Geisler's Farmer Example on the Dividing Line

Uh... to denver. Hello denver.

I appreciate you but you had her. Yes. Where norman geisler just recently and it's funny because what you just. And when you change that that he's giving it sounds like he's still blind to how they see the man centeredness of their thinking.

Geisler's analogy. Folded his arms and just watched him drown.

That's true. That's true. I i don't uh... i i wish there was some way to get norm to to listen to the the the corrections we've attempted to offer. But as you can tell by the response it was given uh... i do honestly believe that from doctor geisler's perspective to even uh... merits my response with uh... him reading it himself or seriously interacting with it is to give me way too much respect.

Uh... you need to understand that part of this is simply to disrespect me part.

Part of.

His defense of irving canner has been simply to disrespect me as well. So uh... i don't know what it would take it would take someone older than him with a bigger name than him to but but even then he has defended this for so long now that i don't know that whatever you put in the pond or whatever illustration you know i tried to i tried to to to make the change to you know the king and and and so just that the good old boy farmer and and so on so i was great.

Yeah he he's when you've defended almighty nature of man's autonomy for as long as norm geisler has i don't know that there's any hearing a correction of it after a while. I i i that's a scary thing to say.

When you talk about the character of god according to geisler's perspective it's not all loving creatures equally. Or that he never extended salvation to the angels and so.

Maybe somebody last. I would. Uh... i think that's an excellent question to ask. Uh... i could i could. Guess a response to the promise response would have to borrow from my own response. Otherwise i guess his response to be that there is a difference between god's love for the angelic rome and that of the human realm but that immediately introduces a distinction god's love which his view of omnibenevolence denies to begin with.

So i don't know i don't know how you respond to it. Good question. Very good ever.

Recommended Books on Presuppositional Apologetics

I appreciate that. Could you recommend christian in december. And i love your work. I cannot thank you enough for what you've put out. What books could you point me to for standing of apologetics.

Uh... well uh... i are uh... we make available called always ready uh... which is really really good on that subject. Uh... and uh... if you uh... look at jamon hubner's blog he's one of my bloggers uh... you'll if you just put in his uh... his name pull up his blog.

I think he has a pretty extensive bibliography listed either in his blogger on the website itself on that particular subject. But uh... if you start with always ready and uh... and move move up from there i wouldn't suggest starting with van till uh... for example because he just wasn't a good writer in english it wasn't his native language and a lot of people find it very difficult to follow.

But there have been a number of people who've interpreted vento. And always ready i think is one of the one of the friendliest introductions. Get your feet wet gets you foundation. Then you can move on from there to start looking at boston in frame and and people like that and and move up to the end.

So from there. Thank you so much. God bless. Thanks. Thanks for calling us.