Matt Slick Live: December 5, 2024

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Now, yesterday, I taught on baptism. And it wasn't planned for me to do something like that.

I just kind of impromptu'd, well, every now and then teach on a topic, and I know I've done this on baptism before, and I know it upsets a lot of people.

For one, you know, baptism is not a requirement to be saved. You should do it as a demonstration of your faithfulness to Christ.

And what I did yesterday, so I'm asking if anybody wants to, you know, give me some feedback, you want to call up, you've got questions, you want to say it's new, you're still thinking about it,

I'm totally off the mark, whatever you want to say, I'd be interested to hear. So I taught about,

I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes, I guess, on the issue of baptism yesterday, and my take on baptism is just a little bit different than a lot of people.

I mean, we should get baptized, name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that's what Matthew 20, 18 -20 says, we should do that.

However, I'm not so convinced that baptism is only immersion.

Now, the reason I say that is because I've done a study on baptism, and particularly

Christ's baptism, and I mentioned this yesterday, where I believe that he was sprinkled.

And the reason I say that is because I'm forced to that conclusion based on what

I see in the Scriptures. Because he had to fulfill the

Old Testament, that's what he says, that's why he's getting baptized, to fulfill all righteousness. Fulfill means

Old Testament. So you go back and you look, well, what was he doing? What was he doing in the Old Testament that was Old Testament requirement?

Well, I know he went into the priesthood at the age of 30, and all these requirements.

And that's when I discovered, you know, he had to be anointed with oil, and that's the

Holy Spirit, a verbal blessing given, 30 years of age and all this stuff, and he had to be sprinkled with water. This is what the requirements were for the priesthood.

I could find no other place in Scripture that talks about fulfillment for priesthood requirements that talked about immersion.

I'm sorry, I couldn't find it. Now, so according to the law,

I suspect that Jesus was sprinkled for that reason. And the verse in that of the

Old Testament requirement for sprinkling was out of Numbers 8, verse 7. Now, I thought what

I might do, I'll continue with this a little bit because there's something else which

I didn't really get into. I just kind of threw it out at the end of the show.

So when it says you're baptized with water, with water, now, folks, if you get your pencil, your paper ready for driving, you're going, oh, no, listen to this.

Bear with me. I'm going to quote Scripture and see what it says. And I'm going to ask you, have you known anybody else to do this?

Have you known any of your pastors, your elders to teach this? Maybe they have, maybe they haven't. Maybe they've looked, I don't know.

So one of the things I did was I noticed what it says, you'll be baptized with water.

It doesn't say in water. It says baptized with water. That's interesting.

With water. So I looked at the word with water and with oil, with blood, and I found some interesting stuff.

But first, let me go through some of these slowly. OK. It says in Exodus 29, for then you shall bring

Aaron and his sons to the doorway of the tent of the meeting and wash them with water.

So that means water is applied to them. Exodus 33, 20, when they entered the tent of the meeting, they shall wash with water.

Now, this is a tent. That means he didn't take their clothes off and then get dunked. It means they washed with water.

The water was the element applied to them. It was applied to them. Then Mark 1 .8,

I baptize you with water. And he will baptize you with the

Holy Spirit. Now, this is interesting to me because with the Holy Spirit means the Holy Spirit's poured out upon you.

So he baptizes with water. I'm looking at this going, you know what? It looks like the water is applied to the person.

And that's consistent with Old Testament stuff. Let me show you. Let's see, let's see,

I'm going to get this one right here. OK, I want to read this one first before I get that. Hebrews 9 .19,

for when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people, according to the law, he took the blood of the cows and the goats with water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled both the book itself.

This is the application of water by sprinkling. Water and it says with water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled both the book itself and the people.

Now, I'm not exactly sure what the procedure is. I mean, hyssop is like a it's a plant and wool.

You know, we know that is it's a with water and the scarlet. There's probably a procedure that they did.

It says and they sprinkled the book itself and all the people and there the water is associated with sprinkling in the application to the people.

That's what he's saying that was occurring in the Old Testament. Well, it's interesting, OK? Check this out with oil.

It's in Chronicles 28 .15. The men who were designated by name arose, took the captives and they clothed all their naked ones from the spoil and they gave them clothes and sandals, fed them and gave them drink, anointed them with oil, led their feeble donkeys on and et cetera.

