February 11, 2019 Show with Audrey Werner on “Alfred Kinsey: Sexual Deviate & Architect of the Sex Education Curriculum For America’s Children”

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This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 11th day of February 2019, and I am so delighted today that we have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Audrey Werner.

She is a guest subsequent to the urging of a faithful listener of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in Texas, Maggie Conley, and we thank Maggie for making such an excellent recommendation. Audrey Werner is Dean of Life Issues and professor at Masters International University of Divinity, president and founder of the Matthew 18 Group, a purity paradigm for our homes, churches, and nation, a former sex educator, and STD, which is sexually transmitted disease, clinic nurse, a purity speaker for the Life Talk Crisis Pregnancy Center, national speaker for RSVP America, and sex education expert for the American Academy of Biblical Counselors.

Today we are going to be addressing Alfred Kinsey, sexual deviate and architect of the sex education curriculum for America's children, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever.

To Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Audrey Werner. Thank you, Chris. Thanks for having me on. It's an honor.

And a privilege. Oh, it's wonderful to have you on, especially on this very vital topic that many of our listeners who may be totally unaware of some of this disturbing information that we're going to be presenting today.

First of all, before we go into the subject at hand, tell us about.

The Master's International University of Divinity. Master's International University of Divinity is one of the first Christian online colleges that came into existence. They're coming up on celebrating their 20th year.

We have 3 ,000 students right now that are enrolled, mainly pastors, biblical counselors, crisis pregnancy staff from all over the world, and I have the honor and the privilege to teach one of my courses.

It's called Restoring Biblical Purity in the Church. So I have spoken across the country, and one of my wishes was to be able to share this material on Christian campuses, because many Christian campuses are covering human sexuality, but they're meshing scripture with the, unfortunately, the false science, and we'll get into that, I know, today on Alfred Kinsey.

So someone had suggested I check out Master's, and it turns out the president had been praying for a course just like that for over a year. So it totally got orchestrated, and it's a wonderful online college.

And tell us about the Matthew 18 Group. Okay, the Matthew 18 Group is an organization that I started. It's an offshoot of the LSVP America Campaign, which stands for Restoring Social Virtue and Purity to America.

It was a campaign that began in the early 1990s, and it went until 2004. And during that time, Eunice Ray was the founder, along with her husband, Colonel Ron Ray, who was the former assistant to the Secretary of Defense under the Reagan administration.

And they found that Kinsey's science was fraudulent, so they wanted to prove that, and to also show that a majority of our laws in the sex offense section, laws that made abortion legal, pornography legal, sex education legal, were all based on Kinsey's science.

So through all of that, they went to the different legislators and went state to state, went to D .C., and tried to wake up legislators to that fact. So there's now published materials out on that, and the proof is out there.

It's just a matter of people acting on that truth. Well, thank you so much for being of such invaluable service.

To not only the body of Christ, but to the world. And well, before we go into the theme, typically when I have a first-time guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, I have them provide a summary of their salvation testimony, what type of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what providential circumstances did God raise up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I know that you were raised in a Lutheran home, but I know also that there was a period in your life where you did not take Christ, his gospel, and his word as seriously as you do.

Now. So why don't you tell us about that? Yeah, I was raised in a Lutheran home. I went to Lutheran schools, Lutheran grade school, Lutheran high school, of course. I was baptized as an infant, went through confirmation in my junior high years, and that's where we, you know, instead of as infants we can't affirm our faith, so during confirmation we can affirm our faith.

So I knew all about God, I knew about the Bible, but I guess I had never really read it intently. And, you know, once I went on to college and that kind of went by the wayside, and it wasn't until I did marry a Lutheran first grade school teacher, and he was the youth director at the church where I was attending, and we had a bump in our marriage.

We had a separation that occurred a couple of years into our marriage, and it was a huge wake-up call for me. And God put a wonderful, older, wiser woman in my path who was a, actually was the first grade school teacher at the Lutheran school where I had attended, and she really brought me to educate me on spiritual warfare, and just through that, the power of prayer.

