April 22, 2019 Show with Liam Goligher on “Redemption: Accomplished & Applied” AND “Sanctification by Grace”

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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 22nd day of April 2019. I hope that you all had a very blessed Easter weekend and celebration of the resurrection of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, of course, we should be celebrating that every day.

But it's always a wonderful opportunity to get together with family friends and loved ones Both those who are saved and those who are lost so that we can share with them the good news of Jesus Christ.

And I hope that you had the opportunity to do both over the weekend both enjoying the fellowship of the brethren and Also having an opportunity to share your precious faith today. We have as a first-time guest somebody who I've wanted to interview for quite a while.

And I'm so delighted that I have the opportunity today to have him on for the very first time Liam Gallagher. He is the senior minister at 10th Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Where the late dr. James Montgomery Boyce was the pastor for many years.

And he is very much remembered for the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology that he held there at 10th Presbyterian every year. Which is now what held in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, and we're going to be talking about this week's Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology this weekend, which I hope to attend and Today our actual two topics for discussion with Pastor Gallagher are redemption accomplished and applied both a Phenomenal and amazing biblical truth and the title of one of the best books on the atonement by John Murray.

And the second hour we intend to discuss sanctification by grace. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron trip and sign radio pastor Liam Gallagher.

Thank you very much for having me here.

Amen. Well, why don't you. Other than what I just said for our listeners who may be totally unfamiliar with 10th Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, we do have New-believers in our audience at times.

We also have people who are not even Christians listening.

So why don't you tell our listeners about 10th Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in Center City where there's absolutely?

I think that's one of the reasons they moved the location of the conference.

Remarkably managed to fight and In spite in spite of that being a huge hurdle Nonetheless managed to See ministries develop among the college medical community community. Yeah, one of five doctors. I had the privilege years ago at one of the Philadelphia conferences on reform theology.

I had the privilege of meeting Dr. C Everett coop who was a member there if I'm not mistaken.

Member and an elder long time. Oh, that's right. That's right. And. And first general under Ronald Reagan, I believe. Yes, and if you could brother just.

If you could continue to remember to keep your mouth as close to the mouthpiece of whatever you're speaking into because sometimes you Tend to drift away and get a little muffled. I'm sorry about that.

Yeah, right now you're very good. Well, one of the things. One of the things that we have a tradition of doing an iron trip and sign radio when we have a first-time guest. We like that guest to give a summary of his or her salvation testimony.

What kind of religious atmosphere you were raised. In what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life? To draw you to himself and save you etc. If you could give us some of your background on how you came to know and love our Lord Jesus Christ.

My father. I'm a great barnhouse. Inclusively, yeah. Oh, yeah, you could detect neo-orthodoxy as a young child. Were you the only Calvinist in the room when you did that. I was only Calvinist in the church.

Did you know that you were a Calvinist or did you just assume this is just what the Bible teaches. I.

Took me a little while to adjust.

Yeah, in fact, we're going to be talking about Martin Lloyd-jones God willing this Wednesday on Iron sharpens on radio with my guest Jeff Thomas. I'm assuming you know who Jeff Thomas is.

Oh, yes.

I do indeed and he's going he's going to be promoting a different conference where he is speaking the foundations conference in New York City, which is a conference run by sermon audio. And I asked Reverend Thomas what he wanted to speak on.

He immediately said dr Martin Lloyd-jones, and I'm thrilled because I don't believe in all the years that I've done this program since 2005. I don't think I've ever dedicated an entire two-hour program to dr Martin Lloyd-jones, and I'm amazed that I haven't because he's such a a Vital figure in church history and.

Surely one of the greatest minds of the 20th century in that.

Amen. Well, I never had the privilege of hearing him live in a church or Chapel But I have heard recordings of him and it surely is a blessing to hear the recordings. But I know that it's never a comparison when you hear somebody right there in their presence preaching Amen, and a lot of folks might not know this but dr. Martin Lloyd-jones was a Calvinist Methodist and well, we are today not only discussing the theme of The Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology, which is being held this weekend in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania To be exact on the 26th 27th and 28th.

That's Friday Saturday and Sunday but We are we are discussing one of the most controversial and And sadly one of the primary issues that separates reformed brethren from the rest of Christendom and that is the issue of redemption accomplished and applied and First of all before I even go into the actual biblical concept I'm assuming and perhaps I'm Guessing something that I don't know about you, but I'm assuming that the the great work by John Murray a Great, but brief work on the Atonement meant something powerful to you in regard to this subject.

