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We are, you can say what you want but you won't around me. Cheap among misfits. A misfit in the trailer park at night. A misprint with the sixth sense. Been sick ever since my brother died of an O .D.
My two cents never made sense, either to me or anyone else inside of the sheep fence. My ninth sniff on my right side. Tell me what's the bottom line. The bottom line is I'm not right. I'm not left but this elephant won't fight.
There's nothing left but the spot, find me in the moon. In the deep end and I can't find my assigned seat to sit in. My theology don't fit in. Black sheep of the reformation sheep pen. I'm just another Baptist baptized again.
The best child of Anabaptist. I was going to say hello first and I got to do it first.
So hello, everybody. This is Open Air Theology. It's a blessing that you're joining us here tonight. I'm going to pass the mic over to my lovely co-host here to let him introduce himself first. And then I will go after Tom.
So go ahead, Tom.
Hey, well, hold on. I'm reading a text from Jeff right now. But anyway, I'll go ahead and kick this off. I'm waiting to see if Jeff's going to come on as well. Anyway, my name is Tom Shepard and I'm with Grace Bible Church of Birney.
And I head up a street evangelism team that goes out in Fredericksburg and Curville and Birney, San Antonio. As far south as Corpus Christi, we. Oh, Jeff's having trouble getting on as far south as Corpus Christi.
And we've even gone out to Oklahoma City or actually Oklahoma State in Tulsa and preach the gospel out there. And I'm also a host of Even If None and a co-host of Open Air Theology with Brayden Patterson and Jeffrey Rice.
Back to you.
Heck yeah. Love it. Yeah. So my name is Brayden Patterson. I am the I am. It's kind of a weird. I'm in a weird place right now. I have an installation going on in January on January 12th at Grace Bible Church in Moore Park, California.
And so I am set up to be the new pastor at that church. And so I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex Mormon. And it's a great blessing to be a co-host with Tom and Jeff on Open Air Theology here.
But but maybe just as a quick heads up, if you're new to this channel, if you're watching this show for the very first time, please subscribe to our YouTube channel, Open Air Theology. It'd be a great blessing to see you here.
We try to get on once a week on Sundays on the Lord's Day. Talk about our service, how worship was and just a variety of different topics. It's a great blessing. These guys make me laugh a lot more than a lot of other people do.
So it's good to be around. But Jeff is trying to get on right now. So we're going to see if we can get Jeff on. And then we're also potentially going to get Big Red Samuel Harris on as well. So we'll see what happens with that.
What's the update on that, Tom?
Well, I said, let's go, Jeff. He said, bro, chill out. It's not letting me on. That's all we got.
There he goes.
Hey, it's your turn.
All right, Jeff, go ahead and introduce yourself.
We'll pass it down.
What?
We're on. We're live.
What am I doing?
Introduce yourself.
You're introducing yourself as the pastor of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church, Jeffrey Rice, pastor and street evangelist from Tullahoma, Tennessee, also the co-host of Open Air Theology. There you go.
Now you don't have to do it.
And a great Bible reminder.
That's right. Well, we're we just got done just doing intro. So we're just about to talk about how our Lord's Day was.
So I got to go first, Jeff.
I do have a question, though, real quick, Braden. Is this only being streamed to YouTube or we got it on Facebook, too?
I did not send it to our Facebook just because it hasn't been doing right on my side on Facebook. Has it been doing? We can add it to it here. Do you want it on your Facebook?
Well, I just shared the YouTube to my Facebook, so that's cool. Yeah. So, Jeff, how's the Lord's Day? I heard two baptisms today.
And we had two baptisms at a Christmas feast. Good day. It was a good day. Good people were baptized were members of the church who who believed themselves to be Christians. But through the the sequential exposition of God's word came to faith in Jesus Christ.
Good. Really? All attending your church recently or what? That's pretty awesome.
We've had nearly we've had nearly 10 people in our small church saved and baptized this year.
Dude.
That's so cool. Praise the Lord. That's awesome to hear.
Yeah, that is how many actually came from evangelism?
Most of them.
So evangelism works.
Well, so for the most part, it was witnessing the one and then bringing other people, their families.
That's pretty incredible. Yes. Yesterday we we went out to Bernie. You know, it's a lot easier to share the gospel during Christmastime. You know, everybody's nobody's really giving you flack and nobody's going to over talking about Christ in his incarnation when you're.
So anyway, we had we had a guy by the name of Eric and his wife came to church this evening.
And it's just a blessing.
It's a huge blessing to see some fruit from the labor that when we go out on the streets and we proclaim the gospel, even if they're already Christians, not that you're trying to move believers from one church to another.
But maybe maybe a more solid church at our church. But anyway, it's always encouraging to see people that you meet out on the street come to church.
And that's what happened with us today.
It was really encouraging.
Praise the Lord. That's awesome. That's great.
I heard you do some kind of outreach at a facility and then somebody came to your church.
Yeah. So I got to I got to go. There was a cigar lounge nearby where we moved to. And so I got to go try it out the other night and met a gentleman who looking good right there. Met another gentleman who was really got to got to talk with him.
Whole bunch talked with him for an hour and 30 minutes. He ended up coming to church today. I was really good to see a new visitor the very first Sunday I got to preach at the church. So that was really exciting to see that.
But the church service itself was an absolute blessing. Grace Bible Church in Moore Park. It just really sweet fellowship today.
I got to preach.
So I got to do Sunday school. And then I got to preach from Ruth chapter 2 verse 3, which I was tying it in as a Christmas message. So it was really fun to be in Ruth, a book that a lot of people just look over and don't really consider and really see the implications of what God was bringing about even in Ruth.
Many, many, many years before his incarnation. So that was a blessing. And then I got to hang out with a whole bunch of other brothers and sisters in Christ throughout this day. So it's been a good day so far.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
And then I saw Jeff at your Christmas party online. Samuel got to open up his present.
I call that the ESV CNC red.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right. What a joy to hear. He goes, Jeff, you look tired, bro. He goes, you wore out. Jeff has been, what does he say? He goes, dig down, joy. You're not a dispensationalist.
Who is that? I can't see him.
You still can't see him on your side?
I can't see anything, man.
That doesn't make any sense. I don't know why you can't see him.
It doesn't.
This is what Troy just said right here.
Yeah, well, I'm wore out.
Yeah, well, you've been building a church. Not only spiritually, but.
I spent two days over there. Worked my full-time job. Spent two days over there at the church. I'm talking daylight to dark. And then got up at daylight this morning and started studying for my sermon again.
And preached. And I got home. I got home at right about almost 7 o 'clock from church.
Is that right? Wait a minute. Who's this here? I don't know who this is.
Let me look.
This is Dakota Clark. Hi, Tom. Joining y 'all from Bernie, Texas.
Hi.
Well, we're in Bernie, too. I'm glad you can join us today. Thank you for joining us.
Nice.
That's pretty cool.
That is great to see.
Yeah, that's awesome. So what else? Oh, so I got to tell you guys. So not everybody's seen this. So we're going to be bringing these to the conference. We got two. These are types. These are not the anti-type.
These are the types.
There's one type right there.
That's the original.
The original logo right there.
That's my favorite.
And that's Debbie's favorite, too.
She likes this one. She really likes this one.
So there's type one. And here's type two.
Not it.
Huh?
The AI special. Red coming on tonight?
And this is the AI special.
I didn't know that.
Well, we weren't sure where you were when we were looking. We just didn't know.
We figured.
What's up, Red?
There he is. What's up, Red?
What's going on, brothers?
All right, man.
It's good to see you, brother. Real good to see you.
That Bible is looking like the second nicest Bible in the world right behind mine.
Since yours is third, mine is number one.
Hey, y 'all ain't never seen one like this.
Nah.
But I got VR on.
I've never seen one like that.
It does look pretty good, Red. It looks real good. It looks really, really good.
Man, it is slick. It is.
The gold.
The gold page die.
Going to red.
I didn't know. Jeff did message Bibles.
Just the Bibles that have the message in it.
Hey.
Well, Sam, which mug do you like out of these two that Tom was just showing? Which ones are you a fan of?
I like the original design.
You like the original design?
Yeah, that one's sick. I like both of them, but the original design is.
I paid for the original.
