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How y 'all doing this evening? We are gathered for what would have been our last class, but I have been urged by a few to make this two parts. And so tonight will still be the official last class of the semester, but next Thursday I am going to do a special class on my particular understanding of Revelation, which I will not have the time to seek to prove tonight because I'm going to be going over the various perspectives.
And generally I don't, in these classes, really try to put forward my own ideas or my own positions. Generally I just give a broad overview of the various positions. But Revelation is one of those things, one of those books that certainly causes a lot of interest and folks want to know.
And honestly, in my many years being here as the pastor, I've never preached on the book of Revelation. I've never really taught on it, except one time I did a very, very short series on the seven churches of Revelation, but that was it.
And that was, you know, it was only a few months of looking at those passages. So I've never, the only time I've ever taught on Revelation is I was invited to a conference and the conference was four perspectives on Revelation.
So they had four pastors come, four, well not even four pastors, it was basically four scholars come because it wasn't, not all of us were pastors, but it was four of us came and each gave a particular viewpoint on how to understand Revelation.
And I gave my position and posted it and immediately started getting responses because a lot of people never heard of it, had never heard of the position that I teach. And so that's what we'll do next week.
I'll be alluding to some things tonight, but next week we will have the real lecture on that. May not be an hour and a half. I don't know. I don't know what next week will look like. It may be a little shorter because it's just my lecture on why I take the position that I take, but it won't be an official class.
So if you do miss it, it won't affect your grade at all. It's not necessary, but if you do want to come, we'll start 6 .30 next week and we'll have that as an additional class. Also I'm looking at having a seminar class sometime between now and the end of the year.
That will be a class on a Saturday. It will probably be 9 to 3, maybe 9 to 4 depending on what subject matter we choose to go over. That will be a certificate class. You will be able to earn a certificate for that class.
It's based on something our seminary used to do, the seminary I attended. We had a lot of people who came from out of town and they couldn't always come to the eight-week sessions, so they would cram everything into one day and then you had like two months to do independent research to finalize that class.
So it's not part of the eight core classes that we have to receive your diploma in this week. You know, it's a two-year program for one year, for the next year, and you receive your diploma. It's not part of that, but it basically is like an extra credit.
The subject that we're looking at is the textual variation in the history of the New Testament text. That's the subject I'm considering, but if you have something else that you would like me to consider, let me know and I will let you guys know what day that will be.
We'll probably start at 9, go to 11, have lunch together, like go out to lunch and then come back and maybe do like 12 .30 to 3, something like that. So it'll be a long day of study, but it will be a fruitful day, I'm sure.
And then we'll come back in January to start our next semester. Next semester is Survey of Biblical Doctrines. We've done the Survey of the Old Testament, we've done the Survey of the New Testament, so you will have a new book to purchase in the new semester, and I'm still trying to determine what book will be best, I'm thinking possibly Concise Theology by J. I. Packer or the shorter version of, I think there's a shorter version of Grudem's Systematic, because Grudem's Systematic Theology is pretty long, but isn't there a shorter one?
So that may be the one we do, I'm still trying to decide which one I want to use as the textbook. So I'll let you know closer to time, we certainly have plenty of time before now and then to get it. You guys ready to dive into Revelation?
Alright, when you walked in tonight, you were given three handouts, ordinarily the handouts are secondary to my lecture, you didn't get it? They're right over there, sorry. Ordinarily the handouts are secondary to my lecture, tonight they are the lecture.
You will have the same notes that I have. The first note, the first page, Perspectives on Revelation and the Millennium, this is a handout that I actually created myself for this class. The second page should be Four Views of the End Times, that is printed out of the Rose Book of Charts, the one that you and I were just referring to, John.
So if you have the Rose Book of Charts and you want to use that, you can actually open the book and see it better because this is a condensed, smaller version of that. And then the last page is taken out of the other book of charts that I mentioned that I was using.
No, I'm sorry, this is also from Rose as well. So both of these are from the Rose Book, excuse me, I was wrong. So there is your handouts for the evening. So let's begin by simply addressing what type of literature we are looking at when we look at the book of Revelation.
If you have your Bible, turn your Bible to Revelation chapter 1, notice what it says. The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants, the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant, John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and keep what is written in it, for the time is near. All right. The word revelation is the Greek word apokalipsis.
It's where we get the word apocalypse, and it simply means a revealing of something. Generally, when we think of apocalypse, what do we think? Zombies? Well, you're not wrong, but the end of the world.
If you watch an apocalyptic film, there was a few years ago where there were a lot of apocalyptic films, 2012. Everybody thought because of the Mayan calendar, the world was going to end in 2012, and what I realized recently was it was actually just off by eight years.
It's really 2020. All the crazy stuff that's going on this year. But no, everybody remember that, the movie 2012, and it was based on the idea that the world was going to end in 2012, and then you go back 12 years before that, and it was the Y2K.
Everybody thought something was going to happen when the year 2000 came. There were all these people who were collecting food and setting up bunkers and preparing themselves for the Y2K problem, which never really amounted to anything.
Back in 1984, there was a man who wrote a book entitled, excuse me, back in 1988, there was a book published, 88 Reasons Why Jesus Will Return in 1988. That book is still available, but it's certainly not as popular as it was before 1988 because Jesus did not return.
And so, the concept of the apocalypse, the concept of end times has certainly been a popular subject both in Christian circles and outside of Christian circles. It seems as if people have a natural, somewhat instinctive understanding that all of this is going to end one day.
Somehow, someway, everything is eventually going to come to an end. And what we find is that there are people in the church particularly who get so fascinated with the apocalypse, so fascinated with the end times, that they make everything in their theology based on their understanding of the end.
And their whole worldview becomes focused on the end. And they begin to read the daily newspaper with Bible verses in mind. And they start to say, oh, well, Russia, that's Gog, and Iran is Magog, or whatever.
