February 23, 2017 Show with Jeremy Walker on “Passing Through: Pilgrim Life in the Wilderness”

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This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Thursday.

On this 23rd day of February 2017 I'm delighted to have back

on the program as my guest Jeremy Walker Who is pastor of Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley

in West Sussex, England?

He is an author and blogger at Reformation 21 and the Wanderer.

He's addressing his book Passing through pilgrim life in the wilderness.

It's my honor and privilege to have you back on iron sharpens iron.

Jeremy Walker.

And we have in studio once again.

My co -host the Reverend buzz Taylor, it's great to have you back in the studio buzz.

Bad penny you seem to be more like a sack of counterfeit money.

This is because I go to the Presbyterian Church he says these things.

But I am delighted as I said to have you back let me read a description of

This book that we are going to be discussing today.

I think it might be helpful to our listeners.

As 21st century Christians, we must relate to the world.

But the question is how do we relate to it?

Some Christians are scared others are simply bewildered and still others capitulate to the spirit of the

age in passing through pilgrim life in the wilderness.

Pastor Jeremy Walker presents the biblical perspective that Christians are pilgrims passing through this

fallen world.

Who must cultivate the spirit of holy?

Separation alongside holy Engagement as they serve Christ and all their

interactions.

Unless we embrace this identity We will lose our way.

Reminding us that we need the Word of God as our map and the Spirit of Christ as our compass.

Pastor Walker clearly presents principles for holy engagement with the world and separation from it

for pilgrims on their way home.

Seeking to glorify the God of their salvation every step of the way.

This description that the publisher Reformation Heritage Books provides

Reminds me very much of a sermon that my my very first pastor is a

born -again Christian Mike Gadosh who is now the founder of and president of solid

ground Christian books one of the key sponsors of this program.

Years ago back in the 1980s or 1990s. He preached a powerful message

titled Jesus Christ friend of sinners yet separate from sinners.

This seems to be the heart of what you're addressing in this book.

Is it not?

In the world yet not of the world.

And Before I even go any further I think it'd be also a good idea for our listeners who did not hear you previously because

as I have mentioned off the air.

To you it seems that iron sharpens iron is gaining listeners new listeners every single week that

I'm aware of.

They're perhaps even gaining new listeners every day.

And we also have a whole new audience of listeners who hear us on 90 .1 FM in

the Lake City, Florida area because we are on a morning drive 8 to

10 a .m.

And also Evening time 8 to 10 p .m.

So we have a whole new group of people listening to the station and a pre -recorded version of the program.

But tell our listeners something About the church where you pastor

the Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex, England.

Hey, which is a town.

A new town south of London next to Gatwick Airport and.

The town is in 20 or so.

Maiden Bower is meet

in particular

Baptist.

You can use whatever label helps.

40 years.

He needs a

bit

more

breathing.

Things

are

going.

My life in a fall.

I'll tell us something about your blog.

Reformation 21 and the Wanderer.

Started that a number of years ago.

Contribute from times you

do by a number of different people

and then the

Reformation

toward

essays

will be of use to others.

How did you come up with that title.

The Wanderer?

Reminiscent of Dionne and the Belmonts.

I don't know if you ever remembered that song from the 50s or perhaps early 60s.

The Wanderer.

Well, very good

description

and I'm also

glad to hear that you're not affiliated with a.

Latin right traditionalist Roman Catholic newspaper of the same name the Wanderer.

Although I do thank the Wanderer although they did not promote my

Most recent debate for some reason that I don't know they used to Always promote the

debates that I would organize.

For over a decade they promoted them every year between my friend. Dr James R. White who was a Reformed Baptist and

and all of the Roman Catholic opponents that he faced in the debating arena.

Every year when I would organize these in the Wanderer would always faithfully promote them, but they did not do that for me this time.

I don't know why I did what had a debate recently here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania Between a Reformed

Baptist and a Roman Catholic and they did not Wish to cover it.

But anyway, that's that's a far in a field from what we're talking about today.

