February 11, 2019 Show with Audrey Werner on “Alfred Kinsey: Sexual Deviate & Architect of the Sex Education Curriculum For America’s Children”

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This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 11th day of February 2019 and I am so delighted today that we have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Audrey Werner.

She is a guest subsequent to the urging of a faithful listener of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in Texas, Maggie Conley, and we thank

Maggie for making such an excellent recommendation. Audrey Werner is

Dean of Life Issues and Professor at Masters International University of Divinity, President and Founder of the

Matthew 18 Group, a Purity Paradigm for our Homes, Churches and Nation, a former sex educator and STD, which is

Sexually Transmitted Disease, clinic nurse, a Purity Speaker for the

Life Talk Crisis Pregnancy Center, National Speaker for RSVP America, and Sex Education Expert for the

American Academy of Biblical Counselors. Today we are going to be addressing Alfred Kinsey, Sexual Deviant and Architect of the

Sex Education Curriculum for America's Children and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Audrey Werner.

Thank you Chris, thanks for having me on, it's an honor and a privilege. Oh, it's wonderful to have you on, especially on this very vital topic that many of our listeners may be totally unaware of some of this disturbing information that we're going to be presenting today.

First of all, before we go into the subject at hand, tell us about the

Masters International University of Divinity. Masters International University of Divinity is one of the first Christian online colleges that came into existence.

They're coming up on celebrating their 20th year. We have 3 ,000 students right now that are enrolled, mainly pastors, biblical counselors, crisis pregnancy staff, from all over the world.

And I have the honor and the privilege to teach one of my courses, it's called Restoring Biblical Purity in the

Church. So I have spoken across the country and one of my wishes was to be able to share this material on Christian campuses, because many

Christian campuses are covering human sexuality but they're meshing scripture with, unfortunately, the false science and we'll get into that I know more today on Alfred Kinsey.

And so someone had suggested I check out Masters and it turns out the president had been praying for a course just like that for over a year.

So it totally got orchestrated and wonderful online college. And tell us about the

Matthew 18 group. Okay, the Matthew 18 group is an organization that I started.

It's an offshoot of the RSVP America campaign, which stands for Restoring Social Virtue and Purity to America.

It was a campaign that began in the early 1990s and it went until 2004.

And during that time, Eunice Ray was the founder, along with her husband,

Colonel Ron Ray, who was the former assistant to the Secretary of Defense under the Reagan administration. And they found that Kinsey's science was fraudulent, so they wanted to prove that.

And to also show that a majority of our laws in the sex offense section, laws that made abortion legal, pornography legal, sex education legal, were all based on Kinsey's science.

So through all of that, they went to the different legislators and went state to state, went to D .C.,

and tried to wake up legislators to that fact. So there's now published materials out on that, and the proof is out there.

It's just a matter of people acting on that truth. Well, thank you so much for being of such invaluable service to not only the body of Christ, but to the world.

And, well, before we go into the theme, typically when I have a first -time guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, I have them provide a summary of their salvation testimony, what type of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what providential circumstances did

God raise up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them. And I know that you were raised in a

Lutheran home, but I know also that there was a period in your life where you did not take

Christ, his gospel, and his word as seriously as you do now. So why don't you tell us about that?

Yeah, I was raised in a Lutheran home. I went to Lutheran schools, Lutheran grade school,

Lutheran high school. Of course, I was baptized as an infant, went through confirmation in my junior high years, and that's where we, you know, instead of as infants, we can't affirm our faith.

So during confirmation, we can affirm our faith. So I knew all about God, I knew about the

Bible, but I guess I had never really read it intently, you know, once I went on to college, and that kind of went by the wayside.

And it wasn't until I did marry a Lutheran first -grade school teacher, and he was the youth director at the church where I was attending, and we had a bump in our marriage.

We had a separation that occurred a couple of years into our marriage, and it was a huge wake -up call for me.

And God put a wonderful, older, wiser woman in my path who was a, actually was the first -grade school teacher at the

Lutheran school where I had attended, and she really brought me to educate me on spiritual warfare.

And just through that, the power of prayer, she had a prayer group, and so I was surrounded by some

Christian ladies, and just had face -to -face experience with God, and was on fire for him.

So I've been a fighter for truth. I have, as a matter of fact, my husband and I have said there's no hopeless marriage, because we know

God is a God of hope. And so, anyway, through that, I have stood for truth.

And that's kind of where this ministry that Matthew 18 began, was in a

Lutheran church, in a Lutheran church school, where my oldest son was in kindergarten and was about to enter that Lutheran school, which happened to have been the

Lutheran school I had attended. And through that, found that Kinsey was in the

Lutheran sex ed. So that began the ministry of sitting with Eunice Ray, and Eunice saying, okay,

RSVP America has been going into the legislators. We need a group that's going to wake up the church, and have it be based on Matthew 18, 15 to 17, which is if your brother's sitting, you go to them.

If they don't listen, you take someone else, and if that doesn't work, you go take it to the church. Well, what if the entire body of Christ is in error?

That's an overwhelming, daunting task. But again, God can use the fool, and He usually uses the weak and the small.

So here I am, and that's what my ministry is about, is waking up the church to the reliance of Kinsey Science and some of our teaching.

Now, I know that there is a broad spectrum of belief amongst those who profess to be

Lutheran. You have the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, you have the Wisconsin Synod, and other groups that are more conservative and biblically based.

And scripturally orthodox. Then you have groups that I would consider apostate, totally outside the realm of biblical

Christendom. I'm not saying that everyone in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America is in that category, but I'm convinced many are.

So I was just curious where you are coming from as far as the Lutheran denomination. Yeah, I'm coming from one of the larger ones, the

Missouri Synod. Lutheran, yes. Great. But you were saying just a moment ago that this

Kinsey -based curriculum was existing in the Lutheran Church schools. Which denomination?

Well, this was actually, this is the, it's called the Learning About Sex Series, and it was in the

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Really? Everyone developed it, yes. And it was developed in the late 1960s.

And again, I preface this with, and when I speak, wherever I speak,

I always preface this with, Kinsey is in all denominations. It's not just the Lutheran Church.

You will find his teachings in many of the writings of many, you know, again, going back to the bibliographies in our books and in our sex education series, finding out on whose authority are people standing on.

So for the Learning About Sex Series, I went back to the older writings.

