Open Air Theology “AI questions Part 2”

You can say what you want, but you won't around me. Sheep among misfits.

A misfit in the trailer park at night. A misprint with the sixth sense. Been sick ever since my brother died of an

O .D. My two cents never made sense. Either to me or anyone else inside of the sheep fence.

My ninth sniff on my right. Tell me what's the bottom line.

The bottom line is I'm not right. I'm not left, but this elephant won't find. And I can't find my assigned seat to sit in.

My theology don't fit in. Black sheep of the Reformation sheep pen. Which is the reformed.

I'm just another Baptist baptized again. The bastard child of Anabaptist.

Host to child of Reformation. Boob stuff of dead man.

Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans. Bow ties, tattoos, and bearded men. Pass the mic over to my lovely co -host here to let him introduce himself first.

And then I will go after Tom. So go ahead, Tom. Hey, well, hold on. I'm reading a text from Jeff right now.

But anyway, I'll go ahead and kick this off. I'm waiting to see if Jeff's going to come on as well. Anyway, my name is

Tom Shepherd. And I'm with Grace Bible Church of Bernie. And I head up a street evangelism team that goes out in Fredericksburg, and Kerrville, and Bernie, San Antonio.

As far south as Corpus Christi. Jeff's having trouble getting on.

As far south as Corpus Christi. And we've even gotten out to Oklahoma City. Or actually Oklahoma State in Tulsa and preached the gospel out there.

And I'm also a host of Even If None. And a co -host of Open Air Theology with Brayden Patterson.

And Jeffrey Rice. Back to you. Heck yeah. Love it, yeah.

So my name is Brayden Patterson. I am the. I am. It's kind of a weird.

I'm in a weird place right now. I have an installation going on. On January 12th at Grace Bible Church in Moore Park, California.

And so I am set up to be the new pastor at that church. And so I also have a

YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon. And it's a great blessing to be a co -host with Tom and Jeff on Open Air Theology here.

But maybe just as a quick heads up. If you're new to this channel. If you're watching this show for the very first time.

Please subscribe to our YouTube channel. Open Air Theology. It would be a great blessing to see you here. We try to get on once a week on Sundays.

On the Lord's Day. Talk about our service. How worship was. And just a variety of different topics.

It's a great blessing. These guys make me laugh a lot more than a lot of other people do. So it's good to be here now.

But Jeff is trying to get on right now. So we're going to see if we can get Jeff on. And then we're also potentially going to get

Big Red, Samuel Harris on as well. So we'll see what happens with that. Any update on that,

Tom? Well, I said, let's go, Jeff. He said, bro, chill out. It's not letting me on. That's all I got.

Oh, hey. There he goes. Hey. It's your turn.

All right, Jeff, go ahead and introduce yourself. And we'll pass it down. What? We're on.

What am I doing? Introduce yourself. You're introducing yourself as the pastor of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church, Jeffrey Rice, pastor and street evangelist from Tullahoma, Tennessee.

Also the co -host of Open Air Theology. There you go. Now you don't have to do it. And a great follow reminder.

Well, we just got done just doing intro. So we're just about to talk about how our

Lord's Day was. So do you want to go first, Jeff? I do have a question, though, real quick,

Brayden. Is this only being streamed to YouTube, or we got it on Facebook, too? I did not send it to our

Facebook just because it hasn't been doing right on my side on Facebook. Has it been doing? We can add it to it here.

Do you want it on your Facebook? Well, I just shared the YouTube to my Facebook, so that's cool.

We can do it. Okay, yeah. So, Jeff, how was the Lord's Day? I heard two baptisms today.

Yeah, we had two baptisms. We had a Christmas feast. It was a good day.

It was a good day. Good. The people that were baptized were members of the church who believed themselves to be

Christians, but through the sequential exposition of God's word, came to faith in Jesus Christ.

Good. Really? All attending your church recently or what? Yeah, that's pretty awesome. We've had nearly ten people in our small church saved and baptized this year.

Dude, that's so cool. Praise the Lord. That's awesome to hear. Yeah, that is. How many actually came from evangelism?

Most of them. So evangelism works. Well, so for the most part, it was witnessing the one and then bringing other people, their families.

That's pretty incredible. Yes, yesterday we went out to Bernie.

You know, it's a lot easier to share the gospel during Christmas time. You know, everybody's nobody's really giving you a flack and nobody's going to over talking about Christ in his incarnation when you're.

So anyway, we had we had a guy by the name of Eric and his wife came to church this evening.

And it's just a blessing. It's a huge blessing to see some fruit, you know, from the labor that when we go out on the streets and we proclaim the gospel, even if they're already

Christians, not that you're trying to move believers from one church to another, but maybe maybe a more solid church at our church.

But anyway, it's always encouraging to see people that you meet out on the street come to church.

And that's what happened with us today. It was really encouraging. Praise the Lord, dude. That's awesome.

That's great. I heard. Didn't you do some kind of outreach at a facility and then somebody came to your church?

Yeah. So I got to I got to go. There was a cigar lounge nearby where we moved to.

And so I got to go try it out the other night and met a gentleman who looking good right there.

Met another met a gentleman who was really got to got to talk with him.

Whole bunch talked with him for an hour and 30 minutes. He ended up coming to church today. I was really good to see a new visitor the very first Sunday I got to preach at the church.

So that was really exciting to see that. But the church service itself was an absolute blessing.

Grace Bible Church in Moore Park. It just really sweet fellowship today.

I got to preach. So I got to do Sunday school and then I got to preach from Ruth chapter 2 verse 3, which

I was tying it in as a Christmas message message. So it was really fun to be in Ruth, a book that a lot of people just look over and don't really consider and really see the implications of what

God was bringing about even in Ruth many, many, many years before his incarnation. So that was a blessing.

And then I got to hang out with a whole bunch of other brothers and sisters in Christ throughout this day. So it's been a good day so far. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah. And then I saw I saw Jeff at your Christmas party online. Samuel got to open up his his present.

Yeah. I call that the ESV CNC red.

That's right. That's right. Here is Jeff. You look tired, bro.

He goes, you were out. Jeff has been. What does he say? He goes, dig down, joy.

You're not a dispensationalist. Who is that? I can't see. You still can't see him on your side.

I can't see anything, man. That doesn't make any sense. I don't know why you can't see him.

It doesn't. This is what this is what Troy just said right here. Yeah.

Well, morale. Yeah. Well, you've been building a church.

Mm hmm. But but spent two days over the work, my full time job spent two days over there at the church.

I'm talking daylight to dark. And I got up at daylight this morning and started studying for my sermon again and preached and I got home.

I got home right about almost seven o 'clock from church. Is that right?

What's it? Wait a minute. Who's this here? I don't know who this is. Let me look. This is

Dakota Clark. Hi, Tom. Join y 'all from Bernie, Texas. Hi.

Well, we're we're in Bernie, too. I'm glad you can can join us today. Thank you for joining us.

Nice. That's pretty cool. That is great to see.

Yeah, that's awesome. So what else? Oh, so I got to tell you guys.

So not everybody's seen this. So we're going to be bringing these. We're going to be bringing these to the conference.

We got two. These are these are types. These are not the anti type.

These are the types. There's one type right there. That's the original.

The original logo right there. That's my favorite. And that's Debbie's favorite, too.

She likes this one. She she really likes this one. So there's there's type one. And here's type two.

Not a special. Huh? The AI special bread coming on tonight.

And this is. I didn't know that. Well, we weren't sure where you were looking.

We didn't know. There he is.

What's up, Red? What's going on, brothers? All right. It's good to see you, brother.

Real good to see you. That Bible. Like the second nicest Bible in the world.

Right behind mine. Yours is. Since yours is. Mine is number one.

Yeah. Hey, y 'all ain't never seen one like this. Nah. But I got you.

All right. I've never seen one like that. It does look pretty good. Red. It looks real good. It looks really, really good.

And it is slick. It is. The gold. The gold page die.

Yeah. Going to red. I didn't know Jeff did message

Bibles. Just the Bibles that have the message in it.

Well, which mug do you like out of these two that just Tom was just shown? Which one? Which ones are you a fan of?

I like the original design. You like the original design? Yeah, that one's sick. I like both of them.

But the original design is. I paid for the original. Is more your cup of tea?

More my cup of coffee. Yeah. Yeah. There it is. They have another one.

So this is what we can do to. They have another one. Which is where she can make this. To where it looks. Looks just white.

Right. And then you heat it up. In magic happens in love. That's pretty cool.

We do that. So. That's pretty cool. Well, I like to talk to you guys.