One of the earliest. Yes, I would. If you're listening and you don't have that book. Whether you are reformed and.

Just want to be blessed by having something that you believe Reconfirmed or if you are reformed and you want to be able to be more capable of sharing and explaining the doctrine of limited Atonement or definite Atonement or particular redemption or substitutionary Atonement With your Arminian or non reformed friends.

This would be an ideal book because it's also not a weighty tome. It's a very brief book and I will give you information. I know the banner of truth Has an edition of it that you could get at banner of truth org banner of truth org But there are other Publishers that also have that I believe or at least sell the banner of truth edition of it.

But this this is a doctrine Just to tell you briefly about my own discovery of it When I was first a born-again believer after having been raised Roman Catholic. I came to an understanding of the true gospel in my mid-twenties and I've at first thought of just as many Arminians and non Calvinists do I thought of the doctrine of limited Atonement and in fact unconditional election as well as horrible and ugly and just terrifying concepts.

But when the Lord Opened my eyes to these truths The the doctrine of definite Atonement Personalized my faith and so much more of a radical way My faith with Christ. It's interesting. I don't know if you have any kind of similar thoughts Pastor Goliger, but many reformed people criticize Arminianism and the the church at large outside of the reformed faith as Being too individual and personal and not Stressing enough the the importance of the corporate body of Christ and I think that those criticisms are accurate but at the same time when I discovered and believed The doctrine of definite Atonement.

It made me realize for the first time that when Jesus Christ Was breathing his last breath up on Calvary. I Was actually on his mind. It wasn't a faceless sea of humanity that he was dying for and dying for an endless Innumerable sea of humanity with just a hope that they would become redeemed.

He actually redeemed me On the cat on Calvary and it was a it was a sign sealed and delivered mission Accomplished and it just it radicalized my my personal Understanding of God's love for me of Christ's death for me personally.

Did did you have any kind of a similar thought on that Bible. John chapter 7. For thee for these? I sanctify myself for those you've given me long to you. You've given them. Is he is setting his people.

That he had chosen. Hey, man, and every every word each.

Amen, and my friend you may have heard of him. He's a longtime very close friend of mine. Dr James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries when he has debated on the issue of Limited or definite atonement He has focused on the high priestly prayer because it is so clear In those texts.

We are going to our very first break right now if you'd like to join us on the air the question for Reverend Liam Gulliger on the atonement. Or you could really ask any question involving the reformed faith, that would be fine.

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Who said this is Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania. Who says my Arminian friends are constantly telling me that there is no biblical support. For the doctrine of limited or definite Atonement. I know that you already brought up the high priestly prayer of Jesus Christ.

Can you mention some other biblical texts that would support if not outright prove? Limited or definite Atonement. He.

That Jesus is to be global view of the Bible is chosen before they will be in His people. In view this people are going to be extended to include.

Yes, and one of the verses that I bring up as well, even though many people not Might not recognize this text to specifically Discuss the nature of the Atonement, but I think it really speaks loud and clear about it and that's in Ephesians chapter 5 where we have in verse 25.

Husbands love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave himself up for her so that he might Sanctify her having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word that he might present to himself the church in All her glory having not spot nor wrinkle or any such thing.

But that she would be holy and blameless. Blameless to me. Because of the fact that Paul is obviously telling husbands to love their wives in a unique way. Outside any other person or a woman in the world.

The fact that Christ laid down his life for her to me. Meaning the church that it's a picture of the church. It would not make sense if Christ laid down his life for every single woman or person in the world.

Do I'm I making sense here?

Absolutely the choice of God and we that is on the line of thinking. And do you think that very often the errors?

In Christendom when it comes to the Atonement They Start very often with a wrong emphasis especially when you're talking about our Evangelical Protestant Friends who are not reformed who are Arminian even if they wouldn't call themselves that they focus too much on the people for whom Christ died rather than what Christ did when he died and As the theme of the Philadelphia Conference of Reformed Theology Insinuates or boldly states more than insinuates redemption accomplished and applied.

It's interesting that if you ask Your average Arminian Christian as I have done I've said do you believe that the redemption is totally accomplished by Christ on the cross? They will say yes and I will say to them Well, do you believe Christ died for every single person that has ever lived and will ever live even those that are in hell?

