October 12, 2004

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now at 602 9 7 3 4 6 0 2 or toll-free across the United States. It's 1 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. And now with today's topic here is James white.

Travel Updates and Upcoming Speaking Trips

And good morning. Good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line. It is the 12th of October. Managed to get to Little Rock and back as a fast trip had a wonderful time with Pastor Lance Quinn and the folks at the Bible Church of Little Rock never saw them the Sun other than when we climbed above the clouds.

That was a rough flight out of especially out of Little Rock into Dallas on one of those little puddle jumper jets because we were going right through the clouds and. Man, that was like a a little mini trip to six flags.

Hadn't hadn't felt myself pushing against the the seatbelt that much. There were a couple drops there that were they were pretty intense. But anyway, we we had a good time with the folks it was one of the Sundays when they have their care groups in the evening.

So I only got to preach once and and then flew right back out again. So we're headed to Edmond, Oklahoma this coming weekend one thing Saturday. Preaching all day Sunday and then doing stuff with the staff on Monday get home Tuesday.

That means next Tuesday. We won't be doing the dividing line in the morning. I don't know if it's possible to do it in the afternoon. I'll be back around 1230 on a Tuesday, so I'll see if He who runs things on the other side of the wall is able to do anything In the afternoon to your quarter.

It's I'm not well, then no one I could do it Because I just I'm not not showing out anything, you know, a quarter saved as a quarter earned or something like that, but yeah, we'll probably do something in the afternoon anyways, and.

So that's that's we'll be doing then and then actually I'm actually get to go to my own church the weekend after that and then. And well, that's odd. Oh, you're in channel twice. That's great. Had the wrong window open for the wrong person anyway, and then we got that Peoria, Illinois suburb of Chicago.

And.

Then we will be heading to Los Angeles and If you want to get those rates Isn't isn't that isn't doesn't the rate go up again like three days from now something like that or whatever the rates they're charging.

Yeah, we're looking at an increase on the 15th 15 to whatever the Sheraton would normally charge and on that same day that We extended the September pre purchase ticket prices As well into the 15th, so on October 15th.

Yeah.

The ticket prices are gonna go up as well as the rates at the Sheraton.

So get them get them now. I'm to get it taken care of those of you who are procrastinators and that's the majority of you need to. To get that taken taken care of eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one eight seven seven seven five three Three three four one the details on those trips and stuff are at a omen org slash Calendar dot html if you would like to get details, and if you're in those areas.

It's always nice to meet folks who come in. And it was very nice to meet folks there at at the Bible Church Little Rock they had a bunch of The God who justifies and solo scripture alone. And it was really neat to see all those paths stacked up next to each other because they use a similar Layout on the cover just different colors, and so it was you know the red and the blue it almost looked political the red the red books and the blue books and.

Political Commentary and Federal Vision Concerns

So that was mmm that was sort of well if you didn't get that don't worry about. We did have wonderful news that I do need to mention this because I was I was driving back from Helping my son pick up his His car actually it's the passed-down car.

It's the car that now my daughter's gonna start driving. It's the it's the Nissan Sentra that cannot die it it's got about a quarter million miles on it and He's he's stalled that engine how many times he stalled that engine by overheating it at least twice that I know of.

Where it just died from from from from too much heat, but it keeps going. Just it passes emissions, and it gets good gas mileage, and I would someday I'm gonna have to take that poor car out in the desert and take my M500 to it to kill it because it's just that it just won't die and.

So anyway, we were we're coming back from that. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh yes to Rush Limbaugh and.

In.

Fact I saw a bumper sticker on line I was looking for political bumper stickers though I don't have any of my car cuz man you know the people on a certain side of this election like shoot up the headquarters of the other side and and send Union thugs in to beat people up and and Flatten your tires and key your cars if you have the wrong bumper stick.

I mean, it's nasty out there, and we're the ones with the guns. But I saw a I saw a bumper sticker that said even on drugs rush is right. Had to chuckle about but anyway What was what in the world was I talking about.

Oh? Politicals oh oh and rush was announced and this is really exciting folks. I mean you need to listen in here Johnny Edwards. Johnny Edwards has informed us this morning that if we will simply elect John Kerry People will be getting out of their wheelchairs in other words John Kerry is going to become a TV and He didn't say that but that's the only way I could figure this out is that they were politicizing worse.

