April 25, 2019 Show with Anthony Mathenia on “Better Than Life: A Ministry On the Front Lines of the Abortion Clinic”

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Yes, the love of the Lord Jesus Christ certainly is better than life and we're going to be talking about

a new ministry called Better than life a ministry on the front lines of the abortion clinic.

And to discuss this as a returning guest Anthony Mathenia, he is one of three pastors at Christ

Church in Radford, Virginia and a conference speaker.

And it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens.

Iron radio pastor Anthony Mathenia.

Yeah, thanks for having me again, Chris.

Well before we go into our theme the better than life ministry.

Please let our listeners know something about Christ Church in Radford, Virginia.

Yeah Christ Church nine

years old state

praise

God.

And

if anybody wants more information about this.

Church in Radford, Virginia.

Christ Church go to Christ Church.

I'm sorry.

It's Christ Sure dot CH.

This is a new one for me.

Yes, Christ sure dot CH.

That's Christ CH you are dot CH.

I've never seen a website like that.

Is that a new? URL that they're offering just very recently because I've never seen it before.

Fairly new.

Well, I can never talk too often about People who have a passion to

rescue the life of the unborn.

And if you could tell us Something about this new ministry how it began.

The better than life ministry.

I've had an interest in.

Pro -life

work

and

pre

-born

for

so.

What are some of the specifics about the better than life ministry?

Exactly.

How you and the members of your congregation or other?

Christian volunteers.

What do you physically do?

What do you intend to do and so on and what perhaps even how it might be different than some

other pro -life ministries or abortion male evangelism ministries.

Sure, it's gonna be comparable.

Well Well, I want to give our listeners.

My email address if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Anthony Mathenia.

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One of the things that I've been thinking about a lot lately That

Has been perplexing me and I don't know if I have the right answers as I as I don't have with many

Many other issues in life, which is why my show is a guest driven show.

I have enough intelligence to ask fairly decent questions, but not necessarily the intelligence to answer.

But.

We as Christians There are obviously millions of people surrounding us

Who believe in abortion?

They may even passionately believe in abortion and When we are

Having our lost friends family and loved ones Over the house or

perhaps we're over their house for a barbecue.

We're having a nice relaxing time Spending with them and

enjoying some laughs enjoying some good food.

When the issue of abortion may come up or even if you know that the person or the people that

you're Associating with on any given day if you know ahead of time that they are believers in

abortion.

They might even work in an abortion clinic or abortion milk.

How are we to?

As Christians Be charitable and even just

down -and -out friendly and Not

have a look of Disapprovement or a scowl

or a look of rage on our face because this is such a horrifying.

Issue.

It goes Beyond many sins in this life.

You know, you're basically believing you're basically associating with and and having close

contact and Friendship at times with people who believe in murder

or maybe they are themselves Murderers because they've had their children Aborted and a better term for

that is murder.

How do we compartmentalize issues like this?

When we are Interacting with the lost around us.

I mean there are certain things that are a lot easier to overlook mentally.

You know we don't want to look down our noses and judge people because they may drink more alcohol

than we do or do other things that We don't find as Christians to

be acceptable or even socially acceptable.

You know there you might be at a barbecue and there are even Homosexual couples that happen to be there because the

neighbor invited them.

Maybe in the family of the neighbor the list could go on and on but there's something very different about this

Sin because it involves the murder of the most helpless and fragile among us.

So if you could I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this issue because and

because I see it regularly on television when you even have on a professedly conservative

Television station like Fox News you will have very often the staunchly pro -life host

of a show having a very pleasant friendly chat with a pro -abortionist

and they you know are chuckling at things and they're.

Having pleasantries exchange back and forth sometimes and I just.

It's hard

for me to wrap

my head

around that.

Yeah, I think

starting I.

People

are in

the

law

guilty

and that

there's freedom

or even

the way so

you.

At the same time though are we as Christians to permit ourselves and

and even promote to fellow brothers and sisters the kind

of friendship and activity that we would have with many other

kinds of lost people who do all kinds of Wicked things in the sight of God who are even

members of false religion.

