July 9, 2015 ISI Radio Show with Nancy Almodovar on her book “Prayers of Comfort: Daily Petitions from the Heidelberg Catechism”

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Thursday

on this ninth day of July 2015 and I am very happy to welcome back

onto Iron Sharpens Iron a guest who at least several times

was on Iron Sharpens Iron in the old days between 2006 and 2011,

not that long ago but it was the old days for Iron Sharpens Iron and I'm so glad that this is

the first time that she is on the new version of Iron Sharpens Iron

and Nancy L. Madovar who is an author, a Christian counselor and the wife of an

ordained minister and we are going to be discussing her new book today, Prayers of Comfort,

Daily Petitions from the Heidelberg Catechism and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back

to Iron Sharpens Iron and welcome you for the first time to the all -new Iron Sharpens Iron, Nancy L. Madovar.

Hi Chris, I'm so glad you're back on the air and having

time with me today.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it and as you know once in a while I feel compelled to have a

female voice on Iron Sharpens Iron otherwise the FCC might shut me down.

No, you are not a token female speaker on my program.

You are a very gifted and wise and learned young woman

and I'm always impressed with what the Lord brings to your heart to put

down in writing and I'm very impressed with this new book of yours,

Prayers of Comfort, Daily Petitions from the Heidelberg Catechism.

Before we even go into the book, tell us something about yourself, our listeners

who may be discovering you for the first time.

I know that you ran for a number of years a women's counseling ministry

called Silent Cry Ministries.

Perhaps you could tell us something about that and also your theological journey

that you've experienced over the years out of the Word of Faith movement into the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace,

also known as Reformed Theology and obviously the abbreviated version because that's not the topic

today.

Right, well as you know I grew up in a Pentecostal home.

My dad was the first one to introduce me

to, that was

my first introduction to Reformed Theology, but I didn't pay

attention.

Early 2000s, around 2003 was when

the Scriptures

and I believe you put it

once this way, two, three years we were.

Les Sable

Reformed

Bible Church which is a.

Congregation in I guess central Suffolk, Long Island on the south shore and it's a part of

the United Reformed Church of North America denomination.

Correct, and when you're to Idaho,.

I've been

voiced

in Van Hoogen.

We've been out here, we did and when we were

counseling for women in crisis and

counsel them.

Since I've

been here in

Idaho, I'm out here, our New York

friends in Mississippi given us new friends and family

out here and continue to grow.

In grace and in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Well please, I don't know how often you still stay in touch with Pastor Drew

Enegenberg over at West Sable Reformed Bible Church, but please send him my regards, let him know that we're

back on the air with Iron Sharpens Iron and that I'd love to have him back as a guest and I'd also like to extend

that invitation to your new pastor at some point.

Oh I will do that, I will do that.

And being in the Dutch Reformed tradition,

you folks utilize the three forms of unity as they are known, which

are the confessions and catechisms of the Dutch Reformed

branch of the Reformation.

We have the Heidelberg Catechism, the Canons of Dort, and the Belgic Confession are part of the three forms of unity, and

the Heidelberg Catechism is the source from which you drew your book,

the Prayers of Comfort.

Now tell us how on earth this came about.

Were you trying to lull yourself into a coma by reading the Heidelberg Catechism?

No, no, actually...

I'm just kidding by the way, I'm not...

I know, sometimes people think theology is boring,.

But if you realize it's just talking about God and the things of God, how can that ever be boring?

But when we were with the

three forms of unity in the Dutch Reformed

tradition, Sunday nights are the teaching, the pastors go

through the catechism with the congregation each week, I

believe they have to do it once every week, and so we began to learn more

and more, which are simply questions and answers.

So when Bobby and I moved out here, because he was now retired,

we had more time at night and we began to go through

evening family worship after dinner.

As we were

reading it and

then reading the answers,

looking at the scriptures,

we were praying afterwards, and I noticed whether it was Bobby,

the answer to the question, help

those who are

coming out of

Arminianism

to pray,

those very answers, asking the Lord

to

make

incorporating

what they

did at

night,

and I just thought this might be another useful...

And the doctrines of grace,

because they're trying.

To...