And I knew this was gonna happen as soon as I saw the Christopher even passed away. I knew that this was gonna be happening and My daughter's gonna have a have a cow when she finds out what's being said especially about the stem cell stuff, but anyway We were informed this morning by Johnny Edwards that That once John Kerry is president people will be walking because of stem cell research and of course.

That's that's the biggest crock on the planet, and it just it just makes me sick that That people would be so crass and and so stupid as to say things like that but anyway, that's what's going on out there in the in the political arena and and.

It.

You know stranger things have happened. I can just see ten years down the road turning on the Trinity Broadcasting Network and and there's John Kerry and John Edwards are on the road, and they're they're doing faith healing with Benny Hinn.

Hey, you know. What else what other weird stuff can happen on this in this world. It's just I didn't think we'd be. We'd be dealing with a lot of the stuff that we're dealing with but that's that's what's going on.

Norman Shepherd, N.T. Wright, and the Federal Vision

Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. You know when your debate preparation starts getting repetitious. You've probably figured out. What's going on. You've probably got the other position down fairly well.

And it's getting repetitious. I'm I've got all this federal vision stuff around me, and you know what's really weird. Do y 'all remember some. Well some of you don't because some of you have only started listening recently.

But some of you have been listening for at least a year now. Oh. That's odd. First of all that's not how it's spelled. Let me tell you. That's how it's spelled.

Yeah.

Anyway about a year ago We started talking. What was it November? I think it was about November a year ago. I hope it wasn't two years ago if so that's really going to be a Tremendous indication of just how fast I'm aging, but it was about a year ago.

Maybe two that we started talking about some of the federal vision stuff and I Mentioned at that time. Having listened to Schlissel and Wilson and some of the others at the 2002 Especially Schlissel's conclusions about what justification are and I was just looking at a another article.

He's written and man honestly a Person who listens to NT right and a person and his conclusions if you read the end of what st Paul really said and then you read what Schlissel saying you're gonna go.

Okay, they may have taken different routes to get here. But their their conclusions are the same as to what the gospel is it's the inclusion of the Gentiles in the Covenant now of course the issue of the nature of the Covenant and what the Covenant is based on and What better means in regards to the Covenant is still left hanging out there and just isn't even discussed, but anyway.

More and more connections. And I had people coming down to me because I pointed out these connections. I said now these people are coming from different directions. And you know Doug Wilson has criticized elements of new perspectivism.

And they put out a special Credenda agenda issue on it and we talked about that in the program and did some blog stuff and and things like that. So it had to have been just last year because we haven't been blogging for a full year yet we're coming up on that real real soon and So, you know people were writing in and saying I you know You don't understand what you're talking about and that's not fair and all the rest of it, and I was just saying you know when you come To conclusions that say the same things.

Okay, you came from different perspectives. There's no question that N .T. Wright is coming at this from a different perspective than Schlissel is. But when you end up saying the same thing at the end of the day the path you got there might be interesting for historians, but you're still saying the same thing and it's fascinating as part of you know wanting to have a Full understanding of the exactly what all the federal visionists are saying and man some of these folks are saying some odd things.

There's stuff that's going under the radar under the the moniker of of the federal vision very odd stuff. Including you know stuff about regeneration and totally redefining the words and all the rest of stuff.

But I've been reading Norman Shepard, and if you're you've heard the name, I think I can give you now the 32nd Boiled down here's what Norman Shepard is all about version. Which I had never really heard anybody do but it's pretty simple to do actually and then I'm I have since discovered other people have once I figured out myself, but Boil it all down.

What Norman Shepard says is that the time the Reformation the Reformers? Functioned on a faith grace paradigm and then over the next hundred and fifty years Reformed Orthodoxy came in and shifted back to the Roman Catholic works merit paradigm while maintaining a belief in justification by faith and sovereign grace the result is a mishmash a inconsistent view on the part of Reformed Orthodoxy and This results in Shepard's Disagreement with and rejection of the concept of the imputation of the act of obedience of Christ.

And if you go Pope where that come from you might be going well. Wait a minute that was one of the issues when you were doing the stuff on Mark Seyfried there you go. That's true, and of course the what then do we end up with in new perspectivism is the total Jettisoning jettisoning of the whole concept of imputation, and there's a difference.

