A Response to a Bible/Qur'an Article

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Internet Outage and Today’s Program Plans

Welcome to the dividing line. We almost called it off. I had left my office that went down the break room for a little while came back and we were deader than a doornail. No more internet access down for about half an hour.

We just about said, ah forget it. But we called in and they said there is an outage in your area and We're still. I mean I was I was I had fired up my droid and was connecting up my computer to blog via my droid and Poof it all came back.

So whether it will stay here or not. We have no idea it Didn't didn't the internet Wasn't a little bit more Stable in the past that seems to be today. Is there some kind of you know, sunspot thing going on?

And I don't know what's what's going on, but it's it's a bit of a mess anyways. Anyhow back on. Sometime early this week. I saw a tweet from a Fellow was talking about meeting with some Mormon missionaries.

And so I said, hey, you know what? Why don't why don't you give me a call? The program will talk a little bit about that. So we're gonna do that. Then I've got an article that I've gotten at least two requests from completely different places in the United States talk about I'll hit that real quick and then we'll get to Get to the rest of our phone calls, so let's go ahead and talk with Justin in New York.

Hi Justin. Hello Justin, how are you? Yes, sir We need to hang up on this guy right now. You didn't tell me that part, I mean, why aren't you calling Eric and Cantor for crying out loud? I mean, he's gonna help you.

I Will try to do our best though. I I don't have the the the followers of a very canner and I Cannot relate any of your LDS questions to WWE wrestlers or anything like that, but I'll do my best despite my shortcomings.

Evidently, they wouldn't be lost on Eric and Cantor. But anyways, so how many times have you met with the missionaries so far? Oh.

Man, you know, it it started about three years ago. We started.

They're not the same missionaries. No, no, absolutely, right, right.

We've probably gone through about 20 different individuals and they still keep coming. I said there was a lull in between there. I think. The missionaries that we were most word of what was going on and and then there.

I sure. Yeah. Initially, it was very innocent. I just wanted to know what they believed. I grew up out West friends and and since becoming a Christian. It's something that's come up over and over again.

Oh, I thank you for your book. I was actually caught by surprise that you wanted to talk to me. I was just letting you know.

That your work is appreciated. Yeah. Well, I you know, I didn't realize you've been talking to him for that long. But it just when when people have the opportunity, you know, I haven't had the opportunity now for a number of years To meet with LDS missionaries and I I miss it.

I do sometimes see them Riding their bikes and I am I'm absolutely blown away by how young they look anymore because Those those first conversations that led to letters to a Mormon elder were conversations with individuals who were my age at that time and so now they're younger than my youngest child, so I've been been doing this for a while, but So when you when you meet with these guys.

You've got it. Are you are you with a new pair of them now? Or if you talk with these guys for a while or what?

Yeah, actually a new a new set of them has. Come into the apartment next door to me. I have a house and there's a set of apartments next door to me in there. There you go.

Okay I was wondering how that would work because I can guarantee if if if after that many years of meeting with missionaries. They wouldn't keep send them to your house. They would put a big old X on your front door and say uh-uh, no way we ain't wasting our time with these guys.

Yeah, that's what I that's what I suspect happened with Previous. Yes, there's a missionary. Yes. It's it's been about a year since we had really any meetings approached them one day. I've seen them out and about and It struck me as odd that now there's been three of them.

Huh? Yeah, well The main thing to keep in mind, you know, I I really I feel for these young guys I could tell you stories all day long About the conversations I've had with LDS missionaries over the years.

There was there was one poor fellow Who come back from Salt Lake my son and I were coming back from passing out tracks at the General Conference and and We left on a Sunday and we got the Salt Lake City Airport and there was a huge Group of LDS missionaries heading out to their mission field and a number of them were going down to the Arizona Tempe mission.

And they're all that we were all in the same flight and this Green green missionary. I mean, this was his first airline flight. Salt Lake was the largest city He had ever been in. Okay, this gives you an idea of how green this country Mormon little Mormon boy is and guess where he ended up.

He ended up in the window seat and I had the middle seat. For his entire trip from Salt Lake to Phoenix and oh, did we have an interesting conversation? My son gave up his copy of letters to a Mormon elder not like he couldn't get another one.

But he gave up his copy of letters to a Mormon elder so we could give it to him. And I've often wondered if I was ever gonna run to that guy again, you know. With stories about how his mission started off with getting stuck on the plane with me.

