Benny Hinn Repents with Justin Peters and Andrew Rappaport

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Benny Hinn repented.

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Well, I guess maybe just maybe Justin Peters is going to disagree with me

yet again.

But but Justin didn't.

Benny Hinn make a confession that the prosperity gospel is is false teaching.

Yes, yes Andrew.

He did for about the fourth or fifth time now in his ministry he's done that.

All right, so for folks who may have had their head in the sand and don't know.

This week earlier this week Benny Hinn came out with a confession that's actually the title of it

on his YouTube channel and I want to first Justin play this for folks so that we have some context

and then you and I can discuss this.

It is about For a little more than four minutes long, but I am going to be playing it at a

little bit quicker speed.

Just so we get through it so Let me play that for you.

And then Justin and I are gonna discuss that because I think we're gonna find that well.

We don't quite believe that Benny Hinn actually did repent.

So here we go.

So it's all about our.

Brokenness our old man.

We call that the flesh must be broken must be out of the way and

today sadly Among a lot of circles.

All you hear is how to build the flesh.

It's a feel -good message.

That's what you hear out there.

It's all about feel good do good all that.

Make money all the rest of it and I'm sorry to say that prosperity has gone a little crazy

and I'm correcting my own Theology and you need to all know it.

Because when I read the Bible now, I don't see the Bible in the same eyes.

I saw the Bible 20 years ago and Steve Strang from charisma whom we go back

years.

He actually he was in my wedding.

People don't even know that charisma magazine began with my father -in -law.

Charisma magazine started with Roy Harlan and I married his daughter.

Steve Strang was in in my wedding.

We go way back and he's already asked me sir.

Are you ready to make it public?

That's what not totally.

Because I don't want to hurt my friends or my love who believe things I don't believe anymore and I will tell you now

something that you it's gonna shock you.

I think it's an offense to the Lord.

It's an offense to say give $1 ,000.

I Think it's offense to the Holy Spirit to place a price on the gospel.

I'm done with it.

I will never again Ask you to give a thousand or whatever amounts because I think the Holy Ghost is just fed up

with it.

Are you did you hear me?

I think that hurts the gospel.

So I'm making this table for the first time in my life.

And frankly, I don't care what people think about me anymore

so I Had a guy.

Well, I'll tell you who it was Dan Willis.

I loved him with Omar.

That's a don't you dare preach that message again?

Just if it is another one, I'm not gonna hear it.

I don't even be a part of it.

So I when they invite me to telephones, I think they will not like me anymore because if you

look at the Word of God, I Don't want to get into it now.

Am I shocking you?

Good.

Let's have a high -five on this one.

If I hear one more time break the back of debt with a thousand dollars, I'm gonna rebuke them.

I Think that's buying the gospel that's buying the blessings.

That's grieving the Holy Spirit.

That's about all I will say.

If you are not giving because you love Jesus don't bother giving.

I think giving has become such a gimmick.

It's making me sick to my stomach.

And I've been sick for a while too.

I just couldn't say it and now the lid is off.

You know why I don't want to get to heaven and be reviewed.

No, I think it's time.

We say it like it is.

The gospel is not for sale.

And the blessings of God are not for sale and miracles are not for sale.

And Prosperity is not for sale.

All right.

So with that that is the first of the two clips that we're gonna play and.

Well, you know there's a there's a lot in here Justin that a lot of people are making a big deal about and

a lot of people are.

Saying that he genuinely repented.

You don't believe he did.

No.

No, not for a second.

Do I believe he did?

Not only do I not believe that he did I can conclusively prove that he has not

repented.

There there is just so much there to break down.

One thing this is not the first.

We only we only have one hour Justin.

Oh, yeah.

I'm working on my own as you know, I'm working on my own video that will have a lot of

video of Benny Hinn from 25 28 years ago and some video

from a few days ago.

That that will conclusively prove he has he has not repented.

This is not the first time that Benny Hinn has done this he has quote -unquote repented from the

prosperity gospel four or five times and Going back to the early 90s.

After the very first major expose that was done on his ministry by inside edition

featuring a very young -looking What's his name?

Bill O 'Reilly very young -looking Bill O 'Reilly, but they did a.

They did a an expose on Benny Hinn and it was it was and I'm not using profanity here.

It was damning.

I mean it really was for him and He came out and he made this big

public apology.

In fact, I could play a short clip of that if You want to try to do that?

Let's see.

I don't know if I Let's see, you could just hit play and it'll we'll get the audio.

Okay, we'll try we'll try this here.

Okay, this is just one.

This is right after the very first big expose was done on him.

So There you go preachers who live in big homes and drive

big cars ought to re -examine their calling.

Well, that was in the early 90s.

So he said this before he said it again about a year and a half ago.

Said that he had repented.

He's done this periodically throughout his ministry.

But he always goes back to the same old thing because that's where the money is.

He always goes back like a dog returning to its vomit.

He goes back to it because that's where the the money is the bread and butter.

So this is nothing new second thing I would point out is that

He says that he has believed this for some time now in fact in Interview that he did with

charisma magazine that was put up just a couple of days ago as of this recording.

He says that he has believed this now.

He's had it's this change of heart for the last two years.

But he couldn't make it public because he was afraid of offending Friends of his

who still believe prosperity theology.

Afraid of offending some of his friends.

How about offending God?

That that's who he should be afraid of offending the Alpha and Omega.

