MSL: March 01, 2024

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Mary’s Recorded Words and Following Jesus

Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. And we have two open lines right now.

We've got a caller waiting, another caller coming in. And today's date for the podcasters is February 29th, leap year, 2024. February 29th, 2024. I released an article today. Actually, it's kind of, I think it's an interesting article.

Hold on a sec. Let me go over there. And so I did this study, okay? I started a little bit ago. It was not that big a deal, but you know, the Catholics always, and the doctors always talk about how great Mary is.

So I thought, I wonder, I wonder what she actually said in the Bible. Not what they think she says. And I went through and I found it. And I found one, two, three, four, five, six things that she said.

Now, depending on how you want to categorize stuff, some say six, some say seven, some say more, but it's in the sets. And I showed where it is. And then at the bottom of that article, I put a table in there and found out that, boy, she referenced the Old Testament quite a bit in her, what's called the Magnificat.

I think what's really interesting is that the last recorded words of Mary were whatever he, Jesus, says, okay, whatever he says to you, do it. That's interesting. And I agree with that. Whatever he says, that's what you should do.

And he said, follow me. That's really interesting because I believe that you should follow the Lord Jesus Christ. You should follow him, nobody else. Follow the Lord Jesus because that's what he says.

Follow me. So follow Jesus, okay? Real simple. Hey, I like that kind of stuff, quick and slick. Let's get on the line here on the air with Ivan from California. Ivan, welcome. You're on the air.

How's it going? How's it going, Matt? Can you hear me?

Oh yeah, I hear you fine, man. So what do you got, buddy?

Responding to Skeptical Objections About God’s Knowledge

Okay, right on. So I have a conversation going on a little back and forth, respectful back and forth with a non-believer. Basically, he had presented a question about presuppositionalism and he had been asking, you know, he tried to prove that the Bible is inconsistent because, you know, Christians say that God is all-knowing, yet you can see he doesn't know things because he reacts in such a way like...

You're getting more difficult to.

Understand. You were good and then all of a sudden it's like you're 15 feet from the phone.

Can you try that again? Okay, what about, what about, hold on, let me get...

All right, how about now? Now that's better. There you go. All right. Okay, so go ahead.

Yeah, so he was just saying that, you know, the Lord regretting, I disputed, I dispelled that out, the Lord regretting, and then the fact that, you know, he's not all-powerful and whatnot, and he basically kind of condensed it down to, well, all you're gonna do is, you know, the Bible, the Bible is like, whatever the Bible says, if he reads it a certain way, I'm just gonna say that's not what it means.

And so he kind of just says, this is what the book says, but this is what it actually means. And he kind of just says it's arbitrary in that sense. But I was just wondering how you would go about responding to someone who just says that, basically, because I'm trying to give them the true, the right interpretation where Scripture is not contradictory.

And I told him that instead of turning my back on God and murmuring liar, I come to God and I ask for wisdom, I ask for clarity and to reconcile the Scriptures. But yeah, how would you respond to something like that, like an accusation that I'm just kind of molding Scripture so that it would fit to my.

Beliefs? I'd ask him, and how do you know that? How do you know it? Okay, because then you have to go to the Scriptures and read it and go check it out. It's really simple. So an atheist says, oh, you're just making that interpretation the way you want it to have said.

Well, let's go check it out. Let's go look at it. Is that okay with you? Let's go look, and I'll have you tell me what you think it means. So now what I'm doing is getting the atheist to read God's word, and he's interpreting it.

That's exactly what I want. I want him to do that. Because if he were to say, no, I don't want to do that. Well, then wait a minute. If you say you don't want to do something like that, yet you're saying I'm doing it, just making it up.

Well, how would you know? Shouldn't we go there to see if I'm making it up? Don't you think that's good? Because if you don't want to go there, then you don't know if I'm making it up or not. So why would you say that?

You see? Yeah. Are you there? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I see.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I am going to have that conversation hopefully with him soon. It has been a little bit like a here and there conversation, but I am expecting to have that conversation.

But he was kind of giving me what ifs, like what if the God is this and what if that? And I told him that basically like the what if you're giving me like a list of what ifs. But, you know, and I didn't impress him on it, but I guess I could say that.