I think it would be wrong for Christians to retreat into a Christian monastery and I'm speaking

figure to figure to figure it typically, of course, but

The many Christians or at least some I should say today that the things are

different in the 21st century, but there are some Christians who they only want to associate at all times

with people who believe like they do and so on and I don't believe that that is correct

because how also you're going to Evangelize the lost how else are you going to show the love of Christ through your own

life?

But are you saying that?

In this case we are to Develop friendships and be very friendly and perhaps by birthday

gifts and Christmas gifts and do all the things that you do laugh and see movies and go to sporting events and

Play softball or shoot some hoops and do all these kinds of things with people who believe in the murder

of children.

I mean, is this an okay thing for us to do or is it a right thing for us to do?

And perhaps is it a commanded thing for us to do?

No,

I

think

now.

If you could give us some examples on how you approach people who are

believers of abortion or.

They might even be walking into a clinic about to and I hate to use that word clinic.

I'd prefer more abortion mill or abortuary or some other more sinister sounding

name, but when you Approach people and of course people are not cookie cutters.

But how would you begin a conversation?

Typically.

Right where we

are

they it's a

strategic

location

they

have to

now.

As far

as the

actual

manner

and of

course.

Different people have different personalities and different manners of speaking to begin with and you also have on

top of that Circumstantial things that might change the way the

change the manner with which Somebody is approaching the subject publicly with somebody who might

even be a stranger and If at an abortion mill would most probably be a stranger or

strangers but How.

What about the manner in as far as I know that there are Christians even pro -life Christians

Who are upset by other brothers and sisters in Christ who raise their voice?

They you know think that this is such a Horrific act that may

be about to take place That it calls for urgency.

It calls for a loud proclamation.

And of course, none of us. I don't believe would agree with the.

The horrible.

Antics of people like in the God hates fags Movement the Westboro Baptist

Church.

I think it is called who?

Approach people even in cemeteries and other kinds of places with nothing but hatred

and Nastiness and mockery because they they don't have any Compassion.

Because they don't even believe the people they're screaming it can be saved.

They don't even offer the gospel to them.

But of course we reject that.

I don't even believe that.

Yes, and by the way pastor Anthony your voice was very muffled there.

I don't know if you moved your mouth away from whatever mouth.

Yeah, what would seem that way it would appear that way but

so what about the manner.

Is it is it ever appropriate to raise our voices?

Do we always have to have soft compassionate voices and sometimes obviously if somebody is far enough away.

They're not even gonna hear you if you're not raising your voice to some degree.

So tell us about the actual manner.

And I know what would change.

From person to person and circumstance.

The circumstance likely but right where we are.

You

said

something

very.

Key here.

Don't you think that very often?

We who are Christians we who are pro -life We do treat the

unborn With less urgency as a different category, even though we are the ones who are constantly

saying this is a human This is human life.

It's murder.

But at the same time we either consciously or unconsciously very often

Behave in a way where it is really not as important as a teenager being murdered.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

And so what was the response to that?

How do we?

How do we behave in a society Where you have.

I don't know what the statistics are but I would assume that there is probably close to

half of the population of the United States of America who is in favor of at least Early

-term abortion.

I don't know how Not low the numbers dip when it comes to late term and partial birth and that

kind of thing.

But but when we have It's not like we have people in the millions around us

murdering teenagers.

So we're believing in that How do we supposed to react to this in a different way?

Or should we at all I mean like like you were saying before we can have

some kind of Restrained friendship at least with our neighbors

who are pro abortion and Yet we would not behave the same way if they were if we witnessed them

or even Discussing murdering their teenage son or a teenager that lived in the neighborhood, you know, it's it's a perplexing

thing for me.

Sure I mean

a man

now

has

Planned

Parenthood

found

out

what

the

people

who

just moved

next

door are

planning

to

do.

It seems pretty

obvious.

You

have.

Let's see here we have Christian in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania

Who wants to know how do you?

React to people Who claim to believe in the Bible and yet also at the same time?

Identify themselves as pro -choice.

They will sometimes say things like the Bible never mentions abortion at all and

They will say that there is hyper burl hyper parabolic language being used in the

Psalms When it comes to us being knit together in our mother's womb.