Not his not his fellow fake faith healers.

So that right there tells you that this is not genuine if he was truly repentant.

He would be so eager to make this right by God.

That he would he would be out there, you know in the forefront immediately upon discovering this

New revelation for him that prosperity theology is not actually biblical.

But no, he was more afraid of offending his fellow prosperity preaching friends than he was about offending God.

And and you can go through Benny Hinn's timeline right now go to his.

Go to his Twitter feed right now.

And I mean, I've got I've got video of Benny Hinn from Just the past few days of

his television program that he is telling people to sow a seed.

So $120 seed, I mean this was just from a couple of days ago.

Hold on.

Hold on Justin because I I'll act as the devil's advocate and in this case. I may actually be

doing that.

We don't usually want to advocate for the devil.

But in this case, maybe he is.

I want to play a clip because he's he's given.

What may be an answer you pointed out Public on your Twitter feed that he had that video

out and he provided yet another Video to explain that which

you have mentioned.

So let's let's share and listen to this.

I.

Know many of you have heard What I said Monday night about what I stand on prosperity

Because of what the Lord Jesus is doing in my heart, which is very real.

And I did an interview Yesterday with Steve Strang on his podcast, but I

think you will really enjoy Listening to Somehow today by mistake

one of my old tapes.

That are on one of our social media platforms that we have corrected.

There are still some old teachings out there that I'm sure you'll probably watch or hear.

But I do not want you to believe that I have changed my stand on prosperity as I have declared

Monday night.

Very clearly that's been all over now.

It's gone viral.

But please again watch or listen to what I did with Steve Strang

Yesterday on his podcast.

I think you'll be blessed.

Bless you.

Okay, so.

And I believe he even took that video down.

So wouldn't wouldn't we say that he has genuinely repented him.

And look.

We even see the evidence of it the evidence being that he has he's not only repented.

But he's taken the video down that you said he was asking for the hundred and twenty dollars say

seeing of sowing of seeds.

Yeah, he did take that one down.

Now he makes it sound like this was video from Ten fifteen years ago.

No, I mean this was still Pretty recent within with at least within the last couple of years.

You can just tell by looking at him that he's Considerably older he pretty much looks the same in that video that he's talking

about that he took down as he does today.

So this was not very long ago at all.

But it wasn't just that program.

I mean literally his timeline is absolutely filled filled

with this teaching Going back.

I mean go back Earlier this week the week before the week before that

All throughout August all throughout July all throughout June.

I mean literally it is it is chock full of this stuff.

So now if he was as serious as about it as what he claims He would be taking

all of this stuff down.

I mean my goodness a guy has a Media team like no other I mean he pays people

to do this stuff for him.

It's still up there.

Well and and to think about the fact that he said that this change occurred two years ago.

Yeah, that's what he says.

So it's sitting against his own conscience then.

Well, yeah, I mean that that's the that's one of the that's one of the questions because literally I mean go back the last two

Years looking at us and his television programs and it's full of prosperity theology.

Absolutely full of it.

So there there's No, he hasn't he hasn't changed.

Also even in his Confession he he's being very

disingenuous, but he's created a lot of problems for himself actually.

This confession this repentance.

He says that in the last two years, let's just assume us for the sake

of sake of kicks and giggles here that Somehow in the last two years his

theology has changed on Prosperity and despite the fact that his media

timeline for the last two years is still full of the same Prosperity theology, but let's just say that

somehow all of that so everything on his Twitter timeline and all his

all of his television programs last two years were somehow every single one of them recorded More than two years ago just for

kicks and giggles.

Let's say that Here's a problem he's created for himself.

Hey, he says that this is a new discovery because he has grown closer to the

Lord and he has now discovered this.

Well just by saying that he is immediately disqualified himself from being a Bible

teacher.

So you're telling me Benny Hinn That you have been teaching prosperity theology

for 40 Years and You're just now discovering that it's

unbiblical.

This has been a staple of his teaching.

This is his bread -and -butter.

Teaching it is what he is known for and so that for which he is known.

He is now saying he's been wrong about for the last 40 years.

Then then you don't you're not qualified.

You're not apt to teach.

You're not able to teach sound doctrine and you're certainly not able to refute those who contradicted.

So this major discovery has just been in the last couple of years when he's had four decades of teaching the opposite.

Well, the man obviously has a fundamental misunderstanding of how to read in the church of Scripture.

He is he's.

We'll just say biblically illiterate and yet he's been teaching the Bible for 40 years.

Well, the argument that some are gonna make Justin is who are you to question him?

What expertise do you have on Benny Hinn?

What expertise do I have?

Yeah, did you maybe write some small little paper on his ministry?

Yes, I did.

I wrote my master's thesis on Benny Hinn.

For my master of theology at Southwestern Seminary wrote my master's thesis on Benny Hinn.

I have read most if not all of his books.

I have been to 17 different Benny Hinn crusades all over the country.

I've been in the trenches.

I've talked to people.

I know what goes on.

I've been in there.

So Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm pretty well versed on Benny Hinn.

I know how he does what he does.

I know what he is taught.

I Know things about Benny Hinn that I that I haven't even talked about publicly.

Would it be fair to say that you possibly know the Hinn family better than the Hinn family?

No, I don't know I wouldn't say that no.

Well, you know, they're teaching but you know the teaching I know they're teaching.

Yes.