There's a book called Sex and the Church that was written in early 1960s, and in that started to, the

Lutheran pastors were talking about Kinsey science, and they said, you know, it is kind of controversial, but because it is so large, we can't ignore the data.

So that became the foundation for the Learning About Sex Series, which then came out in 1967, and in the parent book, they even quote

Alfred Kinsey's statistics directly. So I was kind of alarmed and shocked at that.

They also quote Alan Guttmacher from the Guttmacher Institute, who was the former medical director of Planned Parenthood, as well as Lester Kirkendall, who was the president of the

American Human Society. And even in the teen book, which was called

Life Can Be Sexual, they encouraged the youth to read a book by Hugh Hefner. What?

Oh, sorry for laughing, but that is mind -boggling. I know. Well, before we go any further with our live interview,

I want to air, play the audio of a meeting that was held on January 16th in Texas.

It was a legislative briefing for the Texas Republican state representatives and their staffs, and you spoke there, and I'm going to play the audio of your entire presentation, which is about 15 minutes.

It's such an important presentation that I didn't want to merely rely upon my memory, which is failing me more and more the older I grow.

It will give your listeners a good background on Alfred Kinsey and what's the problem.

So here is that presentation. So sit back, absorb the information, take notes, and we will be back with our live discussion momentarily.

It's ironic that 20 and a half years ago, I was serving on a curriculum review committee on sex education in a

Lutheran school. And I had to get up for 15 minutes and talk about why I thought their

Christian sex ed program was bad and had a bad foundation. And little did

I know, 20 and a half years later, that I would be standing up here to do 15 minutes to you, and I'm very honored by that.

Let me share with you, I do not have my slides in front of me right now, so I will kind of look up inside.

They're back home. But I can kind of do this in my sleep. My background is,

I was a sex educator for five years. It was through the public health department. We were school nurses.

So as part of our job, we went in and talked to the kids about sex. We were told, parents aren't doing their jobs.

You've got to go in there and do it for them. I thought, okay, at that point, I was newly married, didn't have any children.

And I thought, I could do this. I can help out parents. And they said, you're going to hear this lie out there that if you go and talk to kids about sex, that you're going to increase the pregnancy rate and the

STD rate. And that's just simply not true. So I thought, okay, I'm going to do this. So I did that for five years.

And then we were blessed with our first child. Pardon me? Yeah, I can see it. I was blessed with our first child, and I wanted to work still for the health department, but I wanted to work part -time.

Well, the only part -time job available was working in the STD clinic. I thought, I really don't want to do genital exams on people.

Okay, if that's getting me to stay home with my baby and still work at the health department, I'll do it. So I did it.

And it's as if the Lord said, I want you to see the fruit of your labor. And that is where my eyes were opened.

This is what I viewed. We were talking about what happened. And this is my view from an STD nurse.

And I'm going to call it sexually transmitted disease because we changed it to infection because, gosh, everybody gets infections.

And you can just put a Band -Aid on that, and that's not a problem. Whereas a disease is a problem. And we need to address it.

So what I saw was when I started in 1991, typical age of first sexual contact would have been 16 or 17.

That was very, very common. By the time I left in 1999, it was not uncommon to hear 10 years old being first sexual contact.

Now, I'm not saying that's consensual, but that was not uncommon. Something else that we, believe it or not, back in 1991, there still was shame and guilt associated with having sex outside of marriage.

And then by 1999, no shame and guilt whatsoever. The other thing we noticed, very interesting, in the mid -1990s, we saw date rape explode.

And I thought, where is this coming from? Am I the only nurse that's seeing this? And all the other nurses said, no, we're seeing this.

Well, I saw a documentary on pornography about 10 years later. And during the Clinton administration, they had taken all the restrictions off the porn industry, and that's the first time we saw the first big explosion in pornography.

And I know some states are passing where it's a public health crisis. I can tell you from the

STD nurse perspective, we saw the direct correlation between pornography exposure and date rape.

There is a direct correlation between them. The other thing that we did was, of course, as an

AIDS counselor, I was the one who had to tell somebody for the first time that they were HIV positive. Now, obviously, most of the time

I did that with gay men. But there were a few times when, toward 1999, we were telling teen girls that they were

HIV positive. Something that we do in the STD clinic is, if there's an alleged rapist, he is ordered by the judge to come in and get an

HIV test. So we would then have to test him. Now, HIV results are so confidential, you cannot share that with their partner, anyone else.

This is the one time, if they're caught, if they're found guilty of that crime, you can share those results with the victim.

Now, when we started this, we were doing this test on adult men. By the time I left, and I know you had talked about children raping children, we were doing this test on 10 -year -old boys who had raped 2 - and 4 -year -old girls.

And clearly we saw there's a problem. It's getting worse. And I think the thing for my husband was a youth pastor, and he was dealing with the teenagers as well.

And I think the thing that bothered both of us was, there was no difference between the Christian kid and the non -Christian kid.

Something's going on. So, as a researcher, I wanted to know, why is this not getting better?

Why is this getting worse? So, I want you to look at these graphs. This is STD rates, gonorrhea, ages 10 to 14.

You're going to notice, across the board, it's very, very low. Look at the years there.

Something happened in 62, 63, 64, and then we see an explosion.

This is national statistics, by the way. Go to the next slide. Birth rates to unwed girls, 15 to 19 years old.

Again, 62, 63, 64. Something happened in that time.

Next slide. Pregnancies to unwed girls under the age of 15. And again, when we factor in abortion becoming legal, and factor in that statistic as well, we see an explosion of STDs and pregnancy.

And then what happened to the American family after that? It started to fall apart. There's a direct correlation between that.

And as you can see, what I was seeing in the 90s was true. It was getting worse.

Go to the next slide. My oldest son serves in the U .S. Coast Guard. He's in a remote place in Alaska, and he just had our very first grandchild.

Got married a year and a half ago, or two years ago, and now we have our new grandchild. Of course, as a grandma,

I have to get up to Alaska and see. And so in a flight, and of course, in a remote area, it takes several hours to get up there.

So I was half awake. We'd been flying all night. We're coming out of Seattle, and we finally come above the clouds.

And I go, wow! I said, that has got to be a huge mountain. We're just seeing the tip of that mountain, but that's got to be a huge mountain.

Of course, duh, it's Mount St. Helens is what I saw, but I was not awake enough to figure out what it was at first.

That's what it's like with sex education. I started to want to know, what is the root? What is behind?

