April 22, 2019 Show with Liam Goligher on “Redemption: Accomplished & Applied” AND “Sanctification by Grace”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 22nd day of April 2019.

I hope that you all had a very blessed Easter weekend in celebration of the resurrection of our

Lord, God, and Savior, Jesus Christ. Of course, we should be celebrating that every day, but it's always a wonderful opportunity to get together with family, friends, and loved ones, both those who are saved and those who are lost, so that we can share with them the good news of Jesus Christ.

And I hope that you had the opportunity to do both over the weekend, both enjoying the fellowship of the brethren and also having an opportunity to share your precious faith.

Today, we have, as a first -time guest, somebody who I've wanted to interview for quite a while, and I'm so delighted that I have the opportunity today to have him on for the very first time,

Liam Gallagher. He is the senior minister at 10th Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where the late

Dr. James Montgomery Boyce was the pastor for many years. And he is very much remembered for the

Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology that he held there at 10th Presbyterian every year, which is now held in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania.

And we're going to be talking about this week's Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology this weekend, which

I hope to attend. And today, our actual two topics for discussion with Pastor Gallagher are redemption, accomplished and applied, both a phenomenal and amazing biblical truth, and the title of one of the best books on the atonement by John Murray.

And the second hour, we intend to discuss sanctification by grace. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio, Pastor Liam Gallagher.

Thank you very much for having me here. Amen. Well, why don't you, other than what I just said, for our listeners who may be totally unfamiliar with 10th

Presbyterian Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, we do have new believers in our audience at times.

We also have people who are not even Christians listening. So why don't you tell our listeners about 10th Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

So we're a church in the Presbyterian Church of America. We're in Center City, in a very strategic location.

Where there's absolutely no parking, virtually. I think that's one of the reasons they moved the location, isn't it?

Of the conference. The conference, yeah. So that's one of the challenges we have.

And yet, remarkably, we have over 1 ,000 people every Sunday who manage to find their way there, and perhaps 1 ,600.

And in spite of that being a huge hurdle, nonetheless, we still manage to battle on.

God's been good to us over the years. We've managed to see ministries develop among the college students, 180 ,000 college students nearby.

In the medical community, Philadelphia is the third -largest medical community in the country.

Wow. Yeah. I think every one in five doctors goes through Philadelphia.

I had the privilege years ago at one of the Philadelphia conferences on Reformed Theology, I had the privilege of meeting

Dr. C. Everett Koop, who was a member there, if I'm not mistaken. A member and an elder, a long -time elder.

That's right, that's right. And First Sergeant General Ronald Reagan, I believe.

Yes. I knew him very briefly. He was elder than I.

First came, and they moved to be near his family. He was a very godly man.

And if you could, brother, just if you could continue to remember to keep your mouth as close to the mouthpiece of whatever you're speaking into, because sometimes you tend to drift away and get a little muffled.

I'm sorry about that. That's all right. Yeah, right now you're very good. Well, one of the things that we have a tradition of doing on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, when we have a first -time guest, we like that guest to give a summary of his or her salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, what kind of providential circumstances our

Sovereign Lord raised up in your life to draw you to himself and save you, et cetera.

If you could, give us some of your background on how you came to know and love our

Lord Jesus Christ. So my, let me go back. My father was converted in his adult life.

I had an open -air meeting where somebody was preaching, and he met my mother.

My mother came from a fairly longstanding Christian family. My grandfather had been killed in a bombing raid on Glasgow during the

Second World War, and my grandmother regularly entertained troops,

American troops, who were coming through that area, through Glasgow, in her home.

And I grew up listening to my grandmother's stories of some of these young men who had come from all parts of the

States, and their conversions, and remarkable stories of the way in which

God had drawn them to himself. Those stories that my grandmother told were influential in my thinking, even as a little boy.

She also used to tell me about preachers who'd come through the church that she went to, which was a mission hall that D .L.

Moody had started, an American evangelist in the 19th century. And Billy Graham, before he was

Billy Graham, preached there. Before he was a feminist.