How do you know?

Well, well, hold on. Hold on. So if you can, what are the one of the things he said? Well, what if this? That's. I'd like to know what those are. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. That's all right.

So he was just saying, like, what if the God that I have, like, what if essentially there is like some. I mean, he got pretty bizarre, like there's a hold on. Hold on. Just give me a just focus in what what's a one of the one ifs that he said.

So what if there is a technological advancement, you know, far beyond our understanding that just has that grounds, reason and logic and all these things? What if it grounds it? And we just. OK. Wrong.

I'm enabling God. So I'd say so when.

Atheists say that kind of stuff to me, I say so what you're saying is you don't know if it's possible. It might happen. So that's where your hope and your faith is. So, wow, I mean, well, what if there's a bunch of aliens from the Andromeda galaxy that are controlling your mind and making you ask these kind of questions?

What if? I mean, hey, might as well. You know, I guess anything's possible inside the world of what if. Right. Doesn't make any sense. I say, yeah, you don't argue with what you don't have. Argue with what you do have.

Don't say, well, what if this what if that give me something more solid than guesswork and science fiction, because I prefer reality when I'm talking about God. OK. Oh, I see.

OK. Yeah, I'm going to think that I'm going to think it's over. I'm going to get into a dead zone, so I'll cut off. But thank you very much, Matt. Have a good day.

Good call back and give me some more of his what if so we can talk about him. It's really simple to do this with him. OK, just carry it to his conclusion and just a little bit of a little bit of finesse.

But it's not that bad. OK.

Women in Gospel Ministry and the Limits of Church Office

All right. But I will do. All right, brother. That's you.

Oh, all right, man. God bless. All right. Let's get to Spencer from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. How are you doing? Hello. I'm doing all right,.

By God's grace. How are you doing, buddy? Listening to you at the beginning, talking about Mary. My question is, is where do women stand in the ministry of passing the word along to fellowship and getting them to come to Christ?

Where where's their position on that.

In the ministry? Where do they stand? They can do they can do all kinds of stuff. I mean, if there was a woman, if I was driving down the street and I saw a couple of women, for example, on the street corner, I wouldn't want one to be by herself.

And she's got a sign for Jesus out there and she's preaching the gospel. So I pull over. I'm going to say, hello, how are you doing? And introduce myself and find out who they are. And if someone comes up and one of the women starts giving the gospel, I'm going to be sitting there.

Shut up. I'm going to pray. Good for her. No problem. Now, if I met a church, however, and a woman gets up in the pulpit to give a sermon now that then I'm going to say, no, we've got a problem because the Bible says they can't be pastors and elders.

It says they can't. There's there's admonitions on this. In fact, I just I just emailed somebody yesterday at a local church where they have women pastors. And I said, can I talk to somebody about this just to see if they're going to actually respond, which I doubt if they will.

But nevertheless, so that's it. I mean, you know, we want to encourage women to do as much as possible. And we don't want to make them feel as though they're second class citizens because they're certainly not.

They can proclaim the gospel. They can teach. They can equip people. They can do a great many things. They can. It's just that they're not to be pastors and elders. OK, and then where can I locate that in the Bible?

Locate what that you're saying that it shouldn't be. Pastors and elders.

Sure, I can tell it to you. I don't know if you can remember the verses I can tell you, but there's an article on my website about it that you get all the information on the website. So if you go to carm .org and you type in, can women be pastors and elders, you'll find the article and you'll be able to do it right now.

Type in. Can women be pastors and elders? Enter and should or it says should women be pastors and elders? And the answer is no. Real simple. And I go through the scriptures, OK, and I've got them memorized.

There it is right there. And with some objections that they want to raise and the very bad exegesis that a lot of people undergo.

So with that said, so like Joyce Myers and a few of them that I can't remember the names of the other ones, but she stands out. She shouldn't be doing what she's doing. Is that what you're.

Saying? Is that considered a false prophet or? Well, she is a false prophet, but because he's taking his heresy and then I'm not aware of any repentance on some of the things that she's taught that Jesus stopped being the son of God, that Jesus was born again.