This is an interesting topic that we have that every Christian

If they are serious With about their faith and if they're not serious about their faith, they're not really a Christian.

But we all face these dilemmas in our everyday lives on

How to be in the world and not of the world.

Tell us Because of the fact that we do have listeners that are Some of

which some of whom are brand new believers some of whom are not even Christians at all.

What do you mean by pilgrim life?

Of course a novice to the Christian faith or an outsider might immediately have images of

people with Tall black hats with buckles on them having a meal with Native American

Indians.

So what do you mean by a pilgrim life?

I Would

not have

instinctively

thought of a

piety of

the.

Well, since he was an Englishman, I guess it is progress.

Scribed in the scriptures and

yet we are

alien life.

Identity

with Christ in and that

means that I'll

be

changed

to painting here

witnessing here.

And yet a real

identity kingdom that is not of this world.

And so the the pilgrim motif.

That Bunyan uses in his book and that is present there in the scriptures in various ways.

Which I think has become an over lies behind the use of that language

in the book.

What do you mean in your chapter by understanding the environment?

Before we even

get on

with with

all we think.

21 killer.

It might mean that in some instances.

Yeah, it's

fundamentally

an ethic

of

our

master

described as.

And this is a very Captivating title.

Know the enemy.

I know that I have heard from people who are experts in the Puritans that Very

often.

I don't know if this was a universal truth, but very often when a

Puritan was being trained for the ministry.

During his training he would sometimes be called upon without any advance notice

to get up and give a convincing defense of what an enemy of Christianity

believes.

Because of the fact of their they put a great importance on knowing what the enemy believed in order to

refute the enemy.

But anyway, if you could Continue with your explanation of what you meant by that

Primarily.

And

Reverend

Buzz

Taylor has a

question if

I if

I'm

sounding like I'm playing

the

devil's

advocate.

Understand.

I'm trying to second guess the way some of these words will be coming across to our listeners and.

So it's not an attack.

It's it's it's.

I think people will have these kinds of questions and that first of all.

From what I'm hearing.

How can you not be of the world and yet?

We don't want to become over scrupulous.

We don't want to become legalistic.

It makes it very difficult to know.

Well, what can we do?

What can't we do?

Is this association good or bad?

How do you determine that?

Yeah, that's that's that's a question I try and deal with in the first two chapters of the book.

Use the language of the world

to bear those distinctions in mind.

Now you could you could split any number of hairs on that but my characterization involved

there's the world in the creed

by God.

There's that's language that the Apostle John often uses and

the sense

there is

of that and

everything that is in

it.

My

point

cultivate

on

the one

and

therefore

we're

in a

feather hand.

You

can say

right

and down

the hatch

in that moral

and ethical

now going

back

to knowing the

enemy.

The chapter on Satan.

I wanted to give a quick plug that I'm sure you wouldn't mind since the book is Published by

the same publisher that brought your book into print.

Jeremy Reformation heritage books has an excellent little book by dr. Joe R beaky

called fighting Satan Knowing his weaknesses strategies and defeat and that's

not only in a paperback form, but also in an audio book.

So so anybody listening who might want to also investigate that

Subject you can go to heritage books org.

Heritage books org where you can also find information about passing

through pilgrim life in the wilderness by our guest Jeremy Walker, but Just thought I'd bring that

up because it is an excellent little book that dr. Beaky has written.

And how did you get?

Affiliated to begin with with Reformation heritage books you being over there in England.

Well, the I'd

known became my

first.

This was one that they

were really

that

relate.

Yeah, it's interesting that you providentially mentioned a Robin Torah.

His name came up yesterday because he is the editor of the

in the planned seven volume series on systematic theology by Greg Nichols and

We interviewed Greg yesterday on volume one of his lectures on systematic

theology.

And so it was interesting that Robin Torah's name came up.

Yeah, I can let you know that the church where I am a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania

very recently was Highlighting passing through pilgrim life in the

wilderness as their book of the month where they were offering a very

Largely Discounted price on the book from our book room at the church.