And I just want to take this time before I forget, since

they are a sponsor of Iron Sharpens Iron, Solid Ground Christian Books

has in stock for you the three forms of unity, books about the three

forms of unity and the Heidelberg Catechism specifically, and they also, I don't even know if

you're aware of the existence of this Nancy, but there is a Heidelberg Catechism for

Reformed Baptists, just like the 1689 London Baptist Confession is

really the Westminster for Baptists.

It's almost identical with some differences.

There is a catechism called an Orthodox Catechism, the particular Baptist

version of the Heidelberg Catechism by Hercules Collins, and you can get that and

other books at solid -ground -books .com.

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So what specifically in the Heidelberg Catechism motivates

you not only to pray, but to receive comfort from these prayers?

I think for

me, those two days deal with God as Creator,

His world, His universe, and of His children, His church.

For me, when Bobby was diagnosed with prostate

cancer, who encouraged me to get my head into Lord's Day

9 and 10, and also 13, these deal with God's providence.

And when I came to realize, in studying it and reading the Scriptures, that

every single thing that crosses the path of the believer is

ordained by God for their good, whether it's cancer,

whether it's those physical struggles, or financial struggles, that

God had ordained them to

comfort specifically during the time of trial.

I know everyone, but for me,

it was Lord's

Day

10.

Whether it's green leaf or brown leaf, whether it's

fruitful, all these things,

you can find no greater

comfort to make us more like Christ.

And by the way, I want to mention my email address.

If you have questions for Nancy, this is a live program, so the email address to send

your questions is chrisanzen at gmail .com, c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n

-z -e -n at gmail .com.

So the Reformed faith is really the faith and the

systematic theology innate to it that really,

more than any other branch, if you will, of Christendom, really

conveys that notion the clearest, that God is in control of every

single thing, and if he loves his children, then therefore, no matter what happens

to his children, comes from his hand, and yet, even if it causes us misery temporarily

on this earth, it is really meant to be a precious gift in some way to us that we may never

really understand on this earth, but we can really grasp onto that and hold

steadfast to it, that it is a promise, and I've quoted Romans 8 .28 many times on

this broadcast, but all things really do work together for the good for those who love

God and are the called according to his purpose, and that's not a promise for

everybody, though, is it?

No, that's a promise to the called.

It's a promise to those who have, as the Reformer said,

the empty hand of faith, not by anything we've done, not even by our faith,

since that, too, is a gift from God, but it's, he works it out for good for his

children, for those he has called, and that's where the comfort lies,

that he, as the Heidelberg emphasizes a lot, it's by his

fatherly hand, and that denotes love

and sustenance.

When you talk of your father, you know, protector and supplier,

that's who God is for the believer, so no matter what we go through in life

comes from knowing it all comes from our Heavenly Father,

nothing more comforting in this world than to be able to call God Almighty my

Heavenly Father.

Amen, and it's still a mystery to me, and I believe it always will be a mystery to me, how

anyone who professes the name of Christ, who believes they are a Christian, and yet

seeks comfort in thinking that God was not in control of

horrible occurrences in their lives, because what other conclusion would you have, that Satan was

in control of that, or that God just left this up to chance and haphazardness,

and stood by and passively watched while you went through this misery, that I don't even

understand how people find comfort in that, because what happens is you have a

trial and sorrow and pain and grief and agony that has no

purpose.

Exactly, and to understand that God has a purpose behind, and what I

love is how the Heidelberg gives three of those purposes, one, to be patient in

adversity, two, to be thankful in prosperity, and that the

third is that we understand no matter what happens to

us, we can place our firm trust in God the Father.

So there's that building up our faith to

trust Him even more as we're learning in each trial to trust Him through that.

It's not easy, you know, crying to my pastor when Bobby got

hit with cancer, and he just said, we're here for you, but get your head in Lord's day nine and ten,

because that will carry you through when you understand God has a purpose for

you and Bobby, and in fact one of the elders joked to church

to help us to hold us up, and in that way

the local congregation will

understand when you're in the midst of something, but if you don't have the anchor to hold

on to, you will just get tossed to and fro on every wave

of emotion that hits.