What's that? How you liking your new digs? Brother, it's it's a blessing so far. So we've been here for seven whole days now.

Uh, the church itself is beyond gracious and kind. It's been a blessing getting to know everybody in an area.

Everybody in the area has been super, super, super kind. Uh, from what I've been hearing is that this area that we're in is one of the, one of those more safe areas, one of the, uh, more conservative areas, one of the more family orientated areas that we're living in in Southern California.

And so really we haven't had any bad experiences. The worst experience I've had all week long is spending three dang days at the

DMV. That was terrible. That tried my patience. I'm, it was, it was close to taking the

Christian gloves off and starting to go fisticuffs with people in there because man, oh man, the people inside were super nice.

The employees, super nice, super kind, can't say anything bad about them. The length of time

I had to wait to get through the whole process, three days of taking different paperwork in and, oh my goodness, it was a pain in the butt.

Yeah. So we're, we're getting, uh, we're outvoted here.

It looks like this one's going to be the one that we're going to get for the conference. Cool. Because people are liking this one the best.

So this right here, you can have this on special for just $19 .99,

$19 .99. You just got to come to the conference.

This is a good time. We got to, we got to do a plug in for the conference. Sam, what are we doing in February in Tullahoma, Tennessee?

We're going to be having a, we're going to be having an open air theology conference on the 19th.

I believe we're having the pre -conference on evangelism and then the 20th through the 23rd.

Is that correct? 22nd, but close enough. Yeah. 22nd through the 22nd.

Well, 23rd, we'll still be having the after party. We'll still be out there evangelizing. Oh yeah, dude. And it's going to be a

Lord's day too, isn't it Jeff, on the 23rd? Yeah. Lord's day. We'll have the

Lord's day at my church. Yeah, it's going to be a good time. If you guys have not been to an open air theology conference, make this one your first one.

I mean, the fellowship is unbelievable. No, nobody's hiding behind the walls. Nobody's, nobody's, none of the speakers are in a different room where you can't touch them and, and talk to them and take a picture with them.

We're all out there fellowshipping with each other, singing with each other, you know, and, and worshiping

God together. So it's going to be a lot of, it's going to be a lot of fun. So it's going to be in Tullahoma, Tennessee, Tullahoma, Tullahoma, Tullah, Tullahoma, Tennessee.

And then your first building's going to be, it's going to, Jeff, give us a, I haven't, I don't think everybody on the, on the internet has heard of Tullahoma.

Tullahoma, yeah. What's the update on the church building, Jeff? You guys got to start saying it right, man.

What, how do you say it? We can't ask Jeff how to say it, he doesn't know how to say it. Tullahoma.

Tullahoma. Tullahoma. There you go, Brayden. Quit talking like your brother.

I said it. No. Tullahoma. Tullahoma. It's a U in there, it's Tullahoma. It's not Tullahoma.

Jeff just said Tullahoma. U is silent. Tullahoma. U is silent. It's Tullahoma.

Tullahoma. Tullahoma. Tell a homie. Tell a homie about the open air theology conference.

Hey, do you have a, do you have a, let's see here, what is this? Yeah, question for Pastor Brayden, are you still making

Tobacco Pipe's brother? I am planning on it during this whole move and getting called to be the pastor at Grace Bible Church.

I haven't been able to dedicate time for that. I plan on picking that back up as soon as we're in a house, so it will take another six months before that takes place.

I do have a few. So if that's something that's interesting to you, send me a text message, or not a text message, a message on Facebook, and I'll send you a picture of the stock that I have right now, and if there's one that piques your interest,

I can get that to you. And then also, if not, it'll probably be six months before I'm able to start making pipes again.

Seven months, somewhere in that ballpark. I'm curious. Dakota, Clark, where do you go to church in Bernie?

We gotta wait now. Georgia. It's gonna be at Covenant Reform Baptist Church in Tullahoma, Tennessee.

Do you have an address, Jeff? 1605 East Lincoln.

1605 East Lincoln. Put it up there, Brayden. I can't.

Oh my gosh. Weird. I told you this before.

I can't do that right now, because I'm on my iPad. Oh. Hey, is

Orthodox MacArthur on? Yeah, he's on. Listen.

Orthodox MacArthur, why are you going to bring me AA batteries whenever you see me next?

What? I don't even want to know. He sent me a text saying he was going to give me

AA batteries the next time he saw me. He said no.

Did Jeff tell you guys that he pulled me into a bar fight earlier? Yeah, you pulled me into it.

Tell us, Red. What happened? His wife came out and told me that Red was beating somebody up.

So I had to go out there and help him. Dang. I can tell you this.

If something like that were to go down, Jeff's got my back. Heck yeah. No, we had some type of scuffle that happened down the way from us.

A guy got knocked out, and we went down there to try to see what was going on, make sure he was alright. Ended up having to call the police, but before I ran down there,

I yelled into the church building, and he came out and ran down there with me. It was crazy.

We've had an eventful Lord's Day for sure. Dude pulls out another guy, comes out and is like, dude deserves it.

Dude starts cussing him out. He's knocked out. Back of his head busted, his face busted.

He jumps up, trying to fight the guy that said he deserves it. Pulls out a freaking razor blade, trying to cut him.

But everything was on video. Turned out he did deserve it. He started banging on this guy's car, and the guy got out and freaking licked him, son.

Knocked him out. Hey, so Dakota, I know that church. I know that's

Dick Jones' church, and I know that we've been praying for him. Dick Jones is Dakota's pastor, and he has cancer.

He's actually the pastor that Ryan Ditton is filling in for several times.

It's why Ryan Ditton had to pull out of the conference, because he's going to be filling in for Dick on that.

So we are praying for him. You have a great church over there, just so you know. Good brothers over there.

Very evangelistic team. So it's a good group of brothers. So glad you've made it on.

Make them a pipe, Brayden. I got you. Just hit me up.

So today's episode. So last, if you guys were here, what was it? A couple weeks ago? Two weeks ago with Andrew, yeah.

That's right. Andrew Rappaport was on last time. And we were going to do stuff. Like ask

AI what these questions are. They'd come up, and we would have to answer them, whether to agree or disagree.

So you guys want to do that now, or do you want to talk about something else? I'm in.

Let's do it. I'm in for the ride, man. Go for it.

All right. So the first question is this, and I'm going to read it here. So AI made these questions.

Agree or disagree. Would Jesus use social media if he were living on the earth today?

I didn't make up these questions. These are all AI. Is this speaking of his incarnation?

Like if this was his first coming? No, I think he's basically saying that if he was living on the earth right now, today.

I think that question needs more clarification. Because I think to say yes...

I don't know. To say yes, it goes against the gospel and the fact that he had to come at a time where crucifixion was perfected.

Absolutely. In order to be made a curse of God, he had to be hung on a tree. Yeah, the question is if there was internet and social media when he came the first time, would he be on it and use it?

Would he be on Facebook, in other words? I think that's the question. Sure. What do you think,

Dredd? I think he's using it right now with you knuckleheads.

If he, yeah. For sure, man. Like saying that he's the creator of all things.

I mean, in a sense, he is using it right now. I think that he would use it if it were implemented during that time.

The message was amplified from Jerusalem anyway. Social media back then would have just exploded the gospel.

Yeah, that would have been a lot easier to be his witnesses in Acts 1 -8, right?

I mean, you wouldn't even have to leave the house. You just get online and start sharing the gospel with people.

No, I don't know. That's a hard question. I would say I don't think Jesus would. I think his apostles would.

I think the disciples would. But I don't think Jesus would be messing around with that personally. You can't see him scrolling?

No, I can't see him. I would agree with Georgia. If he was on it, he definitely wouldn't be obsessed about it.

Yeah, I don't know. That's what I would think. All right.

Kind of a messed up question. Again, I did not make these up. These are all artificial.

Generated. So, the other question. Next question. The King James Bible version is the only accurate

English Bible translation. Agree or disagree? Everybody's on board with that.

It's not the only accurate. There are many other accurate translations. I don't think it's a good, accurate translation.

I don't think it's accurate for our day. Because we don't understand. There's so many words in there that don't mean what it meant.

Right. So, yeah. There are many words. But you would say that if a person had a 7th grade reading education, that they would be able to read that and the

Bible would be God -honoring and be able to make a person wise to salvation. Right? For sure.

However, I think there's just words in there. Yeah. I don't think it has to do with theology and doctrine or whatever.

Well, some of it might. But I just think there's better translations. Right. Yeah, I agree.

I would agree with that, too. As a matter of fact... I'm not walking around here with that big old gray cell phone.

Right. Yeah. So, what is everybody's favorite translation?

ESV. I'm using ESV right now.