What happened in 62, 63, 64? What, have we always had sex ed? Who developed it?

What was the intent behind sex education? So that's what this is like looking at.

You're looking at a huge mountain. We're just giving you the tip. And I now teach courses to pastors, biblical counselors, crisis pregnancy staff all over the world on that big mountain.

So let's look historically. Prior to 1948, sex knowledge was never important for kids, ever.

If you look to the theorists, Piaget, Manslow, Skinner, you'll see that they looked at individual and group skills such as learning to reason, submitting to authority, moral thinking, task achievement, self -actualization, mutual cooperation, and social interaction were child's major developmental objectives.

We never, ever thought of talking to kids about sex. Go to the next slide. Historically, and I bought a lot of antique books too because I want to know, what did they do back then?

I found a lot of books. There was one, How Shall I Tell My Child? And it was written in 1912. Parents were the primary educators.

When they talked about God's life process, they talked about it in a very indirect, modest way.

That's why you hear the flowers, the birds, and the bees. That's what they used to talk to their kids. Or if you were on the farm, of course, you saw the farm animals.

But it was always in an indirect way. It was never done in a graphic, upfront way. Actually, if you look to the state laws, it was considered molesting a minor with immoral intent to even mention the word sexual intercourse in the classroom up to the age of 21.

We've come a long way, maybe, in such a short, short period of time. So what changed all of this?

What happened? I found a man by the name of Alfred Kinsey.

He was a catalyst for the sex education that we now have in our schools today.

Well, who was this guy? I had heard about him in nursing school. I had heard the phrase, children are sexual from birth.

That came from this guy. He was a zoologist at Indiana University. He studied the sexual behavior of a bull wasp.

The media portrayed him as a happily married man. But in actuality, with biographies that have come out from his own associates, he was a homosexual sadomasochist.

And he advocated for all sexual rights. He believed infants should be able to have sex as well as the elderly all through.

He studied, he published his first, he did sex research and he published his studies in 1948.

He did sexual behavior in the human male. This is in every university. This is in every library as if it was gospel truth.

But if you look closely at his data for the male data, he went into the prisons and he interviewed the most sexually deviant criminal.

And he said, this is a typical sexual behavior of the American male. For the females, he went and interviewed prostitutes if they lived with a man for more than a year.

He said this was a typical sexual behavior of the American married female. Now for the child data, back it up for one second.

For the children's data, I'll show that in the next slide. But he was, it's important that you understand, he was the first one to say children are sexual from birth, meaning infancy.

Go to the next slide. And then click it again. The table should come up.

Okay, so I said, okay, Lord, I know nothing about Kinsey. And the

Lord said, okay, you want Kinsey? I'm going to give you the number one expert in the world. She has testified at the

Supreme Court level, at House of Parliament. She's been all over the world. Dr. Judith Reisman. And she looked at this book as well.

And in the book, I have it right here. It was very interesting carrying this around, trying to hide it. But the printer almost didn't print it because she looked at it horrified.

What this is, is his childhood data. He documented how many orgasms does a child have in a 24 -hour period of time.

And if you look at the ages, we're starting at five months of age, up through 14 years of age.

So you're talking about children who have been raped for a 24 -hour period of time.

That's the foundation of sex ed. That's the foundation of sex ed. Huge to understand that.

And there's one poor child, a four -year -old, who had 26 orgasms in a 24 -hour period of time. So let's go to the next slide because how did he describe that?

Judith found herself on some interesting places. In 1990, she was on the Phil McDonough Show sitting next to Kinsey's associates.

And Phil asked one of his associates about that data. And his associate,

Clarence Tripp, said, oh, no, no. He listened to only pedophiles who were very careful, used stopwatches, knew how to record their thing.

Now, if you look in this book, how does Kinsey describe a child having an orgasm? Sobbing, sometimes with an abundance of tears, especially among younger children, afflicted with extreme trembling, collapse, and sometimes fainting.

Kinsey wrote that the children enjoy the experience, though many fight away the partner, not the perpetrator, the partner.

This is the foundation of sex education. Next slide. So, remember 62, 63, 64.

What happened in the Supreme Court case? 1962, real quick. Prayer removed from school. 1963, what happened?

Bible reading. 1964, this is by no accident, people. 1964,

SECIS, which was the Sex Information Education Council of the United States, which was the official beginning of sex education, was launched at the

Kinsey Institute at Indiana University. The objective was to teach Kinsey's ideology, because remember, children are sexual from birth, so we're going to teach them how to handle their sexuality.

The first leader for SECIS was Dr. Mary Calderone. Guess what? Who was she? She was the medical director of Planned Parenthood.

You've heard that name a lot today. Then the initial seed money, guess where that came from? Hugh Hefner gave the initial seed money with many people that were serving on the curriculum boards for sex education were employed by Penthouse Forum.

Gosh, why would the largest abortion industry and pornography industry want to be at the heart of sex education for our children?

Do they make money off of that? Absolutely. So, SECIS leaders supported humanism, communism, and eugenics, and they promoted their ideas through sex education.

The technique that they used was called SAR, or sexual attitude restructuring, which again, instead of the flower, the birds, and the bees, we're going to take them to the axed and the genitals, and it's gone way beyond that.

Next slide. So, we had to get all the sex... I had to go through training to be able to teach sex education in the schools, and the training had to be standardized.

So, everybody across the country has to have the same training in order to teach sex ed. So, they had to have an organization to start to train.

And that was the American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors, and Therapists. And it was created in 1967 to train everybody to be on the same page.

And this is what their job was, to provide sex information to the sex educator, train him or her in the psychotherapy technique necessary to communicate this knowledge, and to restructure his or her sexual values.

So, to equip him or her to expand their students' tolerance and acceptance of variant sexual practices and lifestyles.

So, again, this was all set up. We've all been lied to and deceived. Next slide.

When the late Alan Guttmacher, he was the... signed on to the Humanist Manifesto, he was the

Planned Parenthood president, and he was asked after Roe vs. Wade, how can we make sure that that Supreme Court decision stays secure?

He answered with two words, sex education. So, in summary, sex education was never designed to prevent

STDs or pregnancy. It was designed to prepare children to have sex with each other, and to have sex with adults.

So, when we look at that, we understand that at the core of sex education is a man who interviewed pedophiles who raped hundreds of children and says no problem, and thinks it's healthy for an infant to have sex with an adult.

