May 21, 2013

The Dividing Line Opens With Peter’s Call to Defend the Faith

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed to Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now. It's 602 973 460 to or toll-free across the United States. It's 1 877 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. And now with today's topic here is James white.

And welcome to the dividing line. Got a lot of stuff to get to today. Have a decent list here. Which means probably taking phone calls, but we will take one phone call. If you are the person behind the email ID descriptive grace at very well-known email server that scans all your stuff and then puts ads on all your web pages and freaks you out because all the web pages know Stuff that they really shouldn't know about you.

But anyways, if you are the person behind Descriptive grace I have invited said person to call in today to Substantiate his or her comment on turd and fans blog. The comment was anything written by James white is a disservice to Christianity.

This is about my book on the Quran. I'm sure it's full of all kinds of bigoted attacks on Christians and that half of the information is In oh, he actually edited it. Oh That's funny. On Islam is inaccurate because that's just how Jimmy rolls.

So I've invited him to a call-in and to substantiate what he has said. It says all of my books are just nothing but a cover for attacking non-Calvinists and All sorts of other lies and falsehoods and just a clear demonstration of an incredible amount of prejudice so the phone lines are open for descriptive grace to substantiate his Cavill's and My opinion is that like 99 .99 of everybody else I run into These folks are very brave behind keyboards.

Not so much when you actually have to Answer questions directly to yours truly. So we will we will we will go there now I'll get a little bit. Yeah, it's a phone lines are working good. Wanted to fill you in on what happened over the the weekend we only had one dividing line last week I think I heard some complaints about that.

But anyway went up to Reformation, Montana and You know beautiful country up there it was pretty pretty cloudy and drizzly and rainy the whole time I was there but Looks like a beautiful area probably a little bit colder than I would be able to handle on a regular basis.

But I've been told they have quite a cycling community up there. So Maybe that we can go back there sometime and there's some nice big mountains to climb. But anyways, it's up around Thirty six thirty seven hundred feet.

So it's sort of a little bit similar to the Prescott area and things like that a little bit lower. There's a 200. Well, okay. Anyways, it was nice and I Start off my time up there doing the debate Thursday evening with Justin Lee now.

If if you talk to Justin, it seems that he was very clear and saying he wasn't gonna be debating. He was just gonna be having a dialogue. If you talk to the folks who talk with Justin, you know, they sent him the format and he had agreed to that it seemed rather clear to me that Justin hadn't really started thinking about this until like about Monday of last week and Got very concerned about what was going to happen and What I found odd was he kept saying look I'm here representing GCN the gay Christian network and so I have to you know Recognize there's all sorts of different perspectives represented within GCM.

Well, okay but the reason we contacted Justin Lee was not because he was ahead of GCM the reason we contact Justin Lee is because he wrote a book called torn and Though Justin had not Really done any meaningful study in what I have had to say I had read torn three times and listened to his public Presentations multiple times as well.

And That's what we do. We we try to be prepared if we have the opportunity to know what someone's gonna be saying and to know their position well, then we will be prepared and so I had a Prepared opening had 20 minutes opening statement and As I listened to Justin start off because I left that up to him I said, you know if you want to go first want me to go first, whatever I'll leave it up to you We could tell when he got there.

He was very very nervous Said he had not ever done this before and this is sort of against his convictions. He shouldn't be doing debates and and so on so forth and and so I was doing everything I could to try to Set him at ease to let him know that we we do these things respectfully and Stuff like that so he makes his opening presentation and I immediately realized That what I have prepared.

I'm just not gonna be able to do I'm gonna have to fly by the seat of my pants and for the first time in almost somewhere between 125 and 130 moderated public debates. And you can actually listen to the vast majority of those Unlike some people who claim to have done many and you can't anyway I I I had forgotten my live scribe pen I had left it sitting on my desk and that's what I use when I'm in debates.

And so I Normally, what I do is I have a pad of paper or the live scribe thing and and I'll put the person I'm debating his name Date normally location and then sometimes I'll scribble out what the time controls are gonna be so 20 minute opening statements 10 minute rebuttals etc, etc, and Then I you know, so I wrote all that out on a pad of paper that squirrel, let me let me have it had had it in his car.

And that was last time I touched it for the first time in Nearly 130 debates. I did not write any notes Because I didn't need to I mean I Had done so much study of his position that I knew all of his stories and He didn't say he only said one thing that I had not heard him say before and So I didn't need to take any notes the the challenge of the evening was In essence to keep him on the stage.

