April 25, 2019 Show with Anthony Mathenia on “Better Than Life: A Ministry On the Front Lines of the Abortion Clinic”

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Better Than Life: A Pro-Life Ministry on the Front Lines of the Abortion Clinic

Honestly, I seek you.

Yes, the love of the Lord Jesus Christ certainly is better than life and we're going to be talking about a new ministry called Better than life a ministry on the front lines of the abortion clinic. And to discuss this as a returning guest Anthony Mathenia, he is one of three pastors at Christ Church in Radford, Virginia and a conference speaker.

And it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens. Iron radio pastor Anthony Mathenia. Yeah, thanks for having me again, Chris. Well before we go into our theme the better than life ministry.

Please let our listeners know something about Christ Church in Radford, Virginia.

Yeah Christ Church nine years old state praise God. And if anybody wants more information about this.

Church in Radford, Virginia. Christ Church go to Christ Church. I'm sorry. It's Christ Sure dot CH. This is a new one for me. Yes, Christ sure dot CH. That's Christ CH you are dot CH. I've never seen a website like that.

Is that a new? URL that they're offering just very recently because I've never seen it before.

Fairly new.

Well, I can never talk too often about People who have a passion to rescue the life of the unborn. And if you could tell us Something about this new ministry how it began. The better than life ministry.

I've had an interest in.

Pro-life work and pre-born for so.

What are some of the specifics about the better than life ministry? Exactly. How you and the members of your congregation or other? Christian volunteers. What do you physically do? What do you intend to do and so on and what perhaps even how it might be different than some other pro-life ministries or abortion male evangelism ministries.

Sure, it's gonna be comparable.

Well Well, I want to give our listeners.

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One of the things that I've been thinking about a lot lately That Has been perplexing me and I don't know if I have the right answers as I as I don't have with many Many other issues in life, which is why my show is a guest driven show.

I have enough intelligence to ask fairly decent questions, but not necessarily the intelligence to answer.

But.

We as Christians There are obviously millions of people surrounding us Who believe in abortion? They may even passionately believe in abortion and When we are Having our lost friends family and loved ones Over the house or perhaps we're over their house for a barbecue.

We're having a nice relaxing time Spending with them and enjoying some laughs enjoying some good food. When the issue of abortion may come up or even if you know that the person or the people that you're Associating with on any given day if you know ahead of time that they are believers in abortion.

They might even work in an abortion clinic or abortion milk. How are we to? As Christians Be charitable and even just down-and-out friendly and Not have a look of Disapprovement or a scowl or a look of rage on our face because this is such a horrifying.

Issue.

It goes Beyond many sins in this life. You know, you're basically believing you're basically associating with and and having close contact and Friendship at times with people who believe in murder or maybe they are themselves Murderers because they've had their children Aborted and a better term for that is murder.

How do we compartmentalize issues like this? When we are Interacting with the lost around us. I mean there are certain things that are a lot easier to overlook mentally. You know we don't want to look down our noses and judge people because they may drink more alcohol than we do or do other things that We don't find as Christians to be acceptable or even socially acceptable.

You know there you might be at a barbecue and there are even Homosexual couples that happen to be there because the neighbor invited them. Maybe in the family of the neighbor the list could go on and on but there's something very different about this Sin because it involves the murder of the most helpless and fragile among us.

So if you could I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this issue because and because I see it regularly on television when you even have on a professedly conservative Television station like Fox News you will have very often the staunchly pro-life host of a show having a very pleasant friendly chat with a pro-abortionist and they you know are chuckling at things and they're.

Having pleasantries exchange back and forth sometimes and I just. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that. Yeah, I think starting I. People are in the law guilty and that there's freedom or even the way so you.

At the same time though are we as Christians to permit ourselves and and even promote to fellow brothers and sisters the kind of friendship and activity that we would have with many other kinds of lost people who do all kinds of Wicked things in the sight of God who are even members of false religion.

I think it would be wrong for Christians to retreat into a Christian monastery and I'm speaking figure to figure to figure it typically, of course, but The many Christians or at least some I should say today that the things are different in the 21st century, but there are some Christians who they only want to associate at all times with people who believe like they do and so on and I don't believe that that is correct because how also you're going to Evangelize the lost how else are you going to show the love of Christ through your own life?