Is more your cup of tea?
More my cup of coffee.
Ah, yeah, yeah, there it is.
They have another one.
So this is what we can do, too.
They have another one where she can make this to where it looks. Where it looks just white, right? And then you heat it up and magic happens and logo appears.
No, that's pretty cool.
Yeah, we can do that too.
So.
Well, what are we talking about, guys?
What's that?
How you liking your new digs?
Brother, it's a blessing so far. So we've been here for seven whole days now. The church itself is beyond gracious and kind. It's been a blessing getting to know everybody. And then the area, everybody in the area has been super, super, super kind.
From what I've been hearing is that this area that we're in is one of the more safe areas. One of the more conservative areas. One of the more family-orientated areas that we're living in in Southern California.
And so, really, we haven't had any bad experiences. The worst experience I've had all week long is spending three dang days at the DMV.
That was terrible.
That tried my patience. It was close to taking the Christian gloves off and starting to go fisticuffs with people in there. Because, man, oh, man, the people inside were super nice. The employees, super nice, super kind.
Can't say anything bad about them. The length of time I had to wait to get through the whole process. Three days of taking different paperwork in. And, oh, my goodness, it was a pain in the butt.
So, we're outvoted here. It looks like this one's going to be the one that we're going to get for the conference.
Cool.
Because people are liking this one the best. So, this right here, you can have this on special for just $19 .99. $19 .99.
You just got to come to the conference. This is a good time. We got to do a plug-in for the conference. Sam, what are we doing in February in Tullahoma, Tennessee?
We're going to be having an open-air theology conference. On the 19th, I believe we're having the pre-conference on evangelism. And then the 20th through the 23rd, is that correct?
22nd, but it's closing up.
22nd through the 22nd. Well, 23rd, we'll still be having the after party. We'll still be out there evangelizing.
Oh, yeah, dude.
And we'll have to do the Lord's Day too, won't we, Jeff, on the 23rd?
Yeah, Lord's Day.
We'll have the Lord's Day at my church.
Yeah, it's going to be a good time. If you guys have not been to an open-air theology conference, make this one your first one. I mean, the fellowship is unbelievable. Nobody's hiding behind the walls.
None of the speakers are in a different room where you can't touch them and talk to them and take a picture with them. We're all out there fellowshipping with each other, singing with each other, you know, and worshiping God together.
So it's going to be a lot of fun. So it's going to be in Tullahoma, Tennessee. Tullahoma, Tullahoma, Tullahoma, Tennessee.
And then your church building is going to be, it's going to... Jeff, give us an update. I don't think everybody on the internet has heard the update.
Tullahoma, yeah.
What's the update on the church building, Jeff?
You guys got to start saying it right, man.
How do you say it? We can't ask Jeff how to say it.
He doesn't know how to say it.
Tullahoma.
Okay, Jeff doesn't know how to say it.
There you go, Brayden.
Quit talking like your brother.
No, it's a U in there.
It's Tullahoma.
It's not Tullahoma.
Jeff just said Tullahoma. Tell a homie.
You went silent.
Tell a homie.
Tell a homie about the Open Air Theology Conference.
You have a...
Let's see here. What is this? Yeah, question for Pastor Brayden. Are you still making Tobacco Pipes Brother?
I am planning on it during this whole move and getting called to be the pastor at Grace Bible Church. I haven't been able to dedicate time for that. I plan on picking that back up as soon as we're in a house, so it'll take another six months before that takes place.
I do have a few.
So, if that's something that's interesting to you, send me a text message, or not a text message, a message on Facebook, and I'll send you a picture of the stock that I have right now, and if there's one that piques your interest, I can get that to you.
And then also, if not, it'll probably be six months before I'm able to start making pipes again. Seven months, somewhere in that ballpark.
I'm curious. Dakota, Clark, where do you go to church in Bernie?
We gotta wait now.
Georgia.
It's gonna be at Covenant Reform Baptist Church in Tullahoma, Tennessee. Do you have an address, Jeff?
1605 East Lincoln.
1605 East Lincoln. Put it up there, Brayden.
I can't.
Oh, my gosh.
Weird.
I told you this before. I can't do that right now, because I'm on my iPad.
Hey, is Orthodox MacArthur on?
Yeah, he's on.
Listen.
Orthodox MacArthur, why are you going to bring me double-A batteries whenever you see me next?
I don't even want to know.
He sent me a text saying he was going to send me some, or he was going to give me double-A batteries the next time he saw me.
He said no.
Hey, did Jeff tell you guys that he pulled me into a bar fight earlier?
Yeah, you pulled me into one.
Oh, no. Tell us, Red.
What happened?
His wife come out and told me that Red was beating somebody up, so I had to go out there and help him.
Dang.
I can tell you this. If something like that were to go down, Jeff's got my back.
Heck, yeah.
No, we had some type of scuffle that happened down the way from us. A guy got knocked out, and we went down there to try to see what was going on, make sure he was all right. Ended up having to call the police.
But before I ran down there, I yelled into the church building, Jeff, and he come out and ran down there with me. And it was crazy. We've had an eventful Lord's Day for sure.
Dude pulls out. Another guy comes out. I was like, dude deserves it. And dude starts cussing him out. He's knocked out, back of his head busted, his face busted.
Oh, wow.
He jumps up, trying to fight the guy that said he deserves it, pulls out a freaking razor blade, trying to cut him. But everything that was on video, it turned out he did deserve it. He started banging on this guy's car, and the guy got out and freaking licked him, son.
Knocked him out.
Well, hey, so Dakota, I know that church. I know that's Dick Jones' church, and I know that we've been praying for him. Dick Jones is Dakota's pastor, and he has cancer. He's actually the pastor that Ryan Dittin is filling in for several times.
It's why Ryan didn't have to pull out of the conference, because he's going to be filling in for Dick on that. So we are praying for him. You have a great church over there, just so you know. Good brothers over there.
Very evangelistic team. So it's a good group of brothers. So glad you've made it on. Make them a pipe, Braden.
I got you. Got you, Dakota.
Just hit me up.
So today's episode.
So last, if you guys were here, what was it? A couple weeks ago?
Two weeks ago with Andrew.
Yeah, that's right. Andrew Rappaport was on last time. And we were going to do stuff like ask AI what these questions were. They'd come up, and we would have to answer them whether to agree or disagree.
So you guys want to do that now, or do you want to talk about something else?
I'm in.
Let's do it.
I'm just in it for the ride, man.
Go for it.
All right.
So the first question is this, and I'm going to read it here. Okay, so AI made these questions. Agree or disagree. Would Jesus use social media if he were living on the earth today? I didn't make up these questions.
So is this speaking of, like, his incarnation? Like, if this was his first coming?
No, I think he's basically saying that if he was living on the earth right now, today.
I think that question is more clarification. Because I think to say yes, it goes against the gospel. To say yes, it goes against the gospel and the fact that he had to come at a time where crucifixion was perfected.
Absolutely.
In order to be made a curse of God, he had to be hung on a tree.
Yeah, the question is, if there was Internet and social media when he came the first time, would he be on it and use it? Would he be on Facebook, in other words?
I think that's the question.
Sure.
What do you think, Jerrod?
I think he's using it right now with you knuckleheads. Yeah, for sure, man. Like, saying that he's the creator of all things, I mean, in a sense, he is using it right now. But I think that he would use it if it were implemented during that time.
I mean, the message was amplified from Jerusalem anyway. So, I mean, social media back then would have just exploded the gospel.
Yeah, that would have been a lot easier to be his witnesses in Acts 1 -8, right? I mean, you wouldn't even have to leave the house. You just get online and start sharing the gospel with people. No, I don't know.
That's a hard question.
I would say I don't think Jesus would. I think his apostles would. I think the disciples would, but I don't think Jesus would be messing around with that personally.
You can't see him scrolling?
No, I can't see him. I would agree with Georgia.
If he was on it, he definitely wouldn't be obsessed about it. But, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's what I would think.
All right, so, okay, kind of a messed up question. So, again, I did not make these up. These are all artificial and totally generated. So, the other question, next question is, the King James Bible version is the only accurate English Bible translation.
Agree or disagree? Everybody's on board with that. It's not the only accurate. There are many other accurate translations.