She had a prayer group, and so I was surrounded by some Christian ladies, and just had face-to-face experience with God, and was on fire for Him. So I've been a fighter for truth. I have, as a matter of fact, my husband and I have said there's no hopeless marriage, because we know God is a God of hope.

And so anyway, through that, I have stood for truth. And that's kind of where this ministry that Matthew 18 began was in a Lutheran church, in a Lutheran church school, where my oldest son was in kindergarten, and about to enter that Lutheran school, which happened to have been the Lutheran school I had attended.

And through that, found that Kinsey was in the Lutheran sex ed. So that began the ministry of sitting with Eunice Ray, and Eunice saying, okay, RSVP America has been going into the legislators. We need a group that's going to wake up the church, and you know, have it be based on Matthew 18, 15 to 17, which is if your brother's sitting, you go to them.

If they don't listen, you take someone else, and if that doesn't work, you go take it to the church. Well, what if the entire body of Christ is in error? That's an overwhelming, daunting task, but again, God can use the fool, and He usually uses the weak and the small.

So here I am, and that's what my ministry is about, is waking up the church to the reliance of Kinsey science.

And some of our teaching. Now, I know that there is a broad spectrum of belief amongst those who profess to be Lutheran. You have the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, you have the Wisconsin Synod, and other groups that are more conservative and biblically based and scripturally orthodox.

Then you have groups that I would consider apostate, totally outside the realm of biblical Christendom. I'm not saying that everyone in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America is in that category, but I'm convinced many are.

So I was just curious where you are coming from as far as.

Lutheran denomination. Yeah, I'm coming from one of the larger ones, the Missouri Synod.

Lutheran. Great. But you were saying just a moment ago that this Kinsey-based curriculum was existing in the Lutheran Church schools. Which denomination?

Well, this was actually, this is the, it's called the Learning About Sex Series, and it was in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Really? Yes, and it was developed in the late 1960s. And again, I preface this with, and when I speak, wherever I speak, I always preface this with, Kinsey is in all denominations.

It's not just the Lutheran Church. You will find his teachings in many of the writings of many, you know, again, going back to the bibliographies in our books and in our sex education series, finding out on whose authority are people standing on.

So for the Learning About Sex Series, I went back to the older writings. There's a book called Sex and the Church that was written in early 1960s, and in that, it started to, the Lutheran pastors were talking about Kinsey science, and they said, you know, it is kind of controversial, but because it is so large, we can't ignore the data.

So that became the foundation for the Learning About Sex Series, which then came out in 1967. And in their, in the parent book, they even quote Alfred Kinsey's statistics directly. So I was kind of alarmed and shocked at that.

They also quote Alan Guttmacher from the Guttmacher Institute, who was the former medical director of Planned Parenthood, as well as Lester Kirkendall, who was the president of the American Human Society.

Wow. And even in the teen book, which was called Life Can Be Sexual, they encouraged the youth to read a book by Hugh Hefner. What?

Oh, sorry for laughing, but that is mind-boggling. I know. Well, before we go any further with our live interview, I want to air, play the audio of a meeting that was held on January 16th in Texas. It was a legislative briefing for the Texas Republican state representatives and their staffs.

And you spoke there, and I'm going to play the audio of your entire presentation, which is about 15 minutes. It's such an important presentation that I didn't want to merely rely upon my memory, which is failing me more and more the older I grow.

I wanted to make sure.

It will give your listeners a good background on Kinsey, Alfred Kinsey, and what's the problem.

Yes, so here is that presentation. So sit back, absorb the information, take notes, and we will be back with our live discussion momentarily. It's ironic that 20 and a half.

Years ago, I was serving on a curriculum review committee on sex education in a Lutheran school, and I had to get up for 15 minutes and talk about why I thought their Christian sex ed program was bad and had a bad foundation.

And little did I know, 20 and a half years later, that I would be standing up here to do 15 minutes to you, and I'm very honored by that. Let me share with you, I do not have my slides in front of me right now, so I will kind of look up inside.