I mean if I had wanted to if it had been my desire to have a spectacle of Since it wasn't being videotaped. It would have been much of a spectacle but but to create a spectacle of Someone walk, you know storming out of the room and going I win see I'm a great defender of the faith blah blah.

It would have been very easy to do Very very easy to do but that's not why I was there and So the whole evening was Not on a debate level a challenge, but it was really a challenge to try to dialogue with Justin in such a way as to Interact with what he was trying to say the people that were there The people that were there Really seemed if if there were any negative comments About the debate.

I didn't hear them and maybe squirrel and the guys are just keeping those away from me. I don't know. But the vast majority of people that I did talk to just thought that it was an excellent Opportunity to engage someone with same-sex attraction who claims to be a Christian To to challenge them to talk about important issues And to provide a real contrast between the perspective that was pretty much from Justin's perspective based upon himself and his own experience and Saying we're not the ones that get to decide these things.

And.

A Debate With Justin Lee on Same-Sex Attraction and Christian Conviction

So when will we have the. I mean we have the audio audio now, right? When do you think you'll be able to get that up? Try to get up today. I know you said tomorrow, but I'm just gonna skip that.

But that way that way if anybody wants to complain just so everybody knows today or tomorrow.

No, no, I I only heard today or tomorrow, okay.

But.

If it's tomorrow address all complaints to Rich Pierce, okay, just so you know. Anyway I'll be interested in hearing what people.

Say.

I.

Recommended that if people are interested in this area that you read Justin's book. Because it was very helpful to me To hear the thoughts of someone in his situation. And I'm sure he'll be hearing this but I had the opportunity of talking with someone at a church recently and I was already.

You know, I had already read torn once or twice by time I had this conversation but recently on one of my trips I talked with someone who is in a sound church church I was speaking at who has same-sex attraction and we spent hours talking about how you deal with that and what that means and How to approach the subject and and I'm glad I had that that opportunity.

It's look it's it's something a lot of us have just kept in a you know in a dark place. We just don't even want to think about that. It's we are much more comfortable talking with a fellow believer who struggles with pornography or struggles with you know lust for a you know, the woman that the co-worker at work or something like that or or You know anger or just all sorts of normal Temptations but to to talk with someone who has same-sex attraction.

That's tough for most of us to do because we just haven't thought through what that means or what it should mean or How to deal with it and One of the things that certainly is true is that if we have someone who is not trying to change the Christian faith and Is not doing what the vast majority of homosexuals are doing which is demanding that we shut up that we stop talking about this that we celebrate Homosexuality if you have someone who says I'm same-sex attracted.

I don't want to be I am repentant for any Attitude before God that is outside of his perfect will for me including same-sex attraction itself, which is.

Disordered in.

Its orientation. It's a demonstration. I'm a fallen son or daughter of Adam. If you have someone who is looking for help in living a godly celibate life Where can they go. Would would we be people who would encourage them or turn them away?

That is really the question that we have to ask ourselves. I have a feeling that there are going to be some people who are Going to Hear this debate and go that Obviously you have edited it you have changed it because James White does not have a heart therefore He could not have engaged in this debate in the first place.

There are people who believe that of course, they're not ever gonna listen to this. I'm not gonna read anything that I've read. They're not gonna you know, any of those things. This was not the Barry Lynn debate by any stretch of the imagination.

There there's gonna be no discussion of of Texts I presented them. I focused primarily upon first Corinthians chapter 6 and I emphasized, you know had to ask the question What were you such were some of you?

What does that mean? But Justin just did not want to go there and It made for a challenging evening for me. Obviously that's that's not easy. But that's what it was so that's what we had on Thursday night and then on Friday I Decided to do my New Testament reliability presentation in three parts, which means I could tell all my stories and You know go through it at a nice slow pace and everyone seemed to enjoy that and Then I took questions from the audience after the at the end of my third presentation and during that time I had I had encountered baby Gabriel and Since I am a frustrated Grandpa who has had his grandpa card revoked.

Once I saw little baby Gabriel who's only a month older than my granddaughter it was love at first sight and And so I was playing with him all the time. So during the Q &A period I just went back and grabbed him and walked around answered questions carrying baby Gabriel who found the microphone to be fascinating and was trying to eat it, which of course all babies at that age trying to eat everything and he just smiled and and Laugh and then it then he'd see my class ring and it was just like oh It's like it's reach grab head for the mouth.