You know, I don't keep up with it enough to know what they're saying today, but it's always some kind of reading the news in view of Scripture and trying to find something that is to take place. Back in the 1940s, the Jewish people returned to Israel.
That became a huge moment in the minds of many people because they believed that was the turning point of history where God was going to bring his people back and begin the end. They thought that, what was it, 47?
Was that the year? They thought 1947 was the beginning of the ending, and so there was the apocalypse. But you go back 100 years before that, the mid -1800s, and you have the rise of dispensational thinking and the rise of what were known as the Adventist movements.
Adventist means the arrival. And every year we celebrate Advent in church, Christmas time, we celebrate Advent. It's about the first arrival of Christ. But the Adventist movements were about the second coming, the second arrival of Christ.
And so we have the Seventh-day Adventists, and we have the Jehovah Witnesses, which were actually an Adventist movement. It was based on some form of understanding of the apocalypse. And I would say this.
I would say a lot of the bad theology that arises out of Seventh-day Adventists, a lot of the bad theology that arises out of Jehovah Witnesses is based on a faulty eschatology. Oh, and by the way, let's do a little, just very quickly, just in case you are not familiar with this word.
The word eschatology is the word for the study of last things, or more simply put, the study of the end times. The eschaton means the last things, and from a biblical perspective, one could argue that we have been in the eschaton since Jesus Christ ascended into heaven.
Because since Jesus Christ ascended into heaven, what have we been awaiting? His return. Therefore, we are in the eschaton. And when people ask, pastor, are we in the end times? Yep. And we have been for 2 ,000 years.
Now that's not usually the answer they want. They want to know if it's going to happen in the next 2 weeks, not in the next 200 years or the next 2 ,000 years. When people ask, are we in the end times?
They want to know if some, like for instance, a few weeks ago, there was some peace deal that was signed between Israel, and there was the idea that Trump was being used by God to bring peace, and that peace would usher in the end times.
Again, reading the newspaper with one hand and the Bible with the other hand, and trying to interpret the Bible through the lens. And the thing is, we are not the first generation to do that. Every generation fancies themselves as the last.
Every generation figures, well, not going to get any better than this. They figure, this is the end, right? I'm at the last part. And I think part of the reason for that thinking is we all have a personal eschatology, because all of us have a last day coming.
When I teach eschatology, the first thing I teach, the first class, in fact, we'll be doing this on our Wednesday night, whenever we get through this. We're in ecclesiology now, but the next lesson series is eschatology, and the first class we do is the class on death.
Because death is the eschatology that everybody has to look forward to. And whether or not Jesus returns in my lifetime doesn't change the fact that my life's going to end. Am I in the end times? Yes.
Fifty years from now, I probably won't be here anymore. A hundred years from now, none of us will be. So we're all in our end time. And that's why I said, I think that's part of the reason why it becomes so fascinating for people.
They know their end is a coming, so they just figure, we'll take it all with us. And maybe I'm being a little facetious there, but the idea is, well, my end's coming, it must be the end of all things.
We tend to look very myopically at the world, and we tend to see the world through our lens. So, when we talk about the end times, certainly Revelation comes to our mind, because Revelation discusses the subject of the end, but Revelation is not a book that is altogether easy to interpret.
The people who say Revelation is easy to interpret tend to take very simplistic views, which are often easily proven false. Revelation is apocalyptic literature. It is written in the same vein as Ezekiel, and the latter half of Daniel, neither of which any sane person would say are easy reading.
I mean, genuinely, read Ezekiel, go home, spend the evening doing your devotions in Ezekiel, and it's not that easy. The latter half of Daniel, not that easy. The first half of Daniel is narrative, the second half is apocalyptic, therefore it's not easy.
And so, when we talk about Revelation, we have to understand that we're diving into a book. This book was not universally accepted by the church immediately. In fact, if you remember a few weeks ago when I talked about, actually at the beginning of this class, we talked about canon and how the canon was recognized, and we said that there were certain books that were not universally accepted.
One was Hebrews because of the question of authorship, but what was the other one? Revelation. I mean, when you've got ten-headed dragons and all of these things that are going on, it arises many questions, vials of judgment and seals and trumpets.
It's quite difficult. But thankfully, it was accepted and it was rather recognized, and part of the reason why is because of the author. Who does it say is the author? But it doesn't tell us which John.
Verse 1 tells us these things were given to his servant John, but it doesn't tell us specifically which John. History does, but not the text, so we do have to rely a little bit on extra-biblical history.
Extra-biblical history tells us that it was almost certainly John the brother of James, the disciple of Jesus, the same one who wrote the Gospel of John, the same one who wrote the three epistles of John.
Did you all do your homework? Did you all do your reading? This was argued in the reading, right? Most likely based on the external evidence. There is some internal evidence to suggest John did not write it.
For instance, it does have a different pattern than does his other writings, and so that's some of the internal evidence that he didn't write it. However, as you read, hopefully in your reading, it doesn't preclude him as the author, and I think that part of the reason why it's written differently is it's a different genre of literature.
This is apocalyptic literature. It's not going to be the same as a gospel or an epistle. It's going to come much differently. When we come to Revelation, we need to understand that there are at least four perspectives for interpreting Revelation, and we're going to go through those four perspectives.
If you have your handout, this is the first sheet. I'll just read it as I wrote it. This subject deals with how we begin the process of interpreting the content of Revelation. Before we can understand what it means, we have to use the proper hermeneutical lenses.
Each of these perspectives looks at Revelation differently, and thus the interpretations of the content varies greatly from one perspective to another. When I say hermeneutical lenses, how many of you took a survey of the Bible Study Methods?
Do you guys remember what I mentioned about hermeneutical lenses? Basically, that means the context that you're looking from. If I put on a pair of red glasses, everything in here that is red would turn white because it would change the way that my eyes see what's in front of me.
Rose-tinted glasses tend to take things that are red and make them white. When we read Revelation, we're going to be reading from one of four perspectives. Here are the perspectives, and I'm going to explain each one, but I'll give you the overview very quickly.