Amen, amen, and some people, especially evangelicals who are

very leery of Roman Catholicism, perhaps they have come out of Roman

Catholicism and they hear catechism, and it just strikes a sour

note with them, it brings back a memory of their being involved in a religion

that they eventually fled from, but all of that catechism is just an

instruction manual with a summary of beliefs that poses questions and answers to help

teach people on the main principles of the faith, correct?

That's all that it is.

Exactly, it's a teaching tool.

Just as you teach your children by song, you

might do it by visuals, to

teach you the basics of the faith.

The Heidelberg begins with, I belong, because of

his life and death, and

it gives the whole gospel in that very first answer.

From there it takes you through our misery,

imputed to everyone, we're all sinners in the sight of God, and it brings us through

our grief, but then it brings us to,

again, and each part I've

been studying on my own at this point, because we live in Idaho,

so I've been looking more at the Incarnation of Christ in the Heidelberg, to study it better, to

know it.

That's what the Heidelberg does, it enables you to

study each of the

systematic way, and the very end

it also

does the Ten Commandments,

but I love how it brings the Lord's Prayer.

We are really expressing gratitude.

You need that grace, because nothing else would cover that other than the blood of Christ.

Amen.

And of course the great confessions and catechisms of the

faith never claim to be on the same par with the scriptures, or

superior to the scriptures, they are only a summary of the scriptures and teaching aids

to help you remember and absorb the scriptures, correct?

Exactly.

Think about the sermons you hear, you would never put those sermons on par

with the scriptures, but your pastor is hopefully exegeting faithfully

what those texts are teaching.

That's what the catechism does, it takes the teachings of scripture and it

breaks it down so we, humans who are frail and

sometimes stubborn or spaghetted or stupid, and it makes it.

Easy for us to understand, so that we get it.

And once again the email address if you have a question for Nancy is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

One of the doctrines that is core to

Reformed theology that sets it apart from other Christian

systematic theologies or Christian doctrines, or those

embraced by professing Christians that Reformed people disagree with, but

one of the core teachings that the Reformed faith embraces is particular redemption,

which is also nicknamed definite atonement and limited atonement, and

substitutionary atonement, which really only fits as a description

when you're speaking about definite atonement, even though Arminians and those who reject the

Reformed faith often today use that term, substitutionary atonement, they really

can't consistently and logically use it.

But this is a part of your prayers of comfort, you have a section

on particular redemption, and why would this give you comfort?

And that is something that the non -Reformed person just cannot fathom and

understand.

They look at this teaching as something horrendous and horrible and depressing and frightening,

and if you could let us know why you would find comfort in it.

There's comfort in knowing you suffered

and paid for.

Growing up in an Arminian church, you...there always seemed to be a few

ways that you could lose your salvation.

One was that Christ's

atonement contained sins, so you'd always have to be up

asking God for forgiveness and rededicating your life and hoping that you

were living a life that was pleasing, but if you sinned and died right after that

sin, you might lose your salvation.

And I remember asking one of the youth pastor at the church I went to back then,

I asked him, how many sins do I need to commit before I lose my salvation?

How many sins have to pile up so high that God can no longer see me

over those sins?

And he just looked at me and he went, no, it's just one sin that'll bring you

back to hell.

And I thought, well, that can't be true, because that'd be a horrible way to live, because I know I sin all the

time.

But specifically

reading through Christ's mind

that he took is

completely satisfied.

There's

no...every living being on the face of planet

Earth, from the time of Adam to the time he returns, then he can't require

that payment again, otherwise he's an unjust to be.

Christ died,

actually paid

by

that law.

We're still going to have to pay something to God for some

sin, a penalty

for condemnation.

Amen.

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And if you've just joined us, we are discussing Prayers of Comfort daily petitions from the Heidelberg

Catechism, the new book by our guest, Nancy Almodovar.

And we were just talking about particular redemption and

the other slogans or nicknames that that has, that doctrine has are

limited atonement and definite atonement and substitutionary atonement.

And one of the things that I found to be most beautiful

about this teaching, which other people find repugnant and

which I even initially found repugnant to a degree, but

when I realized that when Christ was hanging there on Calvary's cross and he was

having the wrath of his Father poured on him and experiencing a torment

that I will never know and no human will ever know,

having his own Father punish him on the cross for my sins,

I knew when I came to embrace this doctrine of particular redemption,

that Jesus Christ was not just hanging there saying, I'm

doing this for a faceless and nameless sea of humanity who may

or may not benefit by this.