That's just just at that age. That's just that's just all there is to it. It's just nothing but it was it was there a couple little babies there a little John I got to hold a little bit too. John was very serious.

Very very serious. I always worried me like hmm He's very serious. I'm hoping he's not gonna start screaming here in a second if I'm holding but I got a lot of baby pictures taken while I was there and Then Phil Johnson showed up and of course Chris Rosebaugh was there and and Chris and I are an interesting pair to have around, you know, I call him a Lutheran and We were on the same flight out on Sunday morning and But it was on United and so since I'm a US Airways frequent flyer.

Then I'm Star Alliance gold. And so I got to go in the special lane. And so we started this I'm special you're on the L list which you know could be Lutheran or it could just be loser one of the two and You know because I was I was on a plane before him and all the rest of stuff and then we got into Denver.

They did all sorts of weird stuff.

By.

As far as moving his flight around stuff, but mine was on time. And I was like, so we're texting each other back and forth talking about what's like to be on the L list Versus being special, you know, so all my special flight is going to be going out of a special time which is on time and blah blah, so we're we're having a fair amount of fun and Going to dinner or lunch with with the pirate is quite interesting, too so but I can't tell half the stories he told because we just weren't allowed to do that, but anyhow and And Phil was around and I did speak on X chapter 20 Right at the right.

He has had a good good time up there and then there are some pictures. Which I will have to disavow floating around as of this morning of me allegedly holding certain pieces of Advanced weaponry that let's just say certain, California senators would like to see banned.

But that haven't been yet and I don't think they'd ever get around to really actually doing that in Montana, but anyway. So you can do fun stuff up in up in Montana as well. So later today we will have that Justin Lee debate available and just keep looking for it there on the on the blog and That'll be that'll be helpful.

Also, just a reminder. I need to get hold of Haseem son of Ramallah king of graphics to put together a a graphic for the South Africa trip but we still need to Hear from you. You know pastor Frey complained about that.

He said he went on the websites once it's all the one for England and just did not feel that was appropriate. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's I thought that was funny, but He doesn't think that's that's appropriate.

So. But we still need to raise funds to get down to yes. I have to tell you.

I'm I'm absolutely shocked by that. Why pastor Frey was on the Internet.

At those house that was my response. Don't know how that happened, but Need to get that up. It's because we need to start looking at how we're gonna book flights. I don't know even what carrier to go on right now because Unfortunately the one that I need to go on US Airways obviously isn't gonna be flying from London to Johannesburg so normally like right now I would fly Star Alliance and I still get my miles.

But.

US Airways is merging with American. American isn't Star Alliance. It's one world, which sounds very, you know, Gail Rippling or ask anyways, and. So what's gonna be like at the end of September? Which one do you which one you go on?

I don't know. In fact right now. Nobody seems to know. So we'll find out. I don't. I don't know. Will I be coming to Cape Town? I doubt it. I don't know. The the first folks who contacted me down there are in charge of my schedule and I'm very thankful to point out that the folks down there have said that they have had to turn down 80 of the invitations.

That they have gotten so what that means is I could stay down there for a long time and What it also means is obviously probably need to be thinking about returning again in 2014 as well. So, let's just hope the first trip goes well and then that could lay a foundation for doing more down there In in 2014 as well.

I think that would be great, but I have a shelf life when it comes to traveling. After about 10 days, I'm probably get sick and then it's no use having me around anyways, and so. That's just how it works.

So I wish it was not that way. But if you'd like to help us get to South Africa, there is a link on the the last dividing line I think put up and we're gonna need to put up a banner ad so it's a little bit easier for people to find that.

And help us to get to South Africa.

The Book of Mormon, Mormon Scripture Changes, and the Book of Abraham

Now I'm pretty sure they can in the store. Just search travel. Oh, okay, and that should pop up for them.

Good. Well, that'll help too. That's good. I mentioned earlier this particular Commentary that Was left on Turretin fans blog by someone using the nick descriptive grace and.

I.

It just is absolutely amazing to me beyond amazing.

That.

Folks who oppose reform theology can become so. Absolutely, um, just just just so prejudiced so well bigoted That they overthrow all elements of Christian character as as I mentioned. The this individual clearly and it admits has not read my book on the Quran and If he would have the courage of his convictions and call in here, I Would imagine he would have to admit.