The first is called Preterism. This says, basically, that most of the content of Revelation was fulfilled during the lifetime of the original audience prior to and during the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.
Preterism says that most or all of Revelation has already been fulfilled, and it was fulfilled in the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. Now, you'll notice there's an asterisk next to the word Preterism that takes you down to where I put a distinction should be made between full Preterism and partial Preterism.
Full Preterism, sometimes called hyper-Preterism or consistent Preterism, argues that all of the prophecies regarding Jesus' second coming and resurrection of the dead were fulfilled in the first century.
Full Preterism, I believe, is heretical. Here's why. Full Preterism, essentially, makes everything promised already fulfilled, and therefore, the consistent historic view of the church would be made void, because the consistent historic view of the church is that we still look forward to Christ's second coming.
And full Preterism would say, no, he's already returned. He returned in AD 70 in judgment, everything's over. Okay, so full Preterism, I do not accept. I think that it is, it violates, that one of the earliest creeds of the church is the Apostles' Creed.
And by the way, when you talk about end-time stuff, if you notice the earliest creeds of the church, they don't give us perspectives on the end time, they just say Jesus is returning to judge the living and the dead, that's the consistent testimony.
So as long as someone believes that, they are within the bounds of orthodoxy, that Jesus will return, he will judge the living and the dead, and those who are saved will go to heaven, those who don't will go to hell, but that's the consistent testimony of Christian history.
If you look at full Preterism, it denies that, therefore, I would say it is heretical. But partial Preterism, which I actually have dubbed orthodox Preterism, remember orthodox meaning straight theology or straight teaching, orthodox Preterism argues that many, if not most of the prophecies of Revelation were fulfilled in the first century, but we still have some yet to come.
That is very orthodox, and that will be the position I will be defending next week, just so you know. My position is what I dub orthodox Preterism, not, I hate to call it partial, so I just call it orthodox, because it's the only view that would be consistent with the orthodox understanding of the end.
But there are three other views. So Preterism says everything or most of Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70. Real quick, before we even go to the next thing, what would be required for that to be true?
What major thing would be required for Preterism to be true? Revelation would have to be written before AD 70. I believe it was. It was? Absolutely. This is where I disagree with your textbook a lot. It makes no sense.
Yeah, well, the textbook's wrong. I told you to get that book so that I could prove it wrong. Let me explain this to you, though, on that. This textbook, when it comes to end times view, is very different than what I teach.
But that's part of the reason why I had you get it. Because I am not simply trying to force feed you my position. I want you to have to deal with this on your own. This position that is in this textbook is the Futurist position, which we haven't gotten to yet.
But that is the position argued in your textbook. I was a Futurist for a very long time. So I understand that position. It is the position held by most Baptists because of the Scofield influence of the Scofield Reference Bible, which was very influential.
And I'll get to that when we get to Dispensationalism. But the point of the matter is, I take the Preterist position. The book will say I'm wrong. I will say the book's wrong. And seeing as I'm the living person here, I'll get to make my point.
But I am giving you the ability. If you want to write a really great paper, prove me wrong. I always say, if you want to write a really great paper, take a position that I don't agree with and make me believe it.
All right, but let's move on. Preterism, we understand that. Historicism says that most of the content of Revelation is being fulfilled gradually throughout Church history and is still being fulfilled today.
This would be the position of the Reformers because the Reformers saw the Pope as the embodiment of the beast, the Antichrist. So they saw not that Revelation was being fulfilled in the first century, but that it was being consistently and constantly fulfilled throughout history.
And I will say this, I'm sympathetic to that position. I can see how someone could arrive at that conclusion. In fact, I think Preterism and Historicism can have some overlap, and next week I'll explain why I think that's the case.
But Preterism says it was mostly fulfilled in 80 -70. Historicism says it's being fulfilled in history still, even to today. Idealism, most of the content of Revelation is meant to be understood as symbolically or allegorically portraying the ongoing cosmic conflict of the spiritual realm.
Idealism is allegorical interpretation. Now, ordinarily I would say we should shy away from allegory as far as interpretation, but when you look at apocalyptic literature, it's impossible not to see some allegory, not to see some picture language.
And so I do understand the idealist, how people would get there. However, it becomes almost an irrelevant thing. If this is just about the ongoing conflict of good and evil, it's almost as if, well, yeah, okay, but what's it teaching us specifically?
And you almost don't get the specifics, you just get this giant allegory that there are really no specific issues. So I would say idealism is the least compelling to me, even though I do believe there are allegories that have to be interpreted.
For instance, Revelation 13 says a beast rises up out of the sea, right? And then it talks about the false prophet who points people to worship the beast and those who don't receive the sign of the beast on their hands and their foreheads are condemned, right?
You remember Revelation 13. I mean, certainly, even the hardcore literalists don't believe that Godzilla is going to come crawling out of the ocean. They believe that's referencing a man, right? I mean, have you ever heard anyone interpret that as a literal monster?
No, it's always a man, right? So everybody's sort of taking the approach. And that's why when somebody says, I'm an absolute literalist on Revelation, I say, no, you're really not. Because here's what they'll say, I'm an absolute literalist.
See right here where it talks about these giant locusts? Those are Apache helicopters. And I'm like, well, you just quit being a literalist. As soon as you start talking about Apache helicopters for the locusts, it's not literal anymore.
You are now interpreting it by way of the allegory. So anybody who tells you they are an absolute literalist when it comes to Revelation, just listen to them long enough and they will prove themselves not true.
So the three positions, preterism, historicism, idealism, and then finally, and fourthly, the one most people are acquainted with and the one that your book supports is futurism. Futurism says that most of the content of Revelation is yet to be fulfilled.
In your textbook, I want to see here, where was it, in the textbook it mentions basically this. Oh yeah, here it is. A simple key to understanding the book of Revelation, simple, throw that word away, is not, sorry, a simple key to understanding the book of Revelation is to realize that it is divided into three main parts.