Jesus paid for our sins in hell. He went to hell in our place. If you don't believe Jesus went to hell, you can't be saved. We're called little gods. She said she doesn't sin anymore, that the host of hell was literally on Jesus and they were laughing.

You know, she gets revelation knowledge. These are very bad. And some of them disqualify her from being inside the camp of Christ due to her denial of personal work of Christ. So she's a heretic flat out.

And she teaches damnable heresy. Now, here's a question, someone like her, can a woman have a conference? This is a tough one because you have a conference, let's just say a women conference of how to be better wives, better, better Christian women, et cetera, this kind of a thing.

And it's supposed to be for men only go for it. Absolutely. Have a conference. Teach them. All right. All right. Can she have a conference like that if men are present? Now, this gets a little bit more difficult stuff because, well, was it mean to have men present and stuff?

Well, yeah. But it was just only a bunch of women there. And there were some police guys there as guards, you know, just doing security. Well, can she not teach? But it just seems to be going too far to be ridiculous.

So what we know is that women are not to be in teaching authority in the church context. No, that's for sure. So a venue like say she rents someone, rents a building, a speaking place and put an advertisement out.

Well, OK, what if she is teaching about how to program your computer better? No problem. What if she's teaching about the Trinity? OK, if she's an expert in the Trinity and she teaches on it. All right.

As long as she is not claiming ecclesiastical authority, then so far I wouldn't have any problem with that. You see what I'm saying? It's a tough one. We have so many variables today. Yeah. So but they're not to be pastors and elders.

Yeah. Right. I'm sorry. What? OK. No, I like it. So when she's in and in the pulpit teaching you that's that's false. That is definitely false to hold on because we need to take a break. We'll be right back.

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Seven, six. Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying it. And I also hope you're challenged. I know there's a lot of people out there think women pastors and elders are biblical.

Let me just flat out tell you they are not. And I am very dismayed at the apostasy that's occurring in the Christian church in that they allow so many Protestant churches allow women to be pastors and elders in the Bible clearly teaches to the contrary.

And so my recommendation is that if you're attending a church that supports that women pastors and elders, my recommendation is after you tell the staff while you're while why you are leaving, then do so.

OK, just leave. I'm leaving because you have women pastors and elders. It's not biblical. You can go to Karm. You can print up the article to hand out to people. And there's one specifically for that.

And you can say, I'm out of here and just go. That's what I recommend. OK, let's get back to Spencer from North Carolina.

Spencer, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. I'm still here. So with that said, I know the Bible says that in the end times there will be a lot of false prophets and a lot of false teaching. How do we differentiate that in our, you know, going forward in the future?

Because I really feel like we're getting close to these times.

Apostasy, Scripture as Final Authority, and How to Study the Bible

Mm hmm. What's happening is just as the beginning of the fall, the beginning of the apostasy, Satan doubted God's word. So also at the end of everything, people will doubt God's word as a whole. Did God really say they'll doubt the sufficiency of the word of God?

This is happening in the Protestants denominations a lot. The reason I bring up the word Protestant is because I talk a lot to the Eastern Orthodox and to the Roman Catholics. And I say that they already are in apostasy.

But I also add that the Protestant churches are moving that way as well. We don't have the market cornered on truth. Within Protestantism, there is a lot of idiocy and stupidity. And the reason is, is because they're not taking the word of God seriously.

They say they do, but they don't submit everything they do say, speak, feel to God's word and use it as the final authority. Just as the Roman, excuse me, the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox have moved into apostasy because they don't use the word of God as the final authority.

So too, those Protestants who don't use the word of God as a final authority, they do the same thing. You know, the spirit told me that's the final authority. I don't care what you say. I know the Holy Spirit told me he told me this and he told me that that is using your experience as the final authority, not God's word.

And when that happens, apostasy just around the corner, the further you walk. And so how do you get rid of this? How do you stop this? It's simple. You study the word of God. You study it. Now, people don't know how to study the word of God.

They don't even know what the word of God really teaches in a lot of areas. Well, at the risk of sounding egocentric, look at my site. You know, I have had the privilege of being able to study God's word for 40 years, 44 years, actually.