I know they're teaching.

I know how he does what he does.

I know where these wheelchairs That just magically appear on the platform.

I know where they come from.

I know how that works.

I know how they Screen people to get up on stage because I've tried to get up on stage myself

as part of research not because I wanted to be healed.

So, yeah, I mean I know how he does what he does.

So this is.

This is kind of and I don't say this in any kind of arrogance, but this is this is my wheel well I've studied this

stuff.

Here's another problem here's and this is a big one it may be one of the biggest ones.

That he's created another problem for himself and that is this.

You can go back and you could literally you could find thousands

thousands tens of thousands of examples of Benny Hinn

saying Variations of the following God is

speaking to me and he is telling me that if you will sow Seed into this

ministry, you will reap a harvest so a hundred and twenty dollars.

So a thousand dollars so $770 he comes up with all

these different numbers based on different things all the time.

Oh I feel an anointing here.

The anointing is so strong I've never felt the anointing as strongly as I do right now.

God is speaking to me and whatever God says, you know We act on it.

He claims that he he claims that God speaks to him all the

time and God has told him for 40 years.

Multiplied thousands upon thousands of times throughout the last 40 years God has told Benny Hinn to tell

people if they will sow a seed then they will reap a harvest.

Now he says he disagrees with that oops.

You've just outed yourself Benny Hinn as a false prophet.

You've just outed yourself as a false prophet and this is all this.

This was one of the first things that I wanted to talk with you about because My thinking when I look at this he's claiming

that what he's taught for 40 years is False is false teaching, but he

wants you to believe him now.

So all this time he was close to the Lord.

He was hearing it directly from the Lord.

And what he what I didn't hear him do is say I was lying I was

deceived.

I you know, the issue I have with what he says is it wasn't specific especially to himself

because if somebody was teaching some for 40 years and They realized

Everything I was teaching was a lie.

I was saying it was coming from God.

I was either deceived or I was lying one or the other.

I don't hear that from him.

He just says I got a new revelation.

Well, this is just a continuation of the same.

I'm hearing from the Lord talk.

But now it's contradicting what he used to hear from the Lord.

So it's like they're okay we have a contradiction and yet he doesn't he doesn't discredit what

he's done for 40 years as Being false teaching and him being a false teacher.

But he's still saying it's coming from God the same the very same thing that we have issues with it claims the

spiritual Authority so that no one can question it because it comes from God.

But if the other message came from God and this message comes from God and they contradict each other.

Then obviously his one of his messages if not, both are not from the Lord.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, you can't have it both ways.

You can't have it both ways.

So if If you no longer agree with this theology, then then then.

Benny Hinn.

What you have just done is you have just admitted to the entire world That for the last 40 years you have not been

hearing from God like you claim you have been.

What do we call people like that people who say the Lord spoke to me when in fact the Lord did not speak to them.

What do we call people like that?

The Bible calls them false prophets.

I Mean it.

He's painted himself into a corner.

And yeah, so here's things I noticed with this.

He gets there's one point where he he says, are you shocked?

I mean the audience is clapping.

This was my first indicator that the audience must be in on it because if you've been teaching

something for 40 years.

And this is the first time you're ever going to announce it

and You have people that have been believing this and I mean we say believing this.

They've been putting money behind it for years and.

Now you're gonna say it was all wrong and they're gonna clap and say, you know, great.

Amen.

Give a high -five.

That's not the reaction that someone would have if they just were told everything they were taught was a sham.

They wouldn't be cheering.

Yeah, no, no, they wouldn't.

I don't know that the entire audience was in on it.

I like I don't.

I don't think Benny him before that program before as he walked into a studio there and

Alyssa Viejo, California.

That he before the camera started rolling.

He looked at the audience.

He said, okay guys now I'm about to completely change my theology.

I want you to go along with me here.

I don't think it was necessarily set up.

No, but I think there were probably enough people.

Just like when they do the the staged Healings and things like that.

I think there were some people that did know they were supposed to clap at this.

Especially because he gives a high -five to a guy that it's almost as if he knew the guy

was standing there.

Yeah, but see Benny Hannon such a master manipulator of people.

When you're there, you're you're there in the studio.

The lights are on the cameras are rolling.

You know.

This is being recorded and the quote -unquote man of God walks up to you and gives you a high -five.

If you're predisposed to this if you believe Benny Hannon is a man of God and You obviously

do because you wouldn't be there in the first place.

If you didn't then you're just naturally gonna.

You know, you're gonna go along with it.

It's it's the same dynamic about how he gets people to fall over when he slays them in the spirit and all this

stuff and so.

Dan Wilson has he has he come out and pulled support for Benny because he was named

by name.

Has there been anything?

I mean cuz cuz one of the things, you know better than I write is that when?

Benny Hinn's nephew Kosti Got saved.

I mean the family kind of they didn't treat him.

So well, we'll put it that way.

Sort of cut him off and whatnot.

And what do we see Benny's?

Hinn's friends doing that yet, and maybe we need to give it more time but you know, are they.

I mean, I don't see them calling him out and Saying anything as if there may

not be believing that this is real either.

Yeah, I don't know.

It'll be interesting to see what people like Steve Muncy and

Mike Murdoch in fact speaking of Mike Murdoch when Benny you we just heard Benny in on that clip say

if I hear Break the back of debt with a thousand dollar seed again.