He was saying, Chris Arnson, I am purchasing your sins with my blood and

I am definitely going to bring you home one day with me for eternity.

That whole concept made the cross a much more, an infinitely more personal

and precious and glorious thing.

And I was wondering if you could comment on my own.

Personal experience with that.

I always tell people, oh, God

has a truly true and less separate.

And then that statement becomes true because Christ

for you, you were on his heart,

you were there, united while he paid

for your sins.

And there's no greater comfort than knowing that your sins have

been fully paid for.

That your sins from the moment you were conceived in original sin and iniquity

to the moment you die by his life

and his

obedience to the law for us, as well

as his under the law for us and

his justification, which as Romans says, the

resurrection

received.

If you think Christ died for everybody, you're never quite sure.

Well, did I do enough to earn that?

But if you understand that Christ died for his people, for his church,

people of those people of God, then I

know no matter how much I may sin and I will sin,

that's still been covered too.

And why Paul,

he's saying,

no, no, no, you've been justified.

So now live right.

But unless you understand that you have personally been justified before God

and that it is God, there will

never be Jesus

died

and he

was a

propitiator.

Jesus didn't just make men redeemable.

He redeemed them.

Yes.

And

just

briefly, because I don't want the whole program to be on this subject, but particular redemption is referring to

the fact that Christ died for a particular people and definite atonement means

that he definitely atoned when he died.

And limited atonement, people get hung up on that, but limited means that the atonement was provided

for a limited number of people.

And Charles Spurgeon actually said that the Arminians are the ones that really have a limited atonement because

it's limited in its power.

And because it doesn't save everybody that it intended, that Christ intended to save in their scenario.

But we do have a fellow Idahoan.

I don't know if that's how you say it.

Yes.

Okay.

You do.

I would get it right.

Huh?

All right.

We have Debbie in Boise who asks, how would you encourage your non -reformed family

and friends to read and get into the Heidelberg Catechism?

I would introduce it.

Slowly as you're talking about

the thing

that you can recall it.

For example, if someone,

you can then immediately, and you

can, conversation first.

And then if they say, oh wow, that was a great answer.

Where's the tool my church uses to

help teach us?

You might not want to use the term catechism.

Might want to use like

Bible study, something like that.

Sometimes that brings up,

oh no, I don't want any of that.

But maybe saying the teachings of

scriptational

first.

And then maybe give them a copy of it when they're leaving and say, this is the Bible.

Study tool my church uses.

You can have a copy.

Maybe they use it.

Yeah.

Well, the two things that jump out at me in regard to the value of not

only the Heidelberg Catechism or any good solid

doctrinally faithful catechism or confession, is that especially

if you were to present the gospel and the scriptures to new

converts, they don't really know.

Where do I begin with this book that you've given me, this Bible?

Am I supposed to just flip through the pages and stick my finger in it randomly?

How am I going to actually learn and study it appropriately

in a systemized way?

And the catechisms and the confessions are summaries of

the most vital biblical teachings that are salvific

predominantly.

And it helps guide people to know where to start.

And then, of course, it will hopefully, God willing, spawn

the hunger and thirst for people to continue reading more in depth into the

scriptures.

And the other thing is as far as your specific book, as far as a prayer

devotional, I know even with myself, especially if I'm stressed out,

had a long day, or I'm depressed, I don't even know what to say to the Lord when

I go to the throne of grace.

I'm speechless very often and my mind wanders.

And this kind of helps systematize it.

And systematize it, you shouldn't look at that as an ugly word or a less than spirit -filled

concept, but it's just a way to keep your mind focused on.

Important things.

Am I right?

I noticed, because I focus

women of the faith, I notice women in particular like

devotionals.

They want something, they are so busy with family, house, maybe also

work involved in that, children,

a woman and a

mom.

Sometimes they want some.

Over the years, looking at other devotionals aimed

towards women, there's no solid teaching in them.

It's a lot of fluff and there's nothing rock solid to plant your feet

on and be able to say, I can stand today.

In a devotional form, enables a woman to take something

that's quick.

Most of these are two pages, maybe three at most, and it's the question and answers they can

go through.