So that means the oil was applied to them. They weren't immersed in oil. Or how about Psalm 23 versus verse five?

You prepare a table before me and the presence of my enemies. You have anointed my head with oil.

In Ezekiel 16 .9, then I bathed you with water, washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil.

Now, think about that. Bathed you with water and anointed you with oil.

The phraseologies to me suggest the application of the element to the person.

Because if you're anointed with oil, anointing your head is anointed with oil. And if you are, like it says in Ezekiel 16 .9,

you know, bathed you with water, anointed you with oil. Does that mean the bathing with water was they were naked and immersed because you're bathing?

And then the anointing with oil means the application. It's kind of a too abrupt switch for me.

And, you know, in Micah 6 .15, you but will not anoint yourself with oil.

Mark 6 .13, and they were casting out demons and were anointing with oil many sick people.

That means they applied with it. You know, the elm was applied. James 5 .14, get the elders, pray over them, anointing them with oil.

All right. Now, so let's see.

Let's see. So kissing his feet and anointing them, his feet with the perfume.

That's just the word with. So this is a great, it's a great parable to the woman let down her hair.

I may just teach on that because it's just a wonderful parable. And she was kissing Jesus feet and anointed them with perfume.

That means applying the perfume to it and probably poured it over her feet. His feet, that is.

It was Mary who anointed the Lord with oil. John 11 .2. This goes on.

And then Acts 10 .38, God anointed him with the Holy Spirit, anointed with the

Holy Spirit. That must mean the application of the Holy Spirit to the person. It's got to be that.

I don't see anything else. Okay, check this out. Hebrews 9 .22. And according to the law, one must almost say all things are cleansed with blood.

With blood. So this constant use of with something, the thing is applied to the person.

In Exodus 31 .3. I have filled him with the Spirit of God. And then

I have a list here. Other verb with object occurrences.

A girded with the sash, with the robe, with the ephod. Israel struck him with the edge of the sword.

And so the word with here is a different usages. I'm just showing that the robbers were insulting him with the same words.

Okay, so now I thought it was interesting because when we look at this, and we see the application of an element to an individual, a physical element.

The way it's done in Scripture is that the element is given to or applied to that individual.

That's what's going on there. I can't help but wonder when it says baptized with water, if it means that the water was applied to them.

I mean, to me, it's a fair question to ask. People say, no, it never means that.

Well, I'm just showing you how the Bible uses the phraseology of the element being applied to somebody and what that means.

So here's some other stuff about baptism. We get baptized because Jesus commanded it.

You know, Matthew 28, 18 and not through 20. You know, baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. But it's also in Acts 10, 44 through 48.

It is a, a baptism is a public identification with Christ. And it symbolizes our death to sin in Romans 6, 3 through 4.

And it's a covenant sign in Colossians 2, 11 through 12. Now, I was going to say one more thing about that.

Baptism is this baptism. I forgot what I was going to say. Darn it, I hate it when I do that. No, that's all right.

So many people assume baptism always means immerse. It does not. Take a look at these verses where the root bapt and his cognates, you know, baptized, baptizing, baptized.

Okay, his cognates are translated differently. In Mark 7, 4, it's the word bapt is cleanse and washing.

In Mark 10, 38 and Luke 12, 50, it's baptism of tribulation.

In Hebrews 6, 2, it's translated as washings. And Hebrews 9, 10 is also translated as washings.

So to me, this is really interesting stuff. And now about infant baptism, we'll get into that.

That's an interesting argument and stuff about it. Let's see, where's some other stuff

I could talk about this? Oh yeah, I did the mathematics. I talked about that yesterday. Here's something that's worth looking at too.

Isaiah 32, 15. Until the spirit is poured out upon us from on high.

Then we have Isaiah 44, 3. I will pour out my spirit on your offspring.

And it goes on, Ezekiel 39, Joel 2, 28, 29, Acts 2, 17. You know, it says, I'll pour out my spirit on all mankind.

And the Bible says that we'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. That must mean the pouring of the Holy Spirit. And in Acts 1, 5, it says,

John baptized with water. You'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. To me, it's like, you know, it just has to be that the element is applied to the person.

Now you can see why I'm moving to this position. Now maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm missing something else.