We need to recognize the difference between jettisoning all of imputation and jettisoning part of imputation. There are different reasons for that. But you start reading this stuff and you start going wow that person's saying the same thing that that person over there is saying.

That person is connected with that person over there, and and I don't even know that those people know they're connected with one another. It's just it's fascinating to see all this stuff. It truly is and so there's your brief rundown it was probably more than 30 seconds, but of Norman Shepard, and he really does believe.

I think that he is defending the Reformation against a Change in the Reformation that is detrimental. It's back toward Rome this idea of works merit the idea being That that's where the problem with the Covenant of Works comes in and whether the Covenant of Works is a gracious governor not a governor all the rest that fun stuff, so reading stuff like that, but then You know this will tell you and we have one line taken and that means we've got lines open at eight seven seven seven five Three three three four one.

I think we always do but Some of the rhetoric, and I posted some of this rhetoric on the blog this week.

Federal Vision Rhetoric and the Reformed Baptist Response

And.

Some people got upset that I actually quoted somebody in context and some of these federal visionists like Steve Schlissel are pretty in your face with what they say and People wonder you know why should I care about this.

Because a lot of the issues Let's face it a lot of the issues are inter-presbyterian issues the Reformed Baptists.

Cannot.

Spin off federal visionists. It's not possible. You would have to simply Abandon the London Baptist Confession because of what it says to hold these positions. You just would. That's just all there is to it.

And so this isn't an issue amongst Reformed Baptists. It can't be because of our view of the New Covenant and Even though we are the London Baptist Confession is covenantal in its view. Because of its view of the New Covenant it this just doesn't fit within our paradigm.

That's just all there is to it. So people will still say so then why are you worried about all of this stuff? Let me read you just one.

One.

Maybe maybe two. Paragraphs here to give you an idea of of what I mean. This is from a book called the federal vision edited by Steve Wilkins and Dwayne Garner. Published by Athanasius Press out of Monroe, Louisiana.

Do you wonder was from? This Steve Schlissel's chapter in this book page 244.

It's.

328 do you know where your verses are is the subtitle and. You know, it is fun coming up with those really funny Subtitle type things but let me just say something if if any of these books start getting close To Scott Hahn's book on Mary.

I'm gonna go ballistic. I'm gonna go postal. That's just all there is to it. Okay, so let's just this is you know, this is about as close as we can get. It's 328. Do you know know where your verses are?

Galatians 328 and Romans 328 our verses which have oft been extorted from their contexts stripped of their authors intent dressed in the style of their captors and reduced to servitude in contrived systems.

If anyone should speak of restoring the verses to their original settings the taskmasters scurry to their battlements and snipe. That's understandable I suppose. After all it's hard to find good servants.

Their lords are loath to let them go. That's that's Steve Schlissel and I mentioned in Speaking of him on my blog. I was reading or posting quotes from him in his response to Reverend Phillips. That were just simply.

Well.

In your face, okay. That's all there was to it. They're rhetorical. They're you know if I leave this place believing such-and-so will someone please shoot me and and you know, just just well, just sort of how Steve Schlissel tends to write at times and he gets very Excited and I've had a lot of folks who are in that movement say well, you just have to understand He's he's Jewish and as if that somehow that almost racist statement actually meant something.

But anyway You read this stuff and and you go, you know when you realize that What's being said here is? in reference to Those statements from the Auburn Avenue Conferences where he identified Luther's statement.

The justification is the the article the standing or falling church, that's who we and hogwash and That justification is nothing more than Jews and Gentiles together in one Covenant. Then you know who he's talking about here.

He's talking about pretty much the entirety of Protestant Orthodoxy and certainly Warfield and Murray and and all these people and certainly I would fall in that category.

And.

So when you read that and you you see yourself in essence and and those that you Believe to have been great servants of God described as taskmasters a scurrying their battlements and sniping and the idea of extorting scripture texts and stripping them of their authors intent and Dressing them in the style of their captors and then of course as soon as you as you try to Go well, let's go into the context and let's do some exegesis here.