If I hear that again, I'm gonna rebuke that person.

He's talking about Mike Murdoch.

Mike that's one of Mike Murdoch's famous lines.

I've broke the back of poverty with a thousand dollar seed.

Mike Murdoch was literally on Benny Hinn's program teaching that very thing.

Very recently now, it's on his Twitter timeline.

Within a year ago from right now.

Now when it was recorded, I'm not a hundred percent sure but it's it's on his Twitter timeline right now.

I just got through watching it a few minutes before we we started recording this so.

So it's gonna be interesting to see how some of it Benny Hinn's friends react to this.

But Benny Hinn is has not repented we'll see how long this last.

Now I will say he has gone more in depth in his Confession this time that

I've ever seen him do it before he's.

He's made overtures of confessing and repenting on this issue before but this is a most in

-depth.

I've heard him Go into it but

It's not real repentance Andrew because real repentance bears fruit.

There is fruit in keeping with repentance and what Benny Hinn as you kind of hinted at a minute ago has not done

among other things that we'll talk about.

He has not come forward and said, you know, I've been lying to you for four decades.

I've been lying to you.

I I I Have not.

God has not spoken to me all these thousands of times.

That I told you he was I lied about that or at least say that he was deceived.

Right, maybe he was deceived.

That's what it was the Lord.

I think you and I if he was deceived we'll see.

I mean.

This brings up a whole other issue because Benny Hinn is constantly claiming things like He's getting constantly

gets words of knowledge.

Just in this mode in his most recent Healing crusade in

his most recent one.

He's getting words of knowledge about people in the studio audience.

And this is classic Benny Hinn.

He'll point up to someone and he'll say dear lady dear lady up there you you have you have a

problem in your shoulder and So God is giving him this information in real time.

So he's doing this right now that he's doing this right now so

if God can give him words of knowledge in real time about people in the studio

audience and God speaks to him all the time.

How is it that God did not bother to say at some point in the last four

decades?

Benny What you're teaching isn't right.

So we're to believe that God will give him words of knowledge about some ladies shoulder

problem up in the you know 12th row in the studio audience and God will give him words of knowledge

about this about that and you know God just talks to him all the time, but has not apparently

bothered or thought it necessary to give him a word of knowledge about Apparently

false teaching that he's been teaching for four decades.

How does that work?

Well, and it's kind of interesting because we know that it's not a word of knowledge.

He's getting he's he's getting people handing.

You know, they go through a Screening process so he knows exactly where people are sitting and

what they're wearing and different things like that.

So I I think that the whole claim that they try to make what is I I'm seeing someone

wearing a red shirt.

Whatever it is.

They he already has that information.

Yeah, there is.

That yeah, that would make it lying not deception.

Yeah, I mean he lies as easily as you and I breathe and

That's not an exaggeration.

I mean he he is the consummate liar.

A lot of what these people do whether it's Benny Hinn or someone like him.

Some of these people that you see get up on stage or plants some of them are.

A lot of it though is just cold reading and you can see.

Psychics do this all the time.

Jonathan Edwards does it not.

Not the Puritan Jonathan Edwards not our job.

But you know the the psychic Jonathan Edwards.

He he does this all all the time.

He'll go up, you know, and it's it's cold readings.

Sylvia Brown used to do it.

She's dead now, but.

The these faith healers like Benny Hinn and others they do the same thing.

These psychics do they just cloak it in a little bit of Christian lingo.

So.

Yeah, so what I want to ask you after this break is you know He tried to do a secondary message

to try to say that hey.

This is a real change in my heart.

I even corrected this problem.

I think he immediately got called out and He's he's doing even more damage and troll now.

I want to ask you that when we get back whether you think that secondary message that he did Basically trying to say

that what we understood was was not what was actually happening.

Do you think that that is legitimate?

So that want to talk about that right after this break?

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Justin he gave this video this message on Facebook where he said he had a real change of heart

that the change of heart Is very real he said.

Are you not believing that?

He cleaned up his act enough.

Because I I have my views on this, but I want to first see do you think that that's not the legitimate.

Not a not a real heart change.

No, no, it's not a heart change at all and and I can definitively Prove that

people say oh, how do you know you can't look into his heart?

Well, no, I can't look into his heart, but I can look into the Bible and I can look

at what repentance looks like as defined by the Bible.

Repentance is not just saying I was wrong.

Repentance is not just saying oops.

I made a mistake.

I was wrong.

Repentance bears fruit.

John the Baptist Matthew chapter 3 therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

Acts chapter 19.

The Apostle Paul speaking to King Agrippa he said so King Agrippa I kept

declaring that all men everywhere should should repent and Turn to God performing deeds

appropriate to Repentance.

That doesn't mean we perform deeds in order to repent, but when God grants repentance Initial repentance unto

salvation, which is what Benny needs right now.

It does Result in Deeds appropriate to repentance bearing good

fruit.

In listening to the interview that Benny Hinn did with Stephen Strang and by the way.

This raises another problem with Stephen Strang in charisma magazine.

Stephen Strang the editor of charisma magazine has known Benny Hinn by his own admission since the 1970s

before Benny Hinn even got married.

Well Stephen Strang knows Benny Hinn really well knows what he's been doing for the last 40 years.

And yet he's been friends with Benny Hinn through the entire 40 years of his

deception and lies doesn't speak very well Stephen Strang but

Anyway back to the point is that if Benny Hinn was truly repentant

Then that would be bearing fruit.