Because even David said he came from the womb a liar and obviously when he was born

he was not lying.

So they will say things like that are figurative language.

Of course, we do know that there were enemies of God sacrificing their children to Molech, but that

was Children that were born and it was a Idolatrous and horrible

pagan practice, which is somewhat different than the abortion sin.

So, can you please give me some guidance here?

Sure a couple of things.

Well, we have to go to our first break right now.

And if you anybody else listening has any questions send them in to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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We are now back with our guest today Anthony Mathenia.

Who is one of three passers at Christ Church in Radford, Virginia?

We are discussing their new ministry better than life a ministry on the front lines of the abortion clinic.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York.

Who wants to know have you experienced any opposition to this new ministry both from within and

without?

Your congregation because of the fact that there may be even Christians who are pro -life.

But who fear the physical retribution that may occur from the surrounding community?

Not from within Michael

early in

the

ministry,

but

we're

not dealing

with.

We have.

CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

Who says.

I'm sorry if I missed this before.

But I was wondering if Anthony Mathenia your guest today has any experience in the

pro -life movement in opposing Abortion and even being an evangelist at abortion clinics

prior to this new work that they are conducting today.

Not any

Extensive

or

let's

see.

We have John and banger Maine.

Who says what helpful tips can you give as far as a church starting their own?

Pro -life ministry or abortion mill.

Evangelistic

ministry.

Yeah,

I think

that that's

the ministry.

That's the

ministry that Jeff

Durbin

and Marcus

Pittman are

involved in,

correct.

That's right.

Yeah, Jeff I interviewed Jeff and one of the one of the things and perhaps it was the only thing that actually shocked me

That he said that I was totally unaware of before.

But he said that nearly every single woman That he has approached

entering into or leaving an abortion mill has said that

she is fully aware and knowledgeable that she is either contemplating or actually

Going to murder a child.

They he said that the most of the women the vast majority of the women are fully

Accepting of this as a reality that they are committing murder, but they they just think that the circumstances and the

situations in their life.

Permit me.

I was very surprised what they know exactly what they're right.

Obviously, we know that according to Romans 1 those kinds of things are

instilled within the nature of humans.

And they suppress the truth.

But I was shocked to hear that these women for the most part the majority of them admit it

right and so is that your from what you've the conversations at least that you've had with people who

want to have an abortion you you think.

That they most of them as Jeff experienced really no for certain.

Yeah, because I can I can remember decades ago, I'm 57.

Abortions were typically described as just you know, we're removing a blob of tissue.

It's not really human.

Yeah, I always used to hear the the line nobody really knows when life begins

which to me was never a good argument for abortion because My response was always well.

You're willing to take a risk that you are murdering the child then if nobody knows and why even are you

tampering with that?

But but it seems that there is because perhaps it's because of photographic evidence and all this and the ultrasound I

don't know what it is, but there seems to be a shift in the way.

It's discussed.

Right.

There's

now.

Why do you

think

it is that

historically?

There was a there was a day when the pro -life movement those that were seeking to

publicly Stop women from having abortions in any way they could both

Politically or even in their own activity in their neighborhoods and in the cities and

States where they live they were knew it was nearly entirely a Roman Catholic movement.

Why do you think that so many? biblically literate Christians evangelical

Protestants Fundamentalists Calvinists were absent from this

movement to Rescue the life of the unborn and also even today.

From what I hear I don't know if you have any different statistics.

I hear that the movement to end Abortion is still dominated by

Roman Catholics.

Why do you think this is?

Well,

it's

convenient.

Good

even to

our

lead

to ourselves

now even

amongst

those

of

us

who are.

Conservative who believe in biblical inerrancy who are even reformed like you and I are who are

thoroughgoing Calvinist as you are probably aware.

There is a divide as There are amongst many issues.

There is a divide over how we are to respond to infanticide taking

place in our nation.

Some of our brethren believe that churches Have the

freedom.

In fact some would even go as far as saying that the churches have an obligation to

be Very much involved in the political arena when it comes to this issue and other issues such as

same -sex marriage and so on.