Donald Gray Barnhouse from 10th Presbyterian preached there, in fact. And she told me about his preaching.

And I found a little prayer card advertising the meetings. In 1939, in August of 1939, before war was declared in September, he was in Glasgow for the whole month preaching at my grandparents' church.

And I kept that prayer card in my Bible all of my life, actually.

And therein lies the story. The completion of that story, you can ask me later on.

But the influence of my grandmother was great, I think. And I'm one of these people who cannot remember a time in their life when they didn't love the

Lord Jesus. And I mean love the Lord Jesus. Not only love the Lord Jesus, but wanted to hear all

I could about him. I went to church. I loved

Sundays. I loved hearing, preaching our minister. It was a

Baptist church, but it wasn't like a Southern Baptist church. Not that I'm casting aspersions there, but it was far more formal than a

Southern Baptist church would be. But he would tell a children's talk every week, in which he would tell perhaps a story of a missionary.

And he would set us off to go and discover what the name of this person was, give us the life story.

And we'd go and find out who they were. Basically, I just drank in everything

I could. Because we were in evangelical circles, there was great pressure, of course, to have a conversion experience.

I would go along to these meetings, people would tell you to put up your hand and receive Christ. I put up my hand several times.

It dawned on me one day, fairly early on, that why was

I asking Jesus into my life? Since I'd never been conscious of him not being in my life.

We used to sing these hymns, as I spend in vanity and pride. Well, when you're six years of age, it's hard to remember.

You're spending years in vanity and pride. I had a very subtle conscience and kept examining myself.

I think with the help of my parents, I came to a place of peace and rest in trusting that Christ was my

Savior and Lord. At that point, there was only one issue that was in my mind.

That was the desire I had to be a preacher of the gospel.

I remember my father took me along to a tin hut that somebody had bought and was using as a start -up for a youth work.

This guy was showing films of the Billy Graham crusades or something. I remember watching the young Billy Graham, who was a really dynamic preacher.

I watched him preach that night. I went home and I re -preached his sermon to my brother.

My brother was in the top bunk, and that was the gallery. I re -preached his sermon. I was ten years of age. I managed to remember most of the sermons

I did and preach it in a North Carolina accent. As you can tell, I did it in a North Carolina accent.

Eventually, I started preaching to real people. I did initially have something of an

American twang, even though I was very much a Scotsman. Anyway, ten years of age,

Saturday night, to this thing, home practice preaching. Monday afternoon after school,

I went into the public library with my parents' tickets to the adult public section.

I got the first six books out of the religion section and took them home.

The first book was by a man called Karl Barth. It was called Evangelical Theology.

I tried to read it, lots of big words. My mother asked me if I was understanding what

I was reading. I said, well, I understand some of it. She said, what do you think it is?

I said, this man has a strange view of the Bible, which

I think for a ten -year -old was quite discerning. Oh yeah, you could detect neo -orthodoxy as a young child.

Exactly. So that was the beginning, really. At that point,

I started to prepare little sermons, started to read books. Within a couple of years, by the time

I was nearly 13, I had become reformed in my theology by spontaneously reading the

Bible for myself, basically. I was searching out books to read.

I didn't know anyone alive at the church I went to that were good, godly people, but nobody was into any kind of theology of that kind.

I tried to talk about it in my youth group. They asked me to speak. The very first time

I spoke to the youth group, I preached on definite atonement. They looked at me as if there was something wrong with me.

Were you the only Calvinist in the room when you did that? Oh yeah, absolutely. I was the only

Calvinist in the church. I don't want to just cast aspersions.

That church was a nurturing environment, and I grew up in the protection of that church family.

That church still means a lot to me today, but there was certainly no Calvinists there. But that was good, because I think that was a good preparation for some of my ministry experiences where I was the only

Calvinist as well. Did you know that you were a Calvinist, or did you just assume this is just what the Bible teaches?

When I started reading old books that I got out of the market,

I realized that what some of these dead people believed was what I believed. I didn't know

I was alive, who believed these things. Until when I was about 15,

I think I was preaching in the open air at a mission down by the seaside.