But I'm looking at it and I did a lot of study on this. So this is really interesting. How come

I've not heard this before? Maybe because, maybe, just like the two men in the field and one is taken, one is left.

That's the rapture. And no, it's not. That's about the wicked being taken. People just believe whatever they've been told without looking at the context.

And maybe it's the same thing with the baptism. I certainly believe that. Oh, it always means this. And then I started studying.

Wait a minute, not necessarily. Interesting stuff. We've got a break coming up.

Maybe I'll do some more teaching on this. We've got Patrick again. And we'll get into this. Please stay tuned.

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Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. We've got two callers waiting. And I want to teach some more on this.

I'm just kind of intrigued by it. And I thought I would teach it. And I want to get to the issue of baptized for the remission of sins.

And I'll talk about that. And raise some questions. Hopefully some equally intriguing questions about that as well.

Let's get to Patrick from Charlotte, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

It's me. You left me on hold last night. But I'm still here. OK. Could you read

John 1, 31 to 34? What's the reason?

What did we do that for? What's your point? In the NIV Bible, the scripture actually said, but this is the reason

I came baptizing with water. And then he continues and tells why he baptized in water.

Yeah, but yeah, John testified. I've seen the scripture descending on like a dove on heaven, remaining on him.

Yeah, which is part of the Old Testament requirement. You got to read John 1, 31 to 34. I'm looking at it right now.

And he says, I did not recognize him. He sent me to baptize in water. He said, upon whom you see the spirit.

That's the one who baptized the Holy Spirit. I've seen myself testify the Son of God. OK, what about it? OK, so John was sent to identify

Jesus as the Son of God. He didn't know which person was the Son of God, but he immersed people underwater and he looked for the dove.

If he didn't see the dove, he knew that person wasn't the Son of God. But what happened at Jesus's baptism?

The heavens opened up. The dove came down and God himself said, this is my son.

I'm well pleased. So John the Baptist used water baptism as a way to identify which person was the

Son of God, because John had to complete his testimony in John 1, 6, 7.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So what's your point? You're trying to make with just summarize it in one sentence.

What I'm trying to say is you're wrong about Jesus being baptized to be the high priest.

OK, well, if you want to ignore Scripture, that's fine. You can do that. No, you want to ignore

Scripture. Hold on, let me explain. Let me explain. So what requirements of the

Old Testament did Jesus have to go through? Because he says to fulfill all righteousness, fulfill me is the

Old Testament. So what did Jesus have to fulfill in the Old Testament? In his baptism. OK, so then what you're saying is

Jesus had to do a works. He had to be water baptized to be the high priest. OK, I just asked you a question.

Where does it say in the Old Testament? I asked you this specific question. What is it that Jesus had to fulfill in order in his baptism?

What was the Old Testament law that he had to do? Have you started? You got to understand Jesus is the New Testament.

The Old. I have less and less patience with him because I ask the same question.

And he just ignores the question. This is a problem for those who don't know. I'm not being rude for him for no reason.

I just got rid of him because we've been talking off and on for years and very familiar with him. And most people who hang out the same circles

I do online, they know who he is. They say the same thing. He just is unteachable. And as I'd like to say, here's a new one that Patrick couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag if it was on a

NASA centrifuge. It was active very fast and the bag opening was pointing out.

Still couldn't get out. So I like saying things like that. But he doesn't understand. He doesn't understand what the

Word of God is. He denies the Trinity, denies Jesus as God in flesh. It's just ridiculous stuff.

And then he ignores the question. Jesus says was to fulfill all righteousness.

Fulfill means the Old Testament. What in the Old Testament was Jesus fulfilling in his baptism? That's the question. And he ignored the question, just ignores it.

Well, if you could ignore it, then, you know, we'll just move along. Let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes. Why are there so many denominations in this country?

And how are these big church buildings? And they're all half of the time. They're all empty with few church members.

Why don't they just get together and forget all these denominational divisions? And you get to get all the church members with different churches to get into one building.

And and that way, you could help each other more and accomplish more for the body of Christ. That way, sort of bakery in between a different belief system about the

Bible and all this stuff. So we could accomplish more for the body of Christ that way, I think we would think.

I think it's a good idea, but it won't happen because denominations are necessary to some degree.

There are denominational differences that can't really be crossed, unfortunately.