Others and some of these men would include I'm not going to mention names But men that you and I would consider our

friends we you and I have seen them At Bible conferences that we have attended

and perhaps you have even been in the same platform speaking alongside men in

our camp theologically who don't believe that a church or a pastor should

ever be involved in political activity a candidating for a

Man running for office or a woman for that matter who believes in biblical morality and so on they

believe that individual Christians have the liberty to do such things, but they Some of them

are very adamant that the church the local congregation as a as a unit as

a as a as an entity as a body should not Be involved in those kinds of things.

How do you respond to that.

Because it is something that Divides people who might even be sitting in the same pew.

Yeah, I.

Or

righteousness.

Yes,

and

the

difficulty.

Comes in when even if you agree on Political involvement you have people in

the same situation who may be even from our theological background.

They may be closely related to us in their doctrine perhaps even

in the same kind of brotherhood or fellowship or denomination as you and I are in but they

Having agreed on political involvement and perhaps even the necessity of political

involvement for the church They disagree on how to do that.

I may even be having a debate on my show between two pro -life

Theologically Reformed opponents who have very different views on how

the government should be used as a tool to bring an end to abortion and you

have those that are incrementalists who Believe that the process needs to be slow and you

have those that do not want Women to be

Prosecuted.

If they are guilty of having an abortion, even if it were to be made illegal, you know, you have all these

different Things that complicate issues.

How does one with wisdom and discernment?

Enter into something like this when there are even opposing views amongst brothers and sisters who agree theologically.

Sure, I think

at the

end of

the day it

comes that are

the

script

for an immediate in

to be regulated.

I'm gonna ask you a question from a listener and have you answer it when we return from the break just to give you some time to think about it.

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If you just tuned us in our guest today is Anthony Mathenia and He is pastor of Christ

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We are discussing their new pro -life ministry which is better than life and we will

continue our Conversation as soon as I let you folks know about some upcoming events that I hope that you

take advantage of.

Some of which I will be personally attending and one of them Starts tomorrow and I

will be there.

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I'm heading off to Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania tonight actually.

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tomorrow Saturday and Sunday that's April 26th through the

28th at the Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania

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That's the weekend following the pastors luncheon.

Then I'm heading right to Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania For the banner of

truth East Coast ministers conference.

In fact, I was thrilled to hear my guest Anthony Mathenia is going to be attending there.

This is going to be held Tuesday through Thursday of next week, that's mate.

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Not next week.

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Then in January, I'm packing my bags again and heading down to Atlanta, Georgia.

College Park to be specific a suburb of Atlanta for the g3 conference.

I just love this conference and I'm going to be manning an exhibitors booth there.

It has been such a blessing for me to man booths.

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A suburb of Atlanta and it's on the theme of worship this coming January.

And once again, they have an extraordinary lineup of speakers.

Kosti Hinn.

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Cessationist and I'm the one that actually told Josh Bice of the g3 conference about Kosti and urged him to

get Kosti on the roster and sure enough.

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Kosti is a really blessed humble gifted brother in Christ dedicated to exposing the lies

of the word -of -faith movement.

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Derek Thomas, I'm sure that most of my listeners Recognize that name.

Powerful preacher my friend of many years.

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Josh Bice who I just mentioned.

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Paul Washer who is actually a member of my guests church.

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There's another conference.

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He is the pastor as I said of Christ Church in Radford, Virginia.

We are discussing his better -than -life ministry, which is a Anti -abortion pro

-life child rescuing ministry on the front lines at the abortion clinic or the abortion mill.

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And Anthony why do you think it is that

the Church of Jesus Christ?

What what are the the major flaws Within the professed body of Christ

in this world.

That have brought us to a point or have kept us in a point Where we

have such little impact on our society that Millions of babies can be murdered in our midst.

How on earth did Christianity spread so far and wide and

Take root in places like the United States, especially where we have so much freedom.

How is this possible that this occurred that so so much?

Atrocity and unspeakable horror

is

happening

all

around

us.

It's a

good question the

political round

even

for our you

know.

We as I keep repeating You and I are both from a background that

embraces what has become nicknamed reform theology Calvinism the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

I think that And perhaps you could correct me if you think I'm wrong or just react to

what I'm saying.

I think the proper Belief and response to Calvinism.