I don't think it's a good accurate translation. I don't think it's accurate for our day because we don't understand. And there's so many words in there that don't mean what it meant.
Right. So, yeah, there are many words. But you would say that if a person had a seventh grade reading education, that they would be able to read that and the Bible would be God honoring and be able to make a person wise to salvation, right?
For sure. However, I think there's just words in there. I don't think it has to do with theology and doctrine or whatever. Well, some of it might. But I just think there's better translations.
Right. Yeah, I agree. I would agree with that, too.
Matter of fact, I'm walking around here with that big old gray cell phone, right?
Yeah. How about. So, what is everybody's favorite translation?
ESV. I'm using ESV right now.
What I just what I just got was ESV.
But I like the LSB as well. I like the LSB as well, too.
Which one's your favorite, Tom? I'm going to go with LSB.
And the NASB. I got me an 07.
I'd have to agree with Jeff on the way that the ESV flows.
The ESV is made for reading and reading in public.
It's not made for memorizing, though. It's bull crap. Actually, you could. Actually it's been proven that you can memorize the King James version easier than you can.
The ESV. No, that's garbage because of that. I can't even read the King James. How am I going to memorize it?
I mean, when when I mean, there are some because, you know, you grow up with it.
Listen, here's what I want people to do. I want you to grab a King James Bible. Yeah. And I want you to turn it to First Corinthians chapter five. And I want you to read First Corinthians chapter five and tell me what it's talking about.
Because every time I get a wild hair at my butt and thinking I'm going to read the King James Bible, I'll go to First Corinthians chapter five. And I have no idea what I just read. Zero. So that's not a heart.
It's a zero.
If it is reported, Jeff, you said he loves the King James.
So so back in back in twenty eighteen, whenever I whenever I picked up. No, I actually it was I think in twenty twenty. My sons both came home with the ESB Bible from school. They did an after school program and my understanding of what I was reading exploded.
And yeah. Yeah.
So I mean, when I read, for example, OK, so the King James version, this is what I this is what I started in for my grace. You're saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is a gift of God, not of works.
Lest any man should boast.
Tell Debbie to read First Corinthians chapter five.
She can do it. So tell me what it says.
I want you to articulate it. That's because she's smarter than Tom.
That's that's that's there's no doubt about that. But listen to the same one for my grace. You have been saved through faith and this is not of your own doing. So it didn't flow as well as the King James for my grace.
You're safe through faith and that not of yourselves. It is a gift of God. Lest any man should boast in King James versus the ESB for by grace. You have been saved through faith and this is not of your own doing.
It is the gift of God, not a result of works. That's how I got it. It is easier to memorize in my when I read that it it's easier for me to to memorize the King James.
We'll switch to the King James.
No, I'm I like the I like the church.
It's because you're as archaic as the King James.
Exactly. I got a great beard.
You were there when they were writing it, dude.
The Apostle Paul was right there. Right. No, I'm just joking.
You know, you were the plow boy that when William Findel was talking about.
That's right. That's right. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. But if I was to choose one, if I had one to go with, I would either go with NASB or LSB number for my from. For my number one, I'd go LSB.
I remember a day where we were all like, yeah, we're all going to get ESB and have them together. And then I have later you stopped. We're going to use it like that was going to be what we're like. We're all going to worship God in the same Bible translation.
I remember like taking a I thought we did like a blood oath or something like that. Then that just went away real quick.
Well, actually, because because matter of fact, we were talking about a passage. I can't remember what it was. I think it was in Corinthian. And we were we were talking about it. And and we actually agreed that the ESB had it right.
And the LSB.
So there are places in Rome.
Romans 11 has a great translation with ESB. Absolutely phenomenal.
Yes. Yeah.
First Corinthians chapter seven talks about the marriage of the virgin.
So God honoring translations, right?
OK.
Next one, Tom.
Get the get the.
Agree or disagree. Using curse words in certain situations is not always sinful. Agree or disagree.
Agree. And I don't cuss.
So, like, let's say if you were to say the word shit. Simple or not simple. Depends on.
I counted all this Google.
Huh? Google. Yeah.
Depends on the context.
So if you I guess if you were to say it in a sinful manner. Like on.
Well, it's just like the word hell.
Right. Yeah.
I can tell someone, listen, if you die without Christ, you're going to go to hell.
Right.
Or I could say, well, to hell with it.
Or one of the same word.
One of them, I would say, is derogatory and it's cussing.
The other one, I would say at this time. So it really depends on the context because the word itself, like there's really, you know, like we invent cuss words.
Because we give a word, we come up with a word and give it a meaning.
Right. There we go, Troy.
Who put that up there? There we go.
Let no vain communication proceed from your mouth.
So there is there are some some areas. So context would be key, right?
Context is key. Again, just using the word hell.
Yeah. Yeah.
Telling someone that if you die without Christ, you're going to go to hell. But then if you were to use it in a different different way, it would be considered cussing.
OK, here's a good question right here. I actually like this question as far as as far as thought provoking. Now, to be specific to the question, it says agree or disagree. Believing in six day in a six day literal creation is essential.
To being a faithful Christian, to being a faithful Christian.
No.
And I'm a six day creationist.
It's essential to be. So it's not asking if it's an essential of Christianity. It's asking if it's an. Give me a second.
Oh, sorry, kiddo.
Sorry.
It it's not. If it's asking if it's essential to be a Christian, I would answer it differently than being a faithful Christian, because I think six day creationism is the correct faithful interpretation.
And the way I'm understanding that question, I would say, yes, it is important for a faithful to be a faithful Christian, to be that. And so it just depends on how you're understanding what faithful Christian means.
Is it someone who is living their life looking to Jesus Christ by faith?
Which I mean, I guess another way to expand on that is it also getting at faithful. Christian would be, I think, somebody that's faithfully treating the word of God correctly.
So that's not what I would say.
Yes. I guess it's just asking. I guess it just comes down to how is the what?
The questions are generic and it's really hard because. Yeah, there are three core doctrines that I would say that someone has to believe in order to be a Christian is the doctrine of God, the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of justification by faith alone.
So if if if that's what it was asking to be a Christian, would it be essential? I would agree with, you know. No, I wouldn't agree with you.
But but but if you're going to be handling a text.
I would say that you should be a six day creationist.
However, I wouldn't throw someone out of the kingdom that wasn't.
For sure.
I agree with you on that.
I agree with that, too. OK, here's another good one. Agree or disagree. Drinking coffee during Sunday worship service is disrespectful.
Disagree.
We're talking about in the house of God. We all hold to the regular principle of worship. We're in the sanctuary, the house of prayer, where the preaching of the word is going forth through the pulpit.
And Sally Jo enters the congregation and with a. Was a cup of coffee and is sipping on her latte all through the sermon. Is it disrespectful?
No. No. Red.
You thought, Sam?
I've drank coffee while Pastor Jeff is preaching. Parts of discipline.
That wasn't the question, though.
I don't know. I don't I don't believe so.
I mean, listen, we can't be legalistic. We want to be biblical, not legalistic.
That is definitely tap dancing with pietism.
But since you since you skipped over me on the on the Genesis, on the six day creation.
You got to speak up.
This practice. OK.
What I what I was going to say is that I think that is as foundational as Genesis three fifteen. It determines how you read the rest of the Bible. But I would say I would stick with Jeff on saying that I wouldn't kick a person out of the kingdom because.
Yeah, because the Presbyterians have a different view on Genesis three fifteen than we have. And we we definitely consider them brothers. I mean, like it's essential to our interpretation, the way that we interpret Genesis three fifteen and the way that they do, because they believe that the covenant was inaugurated at that point.
We would say, oh, heck no.
And it changes our interpretation of it. We think that they're not being faithful with that text. However, we do not say that they're not brothers. We dare not say.
I agree. And I don't think again, I don't think that the questioner is asking whether or not a person is a brother. He was asking, is it inappropriate?
To bring a coffee and I'm talking about the Genesis. Three fifteen.
Oh, OK. I still have a question.
Well, he brought back up Genesis three fifteen.
OK, I got you.
Yeah, but like concerning the coffee, like if you're dealing with the regulative principles of worship.
Tom doesn't have his hearing aid.