What you get is. Oh you Hellenist Seeking for the you're you're you're just proof texting. You've got to listen to story. It's narrative. It's not just text and and you never get anywhere so there really doesn't seem to be a whole lot you can do about that particular situation other than just simply say That's not really how it works.

And and but it's very frustrating to read this stuff because I'm used to reading this stuff except when I read it for the past Decade and a half it was by Roman Catholics. It was the Roman Catholics who were saying those things and as part of their apologetic against justification by grace through faith alone.

Forensic justification the imputation the righteousness of Christ now. That's not that's to be expected. And now you get all these other folks who you thought were, you know Fighting alongside you and actually you've got incoming from their direction now, too.

And it's like whoa, that's really odd. And if you say that then How dare you say that? If you just heard me saying that these people are are Actually just you know Roman Catholics hiding or something.

I didn't say that I said now all of a sudden these same issues are being addressed in the same way and Somehow we are precluded and told we're mean-spirited nasty and terrible if we dare mention that.

But it's true, you know instead of you know, okay, go ahead and call me nasty for mentioning it. Now will you deal with the reality of what I said? Is that not true? Is that not the same objections that have been made being made for a long period of time?

How does yours differ what's what's the what's the difference here and so anyway Han is the living embodiment Misspelled but it's spelled embodiment of the phrase more Catholic than the Pope even uses a new Catholic deodorant Which is spelled incorrectly as well.

Well, that's All I was talking about if you didn't see it if you didn't hear it You can go back in the archives and straight gate and listen to the review. I did of his book on Mary. It had the most cheesy Campy Horrible subtitles that were just I mean fourth grade Bad humor.

It was that's what I was referring to. So anyway Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one is the phone number that Brian in Cincinnati called. Hello, Brian. How are you good James? How are you?

Plagiarism in Preaching and Pragmatic Ministry

I'm pretty good. Who's being killed in the background. My two-year-old daughter your two-year-old your daughter is in the background. Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. She's on her way upstairs. Hey, thanks for taking.

It's not like she was coming downstairs way too fast there for a second. Yeah, right.

I've got a I'd love to get your comments on something. That is. It looks like it's epidemic and it's really surprised me in the last few months. It seems that and I'm not going to name denominations because I'm sure it did crosses denominations.

But it seems to me that there's an enormous amount of plagiarism happening with ministers and I Got my hands on a CD of a recent message by a local Baptist minister. Again I won't name the particular church, but you know, it sounded a little bit I don't know for some reason.

I just felt like doing a Google and some of the phrases I heard. And I found multiple websites with his message exact points exact translators that were used. You know the fact that I'm seeing this all over the plaque and I I know your ministry.

Am I just late to the dance here? Honestly, I I heard someone talking about this weekend.

In fact, they talked about someone who had been dismissed from their church about it. And and I was like, oh, that's that's interesting. It's not something that I've done any reading on. It's not something that that, you know strikes me as as being overly surprising in light of well, look at how many churches have have done the the PDL stuff and and the the days of purpose stuff and as result part of part of the The idea is that you do what works and if sermon X works in 80 of the churches and an 80 of the population then use sermon X and.

So it doesn't surprise me a whole lot on on that level. Especially because the fact that once you're pragmatically driven in your view of the church and your view of preaching the view of the ministry.

There really isn't anything wrong with that. I mean, why not? Use a you know, I canned sermon that someone else has developed and if it's going to work as long as the the result is You know X amount of success then that's what people are going to do and you know, it's funny I was mentioning over the weekend to the fine pastor I was with that we do some odd things at our church and one of the things is that we we go through the Psalter on Wednesday evenings and I've noticed I've known for years that Don Frye when he does that He never Keeps his notes.

And so even though we've gone through the Psalter over and over and over and over again. He never keeps his notes. So when he comes back to Psalm 47 having been through Psalm 47, you know a dozen times before.

He's not looking back at something that he did before he's approaching it fresh again. In fact, I mentioned that when when my fellow elder turned 60 he decided he needed a new challenge. And so he stopped using notes at all.

He does not carry notes into the pulpit. So he has to know what he's worked on all week. So well that even the cross references and extra references and things like that. That's all a part of something that he studied now, of course what that one of the problems here is is That in a Reformed Baptist Church, you don't have 16 million Programs going on and the elder who's preaching is not the CEO.