Every month they highlight a specific title and offer a very big discount and they so that that the

majority of the congregation will be able to purchase it and I just

wanted to let you know that they thought that the elders thought that highly of your book that they wanted to Highlight that book.

And by the way, anybody listening who wants to hear my interview with dr Joel Beakey on fighting Satan you can go to

our archive at iron sharpens iron radio .com.

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And in the far right corner of the website the top right corner there is the

past programs and Podcasts that you click on and in the search engine

you could type in Beakey be as in boy ee ke and that will be one of the

interviews that comes up that you can hear.

Now this I recommend another book on that.

Oh, yeah.

Sure.

Sure.

Definitely.

Yeah, I mean one one of I think The medicine can yes

the pure and banner of truth.

Yeah, you'll you'll not be able to interview him, unfortunately.

Precious remedies against Satan's devices.

Yes, that's an excellent.

He takes up that language from

devices or

devices that Satan has to

Undermine

and then for each side

that that book if

you're wrestling with

like a medicine

cabinet You can go in you can write medicine.

It is yes,

that was one of the I.

Can remember the earliest books as a new Christian that my pastor at the time strongly

recommended to the congregation.

Precious remedies against Satan's devices.

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Walker on passing through pilgrim life in the wilderness.

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So you have time to mill it over?

Or mull it over in your mind pastor Jeremy, but I wanted to know why you think it is that we

who are reformed.

Tend to shy away from in -depth discussions about Satan

we may mention him and may refer to things as being from

Satan and being Satanic and things like that, but it is I almost sense a fear of

reform people to be Too much involved with the discussion on Satan fearing that they will be

too much.

Resembling the Pentecostal and charismatic world who bring up Satan with quite

regularity with regularity and frequency.

But anyway, we're going to a break right now.

And if you could answer that when we return that'd be great.

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Pastor Jeremy in light of a chapter of your book on knowing the enemy referring to Satan himself.

We or should I say I brought up the Question as to why you think

many reformed Christians shy away from the subject of Satan Although he may be brought up

very briefly in terms of saying that Something is from Satan or

something is satanic and that kind of a thing.

But there is not really a lot of discussion.

It seems where he is being Viewed as a real entity

at an actual real entity That is roaming about wherever we are and so on not that he's

omnipresent like our Lord, but there's there seems to be a

dearth of Discussion and preaching regarding Satan and perhaps you have

experienced something different.

But that's what I've experienced.

If you could explain your thoughts on

that.

I.

Can Pentecostal Christians.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a relatively novel problem historically.

If you certainly go back Certainly pre

and on you've got

Understanding

of this but

then even if I'm

not right

supernaturally

I should say they they have either claimed

a monopoly on this kind of language.

And there are

there

are

some

oh, yeah

in

a couple of books on this topic That's

also a banner of truth.

I believe.

Correct.

Yeah good.

And and

it's

something

to the

white space

and

life and

what?

Level of power.

Do you believe Satan actually has in this earth?

Obviously?

We know that there were quite a number of things that Satan was able to do to Job

And the account in the Old Testament, but every single step of the way everything he did he needed

Permission from God to do it, but if you could explain what you think Satan can actually do in on this

earth today.

Yeah, well, he seems that his power I think we could say is is substantial but limited

he is

the undoubtedly

mighty sized by adversary.

But as you've made very mighty, but not

the the example of Job

Satan

had to come before God

main permissionivity captive.

That he

is conch

and that he

is now by

God's grace in a

movie.

Bye -bye, but

you

know,

it's

interesting

that you

spoke very

truthful biblical

and wise words

there.

But it's interesting how I saw those very things that you said twisted and misused in my opinion.