So that gets the teaching of scripture in their head.

Then they can read the prayer, pray the prayer, and then go the day, or they can go

back to the prayer throughout the day.

Still these teach, because we

have to know what we believe,

believe it.

Otherwise,

our

women who can just grab it and can read.

And if it's a new believer, here's a way, using the daily petitions from the Lord.

Now you can gather your family around the table and say, here's the lesson for tonight, and then let us

pray.

Simplified way of actually learning praying.

Well, we're going to be going to our final break right now.

And if you have any questions, shoot us an email at chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

That's C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

We've got about 15 minutes left.

So if you want Nancy to answer your question, on the air, of

course, you only get about 15 minutes.

So we look forward to hearing from you and your questions for Nancy Almodovar.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen.

Before I return to our guest, Nancy Almodovar, and our discussion on her

new book, Prayers of Comfort, Daily Petitions from the Heidelberg Catechism, I just want to make some

announcements as far as upcoming broadcasts.

Tomorrow, many of you were looking forward to hearing the testimony of

Deborah Antignano, who is a former Jehovah's Witness, and by the

grace and mercy of God, is now a born -again believer and follower of the true Christ of Holy

Scripture, Jesus the God -Man, the second person of the

Blessed Trinity.

And she was going to discuss her conversion to Christianity from the cult

of Jehovah's Witnesses, and we had to reschedule her because

of something that I just asked you to pray about.

She just had a bit of a medical emergency, nothing life -threatening or anything to that nature, but

she had a little bit of a medical emergency that she had to have taken care of, and so I ask of you to

pray for her and pray for her family, and we are going to reschedule her to be on a future

broadcast as soon as we can.

And we were very grateful that Joe Thorne, who is the author of

Experiencing the Trinity, The Grace of God for the People of God, Joe Thorne is a Reformed

Baptist preacher in Illinois, and he also is the

author of Note to Self, The Discipline of Preaching to Yourself.

Tomorrow he is going to be on our program with very little notice, and we are going to be discussing his

book, Experiencing the Trinity.

This Monday, the 13th of July, we've got Walt Chantry.

Walt Chantry, who was one of the pioneers of the Reformed Baptist resurgence in the

United States in the middle of the 20th century, and

Walt Chantry has been a blessing to the church at large, and one of his most well -known books

was Today's Gospel, Authentic or Synthetic, and he is going to be

discussing that book because it is timeless.

There are obviously aberrations and heresies that have crept

into the church that were not dominant when Walt wrote the book back in the 70s, I

believe he wrote it, but it is still very practical and applicable to today's situation, and I look forward

to having one of my heroes of the faith, Walt Chantry, who is actually the former pastor of

Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, where I am currently a member.

And we have Carl Truman.

Many of you know Carl Truman.

He is going to be discussing Martin Luther on July 20th, and last but not least,

I want to remind you that August 31st, we got the word that Dr. Al Moeller of Southern

Seminary will be our guest on this program, and that will be the very first time Dr. Moeller has ever

been on Iron Trepans Iron, and I'm very thrilled that he blessed us with that.

We do have an anonymous listener, Nancy,

in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, how do I

read a devotional such as yours when I am married to a man who is

an unbeliever, and I am trying my best to be submissive to him,

and he is telling me he doesn't want me reading Christian literature or the Bible,

and it has been a struggle in my home, and I'm trying to obey God by being submissive to

him, but at the same time, I want to learn more about God.

I want to join a church that really teaches the truth, and I'm having this very serious

dilemma right now.

How do you respond to that?

That's a very serious question that could be several programs worth of

discussion.

We're not treated so nice.

One of them is Abigail, and Abigail

still did the, even

though her husband hated it, and Peter reminds us

that it's our quietness and piety that God can use to draw the

unbelieving husband.

As a woman, you want to balance that, but

you don't want...

One of the things God wants of His

children is to study the Scriptures so that they can give an answer to

fellowship, because that is one of the

ways and means that God uses to strengthen you in your faith.

It's through hearing the Word of God preached in the fellowship of believers, of

partaking of the Lord's Supper with His people.

Those are the means God uses to strengthen you.

Devotional, use it for yourself first, and then, I don't know if you have children or not,

but maybe if they're young enough, you can sit with them and go through some of the questions with

them, and the answers, and begin to teach them.