Sitting in the seat next to him, but you know, I I. There's so many different kinds of missionaries and I bet you you've already seen the board missionaries and the zealous missionaries and the clueless missionaries and Every bit, you know along the way and Sadly as the years have gone by I've noticed the missionaries themselves know less and less about what?

Their own faith teaches and They've been more and more infected with a really a post-modernism of you know truth everywhere type of a type of a thing and So it's actually become more complicated to attempt to to speak with these guys because it takes even more education more educating them What they believe let alone what you believe.

But I just I just wanted to encourage you want to know if there are any questions you had if you've already done this many times for that it's not quite the same situation, but I really wanted to encourage others to to think about engaging these folks because look one of the saddest stories I can tell of meeting with missionaries was meeting with This one missionary.

He was a return missionary in RM. And as you may be aware most over 60 of RM's go inactive for a period of at least six months after they come off. Their mission there's burned out. They're tired. They you know, they it's it didn't turn out to be what they expected it to be and so here's an RM who was still doing missionary work sort of as a stake missionary and We were meeting at this woman's house that this turned into a real long Situation extended for quite some time that I mean the missionaries really put the full court press on this lady.

But this was one of the earlier meetings and and after I explained the gospel to him for quite some time one evening He made a comment to me that I really think should not be the case. He meant it as a compliment.

I Took it as as a real real sad statement and that was here is a guy who had gone door-to-door in the United States. He wasn't in Zimbabwe. He wasn't in Zaire. He was here in the United States of America going door-to-door for two years.

It wasn't even back in the 18-month time they flirted with having missionaries out for only 18 months once I didn't work at all, but anyway He said to me. He said this is the first time anyone has ever explained to me the differences in what we believe and I was I was glad he now understood what the differences were, but I was absolutely Mortified that this was the first time that This man had had it explained to him in language.

He could understand what the difference was between the gospel He was preaching and what what the Christians at the door were saying to him and That just shouldn't be and I'm very grateful. You've taken the time to Try to talk to these guys, but I hope that other people will hear that and no I'm not saying everyone should just jump on their white horse and go out and try to save all the Mormons if you don't know What the Mormons believe no, that's that's probably a dangerous thing to do.

But there is so much good information that is available that if you do have I mean, I know somewhere over Near the canal around 51st 55th Avenue. There is a missionary house. You can you can find them you you you can recognize them eventually there's an apartment or a house that a you know is being used or something like that and There's going to be a fresh set of missionaries Rotating in and out there sometimes as many as four and one one apartment sometimes more Rotating in and out of those apartments and if and you know, you're right next door.

So you've got a you've got a whole mission field there. I think you need to memorize letters to Mormon elders. So But you know, I would encourage other folks to to really give consideration These these young men many of them have never ever heard a gospel presentation.

They could understand The the the language barrier is so big that if we don't climb that that mountain if we don't do the translation ourselves. Well, it's going to be who's going to communicate with them who's who's going to have the the beautiful feet bearing the good news for these people and.

So I'll encourage you to continue to do that encourage others to consider doing the exact same thing when you see those missionaries. Take the time to to meet with them and to to present the gospel to them.

There's a YouTube video it was recorded up in Anchorage video Anchorage, Alaska. Anchorage video yeah, Anchorage, Alaska a couple years ago where I give the eternal law of progression and help people understand what Mormons believe so press on and If if you found letters to be helpful You might find is more my brother to be useful if you run into maybe some of their stake missionaries or something like that.

Have you ever run into some of the older folks? Have they brought some of those folks along or has always been the young guys?

No, no, actually, I'm sort of praying that perhaps their.

Their bishop or somebody like that might get involved. Well, I realize that the bishop would almost never do that realize that the missionary stuff and The local leadership of the ward are very distinct from one another so you could get you could get Some some RM's you could get some some stake missionaries.

Or or like a mission president or something like that. They choose their bishops based not upon their theological knowledge, but their ability to get everyone to play together in a nice way. That's that's just let's do it.

So The bishops normally are not the ones are gonna be overly challenging. But they will have people that are sort of you know A little more knowledgeable that that you can you can talk to and you have to you have to walk a real careful line there.

If you want to get those folks. You might be able to get to them. But then if you don't just roll over to whatever they're saying. They're gonna mark you off and and if they know you're near, you know, like right next door to one of their their things.