Listen, chapter one describes a vision in which John saw Christ robed as a judge standing in the midst of the seven churches. Chapters two and three have to do with the church age in which we now live.
The remaining 19 chapters have to do with future events following the close of the church age. That is a major assumption. That is an absolute assumption. This is where I would absolutely disagree with your textbook because in one paragraph he just eliminated preterism, he just eliminated idealism and historicism.
He said this is the way you should interpret it. Chapter one is John and Christ, chapters two and three is the church age, and then chapter four and after is what is still yet to come. That's the assumption.
And that assumption I think is very dangerous because you are not even allowing for the idea that any of those things have been fulfilled already. So let's use our board for a moment, if we may. John, you may have a little trouble, I'll try to keep it.
One day I'll get this, you know, if any of you guys who are really good with a saw ever want to come in and lower this two inches, I'll be happy. We're supposed to do it and I just can't, I've never gotten around to it.
And so I always, you know, just throwing that out there. So let's talk kind of in pictures for a moment. We know from a historical perspective Christ lived, died in the first part of what we would call now the first century.
And so I know this date is not accurate, but we'll just put 33 A .D. for the cross. Simple enough. We don't know exactly the actual year, but 33 A .D. makes it simple enough. From there until 70 A .D. we have, I'll just put a star here for the destruction of Jerusalem.
Major event in history. What's interesting is when I was a dispensationalist, by the way, I went to a dispensational school. I was taught dispensationalism. Everybody I knew was a dispensationalist. I didn't know anybody who didn't believe this.
I never once heard about anything about what happened in 8070. Nobody ever mentioned it because the dispensational view is that God has two people, Israel and the church, and never the twain shall meet.
These two are two distinct people. In fact, your textbook says it. Does it not say that God has an earthly people and he has a heavenly people? The heavenly people is the church and the earthly people is, again, I take great issue with your textbook.
I'm glad you read it because I take major issue with that to say that we are God's heavenly people and the Jews are God's earthly people. That is not how it works. You read Ephesians 2, the latter part, where it talks about breaking down that wall, that dividing line between Jew and Gentile.
It just ain't true. But here's why people believe it. John Nelson Darby created this system that's typically referred to now as dispensationalism. Dispensationalism was popularized in the notes of the Schofield Reference Bible, which was massively influential.
These charts were in the Schofield Reference Bible and the charts were based on the idea that the church is a parenthesis in God's plan. God's plan was for the Jews. They failed when the Messiah came.
So the backup, and they don't say, they don't use this language, I have to be careful, I want to be fair to my, those who I disagree with. But essentially the parenthesis in the plan of God was the church and one day that parenthesis will end.
It will end with a rapture and thereby starting up again God's plan for the Jews. Which will usher in the seven year tribulation, which will then usher in a millennium on the earth. And therefore the church is not the focus of God's plan, it's a parenthesis in his plan and his actual plan is for the Jewish people.
I don't agree with that at all. I think that, one, I think it does damage to how we understand what the church is, how we understand the purpose of the church in the world, and I just, I don't agree. So why would you mention AD 70 if you're dispensationalist?
Because when I say, what is AD 70, I've said it several times in this class. That was when it ended. That was the end of the old covenant. That was the, I'll tell you, some people don't like this language, but Ken Gentry, who is a tremendous author, he said that was the divorce.
He said that's when the old covenant was made null and void, and the Old Testament does talk about God divorcing Israel, he said, and that's when it happened. Now we can argue language and what that means, but that was when the old covenant ended.
Now let me say this, the old covenant ended here. There was a grace period. This was the grace period, but forever, no more sacrifices. No more sacrifices. It's done. If they build another temple over there and start doing sacrifices again, that does not mean that it started up again, because the temple is gone.
All right. You with me, John? Oh yeah. You got a lot of questions. No, no. I'm good. Okay. All right. So now let's fast forward a bit. Historically, I'm going to jump all the way to the end. We don't know when the end is, but it's pretty far.
So at least to where we are. Let's say this is, well, it's kind of hard to just put the end. Let me say it this way. In regard to revelation, what happens next, depending on whether you are dispensational or not, what happens next would be what's called the rapture, where the church is taken out.
Okay? You've heard that? Huh? Heard it. Heard it. Okay. Then would be a seven-year tribulation, followed by the return of Christ and a thousand years, sometimes referred to as the millennium, or the thousand-year reign of Christ.
So ultimately, that's the... and this, if you just happen to turn over to your second page, don't stay there, because we need to come back to the first page. But if you look at the second page, it explains it in a little bit more detail.
Which one? This one. Sorry. This one. Oh, of these four, this would be the bottom left. Dispensational premillennialism. Okay? And you notice the big thing that comes in this one, the rapture. That it precedes the coming of Christ by seven years.
That the church is taken out. Now, that's based on 1 Thessalonians 4. That's the text that's usually argued for that. But it's also based on an assumption, and that word assumption is going to come up a lot.
Here is the assumption. After Revelation chapter 3, we do not see the word church again. Therefore, the argument is chapter 4 begins the post-church age. So for the dispensationalist, the church age began with the coming of Christ and ends with the rapture.
So again, dispensationalism. This is the church age. Remember we read in the book, what is the church age? That's what Revelation 2 and 3 is about. So you got the church of Smyrna, the church of Thyatira, and Philadelphia, and Pergamum, and Laodicea.
You've got all these churches. Those are representing the church age. And so therefore, the church age ends. I don't believe any of this. By the way, I'm teaching you what I don't believe. But they say that Revelation chapters 2 and 3 are about the church age.
It ends with chapter 4, which begins the seven-year tribulation. So according to the futurist perspective, the vast majority of Revelation, chapter 4, to the end, is all yet to be fulfilled. So does that make sense?
The preterist, it's all mostly been fulfilled. In fact, I would say we're in chapter 19, chapter 20. We're looking for... Well, actually, no, because it's cyclical. That's another thing we need to understand.