And that's just the reality of it. So there are certain reasons that people are just never going to unite in certain aspects.

But overall, I like the idea of what you're saying, of them uniting for that purpose, you know, that they need to do that.

But it's not going to happen. Yeah, because the doctrinal beliefs and different nonessentials and stuff like that.

Yeah, for example, Calvary Chapel. Back when I used to go to Calvary Chapel, I was baptized.

My wife and I were baptized by Chuck Smith, the founder of Calvary Chapel. We're married by Calvary Chapel pastor up here in Idaho.

We went to Calvary Chapel for years. And I'm a I'm reformed. I'm a reformed individual Calvinist.

Well, back in the day, the Calvinists attacked, that's what I was told, the

Calvary Chapel by petitioning out in front of them, holding signs up. And it really turned them sour to reformed individuals.

And I don't blame them for that kind of bad behavior. Well, as an example, Calvary Chapel just disagrees with reformed theology.

Disagrees with it, period. Well, what about the Presbyterian churches who affirm it? How are they going to meld it together?

It would have to be quite a bit of humility on both sides to be able to work together in the essentials and agree.

I know how to bring them together. But they're not going to ask me to do that. I'm not going to ask others to do it because there is a way to do it.

And you focus on the essentials. And then that's it. But it always is the case that people divide because we get a little bit doctrinal centric in particulars and say, this can't be true.

This must be true. And we divide. That's just what's going to happen. OK. Yeah. Another question.

I was just now. And oh, yeah. About. Let me see what it was that question.

I had my thought just now. Oh, yeah. And when the Bible talks about Christ is the same yesterday and forever, that now the things that you do, like example, under Israel, they were theocracy.

So we're not a state. We're not a theocracy. So so basically what the Old Testament prophets did to the false prophets, you know, decapitate their head off or people stolen to death or adultery.

You can't do that here in the United States, even though the Bible says God's Christ is the same yesterday and forever.

What's your question, though, with all this? My question is, why can't you do the same thing which you did the

Old Testament and apply it today in our time? Because it was under a theocratic system.

We're not under that anymore. And we're in a new covenant, not the old covenant. Hebrews 8, 13, Hebrews 9, 15 through 16.

So the new covenant has new stipulations. So we don't do the things that God required of the people of Israel, the sons of Israel.

And you do these certain things. And it wasn't for everybody. It was for Israel. Israel isn't we're not in Israel now.

So those things just don't apply to us the same way in all issues. OK. OK, so basically the same like Jesus Christ said, we're talking about the disciples.

They prefer to obey God than man. So yes, but it's not that simple.

It's not that simple. This has to do with theological understanding of the nature and extent of the different covenants and how they work and what the parameters are of the covenant for now and then.

So that's a theologian's job. OK, hey, there's a break. But you've got to go. All right, man.

God bless. OK, we'll talk to you later. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

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That's what we want to do. All right. Having said all of that, let's get on with Greg from Utah.

Greg, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, thanks for taking my call, Matt. Sure. I wanted to add, if you if you look at the dedicate an early document of the early church, it does reference the use of sprinkling water and also pouring water in baptism.

And this is from the early apostolic church. So that practice has been around for a very, very long time.

Yes, it has. In fact, in the didache, which I have a copy on the website, uh, let's see.

Oh, get this right here. Go right to it. Baptism. There we go. And what it says, people don't know what the didache is.

Let me explain first. The didache is the it's the Greek for teaching. And it was probably written in the first century, probably during the time of the apostles, some of them being still alive.

So there you go. Now, this is what it says in chapter seven. But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye, having first recited all these precepts, baptized in the name of the

Father, Son, Holy Spirit in running water. Now, that's interesting. What does it mean in running water?

Does it mean you have to get under running water or in a running water stream?

You're standing in it or you're immersed in it. I mean, it doesn't tell us. But if you do not have running water, baptize in some other water.

If you can't baptize in cold water, then do it in warm. So for first, you have cold water.

And then the next verse says, but if you have neither, pour water three times on the head in the name of the

Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But before baptism, let he who baptizes and him who is baptized fast previously and any others who may be able to.

And you should command him who is baptized to fast one or two days beforehand. So that's what it says in the

Didache. This is from before the year 100. Most probably when it was written in the 60s, some say.

Let's see, go to the top. Do I have any information on what was written? Yeah, 65 to 80.