Years ago back in I think it was the 1990s the

There was a church on Long Island, New York where I lived a very large church charismatic well

known for Well known amongst biblically sound churches as being a

theologically dangerous place who would have the worst of the worst of false

preachers there and charlatan televangelists and so on word of faith

Preachers and so on and Rodney Howard Brown was speaking there Rodney Howard Brown who is most famous for the

laughing revival the Toronto blessing who I think is originally from South Africa if I'm not mistaken and

My general manager of a radio station that I worked for at the time called me up and he said Chris I want you to

come with me to see face -to -face in person Rodney Howard

Brown because I really want to know Directly from the source what this guy is all about because they've been trying to purchase

airtime from us and I want to know and when I went there Rodney Howard Brown

Took a different tactic than I've ever seen from a Pentecostal or charismatic preacher before

he came out on the stage and he said I'm so sick and tired of

Pentecostals and charismatics trying to pray demons out the room when I am preaching at a church

I don't need them praying demons out the room because when I walk into a room the demons scatter and if you're

Worried that you're gonna be demon possessed.

Don't don't you worry about it at all because God's people can't be demon possessed and he was going on and on and on about That

and you know, that is true what you said Jeremy but he was speaking to an audience of

thousands of people get letting them Rest and relax with the safety

in thinking that they could not be demon possessed and yet there could have been hundreds and hundreds of lost

people there and then he started to Manifest

what he would call this gift of the spirit of laughter or whatever he was calling it where he was

laughing hysterically and so was the Musical band on stage.

It was almost as if he was letting people or Convincing people to be at

ease and open themselves up to demonic activity if you follow what I'm saying.

Did that make sense to you that he was perhaps?

Trying to get them to be not afraid of any kind of supernatural occurrence that may occur when it

could very well have been demonic.

I've never been exposed to that particular.

I would be very.

Overdue.

I'm not trying to make a like -for -like equivalence, but I do think of the Sun might

to cast out be.

It's yeah, this is.

Yeah, we're not looking.

Yeah, we're not looking.

And anything that there might and then malevolence

me and

under the influence been

by

Martin Lloyd -Jones again.

About his time.

And there was a woman

in I

can't

remember

whether

what you that she

recognized.

Clean.

Think

we have

to wreck.

Oh, maybe.

Susan in Newville, Pennsylvania wants to know if your guest believes in Do

modern -day demonic possession?

That's a huge question.

I.

Know people who are thoroughly Orthodox and reformed and Calvinistic.

I know John MacArthur believes in modern -day demon possession and there are other

Folks that I know who are reformed.

I know John is a dispensationalist, but he's a thoroughgoing Calvinist.

I interviewed a Lutheran who believes in demonic possession who is not

a Sensationalist.

He doesn't use the topic like many in the charismatic community might

Sensationalize those kinds of things.

But anyway, if you could at least give us as much of an answer as you care to on that question.

Yeah, I think

it's a fine and a

valid

question.

I have a number of

it very care

I

don't

and

operative against them

places and at different times.

Yes, I think that there may be and have been indications.

Interpretation of not

any longer the case.

Yes, there is.

I don't know if you know of the.

The ministry called to every tribe But they are a

Calvinistic ministry that seeks to bring the gospel to Regions on the

globe that are unevangelized who have had very little or no

Communication with evangelists and missionaries in any significant way prior to their

arriving on the scene.

And The brother David Sitton who runs that ministry who

is a thoroughgoing Calvinist.

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in areas like I just mentioned where there is a

Superstition on steroids if you will and pagan worship and idolatry and all those kinds of

things going on.

Yeah, I I think again, I think that the biblical data suggests that in such an environment

that those

kinds of to

the modern

West

is the most with that

would bloody and.

So, you

know

the

paganism and again that's

think I can

give chapters and

evangelists

in I.

And in

fact if anybody wants to look up David Sitton's website, it's to every

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So, thank you Susan for the excellent question and We have another listener.

We have Joe in Slovenia.

Who has a question for you pastor Jeremy, please ask pastor Jeremy to react to brother Paul washers

quote from today's pulpit and pen article in Which he warns us about

pastors who are compromising the truth with worldliness and here's his quote.

From Paul washer.

Let me tell you something on the day of judgment.

Don't worry about the atheists.

Don't fear the prostitute or the murderer.

You want to fear for somebody on the day of judgment you fear for a large number

of Evangelical pastors who have departed from the Word of God and are parading the

church in a dress in a garb That God never intended her to wear

and now we go back to Joe from Slovenia's question.