He's actually in his job is actually to preach and It would be impossible for most pastors in most churches who are Involved much more with Politics and running programs and keeping things together. It would be impossible for them to do the kind of preaching that is done in our church simply because they are Responsible for so much more and so once you once.

Over the.

Generations over the decades. Anyways, the idea of the pastor has evolved away from an exegete and let's face it Brian in most seminaries today a lot of seminaries are dropping original language studies as Requirements or just reducing them to how to use you know a computer program that will let you look up a word or do a word Search or something like that.

Once you don't even have classes on hermeneutics anymore then the people coming out of that are not going to be people who are going to be taking any kind of and I use this term the proper way pride in Handling the Word of God and working hard on the Word of God anyways, and so why not go grab somebody else's material that resulted in X number of baptisms and.

You know.

Why not do that? There's the the the stigma of that. Would only be if you tell people that you're not but you are. If you're just open and saying, you know what. I use all sorts of online resources and.

You know, I look at what a lot of people say then for most people would be like who cares, you know. That's great as long as it works. So in a pragmatic world.

Who would care.

You know who would who would really have a basis for saying that that's wrong. Of course from my perspective, but I recognize. Hey, I am out of the mainstream. I am NOT in the mainstream. There is no absolutely no question about it.

I ain't the mainstream and ain't looking at getting back into it. Anyways, so that is interesting and. But it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Really doesn't. Yeah. Well, I appreciate your comments.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.

So I can't comment on how widespread is because I really honestly don't know. I just I have no concept because When I travel I it's because I'm going someplace to speak. So I don't the only person I really get to hear preach very often is is on fries.

So either I'm the one doing the preaching which is which is a really depressing thing. Or I get to hear someone who really knows what they're doing. So I I really don't keep up with that kind of stuff and so I don't know how widespread it is.

But it would not surprise me in the slightest. Yeah. Well, hey, thank you again. Okay, right. All right. God bless. Eight seven seven seven five three thirty three. Forty-one. Let's talk with John. Hi, John.

The Sufficiency of Scripture and God’s Guidance

Hey, Dr. White. How are you? Oh, hey, John. How are you? Very very good. Oh, jolly good. I missed your call. Oh, I tried to give you a call when I was the airport. Yeah, I was sleeping I wasn't gonna take the tube, you know, I can't take the tube all the way to Little Rock.

You know the tube is a oh, yeah I found out about that because I'm going to England in March, you know. And and they said that we could probably take the tube someplace and I thought oh that's do I have to carry the tube?

Is it a big tube? What color is the tube? And then they I realized it was it was the subway. Yeah, absolutely, right. Oh, it's really good. Yeah, it's really good. I.

Tell you what, I wanted to give a comment about your new book Scripture alone. I thought it was fantastic. It is fantastic and I'm recommending it left right and center to all the folks at our church.

People on the left ain't gonna like it. No.

But that's okay, that's all right, it's a phenomenal what you attempted to do. I think you did so so well and it's I mean I read it thinking I don't need to write a book on this subject. This is it.

You know, you know the last person who said that to me was was Hank anagraph. Every every time I every every time I'm on. In fact, I've heard him even when I wasn't on. People would call in about the King James only controversy.

Yeah, and he keep telling the story about how he was going to write a book on the King James only converse. He already an acronym put together and then I wrote my book and therefore he didn't have to do it.

Yeah, just recommend yours. It'll save a lot of time.

Well, I'm I'm glad you you got hold of it and now the here's the real question. No, John. Did the book encourage you to get hold of? Certain other books that are frequently referred to in the text and the footnotes very much.

In fact, I have most of them especially the Holy Scriptures series by Webster and King. Yeah. And it just encouraged me to go deeper into that. Yeah, okay.

Well, that's I wanted to make sure to do that because I really feel especially.

The modern work.

David King and William Webster's work. I wanted to try to get that in there so that maybe some folks would look for it. Yeah, it's not easy necessarily to track down at times. But I know Amazon does carry it and stuff.

So I was hoping that that message would get across and you know.

The other thing I point out would be that yours bridges the gap because there's only a certain type of person who would Dig as deeply as as Webster and King have right to that material. I think for them for the person who's not Really encouraged to read, you know several thousand pages on the subject.

It really gets their foot in the water.