And I write articles daily, always searching the scriptures, always searching the scriptures, always searching the scriptures, always. And so I recommend people, if they want to learn biblical theology, which they need to know, what's the Trinity?

Who's Jesus? Why was he baptized? What is justification? These are the basics of the Christian faith. And most Christians don't know them. And they've been at church for years and they don't know them.

So what I say is go to my articles because I write succinctly, I write briefly, and I write biblically to the best of my ability. Now, my last name's Slick. You've always got to be careful of a guy named Slick.

So I say, check what I say against scripture. Always check what I say against the word of God. But if you can do this, if you don't mind reading articles written by a guy with autism who hyperfocuses and gets to the point quickly and just goes to the word to see what it says, if you don't mind that, you can learn a lot really fast.

And that's what I recommend people do. Another thing you can do very quickly and easily, I wouldn't say very quickly and very easily, but quickly and easily, is to go to the CARM website and look up the Statement of Faith.

The Statement of Faith on CARM is a mini systematic theology. And I'm going to see how many pages it would be if I were to print it up. I'm going to do that just to have an exercise. But I discuss in there and I go through and I need to modify it.

Modify it once every two or three years, just kind of polish it up. But it's got how many sub points? It's got 37 points. Living, heresy, marriage, eternal judgment, evangelism, church officers, church membership, free will, eternal security, divine election, salvation, baptism, atonement.

And so I go through and what I do is I give the statements with affirmations, usually affirmations and denials with scripture. And all you have to do is go to the website and look and just put your mouse over the scripture reference and a window pops open and you can read it.

And so it's right there. It's so easy. And I recommend that people study it, not because what I say is great, but because it's basic and go through it. I've had a lot of people tell me over the years that they've used that Statement of Faith as a teaching tool for people.

I know that missionaries in Africa have done this. They print up the Statement of Faith and they just teach from it. And they're able to give people a very good, succinct, yet sufficient Statement of Faith on biblical theology.

So that's another way to do stuff. And then just to toot their own carom horn here, we have three schools, online schools. I don't mention them very often, but we charge $33 a piece for them. And for whoever can't afford them, you just email us and say you can't afford them.

Can you have them for free? We can do for free. We don't care, but we do use them to keep the lights on. So the point I'm trying to make here is that there's ways to learn and people need to learn. But it seems to me I get the impression that people go to church.

They simply want to be babysat and pre-tribulation rapture. Jesus is going to come back. He's a gentleman. It's up to you. And don't worry about it. Things will work out fine. And that's it. You know, stuff like that.

A lot of problems there. Okay. I could go on a lot about this.

Right. So just real quick, one more question. What Bible, there's so many out there, the King James, the New Revised, what Bible should one who's wanting to learn more about the Bible study?

And is there a way to cross-reference that? Sure. I recommend that people get probably three Bibles and the NASB, which is in my opinion, the most accurate and in the Greek to English, that is. And some people may disagree, but that's what I believe.

And so I recommend that people check that out. And the ESV is pretty good. And the, you know, the New King James is pretty good. It's just wise to have, you know, three versions and you go through and you check.

And then there's online, there's something called the Blue Letter Bible. It's called blueletterbible .com. And I use it not so much for research because I have everything I need, but what I use, I go there and I will find things.

I link them to articles so that people can check further information out. So there's good sources right there. Okay, buddy, we've got a break coming up. Yeah. What was the second one real quick? ESV. Yes, sir.

The NASB, ESV and New King James are good. Do well with those. Okay, we've got a break. So hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. You can also email me at info at CARM .org, info at CARM .org.

And in the subject line, just put radio comments or radio questions and I'll get to them. All right, let's get to Ryan from Ohio. Ryan, welcome. You're on the air. Good evening, Matt. It's Ryan from Ohio.

Hey, how are you doing, buddy? So what do you got? Well, my question concerns.

Satan, Judas, and the Question of Evil Thoughts

Spiritual warfare and spiritual warfare at a personal level, not, you know, spiritual warfare like we're seeing all over the world right now. But is it possible? And, you know, we're in a discussion group.