ESV? What I just got was an ESV. But I like the

LSV as well. I like the LSV as well, too. Which one's your favorite, Tom?

I'm going to go with LSV. And the NASV. I got me an 07.

Did you? I'd have to agree with Jeff on the way that the ESV flows. The ESV is made for reading.

Reading in public. It's not made for memorizing, though. Bull crap. Actually, you could actually...

It's been proven that you can memorize the King James Version easier than you can the

ESV. No, that's garbage. Because of the added words. I can't even read the King James.

How am I going to memorize it? I mean, there are some because you grow up with it.

Listen. Here's what I want people to do. I want you to grab a King James Bible. And I want you to turn it to 1

Corinthians 5. And I want you to read 1 Corinthians 5 and tell me what it's talking about.

Because every time I get a wild hair at my butt and thinking I'm going to read the King James Bible, I'll go to 1

Corinthians 5 and I have no idea what I just read. Zero. That's not a heart.

It's a zero. I think Jeff just said he loves the

King James Version. So back in 2018 whenever I picked up...

No, actually it was I think in 2020 my sons both came home with an

ESV Bible from school. They did an after school program.

And my understanding of what I was reading exploded. When I read, for example the

King James Version this is what I started in. For by grace ye are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God not of works lest any man should boast.

Tell Debbie to read 1 Corinthians 5. She can do it. And tell me what it says.

I want you to articulate it. That's because she's smarter than Tom. There's no doubt about that.

But listen to the same one. For by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not of your own doing.

So it doesn't flow as well as the King James. For by grace you are saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast.

Versus the ESV. For by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not of your own doing.

It is the gift of God not a result of works. It is easier to memorize.

When I read that it's easier for me to memorize the

King James. Well switch to the King James. No, I like the Old Woman Church.

It's because yours is as archaic as the King James. Exactly, I got a great beard. You were there when they were writing it, dude.

The Apostle Paul was right there. I knew it. No, I'm just joking. You were the plow boy that William Fendale was talking about.

That's right. Yeah, so, anyway. I don't know.

If I was to choose one if I had one to go with I would either go with NASV or LSV. For my number one

I'd go LSV. I remember a day where we were all like yeah, we're all going to get ESVs and have them together and then a month later you stopped.

We were going to use it. We were all going to worship God in the same Bible translation.

I remember taking a I thought we did like a blood oath and that just went away real quick.

Actually, because matter of fact, we were even talking about a passage. I can't remember what it was.

I think it was in Corinthian. We were talking about it and we actually agreed that the

ESV had it right and the LSV didn't. So, there are places. Romans 11 has a great translation with the

ESV. Absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, 1 Corinthians 7 it talks about the marriage of the virgin.

So, God honoring translations, right? Okay. Next one,

Tom. Get the psych off yourself. I'm losing this battle. Alright.

Okay. Agree or disagree. Using curse words in certain situations is not always sinful.

Agree or disagree. Agree. And I don't cuss. I agree.

So, like let's say if you were to say the word shit. Sinful or not sinful.

Depends on the context. I counted all this. Google it. Huh? Google it.

Depends on the context. So, I guess if you were to say it in a sinful manner like going, ah!

Well, it's just like the word hell, right? I can tell someone, listen, if you die without Christ, you're going to go to hell.

Or I could say, well, to hell with it. Alright. Same word.

One of them I would say is derogatory and it's cussing. Sure. So, it really depends on the context because the word itself is really, you know, like we invent cuss words.

Yeah. Because we give a word, we come up with a word and give it a meaning. Right. There we go,

Troy. Who put that up there? There we go.

Let no vain communication proceed from your mouth. Yeah, so there is, there are some areas.

So, context would be key, right? Context is key. Again, just using the word hell. Yeah. Telling someone that if you die without Christ, you're going to go to hell, but then if you were to use it in a different way, it would be considered cussing.

Okay. Here's a good question right here. I actually like this question as far as thought -promoting.

Now, to be specific to the question, it says, agree or disagree. Believing in a six -day literal creation is essential to being a faithful Christian.

To being a faithful Christian. No. And I'm a six -day creationist.

Okay. Brayden? It's essential to be, so it's not asking if it's an essential of Christianity, it's asking if it's an, give me a second.

Sorry, kiddo started crying. It, it's not, if it's asking if it's essential to be a

Christian, I would answer it differently than being a faithful Christian. Because I think six -day creationism is the correct faithful interpretation.

And the way I'm understanding that question, I would say, yes, it is important for a faithful, to be a faithful Christian to be that.

And so, it just depends on how you're understanding what faithful Christian means. Someone who is living their life looking to Jesus Christ by faith.

Right. Which, I mean, I guess another way to expand on that is it also getting at faithful Christian would be,

I think, somebody that's faithfully treating the Word of God correctly. So, I think I would say yes.

I guess it's just asking, I guess it just comes down to how is the, what means. The questions are generic and it's really hard.

Yeah, they are hard. The three core doctrines that I would say that someone has to believe in order to be a

Christian is the doctrine of God, the doctrine of the Trinity, and the doctrine of justification by faith alone.

Right. So, if that's what it was asking, to be a Christian, would it be essential?

I would agree with you, no. No, it wouldn't. But if you're going to be faithfully handling a text,

I would say that you should be a six -day creationist. However, I wouldn't throw someone out of the kingdom that wasn't.

For sure. Yeah, I agree with you on that. I agree with that too. Okay, here's another good one. Agree or disagree.

Drinking coffee during Sunday worship service is disrespectful.

Disagree. We're talking about in the house of God, we all hold to the regular principle of worship.

We're in the sanctuary, the house of prayer, where the preaching of the word is going forth through the pulpit, and Sally Jo enters the congregation with a cup of coffee and is sipping on her latte all through the sermon.

Is it disrespectful? No. What are your thoughts,

Sam? I've drank coffee while Pastor Jeff is preaching.

That wasn't a question. That wasn't a question, though.

I don't know. I don't believe so. Yeah, I mean, listen, we can't be legalistic.

We want to be biblical, not legalistic. That is definitely tap dancing with pietism.

Since you skipped over me on the Genesis, on the six -day creation. You gotta speak up.

What I was going to say is that I think that's as foundational as Genesis 3 .15.

It determines how you read the rest of the Bible. I would stick with Jeff on saying that I wouldn't kick a person out of the kingdom because the

Presbyterians have a different view on Genesis 3 .15 than we have. We definitely consider them brothers.

It's essential to our interpretation, the way that we interpret Genesis 3 .15 and the way that they do, because they believe that the covenant was inaugurated at that point.

We would say, oh, heck no. It changes our interpretation of it. We think that they're not being faithful with that text.

However, we do not say that they're not brothers. We dare not say. I agree.

Again, I don't think that the question was asking whether or not a person is a brother. It was asking is it inappropriate to bring a coffee into the...

Genesis 3 .15. I was still on the question. He brought back up Genesis 3 .15.

I got you. Concerning the coffee, if you're dealing with the regulative principles of worship...

Tom doesn't have his hearing aid in. If it's not disrespectful to bring in a cup of coffee and drink your coffee, what about a sandwich?

I think you could do... You could take anything into a church and make it disrespectful, right? If there's a person who is falling asleep and snoring in church, that's disrespectful and not right.

If... There's so many examples of being able to make something disrespectful, right?

So I think sipping on a cup of coffee, I don't think is that disrespectful. If somebody has diabetes and needs to have a bite of sandwich every while and have a little bit of peanut butter,

I don't see an issue with it. Again, if you are interrupting worship from somebody else, that's disrespectful, right?

If you're interrupting the preaching, that's disrespectful. What's that? If you're drawing attention to yourself.

Yeah, I think... If you're drinking a coffee, you're doing this. Yeah. All right.

That's one thing. We have family -integrated worship. One of the ways that you train your kids is to have a little bag of snacks sometimes.

Right. Is that sinful? No. I say absolutely not.

To say it is, is illegalism. I would agree. I read today

Romans 11, right? From my brand -new Jeffrey Rice Rebound ESV Creason Confessions.

And I wouldn't take a sandwich into the pool pit while I was reading or a cup of coffee. Right. So, yeah.

I take a bottle of water. Bottle of water? Yeah. I mean, if someone wanted coffee in the pool pit,

I don't see a problem with it. Yeah. What if somebody takes a monster up with them? You can't eat a sandwich and preach, but you can drink something and preach.

What about an energy drink, like a monster up in the pool pit with the pastor? Well, it's got the 666 on it, so no.

I knew you were going to go there. I have drinking an energy drink behind the pool pit. I mean, I've taken it up with me and I wouldn't drink it.