Now remember this isn't according to Benny Hinn Something that he came to just

yesterday.

He said his heart changed on this beginning two years ago.

Simply by reading the Bible.

Well Maybe he should spend a little time reading Luke chapter 19 in

his Bible.

Zacchaeus.

Zacchaeus tax collector.

Who had exploited all of the people in his you know under his purview?

When he was Confronted by Christ Christ met him and he was broken.

He was given a godly sorrow per second Corinthians 7 over over his sin it resulted in bearing fruit.

And what did Zacchaeus say.

Well, let's go to the text.

Zacchaeus Luke chapter 19.

He hurried came down received him Christ gladly when he saw it.

They all began to grumble saying he has gone to be the guest of a man who is a sinner.

Zacchaeus stopped and said to the Lord behold Lord half of my possessions

I will give to the poor and if I have defrauded anyone of anything I will give back four

times as much.

That's what repentance looks like bears fruit.

Zacchaeus said half of what I own I'll give to the poor and if I've defrauded anyone I'll repay him four

times as much as what I stole from.

Now I will.

I'm not unreasonable.

It is not possible for Benny Hinn to repay the untold

Hundreds of thousands indeed Millions of people

he has defrauded Over the last 40 years.

There's he couldn't do it if he wanted to.

If he were to pay back four times as much all of all of the money that he's defrauded.

People for the last four years he can pay down the national debt.

So it's it's not possible for Benny Hinn to do that.

But what he could do and what he should do Is if he's truly repentant.

If let's just say Benny Hinn.

Let's say he's just now come to saving faith in Christ.

If that is what's happened.

Then what he should be doing right now is Confessing that

he has lied to people for 40 years.

Confessing that he has lied about major events in his own life and ministry he should

confess that all of the Thousands and thousands of times that he claims God

has spoken to him.

God has in fact not spoken to him.

He'll confess to that.

He'll confess that all of the people that he claims were healed up on his platform.

And all these miracle crusades that he's done for the last 40 years.

He would confess that none of these people were healed.

He knows they weren't.

He should confess that you should Confess I lied to you.

I knew these people weren't healed.

I said that they were.

I lied to you.

I told you that I checked up with their doctors my team checked up with the doctors.

We don't ever do that.

I lied about that too.

So he should confess to all of these lies.

He should Empty his ministry coffers.

Take every cent that his ministry has.

Every dime in the bank every piece of property.

He has Sell that give every cent of it to doctrinally

sound ministries.

He should join a doctrinally sound Church.

Sit in the pew submit himself to biblical teaching by

biblically qualified elders.

And Sit there and learn

for years and years and years and I would say In all likelihood never preach again.

Theoretically theoretically if he genuinely did get saved at some point.

Theoretically years and years down the road.

Maybe maybe.

But but he would have to he would have to bear some real fruit in keeping with repentance.

He has deceived People lied to people he has.

Andrew Benny Hinn has cost people their lives.

He has told people That they were healed when he knew they weren't.

Told him that they were healed.

Told him that their sickness will never come back.

Told him Not to listen to the doctors.

And by the way I've got video of him saying that to a pregnant woman telling just from a year

ago just from one year ago.

Telling her the doctors are wrong.

Don't listen to your doctor.

People think he's hearing from God.

They take his advice and They don't go to their doctor or they do stop taking their medicine because if they

take their medicine.

That's a sure sign that you lack faith.

And so in a you know, you know in an effort to not to betray any lack of faith.

Sick people stop taking their medicine and a lot of these people die.

It's a big you need to confess to all of this shut everything down shut your ministry down empty your coffers.

And and go work.

Go work at Walmart well Here's here be what I and I was you you went right to a text that I was

thinking of going to which is that.

Because that's the one that I think everyone's bringing up because that's the clearest example.

But let's take a real -life example.

Right of someone in his own family.

What was the response when Kasti Hinn got saved?

When Kasti Hinn got saved and recognized everything he had been teaching was wrong.

He repented.

What did he do?

He confronted the false teaching called it out wrote a book on it and

You know it had the effect that his family wouldn't talk to him or upset with him things like that.

Now we don't see at least yet Benny Hinn publicly naming names.

Saying that people are not not saved because of false teaching or Saying what

they're doing is false teaching and you brought this out earlier.

He's worried about his Friendships.

Well, that's not what you see was that case.

That's not what you see with Kasti Hinn that's not what you see with any believer a genuine believer is concerned about what God thinks

first and foremost and what people think second and so This is the big issue

that I see with him is even though I think he's doing this video You mentioned and I know for

folks who are watching or listening Justin is going to be putting out a video this week giving a lot

more evidence to support the arguments He's making so you hear Benny Hinn in his own words.

But I Find it hard to believe that this is genuine because a

as you said Justin this isn't the first time he's done it.

He's done this in the past several times.

I know you have some video clips that you're gonna be able to provide for folks where he does that I

Kind of think that it seems and I don't know his heart.

I don't know the motivations, but it seems like there's times in his Ministry

if you want to call it that that he feels the need to kind of repent pretend to repent and

This I don't know.

Maybe it's because the FBI has been investigating him and there's some Reason he thinks this will benefit him

maybe but for anyone who's following Benny Hinn if

He goes back to teaching prosperity Then Even no matter

what either way He's a false teacher.