So if it's not disrespectful to bring in a cup of coffee and drink your coffee. What about. A sandwich.
I think you could do. You could take anything into a church and make it disrespectful, right? If if there's a person who is falling asleep and snoring in church, that's disrespectful. Not right. There's.
If you're going back out, there's so many examples of being able to make something disrespectful. Right. So I think sipping on a cup of coffee, I don't think there's that disrespectful. If somebody has diabetes and needs to have a bite of sandwich every while, have a little bit of peanut butter.
Yeah, I don't see an issue with it. And if you are interrupting worship from somebody else, like that's disrespectful, right?
If you're interrupting the prayer, that's disrespectful and stuff like that.
If you're drawing attention to yourself.
Yeah, I think.
I think I copied on this. Yeah. All right. That's one thing. And also like so. So we have family integrated worship. And one of the ways that you train your kids is kind of have a little bag of snacks sometimes.
Right. All right. So, you know, is that sinful?
And I said, absolutely not. And to say it is is legalism.
Yeah, I would agree.
But like like I read like I read today. Romans 11.
For my brand new Jeffrey Rice rebound ESV increasing confessions. And I wouldn't take a sandwich into the pulpit while I was reading or a cup of coffee.
So, yeah, I take a bottle of water.
Bottle of water. Yeah.
I mean, I mean, if someone wanted coffee in the pulpit, I don't see a problem with it.
I mean, somebody takes a sandwich and preach, but you can drink something and preach.
You know, an energy drink like a monster up in the pulpit with that.
Well, it's got the six six six on it.
I have I have drinking an energy drink behind the pulpit. I mean, I've taken it up with me and I wouldn't drink it. I just I can't. I have a hard time pausing in the middle of a sermon to drink. Take a drink of anything.
Well, that's because you don't know how to do it. I can show you how to do it.
Oh, so I remember.
You tell people you say turn turn in your Bibles to like you draw their attention to turn to a different text.
And that's when you take yourself at the last conference. And I'm not going to mention his name. But at the last conference, there was somebody who had a plastic water bottle who was preaching. And every time he grabbed that drink, you heard the plastic just a crackling.
No, it wasn't you.
Was it me?
I know who it was.
It was me.
Sam Waldron.
Stop it. Get out of here. He is my hero.
That didn't happen.
He's lying. He's lying.
That was so bad. I mean, he and, you know, he's got to, you know, he's he's he's getting old and he needs to breathe. He's older than me and he's he's trying to breathe and he's getting thirsty in there.
You know, I just listened to that sermon like a week ago and I didn't even notice it.
I didn't notice it either. You need to check your heart, Tom.
You need to check your heart and listen to the word next time.
Oh, here's a good one. Yeah, that's a good question right there.
Orthodox MacArthur.
Hey, that's that's what happens, though. When you get old, you start to get nitpicky about things, right?
OK, so being 150 really makes you a nitpicker, huh, Tom?
You better believe it.
Hey, this is a good question.
What about an iPad instead of a physical Bible? I personally don't. I prefer I'm going to say I would prefer a Bible, but I'm not going to have an issue if somebody wants to preach from an iPad instead of a Bible.
I mean, I say why not use both?
I agree.
I mean, I preach from a physical copy of the Bible and I also have a leather bound notebook that I have my notes in because I can't find a good iPad type software for preaching.
Yeah, I think so.
I do like and of course, I don't spend as much time as you guys do anything.
I do.
I do like the presenter mode on iPad when preaching. If you're going to preach from a manuscript, but not not everybody likes that.
So, yeah, that's a good question.
What about what about this when you're street preaching? Phone, is it OK to use a phone or should you use a physical Bible?
I'll tell you what I do. So I have a physical Bible. This is my street preaching Bible. And inside my Bible, I have little cards. This card right here has Romans five verse one. And then underneath it, I'll have some some main points.
I got justified, which means made right with God by faith. And so when I'm preaching, I'll have I'll have it like that. And so I'll be but I'll have the Bible in my hand so people can see a physical copy of the Bible.
And if someone stops, I already have a Bible in my hand where I can talk to them. But instead of opening it up and being all windy and stuff, I have the scripture that I'm going to preach right there.
And I have several five, six, seven, eight cards with different verses on it. I like things.
So my wife's chiming in. I'm going to let her chime in. So so here. Now, regarding this, when I'm at church, every once in a while, my pastor sits to my left. And I and I bring in my LaCroix's when I when I drink.
And one time it went when I when I opened the drink.
And that's great.
And he turned and looked at me. I was I was like, it's water.
It's water. It's water.
I swear.
Beer.
Did Debbie almost give you the one to she?
She might have.
She may or may not have the two piece. No biscuit. So so I've got big red. But whenever I'm out in the streets, I take little red with me.
So I like a physical copy.
Now, is that is that just a New Testament or?
Yes, the LSB.
I like that.
Jeff gave me this long ago because I gave my preaching Bible away to my cousin.
Yeah. So so it's so this is the same Bible. This is I sometimes use it straight preaching. Again, with this one, it bodes up so you can just go right to it or whatever.
And it's big enough to and it's verse by verse, isn't it?
Yes. Verse by verse. And it's really good read. This is something that I recommend if you're going to do door knocking. Have you one of these? Because after walking a long time, holding a physical copy of the Bible, it's really tough.
And so I just keep this right here in my backpack. All right.
I can put this in the back of my pocket.
Yeah. Backpack.
So that I have the same thing. I use that one, too, except when it's like rainy or windy outside and the pages are flipping. Those are small enough. Like you said, you could just flip it over, use them and.
But sometimes like I've been in incidents where I've had someone to stop and ask the question. And the scripture that I wanted to take them to was not in a New Testament with Psalms and Proverbs. Isaiah answers a lot of things.
And so ever since then, I've been trying to carry that the physical copy, the bigger copy. But sometimes I'll if I preach out of this one, sometimes I'll have a Bible just sitting a full copy of the Bible sitting near me.
And if a car stops, I'll make sure. Yes, right. I'll make sure to have to grab that copy of the scriptures in my hand.
Like I'll be passing out passing out tracks, running in and out of traffic. Jeff thinks I'm going to get hit.
Yes.
If I'm if I'm talking to a vehicle that's pulled up with people in it, I'll I'll whip out my phone and turn, you know, go to the LSB app on my phone and and share scripture with them from there.
Yeah, I'll use that as well.
The LSB from the phone or whatever. So what about this one? Kind of this is not a this is Tom Shepard generated question. When street preaching, if if you know you're within your legal rights on the street, you're obeying the sound sound ordinance.
Police officer comes up to you, says he's going to arrest you. If you do not stop preaching the gospel, he's warned you you're going to go to jail.
Go to jail.
What would you do?
Again, again, I'm breaking law. I think it just depends on the context. So in the context that you just gave, I would say I wouldn't stop. But there would there could be a situation that I would stop.
Right. Like like let's say, you know, like a funeral was coming down the road, you know, like there's certain situations that I would stop and be respectful. And I don't try to make myself. I know the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing and people who are perishing are going to hate it.
But I don't try to put more. I don't try to give them more of a reason to hate it by me being a hoe.
And so, yeah.
And so kind of like the old Michael Schultz, don't be a jerk type of thing.
Yeah. Yeah. And so it just depends on the context. If that costs being a jerk.
He's going to have to arrest me.
But I don't mind having a jail ministry.
Yeah, sure.
Troy Dickerson says church crier or praise worship team at church.
Neither.
Congregational singing.
Boom. Brandon.
Congregational.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah. Through and through. You want something that's kind of cool at the church that I'm at now. They really have a heavy emphasis on turning down the music, even the instrument music so that you can really hear the church sing with their voice.
So I appreciate that.
You know, I listened to a lot of, you know, we play a lot of sovereign grace music. I don't know if you guys use the sovereign grace music or the grace hymnal from grace community at your guys' church.
We don't. We use hymns of grace.
Hymns of grace. That's what I meant.
Yeah. And we also, you know, if we do a song that's not in that hymnal and we'll just have it on the TV.
Screen.
But we also sing songs every week.
So. Yeah.
I always like it when we were singing like a, like the hymns of grace and usually that last stanza, they shut off the organ or the piano or whatever. All you hear is acapella voices.