Revelation, I do not believe, is meant to be interpreted this way. I believe it's meant to be interpreted this way. By the way, if you're listening to this, you have no idea what I just did. So let me say that again, because some people do listen to this as a lesson.
Most people interpret Revelation as unfolding step by step. But it doesn't unfold that way, at least as far as I understand it. I believe it unfolds in cycles. So it takes you through, and then starts over and cycles through again, and starts over and cycles through again, and starts over and cycles through again.
This is why there are three seven judgments. It's the same thing over and over. You have the seven seals, and then you have the seven vials, or is it the trumpets? Which come after? It's the seals, the trumpets, and the bowls, or the vials, right?
So this is cyclical. Not this comes after this comes after this. They're together. They're overlapping. This is why you get to later in the book and you see Jesus being born. You're like, wait a minute, what?
Why is Jesus born halfway through Revelation? Because it started over. It's telling the narrative story in repetitive cycles. Therefore, when you read it, you don't read it like this. You read it like that.
Is this making sense? Have I totally lost everybody? OK, all right. So that's part and parcel of how a lot of people misunderstand it. The futurist says everything's coming, and it's got to be read this to this to this to this to this.
That's why they get the seven seals, followed by the seven trumpets, followed by the seven bowls. These are all things that are going to happen in the seven-year tribulation. And they get that from counting up the number of months that are mentioned.
All right. So the futurist perspective says that everything is yet to be fulfilled. But the futurist perspective, this is only one example of it. There are various views of futurism. But ultimately, the main distinction is that rapture.
Because if you do turn to your second page, I'll show you this. Turn to your second page. Notice that the two on the left are pre-millennial. The one on the top says there's a second coming of Christ, which begins the millennium.
And the bottom one says there's a rapture, a second coming of Christ, and then the millennium, which leads to the final judgment. Okay. So after you determine where you stand on what perspective you're going to take, are you going to take the preterist perspective?
Are you going to take the historicist perspective? Once you decide that, once you have studied and spent time determining where you are, and you may come out as a futurist. You may say, Pastor, I don't think preterism holds water.
I'm going to be a futurist. Whatever. Okay. This is one of those areas I do think we can disagree in. It'd be all right. But where you come out on that, the next big question is going to be the millennium.
Because Revelation chapter 20, turn there. Revelation chapter 20 becomes the next logical question. Okay. How do you stand on Revelation? Next question. How do you stand on the thousand years? Revelation chapter 20.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit, and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer until the thousand years were ended.
After that, he must be released for a little while. Okay. So therein is the beginning of the millennium. But it goes on. It says,. Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed.
Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and those who had not worshipped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection.
Over such, the second death has no power. But they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle.
Their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. And they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever. All right, let's break down a little bit of this.
In the millennium, according to this passage, Satan will be bound. In the millennium, there will be a form of resurrection. That's mentioned in verse 5. And in the millennium, there will be a time, toward the end, where Satan is released and is able to make war again.
And those whom he has deceived, he will be thrown into the lake of fire. And it says later on that those who have followed him will also join him there. That says that later. In verses 11 to 14. So, this is typically referred to as the millennium.
There are four positions on the millennium. This is your second sheet, but I want you to be on the first sheet, because I want you to look at what I wrote. I say three perspectives, there are actually four, and I'll explain why there's an extra one.
The subject deals with how we understand the thousand-year reign of Christ, mentioned in Revelation 21 -10. Naturally, the perspective one takes on Revelation will have an impact on the way one interprets this passage.
However, there is not a necessary parallel between all the perspectives on Revelation and the perspective on the millennium. For instance, you could be a preterist and still be a premillennialist, but most aren't.
But I know you could be a preterist and definitely be a postmillennialist, and most preterists, like me, are amillennial. So, let's talk about what that means. Pre means before. So, a premillennialist is a person who believes that the millennium is still yet to come.
So, everything in Revelation 20 that we just read, verses 1 -10, is what's going to happen in the future. It's still yet to come. And they usually see it as a literal thousand years. That when Jesus returns...
So, come back to our chart. When Jesus returns here... Now, forget the rapture stuff. Just remember. When Jesus returns here, that begins the thousand-year reign. And at the end of the thousand-year reign, Satan is going to be loosed, and there's going to be one last great final battle.
What is assumed by that? Christ's return will not usher in the eternal state. Think of what I just said. If what I just said is true, Christ will return and he will reign on this earth as it is for a thousand years, and then the eternal state will begin.
So, that's one of the issues I take with premillennialism. It assumes that Christ's coming again is not the culmination of all things, but that his coming again begins a thousand-year period that must happen before the culmination of all things.
Let me tell you what really turned me away from being a premillennialist. Again, this is what I was. When I was in school, that was what I was taught. If you were anything else, you were a heretic. But I remember asking the question, does this mean that there are going to be unsaved people on the earth during the millennium?
The answer is yes, it has to be. Because there's going to be armies that join in the final battle. So, Christ is going to come back and rule from Jerusalem a world that is not truly subject to him. I take great issue with that, that my Savior is going to come back, he's going to place his foot on the Mount of Olives, he's going to walk and sit on the throne of David for a thousand years, and the world will not be subject to him.
I have great issue with that. But that is the major assumption of premillennialism. The other major assumption is the reason for the millennium, and if you've ever heard Dr. John McCarthy, who I love and respect, but totally disagree with on this, he argues that the reason for the millennium is to fulfill all of the promises to Israel that were given in the old covenant, regarding the land and all of these other gifts and promises that were for them, and therefore the purpose of the millennium is to ultimately rectify the promises that he thinks are not fulfilled in Christ.
That again, I think it misunderstands the promises. It misunderstands Christ. But let's add one other thing to that. They also, according to premillennialists, this will be a time when the temple is rebuilt and sacrifices will begin again.