They're back home. But I can kind of do this in my sleep. My background is I was a sex educator for five years. It was through the public health department. We were school nurses, so as part of our job, we went in and talked to the kids about sex.

We were told, parents aren't doing their job, so you've got to go in there and do it for them. I thought, okay, at that point, I was newly married, didn't have any children, and I thought, I can do this.

I can help out parents. And they said, you're going to hear this lie out there that if you go and talk to kids about sex, that you're going to increase the pregnancy rate and the STA rate, and that's just simply not true.

So I thought, okay, I'm going to do this. So I did that for five years, and then we were blessed with our first child. Pardon me? Yeah, I can see it. Blessed with our first child, and I wanted to work still for the health department, but I wanted to work part-time.

Well, the only part-time job available was working in the STD clinic. I really don't want to do genital exams on people, but okay, if that's getting me to stay home with my baby and still work at the health department, I'll do it.

So I did it, and it's as if the Lord said, I want you to see the fruit of your labor, and that is where my eyes were opened. This is what I viewed. We were talking about what happened, and this is my view from an STD nurse, and I'm going to call it sexually transmitted disease because we changed it to infection because, gosh, everybody gets infections, and you can just put a bandaid on that, and that's not a problem, whereas a disease is a problem, and we need to address it.

So what I saw was when I started in 1991, typical age of first sexual contact would have been 16 or 17. That was very, very common. By the time I left in 1999, it was not uncommon to hear 10 years old being first sexual contact.

Now, I'm not saying that's consensual, but that was not uncommon. Something else that we, believe it or not, back in 1991, there still was shame and guilt associated with having sex outside of marriage, and then by 1999, no shame and guilt whatsoever.

The other thing we noticed, very interesting, in the mid -1990s, we saw date rape explode, and I thought, where is this coming from? Am I the only nurse that's seeing this? And all the other nurses said, no, we're seeing this.

Well, I saw a documentary on pornography about 10 years later, and during the Clinton administration, they had taken all the restrictions off the porn industry, and that's the first time we saw the first big explosion in pornography, and I know some states are passing where it's a public health crisis.

I can tell you from the STD nurse perspective, we saw the direct correlation between pornography exposure and date rape. There is a direct correlation between them. The other thing that we did was, of course, as an AIDS counselor, I was the one who had to tell somebody for the first time that they were HIV positive.

Now, obviously, most of the time, I did that with gay men, but there were a few times when, toward 1999, we were telling teen girls that they were HIV positive. Something that we do in the STD clinic is, if there's an alleged rapist, he is ordered by the judge to come in and get an HIV test, so we would then have to test him.

Now, HIV results are so confidential, you cannot share that with their partner, anyone else. This is the one time, if they're caught, they're found guilty of that crime, you can share those results with the victim.

Now, when we started this, we were doing this test on adult men. By the time I left, and I know you had talked about children raping children, we were doing this test on 10-year-old boys who had raped 2 and 4-year-old girls.

And clearly, we saw there's a problem. It's getting worse. And I think the thing for my husband was a youth pastor, and he was dealing with the teenagers as well. And I think the thing that bothered both of us was, there was no difference between the Christian kid and the non-Christian kid.

Something's going on. So, as a researcher, I wanted to know, why is this not getting better? Why is this getting worse? So, I want you to look at these graphs. This is STD rates, gonorrhea, ages 10 to 14.

You're going to notice, across the board, it's very, very low. Look at the years there. Something happened in 62, 63, 64, and then we see an explosion. This is national statistics, by the way. Go to the next slide.

Birth rates, Todd White Pearls, 15 to 19 years old. Again, 62, 63, 64. Something happened in that time. Next slide. Pregnancies to unwed girls under the age of 15. And again, when we factor in abortion becoming legal, and factor in that statistic as well, we see an explosion of STDs and pregnancy.

And then what happened to the American family after that? It started to fall apart. Wow. There's a direct correlation between that. And as you can see, what I was seeing in the 90s was true. It was getting worse.