That's the range. And it's cited by Eusebius, Athanasius, Origen, and coded in the

Epistle of Barnabas. And I'm just saying it's been around. So you're right,

Greg. And there you go, you know. So good stuff, huh? That's all, man.

Thanks for your ministry. God bless. Thank you. And thanks for reminding me about the Didache. I kind of forgot about doing this.

But yeah, as soon as you said it, I went, that's right. Went right to it. So good stuff, man. God bless.

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877 -207 -2276. All right. Now I'm going to read a verse and talk about it.

And this is going to be fun for me. I've done this with people before. It's Acts 2 .38.

Now a lot of people, what they want to do, read a verse. I understand it completely. I'm done. Next. I don't do that.

Okay, let's ask some questions. So regarding baptism, it says, let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

That phrase, for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the

Holy Spirit. What does that mean? For the forgiveness of your sins. Now in Greek, the phrase is eis aphesin hamartion.

Eis aphesin hamartion. That's what it is in Greek. Okay. That exact same phrase is found in other places.

For example, in Mark 1 .4, John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Eis aphesin hamartion. Luke 3 .3, and he came into all the district around the

Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Eis aphesin hamartion.

The exact same phrase, exactly the same in the Greek. New Testament written in Greek.

All right. Now, some people will tell me that for the forgiveness of sins means that's how you get your forgiveness, by being baptized.

Let's assume that's the case, or let's work with it. If John the

Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins, then does it mean that John the

Baptist's baptism got you forgiveness of sins? Is that what it means? You'd have to be consistent and say, well, yes.

But that's not a Trinitarian baptism, is it? And how could you be forgiven of your sins by a baptism that wasn't

Trinitarian? Furthermore, if John the Baptist's baptism got that forgiveness, then did they again need to be baptized under the

Christian baptism? Because if they were forgiven, they wouldn't need to get re -baptized because there's one faith, one

Lord, one baptism, Ephesians 4 .5. See? Asking questions.

If they did need to get baptized again, then doesn't that say the first baptism was invalid, which means they weren't baptized and forgiven of their sins?

And so, therefore, the phrase for the forgiveness of sins doesn't mean they would obtain forgiveness of sins. You see the problem?

On the other hand, if baptism for the forgiveness of sins got them forgiveness, did the people who were baptized by John still need to offer sacrifices in the temple?

Because Jesus hadn't been crucified yet, so they're still under the Old Testament law requiring to offer sacrifices.

But if they had been forgiven of their sins, are they still obligated to offer sacrifices? But if that's the case, then that's saying they weren't forgiven of their sins, which would mean that that phrase doesn't mean forgiveness of sins.

You see, there's all kinds of problems. You've got to ask questions. So if it doesn't get anyone forgiveness of sins, does it?

Because in Acts 10, 44 through 48, people are baptized after they're already

Christians and believers. You see, I like to ask questions. I like to ask these questions.

And I've had people tell me more often than you might believe. I don't know. They'll say, you make my head hurt.

Someone just said that yesterday, I think. And there you go. So it's there.

And I get all these other things I could say about all kinds of stuff.

We've got another couple of callers coming in. So we'll be right back after these messages. We'll get to Sam from Michigan, on the sons of God, and Cody up from Ohio on questions about baptism.

We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Look at the Sam from Michigan. Sam, welcome. You're on the air. Hello? Sam?

Yeah, I'm sorry. That's all right. Hey, I have a question to ask you. It's kind of getting away from the topic tonight, but I was wanting to know what's your insight on Genesis chapter six.

When they're talking about the sons of God, was that, some believe that it was procreating with angels, and I want to know what your thought on that would be.

Yeah, that's what I affirm, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men and came into them, and then they produced the

Nephilim. And so one of the things that's important about that text is in Genesis six, nine, these are the records of the generations of Noah.

He was a righteous man, blameless in his generations. So that's a clue, because it looks like the demonic forces were trying to thwart the messianic line by diluting it through this kind of perversion.

And so the flood was to wipe them out. And it mentions that in Genesis six, that Noah's ancestry was pure.

So this lends credence to that view. Plus the Jews taught that this was the view, and also the early

Christians taught the same thing. So that's the view I hold too. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but two things,

I understand what you're saying, but isn't, and with God creating the angels and all that, an angel cannot, how can an angel procreate?