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, they make the argument, I mean, I'll answer as if I think they would answer. They make the argument that as the Old Testament sacrifices look forward to Christ, the new sacrifices will look back to the sacrifice of Christ.
I don't agree with it, but that's the position. But again, this is why I take great issue with the premillennial position. I do not think that it holds water for a lot of things. In fact, I'll show you one thing I think that's pretty, well, I think this is pretty hard to get past.
If you have your Bible, turn back to chapter 19. You've got your Revelation open. Verse 11. Then I saw heaven open, and behold, a white horse, and the one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems. And he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped with blood, and the name of which he is called is the Word of God.
Who is that? Jesus. Absolutely. No doubt. And the armies of heaven arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron.
He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty on his robe and on his thigh. He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses, and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.
And I saw the beasts and the kings of the earth, with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet, who was in his presence, had done the signs by which he had deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image.
These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur, and the rest were slain by the sword that came out of the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.
This passage tells us clearly that the enemies of Christ are destroyed at the end of 19. So my question is, where do the enemies come from in the millennium? If all of his enemies have been put under his feet, if he has destroyed them with the sword that came out of his mouth, again, picturesque language of judgment, then if you read it again sequentially, you get to chapter 20, now you've got a millennium that started, and in the millennium there are those who are deceived and those who are led astray, and those who are, who are these people?
Because the only people left at the end of chapter 19 are saved folks. So, again, reading it like this rather than like this, I think chapter 20 and chapter 19 tell the same story again. It's a cyclical rather than a sequential reading.
I think the proper reading of Revelation 20 is to read Revelation 20 not as something that is to come, but that of something that is now happening. Therefore, I don't even want to use this board, turn it over, you have the ascension of Christ, you have the return of Christ, and you have AD 70, and you have the millennium.
The millennium begins here and takes us to the return of Christ. That's called amillennialism, but I don't like the term amillennialism because what it actually is is realized millennialism or inaugurated millennialism.
What it basically says is this, when the king came, the kingdom began. And we're not looking for the thousand years to come, but we are in the midst of it now. Now, some people take great issue with that and they say, but wait a minute, Satan is not bound right now.
Oh, but is he not? What happened when Jesus sent out the disciples to preach and they came back? Did I not see Satan fall like lightning from heaven at the preaching of the gospel? How is Satan not deceiving the nations anymore?
Because now the nations are hearing and receiving the gospel. The gospel is able to bind and overpower the enemy. Now, is there a time coming where he will be loosened and there will be a season of difficulty?
I think that that is very possible. Therefore, I don't agree with my post-millennial friends. Post-millennialism says that Christ returns at the end of the millennium, but at that point in time, the earth has been subdued by the gospel.
Now, I like that. I really do. I really hope it's true. My brothers, you know, Jeff Durbin, he's a post-millennialist. Doug Wilson is a post-millennialist. I respect these men. I love them. I appreciate their position.
I think, though, that it really is very similar to my position. The only difference is I call them optimistic amillennialists because post-millennialism, the big distinction is they see the world becoming saturated with the gospel prior to the return of Christ.
And I would say I take a different perspective. I take the perspective of the wheat and the tares. The wheat and the tares is Jesus' parable. And a lot of people think that that's about the church. They say, see, the church is always going to have believers and unbelievers in it, and that's the wheat and the tares.
That's not what Jesus said. Jesus interprets that parable, and he says the field is the world, not the church. The field is the world. And the good and the evil will grow together until when? Until the harvest.
By the way, this whole other side that I showed you with all those intermittent things in a thousand years here in a seven-year tribulation, none of that's found in any of Jesus' explanations of the end times.
None of that is expressed by Christ. All of that is found in what I would consider to be a very convoluted understanding of Revelation and Paul, but not Christ. If you take Christ's perspective, the king goes away, and he returns, and he makes his enemies his footstool, and he sets up his kingdom forever.
Right? I mean, take various parables. They all sort of come that way, right? They all sort of, that's the position. And that's the amillennial position. That's the position I take. I think that we are in the millennium now.
I do think that there is going to come a day, possibly even in our own lifetime, where there will be a loosing of Satan and a difficulty which may arise prior to the end. We may have to face it, and we may have to face similar persecutions as the early church did.
But that is still consistent with this because of the millennium, the latter part of it. You look like you want to say something, brother. I'm sorry. I think that he is no longer able to, he cannot overcome the power of the gospel.
And so that's why I said, when I said the chain, I think that the binding of Satan represents the work of the gospel. He cannot overcome that work. What did Jesus say? The gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
And so I think that that is in line with how I'm understanding it. And again, I'm the first one to say, I don't think I understand this completely, and I certainly don't think I have everything figured out.
Most of the people that are willing to say they don't have it figured out fall into the amillennial camp because we know there are questions that we may not be able to answer. But the people who think they got it all figured out tend to fall in the dispensational premillennial camp because they've got an answer for everything.
And oftentimes when you really examine their answers, it's not very convincing. But does that make sense? Okay. He said MacArthur was postmill? No, no, MacArthur is dispensational premill. Yeah, so he would be on your second sheet, he would be bottom left.
And MacArthur will tell you the church and Israel are not the same. And he will say that the church is absolutely to be distinguished from Israel. And this is where I take great issue with him. Turn to your third page and let's finish out this part.
Actually, you know what? Take a three-minute break. The last 20 minutes we'll spend on the last page. See, we didn't even scratch the surface. I'm glad I didn't try to do the why I believe preterism.
I do have an article that I pulled up today, Seven Reasons Tom Schreiner Holds to Amillennialism. Let me just say this about that. If you don't know who Tom Schreiner is, you need to. Tom Schreiner is probably one of the most, well, Tom Schreiner is among contemporary theologians and among contemporary New Testament scholars, one of the guys that I trust a lot.
I mean, he just, he is, and Schreiner, S-C-H-R-E-I-N-E-R, and the article's entitled Seven Reasons Tom Schreiner Tentatively Holds to Amillennialism. And he gives arguments for why he thinks that this is correct, and I tend to agree with them.