They will they will pass out your picture. They've done it to me. They will tell people do not talk to the person in such in such a place. I remember very clearly I've been called out to meet with some missionaries or some Christians that we went to a really large church at the time and and So people knew that I would go do that and I was standing it was a second floor apartment.

I was standing in the window waving to show up. They rode by looked up and kept going rode to a circle K Called the family and said we'll be happy to meet with you. But not with him there and they had ridden by and seen me through a second story window so just.

It's it's a hard. It's a hard line to walk. It's a hard balance to get but it's it's worth pursuing. So Infamous I think is probably the terminology. Better use there. So well, we'll pray that the Lord will bless your efforts Justin.

All right. Thank you, sir. All right. Thanks a lot. God bless. Bye. Bye. Bye. It's seven seven seven five three three, three, four one. We have almost full board of calls. We don't have Skype up today, but I have gotten two requests to deal with an article.

I need to get to here real quick. It's not a long article. This is an article that appeared a couple days ago March 12 to March 29th, so two days ago by Leonard Pitts and Syndicated columnist entitled people should stop cherry-picking warlike quotes from the Quran and here's the article says, okay put your books away.

We're having a pop quiz below our four quotes. Each is from one of two sources the Bible or the Quran although just make things interesting. There's also a chance all four from one book. Two were edited for length and one of those was also added to remove a religion specific reference your job identify the Holy Book of Origin.

Ready. Here we go. Now. This was incredibly simplistic, but I realized that for 99 of the American populace. This would be a very interesting approach because people would not be able to identify these.

This is really simple. Wherever you encounter non-believers kill them seize them besiege them wait for them at every lookout post that of course is from surah 9. Of the Quran it's not saying that I'm just telling you that do not suppose I've come to bring peace to the earth.

I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Well. If your very own brother or your son or daughter or the wife you love your closest friend secretly entices you saying let us go. And worship other gods not yield to him or listen to him show him no pity do not spare him or shield him.

You must certainly put him to death. Well. We certainly know that from the Torah from Deuteronomy. Now kill all the boys and kill every woman who has slept with a man. But save yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Of course from numbers 31. All right pens down. How did you do if you identified the first goes being from the Quran surah 9 5 and the other three as originating in? The Bible. I congratulate you on that degree in theology.

Well. Thank you very much, sir. I worked hard on it. If you have guessed correctly. Most people will not have not found it easy to place the quotes in their proper books. And sadly he's probably right.

If I have guessed correctly most people will have found a certain thematic similarity in them. Well only if you are ignorant of the context. Yes, there is a point here. I wish people would stop cherry-picking warlike quotes from the Quran to prove the evil of Islam.

You see a stuff all over the web just a few days ago some anonymous person angry with me for defending fascist Nazi Islam the writer says is trying to kill us all sent me an email quoting chronic exhortations to violence to prove that Islam is a religion of hate and murder.

As rhetorical devices go it is a cheap parlor trick a con job to fool the foolish and gullible gull the gullible and. For anyone who has spent quality time with the Bible its shortcomings should be obvious.

If not see the pop quiz again. The Quran is hardly unique in its admonitions to take up the sword. It's not my intention here to parse any of these troubling quotes. Let us leave it to religious scholars to contextualize them to explain how they square with the contention that Islam and Christianity are religions of For our purposes.

That is sufficient to note that while both Christian and Muslim scholars will offer that context and explanation only Christians can be assured Of being taken at their word when they do so. Haha. I'm sorry.

I couldn't get through that one without laughing. I'm not sure what. What color is the sky in your world? I'd like to ask this writer anyways. Christians get the man for the doubt. Muslims get Glenn Beck asking a Muslim congressman to prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.

Because Christianity is regarded as a known and a norm Muslims meet in the meantime have been drafted since September 11th 2001 to fulfill the nation's obsessive historic paranoiac and ongoing need to rally against an enemy within we lost the commies but along came the Islamo fascists.

The names change. The endless capacity for a rational panic remains the same as In people who send out emails and assisting upon the rightness of holding over a billion people that bears repeating over a billion people.

Responsible the actions of what a few hundred a few thousand. Some of us use lies exaggerations rhetorical gobbledygook to insist in the red to instill in the rest of us that irrational panic. They breathe like air.