He's never read anything that I have written outside of maybe a blog article somewhere. He's not read any of my books. He's not read letters to a Mormon elder. He's not read the King James only controversy or any of these books and.

Yet.

He can make accusations of Bigoted attacks on Christians. Now those of you who've read the book on the Quran is are there any bigoted attacks on Christians in there? Of course not. Half the information this long inaccurate because that's just how Jimmy rolls.

Hmm.

So evidently all the information on the Trinity Would be inaccurate in the book on the Trinity or justification by faith. See, it doesn't. Even these folks don't even care if what they're saying is even semi close to the truth.

The point is well you folks are.

Calvinists and.

If you're Calvinist.

Then.

You must.

Be well.

You're just liars. That's just the way you are and you engage in bigoted attacks on Christians and all the rest of stuff and You just have to go. Um What what lies behind this it almost becomes a I I mean, I know how to describe it.

But how do you what what leads to this? I Don't even understand, you know, I I know. Some I've listened to some amazingly bad. We all have we've done radio free Geneva amazingly bad arguments against reform theology, but How many times have I pointed out that some of the people who attack Calvinism in other areas? Can do excellent work.

I don't just automatically assume that. Well, there you go. You you just must everything you do must be bigoted attacks just because I disagree with you. The mindset of these folks is very similar to the cultic mindset of King James only as some people like that.

It's it it's it's amazing.

Yes, I.

Can tell you that I just listened to the lingo being used and I can think of at least two or three. Regularly. Regular emailers that we get you don't ever see them they just land in what we call the notes from nuts file and but.

So-called Christians. This is their. Oh, yeah their way of.

Presenting themselves. I've said I've said many times that the nastiest stuff. I've I've ever seen are from people who call themselves Christians. Who are either opposed to Calvinism or a King James. Only us and sometimes those two things go hand-in-hand so you put the two of them together it gets really nasty, but and I'm talking about from atheists and and Mormons and Roman Catholics and Muslims and the whole realm of stuff nobody can can sling an insult as.

As much as those who call themselves Christians. And so as I said, we we've got the phone lines open and they're still about 36 minutes left in the program today. So if whoever it is who will not sign their name.

Who says all I can do is erect straw men and knock them down and so on and so forth.

Then.

You know would like to provide some documentation by the way.

Um.

Phone lines are open phone lines are open and that's one phone call will take because we got other things to talk about but Phone call the phone call would be great. From the fellow with the with the Nick well, not the Nick, but the the ID descriptive grace.

We'd like to see how gracious descriptive grace Actually actually is now a number of people sent me this link. And if you're eating lunch right now, I would suggest you put your lunch down. Or if you're about to eat this this probably won't help a lot, but a number of people sent me this link and This is this is from Anglican Inc, which is not a British tattoo parlor, but has something to do with the Anglican Church.

George Conger has written an article. Diversity not Jesus saves says presiding bishop. The presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church has denounced the Apostle Paul as mean-spirited and bigoted for having released a slave girl from demonic bondage as reported in Acts 16 16 through 34.

In her sermon delivered at All Saints Church in Caracal in the Diocese of Venezuela Bishop Catherine Jefferts shori Condemned those who did not share her views as enemies the Holy Spirit. I'm just reading it folks.

I I.

Obviously do not believe for a for a moment that this woman is a bishop of.

The Christian Church.

But somehow she is a bishop in the Anglican Church. Presiding bishop Catherine Jefferts shori the presiding bishop opened her remarks an observation on the Dutch slave past the history of this place. Tell us some tragic stories about the inability of some to see the beauty in other skin colors or the treasure of cultures They didn't value or understand.

She said she continues stating human beings have long a long history of discounting and valuing difference. Finding an offensive or even evil that kind of blindness is what leads to oppression slavery and often war.

Yet there remains a holier impulse in human life toward freedom dignity and the full flourishing of those who have been kept apart or on the margins of human communities. Just as the forces of historical inevitability lead to the end led to the ending of industrial slavery.

So too would the march of progress lead to a change attitude toward homosexuality. She argued we live with the continuing tension between holier impulses that encourage us to see the image of God in all human beings.

And the reality that some of us choose not to see that glimpse of the divine and instead use other people as means to an end. We're seeing something similar right now and the changing attitudes and laws about same-sex relationships as many people come to realize that different is.