It's just something about, you know, men and women singing.
Oh, you ought to hear us when we're doing a sea stancing. Everybody's sleeping.
I bet that's awesome.
It's so good.
Sing to the Lord. He said to.
Oh God.
For smack in the full pits and just think about how it's going to sound in the new building. Going back to the,.
Going back to the the ordinate like the the cop going out. You want to arrest you for the noise. Is that dude the Bose speakers that Jeff has? They've never even said anything to us about them, but they blazed through the community man.
And we got two bows $1 ,500 set speakers. Those are a Christian. Those are yeah, those are busters.
Yeah, we've had people back behind in a in the in a community behind Zaxby's on the other side of the road. Back behind this restaurant. They say they can hear us all the way back in the neighborhood.
Wow.
So here you guys go who's gonna jump on that one? What do you say to Christians who say street preaching is not effective?
Anyone come hang out with me.
That's exactly. Come come come out and and and witness what the Lord is doing through Covenant Reform Baptist Church.
He's growing our church the straight preaching. Yeah, absolutely.
And and you know the tagline on mine on my thing is even if none, which is a book by Ryan didn't reclaiming biblical evangelism and Number one we know that God's Word is gonna go forth and it's gonna accomplish exactly what he would he purposed it to accomplish.
But also here's the thing. I think we need to think about is is God did not give us the ministry. He gave Isaiah. Yeah, he didn't tell us that people weren't gonna hear. He told us he told the disciples the Christians to go out and make Disciples of all nations, right?
I'll tell you what's not effective not doing anything. That's right.
Yeah, and his sheep will hear his voice. God works through means. We all believe that that he's chose who he's going to redeem before the foundation of the world. He works through means and that the very means of of a person coming to Christ is through hearing.
Through greeting. How can they hear without a preacher, right? So that that is that is the method in which God has chosen to use to bring his people to to himself. Right. So and yeah, Georgia said whether it is or not it glorifies God.
That's right. So because God is glorified in the proclamation of the gospel whether people come or not, right? He's in leaving.
If you ask red I go out there with the expectation that God's gonna do something right like I do. We have the power of God of salvation on our lips. I think a lot of the reason why a lot of people don't see any fruit from street preaching is that they're going to places.
I mean, there's this the same thing that we talked about a few weeks back. They're they're going to preach at places where a whole bunch of people have traveled to gather together. Even if you're you're preaching does affect someone you're not going to see any fruit from it because they're going back to some other Place, you know and going to some other church.
Me and red we focus our evangelism. Near our church building where we have gatherings. And that's why we're able to see the fruit that we're seeing. We're not traveling downtown Nashville preaching to thousands of people.
Trust me we could. Absolutely good. We're preaching to you know, bear, you know, just a very few people. Yeah, and we're being faithful and doing so and God is saving people and growing our church through it.
And you're you're able and God has been gracious though that you see it because of you're doing it in your area.
Yeah, for sure and we expect God to say.
Sure, Jeff has modeled our our evangelism efforts after what Jesus and the Apostles did I'm talking about during Jesus's ministry. He preached local he preached in Jerusalem and in the surrounding areas around Jerusalem and.
Yeah, it went forth after.
Fourth was as they did enter a nation plant a church Evangelize fill the church so on and they would just keep multiplying that right there, right? The Apostles didn't go somewhere. And preach 20 miles away from their church.
One day talk to people and then leave go back and never see those people again, that's not how it worked. And to think that's how it is. It's foolishness.
Well, of course not. One of the reasons why they didn't is because they're on foot and.
Horseback, I don't think they would if they had cars. Planet a church in a community and pretty.
I mean you're you're you're totally Dismantling my ministry when we go 20 miles away to Fredericksburg to go share the gospel when we can do it here, too but we're gonna go where the people are. I.
But if you're done it for the purpose of Growing a church and send fruit. Yeah, like This is how and I've been shouting from the rooftops for years. Yeah, I got people. I got people in my own town. They travel around the world and do evangelism.
Yeah, and they asking people to pay. And I'm like we live in an area. That means evangelists out on the front on the you know right here where we are.
35 miles from where I live to church. Yeah, we evangelize. I do that as well, but I also preach here, too.
Yeah, and I think it's important too. I think the Jeff's point. To one that we're not just.
Called to go out and proclaim in the highways and byways that yes, we're called to make disciples followers. Oh.
Yeah, but also to. To point them in the right direction to teach them to be followers of Christ.
How you can't listen. You cannot follow Christ outside the local church. Oh great. Yeah, absolutely.
People need to hear the message too, right?
Okay now what yeah.
Right like so my wife and I. It's been almost seven years now. We went on a baby moon vacation. Well, it's actually been home. It's almost six years now, excuse me, baby moon while Emily was pregnant with our first kiddo.
To Hawaii. And why I was in Hawaii. Guess what I did. Evangelism. Yeah, I would say those and so like I mean, that's hundreds of miles away from where I live in, Idaho.
Race, you know traveling or doing something. However, that's not the bulk of my ministry. The book is Tallahumma, Tennessee. Agree.
I travel 3 ,000 miles every week for my job and in the states where I go. I evangelize.
Right and preach the gospel.
Praise God for that because I think there's a lot of people in the local church in the local church and you guys would all agree with this. Maybe 5 are doing the evangelism that are.
You giving them too much credit bro, yeah.
Yeah And.
You know, there's yeah, I mean there are there are people too with specific gifts. But the evangelism is something that I've had to work it. It's not a good I've had to work at apologetics. I've had to work it Learning other religions and what they believe and so I don't misrepresent them and I've had to learn the gospel.
I got to preach the gospel to myself every day and Be motivated to go and to talk to strangers that I don't know.
That you are better as we go on. As we as we go out weekly as we go out you actually get better.
No, yeah.
I mean Jeff you've said it yourself that when you go out and you share the gospel these days I mean you can do it in your sleep. You could just boom. It's natural now. You know just because of the amount of time that you've gone out and did evangelism.
Yeah, I mean like, you know. The the repeatable process that I use for preaching. Mm-hmm. Like I've been using this same repeatable process for four and a half years.
Right, I.
I'm telling like I can write a sermon in my sleep like When I'd go out street preaching or whatever. I kind of use that same act like I just look at a text and in my mind.
I.
Determine a text. I Find my theme a proposition. I create an interrogative. I Download within my head at an outline with a transitional statement. Like real quick I can just look at the text and all that stuff just.
Are you saying you're getting downloads from the Holy Spirit? No, it's just the information that I have from that repeatable process.
I don't got you an AI robot. You know, that was one of the questions you come up. Did you come up with this these questions Jeff?
But I do live. I live by a Philosophy in martial arts where I don't fear the person that knows a thousand different moves. Fear the person that knows one move and has done it a thousand times. There you go.
Yeah. Something that I do week after week day after day like this repeatable process. Determine a text. Find the text. Find a theme proposition given an interrogative statement. Create an outline and give a transitional statement and then you explain that.
Explain that.
For the for the for the Christian that's an infant, right. That that is newly born that has the gospel has the power of God for salvation to all who believe. They they too can they don't have to know all they know all they need to know is The mirror of the law and the gospel.
Yes, and they had and they have what it takes to be of an effective evangelist.
That's you know, that's a really good point. We have several people that go out with us in evangelism and. And there are people like you said matter of fact, there's there's children that come out with us.
There's a there's a Wendy's. Wendy's son named Noah. He's I think he's 11 years old or so 12 but he's a young lad and he's he's. God has put somebody in front of him and That young man is sharing what he knows to the best of his ability.
Christ in him crucified to this to this person and It would be wrong of me to think I know the gospel better. That I'm gonna go over there and just bump him out of the way and start communicating. Because God has ordained it for that young man to meet that person to share the gospel of God.
It's the power of God as a salvation. And so God chooses the instrument that he's going to use to the best of their ability and God will do that work through that instrument 100 I believe that. Ready for another question.
Here we go. Agree or disagree. Playing violent video games or watching violent movies is Acceptable as long as it doesn't lead to sinful behavior.
Agree.
So let's say it again playing violent playing violent video games or watching violent movies is Acceptable as long as it does not lead to sinful behavior. The question is is that sinful behavior?