I have a hard time pausing in the middle of a sermon to take a drink of anything. Well, that's because you don't know how to do it.

I can show you how to do it. Oh, so I remember that. You tell people, you say, turn in your

Bibles, too. You've drawn their attention to turn to a different text. And that's when you take your sip. At the last conference, and I'm not going to mention his name, but at the last conference, there was somebody who had a plastic water bottle who was preaching.

And every time he grabbed that drink, you heard the plastic just crackling.

No, it wasn't you. I know who it was. Sam Waldron. Stop it.

Get out of here. He is my hero. That didn't happen. He's lying. It was so bad.

You know, he's getting old and he needs to breathe. He's older than me.

He's trying to breathe and he's getting thirsty. You know,

I just listened to that sermon like a week ago and I didn't even notice it.

I didn't notice it either. You need to check your heart, Tom. You need to check your heart and listen to the word next time.

Yeah. Oh, here's a good one. Yeah, that's a good question right there. Hey, that's what happens though when you get old.

You start to get nitpicky about things, right? So being 150 really makes you a nitpicker, huh,

Tom? You better believe it. Hey, this is a good question. What about an iPad instead of a physical

Bible? I personally don't. I prefer, I'm going to say I would prefer a Bible, but I'm not going to have an issue if somebody wants to preach from an iPad instead of a

Bible. I agree. I mean, I preach from a physical copy of the

Bible and I also have a leather -bound notebook that I have my notes in because I can't find a good iPad type software for preaching.

Right. I do like, and of course I don't spend as much time as you guys do anything,

I do like the presenter mode on iPad when preaching if you're going to preach from a manuscript.

But not everybody likes that. So, yeah. That's a good question.

What about this, when you're street preaching, phone, is it okay to use a phone or should you use a physical

Bible? I'll tell you what I do. So I have a physical Bible.

This is my street preaching Bible. And inside my Bible I have little cards.

So this card right here has Romans 5 verse 1. And then underneath it

I'll have some main points. I got justified, which means made right with God by faith.

So when I'm preaching, I'll have it like that. But I'll have the

Bible in my hand so people can see a physical copy of the Bible. And if someone stops, I already have a Bible in my hand where I can talk to them.

But instead of opening it up and being all windy and stuff, I have the scripture that I'm going to preach right there.

And I have several 5, 6, 7, 8 cards with different verses on it to highlight things. Right. So my wife's chiming in.

I'm going to let her chime in. So now regarding this, when

I'm at church, every once in a while my pastor sits to my left.

And I bring in my La Croix when I drink. And one time it went whoosh!

When I opened it to drink it. And he turned and looked at me. I was like, it's water.

It's water. It's water, I swear. Did Debbie almost give you the one -two?

She might have. She may or may not have. The two -piece, no biscuit?

So I've got big red. But whenever I'm out in the streets, I take little red with me.

So I like a physical copy. Now is that just a New Testament? Yes, the

LSB. I like that. Jeff gave me this not too long ago because I gave my preaching

Bible away to my cousin. So this is the same Bible. I'll sometimes use it street preaching.

Again, with this one, it folds up so you can just go right to it or whatever. And it's big enough, too.

And it's verse -by -verse, isn't it? Yes, verse -by -verse. And it's a really good read. This is something that I recommend if you're going to do door knocking.

Have you one of these? Because after walking a long time holding a physical copy of the

Bible, it's really tough. And so I just keep this right here in my backpack. I could put this in the back of my pocket.

I have the same thing. I use that one, too, except when it's rainy or windy outside and the pages are flipping.

And those are small enough, like you said, you could just flip it over and use them. I've been in incidents where I've had someone stop and ask a question and the

Scripture that I wanted to take them to was not in the New Testament with Psalms and Proverbs. Isaiah answers a lot of things.

And so ever since then, I've been trying to carry the physical copy, the bigger copy.

If I preach out of this one, sometimes I'll have a Bible just sitting a full copy of the

Bible sitting near me. And if a car stops, I'll make sure, yes, Red, I'll make sure to have to grab that copy of the

Scriptures in my hand. I'll be passing out tracks, running in and out of traffic, and Jeff thinks

I'm going to get hit. If I'm talking to a vehicle that's pulled up with people in it,

I'll whip out my phone and go to the LSB app on my phone and share

Scripture with them from there. I'll use that as well, the LSB from the phone or whatever.

What about this one? This is not AI. This is Tom Shepard generated question, when street preaching.

If you know you're within your legal rights on the street, you're obeying the sound ordinance, police officer comes up to you, says he's going to arrest you if you do not stop preaching the gospel.

He's warned you, you're going to go to jail. Go to jail. What would you do?

Go to jail. Again, I think it just depends on the context.

In the context that you just gave, I would say I wouldn't stop. But there could be a situation that I would stop.

Let's say a funeral was coming down the road.

There's certain situations that I would stop and be respectful. I don't try to make myself...

I know the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing and people who are perishing are going to hate it.

But I don't try to put more... I don't try to give them more of a reason to hate it by me being an a -ho.

Right. Kind of like the old Michael Schultz, don't be a jerk type of thing.

It just depends on the context. If that caught me being a jerk, he's going to have to arrest me.

Yeah. But I don't mind having a jail ministry. Yeah.

For sure. Troy Dickerson says church crier or praise worship team at church.

Neither. Congregational singing. Boom. Congregational, absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah, through and through. Something that's kind of cool at the church that I'm at now, they really have a heavy emphasis on turning down the music, even the instrument music, so that you can really hear the church sing with their voice.

I appreciate that. I listen to a lot of... We play a lot of Sovereign Grace music.

I don't know. Do you guys use the Sovereign Grace music or the Grace Hymnal from Grace Community at your guys' church?

We use Hymns of Grace. Hymns of Grace, that's what I meant.

We also... If we do a song that's not in that hymnal, we'll just have it on the

TV screen. But we also sing psalms every week. I always like it when we're singing the

Hymns of Grace, and usually that last stanza, they shut off the organ or the piano or whatever.

All you hear is octopilla voices. It's just something about men and women singing.

You ought to hear us when we're doing a sea stancing. Everybody's slapping. I bet that's awesome.

It's so good. Sanctify the Lord, he said. To the bird, to the bird, we're going down.

Everybody's smacking the pulpit. I'm stomping. People are smacking the pulpits.

Just think about how it's going to sound in the new building. The mud floors. We're going to be like an army marching.

Going back to the ordinate, like the cop going out wanting to arrest you for the noise.

and stuff. Dude, the Bose speakers that Jeff has, they've never even said anything to us about them, but they blazed through the community, man.

And we got two Bose $1 ,500 set speakers. Those are, yeah, those are busters.

Yeah. We've had people back behind in a, in the, in a community behind Zaxby's on the other side of the road back behind this restaurant that say they can hear us all the way back in the neighborhood.

Yeah. Wow. So here, here you guys go. Who's going to jump on that one?

What do you say to Christians who say street preaching is not effective? Anyone come hang out with me.

That's exactly what I was going to come, come, come out and, and, and witness the Lord is doing through covenant reform

Baptist church. As we're on our church, the straight preaching. Yeah, absolutely. And, and you know, the tagline on my, on my thing is even if none, which is a book by Ryan didn't reclaiming biblical evangelism.

And number one, we know that God's word is going to go forth and it's going to accomplish exactly what he, what he purposed it to accomplish.

But also here's the thing that I think we need to think about is, is God did not give us the ministry.

He gave Isaiah. Yeah. He didn't tell us that people weren't going to hear.

He told us, he told the disciples, the Christians to go out and make disciples of all nations. Right.

I'll tell you what's not effective. Not doing anything. That's right. Yeah. And his sheep will hear his voice.

God works through means we, we all believe that, that he's chose who he's going to redeem before the final world.

He works through means and that the very means of, of a person coming to Christ is through hearing through greeting.

How can they hear without a preacher? Right. So that, that is, that is the method in which

God has chosen to use, to bring his people to, to himself. Right. So, and yeah,

Georgia said, whether it is or not, it glorifies God. That's right. So, because God is glorified in the proclamation of the gospel, whether people come or not, right.

He's glorified in leaving out their sin. If you ask Red, I go out there with the expectation that God's going to do something.

Right. Like I do, I, we have the power of God to salvation on our lips.

I think a lot of the reason why a lot of people don't see any fruit from street preaching is that they're going to places.

I mean, it was the same thing that we had talked about a few weeks back. They're, they're going to preach at places where a whole bunch of people have traveled to gather together.

Even if you're, you're preaching does affect someone, you're not going to see any fruit from it because they're going back to some other place, you know, and going to some other church.