Not the same thing is wrong. For many people it can be difficult to see God at work in the world around us, particularly if God is doing something.

Unexpected.

To illustrate her point presiding bishop turned to the book of Acts noting. There are some remarkable examples that kind of blindness in the readings. We heard this morning and slavery is wrapped up in a lot of it.

Paul is annoyed at the slave girl who keeps pursuing him telling the world that he and his companions are slaves of God. She is quite right. She's telling the same truth Paul and others that claim for themselves.

Bishop Jefferts sure he said. Reference referencing the first chapter of the epistle to the Romans. But Paul is annoyed perhaps for being put in his place. And he responds by Detroit. But depriving her of her gift of spiritual awareness.

Just just case you're let me stop you just case you're wondering. He cast the demon out of her. But. But for Bishop Shorey Paul deprived her of her gift of a Spiritual awareness which might tell you where Bishop Shorey is actually coming from and what's prompting her.

He cast the demon out of her and this is a bad thing. That's a bad thing. Yes.

Paul can't abide something he won't see as beautiful or holy so he tries to destroy it. It gets him thrown in prison. That's pretty much where he's put himself. By his own rule only it's hard to read this.

By his own refusal to recognize that she too shares in God's nature. Just as much as he does maybe more. So the presiding bishop said I'm sorry. It's either laugh or cry because I know some of the the last remaining Christian Anglicans, okay, and I just feel for anyone associated with the Anglican Church when you have an obvious non-christian apostate false teacher as a presiding bishop who is so Incapable of the most basic Level of exegesis of the text that it's just embarrassing on a level that's difficult to even begin to conceive.

It's it's amazing I'm not even done yet. The New Testament passage goes on to say that Paul and Silas were in prison for freeing the girl of her demonic possession. Presiding bishop noted an earthquake opens the doors and sets them free.

And now Paul and his friends most definitely Discern the presence of God. The jailer doesn't he thinks his end is at hand. However Paul now repents of his mistake in casting out the spirit of divination she argues.

This time Paul remembers who he is and that all his neighbors are reflections of God and he reaches out to his frightened captor. This time Paul acts with compassion rather than annoyance and as a result the company of Jesus friends expands to include a whole new Household.

It makes me wonder what would have happened to that slave girl if Paul had seen the spirit of God in her. In support her argument for radical inclusion diversity over doctrine Bishop Jefferts shoree. He adds that the day's readings from Revelation pushes us in the same direction outward and away from our own self-righteousness.

Inviting us to look harder for God's gift and presence all around us. Jesus says he's looking for everybody. Anyone who is looking for good news. Anybody who is thirsty. There are no obstacles or burials.

Just come barriers. Just come. God is at work everywhere even if we can't or won't see it immediately. She concluded a sermon by stating that we are not justified by our faith but by our respect for Diversity, let me let me let me reread that.

She conclude her sermon by saying that we are not justified by our faith, but by our respect for diversity. Quote. Looking for the reflection of God's glory all around us means changing our lenses or letting the scales on our eyes fall away.

That kind of change isn't easy for everyone, but it's the only road to the kingdom of God. And quote. Salvation comes not from being cleansed of our sins by the atoning sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

But through the divinization of humanity through the work of the human will quote. We are here among all the other creatures of God's creation to be transformed into the glory. Intended from the beginning the next time we feel the pain of that change perhaps instead of an annoyance or angry resentment.

We might pray for a new pair of glasses. When resentment about difference or change builds up within us. It's really an invitation to look inward for the wound that cries out for a healing dose of glory.

We'll find it in the strangeness of our neighbor. Celebrate that difference for it's necessary for the healing of this world and know the wholeness. We so crave lies and recognizing the glory of God's creative invitation.

God among us in human form is the most glorious act we know and quote. Responses post we've posted on the Episcopal Church's website the presiding bishop's sermon have been uniformly harsh. Noting her interpretation was at odds with traditional Christian teaching grammar and logic.

This is quite possibly some of the most delusional exegesis ever read in my life. One critic charged. I'm sorry, but this sermon is not a Christian sermon and quote.

Amen.

The reception by bloggers has been equally unkind. The reverend Timothy Fountain observed the presiding bishop had Upended the plain meaning of the text instead of liberation and freeing the slave girl from exploitation presiding bishop finds confinement instead of Christ's glory.