We have Planned Parenthood, which is the number one abortion industry in the world, and we have the pornography industry.

Wow. So, I am speaking to one of the planks that was passed at the

Republican convention this last summer. So, I'm asking for the whole enchilada. I'm asking for no sex education in the schools.

Wow, that's some disturbing stuff. Um, to say the least.

I have to share with you, Chris, that that was at the Capitol building in Austin, the

Texas Capitol building. And in that hearing room, outside of our hearing room, we were the only hearing room that had police presence.

Wow. Because Planned Parenthood had to not be inside, and they were tweeting live what we were sharing.

And I love what they said about me. They said, new speaker wants to take us back to 1950.

Gosh, let's look at that. Abortion was not legal. Pornography was not legal.

Sex education was not legal. Gay marriage was not legal. Yeah, I guess I do want to get us back there.

Yeah, praise God. Let's pray that that would happen. But we're going to go to our first break right now.

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And we do have Ted in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who writes, during the pre -recorded lecture, your guest refers to a point in time where they took the restrictions off pornography, after which pornography really took off.

What was this, or should I say, when was this? And what restrictions was she talking about?

You know, that's an interesting question, because I remember years ago, perhaps in the 80s or 90s, watching the

John Ankerberg program, and they were talking about the history of pornography.

And I was shocked, because I had never known, that in the early 20th century, acts of lesbianism and other acts of pornography were permitted in regular cinematography for general consumption by the public.

And it was later on that these restrictions came into place. But if you could answer,

Ted, more specifically. Right, right. And again, this was something that I learned through a documentary that I saw about 10 years later.

But what I was talking about was, in the STD clinic, in the mid -1990s, we saw an explosion of date rape scenarios.

Women coming in who had been raped, been drugged, been raped on date. And so I wondered, why was that happening in the mid -1990s?

And it was about 10 years later that I saw a documentary on pornography. And they talked about, during that time, during the

Clinton administration, in the early 1990s, they had taken restrictions off the porn industry.

So they were able to get out to other places. Now, obviously, today, we have now even a bigger explosion with the internet, which we didn't have in the early 1990s.

So in regards to specifically what those restrictions were, I don't remember.

But I do remember being an STD nurse and seeing, because in pornography, man is the predator and woman is the prey.

And obviously, with easier access to pornography in the early 1990s, our young men were viewing that and were acting out, definitely, on what they were seeing.

And as I mentioned in the speech at the Texas Capitol, I also talked about the fact that many states are now starting to say that pornography is creating a public health crisis.

The, you know, there's a direct correlation between the rape of women and children and the amount of pornography that is out there.

That's why there were restrictions. And that type of media was not easily accessible because they understood that it could be harmful to minors and it could be harmful to women.

Yeah, it's interesting how today, even on cable

TV and sometimes on your regular broadcast channels on television, we can see things that would be considered soft porn years ago.

Now they're just regular images that you see on TV. And it's just amazing the snowball that is rolling down the hill and getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

And even the language that you can hear on regular broadcast networks, the major networks, things that you never would have heard before, like George Carlin's old acts about the,

I think it was the seven words you can't say on TV. That's just so outdated now. It's not even accurate anymore.

But thank you, Ted, from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, for joining us with an excellent question.

We have Sika Lee, who has that unusual name,

Dutch -Canadian name, Sika Lee from Panoka, Alberta, Canada.

He says, thank you for talking on this topic. I think a lot of folks, including my wife and I, are a bit of a loss or are at a bit of a loss as to what to do on this topic.

What an eye -opening clip you played in the beginning. I'm up in Canada. Does Audrey ever do presentations up here or do you know of good resources up here?

Also, I'm wondering what she thinks about how to talk to kids now. If you do, it seems now

I'd want to cover this stuff with them to protect them. But at the same time, we wouldn't want to awake any sleeping dogs, so to speak.

Seems you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. My kids are all eight and under.

God bless you both. Well, there's several issues, several topics. Some involve your ability to speak up in Canada and resources in Canada.

And also, how do we speak to our young children? And he's talking about preteens here. Yes, yes.

Yeah, and you can go to my website, which is Matthew18 .org.

And I do have resources on the website of good materials that you can use with your children.

By the way, do you spell that on the website URL with the Roman numerals like you did other places?

Yeah, I have actually two. You can either go to Matthew18, as in 1 -8 .org,

or you can do Roman numerals. Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah. So, and then the other thing is that I also wrote a book for parents called 10

Tips on How Not to Talk to Your Kids About Sex, which is available on Amazon and Barnes &

Noble. So, that is not only exposing where sex ed came from and the direct graphic approach, but then giving examples of prior to Kenzie, prior to the sexual revolution, prior to sex ed, how did we approach the topic, which was the flowers, the birds, and the bees.

So, I give a lot of examples from antique books on that as well. And of course, it's all about we need to go back to scripture.

I'll tell you, 20 years ago in the Lutheran school where I served on a sex ed curriculum review committee, looking at their sex ed program, parents were, some of the parents were actually didn't want that program in the school.

And so, they were holding meetings in their home. And so, I had one of the books for the second graders.

And I gave the book, I would always pick a father and I would give the book to a father and I would have him, because in the book, it describes sexual intercourse in detail, what goes into what and all of that.

And so, I said, could you read that passage to all of us? And of course, he couldn't read that because modesty's sake, you know, that's very uncomfortable and it's pornographic.

And I said, but understand, this is what we are doing with our children. And there's this huge discomfort that parents have in talking about sex with their kids.

And there's a reason for that, because our children have something that's called moral innocence.

They don't know, unbeknownst or contrary to what Kinsey is saying.

Kinsey is saying they're sexual animals from birth and we should help train them in that. But what

God created children, and we have examples throughout Scripture of, you know, the innocence of children and how much

Jesus loved being around them. And we have this difficulty in talking to our kids about sex.

And I once asked Judith Reisman, who's the expert that has trained me on Alfred Kinsey, and I had said to her,

I said, Judith, why do parents have such a difficult time talking to their kids about sex? And she thought for a moment and she said,

Audrey, when you talk to kids about sex, you sexualize them to themselves, to adults, and to each other.

Hence, that's why they have a difficulty talking about that. And I thought, well, of course. I think what's happening is when parents are really struggling with giving that information to their children, in essence, what they're doing is they're robbing their children of their moral innocence.

They're taking it away from them. And I really believe that's the Holy Spirit inside of us going, warning, don't go down that path.