Go to the next slide. My oldest son serves in the U .S. Coast Guard. He's in a remote place in Alaska, and he just had our very first grandchild. Got married a year and a half ago, or two years ago, and now we have our new grandchild.

Of course, as a grandma, I have to get up to Alaska and see. And so in a flight, and of course, in a remote area, it takes several hours to get up there. So I was half awake. We'd been flying all night.

We're coming out of Seattle, and we finally come above the clouds, and I go, wow. I said, that has got to be a huge mountain. We're just seeing the tip of that mountain. That's got to be a huge mountain.

Of course, duh, it's Mount St. Helens is what I saw, but I was not awake enough to figure out what it was at first. That's what it's like with sex education. I started to want to know, what is the root?

What is behind? What happened in 62, 63, 64? Have we always had sex ed? Who developed it? What was the intent behind sex education? So that's what this is like looking at. You're looking at a huge mountain, we're just giving you the tip.

And I now teach courses to pastors, biblical counselors, crisis pregnancy staff all over the world on that big mountain. So let's look historically. Prior to 1948, sex knowledge was never important for kids, ever.

If you look to the theorists, Piaget, Manslow, Skinner, you'll see that they looked at individual and group skills such as learning to reason, submitting to authority, moral thinking, task achievement, self-actualization, mutual cooperation, and social interaction were child's major developmental objectives.

We never, ever thought of talking to kids about sex. Historically, and I bought a lot of antique books too because I want to know, what did they do back then? So I found a lot of books. There was one, How Shall I Tell My Child, and it was written in 1912.

Parents were the primary educators. And when they talked about God's life process, they talked about it in a very indirect, modest way. That's why you hear the flowers, the birds, and the bees. That's what they used to talk to their kids.

Or if you were on the farm, of course, you saw the farm animals. But it was always in an indirect way. It was never done in a graphic, upfront way. Actually, if you look to the state laws, it was considered molesting a minor with immoral intent to even mention the word sexual intercourse in the classroom up to the age of 21.

We've come a long way, maybe, in such a short, short period of time. So what changed all of this? What happened? I found a man by the name of Alfred Kinsey. He was a catalyst for the sex education that we now have in our schools today.

Well, who was this guy? I had heard about him in nursing school. I had heard the phrase, children are sexual from birth. That came from this guy. He was a zoologist at Indiana University. He studied the sexual behavior of a Galois.

The media portrayed him as a happily married man, but in actuality, with biographies that have come out from his own associates, he was a homosexual sadomasochist. And he advocated for all sexual rights.

He believed infants should be able to have sex as well as the elderly all through. He studied, he published his first, he did sex research and he published his studies in 1948. He did sexual behavior in the human male.

This is in every university. This is in every library as if it was gospel truth. But if you look closely at his data for the male data, he went into the prisons and he interviewed the most sexually deviant criminal.

And he said, this is a typical sexual behavior of the American male. For the females, he went and interviewed prostitutes. If they lived with a man for more than a year, he said, this was a typical sexual behavior of the American married female.

Now for the child data, back it up for one second. For the children's data, I'll show that in the next slide. But he was, it's important that you understand, he was the first one to say, children are sexual from birth, meaning infancy.

Go to the next slide. And then click it again. The table should come up. Okay. So I said, okay, Lord, I know nothing about Kinsey. And the Lord said, okay, you want, you want Kinsey? I'm going to give you the number one expert in the world.

She has testified at the Supreme Court level, at House of Parliament. She's been all over the world. Dr. Judith Reisman. And she looked at this book as well. And in the book, I have it right here. It was very interesting carrying this around trying to hide it, but the printer almost didn't print it because she looked at it horrified.

What this is, is his childhood data. He documented how many orgasms does a child have in a 24 hour period of time. And if you look at the ages, we're starting at five months of age up through 14 years of age.

So you're talking about children who have been raped for a 24 hour period of time. That's the foundation of sex ed. That's the foundation of sex ed. Huge to understand that. And there's one poor child, a four year old, who had 26 orgasms in a 24 hour period of time.