Me and Red, we focus our evangelism near our church building where we have gatherings.

And that's why we're able to see the fruit that we're seeing. We're not traveling downtown Nashville, preaching to thousands of people.

Trust me, we could, absolutely could. We're preaching to, you know, bare, you know, just a very few people and we're being faithful and doing so, and God is saving people and growing our church through it.

And you're, you're able, God is being gracious though, that you see it because of you're doing it in your area and doing it in our area.

Yeah, for sure. And we, we, we, we expect God to save people. Sure. Jeff has modeled our, our evangelism efforts after what

Jesus and the apostles did. I'm talking about during Jesus's ministry.

He preached local. He preached in Jerusalem and in the surrounding areas around Jerusalem.

And yeah, it went forth after. And how it went forth was as they did enter a nation, plan a church, evangelize, fill the church, so on.

And they would just keep multiplying that right there. Right. The apostles didn't go somewhere and preach 20 miles away from their church one day, talk to people and then leave, go back and never see those people again.

That's not how it worked. And to think that's how it is, it's foolishness. Well, of course not.

One of the reasons why they didn't is because they're on foot and horseback. I don't think they would if they had cars.

They, they, they, they planted a church in a community and preached. I mean, you're, you're, you're totally dismantling my ministry when we go 20 miles away to Fredericksburg to go share the gospel when we can do it here too, but we're going to go where the people are.

I get that. But if you're doing it for the purpose of, of, of, of growing a church and send fruit.

Yeah. Like this is how, and I've been shouting from the rooftops for years because I got people,

I got people in my own town. They travel around the world and do evangelism and they asking people to pay.

And I'm like, we live in an area that needs evangelists out on the front, on the, you know, right here where we are.

I traveled 35 miles from my, from where I live to church.

And then when we evangelize, I do that as well. But I also preach here too. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think it's important too. I think the, to Jeff's point to one that we're not just called to go out and proclaim in the highways and byways that yes, we're called to make disciples followers.

Yeah. But also to, to point them in the right direction, to teach them to be followers of Christ.

How you can't listen. You cannot follow Christ outside of the local church. Oh, great.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But people need to hear the message too, right? A hundred percent. Yeah. And if they hear the message, they need to know, okay, now what?

Yeah. I think it's both in, right? Absolutely. Like, so my wife and I, it's been almost seven years now.

We went on a baby moon vacation. Well, it's actually been on, it's almost six years now. Excuse me.

Baby moon while Emily was pregnant with our first kiddo to Hawaii. And when I was in Hawaii, guess what

I did? Evangelism. Yeah, I understand. I would say. Evangelism. And so like, I mean, that's hundreds of miles away from where I live in Idaho.

Yeah. I mean, I've been talking about going on sports fan outreach when we did that, that little thing that I wouldn't mind going to another sports fan outreach, you know, traveling or doing something.

However, that's not the bulk of my ministry. The bulk of my ministry is Tallahumma, Tennessee. Agree. Well, I travel,

I travel 3000 miles every week for my job. And in the

States where I go, I evangelize. Right. And preach the gospel. Yeah.

Praise God for that. Because I think there's a lot of people in the local church, in the local church, and you guys would all agree with this.

Maybe 5 % are doing the evangelism that are of the members. Yeah. Maybe 5%.

You're giving them too much credit, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, there are people too with specific gifts, but evangelism is something that I've had to work at.

It's not a gift. Oh, I've had to work at apologetics.

I've had to work at learning other religions and what they believe. And so I don't misrepresent them.

And I've had to learn the gospel. I got to preach the gospel to myself every day and be motivated to go and to talk to strangers that I don't know.

And I'll say that you are better as we go on, as we go out weekly, as we go out, you actually get better.

I mean, Jeff, you've said it yourself that when you go out and you share the gospel these days,

I mean, you can do it in your sleep. You could just boom. It's natural now. You know, just because of the amount of time that you've gone out and did evangelism.

Yeah. I mean, like, you know, the repeatable process that I use for preaching, like I've been using the same repeatable process for four and a half years.

Right. I I'm telling like I can write a sermon in my sleep like or when

I'd go out street preaching or whatever, I kind of use that same act like I just look at a text. And in my mind,

I determine the text. I I, I find my theme, my proposition.

I create an interrogative. I, I, I, I, I download within my head an outline with a transitional statement.

Like real quick, I can just look at the text and all that stuff. Are you saying you're getting downloads from the

Holy Spirit? No, it's just the information that I have from that repeatable process.

Are you an AI robot? You know, that was one of the questions. Did you come up with this, these questions,

Jeff? But I do live, I live by a philosophy in martial arts, right?

Don't fear the person that knows a thousand different moves. Fear the person that knows one move and has done it a thousand times.

There you go. Yeah. Right. And this is something that I do week after week, day after day, like this repeatable process, determine a text, find the text, find the theme, proposition, give an interrogative statement, create an outline and give a transitional statement.

And then you explain that, explain that. For the, for the, for the

Christian, that's an infant, right? That, that is newly born, that has the gospel, has the power of God for salvation to all who believe.

They, they too can, they don't have to know, all they know, all they need to know is the mirror of the law and the gospel.

Yeah. And they have, and they have what it takes to be an effective evangelist. That's, you know, that's a really good point.

We have several people that go out with us in evangelism and, and there are people like you that said, matter of fact, there's, there's children that come out with us.

There's a, there's a Wendy's, Wendy's son named Noah. He's, I think he's 11 years old or so.

I hope he's not 10 or 12, but he's a young lad and he's, he's,

God has put somebody in front of him. And that young man is sharing what he knows to the best of his ability,

Christ in him crucified to this, to this person. And it would be wrong of me to think,

I know the gospel better that I'm going to go over there and just bump him out of the way and start communicating because God has ordained it for that young man to meet that person, to share the gospel of God.

It's the power of God is salvation. And so God chooses the instrument that he's going to use to the best of their ability.

And God will do that work through that instrument. A hundred percent. I believe that ready for another question.

Here we go. Agree or disagree playing violent video games or watching violent movies is acceptable as long as it doesn't lead to sinful behavior.

Agree. So let's say it again, playing violent, playing violent video games or watching violent movies is acceptable as long as it does not lead to sinful behavior.

The question is, is that sinful behavior? Well, the question, I think that, you know, the question is very subjective because what's, you know, we can have different,

I mean, even us four can have different opinion on what's considered violent. Right. Yeah.

Somebody could say UFC game and somebody could say Mortal Kombat or whatever.

Yeah. Cause I mean, like personally myself, I grew up in the fight world, boxing, martial arts, stuff like that.

To me, to me, this is a sport. Right. Right. And so I don't see

UFC or anything like that as, as, as violent because they're not out there in anger or hurting people.

I mean, this is stuff that I, you know, I've trained in and, and, you know, I used to say, you don't know nobody.

You don't know somebody until you get kicked in the mouth. You know, I mean, I've had so many, you know,

I go into a gym and fight with some people that I didn't know.

And afterwards we're hanging out, eating a sandwich and it's just like. Right.

And then some people even saying, what are you doing? Wasting your time playing a video game in the first place. I personally don't, you know,

I mean, if we play video games, it's as a family and it's Mario karts. And let me tell you something,

I'm freaking bananas. They'd be throwing us violent. Okay. Yeah.

The poor turtle. Yeah. Yeah. That's violent as violent can get right there, guys.

I think a lot of this comes down to the Liberty of conscience. Yeah. If you are having an issue, like truly,

I think there was a statistic I was hearing actually Joe Rogan talk about this, that the best surgeons are actually active video game players.

Just with, so there's a case to be made that playing video games has helped them to be better at their job with fine muscle tune

Twitch skills. Right. And so Shepherd agrees. Pilots. Yeah.

And so, you know, I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Right. If somebody is having, if somebody has maybe anger tendencies or has whatever the sinful behavior is in it, video games lead into that, then probably avoid it.

I think it's, it's one of those things that it's just a base by base case. I mean, I think some people shouldn't watch football because they get all hyped up and start beating things or whatever.

Like I, like I can watch the fights. I'm dead chilling. I know sometimes I'd be like, you know, one, two, one, two, one, one, you know, but for the most part,

I'm just relaxed, but I definitely, if my, my guy loses, I don't get up and kick anything. Right.

Yeah. Okay. Here's another one. Agree or disagree. Celebrating Halloween is a matter of Christian Liberty and not inherently sinful.

Agree. Agree. I think people are going to be way too legalistic, man.

Take a freaking chill pill. This is a chill pill. It's not a Xanax. Okay. Don't be taking Xanax. I was trying to pick a fight.