Well the question I think that you know, the question is very subjective because what's you know? We can have different I mean even us four can have different opinion on what's considered violence, right?
Yeah, somebody could say UFC game and somebody could say What a Mortal Kombat or whatever?
Yeah, cuz I mean like personally myself I grew up in the fight world. Boxing martial arts stuff like that to me to me. This is a sport. Right, right and so I don't see UFC or anything like that as as Violent because they're not out there and anger or hurting people.
I mean, this is stuff that I you know, I've trained in and you know I used to say you don't know nobody you don't know somebody to get kicked in the mouth. Well, I. You know, I mean I've had so many, you know I go into a gym and fight with some people that I didn't know and afterwards.
We're hanging out eating a sandwich. No, and it's just like.
Right, and then some people even saying what are you doing wasting time playing a video game in the first place?
I personally don't you know, I mean If we play video games, it's as a family and it's Mario Karts and let me tell you something. Freaking bananas. They'd be throwing is violent.
The poor turtle.
Yeah, that's violent as violent can get. Right there guys I think a lot of this comes down to the Liberty of Conscience. Yeah, if you are having an issue like truly I think There was a statistic I was hearing actually Joe Rogan talk about this that the best surgeons Are actually active video game players.
The.
Just with so there's a case to be made that playing video games has helped them to be better at their job with fine muscle tune twitch skills, right and so right. Shepard agrees. Yeah, and so. You know.
Yes, yeah, right. If somebody is having if somebody has maybe anger tendencies or has Whatever the sinful behavior isn't it video games? Lead into that then probably avoid it. I think it's it's one of those things that it's just a base by bait case.
I mean, I think some people shouldn't watch football because they get all yeah. Start beating things or whatever. Yeah, like I like I can watch the fights.
However, but for the most part I'm just realized but I definitely.
Agree or disagree celebrating Halloween is a matter of Christian Liberty and not inherently simple. I agree. I agree. I.
Think people can be too way too legalistic man. Take a freakin chill pill. This is not a Xanax. Okay, don't be taking Xanny's. Hey, I'm trying to pick a fight, right.
Let's see here. Okay, agree or disagree. I think you guys know I don't know the gear. Agree or disagree. All church members should be required to sign a statement of faith before joining the congregation.
For church membership. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. That's an agree. Yeah.
To sign. To sign a statement of faith basically saying that you agree.
Nor do I have an issue if it isn't. I don't think yeah. Like to sign something. I don't have an issue with it, or I don't have an issue if a church doesn't have that.
So I was gonna say in the spirit of what I think that questions getting at does somebody have to agree with and Be able to say I would put my name to that essentially saying I I say amen to whatever this statement of faith is.
I think that's that's very important for church membership. If your church just says Oh, yeah, you can be a member you can vote here tomorrow and you don't really have to agree with our doctrine. Like that's that's not church membership.
Right, right every every month at the beginning of the month. We we have a corporate. You could call it a statement.
Confession.
So and we do that we do that at the beginning of the month every month. With with the entire congregation reads it together and we all in area.
Now in order to be a member of our church. So so right now you you do not have to fully subscribe to the 1689. Okay, the leaders have to fully subscribe to the 1689. However, you do have to agree that you're not going to buck the system and you're going to adhere to the teaching of.
The 1689.
Okay, so given that Clint Sloan Said how can you wreck it? How do you reconcile? Here we go, Jeff. How do you reconcile collages 216 which says? Therefore no one is to judge you and food or drink or respect a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.
How do you reconcile that with the 1689?
London Baptist Confession stance on the Sabbath. Well first they're talking about two different things. Yes.
We need to make sure that our that our Whatever it is that we're calling out the same thing, right? So Sabbath days. You know how many Sabbath days they are right? You had Sabbath years. You had all these different things.
And so and so we would so I think me and Brayden would be in the same position here on what we see as the Lord's Day Sabbath. Right. And so the Old Testament that the Sabbath was on on on the On the seventh day, so Sabbath actually means seven and However, it was when God rested.
God rested and so he established this Sabbath day. And on it the Sabbath day the the Old Testament Sabbath day. Yeah, you could not work nor could you carry a load? There's nothing said in the Oh Covenant Scriptures that you worship God on that Sabbath day that came about during the intertestamental period you do not find that in the Oh Covenant Scriptures.
Worship on the Lord's Day is established in the New Covenant. We see that They that they would gather together on the Lord's Day and we would say that it has to do. So this the the sad the the Oh Covenant Sabbath finds its fulfillment in Christ.
Christ is our Oh Covenant Sabbath rest. We rest from our works are Trying to get keep the law to live went by trusting in Christ when Christ was crucified. He said it is finished. However, it wasn't fully finished until he rose from the grave in Acts chapter 2.
It tells us that when he came out from the grave that he sat on the throne of David his resurrection is speaking about his rest his complete rest from his work his finished work and his death burial and resurrection and so we worship so so our seventh-day mandate is Our Sabbath mandate is on the first day when Christ came about the ground which represents his rest Oh Covenant the sixth the seventh day.
God rested after creating things a New Covenant after the death burial resurrection Christ. Resurrection represents Christ sitting on the throne of David which symbolizes his rest and his rest is focused not on Us lay back and not doing anything.
It's focused on our worship to him because that's what you see took place throughout scriptures.
Anybody want to add to that?
But that's just dealing with the Sabbath day. That's not what Colossians is talking about, right? It's not yeah.
There are many moons and everything festivals and all. Yeah, so it's a misinterpretation of Colossians 2 16.
One.
On the on the day that Jesus gave the Great Commission to the Apostles in Matthew 28. They worshipped him and we also see after heavy persecution on the Sabbath. The Christians established Worship on Sundays, right?
I agree with. I agree with Jeff. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Right. So we would also say in the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith that that there is one day and seven set apart. Set apart. And people would say well you're talking about the law of Moses. But if you look in Exodus 16 before Law was written on stone written on tablet.
There was a Sabbath. So the Sabbath day that one day set apart in God actually transcends.
Decalogue and.
So it's a creation ordinance. Nothing transcends the decalogue. The decalogue is transcended. The moral law of God transcends. That's what I'm saying. It.
Transcended the the the the Ten Commandments the transcendent the moral law been written on stuff. That's what I said.
Yeah. But but but those words were all is transcended. It was before in the beginning God created and it will be after whenever we're.
Again.
Transcends the decalogue. It was before the decalogue and Because it was before the decalogue since it was transcendent. It always was. It's the eternal thing. It was the creation ordinance and there's something greater than the creation that happened on On that seventh day.
There's something that happened even greater and that was the resurrection of Christ. Which is why we point to?
Just what Jeff said early, but how do you fulfill the Sabbath in the New Testament. And I would argue that it's by. That it's by believing in by believing in Jesus Christ. Yes. You love God. So the first four commandments point to our love toward God when it's fulfilled by believing in the name of the Son Jesus Christ.
Yeah, first John chapter 3 beginning in verse 23.
Right for having faith and believing him. Brain you got anything else extra. I.
Think it's just helpful to remember that that Sabbath means rest and rest doesn't mean that you're sitting on your lazy bar boy in your.
House.
Even Christ so God rested on the seventh day. And When Jesus is accused of breaking the Sabbath, he says my father has been working even until now so. So even in God's resting he was still working. You see I'm saying he wasn't kicking back letting things take place.
He was still sustaining all things bringing about the ultimate good so on and so forth. And so NASA.
The creator of all things.
Yeah, right. So when when it comes to the New Covenant, I think specifically I think if the Christian thinks that our Sabbath means that you just sit at home and do nothing. That's not that's not what a Sabbath is.
We we need to be doing Kingdom work. Specifically and specially on that day that is prescribed to us in God's Word, which is not forsaking the assembly which is gathering together and encouraging each other with songs and hymns and prayers and fellowship and and hearing the Word of God preached and all these kind of things that we see in the first century taking place with the New Covenant Church, and that's what a Sabbath is for a new covenant covenant embrace member.
Here's what that makes sense. You mean I can't sit on my lazy boy at home and worship from the couch.
No, there's a man.
Same time.
Sam I saw a post by Jeff earlier today. Yeah, I liked it. This question has to do with that. Agree or disagree. Skipping church for personal Leisure or family time is sometimes justified in today's Busy world.