Well, that's that's what I want to do. That's really really what I want to accomplish. I realize that a majority of my audience This is as far as they're going to go despite my encouragement to do otherwise just simply because of you know where they are in their life and what their context is and if I can give them a Solid foundation there.

My hope would be if they do become challenged from any of the myriad of directions from which attacks against the the perspicuity of scripture and the sufficiency of scripture come that at least they'd have that foundation and know where to go from there if they.

Need more information. Well, you accomplished that very well. Well good. Here's my here's my question for you. Um, just to explain to anyone listening if there is anyone listening.

There are.

In fact in the channel, they were complaining tremendously about the beginning of the phone call. Yes.

Yeah.

They were saying my side or your side the my side and they were saying that that was act. Actually then I'm an Aussie. Not not English now, you would know because your wife is Aussie. Yeah. That was an Aussie that was more English than Aussie or was it neither one?

It was Mid-Atlantic. So like the Titanic that's where I should go down right there.

I.

Would describe myself as a reformed Baptist pastor with charismatic tendencies and I mean you you're a good friend of mine and you preach at our church and you're welcome anytime and I Very much value ministries, you know and in reading your book.

There was one Question that I had that I'm sure will be something you and I would discuss not the world best place to catch is on your program. And that was your chapter on that. The Lord spoke to me saying right about Suddenly the the idea of God speaking in clear ways today and you were certainly addressing that that issue.

I wonder if you could just look at a couple of verses in first Corinthians 14 and Just give your comments on it and just just to kind of explain where I'm coming from and and what you really think about.

I think when someone writes a book you can always assume, you know what they mean, but Thanks a lot. We've got the opportunity to ask you what you mean and in first Corinthians 14 just in verses 29 and 30 and reading the New American Standard Let two or three prophets speak and let the others pass nation is made to another who is seated.

The first one must keep silent, which is not really Earth shattering at this point, but what what I've certainly seen in that Text is the difference between the Old Testament and the new and the Old Testament as I understand it the prophets were 100 accurate with the very words of God.

God put his words in their mouth. Never were those words to be situated on the part of God's people. Yet in the New Testament, we're actually told to sit and wait and pass judgment. To look at the scriptures like Acts 2 which is the fulfillment of Joel 2 about sons and daughters.

All of them shall prophesy old man dreaming dreams young man visions yet here we have in verses 29 30 not only passing judgment. But you've got the idea as I see it in verse 30 of One fellow speaking another Suddenly is sitting by has something Revealed to him or to her Callipto person, I guess would signal that in some way.

I'm trying to read between the lines. Perhaps it's stand up and say indicate it's got something to say and then what Paul says is well if that takes place the first guy should finish his prophecy and immediately sit down be silent and allow the second person to speak and I say all that because It seems to me that prophecy in the New Testament is on a much Than in the old all seems to be actually unconcerned that the first prophecy may be lost forever and even unfinished and My point in saying all this is a long spiel.

I realized but if these were God's actual words like in the Old Testament through a prophet to the church I believe it would be important if for the church to hear every word yet very different I believe if the New Testament prophets Had been thought to speak with absolute divine authority.

Like they did in the Old Testament attaching authority to their words. I don't know how I could understand those two verses and. So my understanding of God speaking it is different. I think in the New Testament.

I just like your comments on that. Yeah.

Well, obviously whatever Apocalypto means there and what the the role of first of all, this is within the context of the of the gathered church. Yeah, that's the first thing to note and There there seems to as you you point out there's this obviously is is differing from the the prophet who says thus saith the Lord in in the Old Testament and in 31 you have.

This.

The whole point being you know, well just read 31 32 for you can all prophesy one by one so that all may learn and all may be Exhorted and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets for God is not a god of confusion.

But of peace is in all the churches of the Saints. You know some people would actually say that last phrase isn't all the churches of Saints should be connected in fact in the Greek text It's edited this way to be connected to the next verse as in all the churches of Saints the women are to keep silent which Could raise all sorts of arguments on that point, too.

But the point is that it's it's referring to order. And it's referring to order within The worship service which evidently Corinth was having a fair amount of problems with on many different levels not only with the Lord's Supper, but but here in regards to What was taking place during the course of of the worship itself and so whatever this This prophesying is it results in?