Yes. It is only sensible to fear the threat we face from terrorism. But panicked irrational people are capable of anything might be wise we chose to fear that too. That's Leonard Pitts jr a columnist for the Miami Herald and His email address is even provided here as well.

Just a couple things short short. There are things to agree with. I too am troubled with a lot of the surface level criticisms of Islam of people who will quote only certain Portions of the Quran and have not actually read the Quran don't know anything about the history of the Quran.

Don't I think about the organization of the Quran? I I that does bother me and I honestly don't think you should be running around saying the Quran says X if you've never even read the Quran and I wish people would stop doing that with the Bible, too.

I mean every person who runs around saying do not judge lest you be judged if you've not read the rest of the Sermon Of the Mount then you shouldn't be quoting it. Okay. I mean ignorance is not bliss.

Ignorance is normally just ignorant but however. That's not the same thing as the situation we face today. Especially with the citations that were given now. I I listened to a debate That took place between if the last guy was ill.

I forgot to bring it in here. I'm sorry, it was posted just recently between Jay Smith that took place. I think at Midwestern I think the last name of the fellow he's a former Southern Baptist who has become a Muslim.

I think his last name was Khalil Muhammad Khalil. I think I'd have to go look it's on my other computer. Maybe somebody in the chat channel can throw it up. I'll correct myself when they do. But I listened to it Monday and Jay Smith is just is just an incredible he he knows I I wish I knew the Quran.

Someday, I will Lord willing if he gives me enough years I will be able to quote the Quran as quickly and as easily as Jay Smith does. And Jay is a great guy now. The interesting thing was And and Jay just dominated in this debate.

It was almost it was almost embarrassing because Even though I was listening on it listening to it at high speed so it made the Muslims sound like a little bit better when I did listen to it at regular speed the long pauses of Quietness were very Khalil meek.

Thank you. We're really really difficult difficult to get through. But the one thing that made me cringe just a little bit is is I love Jay, but he's a Mennonite and He just he just he did he threw the New Testament the Old Testament on the bus.

He really is and I'm not worried about the Old Testament. I follow the New Testament. I follow Jesus we don't worry about the Problem and and Khalil meek doesn't know enough about the Bible to have done this but a sharp Muslim would have responded.

Well, is that so Jay Smith? How do you explain the fact that almost every page of the New Testament you have quotations of the Old Testament. You just you can't you can't do that. We have to be able to explain and explain Consistently and explain clearly and explain in in a biblical fashion these texts from the Old Testament because we can't just throw it out and Jay likened it to the fact that he has like a 16 year old and a 12 year old and a six-year-old and The Old Testament is the rules he has for the six-year-old and the New Testament's the rules He has to the 12 year old and we're supposed to move forward the rules for the 16 year old.

That's a that's a level of Interpretational gridwork there that I I wouldn't want to have to defend in in a debate. There's no question that we can recognize that The Old Testament laws and especially the laws of stoning killing apostates, etc, etc.

Were for a specific people at a specific time and it was a specific people that were being used by God to bring about the birth of the Messiah. They were God's covenant people in the land of Israel and there were certain things that marked them off as God's covenant people that were external in nature and Apostasy was something that had you not only cut off from your people, but it would result in a capital offense and unless you're someone who feels that the the Theocracy of Israel is supposed to be established across the world under the rubric of the church.

And there are people who do believe that but they are a small minority then you have to recognize the differences and the fact that as The gospel has gone forth across the world. It leads people to honor God's law, but not to attempt to make everyone Jewish and establish a theocracy in the process we look at God's law, which is you know, this is this is the word that makes everyone cringe Theonomy that's Thaos and Namas God's law we look at God's law and we see the principles that it enunciates and what is pleasing to God and I do believe that nations will be judged on the basis of whether they have judged rightly in light of God's law.

There's no question about that. But those things that marked off the people of Israel as a specific people at a specific time the the the holiness codes that do not contain specific moral elements that are Otherwise in the law attached to creation so and so such as the trimming of the beard.

Okay, I mean and that one really connects well when you're talking about Islam, I Suppose there's some group someplace That calls itself Christian that does not trim the corners their beard, but I do it all the time.

And I'm not being inconsistent in so doing we have to look at those laws. I've done I've done programs on this in the past. I've Actually put a fair amount of time into thinking about this because the homosexual issue.