Agree or disagree. Rate it again. Skipping church for personal leisure or family time is sometimes justified in today's busy world.
Again I don't think you need to be legalistic about it because I do think that there is a place for A place for Traveling a place for Those things. I don't get to take vacations.
However in the hospital, yeah.
Hospital yeah, and so like if I was going on vacation. Personally, like if I traveled somewhere and it was the Lord's Day. Personally, I would find a church to go to because I just don't know what life is like not being at church on the Lord's Day.
But I wouldn't be legalistic about it and and say that someone else has to you know. Like like the Seventh-day Adventist if if you're traveling They're going to tell they're gonna find a church in the area for you to go to and make sure you went there very very legalistic.
But I think the pattern of your life should be a life as a churchman.
I would I would push that I would say I.
Agree with that. It can't be legalistic. I think there's always exceptions in that in some situations I think like truly if somebody's in the hospital and I can think of a time that I and I'm not gonna share it but a time that I missed the Lord's Day and it Was because of a terrible tragedy and I I being the pastor could not be a church.
Like that's that's what sometimes just has to happen as a shepherd. But I think as Christians though if there isn't a Reasonable and I'm not being legalistic. So I don't think that's what I'm going with this if there's not a reasonable thing to Make it so you if you're forsaking the assembly just out of convenience, that's wrong.
That's where I was gonna go with that. If you're forsaking the assembly of God for convenient sakes or for Leisure sakes that's wrong. That's breaking a prescriptive law in God's Word that says do not forsake the gathering.
Well, the forsaken there has a has a hard lean toward not being involved so it's not that sure. It's not that you're going on a cruise. You know, if you go on a cruise and you mess the Lord's Day I wouldn't say that someone is forsaken the kingdom of God.
For sure. Versus versus like I got I got some people right now. I got a family that hasn't shown up in seven weeks or eight weeks nine weeks. Like that's forsaken the assembling of ourselves to gather together.
So you're saying it's more of a pattern. It is the pattern. Yeah.
So if my wife and I go on a Weekend get away with our kids say to like a water park or something like that during the summer. We we've always made sure in the past. We've been married for 10 years. That we make it back on Sundays so that we can go to church.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a good.
That's a good thing. I mean like I said earlier if me and my wife went on it's like say it's a church said Jeff. You know because I really don't get days off. But they said we want to give you. We haven't had a vacation since we got married which was our honeymoon.
And if they say we want to give you a vacation, I would take it. But I would also if it was near the Lord's Day I would find a church in that area. That was the most biblical church that we could find.
Absolutely over there and worship the Lord during that hour or two hours. Absolutely. I agree. I think that's just me. I wouldn't make someone else. They had to do what I would do.
But well, I mean if we're gonna be I Think that it's a Matt. Well Where I was where I would go with it is that. Is God. Number one in your life is he. Well he is in my life. Yeah, of course.
I guess the mother the thing is is that we cannot be is we cannot take Something and be legalistic about it, but that's not If the Bible prescribes it, but if you use the Hebrews pattern because it's forsaking.
Yeah, we didn't go there but but we are called to go. I mean, yeah, but we're calling to gather and to assemble together. It's like that's not saying Hear me out. That's not saying that we have a right to go to the Lord's Day on this Sunday and every other week.
I mean, we're not forsaking that way either. I don't think that way. So it's more than that if if God is number one and prescribed Prescribes us to go worship him daily. Now we're to gather with the Saints daily or you know on the Lord's Day.
I think that it would be more prescriptive. I think it is prescriptive to put God number one.
Honestly think that God would not be pleased with the person that didn't put him number one to go worship him every week. Without a legitimate reason for missing. That's that's me. I don't think I'm being legalistic.
Well, I would argue that in that case you are a little bit. Yeah, okay, okay, so let's just say a married couple let's say, you know, you want to have sex every night with your wife. All right, and your wife doesn't want to have sex one night.
Is she forsaken them. Has she forsaken the marriage bed because she didn't want to do it one night. So, I mean if we were to go for the most part you have a pattern of active Active sex life with your with your with your wife.
Yeah, I would say I would say if it was a if it was a prescriptive thing in the Covenant. May then in some sense. Yes, if that was if that was if that was prescribed and let let instead of saying sex.
Let's just say that in a marriage. It is a part of the Covenant agreement that we're gonna eat spaghetti every single night. If that is the agreement. Then that's the agreement right. Like you see what I'm trying to get out with that.
So if there's something that's prescribed in the New Covenant.
Let's go with the scripture says let's let the Bible have the final word that says unless they come to an agreement for a time. Fasting. Yeah, so in other words if I want to have my sex the sex of my wife my wife is.
Obligated every night.
So you're mr. Interpreting the text, right? Yeah, you're mine. No, no.
It's to forsake.
No, your body's not your own is what the scripture says. I know what and her body's not her own if she doesn't feel good.
Freeman I've forsaken the marriage bed. I don't feel.
Ignore the scriptures. It's not about ignoring the scriptures.
Hey, yeah, hey, we're gonna set up our gun let you guys punch it out. All right, I. Like to see I like to see Jeff knock Tom out.
But we can find that out when I get there.
Something that something that Troy just said. I think that is important and they take note of. There's a difference between requirement in the New Covenant then. So we don't maintain our covenant Membership like in the Old Testament of being a part of the nation of Israel.
We we are in Christ and through grace alone and faith alone in Christ alone. We are made undeservingly partakers of this covenant of grace where there is Prescription of how we should be able to operate inside of it.
But it but you're not giving your membership is not dependent upon that participation and how you act in in that covenant. So if if part of the covenant of grace is that you Submit to submit to leaders submit to leaders in your church.
If you don't submit to a leader doesn't mean that you've lost your membership in the covenant of grace. There's several examples of that. Several several examples of that. But you should submit to your leaders ultimately.
Why. Because you're in a year of covenant of grace member.
So you should submit to leaders if you sign about. If you're a part of a church body that has elders and you want to be a member of that church, you should understand the Requirements of submitting to your leaders.
Oh.
Yeah, so explain that so. Can the church leaders tell you anything that they want to and you have to obey it. No there yeah, I agree with that. So what would be the parameters in which? So if you look at Romans 13 We're called to to submit to the authorities our civil authorities as Long as they're abiding By what they're called to do.
And the same way would be for pastors and elders, right if an elder doesn't have authority to Tell you you can't have to wear a blue shirt on Sunday. Well, he's stepping outside his he's stepping outside his realm of authority, right?
Unless I.
Got a pride flag button-up shirt. Yeah a guy with long hair. Would you let a guy with long hair go to your church? Yeah, all right, well the scripture says that it's shameful for a man to have long hair.
Would you let a woman with short hair go to your church?
The legalist.
It absolutely is a cultural not a cultural thing. Yes, it is all right, well let's set up a debate on it let's do it.
The 1689 black sheep debate culture cultural. We're getting the cake we're getting the cage for the conference.
Hey, I'm down man, I've been in a few I think if so, if you if you name the name of Christ, right and You know that it's sinful not to go to church then that becomes sin for that person that knows that they're sinning.
But I mean on the other hand a person that loves the Lord they're gonna desire to be with the body of Believers and to hear to sit under the preaching of the word and to worship and the same.
We have a couple. We have a couple at our church right now. They're an elderly couple. They've been married like 50 years. They're on a a cruise ship for a week or two. They're taking a cruise together.
There's no way in The world that I would say that this couple is forsaken. The gathering of the assembly together.
I will.
The couples that are spending seven or eight weeks apart from the church knowing that they could be there are forsaken the.
Gathering of the.
No, that's what we were saying.
Let's say.
Somebody felt like they couldn't didn't have to on a vacation.
Never said that.
You said that forsaking was a patterned behavior.
Yeah, yeah I said because someone could go on a vacation. Go on a cruise ship. And I mentioned how someone can do something that I don't get to do and that's going on vacation I said, but however if I was on a vacation.
Yeah, I would. I would try to find a church, but I wouldn't condemn someone who didn't. I'm not condemning anybody either.
But we didn't say that we were condemning either. Yeah. Listen listen, listen seriously in this example. Cruise ship. Is there a church on the cruise ship? I'd go no. If there's not a if there is not a church on the cruise ship, then I that's a that's a fine exception at that point.