But are you saying that? In this case we are to Develop friendships and be very friendly and perhaps by birthday gifts and Christmas gifts and do all the things that you do laugh and see movies and go to sporting events and Play softball or shoot some hoops and do all these kinds of things with people who believe in the murder of children.

I mean, is this an okay thing for us to do or is it a right thing for us to do? And perhaps is it a commanded thing for us to do?

No, I think now.

If you could give us some examples on how you approach people who are believers of abortion or. They might even be walking into a clinic about to and I hate to use that word clinic. I'd prefer more abortion mill or abortuary or some other more sinister sounding name, but when you Approach people and of course people are not cookie cutters.

But how would you begin a conversation? Typically.

Right where we are they it's a strategic location they have to now. As far as the actual manner and of course.

Different people have different personalities and different manners of speaking to begin with and you also have on top of that Circumstantial things that might change the way the change the manner with which Somebody is approaching the subject publicly with somebody who might even be a stranger and If at an abortion mill would most probably be a stranger or strangers but How.

What about the manner in as far as I know that there are Christians even pro-life Christians Who are upset by other brothers and sisters in Christ who raise their voice? They you know think that this is such a Horrific act that may be about to take place That it calls for urgency.

It calls for a loud proclamation. And of course, none of us. I don't believe would agree with the.

The horrible.

Antics of people like in the God hates fags Movement the Westboro Baptist Church. I think it is called who? Approach people even in cemeteries and other kinds of places with nothing but hatred and Nastiness and mockery because they they don't have any Compassion.

Because they don't even believe the people they're screaming it can be saved. They don't even offer the gospel to them. But of course we reject that. I don't even believe that. Yes, and by the way pastor Anthony your voice was very muffled there.

I don't know if you moved your mouth away from whatever mouth. Yeah, what would seem that way it would appear that way but so what about the manner. Is it is it ever appropriate to raise our voices? Do we always have to have soft compassionate voices and sometimes obviously if somebody is far enough away.

They're not even gonna hear you if you're not raising your voice to some degree. So tell us about the actual manner. And I know what would change. From person to person and circumstance. The circumstance likely but right where we are.

You said something very.

Key here. Don't you think that very often? We who are Christians we who are pro-life We do treat the unborn With less urgency as a different category, even though we are the ones who are constantly saying this is a human This is human life.

It's murder. But at the same time we either consciously or unconsciously very often Behave in a way where it is really not as important as a teenager being murdered. Do you understand what I'm saying?

And so what was the response to that? How do we? How do we behave in a society Where you have. I don't know what the statistics are but I would assume that there is probably close to half of the population of the United States of America who is in favor of at least Early-term abortion.

I don't know how Not low the numbers dip when it comes to late term and partial birth and that kind of thing. But but when we have It's not like we have people in the millions around us murdering teenagers.

So we're believing in that How do we supposed to react to this in a different way? Or should we at all I mean like like you were saying before we can have some kind of Restrained friendship at least with our neighbors who are pro abortion and Yet we would not behave the same way if they were if we witnessed them or even Discussing murdering their teenage son or a teenager that lived in the neighborhood, you know, it's it's a perplexing thing for me.

Sure I mean a man now has Planned Parenthood found out what the people who just moved next door are planning to do. It seems pretty obvious. You have.

Let's see here we have Christian in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Who wants to know how do you? React to people Who claim to believe in the Bible and yet also at the same time? Identify themselves as pro-choice.

They will sometimes say things like the Bible never mentions abortion at all and They will say that there is hyper burl hyper parabolic language being used in the Psalms When it comes to us being knit together in our mother's womb.

Because even David said he came from the womb a liar and obviously when he was born he was not lying. So they will say things like that are figurative language. Of course, we do know that there were enemies of God sacrificing their children to Molech, but that was Children that were born and it was a Idolatrous and horrible pagan practice, which is somewhat different than the abortion sin.

So, can you please give me some guidance here?

Sure a couple of things.

Well, we have to go to our first break right now. And if you anybody else listening has any questions send them in to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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We are now back with our guest today Anthony Mathenia. Who is one of three passers at Christ Church in Radford, Virginia? We are discussing their new ministry better than life a ministry on the front lines of the abortion clinic.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. We have RJ in White Plains, New York. Who wants to know have you experienced any opposition to this new ministry both from within and without?

Your congregation because of the fact that there may be even Christians who are pro-life. But who fear the physical retribution that may occur from the surrounding community?

Not from within Michael early in the ministry, but we're not dealing with. We have.

CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York. Who says. I'm sorry if I missed this before. But I was wondering if Anthony Mathenia your guest today has any experience in the pro-life movement in opposing Abortion and even being an evangelist at abortion clinics prior to this new work that they are conducting today.

Not any Extensive or let's see.

We have John and banger Maine. Who says what helpful tips can you give as far as a church starting their own? Pro-life ministry or abortion mill.

Evangelistic ministry. Yeah, I think that that's the ministry. That's the ministry that Jeff Durbin and Marcus Pittman are involved in, correct.

That's right. Yeah, Jeff I interviewed Jeff and one of the one of the things and perhaps it was the only thing that actually shocked me That he said that I was totally unaware of before. But he said that nearly every single woman That he has approached entering into or leaving an abortion mill has said that she is fully aware and knowledgeable that she is either contemplating or actually Going to murder a child.

They he said that the most of the women the vast majority of the women are fully Accepting of this as a reality that they are committing murder, but they they just think that the circumstances and the situations in their life.

Permit me. I was very surprised what they know exactly what they're right.

Obviously, we know that according to Romans 1 those kinds of things are instilled within the nature of humans. And they suppress the truth. But I was shocked to hear that these women for the most part the majority of them admit it right and so is that your from what you've the conversations at least that you've had with people who want to have an abortion you you think.

That they most of them as Jeff experienced really no for certain. Yeah, because I can I can remember decades ago, I'm 57. Abortions were typically described as just you know, we're removing a blob of tissue.

It's not really human. Yeah, I always used to hear the the line nobody really knows when life begins which to me was never a good argument for abortion because My response was always well. You're willing to take a risk that you are murdering the child then if nobody knows and why even are you tampering with that?

But but it seems that there is because perhaps it's because of photographic evidence and all this and the ultrasound I don't know what it is, but there seems to be a shift in the way. It's discussed.

Right. There's now. Why do you think it is that historically?

There was a there was a day when the pro-life movement those that were seeking to publicly Stop women from having abortions in any way they could both Politically or even in their own activity in their neighborhoods and in the cities and States where they live they were knew it was nearly entirely a Roman Catholic movement.

Why do you think that so many? biblically literate Christians evangelical Protestants Fundamentalists Calvinists were absent from this movement to Rescue the life of the unborn and also even today. From what I hear I don't know if you have any different statistics.

I hear that the movement to end Abortion is still dominated by Roman Catholics. Why do you think this is?

Well, it's convenient. Good even to our lead to ourselves now even amongst those of us who are.

Conservative who believe in biblical inerrancy who are even reformed like you and I are who are thoroughgoing Calvinist as you are probably aware. There is a divide as There are amongst many issues. There is a divide over how we are to respond to infanticide taking place in our nation.

Some of our brethren believe that churches Have the freedom. In fact some would even go as far as saying that the churches have an obligation to be Very much involved in the political arena when it comes to this issue and other issues such as same-sex marriage and so on.

Others and some of these men would include I'm not going to mention names But men that you and I would consider our friends we you and I have seen them At Bible conferences that we have attended and perhaps you have even been in the same platform speaking alongside men in our camp theologically who don't believe that a church or a pastor should ever be involved in political activity a candidating for a Man running for office or a woman for that matter who believes in biblical morality and so on they believe that individual Christians have the liberty to do such things, but they Some of them are very adamant that the church the local congregation as a as a unit as a as a as an entity as a body should not Be involved in those kinds of things.

How do you respond to that. Because it is something that Divides people who might even be sitting in the same pew. Yeah, I.

Or righteousness. Yes, and the difficulty.

Comes in when even if you agree on Political involvement you have people in the same situation who may be even from our theological background. They may be closely related to us in their doctrine perhaps even in the same kind of brotherhood or fellowship or denomination as you and I are in but they Having agreed on political involvement and perhaps even the necessity of political involvement for the church They disagree on how to do that.

I may even be having a debate on my show between two pro-life Theologically Reformed opponents who have very different views on how the government should be used as a tool to bring an end to abortion and you have those that are incrementalists who Believe that the process needs to be slow and you have those that do not want Women to be Prosecuted.

If they are guilty of having an abortion, even if it were to be made illegal, you know, you have all these different Things that complicate issues. How does one with wisdom and discernment? Enter into something like this when there are even opposing views amongst brothers and sisters who agree theologically.

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