They can't because, you know. Nothing in the Bible says they can or cannot. So we can't assume they can't.

Okay. What we have to do is just something to verify. Well, people say, well, it says they can't marry. You're not given in marriage.

Yeah, it doesn't mean they can't do bad things. So what I look for in scripture is a statement where it's actually stated.

They cannot, you know, become flesh or imitate flesh and have children.

But I don't want to go by what it, you can only prove it by what it doesn't say. I want positives as well, but nothing says it either way.

So we can't say either. Yeah. So that's the thing. But there is a little clue of something else.

This is a clue, and this is out of Daniel 2, 43. And this is the

Nebuchadnezzar statue, and it's dealing with the feet where the iron and clay are mixed in verse 43.

And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seat of men, but they'll not adhere to it.

What does that mean? Yeah. The implication is that it's something is interbreeding in the seat of men, but they're not men, not people.

Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. Well, thank you. You know, I appreciate it.

So you have a blessed night. You too. All right. Good night. Okay.

You too. All right. All right. Now let's get to Cody from Ohio. Cody, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How are you doing? I'm doing all right.

Hanging in there. Just irritating people with baptism studies. But other than that. Yeah. Okay.

So you've been talking about the baptism and Acts, and I'm sure there's other scriptures

I missed you halfway through. But so my wife this year got baptized at our church in the pond.

And as she was getting baptized, the pastor baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. And a woman that was behind me was hollering, you need to baptize in Jesus name.

And, you know, she's flipping out and causing a debacle. What I want to know, and first I'll share my opinion.

And then I definitely want your answer. But what I see is that there's not really any other religion out there that has a

Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. So whenever someone baptizes in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, or in the name of Jesus, there's like, who else could they possibly be baptizing in the name of?

If they don't say Jesus, but they baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. And people get into debates and arguments about whether or not they should be baptized in the name of Jesus or in the name of the

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Well, what's the difference? I'll explain. The woman is in a cult.

The one who said that is in a non -Christian cult. Oneness Pentecostal, United Pentecostal, the oneness people teach that God is not a trinity,

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but he's one person. And there are variations of the view in different denominations where the manifestation of the one person is in different forms.

Some it's modal and some it's just manifestations. And so it's a cult because they deny the true

God. And they also require baptism as necessary for salvation, so that they invalidate the gospel by that.

And what they'll do is, since they deny the trinity, is they say God is only one person, and there's inherent problems with that.

And I've debated it publicly with officials and, you know, pastors and stuff like that. And so the phrase, in the name of Jesus, is how it's said to be in the

New Testament. Because when you do a study, and I'll explain what's going on here, in the name of Jesus, right?

So you'll find this phrase in different places like Acts 4 .18. They speak to teach all in the name of Jesus.

Or you might see it in Acts 5 .40, speak in the name of Jesus, boldly on in the name of Jesus.

That means by the authority of. And then Acts 10 .48, he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

Well, see, what they'll do is they'll say that's the formula you have to go by, the phrase, in the name of Jesus. They do not understand that in the name of Jesus deals with the authority, his name.

It's like saying, stop in the name of the law. You're saying this in that the name itself, that phrase, is to designate the authority that's in Christ.

So when you're baptized in Jesus' name, what you do is you say, I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

That's what it means to baptize in the name of Jesus, because by his authority, he said to do it. That's what's going on.

They fail to get this. And she is a member of a non -Christian cult because that's what they teach. OK.

OK. All right, real quick, those scriptures, Acts 4 .18. What were the other ones?

I just wanted to write them down. Yes, you can go to, for example, Acts 5 .40.

OK, and you can also go to Acts 4 .18 and read the context of Acts 4 .18.

OK, and then they spoke out boldly in the name of Jesus. That's Acts 9 .27.

And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus. That's Acts 10 .48. So what

I would recommend is more. I'd recommend you go to my website, karm .org. OK, and baptism in Jesus' name.

Type it in the search engine, and you can go there and you can see the article that I've written on this.

I don't want to baptize, which is OK. I've got to make sure I get the right, baptize in Jesus' name.

I've got to get that mixture. I thought it was exactly in that baptizing. How should we be baptized? How should we baptize in Jesus' name?