And that's why we have this discomfort. Whereas, you know, I'm encouraging parents to do what we used to do, which was using the flowers, the birds, and the bees, and using a very modest, indirect way about talking about God's life process.

And in doing that, I've had many parents who have come up to me and said, wow, you know, your book has really helped me.

But it's not my words. It's God's words in the book that are helping them with that process.

So again, we can give information. We don't want our kids to be morally, we don't want them to be naive, but we want them to be moral innocent.

And there is a way of doing that. And there is a way of raising pure kids, even in today's culture.

Thank you. Thank you, Sickle Lee. Continue listening to Iron Trip and Zion Radio up there in Canada and spreading the word in North America and beyond.

I'm sorry I interrupted you. No, I was just answering his other question of,

I've not been to Canada yet. I've been to Montana. Well, I have been to Canada personally.

I've been to Banff, Alberta, Canada. But I would love to go up to that area and speak. And also,

I am a part of a group that is actually an international group called Protect Child Health Coalition.

And there's a website for that as well. Just type in Protect Child Health Coalition. And we do have people up in Canada that are battling sex education.

And I think the thing that's really important, because when I found out all of this many years ago,

I thought, okay, Lord, what can I do? I'm just a mom. And it's just been a matter of trusting

God and praying and looking to Him for guidance and Him opening the doors for me.

So I know, for this gentleman in Canada, I know that God can use you.

It's just a matter of praying and waiting upon the Lord. And He will direct you on what you can be doing in your country to make a difference.

Great. And I want to go over a couple of the primary things that you addressed in your lecture in Austin, Texas.

It was Austin, correct? Yes. First of all, it seems somewhat strange that those that are leftists and considered a part of the sexually progressive movement, sexually liberal movement, et cetera, et cetera, why they would want to change a sexually transmitted disease acronym,

STD, to an STI, sexually transmitted infection. It seems suicidal.

Like, for instance, I'm sure that many people who were rescued in time before their death with the modern medicine that we have that has enabled to prolong the lives of AIDS patients,

I'm sure that they would not want, or should I say, they're glad,

I'm assuming, that there was no candy -coated way of expressing this crisis in America, this very deadly disease.

Although, I know that they definitely blurred the uniqueness of this disease amongst the homosexual community, even though I know that, especially today, this is rampant crossing sexual proclivities.

You know, you have heterosexuals and so on with this disease, and especially in Africa. But why on earth do people want a sexually transmitted disease to be referred to as an infection?

Well, it's not just those words. It's other words that have been changed. And I like what

Eunice Ray said to me once. She said, Audrey, she said, when we soften the words, we soften the sin.

And if you think about it, we don't say fornication in the church. You know, it's now everybody's living together.

You wouldn't even bring up the word fornication, because that's just too condemning. You wouldn't say sodomy.

Today, it's called homosexuality, but actually, the Supreme Court, it's defined as oral sex and anal sex, which

I can tell you a whole host of Christian books that endorse it in Christian marriages. And Colonel Ray said, that's why we lost the sodomy case,

Lawrence v. Custis, in 2003, wasn't because of the gay people who wanted sodomy legal, but the

Christian couples who said, no, no, we can commit that, but you gay people can't. So again, we are softening the words because that softens the sin.

So that's just another example of that. And we have to go back, unfortunately,

I think that we should go back to be a little bit more clear on the monster that Alfred Kinsey was.

I'm assuming what you were discussing about the numbers and the details and the data that he developed in regard to young children, even prepubescent children and orgasms, was because either he or one of his staff members were literally having some kind of sexual contact with these babies and young children.

Yes, his data, he relied upon a man by the name of Rex King, who had raped over 900 children.

I believe he lived in the Arizona area. There was another gentleman, a Nazi, and his name is escaping me, over in the

Nazi camps during World War II, who was raping children and sending that, you know, raping the

Jewish children or else they went to the furnaces. So yeah, I mean, the monster and the evil is very, very deep.

So in other words, you're talking about these were pedophiles raping children before the experiments, that he actually made use of them because of their proclivity, because of their sickening evil.

Yes, exactly. Wow, wow. That is, that is very nightmarish.

We have, let's see here, we have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who asks, did you ever see the autobiographical, actually this should be biographical, biographical movie about Alfred Kinsey starring

Liam Neeson. I was wondering if it was accurate. Yes, as a matter of fact,

I served on, when that movie was going to come out, Judith Reisman had written the director and written

Liam Neeson and said, please don't do this. I'll tell you why I think that that movie came out, and no, that movie was not accurate because it did kind of lionize him as being a pioneer and didn't really show the evil, didn't show anything about the pedophile part of his data.

Yeah, just described it as the verbal recollections of prisoners who were pedophiles from what

I remember. There was no, what you talked about, having actual pedophiles involved in sexual manipulation of babies and children, that was not in there.

No, no, and again, it just, it created sympathy for him, and I will tell you, there is something accurate that you can watch on that's called

Kinsey's Pedophiles, and that was a documentary that was done by Yorkshire Television, and it has been banned from the

U .S. Airwaves. Oh, wow. Yeah, that would be much more accurate. You can find it on YouTube, and I think they spell pedophiles different than we do, but you can just type that in, and it'll come up, and it's several clips because, obviously, it's a lengthy documentary, but getting back to the movie,

I did serve on a committee that focused on a family development because they were concerned that that movie was going to come out and create a lot of lies.

Now, the good thing was the movie was kind of a flop, and not a lot of people saw it, but I will tell you, that movie came out in 2004, and now remember what

I said. RSVP America had a campaign where they were exposing the lies behind Kinsey and Kinsey's science, and they had proven that a lot of the laws in the sex offense section, they looked in 35 out of 50 states, and they found that Kinsey's science had been used to justify the legalization of abortion, homosexuality, or sodomy, and all of these other things.

Anyway, when I went to my first training at RSVP America was in 2001, and I'll tell you, in this training, there were 20, 25 people, maybe, and there were some women from Concerned Women for America.

There was a family research council, a couple of well -known organizations, but not a lot of people there, and I walked out of there, and I thought, oh my gosh, the world needs to know about this,

Eunice, and this is huge. Now, what those 25 people did was enough to make

Hollywood nervous, because then they had to come out with a film with more propaganda, because who really knew who

Kinsey was? There was no need to do a film on Kinsey. He's like the best kept secret, but again, because of the truth that RSVP America and the people they had trained of getting that information out there,

Hollywood got nervous, and that's why Kinsey's movie was, that's my take on why Kinsey's movie was made, was to put more propaganda out there.