And if you read this article, it'll help you better understand the position I was giving. Yes? No, I'm going to email it out. So, S-C-H-R-E-I-N-E-R. It's a little long to publish, and since it's an article that's online, I'll just, I'm going to drop the link on Facebook and send it out in an email.
So, I do recommend you reading it. He does have a full-length commentary on Revelation in the ESV Expository Commentary Series, so that is available, and he would better explain a lot of what I've said.
Turn to your last page in your handout. We're going to go over this as our final thing for the evening. Let me just remind you, as we're going into this last page, even though I've endorsed by saying I hold to preterism and I hold to amillennialism, do not allow me to be the standard-bearer.
Don't even allow Tom Schreiner to be the standard-bearer. Go to the Word of God. Study the Word of God for yourselves. You may come to a different conclusion. You may even teach me, and I'm fine with that.
I am not above correction on this particular issue specifically. We do not, as a church, demand a particular eschatological position when people join. We do demand that people believe certain things about Jesus.
We do demand that people believe certain things about the Bible. We do demand that people believe certain things about the purpose and role of Christians and the church, but we do not have... The only position we demand is that somebody does believe that Christ is going to return.
That's the only part of our statement of faith, that He will return, He will judge the living and the dead, basically the same as the creed that we discussed earlier. All right, so looking back again at the millennial positions, this last sheet makes some very important distinctions.
Dispensational premillennialism is the first column. Historical premillennialism is the second column. Amillennialism is the third column, and postmillennialism is the fourth column. Remember this. If you split it down the middle, everything on the left, when Jesus comes back, that begins the millennium.
Everything on the right, this up until the return of Christ, is when the millennium is happening or will happen. Okay? So, does that make sense? All right. So, what do all four agree on? Will Jesus return physically?
All four of them say yes. The second question, when will Jesus return? Dispensationalists say after a seven-year tribulation, but before the millennium, that's the yo-yo. Well, not the yo-yo. It's Jesus pulls us up, and then seven years later we come back down.
That's the up and down after seven years. Yo-yo. Okay. The historic premillennialism says, imagine this without this, and that's historic premillennialism. There's still a tribulation period, but we're still going to be here for it.
Oftentimes, people are so convinced of premillennialism, they don't even know the other ones are options, and they'll come up to me and they'll say, Pastor, do you think we're going to go through the tribulation?
You don't think so? I don't know. Okay. I wanted to hear why. Okay. So if somebody says, Pastor, are we going to go through the tribulation? I'll say, which one? How about the Christians in China right now who are currently being persecuted for their faith?
That one? Or how about in Iran where they were painting the symbol, the Arabic symbol for the Nazarene on people's houses so that they could be individually persecuted? That one? Which tribulation? See, we tend to look at everything through American eyes, and we say, well, we're not being persecuted, therefore the persecution hasn't begun.
Okay. Years ago, Bobby, you may remember this, there was a church down the road that had a play, and I think we went to it, where it was all about the end times and it was left behind, but it was in a no, not that one.
That one, that was the judgment house. I played the devil. I was in that one to my shame. But I did that for a couple years. No, this was down this way. I just remember them, they beheaded teenagers on stage.
Not for real. They would pretend they had a big guillotine. It was a big silver guillotine, and they would have it drop the blade, and the people who were in the guillotine would stop moving, and their head would like throw a black sheet over it and it would look like their head disappeared.
Yeah, it was pretty graphic. But this was late 90s stuff, early 2000s, when everybody was hot on the tails of Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, and everybody was left behind or worried about getting left behind.
And so this was the big deal, and it was always about, well, are you going to miss the rapture? Are you going to miss the rapture? Remember, that was the big deal. Are you going to miss the rapture? Oh, yeah, he had his own Bible.
What? Yeah. I was teaching a Bible study at First Coast High School back when I worked there, and it was an after-school Bible study. And one of the teachers came in. She was going to sit in while I was teaching.
And this was, man, this was almost 20 years ago. And she came in, and we were talking, and I said, she said, well, you know, the rapture's coming, and we're just going to all be taken away. We don't have to worry about all that, talking about persecution.
And I said, well, that's a relatively recent perspective in church history. The church doesn't always believe that. And she said, what do you mean? There is only one position, this one. Okay. I don't mean to be rude, but that was like she was very serious.
There is only one position, mine. Sorry. Okay, let's get back to the sheet. Will Jesus return? When will Jesus return? Historic premillennialism says before the millennium. Amillennialists, anytime. That's the one great thing about amillennialism, is I ain't reading the newspaper wondering when Jesus is going to come back.
He'd come back tomorrow. I'd be like, okay. The postmillennialists says after the millennium, and again, it's the amillennialists would basically say the same thing, because we'd say the millennium would end with his return.
All right. Do the rapture and the second coming of Christ occur at the same time? According to dispensationalists, the answer is no. They say the rapture happens before. And again, remember the picture of the rapture.
If you read Tim LaHaye, what is it? Everybody disappears. All the believers disappear. Their clothes don't, because somehow the... So it was like a moment, and it was planes falling out of the air, because apparently all the pilots were saved.
You all know what I'm talking about, right? Nicolas Cage made a version of this movie. No, he... Put the bunny back in the... No. Okay. All right. I'm getting a little silly now. No, but the reality is the view of the Left Behind series was, yes, we're going to disappear, because Christ will take us up like a thief in the night.
The book Thief in the Night. There's a book about it, and it's about that. All right. Will there be a great tribulation? All right. Notice this is important, because it goes along with what I just said.
Dispensationalists say yes. Historic premillennialists say yes. What do amillennialists say? Yes. The tribulation occurs anytime Christians are persecuted or wars or disasters occur. Is there a tribulation going on right now?
Yes. If I walked you through Reformation history, just today on my podcast, I told the story of Michael Sattler. Michael Sattler was one of the early amillennial or, excuse me, early Anabaptists. He was persecuted.