And at the same time you're teaching them, it's going to start getting into your heart.

The more you know about the Word of God, and who your

Savior is, who your Heavenly Father is, and how His Holy

Spirit works in you to strengthen you, and bolster you, and

equip you to understand how to

live before God, and

using the prayers, especially the ones that are on true faith and

the salvation that Christ has brought us, using those to understand better who

you are in Christ, but also then to explain it better to your

husband.

Sometimes we're

standing like Christicular atonement, praying for your

husband that perhaps he does belong to the Lord and just hasn't come to that point

in time yet.

You need the fellowship.

I can probably give you a list of solid churches in your area, wherever you

are, but you won't

know what true piety is unless you know the Scriptures.

There's a whole bunch

of false piety.

Yes, and that

is obviously a dilemma that a Christian woman.

Married to an unbelieving spouse is often in, and we know really horrible,

tragic stories of husbands leaving their wives because of their faith, which

always amazes me, especially if when the women come to faith, they become more submissive

and loving wives.

So it's a mystery, but obviously that may not always be the case as well because you have all kinds of

Christians that are disobedient in their lives.

I want to invite that woman.

We have an anonymous group on Facebook.

It's a closed group.

We've had a number of women on Facebook who came to us first.

Their husbands were either unbelievers or staunchly against reform.

It's a closed group for women only.

There are two other men in the group.

Both are ministers of God.

My husband, the other one, is Paul Murphy

from Augusta Doctrines of Grace.

We talk to each other.

We share.

The women can encourage you.

So if you're on Facebook, I encourage you to look for me first, and then

I can send you an invite into the group.

Alan McGover.

Just look for me on Facebook, and I'll get you into the group.

Okay.

And obviously, a woman, although she is to be submissive to her husband,

should never allow her husband to compel her to commit sin.

Correct.

So that's one thing that you have to always remember, that Christ is her head above her husband.

We also have a listener who's an old buddy of yours who

asks that we even give his last name, Phil Veach from Camp Lejeune, North

Carolina.

I don't know if I'm pronouncing Lejeune correctly.

He says, Nancy, give us the update on degree work to the present,

but also current academic endeavors going forward.

And what's on your study on Paul's epistle to the Romans and any future projects?

But we only have about three minutes for you to do that.

Okay.

So real quick, I'm going to be attending Covenant Theological Seminary beginning September.

I will be working on my Master's of Theological Studies there.

On top of that, I am working on two projects.

One is the Book of Romans.

I am currently teaching the Ladies Bible Farm Church in Boise

through the Book of Romans using the Doctrines of Grace,

the five solas and tulips.

That will become a father wrote out

over the last 15 years of his life as the Lord was reforming him.

And it's his studies of scripture.

It's kind of a more personal book, more for my family, but it will be also out there for public

consumption.

Great.

And we have one more anonymous listener who wants to know, does your guest

believe that women are to be submissive in the church as well as the home?

And does she believe in seeking ordination?

Well, I no longer believe a woman is to be ordained.

I did make the mistake in the era when I was ordained.

I had international fellowship taken

back once I began to reform and understand that a

woman should not be in

the church.

And so a woman should be submissive to her spouse and to Christ,

to my husband in all things.

And as a sinner, I'm learning that.

And I submit to my own.

My focus is always teaching the women as a good Titus

woman, where I'm older.

Great.

Well, we thank you for that question, anonymous listener.

And if you would like a copy of Nancy's book, she has several

she's giving away.

You can feel free to write back with your name and address and we will announce that on the air if that makes

you feel more comfortable.

But what's in just about 30 seconds, can you tell us what you most want etched in the

hearts and minds of our listeners before we go?

To understand who is in

absolute control over every part of their life, nothing happens in it apart

from His will, and that they can draw comfort from the fact

that He is their Heavenly Father and Christ Jesus is there

because of the work of the Holy Spirit regenerating them, that they even

because of that, they can hang on in their life.

And remember, you can order Nancy's book through Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service at cvbbs .com.

Thank you for listening.

And I want you all to always remember that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.

God bless and we look forward to you joining us tomorrow.

Thanks for joining us, Nancy.

And we look forward to having you back in the future.