Yeah, I did see the movie, because I knew that I would eventually be talking about it on this program, and the most unflattering aspect of Kinsey that they revealed in this film is that he was an out -of -control sexual individual who was constantly being unfaithful to his wife, both with men and women, and that seemed to be the most unflattering aspect of him, not really the research he was doing.

Exactly, but see, he actually required that of all of his workers. You had to be amoral.

It was required that you had to have sex with each other in each other's lives, yeah. That was a requirement.

But his wife did not appreciate it, though, in the movie, anyway. Well, yeah. In the movie, it looks like the wife didn't appreciate it, but there's some pictures of her,

I've seen pictures of her smiling. She was an active participant. Oh, really? Okay, so that part of it was fictitious, then?

Yeah, again, because we're trying to make it look like a happy family, normal people, and these are not normal people.

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We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who asks,

How do you respond to the person that may agree with you that what Alfred Kinsey does was horrific, evil, satanic, disgusting, and any other adjectives that describe something from the pit of hell that you can conjure up?

But at the same time, when you look at the fact that the damage is already done, can we make use of any of the data that he developed through these horrific experiments?

And I'm not saying that this listener is advocating that. The listener is just...

Yeah, if he's saying you could still salvage some of the data. How do you respond to somebody who is saying that?

That's basically what the listener is saying. Okay. Yeah, well, again, I come from the field of science, and when you're doing an experiment, you can't throw out certain data, or you can't go and search out certain data if you're trying to find out what would be good results.

And Kinsey's data, none of it was really legitimate.

And he did his sex studies in the 1930s and 40s. And, you know, I always ask my audiences, where were the

American men in the 1930s, early 40s? Well, they were over there. They were in the war. And this data wasn't collected to do a scientific experiment.

This data was to prove his agenda. So, of course, as I said, he went to the prisons and sought out the sexually deviant criminals and said this is the typical sexual behavior of the men.

In his women's data, when he interviewed women, he said a majority of American women back then were getting those backstreet abortions and were getting pregnant.

But, again, we would have, statistic -wise, we would have seen that. We would have seen a higher birth rate.

We would have seen STD rates. If people were as promiscuous as Kinsey said back then, then the

STD rate should have reflected that. And they did not. So I wouldn't advocate even using any of his science because it isn't science.

As a matter of fact, I always put quotations around it because it's not true science. It was a man who had an agenda and, you know, was being used.

You know, he's not the only monster in this. There were several culprits that were involved.

He was a tool that was used to promote sexual chaos in our country.

And where are we today? Exactly where they want us to be. Now, are there leftists in political places of power that are openly using

Kinsey's material by name? And if so, what excuses are they using when the history is quite clear of his illegal and evil activities?

Even your average left -wing individual is against pedophilia.

So what is the case with liberals in this information which you're making the case that this is the root of the modern

American sex education curriculum? So therefore, there's obviously a connection, at least in your studies.

So what do the liberals say about this, at least, you know, in majority? Well, Kinsey's science has been used for years.

In 1923, the American Law Institute was founded by the

Rockefeller Institute. And the purpose of the law institute was to eliminate 52 bible -based laws that once protected marriage, women, and children.

And they needed a tool to be able to do that. And when Kinsey's science came along, that was what they used.

So if you look at the monoclonal code in the state sex offense sections, you will find

Kinsey is quoted directly. And his statistics are quoted as the reason why, for example, we have the pedophiles on the streets.

It used to be if you raped a child, you were either put away in prison forever or you were put to death.

Those were pretty strong deterrents. But again, because Kinsey has said that really isn't harmful to children, then, you know, we're just going to therapeutically manage these pedophiles and we'll put them back out on the streets.

And that's why you can go on your local website to find out where is the sexual predator in your area.

And most of the time, you're going to find them in your neighborhood. So all over. So his science has been quoted across the board.

It isn't in just the liberal left. And as I gave you the example in 1967, you know, the

Lutheran sex ed program was quoting him. So even though, again, he's the best kept secret.

And Judith, at one point, met with the late Justice Scalia to share how

Kinsey science had been used to change the laws in our country. And he said, instead of us trying to make up new laws to protect what we're losing, he said, if the old laws, which were our old laws, were based on the

Old and New Testament and were thrown out for this mild penal code based on Kinsey science.

So what he said is we need to restore the old laws and make them honorable again. And I like that idea.

Because again, what we have, the whole field of sex education is based on fraud. The whole field of human sexuality is based on fraud.

So we need to get back to good science. We need to get back to good information. That's right.

So whenever you hear my guest, Audrey Werner, use the phrase Kinsey science, you have to visualize her using air quotes around science.

Yes, exactly. And just insert in there bad science or false science or fake science.

And let's see, we have another listener. And it happens to be the very listener

I mentioned in the beginning of the program from Plano, Texas, Maggie Conley, who is the reason why we're interviewing

Audrey Werner today. She introduced me via the internet, that is, Audrey, and shared with me the video, which you heard in the beginning, you heard the audio of that video, where Audrey was giving a lecture on the very subject we're talking about to the legislative briefing for the state of Texas, where Republican state representatives and their staff are present.

But Maggie in Plano, Texas says, Excellent show. Thank you both so much. Audrey, what age do you recommend generally is the best age to talk to a child about sex?

Or is it different with each child based upon when they reach the age of maturation and their hormones are clearly in play?

Okay, and thank you to Maggie. I'll see you in Bible study. We go to Bible study together.

I will actually see her. Oh, wow. You're really close friends. Yes, we are. The phrase that you hear sex educators say, or those that are pushing sex ed in the classroom, is age appropriate, medically accurate.

Now, keep in mind that Planned Parenthood, Kinsey, and the porn industry are the ones who developed those standards.

So again, going back to what did we used to do with children, and the beauty was that each parent was responsible for that.

And what's wonderful about that is each parent knows their child and knows what they could handle and what they can't handle.

So it really should go back to the parents and come out of the schools. And I'll even say sometimes youth directors in churches can be the worst culprits of sexualizing kids, too.

But it needs to go back to the parents. And I'll give you the example. With our children, we talked about the flower when they were about four, three or four years old.

We talked about the flower. We went on a walk in a field and found a flower. But isn't this wonderful? Look at God's life process.