There is just squalor the reverend Brian Owen argued. Quote. What's happening here is the exploitation of a biblical text in service of a theopolitical Agenda. Given what she says in the first paragraph I've quoted from her sermon the presiding bishop suggests that anyone who doesn't bind that agenda anyone who holds the traditional Orthodox understanding of such matters is likewise afflicted the same narrow-minded bigotry as Paul and thus in need of Enlightenment.

Wow oh.

My and in light of that Um was it not just yesterday the the Church of Scotland Capitulated on Homosexuality and gay marriage. Yeah. State churches don't work too. Well not don't work too. Well. I think that has been illustrated over and over and over and over again.

Any any phone calls there from descriptive grace. No descriptive grace hasn't given us call. Okay while I was in Montana I Think right before I headed to Montana. I saw a tweet from Scott Eric alt a convert to Romanism That church and fan, and I had reviewed some comments.

He made his blog. I don't know sometime last year. I think it's been a while and. And It was about the lie, and it's and it is a lie. There's no other way to put it that there are 33 ,000 or now Scott all has now decided that it's forty eight thousand five hundred Protestant denominations and counting now he dismissed my reason my refutation which is Absolutely thorough.

I mean if you're gonna say African tribal religions Gnostics Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are due to soul scriptura and our quote-unquote process nominations. I can't talk to you because you are not a rational person you have abandoned all pretense to rationality.

I mean if you're if you're That mindset in service of Rome is cultic. It is the same mindset that The Mormon missionary has when with glazed eyes. He just keeps repeating his testimony. I know that Joseph Smith is a prophet.

I know the Pope's the Pope so it doesn't matter. That I'm obviously committing enough category errors in every sentence to be committed to a facility. But I'm just gonna keep doing it because it's what Rome tells me to do.

That's cultic mr. There is no reasoning with this it's it's it's absurd on a level that is beyond Respectability it truly is. Yeah.

Joseph Smith is is really interested in soul scriptura as he's walking around with a Jupiter talisman in his pocket and a witching rod in.

His hand yeah, yeah, he's into that but but all those Mormon groups are part of the 33 ,000 and then he provides this believe or not he provides a Mathematical formula to attempt to explain. How many denominations there are today now?

I'm not even gonna bother responding to that foolishness other than one thing to you know to point one little simple thing out. But he didn't put into his Into his calculations have you noticed mr.. Alt?

How many churches are closing these days. I By the way have noticed a lot of Roman Catholic churches have closed in in Rome and of course I don't think he mentioned anywhere the fact that the same source talks about many Roman Catholic denominations.

Which of course he would reject. There's only one one church union with the Pope, and you know it's that wide-eyed I'm a convert. I don't see the fact that there's all sorts of Fractures and and people teaching completely different things and what the Pope teaches and and when one Pope contradicts I'm just I I am a servant of the Pope.

I do not see these things. It's just it's just um. It's the mind numbs on B approach. I do not respect the mind numbs on B approach. I'd rather have someone who actually engages in thought, but mr.. All have you noticed something.

Have you noticed that there are churches closing? Have you noticed that there's the the church shrinkage movement has begun? Especially in Western culture so upon what logical level would you say well, it's been it's been this constant Increase in Protestant nominations since 1517 as if that's even the relevant date to use because that's historically naive but Believing in the papacy is historically naive so I guess being historically naive is just part of them part of the thing.

But.

And if you want to know how many Protestant nominations there will be on October 31st 2017 The date and we'll celebrate 500 glorious years of apostasy. You'll be pleased to know that you can figure that as well on that glorious day the rebellion of Martin Luther will of birth as many as fifty fifty three thousand seventy five the nomination this fifty three thousand seven this is Absurd on a level that means there is no reason to ever talk about Scott Aldegan.

He has completely made himself unworthy of Anyone's even bothering and yet this is what slavery to Rome does it's just it's amazing. Yeah, those African tribal groups and oh, then there's the Gnostics.

Well, we'll lay them at your feet, too. There's no reasoning with someone like that and that means his reasons for joining Rome are not rational that reasonable not respectable and We can just simply mark that one off as you've got to be kidding me.

But that is the case you've got to be kidding me.

Scott all.

Writes an entire blog article just trying to defend the impossible, especially in light of the fact that anyone who looks at Rome and Goes and visits a.