It could much more radically transform the the

Nation that we live in and the world that we live in if if boldness

accompanied Our faith to the point where we are really trying to make

changes in this world now.

I know that the way that Transformation takes place

primarily according to Biblical teaching is through the salvation of

souls through the preaching of the gospel and individuals when they come to Christ in

Great numbers eventually as the numbers grow.

That's when changes will take place.

But We should have a boldness greater than anyone including greater than our brothers and

sisters in Christ Who are an error in regarding to the doctrines of grace who do not believe in them because we know

With certainty that the Word of God will not return void we know that those whom

he intends to save will be saved and the the flip side of that coin

That is a danger when these things are misused when somebody either is

Has become a hyper Calvinist or even if they are not theologically Have not reached the extent

of hyper Calvinism, they may just say well case or a sera God's gonna work this out.

He's in control.

So I am just going to not be too concerned about what happens around me outside the doors

of my Home, so you have these two?

I think contrasting and opposite things that occur one is when people are

truly Correctly biblically understanding and putting into action the doctrines of grace.

They are bold and Courageous because they know God is in control and will accomplish

what he intends to accomplish through through us because he uses us as means.

And the other end of the spectrum as I said is apathy or indifference.

Because people have either a hyper Calvinistic view and even I think are running ironically

Armenians.

Many of professed Armenians or non Calvinist can behave like hyper Calvinist

because they are too cowardly or Too worried about the the negative consequences that

may occur to them in their boldness if they attempted to be so bold.

But am I making sense here?

Yes,

I

preach

the gospel.

Amen, and

I owe a

listener

an

apology.

I

forgot.

I forgot

to.

Repeat her question when I returned from the break.

Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

I asked before the break if you have seen Unplanned and if you have what your thoughts were

about I.

Have not seen it and I have thoughts.

Okay.

Explain how that's possible.

Because I have a lot of friends who have seen it, okay.

And the overarching Thing

that I'm

hearing from

the vantage point.

Do that Rather than it being wrong because as

being

the

salute

rather than the

pro -life, but

we know

amen.

Well, I did see the movie and Now that you've said what you said

what your friends have told you that I think that there is definitely truth in that.

But I have to say That the idea and the truth that abortion is murder did

clearly come through because there is a scene when the

the The key person involved in this story who was working in the abortion

clinic at Planned Parenthood she is looking at a Dismembered fetus that

just looks like a very small baby.

So it's clear that this is a Child and in fact even before

that She is watching through the ultrasound a a baby

an unborn baby being vacuumed Out of the mother's womb and she could tell and she's horrified it has

to leave the room.

But she because she could tell that a baby is being Sucked out of the womb with the vacuum that they use

in murdering children so There is there's definitely the clear reality I think that

there is a this is infanticide you're right about the gospel

being absent and The only reason this is gonna sound like a really weird thing for me to say

I'm glad that Theology didn't come up too much in this particular

movie because the woman who This story belongs to is Roman

Catholic.

So obviously if she is a committed Roman Catholic theologically I would not want her giving her

understanding of the gospel, which is false If she indeed agrees with the Council of Trent's

understanding of of the gospel.

So that's kind of a dilemma if does that make sense to you the thing that's interesting though all of the

Christians In the movie or those that are portrayed

As being Christian or pro -life you could tell that they are being depicted from

basically broad Evangelical ism.

There's no there's not one scene with the Roman Catholic priest.

There's not one scene with Roman Catholic Church and the the only time

a person even says the word Roman Catholic is A person who is pro -abortion who

works for Planned Parenthood who identifies herself as a Roman Catholic.

So I do want to say that because I was expecting this to be a heavy Roman Catholic message before

I went but that the Roman Catholic message is absent from the movie, but the as

far as any The most important thing that should be said about this as you said is the

gospel that is that is not in the movie.

So so in response to what I just said Anthony Can things like this

be useful if they are not even religious if they are not.

If they are not I'll give you an example of that.

There is a really powerful documentary that I have recommended.

It's called Mafa 21 it's a documentary that is purely involved in the history

of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood and eugenics and how

racism was the Seed bed for what came to be the

abortion movement Wanting to rid society of blacks and other

non -white people by Sterilizing women from that category or those

categories or murdering unborn children.