Yes, I do. Well, how could their redemption be accomplished then and I usually get a pause of silence and then Another text is brought up. They they run away from The the issue of what actually happened on Calvary isn't that really The most important thing to be focusing on is what did Christ do on Calvary?

He shall say yes. When did he redeem us. Do he he achieves? But he came to it seems to me we can say God man. Invalidated, but that's not. That's not saying why he did it. He did it. That's precise.

Amen and I have had a friend of mine and I've had others bring this up as well but I'm speaking I'm thinking specifically of one pastor friend of mine who is a fundamentalist Baptist and vehement anti Calvinist.

But I can still remember him during a disagreement that we were having. He brought up John 1 29 Where The next day he saw Jesus coming to him. This is John the Baptist and said behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world and I said to him well.

You're putting the emphasis on the word world. How about behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world and If you believe that he takes away the sin of the entire world hell would be empty.

There would be no such place as a place of eternal conscious torment. He takes away this sin. That is I think the more glorious and amazing aspect of this Declaration is that he takes away the sin. Isn't isn't it has to mean The only way that this makes sense.

Unless you are a full-blown universalist who believes everyone including Satan will be in heaven It makes no sense to view this in any other way Than to believe that the world in Contrast to Israel meaning those from out of every tribe tongue and people in nation, but maybe you have a different Approach to that, but if you could.

Yeah, if you look at John's gospel, it seems to me what Jesus means. It was interesting about the the the upshot is all the salvation is of the Jews. Salvation is of the Jews, but she. She took it that he had come as the as it that he might save Samaritan.

Well, she understood this on the basis of a mission of the earth. We're going to be consistent here. What is meant in chat?

Yeah, I think the greater burden is on the part of those who believe in a universal atonement that reject limited or particular atonement or or definite atonement. The greater burden is on their parts to find anywhere in the scripture Where Jesus through his death provided a hypothetical?

Redemption yes Where he was just making salvation possible not saving anyone. I can recall hearing a quote by a Nazarene Seminary professor who rightly understood and when I say rightly understood, I don't mean that he correctly understood but the scriptures teach but he rightly understood the.

The dilemma in the fact that Armenians Use the term today. Anyway, they use the term equally with Calvinists Substitutionary atonement. I mean this seminary professor this Nazarene Armenian Wesleyan Armenian Seminary professor realized that that could not be true and he was actually chiding or chastising scolding his fellow Armenians for using the term substitutionary atonement.

And he said do not use that term because if Jesus died for all and he died as a substitute for every single person that ever Lived everyone would be going to heaven and that it does. That is the only way that you could logically understand it if you have a universal understanding of the atonement.

Am I right? Yes, do you think that one of the reasons why so many people especially in Western culture They have been raised and Christians have been raised for centuries the majority of the Christian era has been dominated by Gentile Christians and they forget how amazing and even infuriating the understanding of God's people being outside of the ethnic people of Israel.

They don't they don't get that concept. So when the word world is being used in the New Testament It's it's a powerful thing that is lost on The Gentile ear perhaps. They don't understand how that would have if somebody was an unregenerate Jewish person who is religious that would have made them furious and and and of course, they would be forgetting their own Hebrew scriptures about they were supposed to be a light unto the Gentiles but but That was something that annoyed and greatly infuriated people who were Jewish wasn't.

Isaiah of the nation Gentiles going coming to a Jew and asking later on in Isaiah All the ends of the earth and there's the Savior of the world. She understood herself to belong to the world. That that we forget.

We don't think enough of. Yes, and and Charles Spurgeon has brought up in the 19th century.

How Totally ironic it would be that Christ would die for the sins of people already in hell before he was even nailed to the cross and Of course, I think chronologically. I believe that the lake of fire where the damned are cast into.

I think that that is a future event to us now but obviously After death, there is some form of hell that the lost are cast into before they are their bodies are raised. They're raised and they are thrown both body and soul into hell.

But they are still in hell and it makes no sense For Jesus to have gotten up on that cross and died for those people too if if you believe in a universal atonement. That's the only way that you could understand that even those that were already dead with no hope of salvation He died for them as well doesn't.

It doesn't make any sense of Spurgeon. I think wisely pointed out. Well, if you could in two minutes summarize before we move on to our next Theme which is sanctification by grace in our next hour if you could summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners regarding redemption accomplished in a plot.

Eminence between iniquity was here. He redeems us. He dies the death. We should have died. In our place he achieves the bringing many the agony of his soul. Amen.

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