They don't have the option of it. Let's say let's say there's a Reformed Baptist Church on the cruise ship. This is the definitely wouldn't be a Reformed Baptist Church.
They might be.
Let's just say there was this is a hypothetical question. If there was and your church member said I'm good I'd rather lay in bed today. That is forsaking the gathering. Yeah, I would say that's wrong.
Yeah, that's what I'm are. That's what Tom and I think are arguing this whole time for yeah.
Just beard is getting pretty long. Is that considered shameful? This ain't long, bro. I got my god.
I've had it down to my belly button. Oh Yeah, Joel Osteen. Cruise ship for sure.
Yeah, if there was a Joel Osteen cruise ship brother, I'll tell you right now. If I'm gonna do anything, it's gonna be on my outside of it preaching.
I was just gonna say open-air preaching on a cruise ship. That's it. We'd be having church.
But again, like again, I got families that haven't been in church in a while and they are forsaken. The gathering of the assembly. Yeah, I mean it. It is what it is. Yeah, but I also got a family that's on vacation and.
They're not right. I'm in my. I would I do too. I agree with Vicky on this. What else would you rather do on Sunday? I agree.
I'm a judge. Yeah, there's no place in the world. I'd rather be than with the Saints, right. And.
Worshipping God opening up the Bible opening up, you know, listening singing together with those things fellowshipping with the Saints, you know all that. Yeah, I just. Something's wrong. I I think I can I think I could I can say That a person that doesn't think like that or either very very immature.
They're definitely not I have a fellowship I don't think I'm being Legalistic and saying something's wrong with your walk if you don't desire to go to church every Lord's.
Well, let's look at some issues that could arise that would keep someone from from forsaken. Yeah, like I mentioned today sin.
Yeah, right. If.
Christian has fallen into sin. They're gonna want to be at church as much as a bank robber wants to hang out with cops. Yeah.
When you're in sin, you don't you don't hang around. Yeah.
And so I would just ask someone who if they're listening to this and they have been forsaken the assembling of themselves together. Is it because you're living in sin?
Guilty.
And you know, you don't want to be around the people of God. Especially those that know you best and would call you out on your crap. You don't want to be in a place where especially if you have biblical preaching where you're always faced with sin righteousness and Judgment from the word.
Yeah, so maturity and see humble clay writes this. He said maturity is Definitely an issue. It's so easy for people to forget when they're kneeling young Christians it it is it is it is.
And they need to be. I would say all four of us men have been there right where we're doing stupid things our young walk. That we would be ashamed of today if we were doing the same things that we were doing back then.
The problem though and like in most cases is Churches don't have true Discipleship, so when you have a new Christian that's coming to the faith There's there's no one there to truly disciple that that new believer, right?
Right. They just think you know That they might go to church on a Sunday Sunday night or a Wednesday and they're sitting there in the congregation and they're Listening to the message, but there's no true authentic coin, you know, there's no fellowship because that's where Discipleship takes place.
It's in the fellowship. It's in the the one another rings, right? The the Word of God being poured over you that is that means of grace that's gonna grow you in holiness.
So yeah, I would also Go ahead. I was just gonna say I would also add to that is that a new believer needs to remember. You know the price that was paid on the cross for their salvation, you know so easy to forget of those things.
What are you meditating on?
What are you filling yourself up with. But what better way to have that than in fellowship, right? Yeah, like when we gather together at the cigar shop. We're not talking about the basketball game, right?
We're talking about Christ. Yeah, we're called. We're doing what the angels did in Isaiah chapter 6 and the seraphim's were calling to one another. Reminding each other how holy holy. Holy God is.
Definitely agree. Well, we have a conference coming up in February.
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Yeah, hey, we saw Keith. Keith Foskey's gonna be there. Yeah, we got Keith Foskey. We got Joe. How do you say it. Hemsworth Jonas? Sam Waldron. No, man. Michael Schultz, you're gonna hear the fire of Claude Ramsey and Mark Mark Chansky.
Yeah, that's right. We got a booing.
I'm learning how to say his name. I don't believe that was impressive Tom. You better believe night. That was impressive. Yeah.
Yep, Claude. It'll be fun.
We love Keith Foskey to.
Andrew Rappaport will be there.
Can't forget about Andrew.
The time.
Marlon will be there.
Marlon's gonna be there. They'll be good. No, holy. No.
Dealer is gonna be there and you could get your very own open-air theology Mug, which I'm the only one that has one right now. I.
Got a mug making machine in there so.
Do you have one though? I.
Could have one. He's got a big foot.
Dead man walking is gonna be there Troy. So don't miss out on that. It'll be the one that's DJing and hosting in that sense announcing people and whatnot. He's our. He's our now only resident Presbyterian that's gonna be at the conference.
Unless there's somebody in there that makes that I don't know about that's recently converted to Presbyterianism, but you don't convert to Presbyterianism.
You.
You just you just tell him what you want him to preach. He'll be a Presbyterian one day.
Disconcessions one day before you hear what I said, you don't convert you backslide. Yeah. A backsliding Baptist is a Presbyterian.
What's the heretic.
I'm a carter, right? Hey Orthodox MacArthur, we're going this is third Friday, bro. Third Friday this week. Where you at? Who coming?
We I'm hoping to leave out tomorrow so I can be there on Friday. Orthodox and Jeff.
Are you gonna be there? Are you gonna be there in January?
In fact, and well, yeah, I'll be there on the Lord's Day when you come.
But it's gonna be on the evangelism when he comes to that's. I'll be there. I'm ready. Yeah, he'll be there Saturday for evangelism, okay.
But because of my schedule I probably won't be there on the third Friday when you come in. Yeah.
I'm giving you plenty of notice, right?
Well.
More time with Tom we can go to the cigar shop on Saturday to.
That point.
That's great.
The cigar shops not only open on Fridays you mean it's open on a Saturday as well.
Yes, I mean, uh, so the guy that runs the cigar shop text me. Yesterday he said that he was wanting to know if we're gonna make it this third Friday because he has a Bachelor party wanting to rent out the cigar shop.
He says. But if y 'all plan on coming y 'all got. Y 'all always got first dibs on third Friday buddy.
That's pretty awesome. That's cool, dude.
So to call him back and tell him let the bachelor party come.
That way we can evangelize. Well, they're gonna rent it out. They know other customers can go in.
Went when that fight occurred today at the bar down down the way from the church. When you talk to the cops, I was evangelizing the cop.
Jeff had to drag me away. I.
Love it.
Well guys I gotta get off.
143 Hour 43 minutes. That was longer than I thought we'd go on. Yeah, thank you guys for joining us. We have what we have. We have some viewers today. So that's good. Thank you guys For listening to us.
Babble and fight and cage fight arm wrestle.
Thanks for letting me come on y 'all. I really Enjoyed. I enjoy talking to you guys Enjoy the camaraderie even the fight of the. I can't wait to see you guys in the cage match. Never know what's gonna happen bro, just gonna make make black hair come into your beard again.
Mmm.
Guys, I you know, I like Tyson man. I can walk across the I can walk across the ring.
Get double-legged.
As long as you're not walking around in a g-string before.
It was just the strap.
Are we allowed to say that what. The cup. What you saw was the cup. What are we talking about?
So we called them nut cups, I don't know what else they're called so forgive me ladies. It's the the cup that covers the private that keeps you getting hurt too bad. And so the style he had was a thong style like it just straps that we wrap around your butt.
Oh my god. Yeah, I I didn't I Never wore that style. I've wore the cuffs but not that style. Yeah, I'm out.
If you're walking around. Ladies miss choking his beard all night long, man. He's over there. I used to play with his.
I will I gotta say this rain.
I will say this you used to have a major fixation with that stupid.
Well, I know I I do.
Thank God you're growing a beard. You're reformed now. Oh.
My.
Andrew Rappaport and Keith Fossey.
Braden Patterson, I.
Would say I got all their good jeans, but I don't know good jeans I got.
This.
No, I don't. Too much of a sissy. All right guys, I gotta get off here.
All right guys you guys have a good night. We'll see you guys next week.
Hallelujah. All right. See you guys.