There's a mommy part and a daddy part in this flower, and they get together, and a baby flower is formed, and it falls out, and that's how it was with you, but there was a doctor that caught you.

Something very simple for them. And then as children become curious, then you can build upon that information.

And to be honest with you, I have three boys and one girl. And my daughter, who is now 23 years old, we've never sat down and had the graphic talk, but she knows, because she's not one of my curious kids, but she knows what it is.

So again, you can do it in a very modest, indirect way. But whenever you start to give this graphic information, and you're uncomfortable, and the kid is squirming, and they're saying, oh, yuck, and that's not

God -pleasing. And that's when we're taking away their moral innocence. So it's really important that A, you know your child, and B, we need to be looking at kids through Jesus' eyes and not through Kenzie's eyes.

So we need to be protecting their moral innocence. And I will tell you that their moral innocence will actually protect them in some cases.

And I'll give you the example. We never showed graphic pictures of the genital area to our kid.

We called it private parts. We didn't call them by the names, because why do we always teach them that part of the body, but we don't teach them any other part of the body, when the world has completely contorted and perverted the use of that part of the body?

So we used private parts, and we didn't show graphic pictures.

So my husband was driving the kids home, and my oldest son, who's now in the military, he was 12 years old, and he happened to say, they had looked, there's a naked woman, to which my husband thought there was a naked woman in traffic, and looked around and saw there was a

Jeep full of teen boys who had a Playboy centerfold. They had opened it up, put it to their window, and so my husband right away said, kids, look away, that's not appropriate, which is a huge statement for dad to say.

And then as they drove away, my 12 -year -old son just said, dad, she wasn't naked. She had on black underpants, because you see, he had never seen a naked woman.

So his moral innocence actually protected him from what he had been exposed to. So we don't want to take away that moral innocence that God gave children.

We want to protect it for as long as possible. Wow. By the way, thank you, Maggie, for your excellent question.

And I believe you are a first -time questioner on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, even though you've listened to the program for years.

And since you're a first -time questioner, you will receive a free New American Standard Bible. So please make sure we have your full mailing address in Plano, Texas.

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We have Thomas from Guelph, Ontario, Canada.

And I'm sorry, Thomas, if I'm butchering the pronunciation of that city, Guelph, G -U -E -L -P -H,

I've never seen that before. What does your guest think of the acronyms coming out to soften pedophilia,

MAPS and NOMAPS, Minor Attraction Person and Non -Offending

Minor Attracted Persons? Thanks for what you do from Canada. And I've never heard of those acronyms.

Can you respond to that? Yes, I have heard of those acronyms. And definitely, it's just, you know, this is the moral decline that we're seeing.

And it is just part of, there's one curricula that someone sent me from Chicago.

And it's a picture of a man with his arm around a boy.

And the curricula is to help teachers help. And it does say the ages in here, ages 10 to 17.

It's to help if a teacher finds that a 10 -year -old having a sexual relationship with an adult, this curricula is to help teachers and counselors in the school to help the child decide if it's a healthy relationship for them or not.

So this is the trend of sex education. And in essence, what I said in Austin, Texas, to the legislators was, sex education was never designed.

We always hear the lie out there that, oh my gosh, the pregnancy rate is really high.

The STD rates, actually in America, the STD rates for teens is the highest it's ever been.

Since we've recorded it. And that's directly related to sex education, which you couldn't see the graphs that I was showing to the legislature, that sex education was designed to sexualize kids, to prepare kids to have sex with each other and with adults.

And that's the core of this. So that, again, if we can take out sex education, you are removing

Planned Parenthood, you are removing the pornography industry, and you are removing LGBTQ from our children.

So why wouldn't everybody in the world, because I know every country is dealing with this, why wouldn't we take sex education back out of these schools?

Because it used to be considered molesting a minor with immoral intent up to the age of 21, to even mention the word sexual intercourse in a classroom.

That's how we used to protect our kids. And we have given that right up, and we need to take it back.

Now, when Thomas in Guelph, Ontario, Canada, and perhaps Thomas can send in a second email to let me know if I'm butchering the pronunciation, who is using these acronyms,

MAPS and NOMAPS? Is that in school curriculum for sex education? Yes, yes, you have seen it.

And that is some of the law reviews are talking about that. So again, we're changing the wording, because remember

I said it softens the sin. So it's being introduced and being normalized.

So yeah, I've heard that wording before. Well, thank you so much,

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And oh, by the way, Thomas said that I nailed the pronunciation. He just sent me another email.

So Guelph is right. If you want to join us on the air, before we run out of time, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Alfred Kinsey, sexual deviant and architect of the sex education curriculum for America's children.

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Let's see here. We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who asked the question,

I may have missed what you said about the Missouri Synod Lutherans utilizing

Kinsey's garbage in some of their curriculum, but have they purged his nonsense out of their curriculum since you had met and spoken with some of those in decision -making roles?

Well, they have changed a little bit of the curricula. They actually had

Kinsey's statement, children are sexual from birth, with some pedophile information in the parent book.

And since I did meet with the Lutheran Publishing Company, a representative from there at the

Lutherans for Life headquarters, and the president of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, actually former presidents have been aware of what

I've been doing. And but the curricula itself and its foundation and approach is

Kinsey -based. So it would mean them pulling the entire curricula. And my request has been that they develop a curricula for teaching our children purity, chastity, modesty, self -control.

And that's not happened yet. So still preying on that one, but it's one of their biggest moneymakers.

So that would be huge. But they have been aware since I gave them the information on October 31st of 2001.

So they have had that information since then, and they are aware that Kinsey is in the foundation of their sex ed program.

I'm assuming, because I've interviewed a number of Missouri Synod Lutheran authors and pastors,

I'm assuming there must be some level of outrage by some of these men and women who

I have come to know who are very biblically astute and scripturally faithful.

Obviously, we have disagreements over theological points, but I consider them my brothers and sisters in Christ.

But I would think that some of these men and women would be outraged by this and trying to put a final halt to any of this stuff being involved.

Right. I think there is. I have a friend whose husband works at one of the seminaries, and some of the younger seminarians are coming up saying that they're questioning and they know that this series is bad.

And the problem is, the current series has no bibliography. The only edition that had a bibliography was the original series, which was written in the late 1960s.