I mean, that's the ultimate proof right there and the fact that he's done this in the past several times.

Now this may be the most clear.

But I still didn't see the specifics that I think someone that has genuine faith would do.

I mean if someone has genuine Repentance they're gonna be naming.

I was wrong when I did this I said this and this this they wouldn't give the generalities that he did even though he's

more specific here.

But the fact that he says this is of the Lord that this is everything he that he taught was

false.

Now he's saying this is true when he goes back to teaching what he said was false.

Then we have no other choice but to conclude that he is a false teacher on

One of them because they're mutually exclusive.

I mean, is there a way out of it for him?

No, no, there is no way out of it.

And I don't think Benny Hinn had the foresight or the biblical knowledge.

Ultimately, he doesn't have the the regeneration that he needs to to understand the

corner that he has painted himself.

Into he is theologically he has painted himself into quite the teeny tiny corner here.

And so.

Yeah, we will know.

Not only we will know that if if Benny Hinn goes back at some point later down the road year or two or whatever

from.

Now if he goes back to preaching Prosperity theology will know that he hasn't repented.

No if he go if he preaches at all.

From this point forward.

We know he hasn't repented if he preaches at all.

If he ever gets behind the pulpit again.

For it from this point forward he should he should not be teaching anything.

Anything.

If he was truly repentant, he would be so overwhelmed by the the burden of

Of the weight of his sin the the gravity of what he has done for 40

years.

Not only exploiting poor and sick and desperate people for money.

Not only exploiting the widows for personal financial gain.

Not only giving sick people false hope.

Not only Ripping the heart out and Andrew.

I've been to these things.

I know what goes on at these Crusades.

I've talked to the people in the wheelchairs.

I've talked to the people on the stretchers.

Literally, I've seen stretchers at Benny Hinn Crusades before.

I've talked to the people lying on the floor on a blanket.

So sick with cancer, they can't even lift their heads.

I've seen these people.

I've talked to them.

I've talked to the poor mother in in Oklahoma City that Benny Hinn did a crusade and her

she was there with her little Little boy in her.

I can't remember the name of the condition right now.

But her boy was born with only a brain stem.

Just a stem not the just a stem just enough to keep his heart beating in his lungs

breathing and I've talked to.

I've talked to her.

I've talked to people like this and they're so Desperate this poor mother so desperate for her little boy to

be healed and she gave Benny Hinn money.

He has no idea what he's done to people.

He has no idea how many Thousands if not millions of lives he has

wrecked and that's not the worst of it.

That's not the worst of it.

The worst of it is The injury that he has done to the gospel of

Jesus Christ For 40 years.

He has spread this theological poison all around

the world.

He has brought reproach on the name of Christ if he was truly repentant.

This man would be honestly brought to his knees under the The

weight of what he has done for four decades and the furthest thing from his mind at this

point the furthest thing from his mind Would be picking up a copy of God's Word

and preaching from it.

He's in no place to preach and if he was truly repentant, he would know that.

Well one thing I want folks to hear is the compassion you have because I know a lot of his supporters think that you

just hate Benny Hinn and You're just a hater you you're just the the arguments I'm

sure that many make is that you're just upset because you don't have enough faith to be healed and

Because you have cerebral palsy for people who don't know and the argument would be well, you just didn't have enough faith.

So you're you're upset with him when really it's your faith.

That was lacking.

I hope that people are listening because what you just said has nothing to do with Being upset

with Benny Hinn because of anything that's personal you're upset with Benny Hinn as I am as many

others are because He's he's teaching a falsehood.

That's damning people to hell and he's doing it in the name of Christ.

Then that's in the spiritual realm and has an eternal consequence, but in this physical realm

He's he's living high off the hog on on the last two pennies that people can rub

together and Taking people who are desperate.

Wanting to cling to any kind of hope and he uses that and this is the thing

here are these people they want to cling to any kind of hope they can and That is what he ends

up using.

To build a living off of to get them to say here's the I just want anything I'll give you that little bit of

hope.

It's a complete charade.

It's a fake.

Hope it's a false.

Oh, but I'm gonna give it to you.

So you'll give me money and I could drive my fancy cars and drive and fly in my private planes

that's in a physical realm is disgusting and I want folks to realize this has nothing

to do with a dislike for for Benny Hinn.

I don't know him, but I look at the teaching and The teaching that he teaches is

damn double it leads people to hell.

That's the concern that both Justin and I would have and I know that you're gonna do a video going

into a lot more detail with this and We'll provide the link to that in the show notes.

So if folks if you want to find it just look in the show notes if this airs before the video comes out

I will update the show notes just so folks know.

But in a couple minutes we have left Justin.

Why is it you think that This will last this in this hypothetical.

Maybe you you won't have an answer.

Is there a reason you think he might be doing this if he's not being genuine?

Yeah.

Despite him saying that I he says in the interview with Stephen Strain charisma.

He says I'm not doing this because of my critics he even says I'm not doing it because of my nephew.

I don't believe that.

I believe that.

The interviews that Kostya has done the two books now that he has written Kostya has been very vocal.

I mean, he's been he's been on CNN.

Talking about this it's brought a lot of pressure on Benny Hinn.

The spotlight has been turned on him because people think you know, they're looking at this and they're saying Benny.

This is your own nephew.

This is your flesh and blood it used to work for you and so I don't believe for a second

that Kostya's genuine conversion has not had a huge

impact on him.