Because two of the strongest prohibitions against homosexuality are found in the Holiness Code Leviticus 18 Leviticus 20 and people say wow if you wear polyester. You wear clothes that have mixed fibers or any of these other things then you're being inconsistent blah blah blah and I've tried to put some serious thought into what all of that means and looking at the Holiness Code and being able to discern what is.

What is an element of morality that is? That the Bible tells us is is part of the creation itself such as homosexuality. Such as the marriage bed and and so on and so forth. Over against no, I am NOT expressing any level of dispensationalism whatsoever.

Mr. Squirrel. Tim LaHaye favorite guy. Anyway, I just happen to look over in channel and there you go. Everybody I don't care look look at look at theonomy by Greg Bonson. Even Bonson's conclusion was there's a lot more work We need to do to know how to make application of God's law and and Bonson recognized that there there has to be More work done in these in these areas.

And I think we all need to be thinking through these things and in a serious fashion and need to be serious Christian. So we can give serious answers to questions like this, but what is very very clear is The New Covenant does not establish a theocracy in every nation.

It goes into and this is where the difference exists between at least Quranic Islam and Christianity and I say Quranic Islam because there is such a wide variety of Islamic belief. There is no question.

There's a wide variety of Islamic belief, but the kind of Islamic belief that is behind al-qaeda the wahhabi Salafi type of super-conservative we need to be interpreting the Quran the light of everything that Ibn Kathir said and it's everything that's found in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih al-muslim and and al-tabari and especially as seen in Ibn Tamiya that kind of Islam cannot be separated from the Sharia and The Sharia is is a political system.

It is it you can't separate the two out and That's one of the major major major major differences That you have in that particular Conflict and Must be understood when we look at these things and and so yeah I'm personally tired of all the really really surface level Citations of the Bible as well as the surface level citations of the Quran.

And I don't I wish Christians wouldn't do either one. And I wish atheists wouldn't do either one and the the level of discussion What I see on Fox News and places like that is bad. But there's a there's on the other side.

There are people that feel that you can't say anything about Islam. That you cannot identify any Elements of Islamic teaching as being an error. It's it's just it's the untouchable That's that's the the left and of course the leftist doesn't seem to realize how absolutely insane That type of action that type of action is because we're the Muslims ever take over.

They would not spare the left for having been nice to them at any point in time. I can assure you of that so Anyway, I I did find it an interesting Discussion and yes, there are there are reasons we should be concerned, but at the same time We we do need to recognize what Muslims believe that's why we've done programs on this on this.

We've done entire issues of the dividing line on these things. What what other program has gone through every single one of the references to ESA in the Quran? And You know played Lectures from Islamic folks and talked about the fifth of and the mythic.

These are all in the archives. You can look them up. And we'll be doing more in the future. I mean, you know right now I'm fighting the temptation to talk about some of the stuff I'm working on my book right now because I thought it was just fascinating that my tutor and I spent time I mentioned this briefly yesterday my turn.

I spent time looking at sir at al-fatiha and who is it the Dali me if you've ever hear anybody's quoting sir, don't fight the how they extend the vowel in that last with those who have been led astray.

Who are they? Well, I the early earliest earliest Muslims said Muhammad when he was asked that question said those are the Christians and Those who've earned God's wrath those the Jews folks that would mean in in every prayer five times a day.

When the Muslims pray They pray a prayer saying don't let me be like a Jew or a Christian. That sort of is important. You know that sort of has a you know that. That's a kind of dialogue we can have. It needs to be understood that that's what's going on.

But anyways, I'm fighting the the the temptation to do that. Did you want to take a break today? No, oh you're just gonna sit there and just watch me just Babylon. Oh Oh you want you didn't want to say do we did did you did you want to bring up that one subject before we go?

Correction About the “Presently” Quote and the Golden Gate Article

To our our colors. Sure because apparently I've got Something to correct. Oh, yes. Aside from the spelling of your name. Well, somebody else has something to correct in that regard because you can't seem to spell my name, right?

It is on it is on the front page of the website. It is on this front page as well as my title which way with this particular. I'm really sorry about that I did you I didn't mean to take over as president.

I really didn't because you are actually the press I think you need to correct that right away. Okay, Rich Ferris is the president of Alameda ministries. I'm the director of ministries. Yes, yes, but yesterday I'm sure or dumper yesterday on the program.