So let's go to the next slide, because how did he describe that? Judith found herself on some interesting places. In 1990, she was on the Phil McDonough Show, sitting next to Kinsey's associates. And Phil asked one of his associates about that data.

And his associate, Clarence Tripp said, oh no, no. He listened to only pedophiles who were very careful, used stopwatches, knew how to record their thing. Now, if you look in this book, how does Kinsey describe a child having an orgasm?

Sobbing, sometimes with an abundance of tears, especially among younger children, afflicted with extreme trembling, collapse, and sometimes fainting. Kinsey wrote that the children enjoy the experience, though many fight away the partner.

Not the perpetrator, the partner. This is the foundation of sex ed. Next slide. So, remember 62, 63, 64. What happened in the Supreme Court case, 1962, real quick? Prayer removed from school. 1963, what happened?

Bible reading. 1964, this is by no accident, people. 1964, SECIS, which was the Sex Information Education Council of the United States, which was the official beginning of sex education, was launched at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University.

The objective was to teach Kinsey's ideology, because remember, children are sexual from birth, so we're going to teach them how to handle their sexuality. The first leader for SECIS was Dr. Mary Calderon.

Guess what? Who was she? She was the medical director of Planned Parenthood. You've heard that name a lot today. Then the initial seed money, guess where that came from? Hugh Huffman gave the initial seed money with many people that were serving on the curriculum boards for sex education were employed by Penthouse Forum.

Gosh, why would the largest abortion industry and pornography industry want to be at the heart of sex education for our children? Do they make money off of that? Absolutely. So SECIS leaders supported humanism, communism, and eugenics, and they promoted their ideas through sex education.

The technique that they used was called SAR, or sexual attitude restructuring, which again, instead of the flower, the birds, and the bees, we're going to take them to the axed and the genitals, and it's gone way beyond that.

Next slide. So we had to get all the sex, I had to go through training to be able to teach sex education in the schools, and the training had to be standardized, so everybody across the country has to have the same training in order to teach sex ed.

So they had to have an organization to start to train, and that was the American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors, and Page, and this is what their job was, to provide sex information to the sex educator, train him or her in the psychotherapy technique necessary to communicate this knowledge, and to restructure his or her sexual values, so to equip him or her to expand their students' tolerance and acceptance of various sexual practices and lifestyles.

So again, this was all set up. We've all been lied to and deceived. Next slide. When the late Alan Guttmacher, he was the sign-on to the Humanist Manifesto, he was the Planned Parenthood president, and he was asked after Roe v. Wade, how can we make sure that that Supreme Court decision stays secure?

He answered with two words, sex education. So, in summary, sex education was never designed to prevent STDs or pregnancy. It was designed to prepare children to have sex with each other and to have sex with adults.

So when we look at that, we understand that at the core of sex education is a man who interviewed pedophiles who raped hundreds of children and says no problem and thinks it's healthy for an infant to have sex with an adult.

We have Planned Parenthood, which is the number one abortion industry in the world, and we have the pornography industry. So, I am speaking to one of the planks that was passed at the Republican convention this last summer, so I'm asking for the whole enchilada.

I'm asking for no sex education in the schools. Wow, that's some disturbing stuff.

I have to share with you, Chris, that that was at the Capitol building in Austin, the Texas Capitol building, and in that hearing room, outside of our hearing room, we were the only hearing room that had police presence because Planned Parenthood had snuck inside and they were tweeting live what we were sharing, and I love what they said about me.

They said, new speaker wants to take us back to 1950. Gosh, let's look at that. Abortion was not legal. Pornography was not legal. Sex education was not legal. Gay marriage was not legal. Yeah, I guess I do want to get us back there.

Yeah, praise God. Let's pray that that would happen,.

But we're going to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to ask a question regarding this issue, regarding the sex education curriculum in America, and its roots, and anything else related to this topic, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Arntzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Audrey Werner, and she is the founder of the Matthew 18 Group, a purity paradigm for our homes, churches, and nation, and we are discussing Alfred Kinsey, sexual deviant and architect of the sex education curriculum for America's children.

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