We've been talking about this. Or in a believer, in a saved born again believer's mind, for Satan to ever plant a seed of a thought, of a negative thought or destructive thought that could be, you know, lead to something else?

Or is that impossible for Satan to plant a seed in a.

Person's mind like that? I'm trying to find a verse. In the back of my head, Satan put something like that. I'm trying to remember if it's in there. Maybe someone in one of the chat rooms could, if they know the verse.

Go ahead.

And where, you know, he definitely seemed like he put a thought in Judas's mind. Right. He, uh, in the garden, the serpent was speaking directly to Eve. So I don't know if that's really putting a thought in somebody's mind or not, but he's certainly an influence.

Can he actually put a thought in your mind? I don't know. The devil having already put into the heart of Judas to betray him. Now that's John 13 too. But we, I think it's after that, that is interesting.

Uh, that's right. John 13. That's right. Okay. Interesting. Okay. Here we go. This is interesting. So, uh, John 13, two, it says that Satan, uh, moved him to do something, but I'll get to that again in a 1327, it says Satan and entered him.

So in 13, let's go back up to 13. Come on. Here we go. Where'd it go? 13 to during the supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon to betray him. So it would seem to be the case.

Uh, okay. I'm looking at some other references. Okay. So it does seem to be the case that, that Satan definitely influenced influenced Judas. Now it says put into his heart. I think that's, uh, into his mind, uh, to betray Jesus.

And so it would seem that yes, this kind of thing can be done. And then later in 1327, Jesus, I mean, Satan enters, uh, into, uh, into Judas. So we can see that this is happening before the possession.

All right. So now the question is, what about believers? Can Satan do this to believers? And that's the.

Question that he entered into Judas, he entered into Judas and a Christian cannot be demon possessed, right? Possessed by a fallen angel. But, but, you know, uh, Judas may not have really been.

What we would consider a Christian, right? Well, here's another, here's another, uh, thing. Um, this is really good. This'd be a good, good article for me to write, uh, and for a different perspective.

So in Acts chapter five, it says, uh, it's where'd it go? Where'd it go? It says, uh, in verse three, Peter said to Ananias, Ananias and Sapphira, you know, they sold the land and lied about stuff. Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy spirit?

So now I'm looking at it across references. Uh, okay. And, uh, all right. And there we got that in that. So now here's a question, uh, was, see, it's good. Everything, nothing's easy. Sometimes we're, we're Ananias and Sapphira saved.

So they were, you know, if they were members of the early.

Church. And weren't they there when the Holy spirit came upon people and everything and did the,.

You know, they just, if that's the case, then we could say that, uh, that even as Christians, they could have their minds be filled with, with evil by the evil one. If they were never Christians to begin with, then we can't say officially that a Christian can have that happen.

So what I'm doing first is looking at the scriptures, trying to figure out what the say in this regard. And, uh, and so the next, okay. So I don't see anything, but you know, on the other hand, you know, I'll be vacuuming, watching dishes, whatever.

And all of a sudden I'll get this evil thought in my mind, like, what the heck was that? It doesn't happen very often, but I'm sitting there going, what's, what's going on. So, you know, there's lots of possibilities.

One is a logical possibility as in what can be done potentially is that Satan actually whispered something into my mind, my heart, whatever it is, however that works. And I thought something I shouldn't have thought.

Okay. Or I don't, I don't need Satan to be bad. I'm pretty bad on my own. My heart's wicked, deceitful. Okay. And, and, uh, so maybe I'm just washing dishes and I'm cleaning a glass or something. And for some reason that triggers a thought because of associations of my past life.

Who knows? There are just so many variables that we really can't say, Oh, this does mean this, that does not mean that. And so I know this, Satan can't indwell a believer. All right. And I would say that the, the verdict is out on whether or not he can cause us or influence influence us in our thoughts to think something bad.

I would say he could do it through external means for sure. In that, uh, you can go to somebody's house who's a pagan and they might have some naughty pictures and stuff going around on TV and stuff and that can influence you.

And so, you know, so there's external means, but the inside your brain or the heart, that one, I just, I don't have a great answer. I wish I did.