A lady who was a carpenter who went around the towns and villages selling Christian books came up to me.

She had a couple of books she wanted to give to me. She said, I listened to you preaching then. I think you're a

Calvinist, Andy. I said, well, I think I am. I said, you know what that means?

Oh yes, absolutely, she said. In fact, there's somebody coming to Glasgow that I want you to go and hear in September.

So she arranged for me and a number of others to meet up in September, and we went. This elderly man was there.

He got up to the lectern, and he said something like this.

He said, my dear friends, I want you to turn in your Bibles, don't look back. It took me a little while to adjust to the accent.

It was Martyn Lloyd -Jones. He preached for about an hour.

At the end of that period, I was sitting at the edge of my seat. I remember distinctly praying to the

Lord and saying, Lord, you can take me home now. I've heard preaching for the first time.

It was quite an experience for me. In fact, we're going to be talking about Martyn Lloyd -Jones,

God willing, this Wednesday on Iron Sharp and Zion Radio with my guest Jeff Thomas.

I'm assuming you know who Jeff Thomas is. Oh yes, I do indeed. He's going to be promoting a different conference where he is speaking, the

Foundations Conference in New York City, which is a conference run by Sermon Audio. I asked

Reverend Thomas what he wanted to speak on. He immediately said, Dr. Martyn Lloyd -Jones. I'm thrilled because I don't believe in all the years that I've done this program since 2005,

I don't think I've ever dedicated an entire two -hour program to Dr. Martyn Lloyd -Jones. I'm amazed that I haven't because he's such a vital figure in church history and surely one of the greatest minds of the 20th century.

Absolutely. Listening to Lloyd -Jones preach, there is no comparison

I can think of today in that it was an experience.

It was more than simply listening to someone giving a good exposition of a text.

There was a palpable sense of God in his preaching, which you can't reproduce.

The Holy Spirit was very powerful in working in our hearts and minds, probably that's what was going on.

I cannot think of anyone that I've heard since that has had that same sense of the presence of God, the weight of holiness, really, in his preaching as he did.

Amen. Well, I never had the privilege of hearing him live in a church or chapel, but I have heard recordings of him, and it surely is a blessing to hear the recordings, but I know that it's never a comparison when you hear somebody right there in their presence preaching.

Yeah, yeah. It's the presence of the person, I think, to some degree that makes sense.

Amen. And a lot of folks might not know this, but Dr. Martyn Lloyd -Jones was a Calvinist Methodist.

And, well, we are today not only discussing the theme of the

Philadelphia Conference on Reformed Theology, which is being held this weekend in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, to be exact, on the 26th, 27th, and 28th, that's

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, but we are discussing one of the most controversial and, sadly, one of the primary issues that separates

Reformed Brethren from the rest of Christendom, and that is the issue of redemption accomplished and applied.

And, first of all, before I even go into the actual biblical concept,

I'm assuming, and perhaps I'm guessing something that I don't know about you, but I'm assuming that the great work by John Murray, a great but brief work on the

Atonement, meant something powerful to you in regard to this subject? Well, one of the earliest books

I ever bought was that book, and I think I bought that book by the age of 14 and read it about ten times.

It was very formative of the way in which I approached those particular scriptures and the whole understanding of the

Gospel, and it's shaped the rest of my ministry, really. One of the key books

I would recommend to people. Yes, if you're listening and you don't have that book, whether you are

Reformed and just want to be blessed by having something that you believe reconfirmed, or if you are

Reformed and you want to be able to be more capable of sharing and explaining the doctrine of limited atonement or definite atonement or particular redemption or substitutionary atonement with your

Arminian or non -Reformed friends, this would be an ideal book. It's also not a weighty tome, it's a very brief book, and I will give you information.

I know that Banner of Truth has an edition of it that you can get at banneroftruth .org, banneroftruth .org,

but there are other publishers that also have that,

I believe, or at least sell the Banner of Truth edition of it. But this is a doctrine, just to tell you briefly about my own discovery of it.