Right. Let's see here. Okay. Agree or disagree.

I think you guys, you know, I don't know. Agree or disagree. All church members should be required to sign a statement of faith before joining the congregation.

For church membership? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. That's an agree. Yeah. To sign, to sign a statement of faith, basically saying that you agree.

Yeah. So I wouldn't have an issue with it, nor do I have an issue if it isn't.

I don't think it, like to sign something, I don't have an issue with it, or I don't have an issue if a church doesn't have that.

So I was going to say in the spirit of what I think that question's getting at, does somebody have to agree with and be able to say,

I would put my name to that, essentially saying, I say amen to whatever the statement of faith is.

I think that's very important for church membership. If your church just says, oh yeah, you can be a member, you can vote here tomorrow, and you don't really have to agree with our doctrine, like that's not church membership.

Right, right. Every month, at the beginning of the month, we have a corporate, you could call it a statement of faith.

It's a confession. It's a public confession. It's our covenant. We verbally covenant with one another.

So, and we do that at the beginning of the month, every month. The entire congregation reads it together, and we all agree upon it.

Now, in order to be a member of our church, so right now, you do not have to fully subscribe to the 1689.

The leaders have to fully subscribe to the 1689. However, you do have to agree that you're not going to buck the system, and you're going to adhere to the teaching of the 1689.

Okay. So, given that, Clint Sloan said, how do you reconcile?

Here we go, Jeff. How do you reconcile Colossians 2 .16, which says, therefore, no one is to judge you in food or drink, or respect the festival, or new moon, or Sabbath day.

How do you reconcile that with the 1689 London Baptist Confession stance on the

Sabbath? Well, first, they're talking about two different things. Yes. So, we need to make sure that our, whatever it is that we're calling out is the same thing, right?

So, Sabbath days. You know how many Sabbath days they are, right?

You had all these different things. So, I think me and Braden would be in the same position here on what we see as the

Lord's Day Sabbath, right? So, the Old Testament, the Sabbath was on the seventh day.

So, Sabbath actually means seventh. However, it was when God rested.

God rested, and so He established this Sabbath day. On it, the

Sabbath day, the Old Testament Sabbath day, you could not work, nor could you carry a load.

There's nothing said in the Old Covenant Scriptures that you worship

God on that Sabbath day. That came about during the intertestamental period.

You do not find that in the Old Covenant Scriptures. Worship on the

Lord's Day is established in the New Covenant. We see that they would gather together on the

Lord's Day, and we would say that it has to do, so the

Old Covenant Sabbath finds its fulfillment in Christ. Christ is our

Old Covenant Sabbath rest. We rest from our works, our trying to keep the law to live by trusting in Christ.

When Christ was crucified, He said, it is finished. However, it wasn't fully finished until He rose from the grave.

In Acts 2, it tells us that when He came out from the grave, that He sat on the throne of David.

His resurrection is speaking about His rest, His complete rest from His work,

His finished work, and His death, burial, and resurrection. So, our

Sabbath mandate is on the first day when Christ came about the ground, which represents

His rest. Old Covenant, the seventh day, God rested after creating things.

New Covenant, after the death, burial, and resurrection, Christ's resurrection represents Christ sitting on the throne of David, which symbolizes

His rest, and His rest is focused not on us laying back and not doing anything.

It's focused on our worship to Him, because that's what you see took place throughout the Scriptures.

Anybody want to add to that? But that's just dealing with the Sabbath day. That's not what

Colossians is talking about. Right, it's not. Yeah, there are many moons and everything, festivals and all that. Yeah, so it's a misinterpretation of Colossians 2, 16.

On the day that Jesus gave the Great Commission to the apostles in Matthew 28, they worshiped

Him. And we also see after heavy persecution on the

Sabbath, the Christians established worship on Sundays.

I agree with Jeff. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. Right, so we would also say in the 16th -minute line,

London Baptist Confession of Faith, that there is one day in seven set apart. And people would say, well, you're talking about the law of Moses.

But if you look in Exodus 16, before the law was written on stone, written on tablet, there was a

Sabbath. So the Sabbath day, that one day set apart in God, actually transcends the

Decalogue. And so it's a creation ordinance. You're not saying transcends the

Decalogue. The Decalogue is transcended. The moral law of God transcends.

That's what I'm saying. It transcended the 10

Commandments. It transcended the moral law being written on stone. That's what

I said, the Decalogue. Yeah, but those words were all, it's transcended.

It was before, in the beginning, God created. And it will be after whenever we're... Right, again, the

Sabbath transcends the Decalogue. It was before the Decalogue. And because it was before the

Decalogue, since it was transcendent, it always was. It's the eternal thing. It was the creation ordinance.

And there's something greater than the creation that happened on that seventh day.

There's something that happened even greater, and that was the resurrection of Christ, which is why we point to just what

Jeff said earlier. But how do you fulfill the Sabbath in the New Testament? And I would argue that it's by believing in Jesus Christ.

Absolutely, yes. No, you love God. So the first four Commandments point to our love toward God, and it's fulfilled by believing in the name of the

Son, Jesus Christ. Yeah. 1 John 3, beginning in verse 23. Right, for having faith and believing

Him. Brandon, you got anything else extra? I think it's just helpful to remember that Sabbath means rest, and rest doesn't mean that you're sitting on your lazy boy in your house.

Even Christ, so God rested on the seventh day, and when

Jesus is accused of breaking the Sabbath, He says, My Father has been working even until now.

So even in God's resting, He was still working. You see what I'm saying? He wasn't kicking back, letting things take place.

He was still sustaining all things, bringing about the ultimate good, so on and so forth, and so on. And also, we know that Christ is the creator of all things.

Yeah, right. Right. So when it comes to the new covenant,

I think specifically, I think if the Christian thinks that our Sabbath means that you just sit at home and do nothing, that's not what a

Sabbath is. We need to be doing kingdom work, specifically and especially on that day that is prescribed to us in God's Word, which is not forsaking the assembly, which is gathering together and encouraging each other with songs, and hymns, and prayers, and fellowship, and hearing the

Word of God preached, and all these kind of things that we see in the first century taking place with the new covenant church, and that's what a

Sabbath is for a new covenant, covenant of grace member. Amen.

I hope that makes sense. You mean I can't sit on my lazy boy at home and worship from the couch?

No. As a matter of fact— Please do, but open your Bible at the same time. But this— Just don't let it be a heavy load, Sam. I saw a post by Jeff earlier today.

As a matter of fact, I think he posted earlier today, so he's going to— The one I shared? Yeah, I liked it.

This question has to do with that. Agree or disagree, skipping church for personal leisure or family time is sometimes justified in today's busy world.

Agree or disagree? Read it again. Skipping church for personal leisure or family time is sometimes justified in today's busy world.

Again, I don't think you need to be legalistic about it, because I do think that there is a place for traveling, a place for those things.

I don't get to take vacations. You're in the hospital. Yeah, I'm— Family's in the hospital.

Yeah, and so if I was going on vacation personally, like if I traveled somewhere and it was the

Lord's Day, personally, I would find a church to go to, because I just don't know what life is like not being at church on the

Lord's Day. Amen. But I wouldn't be legalistic about it. And say that someone else has to—

Like the Seventh -day Adventist, if you're traveling, they're going to find a church in the area for you to go to and make sure you went there.

Very, very legalistic. But I think the pattern of your life should be a life as a churchman.

I like that. I would push back. I agree with that it can't be legalistic.

There's always exceptions in some situations. Truly, if somebody's in the hospital,

I can think of a time that I— and I'm not going to share it, but a time that I missed a Lord's Day, and it was because of a terrible tragedy, and I, being the pastor, could not be at church.

That's what sometimes just has to happen as a shepherd. Let me give you a scenario. Let me finish what

I was going to say. But I think as Christians, though, if there isn't a reasonable— and I'm not being legalistic, so I don't think that's where I'm going with this.

If there's not a reasonable thing to make it so you— if you're forsaking the assembly just out of convenience, that's wrong.

That's where I was going to go with that. If you're forsaking the assembly of God for convenience sakes or for leisure sakes, that's wrong.

That's breaking a prescriptive law in God's Word that says do not forsake the gathering.

Do not forsake the assembly. Well, the forsaken there has a hard lean toward not being involved.

So it's not that you're going on a cruise. If you go on a cruise and you miss the

Lord's Day, I wouldn't say that someone has forsaken the kingdom of God. For sure.

Versus, like, I got some people right now, I got a family that hasn't shown up in seven weeks or eight weeks, nine weeks.

Like, that's forsaking the assembling of ourselves to gather together. So you're saying it's more of a pattern?