Well, certainly. And I agree with you, you know, you can be, and that's one of the things that makes me think that it is possible where I will be sitting, concentrating, focusing on something it, even in church, sitting and listening to a sermon and I'm focused on the sermon, I'm taking notes and all of a sudden you'll get a terrible thought.

And it's like, where did that come from? And we're, we're reading a book right now in a, in our, our home group by Neil T. Anderson called the bondage breaker about that. And so the argument is, can he, can he obvious, you know, I don't know that he can read your mind, but can you a thought in there?

Obviously we're influenced by the world. We're influenced. If we go somewhere, like you said, and there's something bad on TV or there's, or you see something bad and it can trigger a thought being up from a fallen nature and in a fallen world.

But yeah. So, so I guess what I'm hearing you say then Matt is there maybe isn't really a clear answer as to whether or not he can put a, just a tad bit of a thought into a believer's brain, or if that's just coming from.

Our fallen nature. Yes. Close to what I would say. I would say from what I've seen in my study of scripture, I've not come to an absolute conclusion because I don't think the Bible tells us, but there might be someone out there who knows something about this.

Who's listening and say, Matt, you're missing this one verse and whatever. And then they could call me up or email me or whatever and say, Hey, you missed this. Cause I don't know everything, but I've not seen anything like that in scripture.

And so it's interesting, you know, and it's a good question. And like I do sometimes, what I, what I do is guess my way around the topic in order to say, I don't know, you know, because sometimes, you know, all right.

Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Oh, sure. No problem, man. Hope, hope it, well, I hope it helped you. It doesn't sound like.

It really did, but I hope it does help. Appreciate you. Appreciate your program too. So thank you.

All right, man. Have a great evening. God bless her. You too. All right. Bye. You know, so what I'm talking to him while I'm talking to him, I actually open up my file where I do questions and I wrote, can Satan put thoughts in a Christian's mind?

And I, I put in my notes, I was finding right away, you know, in John 13, 27 or 13, two and 13, 27. And because maybe we'll just write an article on something like that and just come up to the point of saying, I don't know, you know, cause I don't, that kind of frustrates me because I kind of like the idea of being able to answer people's questions.

I've always liked that. I've always liked that even as a kid, I just like, well, there's the answer to that. Cause I've always, well, in school, I was, you know, a little bit ahead of the average person because I just was able to do things quickly and easily and figure things out, you know, logically and science and math.

And so I got in this habit of, of helping people and teaching them very early on, even in elementary school, uh, you know, and stuff. I remember it was either a first grade or the second grade just to do it.

I wrote out numbers from one to a thousand just to do it. And, uh, I love science man and math. I always loved it. So I was always helping people. I love doing that with theology too, but sometimes I just don't have an answer.

Anxiety, Demonic Influence, and Prayer for Healing

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call 877 -207 -2276. Let's get to Nadja from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi, how are you? Good. Good night.

You're making a left turn or right turn? A left. That's what I thought. Okay. I don't know why. I just wanted to, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Go ahead. I just wanted to share an experience. Um, so I, um, I've been raised, you know, a Christian Baptist, largely a believer, um, and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And, um, I didn't realize until recently that maybe I wasn't saved or, or, um, I don't know.

I guess that's the best way I can put it. Anyway, I had fallen sick about three years ago. I'm still dealing with it. And, um, I had a bunch of crazy symptoms coming and going and coming and going, and I'm a mother of five, so it's hard to be sick.

Um, and so I, I just listened to my word, of course. And that's all I knew. I, um, I realized that, you know, I really haven't given my life or given the Lord over my life, like, you know, purposefully.

Um, and so I realized that, and I said, okay, Lord, I give you my life. I give you access. And I invited him in. And so about three or four weeks after that, I had an experience. I was listening to a testimony, um, of someone, um, that my mom had sent me.

And, um, uh, I, while listening to this testimony, I paused and I, I, something just moved me up. And I was, I began just praising God. Um, my arms were up. I could not put them down and I praise and praise and praise.

I had three kids home at the time. Um, so they came downstairs to the basement, like what's mom doing? And I just couldn't stop praising. And then I was thrown to the floor on hands and knees, head down, praising God.