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- Well, I think that we need to be careful that we do not make just a general statement that God's going to sort of win at the end the fulfillment of predestination because the term as used in scripture
- 00:12
- We keep hearing terms about free will and I I'll ask again. Where's the Bible talk about man's free will
- 00:18
- I it talks about man's inabilities. No man is able to do this. No man can submit himself to law of God No man can hear the words of God unless he belongs to God Where are the passages that talk about free will that man has an autonomous free will?
- 00:29
- I know where the passages are where God has a free will. He does whatever pleases him. Well, I'll ask
- 00:34
- I'll ask that one So but but I would just I would just point out that the the concept of predestination is very personal in scripture
- 00:43
- It's not just some theological construct But it is very personal God knows us that foreknowing that is found in Romans 8 that you started the program with is a very personal thing from eternity he enters into a
- 00:55
- Relationship we didn't even exist yet. And yet from God's perspective There is certainty as to what he's going to do and bring us unto himself
- 01:03
- That's why the objections are raised in Romans chapter 9 the very objections that people have
- 01:09
- Against this doctrine are the ones that Paul responds to and when he responds to them
- 01:14
- He says in essence, what shall we say? Is there any unrighteousness with God may it never be for to Moses?
- 01:21
- He says I will and it's literally it's not I will have mercy mercy is a verb in Greek I will mercy whom
- 01:28
- I will mercy and I will harden who I will harden. Okay? I'm just looking at your
- 01:33
- Bible down there. Is it all in Greek? Yes. Oh Very impressed. Okay Well, so, you know
- 01:39
- The whole point is that this this idea of having mercy and having compassion He himself says therefore verse 16.
- 01:47
- It is not of the one willing Nor of the one running or struggling or trying but of the mercy in God So when when
- 01:56
- Paul answers this question he places it squarely in the mercying action of God not in the will of man and That's I think we need to focus upon in in looking at these texts, right?
- 02:08
- Patricia I'm gonna let you go. Thank you so much for phoning. Thank you. God bless. Okay, Edward.
- 02:15
- Let me come back because James said that I don't know of any scriptures which talk of man's free will.
- 02:21
- Yes Well, I would think I'll bring it down to the way it is interpreted.
- 02:27
- I think it is the issue about Interpretation that we are talking about here because when
- 02:32
- I was speaking I was talking about right from the time of the Garden of Eden man was told that he's not supposed to eat the fruit of the tree of The tree that was in the garden in other words
- 02:48
- He could eat the fruit the consequences the day you eat it. You are going to die in other words
- 02:55
- It is just like any other scripture if I say touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm
- 03:01
- It means that the anointed could be touched But don't touch them.
- 03:06
- So if he says don't eat the fruit of the tree It means that fruit could be eaten and now man wanting to eat the fruit or man not wanting to eat the fruit
- 03:17
- That is where the issue about will comes in and so I will not say that there is a scripture
- 03:24
- Particularly love saying that well man's will, you know could be exercised the way that comes into Choice of getting taking
- 03:33
- God in salvation or not But God has given us this thing which makes us that's why
- 03:40
- Moses was telling the Israelites it's choose Whom you will serve? Joshua said the same thing is asked for me and my house