But unfortunately this point is it has not changed his heart.

So he is absolutely doing it because of this now.

I'll close with this Andrew.

You're right.

I don't hate Benny Hinn.

People ask me all the time.

Does Benny Hinn know he's a fake?

Yes, he does.

Or is he deceived himself?

Yes, he is.

2nd Timothy chapter 3 verse 13 Paul talks about men who are deceiving and being

deceived.

Both of those dynamics can be at work in the same person Benny Hinn I think perfectly fits that

he is deceiving actively deceiving people and yet he is being deceived himself.

So I would love nothing more.

I would honestly would love nothing more than to see genuine fruit in.

Keeping with genuine repentance from Benny Hinn.

I would love that.

I would love it.

I don't want Benny Hinn to go to hell.

I Don't want him to go to hell at all.

Kostya doesn't want him to go to hell.

Kostya loves his nephew and I'll say I Don't love Benny Hinn

like Kostya does.

But I I can say I don't want the man to go to hell.

I I would I want him to come to genuine saving faith in Christ.

But from what I've seen from what I've heard just two days ago in the charisma interview yesterday, I guess it was.

That hadn't happened yet.

That has when you think don't you think.

If he genuinely repented the first person He would have gone to

is Kostya Hinn his nephew.

If I were he yeah, that's who I would go to.

I mean to me that that seems like the.

The clearest proof that he's he's not genuine in this because

if if his nephew has Repented of the very same thing.

He's claiming.

He's repenting of and has already gone down this path and he is

Come to the same conclusion.

The first one that someone will go to would be someone like that a family member who's already gone

down this path and Say you are right, especially when the person has written two books

On this subject.

So the fact that he hasn't at least that we know of you may know more than I but

as far as I know of.

And neither of them have claimed that they've spoken to each other about this issue.

Mm -hmm and so.

Go ahead.

Yeah, and I was gonna say so.

So if he hasn't that to me is the real proof that he's not repentant.

Yeah, and I don't know for sure If he has or hadn't costing are supposed to talk sometime in the next

couple days.

Tomorrow or Monday, I guess but but I haven't talked to him yet.

So I don't I don't know a hundred percent so we'll see but.

That interview that he did with with charisma Stephen Strang just yesterday.

To me that sealed the deal that that told me he is not genuinely repentant.

That he may have he may have some level of regret.

He may have a guilty conscience.

He probably does.

But a guilty conscience is not repentance.

Guilty conscience is not is not a changed heart.

Judas had a guilty conscience.

And he killed himself and he killed himself.

Sorry.

Yeah, so We have a couple minutes left.

And we have something that you and I want want to talk about after this but.

With folks, but here's here.

Just last question that I had for you is How should people who follow Benny Hinn

Respond now now that he's come out with this.

Should what should their reaction be?

I would hope they would feel betrayed.

I would hope they would feel Like what's going on?

I've been listening to this guy for umpteen years and now he's telling me that staple of His

teaching he was wrong about Maybe I should find somebody who actually knows

what they believe and why they believe it.

So, um, yeah It'll be interesting to see What the fallout is I

I don't know but Again with most of Benny Hinn's followers.

You have to make the assumption and I'm not being judgmental when I'm saying this that

All of Benny Hinn's followers 100 of them are either

Very immature Christians or they're unregenerate themselves.

They cannot be mature believers and and I will say definitively that Benny Hinn has

zero mature believers who listen to him on a regular basis and Believe he's

a sound teacher because if you are a mature believer by definition, you wouldn't be following Benny Hinn.

So So they're either false converts Unregenerate themselves or

they are immature believers and for those who are immature believers who have been listening to Benny Hinn.

It is genuinely my prayer that this would be a wake -up call to them that they would they

would leave word of faith New Apostolic Reformation

IHOP, NAR all this stuff leave it and turn to some Doctrinally sound

teachers some biblically qualified men who who actually are able to teach sound doctrine and refute

those who contradict and and start growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and.

And that would be our prayer for his followers for him.

We don't you mentioned it already.

We don't want to see Benny Hinn die without Christ.

We want to see him repent and come to genuine faith like his nephew and I just think I mean what?

Could happen if God did a work on Benny Hinn's life that he genuinely came to faith and that would be

that would have a ripple effect if he came out the way Kosti did and Started to name

names and to expose things From the inside.

I mean from the very very top that that would really be able to expose things so that the gospel can go

forth.

So yeah, we we pray for that.

So but Let's close out with a couple of minutes that we have left Justin because you and I have

something special Going on in about a year and a half.

We we plan ahead.

Don't we?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever planned anything out a year and a half before so it's I like to

plan ahead.

To plan that far ahead.

We you and I are gonna be going to Israel in March of 2021 along with pastor

Frank Mullis and dr Anthony Sylvester, the four of us will be doing the devotions 13 days.

Going to a lot of a lot a lot of sites in Israel.

And so this is kind of one of these Things that for some people it's a once -in -a -lifetime

opportunity.

Now you've been to Israel you're gonna be returning in 2020.

I've been to Israel, but it was a long time ago.

I was 16 years old.

So I'm not gonna say how long ago because someone's gonna do the math.

Let's say it was a little bit more than 10 years.

We'll just leave it at that and.

Let people guess but 35 years.

Yeah.

That's a pretty good guess but.

Yeah.