So, I mean can these things be useful as tools even if they don't have the gospel

in Chile, but minimum, right?

And of course as you just said the gospel is the most important thing That we have

to be thinking of primarily to honor God to obey God to proclaim the gospel and to see

individuals come to Christ and That when this keeps continuing the transformation

God willing will occur.

In fact, we have a listener we have

Ronald in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says Your optimism makes

me think you could be post -millennial.

Are you?

At the end of the day I call it Biblical Optimist.

Yeah,

it's it's not.

I'm pretty positive and

accused of being.

Yes, and I'm a I am an optimistic a millennialist myself

in fact, if you're wondering what the difference between Pessimistic and optimistic on millennialism are

and An optimistic on millennialist is an ah

millennialist and a pessimistic on millennialist is not.

But I don't see a lot of difference between Us and the post mills,

of course, they're all different.

They're all different kinds of post mills, but I think that they just have.

The extent of their optimism about this earth, I think extends beyond the scriptures.

But I have a lot of friends who are post mill that are on the show regularly.

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of christ church in radford, virginia.

And we have been discussing their new ministry better than life a ministry in the front lines of the abortion clinic.

And anthony, how can our listeners help?

This new ministry of yours better than life.

And keep in mind

folks don't forget

this this

building is

right next to planned

parenthood.

Yeah, it's

a shared

property

line

for information emails

that

are

going

better than life.

Dot cc.

Yes.

And uh, we do have an anonymous listener who wants to know.

Can you give some counsel on the best way?

To counsel someone on Overcoming the guilt and depression that

they have from having an abortion in their past even if they are born again now.

Yes in

christ

even.

Not so

that no

matter

what you are

guilty of He has bore that sin

amen.

And of course One of the great examples of god's mercy and forgiveness

Uh is soul of tarsus.

Who before becoming an apostle of jesus christ by the name of paul?

Rounded up men and women to be murdered because of their faith in christ.

So obviously if god can forgive paul.

And not only forgive him but use him in an extraordinary way that has benefited every generation

Of christians since the since 2 000 years ago.

Uh because of the fact that he actually wrote most of the new testament through the inspiration of the holy spirit.

If god can forgive and use the apostle paul, uh, he can forgive.

And use mightily a woman who has had an abortion or perhaps many abortions.

Uh after her repentance, uh, she could be used as a a vital tool in warning

others about this this horrific sin and also even

giving comfort to.

Just as she has been given comfort knowing that her sins have been forgiven.

Uh isn't this something that we always have to remember that.

We are not going to be useful to god if.

Our past sins keep us in a fetal position and we are morbidly introspective about them.

Am I right for people

at their

point?

Amen.

And uh we have.

Let's see.

We have timothy in west islip long island new york.

Who says don't you think that parents of christian daughters need to be rebuked?

For ever encouraging or urging or forcing their daughters to get abortions just because they will be

embarrassed in the church.

Yeah more.

Well i'd

like you

now to

uh,.

Summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today as we go off the air.

Three three says your loving kindness is better than life.

Therefore my lips will praise you.

God.

Has sent his son into the world.

He is the way the truth and the life Is nothing better than jesus christ.

We want to be promoters of him in the home in the church in the community in the public

square wherever god has Placed us.

We want to be preachers of righteousness proclaimers of truth.

And.

And promoters of jesus christ and that's what our hope is that god will allow us to continue doing

this at the abortion clinic on the sidewalk And within the crisis pregnancy center next door and seek to

minister to those who came intending to kill but they might experience not just Life with their pre -born

child, but eternal life in jesus.

Amen, and remember folks.

It's better than life dot cc.

That's the website you can go to to find out more about this ministry a ministry in the front lines of the

abortion clinic.

A ministry of christ church in radford, virginia, and their website is christ.

Chur.

Dot ch that's christ ch ur Dot ch.

I want to thank you so much.

Anthony methenia for being my guest today.

I hope you hold on the line so I could say a proper goodbye to you off the air.

And I want to thank everybody who listened today and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your life That jesus christ

is a far far greater savior than you are a sinner.