When I was first a born -again believer, after having been raised Roman Catholic, I came to an understanding of the true

Gospel in my mid -twenties, and I at first thought of, just as many

Arminians and non -Calvinists do, I thought of the doctrine of limited atonement and, in fact, unconditional election as well as horrible and ugly and just terrifying concepts.

But when the Lord opened my eyes to these truths, the doctrine of definite atonement personalized my faith in so much more of a radical way, my faith with Christ.

It's interesting, I don't know if you have any kind of similar thoughts, Pastor Goliger, but many

Reformed people criticize Arminianism and the church at large outside of the

Reformed faith as being too individual and personal and not stressing enough the importance of the corporate body of Christ, and I think that those criticisms are accurate.

But at the same time, when I discovered and believed the doctrine of definite atonement, it made me realize for the first time that when

Jesus Christ was breathing his last breath upon Calvary, I was actually on his mind.

It wasn't a faceless sea of humanity that he was dying for, and dying for an endless innumerable sea of humanity with just a hope that they would become redeemed.

He actually redeemed me on Calvary, and it was a sign -sealed -and -delivered mission accomplished, and it radicalized my personal understanding of God's love for me, of Christ's death for me personally.

Did you have any kind of a similar thought on that? Well, absolutely. I mentioned my very first public talk.

To my youth, fellowship was on definite atonement. One of the things that struck me from the very beginning was in my favorite chapter of the

Bible, John chapter 17, as Jesus is acting as the high priest, and he is consecrating the sacrifice that's going to be offered for the sins of his people.

As he's doing that, he says to his Father, For these

I sanctify myself, for those you have given me out of the world. They belong to you, you've given them to me, and for their sakes

I consecrate myself. That is, he is setting himself aside to be the sacrifice that will be offered on the altar of Calvary for the sins of those the

Father has given to him. It is those people that he had chosen out of the world and that belong to him that he is setting himself apart so that he might be the sacrifice that redeems them.

Amen. And every word in that section of John 17 embraces me, embraces you, embraces each individual person that God has chosen and given to Christ.

And that's beyond words, really. Amen. And my friend, you may have heard of him, he's a long -time, very close friend of mine,

Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries. When he has debated on the issue of limited or definite atonement, he has focused on the

High Priestly Prayer because it is so clear in those texts.

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We have a listener who says, this is Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who says,

My Arminian friends are constantly telling me that there is no biblical support for the doctrine of limited or definite atonement.

I know that you already brought up the high priestly prayer of Jesus Christ. Can you mention some other biblical texts that would support, if not outright prove, limited or definite atonement?

So when the angel is speaking to Joseph, the father of Jesus, the stepfather or official father of Jesus, he's making a reference to the naming of Jesus.

He tells Joseph that Jesus is to be called Jesus. Jesus means

Jehovah saves. And the mission that Jesus has as Jehovah saves, the mission is he will save his people from their sins.

Now the language of his people, in the global view of the

Bible, it refers to the people that God has chosen. It refers to the Israel of God.

God chooses Israel for himself. He calls them his people. He will be to them their

God. They will be to him his people. He has these people in view.

These people are going to be extended to include Gentiles. And so when

Jesus goes to the cross and dies for these people and secures their salvation,

Jesus is enacting his own name by becoming who he is.

That is Jehovah who saves. And whom did he save?

He saves his people from their sins. So the very name Jesus in itself in the way in which it's used in the

Gospels of him as the Savior has a distinguishing element to it because he comes to save his people from their sins.

So I think that that is one major line of thought behind death and atonement.

Yes, and one of the verses that I bring up as well, even though many people might not recognize this text to specifically discuss the nature of the atonement, but I think it really speaks loud and clear about it.

And that's in Ephesians chapter 5 where we have in verse 25,

Husbands love your wives just as Christ also loved the church and gave himself up for her so that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word that he might present to himself the church in all her glory, having not spot nor wrinkle or any such thing, but that she would be holy and blameless.