He was condemned. If I remember correctly, they cut out his tongue, gouged out his eyes, put him on the fire to be burned, and they put gunpowder around his neck so that when the fire reached here, it would blow the top of his head off.
The level of persecution. Anabaptist. His wife, just a few days later, was drowned. So to express tribulation, I think, you know, anyway. Postmillennialists believe tribulation is either the first century Jewish-Roman war, and I do agree, I tend to agree that that's what Revelation is talking about when it talks about tribulation, and that will be my argument next week, or the ongoing conflict between good and evil prior to the millennium.
See, the difference between amillennialists and postmillennialists on this issue is we believe tribulation will continue to the end and maybe even increase closer to the end where the postmillennialists would say it will eventually be overcome.
Yes? No, it's kind of a, it depends on who you ask, who you talk to, but some of them believe it's begun, sort of like the amillennial view, and that's why I say they just have an optimistic view, but some believe there's a golden age that's coming.
Think about how, you know, a lot of the Puritans were postmillennial, and they saw America as the shining city on the hill. This was going to be the place where there was going to be this Christianized world, right?
And it was going to spread all over the world. Then, of course, the 20th century happens and the Great Depression, World War after World War, nuclear bomb hits and people quit being postmillennial. I mean, I'm serious.
It really shakes you when, think of why the Adventist movements began in the 1800s. Optimism. Christ is coming. We are in a, you know, we're moving forward. And then we wipe two cities off the map with the press of a button, and people say maybe there's more persecution to come.
More people died for their faith in Christ in the 20th century than had died in any previous century. You can look that up. That's a recognized fact. Look, I think Voice of the Martyrs will express that.
More Christians died for their faith in the 1900s than any previous century. That puts the question mark on things are getting better. All right. Will Christians suffer during the Tribulation? All right.
We're out of time, but let me get through these quickly. Will Christians suffer during the Tribulation? Christians are either raptured before the Tribulation or three and a half years into the Tribulation.
That's the pre-Trib, mid-Trib. But if you press them, they will say, yeah, but people are getting saved during this time. And so the people who are getting saved will be persecuted. So even they would say, if there is a rapture, they're still saved, folks.
And so kind of a, you know, six of one type situation. Yes, Christians will suffer. Historic premillennialism, yes, they're going to go through the Tribulation. Amillennialism says, yes, Christians will suffer and endure persecution until Jesus returns.
Persecution will increase in the end. As I've said, I think that's a possibility. Postmillennialism, yes, Christians are called to share the Gospel and Tribulation will occur when the Gospel is opposed.
That's, I would agree with that. I wouldn't disagree with that. Will there be a thousand year millennium? According to the dispensationalist, yes. According to the historic premillennialist, yes. According to the amillennialist, no, it's not literal.
It refers to the reign of Christ in the hearts of his believers. That's the position I would take. Some people believe there is also a reign of Christ in heaven now. That's the Sam Storm's position, if you're interested in looking up him.
The millennium refers to something happening in the spiritual realm. Christ is reigning now. But I kind of take more of the Christ is reigning in our hearts. You know, the king is on his throne. We are his subjects now.
And then, of course, the postmillennialist says the millennium period of peace is when the Gospel reaches all the people of the world. Who is saved? Ah, this one we all agree. Christians only. Next to the last one is the modern state of Israel relevant?
Notice there's only one that says yes. Historic premillennialism says no. Amillennialism, and this is where I really get people angry with me. And I've had people very upset, even in our own church. Not to the point of wanting to leave or anything.
But when they say, Pastor, aren't you so concerned about the nation of Israel? No. The modern state of Israel is not the Israel of God. The Israel of God is the church. If you can't say that, I understand.
Because it took a while for me to be able to just belt that out. Because everybody always wants me to affirm everything Israel does. I can't. Well, if you don't do that, you're violating Genesis 12. Because Genesis 12 says, if you bless him, you will be blessed.
Him who you curse will be cursed. Is that referring to Netanyahu? And the Jewish people who are basically an ungodly people? Now, I appreciate the Jewish people as our only ally in the Middle East. Well, one of our, huh?
Well, but for a while. And I would say one of our only reliable ones. I appreciate that. But the idea that they represent a spiritual fixture in the world. I don't necessarily agree. All right. Here's the big deal.
This last one, and we'll close with prayer. When was this view most held? Dispensational premillennialism became popular about 1860. It is less than 200 years old. The view that MacArthur holds, the view that is most popular among Baptists.
And one thing I have learned by my Baptist brethren, whom I love. And I can say this because, I mean, I went to a Baptist seminary. I feel like I are one, you know, in one sense. Most of them do not know much about church history.
But that is pretty true of Christians in general. And when you say it's less than 200 years old, well, 200 years is a long time. Not really. There's houses in Europe that are a lot older than your position on eschatology.
Remember this. Europeans and Americans differ on this one major thing. Europeans think 100 miles is a long way. And Americans think 100 years is a long time. All right. So when was the view most held?
Historic premillennialism is, I will say this. The historic premillennial view is the earliest view. There are inklings of this going back to the early church fathers. So that would be the most historical view.
Even though I don't think it's right, I do have to be honest and say it has historic pedigree. The amillennial view popularized after the 400s. And continues to today. I think it's the right view, of course, but yeah.
Postmillennial view about 100 years before and is less popular today. All right. Was that helpful? Was it also a lot to digest? Well, I want to thank you all for taking this course. I hope it has been a blessing to you.
If you are interested in hearing more about preterism, come back next week, and I'll give you an earful of that. But again, if you decide you would take a different position, write about it. I would love to hear a really good interaction on this.
Let's pray. Father, thank you for this time and the word. Lord, may it be that our study would not just be to fill the recesses of our mind, but Lord, would be to strengthen us in spirit that we may walk closer to Christ and that we may stand for him more firmly in this world.
And it's in his name we pray. Amen.