How do we save others snatching them out of the fire and on.

Some have mercy with fear hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

I'm sorry.

I had you on mute accidentally pastor Jeremy.

Did you hear that?

Yeah, I guess I guess it is because he wants to know the first question is

basically your reaction to what that quote to that Quote by Paul washer.

Well, absolutely.

I love Paul washer.

Just heard him preach in Atlanta, Georgia the g3 conference.

But your reaction to that quote and also the follow -up question that Joe from Slovenia had

to be careful.

I don't know the context of and I I'd want to be careful

about.

Yes, I understand that.

If you

from

what

you've

read out

those

who

and

their

false teaching.

Who would seek to lead?

Pastors are not safe From hellfire just because they are pastors.

Isn't there even if even isn't there even a threat of greater judgment if they are false teachers.

Yeah.

Well, thank you Joe in Slovenia for the excellent

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So thank you very much for the American address.

And That is an interesting phrase that brother washer

used about parading the church around an address that Let

me go back to that very quote that our brother in Slovenia gave

Let's see here it says Parading the church in a dress in a garb that God

never intended her to wear because the the church using that analogy very many

in the modern evangelical world are Dressing up the church in a very

seductive Dress that incites

The carnal appetites of the world to be drawn to her because the

the church seems to be very bent on using

pragmatism To attract people in their minds to hear the gospel

and be saved by luring them into the church with worldly means.

But but this is nothing that the.

Disciples of Jesus Christ ever did in the scriptures

that we

can see.

Am I right

one of

one of

the Christian Liberty.

And that's what makes it

ineffective in the bed with

the world.

Reverend buzz Taylor has a question.

Well, it's just adding to the conversation here.

If anybody could have Used as he would use the term cleverness of speech.

It would have been the Apostle Paul.

He was, you know trained in Tarsus and he.

He was familiar with the Roman poets and everything and he used whatever he could in his, you know

for illustrations.

But yet he said that when he came to the Corinthians He determined to know nothing except Jesus Christ

and him crucified so that the power would rest on the gospel.

We need to remember that.

It is the if we simply let that word out.

It's gonna do its job.

We do not have to embellish it.

We don't have to make it impressive for the world and all our attempts to do so are just

weakening the message.

Absolutely, not by not by might or by power, but by my spirit says the Lord we We

need to rely

upon.

I think what we need to do is to stop being ashamed of the gospel.

Yeah, absolutely.

And and that that's one of them.

I Think that's a real challenge and he being pressured to prep to

privatize our faith.

We have J a in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island a first

-time Listener to iron sharpens iron.

Who wants to know?

Do you think that some Christians perhaps those who are more prone toward fundamentalism?

Take the extreme route when trying to separate themselves from the world

by rarely associating with non -believers and Not even going to restaurants that

serve alcoholic beverages and other things where they Seemingly cloister themselves in

their own Christian monasteries and never have Meaningful interaction with

those in the lost world around them.

Yeah

Well

Well J a Thank you for being a first -time listener and for sending us a question.

You are getting a bunch of stuff for free because of the fact that you're a first -time listener.

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-com and it is interesting.

I can remember when I had my first pastor's luncheon on Long Island some an annual

event that my late wife started in the mid -1990s.

I can remember a friend of mine who is a fundamentalist pastor.

He's retired from the ministry now, but he would not come Because I had the

pastor's luncheon in the Outback Steakhouse and they serve alcohol in that steakhouse and

I said to him well, you don't have to drink alcohol, even if that is your personal view of

liberty where you do not have the liberty to imbibe in alcoholic beverages

in any amount or fashion.

But he just because of the fact that it was served on the premises.

He wouldn't he wouldn't come.

I don't suppose it was being served at your luncheon either.

No.

I'm sure that there may have been a few a few Presbyterians and Lutherans that wandered up to the bar.

No, I was not having pictures of beer or or shots being poured at the various tables of

where the pastors were seated.

But that that that is I mean I said.

I also said to him brother if I would have to have my Pastors luncheon at McDonald's or

Burger King if you want to have it in a place where they don't serve alcohol is very few

High quality restaurants that don't have alcohol on the premises.