I I actually Been I'll explain why in a minute. I apparently errantly said that the seat the Christie Christianity Today article had been changed. Updated to take out the word presently. Yes. And the reason I said that was that here on Peter Lumpkin's blog.

He has and in fact, there's three different blogs that use this particular image where he has quote Dr. James White presently teaches at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary unquote and then big red letters really underneath it and your pictures right there.

Hey. And and so I at least it's not a distorted picture. Is it a disturbed picture? No, no. No, it's it's right. So it's not Dave Armstrong. No, it's not a deal. That's good so, you know, but given the fact that it was clearly a quote right I I Just made the assumption that he was quoting someone and in trying to sort it out I could only come to the conclusion given the fact that I actually went and googled the phrase James White presently.

And there was only one place in the entire internet that that phrase was showing up. And that's that's on Peter Lumpkin's blog. Yeah, and So Apparently, you know when I stated that Peter, you know that the Christianity Today article had been changed I was presuming that he was actually drawing that quote from what was published last year and here he puts that he's rather flummoxed apparently at My having said this because here this is it still says according to him As of last night so so in other words Peter Lumpkins has convicted himself of inserting a word.

That's not there. Well, he says that in fact He says the quote is he gave a link. This is where he drew his inference the president large his inference. You know as who teaches on Islam at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary.

Well the word presently isn't in there. In fact, there's other things it's it's it's it's actually very different well, so I'm left to conclude only one thing as I'm surfing the net last night and that was that Apparently this phrase Peter was actually quoting himself In in this particular representation which another is another circumstance where you need to correct that you need to get that fixed because here Peter Lumpkin a very says an article is calling you the president and now he's saying that you know These things presently teaches blah blah blah.

And so, you know just in and in trying to sort all this out I decided as I'm still searching the net and all that I decided to Google the phrase. You know how when you get certain websites you get these pop-ups the pop-up, you know real fast, you know I Decided to Google the phrase yellow journalism and I'm positive Boom right there is a pop-up of Peter Lumpkins, but it went away.

So, yeah, you move the mouse and it just disappears, you know, yeah, so, you know. But he needs to disprove that you actually saw him pop up when when googling yellow journalism. He needs to disprove that because we all you got to do is say something.

It must be true. Yeah, it's a sad thing because Yeah, well, thank you very much. Anyone who would well honest people? When they listened to my my video on The dangerous subject of the love of God and the fact that people get very emotional about it and don't necessarily really Think biblically or theologically about it.

Honest people knew exactly what I was saying and They didn't have to change my words like Peter Lumpkins did to come up with an entire Reason for criticizing me and and honest people if they go to my website Would see that I've always been straightforward about Columbia evangelical seminary.

And they could look at my teaching list there and what they would notice is that every class I've listed is teaching for a Golden Gate. I've given the exact years in which I taught those things and you'll notice that there has been a pretty consistent teaching pattern since 1995 now there are Places in there where I wasn't teaching a class.

I'm not teaching one right now but Honest people rational people would look at that and go wow. You've taught a really wide range of classes and in different places. You've taught in Mill Valley. You've taught in Denver.

You've taught in Arizona and so they would interpret like that that reporter in light of Well, what's rational and and what you know? But you see that's not that's not a lumpy lumpy is not trying to be Honest or anything like that.

He's trying to come up with something to to distract people from the fact that he is a defender of a known and documented liar Eric and Kanner and so this is this is a Common methodology it only we it only works.

It's a little bit like the force These are not the droids are looking for only works on the weak-minded. It doesn't work on on someone goes. Well, wait a minute. What are you talking about and and can see past that?

Well, just just just for clarification very quickly for the third time now, okay. You got a response to your inquiry last year at Golden Gate. Yes, I did and you were told Nothing's nothing nothing from Mill Valley whatsoever.

There was no no communication had been no grand proclamations from these unnamed Sources and people that of course Peter Lumpkins won't even mention and won't even document. No, of course the status is still the same I will hope and look forward to an opportunity in the future and once again if because of stink bombs thrown by Little people who have nothing else to do with their lives then make stink bombs Causes the students there to not get to study Islam with someone who actually has the level of experience I have with Islam I will shame on them.

What does that say? About their motives it says everything about them anyway, let's got phone callers here and good grief a really wide variety of topics here and We'll we'll see what's behind the blinking lights.