It is the pattern. Here's a real situation.

So if my wife and I go on a weekend getaway with our kids, say, to, like, a water park or something like that during the summer, we have always made sure in the past, we've been married for 10 years, that we make it back on Sundays so that we can go to church.

Yeah. I mean, that's a good thing. I mean, like I said earlier, if me and my wife went on, it's like, say, if the church said,

Jeff, you know, because I really don't get days off. But if they said, we want to give you, we haven't had a vacation since we got married, which was our honeymoon.

And if they said, we want to give you a vacation, I would take it. But I would also, if it was near the

Lord's Day, I would find a church in that area that was the most biblical church that we could find. Absolutely.

Go there and worship the Lord during that hour or two hours. Absolutely. I agree.

But that's just me. I wouldn't tell someone else they had to do what I would do. Well, I mean, if we're going to be,

I think that it's a matter, well, where I was, where I would go with it is that, is

God number one in your life? Is he? Well, he is in my life. Yeah, of course.

Again, the thing is, is that we cannot be, is we cannot take something and be legalistic about it.

But that's not being legalistic if the Bible prescribes it. But if you use the

Hebrew's pattern, because it's forsaking. Yes, yeah.

So don't say we didn't go there, but we are called to go. Yeah, but we're called to gather and to assemble together.

It's like - Well, that's not saying, that's not saying, hear me out. That's not saying that we have a right to go to the

Lord's Day on this Sunday and every other week. I mean, we're not forsaking that way either.

I don't think that way. So it's more than that. If God is number one and prescribes us to go worship him daily and we're to gather with the saints daily or, you know, on the

Lord's Day, I think that it would be more prescriptive. I think it is prescriptive to put God number one.

I honestly think that God would not be pleased with a person that didn't put him number one to go worship him every week without a legitimate reason for missing.

That's me. I don't think that I'm being legalistic. Well, I would argue that in that case, you are a little bit.

Okay, so let's just say a married couple. Let's say, you know, you want to have sex every night with your wife.

All right. And your wife doesn't want to have sex one night. Has she forsaken the marriage bed because she didn't want to do it one night?

So, I mean, if we were to go - A pattern of an active sex life with your wife.

Yeah. I would say if it was a prescriptive thing in the covenant made, then in some sense, yes.

If that was prescribed, instead of saying sex, let's just say that in a marriage, it is a part of the covenant agreement that we're going to eat spaghetti every single night.

If that is the agreement, then that's the agreement, right? Like, you see what

I'm trying to get out with that? So if there's something that's prescribed in the new covenant - Y 'all are legalistic, man.

No, so here it is. Because let's go ahead and go with the sex. Let's go with what the

Scripture says. Let's let the Bible have the final word. It says, unless they come to an agreement for a time, except fasting, so in other words, if I want to have my sex with my wife, my wife is obligated.

Every night. Obligated any time I want, because her body is not her own and my body is my own.

That doesn't feel good at all, at all. So you're misinterpreting the text, right?

Get out of your mind. No, uh -uh, no. You have a lot. Your body is not your own.

It's to forsake. No, your body's not your own is what the Scripture says.

I know, but - And her body's not her own. If she doesn't feel good, or if I don't feel good,

I'm okay right now. If I don't feel good, I'm doing nothing. The Scripture says, unless she comes to an agreement.

Am I forsaken the marriage bed if I don't feel good? Ignore the Scriptures then, Jeff. Ignore the

Scriptures. It's not about ignoring the Scriptures. You are ignoring the Scriptures. No, you're raising the issue of greed.

It doesn't say that? Hey, we're going to set up an octagon and let you guys punch it out, all right?

He wouldn't have a chance, bro. I'd like to see Jeff knock

Tom out. I wouldn't touch Tom. I'd probably put him in an armbar, though. I don't think he'd be in an armbar, but we could find that out when

I get there. Something that Troy just said, I think that is important to take note of.

There's a difference between requirement and the New Covenant, then. We don't maintain our covenant membership like in the

Old Testament of being a part of the nation of Israel. We are in Christ, and through grace alone, and faith alone, and Christ alone, we are made undeservingly partakers of this covenant of grace, where there is prescription of how we should be able to operate inside of it, but your membership is not dependent upon that participation and how you act in that covenant.

So, if part of the covenant of grace is that you submit to leaders, submit to leaders in your church, if you don't submit to a leader, it doesn't mean that you've lost your membership in the covenant of grace.

There's several examples of that, several, several examples of that. But you should submit to your leaders.

Ultimately, why? Because you're in a year of covenant of grace member, so you should submit to leaders.

If you're a part of a church body that has elders, and you want to be a member of that church, you should understand the requirements of submitting to your leaders.

Oh, yeah. So, explain that. So, can the church leaders tell you anything that they want to, and you have to obey it?

No. Oh, there. Yeah, I agree with that. So, what would be the parameters in which...

So, if you look at Romans 13, we're called to submit to the authorities, our civil authorities, as long as they're abiding by what they're called to do.

And the same way would be for pastors and elders, right? If an elder doesn't have authority to tell you, you can't have to wear a blue shirt on Sunday, well, he's stepping outside his realm of authority, right?

Unless I got a... What about a pride flag button -up shirt? What about a pride flag button -up shirt?

Yeah. What about a guy with long hair? Would you let a guy with long hair go to your church? Yeah. All right.

Well, the scripture says that it's shameful for a man to have long hair.

Would you let a woman with short hair go to your church? Yes. Scripture says it's shameful.

See, I think that's just that Corinthian text. I think that's the answer in context. You're compromising the scriptures.

Unless that's... No, I think it's the answer in context. We've talked about this before. We've talked about this before.

This is a... I'm not being legalistic about it, because I would let a man to have long hair, because I'm not being legalistic.

Y 'all are the legalists. Unless it's a cultural thing, and you're misinterpreting...

It's not a cultural thing. Yeah, I was going to say it goes back to a cultural thing. It's absolutely not a cultural thing. I've already told you I'd debate you on the topic.

It absolutely is a cultural thing. It's not a cultural thing. Yes, it is.

All right, well, let's set up a debate on it. Let's do it. The debate, the 1689

Black Sheep debate, cultural...

We're getting a cage for the conference. I'm beginning to think

Jeff wants a cage. Hey, I'm down, man. I've been in a few, so...

What else we got? I got to take my medicine, hold on. We're at an hour and 15 minutes.

I think if you name the name of Christ, right, and you know that it's sinful not to go to church, then that becomes sin for that person that knows that they're sinning.

But I mean, on the other hand, a person that loves the Lord, they're going to desire to be with the body of believers and to hear, to sit under the preaching of the word and to worship and to sing.

We have a couple out of our church right now. An elderly couple, they've been married like 50 years.

They're on a cruise ship for a week or two.

They're taking a cruise together. There's no way in the world that I would say that this couple is forsaken the gathering of the assembly together.

I will say that the couples that are spending seven or eight weeks apart from the church, knowing that they could be there, are forsaken the gathering of the assembly.

I would agree with you. That's what I've been arguing for. That's what I've been saying the whole time. I would agree with you.

Okay, let's ask the question. I would agree with you 100%, Jeff. Is there a church on the ship?

That's what I started out saying. Is there a church on the ship? Where they're traveling or they're on vacation.

That's what we were saying. Such as a cruise ship. No, that's what we were saying. That's what

I was saying. No, it wasn't. No, you're saying that if somebody felt like they didn't have to on a vacation.

No, I never said that. No, Jeff's been arguing that the whole time. Never said that.

Just been arguing. I'll preach against that weekly. You said that forsaking was a patterned behavior.

Yeah, I said because someone could go on a vacation, go on a cruise ship. And I mentioned how someone can do something that I don't get to do.

And that's going on vacation. I said, but however, if I was on a vacation, I would try to find a church.

But I wouldn't condemn someone who didn't. I'm not condemning anybody either. But we didn't say that we were condemning either.

Yeah, listen, listen, listen. Seriously, in this example, cruise ship.

Is there a church on the cruise ship? I'd go. No, I've been on a cruise ship. If there's not a church on the cruise ship, then that's a fine exception at that point.

They don't have the option of it. But if there's a cruise ship, they would be. Let's say let's say there's a reformed

Baptist church on the cruise ship. This is the best. Definitely wouldn't be a reformed Baptist church. They might be a charismatic church.

Let's just say there was. This is a hypothetical question. If there was and your church member said,

I'm good. I'd rather lay in bed today. That is forsaking the gathering.

Yeah, I would say that's wrong. Yeah, that's what I'm that's what Tom and I think are arguing this whole time forward.

Yeah, just very is getting pretty long.