Yeah, but We go now to your

section on fight the battles.

Explain exactly what you mean by that chapter fight the battles.

Environment

suit up according

undermined made to

stumble.

Tell us

about the

pursue

the

mission in greater detail again.

Now this is this is moving towards some

of them

a duty that belongs

to the chair

the Christ's authority and at Christ's command in

his gospel.

Again taking number out the

praises of the

God has called us out of darkness into his marvelous light

to play to

make

Christ known

and.

This is one that Christians sometimes or perhaps I should

even say frequently Disagree on to in some level or another on how

this is actually made manifest it's especially Controversial

and something that is disagreed upon when a Notoriously anti

-christian or non -christian or liberal president Is in the White House

and of course you're there in the UK, so it would be a different officials there that may be

Opposed to the Christian faith where it made manifest in the The laws and

someone that they are trying to push forward that may be in some way problematic

for Christians.

They may be pro -abortion.

They may be pro homosexual Marriage same -sex marriage.

They may be in favor of Homosexuals adopting children and all these kinds of

things the subject of respecting the authorities.

Tell us more about what you've written in there.

You've identified there Chris whether it's in America

many places in

many cultures.

I said that

my kingdom as.

Yeah, we're not

when God's ends

to be In some measure

Process a matter of social justice.

We've actually missed our way by divine design and intention

doesn't mean That she has no and

that may be social and political and economic but that's not why she

exists if you like

and that as

Sinners are converted and if many sinners

are converted then you're going to see the impact of that across widely

Called data as it relates to our relationship to

the authorities that God has put over us the priority of a godly life.

Recognition the core systems

a friend of the church that we shouldn't look to them as or

try in party or political

process that that whole idea that our Citizenship is in

heaven those kinds of issues and sets our priorities in a completely different level.

Well, we're gonna go to a break right now and I'm going to ask a question of a listener of You

Jeremy and I'm going to give you time to think about it over the break again so you could answer after we return and

Forgive me that this is somewhat off -topic.

I don't believe it's it's entirely off -topic.

But because it involves a listener engaging other people about

the Christian faith and these other people involved in his family may

May not be believers.

So, I mean that this has something to do with being in the world and not of the world and being salt and light and so on.

But it's something and that it's so such a commonly heard thing at least in the media.

It's commonly heard when you when you see Programs on the afterlife and so on but I mean, I

just want to let my listener in West Islip Long Island, New York speak for himself of this question.

He says can you ask your guest what he makes of near -death?

Experiences where the person sees loved ones.

I ask this because my grandmother on her deathbed.

Saw her husband and relatives right before passing.

Sorry, if this is out of line or already asked.

But I was always under the impression.

We would never see others who passed while alive and That is Tom and West Islip,

Long Island, New York and perhaps you could answer that When we return from the break and this is our final break if you'd like to

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnz.

And if you just tuned us in for the last 90 minutes.

And the next half hour to come our guest has been and will continue to be Jeremy Walker.

We are discussing his book Passing through pilgrim life in the wilderness.

And if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

If you intend to write a question, I would do so very soon because we are running out of time and before the break.

Tom in West Islip, Long Island, New York Asked the question about his

grandmother.

Who said that she saw her husband her late husband and other? deceased

relatives before she died on her deathbed.

Obviously Tom might have inserted but he didn't.

He might have inserted the word that his grandma grandmother thought she saw

Her late husband and other deceased relatives before she departed this world.

But what is your response to that?

Is that at all from what you know of the scriptures and the afterlife?

Is that a possibility that someone would see prior to exiting this earth.

On entering into eternity, is it possible for us to see those that have gone on before us?

I think there

may be about the great gulf

Appointed for men to die once and afterward the judgment if

they do not

state a measure of finality.

Right into

the situation in

terms of the things

that one might anticipate.

Now at the same time, I think there

is

foretaste

John Bunyan himself I think on his

deathbed.

Believe if I remember rightly his last words were something like take me for I come to thee and.