And also the problem is that many of the Christian curricula that has been written since then have patterned themselves from the

Lutheran churches, because they were the first one. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod was the first one to develop a

Christian sex ed program. So, you know, my point is, you know, when we go back to scripture, a little leaven, you know, corrupts the whole loaf.

And so even a little Kinsey in there can be devastating and very harmful to children.

So my plea has been, through the years, has been that they need to pull this curricula, and they need to develop a purity curricula based on God's word and God's word alone.

Amen. And you believe that sex education should be totally absent from schools, correct?

Yes, absolutely. Even parochial schools that may be a part of a biblically solid denomination?

Yes, yes. In fact, I just had a friend in the churches, too, in Sunday school and in the youth groups.

And I've had some pastors who have reached out to me and said, hey, this is, I have a whole day on sexuality that I'm covering, period, and this is what

I do. But there's parts in it that I'm like, oh, but there's this, you know. So I'm trying to, again, get back to scripture and how we approach kids.

And again, we've got to, and we were born into the sexual revolution, so we really know no different.

We've all been raised with Kinsey's science. It's touched us in every area, whether you were a teacher, whether you were a lawyer, whether you were in medicine.

You have been trained, and in the church as well. You've been trained in Kinsey's science.

So it's a matter of us, you know, the Second Chronicle 714, if my people, not the people over there who don't know me, you know, humble themselves and pray and seek my faith and turn from their wicked ways.

This is part of that. We have got to gut and remove anything that is based on Kinsey, and we have got to get back to biblical teaching.

And let's see, we have an anonymous listener who wants to know, can parents say too little to their children about sex?

Well, I did say earlier in the program, you don't want kids to, raise up kids that are morally naive.

You don't want to use the stork. You don't want to say nothing. You do need to talk about God's life process with your kids so they have that foundation.

And then as they have questions, they will come back to you. And I'll give you an example of my one son in second grade.

I set my head in the bathroom. He was in the bathtub. I said, you know, hey, how are you doing? You okay? And he's like, yeah.

And he had a question, you know, he had heard something graphic from one of the kids at church and it had to do with the act.

And we call it the marital act by the way, which means only one thing, because sex could mean anything.

And so he asked that question and I said, you know, I said, do you remember when we talked about the flower?

And he said, yeah. And I said, you know that that is such a holy, precious gift between a husband and a wife.

Do you know that God doesn't even talk about it in the Bible? He doesn't even talk about it in detail at all. And he said, really?

He said, oh, okay. And he, that was, that's all he needed at that point. So again, when we, when they ask us questions, one of the things

I say in my book is we need to ask them more questions first. Because sometimes where did

I come from could mean, you know, what city was I born in? So, you know, don't feel like we have to give all this graphic sexual information because again,

I know where that came from. And prior to Kinsey, that's not what we did with kids. We did it in a very modest, indirect way.

So short of not telling anything, that would not be a good thing to do. But we do want to make sure that we maintain their innocence, but we make sure that they're not naive.

Yes. And as far as the Bible not giving graphic images about sex, obviously the scriptures do mention and discuss sexual activity.

They just, the pages of scripture are absent from... Right. Even some deviant, very satanic sexual activity is mentioned in the

Bible. Yeah. Let's see here. We have

John in Bangor, Maine who wants to know, is the modern sex education curriculum mentioning anything that approves of abortion?

Is he talking about the Lutheran sector or... I think he was just being in general about in public schools and perhaps even parochial schools.

Yes. Again, I would encourage you to go to the website Protect Child Health Coalition because on that website we actually have, there's examples of curricula that is in the schools.

And there is curricula for fourth graders that's teaching them how to have safe anal sex.

Yes. Yes. We have in the preschool where we are now teaching children that if they're a boy they don't have to be a boy.

They can be a girl if they want to be. So again, it has, it's horrific what is going on with our kids.

The push for sexual deviancy and teaching children every single sexual deviant act has really come forward.

And I'll tell you, Planned Parenthood and LGBTQ are heavily pouring into the schools right now.

And they are coming through not just the schools but the libraries as well. If you just go look at the sexuality, or if you just go to the young readers novels for the junior high kids, you're going to find a lot of sexual content in these books.

So the kids are being bombarded right now with sexual materials everywhere. Wow. Well, I would like you to have three uninterrupted minutes to summarize what you most want etched on the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Okay. Okay. My ministry and my mission and vision is that we become awake.

And my prayer has been, Lord, take away the blinders so that we in the church see evil for what it is.

And I think part of what we've seen it just in the last couple of weeks with the infanticide issue.

But again, the question goes back to, are we open to new life? You know, we have to go back to the teachings.

And this ministry, what I have found is that there are three areas where the church has come into error based on relying upon Alfred Kinsey, Margaret Singer, and the pornography industry.

And those three areas include that we forgot that God values the moral innocence of children.

So we as parents are called upon to be the primary educators for our kids. And we need to make sure that we're protecting their moral innocence, but then providing them with good information.

Secondly, God values all life. I found that, you know, again, in the church teachings, it wasn't just the

Catholic church. All churches were against birth control before. And some of the birth control that we use in the church are abortifacient.

So we're on that slippery slope. And then the third area is that God desires the marriage bed to be pure and undefiled.

What we do behind closed doors matters. It matters to God, and it matters to your marriage, and it matters to our nation.

So I am all about encouraging the church to get back to God's word, turn from Kinsey's teachings, and let that...

I'm praying for that revival to come across the land. But we need to do... Don't just take my word for it.

You need to do the due diligence. Do the research. Look at the bibliography of the Christian books that you're reading.

Who are these people? And why are they endorsing certain things? So big, big thing right now is sex education is the pillar to the sexual revolution.

In order for the sexual revolution to continue, they need our children. And the way they get to our children is through sex education.

So now, more than ever, it is more important that we are raising a pure, godly generation for the

Lord. And we can do that, but we are going to have to be more diligent in protecting our kids.

And we have to get back to using God's word and God's word alone to educate our kids. Amen. That's it.

And, Audrey, I would like to have you back on the program as soon as possible to discuss your book, 10

Tips on How Not to Talk to Your Kids About Sex. So if you could hang on the line, and we'll set that up after I go off the air.

I want to thank everybody for listening today, especially those who took the time to write. Remember, go to Matthew18 .org

to find out more about Audrey Werner, our guest. Matthew18 .org

I want you all to always remember, for the rest of your lives, that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater

Savior than you are a sinner. We look forward to hearing from you and your questions for our guests the next time on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.