Is that considered shameful? This ain't long, bro. I got my guy. I've had it down in my belly button.

Oh, yeah. Joel Osteen cruise ship for sure. Yeah, if there was a Joel Osteen cruise ship, brother,

I'll tell you right now. If I'm going to do anything, it's going to be on the outside of it preaching. I was just going to say open air preaching on a cruise ship.

That's what we'd be having church. Mm hmm. But again, like again,

I got families that haven't been in church in a while and they are forsaken the gathering of the assembly.

Yeah, I mean, it it is what it is. Yeah, but I also got a family that's on vacation and they're not right.

I mean, my point is, I agree with you on that. I would I do too. I agree with Mickey on this.

What else would you rather do on Sunday? I agree. I'm a churchman.

Yeah, there's no place in the world I'd rather be than with the saints. Right. And worshiping

God, opening up the Bible, opening up, you know, listening, singing together with the saints, fellowshipping with the saints, you know.

All that. Yeah, I just something's wrong. I think I can. I think

I could. I can say that a person that doesn't think like that or either very, very immature.

They're definitely not out of a fellowship. I don't think I'm being legalistic and saying something's wrong with your walk.

If you don't desire to go to church every morning. Well, let's look at some issues that could arise that would keep someone from from forsaken.

Yeah, like I mentioned today, sin. Yeah, right.

If if if if a Christian has fallen into sin, they're going to want to be at church as much as a bank robber wants to hang out with cops.

Yeah. Right. When you're in sin, you don't you don't hang around.

Yeah, and so I would I would just ask someone who if they're listening to this and they have been forsaken the assembling of themselves together.

Is it because you're living in sin? Yeah, guilty.

And, you know, you don't want to be around the people of God, especially those that know you best and would call you out on your crap.

You don't want to be in a place where especially if you have biblical preaching, where you're always faced with sin, righteousness and judgment from the word.

Yeah. So maturity is the humble clay writes this.

He said maturity is definitely an issue. It's so easy for people to get when they're kneeling on Christians.

It is. It is. It is. And they need to be.

I would say all four of us men have have been there, right, where we're doing stupid things in our young walk that we would be ashamed of today if we were doing the same things that we were doing back then.

Yeah. So the problem, though, like in most cases, is churches don't have true discipleship.

So when you have a new Christian that's coming to the faith, there's no one there to truly disciple that that new believer.

Right. They just think, you know, they might go to church on a Sunday, Sunday night or a

Wednesday, and they're sitting there in the congregation and they're listening to the message. But there's no true, authentic koinonia.

There's no fellowship because that's where discipleship takes place. It's in the fellowship. It's in the one another rings, right?

The word of God being poured over you. That is that means of grace. It's going to grow you in holiness.

So, yeah, I would also go ahead. I was just going to also add to that is that a new believer needs to remember, you know, the price that was paid on the cross for their salvation.

You know, so easy to forget of those things. What are you meditating on? What are you filling yourself up with? But what better way to have that than in fellowship?

Right. Hundred percent. Yeah. Like when we gather together at the cigar shop, we're not talking about the basketball game.

Right. We're talking about Christ. Yeah. We're called we're doing what the angels did in Isaiah chapter six and the seraphims were calling to one another, reminding each other how holy, holy, holy

God is. Yeah. Definitely agree.

Well, we have a conference coming up in February. You don't see us big person.

Come hang out. If you want to see Jeff, put me in an arm bar.

Come get tickets. Hundred dollars a pop. We're getting the cage.

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As Tom was just saying, it'll be a blessed time, February 20th to the 22nd. And don't miss out on the,

I mean, seriously, don't miss out on the pre -conference because we're going to not look at this guy down here.

You want to hear this guy preach. You need to hear big red, give a message on evangelism.

Don't so don't miss out. Yeah. We saw Keith Foskey is going to be here.

Who else we got? We got Keith Foskey. We got Joe, how do you say it?

Hemsworth Jonas, Sam Waldron. Oh man,

Michael Schultz. You're going to hear the fire of Claude Ramsey and Mark Chansky.

Yeah, that's right. We got a Booan. I'm learning how to say his name. That was impressive,

Tom. You better believe. Holy night. That was impressive. Yeah. Yeah, Claude, it'll be fun.

We love Keith Foskey too. Andrew Rappaport will be there.

Can't forget about Andrew. Marlon will be there.

Marlon's going to be there. That'll be good. The Holy Note. Austin Keeler is going to be there.

And you can get your very own Open Air Theology mug, which

I'm the only one that has one right now. I got a mug making machine in there.

Do you have one though? I could have one.

He's got a Bigfoot one. Yeah, I do. Dead Man Walking is going to be there,

Troy. So don't miss out on that. He'll be the one that's DJing and hosting in that sense, announcing people and whatnot.

He's our now only resident Presbyterian that's going to be at the conference, unless there's somebody in there that mix that I don't know about that's recently converted to Presbyterianism.

You don't convert to Presbyterianism. You get fooled. You backslide to Presbyterianism.

You get fooled and tricked. I'll tell you who's pretty close. You just tell him what you want him to preach.

He'll be a Presbyterian one day. Disconcessionalist one day. Did you hear what I said?

You don't convert. You backslide. A backsliding

Baptist is a Presbyterian. That's right.

What's a heretic? A MacArthurite? I was going to say what's a disconnection.

Hey, Orthodox MacArthur, we're going. This is third Friday, bro. Third Friday this week.

Where are you at? Who coming? I'm going to be at the third Friday in January, just so you know.

I'm hoping to leave out tomorrow so I can be there on Friday, Orthodox and Jeff.

Are you going to be there in January? And well, yeah,

I'll be there on the Lord's day when you come. But it's going to be on the evangelism when he comes too.

That's awesome. I'm ready. You're going to be there that day? Yeah, he'll be there Saturday for evangelism.

Okay, that's going to be fun. But because of my schedule,

I probably won't be there on the third Friday when you come in. Yeah, I'm giving you plenty of notice,

Red. Well, we can go to the cigar shop. You don't want to spend more time with Tom. We can go to the cigar shop on Saturday too.

You got a point. That's a very good point. The cigar shop's not only open on Fridays.

You mean it's open on a Saturday as well? Yes. Hey man, so the guy that runs the cigar shop text me yesterday.

He said that he was wanting to know if we're going to make it this third Friday because he has a bachelor party wanting to rent out the cigar shop.

He says, but if y 'all plan on coming, y 'all always got first dibs on third

Friday. That's pretty awesome. That's cool, dude.

Call them back and tell them let the bachelor party come. That way we can evangelize them.

Well, they're going to rent it out. No other customers can go in. When that fight occurred today at the bar down the way from the church.

We were talking to the cops. I was evangelizing the cop. Jeff had to drag me away.

That's awesome. I love it. Well, guys,

I got to get off. 1 hour and 43 minutes.

That was longer than I thought we'd go on. Thank you guys for joining us. We have some viewers today, so that's good.

Thank you guys for listening to us babble. Fight and cage fight and arm wrestle.

Thanks for letting me come on, y 'all. I really appreciate it. Enjoy. I enjoy talking to you guys.

Enjoy the camaraderie, even the fight. I can't wait to see you guys in the cage match.

Never know what's going to happen, bro. Just going to make black hair come into your beard again.

You know, I ain't like Tyson, man. I can walk across the ring, bro.

Get double legged. As long as you're not walking around in a g -string before.

You didn't even have any. It was just the strap. Are we allowed to say that?

What? The cup. What you saw was the cup.

What are we talking about? So we called them nut cups.

I don't know what else they're called. So forgive me, ladies. It's the cup that covers the private that keeps you getting hurt too bad.

And so the style he had was a thong style. It's just straps that we wrap around your butt.

I've never worn that style. I've worn the cups, but not that style. I'm out.

If you're walking around in one of those, Tom, I'm out. Brady's been stroking his beard all night long, man.

He used to play with his mustache. Now he doesn't have the horns. I got to say,

Brayden, I will say this. You used to have a major fixation with that stupid beard.

Oh, I know. I do. Thank God you're growing a beard. You're reformed now.

Oh, my goodness. Andrew Rappaport and Keith Foskey had a baby. Andrew Rappaport and Keith Foskey?

Keith Foskey. Brayden Patterson. I would say

I got all their good genes, but I don't know what good genes I got from them. I don't know what you got. You're able to do cold plunges.

You cold plunge? Cold plunges. No, I don't. I'd step on my floor barefooted.

I'd get sick. Too much of a sissy. All right, guys.

I got to get off here. All right, guys. You guys have a good night.

We'll see you guys next week. Hallelujah. All right.