Friends right cuz even Steven when he was being stoned to death.

Yeah.

So I would be

think

again.

It's one of us right.

And there's also a medication typically involved on people on their deathbed.

And that's why I say, you know that there are some that need to be taken into account.

And then there's the questions that come up to like, you know Did the witch of Endor actually conjure up

Samuel or was that something else?

I mean, I think That was buzzed.

Yeah, yeah, I'm the troublemaker not Chris but I Think I think actually

what you the way you started it out.

The whole answer was probably the best answer and that is that you know, we really can't answer things like

that.

And when it comes to experiences like that I can say that's interesting and just

kind of leave it at that.

And in fact the the account of the witch of Endor though the scriptures never say it was a False

apparition and and the medium was the witch or the medium was was terrified, right?

Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't a fake that she was perfect.

Of course.

We have the final authority.

Red Fox.

But anyway.

Sorry, we couldn't be of more help with that Tom.

But there's not a lot.

The Bible says about those things and there's no reason to put a lot of emphasis on that

experience anyway, I Mean the thing that you must always look to is

the gospel of eternal life.

For any kind of peace in regard to regarding the afterlife.

But anyway, thank you for writing.

And by the way Tom in West Islip you are receiving a free copy of

Passing through pilgrim life in the wilderness By Jeremy Walker and you're also

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You're also receiving a time for confidence trusting God in a post -christian society by

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I mentioned you are getting about from Reformation heritage books and we thank

you for For submitting that question and we thank the publishers for offering these for free

for our listeners.

And we also thank CV bbs .com we have Murray and Ken Ross

Scotland Who says with Jeremy Walker encourage a careful study

of Israel's?

Journeyings in the wilderness to establish principles that we as Individual

pilgrims can apply to our own walk in the pathway.

Satan sought to sift Peter as wheat, but our Lord prayed for Peter.

Do we perhaps not pray enough for one another in the face of Satan's wiles?

Where they're not.

Approach to be

gained from a A.

So yes, I

don't.

I don't

think there's any

really

careful study

of

obvious ways to

great

shepherd

of the

father in heaven.

And we thank Tom and Wes Lysolip for just informing us that he is has just put a check in the mail

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Thank you so much Tom.

That means the world to me.

We have Tyler in Mastic Beach Long Island,

New York and.

And he asks Why do we as Christians often

lose joy in the Christian life and almost look at our brokenness more than

our blessings.

That's a that's a very good question.

I Saw in

fact, you have a

chapter that kind of ties into this it looks like on the surface anyway.

Appreciate the beauty.

Yes, Tyler

and Mastic Beach.

Tyler and Mastic,

yeah, I

Would

say

that an answer

to that that

it

it's

actually

not.

And

that

harmonious relationship with God.

Amen.

Well, thank you Tyler and Mastic Beach, Long Island.

You are also receiving a free copy of passing through Pilgrim life in the

wilderness.

Thank you so much for contributing to today's show with your question Appreciate the destiny is

another one of your chapters.

Explain.

Yeah, I anticipate the destiny is.

Again as we

come

toward the end of the

book

I'm reminding

us that we

with glorified bodies like our Lord Jesus

The

world

is good

and

that we

will

embrace

is our

whole humanity.

Amen.

And cultivate the identity.

Identity is another chapter.

Yeah, that's that's really in some ways and you

will have to.

That we we we're not

going to

simply and then to maintain it and lastly your your

final chapter is serve the king.

If you could further explain.

Yeah, well, that's that really is the the grand summary that

That

we do

this

apply to

the world.

We've got a totally and radically different attitude to the one we had before

the bunion uses when he's

talking about.

He had not either the experience

he fair

in identity, but we

are united to cry

life and death.

Amen.

Well, I'd like you to summarize in about four minutes or so.

What you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today brother.

Try.

We're going to

edge together the Lord Jesus Christ.

Identity that

which mold

the

way in which we're to

walk through this wilderness world.

That's the way we will glorify the Lord.

That's the

way we'll

know and

enjoy the

passing through.

Hey, man.

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