So If folks want to join us and and my my encouragement is that this is

going to fill up Quickly now if you're listening to this Live or

shortly after we record we drop this.

We're gonna be having one more week.

So September 7th or up to I think September 14th.

You can get $100 off if you register and put it down payment now.

Now you say $100 is not a whole lot when it costs like 5100 well, what do you get for that?

What you're getting is By Israeli law, you have to have an Israeli guide and you have to pay them

what they what they charge.

So we have an Israeli guide or an Israeli bus bus driver.

All those things have to be there.

It includes your hotel stays.

It includes your breakfast and your dinner.

Basically, everything but lunch is covered.

Including the flight from JFK New York.

Now if you're not in JFK you there's a discount you get and you meet us in Tel Aviv.

So if you want to do that, I think you get a thousand dollars off for you to cover the flight.

But that is something that this is a once -in -a -lifetime opportunity for many people to be able to do

now the reason we've booked it out so far is so you have time to save and.

So if you want to come with us, there are as far as we know right now.

We are limited to 55 slots and that includes the the guide.

So That's not a lot.

We're probably going to fill that quickly.

So I want to encourage you to go to a website to get all the details.

There's a lot of details there and to be able to sign up it is 2021.

Because that's the year that we're going to go 2021israeltrip .com.

That's 2021.

2021israeltrip .com and if you go to there, you can get all the details you can

Register there's a form you fill out.

I filled it out.

And you put everything in so you could put your down payment if you do put the down payment.

That's like five hundred dollars down.

You don't have to pay it all right now.

There's a payment plan Set up, but if you pay it now and something happens, you can't make it

you get most of that back I think all but uh, 125 I think is non -refundable.

So My encouragement to you is save your spot.

There's going to be a lot of people that we're going to fill this up.

And then we're going to end up having people on a waiting list.

So my encouragement is go to 2021israeltrip .com.

So you could join Justin Dr. Silvestro, Pastor Mullis and myself Striving

fraternities is putting this together and we're we're excited to be able to take people to go

to the very places that we read in scripture and see the very

Place where some of these things happen.

We're going to go to the very mount where christ preached the sermon on the mount in Matthew

7 uh 5 to 7.

It's going to be a neat experience to actually be there.

I've been on that mount.

I've sat there and thought about that that sermon.

Well, we're actually going to read through that sermon justin.

You've been to israel recently.

How do you think that has impacted you and others especially as far as?

When we come to reading the scriptures.

Well, I always uh, I have always heard from people.

Oh, you've got to go to israel.

It'll really change how you read the bible and and it'll bring it alive.

I'm, i'm not sure it's changed the way I read it as far as like it hasn't changed my hermeneutics or anything.

But I tell you what andrew it it for certain Brings things alive.

I mean, uh, it it is, uh, it is a surreal experience to go and

be where.

Be where david fought goliath to go to the pool of bethesda.

Uh to go to the pool of siloam to to go.

Um uh to go to capernum, you know to to go to I mean

all these places that you read about in the new testament it is, uh.

You know and as I go to these I went to these different places, you know I'm, just i'm replaying everything in my mind.

I'm opening up my bible and i'm like Wow.

That this happened right here.

I mean you can see it.

You can touch it.

You can I mean it just it really is it does bring.

Um, uh, It does just kind of bring things to life if you will.

I mean it's uh.

And and now when I go and I read the new testament I really read about jesus Healing at the pool of

bethesda.

I think man i've seen that i've seen that I know where he did it I know what it looks like you can uh, it's just uh.

It's a surreal experience.

It really is.

Uh, I would Strongly strongly encourage people if you're able to do it Um do it

you you won't regret it.

I promise you that uh, it exceeded my expectations.

So Uh, i'm eager to get back there so i'm looking forward to it and so yeah, lord

willing as as long as the lord gives me another year and a half of life and uh, Assuming the rapture doesn't happen

between now and then.

I look forward to going.

But if the rapture happens i'm perfectly fine with going there first.

Yeah I'll wait for the new jerusalem.

That's okay with me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah the new one will be even better.

Yeah, so folks go to 2021 Israel trip .com get all the

details.

Please come and join us.

It is going to be Really great experience.

We hope for everybody.

Uh, it is going to fill up so don't don't think oh I have plenty of time.

Because a lot of people are going to think that's a lot of time.

They have time to think about it.

You don't know what's going to happen in a year and a half.

We gave a year and a half so you have a lot of time to save for it, but you need to reserve your spot

Early, so go to 2021 Israel trip .com.

And there you're going to get all the details.

So with that justin.

I want to thank you for coming on.

We're gonna we're going to look forward to this video that you're going to be putting out soon and Uh

exposing everything that we've talked about in much more detail.

I'm looking forward to that.

I know that there'll be a lot of people that'll be blessed by that.

So I appreciate you coming on and helping us because you you really are an expert in this area

and you know the Benny Hinn very very well and we all learn and gleam from that

knowledge when you when you speak and I hope that folks see that.

You don't speak from a hatred for Benny Hinn you speak from a heart of compassion for where he's going to spend

eternity.

Yeah Yeah, I I do hate what he's done.

I I hate what he's done.

I hate his ministry.

Um, but I don't hate him.

And uh, and I I do pray I do pray that the the lord would be gracious and and grant him

repentance unto salvation.

And we thank you for coming on justin and Next until next week.

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