Do we name it the Father, Son, Holy Spirit or in Jesus' name? That's what it is. And man, there we go.

Should we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit or in the name of Jesus? And that's an article

I've written, and I go through this stuff. I wrote it back in December of 2008.

So I go through a lot of these verses, show what it is and explain it. You'll have all the information you need right there.

OK, OK, yeah, I just I definitely for younger people may be listening to us right now.

There's there's not really there's not really a reason to debate whether you use

Jesus' name or the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, because they're all the same. He's three in one. Jesus is his name.

No, no, no, no, no. Jesus is not the name of. OK, the name of God is Yahweh, Jehovah.

Yahweh, right. Which is I am in Exodus 3, 14 and 15.

So Jesus is the name of the second person of the Trinity who became flesh. So that's his name.

Right. OK, our high priest, our high priest. His name is Jesus. Very good. Very good. Yes, that's correct.

OK, yeah, I don't have a lot of it memorized, and that's my fault because I don't write stuff down. You memorize more like in school when you write things down.

And that's OK. People don't do this. I do this all the time. I'm debating this kind of stuff all the time.

So I've been doing it for over 40 years. I memorize this stuff. But you guys don't because you don't do it like that.

That's OK. But that's why the articles are there. So you can go for the reference. Should be baptized in the name of the

Father, Son, Holy Spirit. You just type that in and you'll find it or the name of Jesus. And it'll go through and it'll tell you what you need to know.

And you check it out with Scripture. Check everything out. OK, but the Trinitarian formula is what we need.

That's what Jesus commanded. The Trinity is true. Oneness is not

Christian. It's not Christian. It's a cult. Just like Church of Christ is

United Church of Christ cult. Mormonism called Jehovah's Witnesses called Christian science called a lot of false religions that have arisen in the past couple hundred, 300 years that are just non -Christian cults.

Christadelphianism, another one. And these members of these churches think that they are in the truth.

In fact, I'll tell you a little quick story. I'm going to hold you here at the hospital. And I ended up walking out coincidentally with a guy.

We're both going to our car. We just happened to walk shoulder to shoulder. We got talking and he made a comment.

And I won't get into how it led into it, but he's a Mormon. And I said, oh, Joseph Smith saved my life. I mean, changed my life.

And he said, how? And I said, well, there's a quote I heard where he did. He boasted he did more than even

Jesus to keep a church together. Neither John, Paul, Peter, nor did Jesus ever did such a work as I. That's what he says.

I gave him where it was found. And he didn't like that. And I said, that changed me because I had to study who this guy was.

It caused me to study other things. And I started studying and studying and studying. I've written a lot and do all this stuff.

And I've been doing this for a long time. And I said, I know Mormonism really well. And I said, you know, I'm trying to witness to this guy.

And I said, there's a way to prove Mormonism is false. Absolutely prove it. That's what the book of Abraham, papyri.

And you study that and you'll find out that Joseph Smith lied about how he did it. It's all been documented.

It's all on the web, my website also. You can go check it out. And he said, you're an angry man.

And what was interesting was instead of saying, I'll look at the evidence and the facts.

He attacked my person. This is what cults do instead of looking, they they attack and not all.

Oh, yeah. So if someone were to say to me, look, I can prove to the Trinity is not true.

I say, OK, show it to me. I'm interested. Show it to me from Scripture where it is. Or they can say,

I can prove to you that baptism is always by immersion. OK, show it to me. I'm open to see it because I'm open to see it.

I want to see what the truth is. If someone can prove that Jesus didn't rise from the dead, show me the evidence.

Show it to me. I don't just close my mind and my heart and say, I don't care. You're just mean. I don't do that kind of thing.

And they shouldn't either. They should study anyway. OK. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, we got a lot to learn. Of course, my walk.

We all do, man. I got so much more to learn. Oh, my goodness. I'm just barely getting started. You know, sheesh.

I wish God would give me another hundred years. You got me hopeful for the future. Oh, good, man.

Well, praise God, brother. Praise God. Yeah, well, thanks for taking my call, man. All right.

Well, if I don't talk to you, have a blessed Christmas and a happy New Year to you. You too. Well, God bless.

Thank you. God bless, brother. OK. Perfect timing.

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I hope you were intrigued and challenged by the information on baptism. May the Lord bless you and by his grace back on there tomorrow.