To me, because of the fact that Paul is obviously telling husbands to love their wives in a unique way outside any other person or woman in the world, the fact that Christ laid down his life for her, to me, meaning the church, that it's a picture of the church, would not make sense if Christ laid down his life for every single woman or person in the world.

Am I making sense here? Absolutely. I think that's very important because in the

Old Testament, Israel, who are the people of God, is described as the wife of the

Lord, Jehovah. In the New Testament, the church is called the bride of Jehovah Jesus.

And the link in both of those is that the work of redemption is accomplished for them.

I mean, the other passage, if we're looking for another one, is in Ephesians chapter 1 itself in which

God is blessed for blessing the church that Paul is writing to and he identifies with the church in Ephesus.

With every spiritual blessing in heavenly realms, he begins with the choice of God. He chose us in him before the foundation of the world.

He chose us with a view to adoption as sons through Jesus, with the praise of his glorious grace, in which he has blessed us in the beloved that is in the

Lord Jesus. In him we, that is those who have been chosen, in him before the foundation of the world.

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses according to the riches of his grace, which he set forth in Christ.

In other words, if you follow the line of thinking there, Paul is speaking about the church.

He's speaking about the church in Ephesus. He's speaking about the church more broadly. He's speaking about those whom

God has chosen for adoption and the redemption of those people through the blood of Christ on their behalf.

So definite atonement runs through that entire section of Ephesians chapter 1. And do you think that very often the errors in Christendom when it comes to the atonement, they start very often with a wrong emphasis, especially when you're talking about our evangelical

Protestant friends who are not Reformed, who are Arminian, even if they wouldn't call themselves that.

They focus too much on the people for whom Christ died, rather than what

Christ did when he died. And as the theme of the

Philadelphia Conference of Reformed Theology insinuates, or boldly states more than insinuates, redemption accomplished and applied.

It's interesting that if you ask your average Arminian Christian, as I have done,

I've said, do you believe that the redemption is totally accomplished by Christ on the cross? They will say yes.

And I will say to them, well, do you believe Christ died for every single person that has ever lived and will ever live, even those that are in hell?

Yes, I do. Well, how could their redemption be accomplished then?

And I usually get a pause of silence, and then another text is brought up.

They run away from the issue of what actually happened on Calvary.

Isn't that really the most important thing to be focusing on, is what did Christ do on Calvary?

Yes, I think the driving principle is when it says that he shall save his people, question, did he, or did he not?

When it says God chose us for adoption, and in Christ we have redemption, did he redeem us or not?

And I think the answer to that is that Jesus does what he came to do.

He achieves the result that he came to achieve.

He secures the people for himself that he came to secure. And it seems to me we can say about the death of Jesus, this is the death of the

God -man. By virtue of the fact that it's the death of the God -man, it has a supreme value.

It has an infinite value and worth. But that's not saying why he did it.

He did it to secure eternally the salvation of his people. And that's precisely what we find that he does.

The people that he died for are saved. Amen. And I have had a friend of mine, and I've had others bring this up as well, but I'm thinking specifically of one pastor friend of mine who is a fundamentalist

Baptist and vehement anti -Calvinist. But I can still remember him during a disagreement that we were having.

He brought up John 1 .29, where the next day he saw

Jesus coming to him, this is John the Baptist, and said, Behold the

Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. And I said to him,

Well, you're putting the emphasis on the word world. How about, Behold the

Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. And if you believe that he takes away the sin of the entire world, hell would be empty.

There would be no such place as a place of eternal conscious torment.

He takes away the sin. That is, I think, the more glorious and amazing aspect of this declaration, is that he takes away the sin.

It has to mean, the only way that this makes sense, unless you are a full -blown universalist who believes everyone, including

Satan, will be in heaven, it makes no sense to view this in any other way than to believe that the world, in contrast to Israel, meaning those from out of every tribe, tongue, and people, and nation.

Maybe you have a different approach to that, if you could. Yeah, if you look at John's Gospel, it seems to me that one of the key moments in John's Gospel is in chapter 4, where Jesus meets a

Samaritan woman. What's interesting about that whole event is that the richest theology that Jesus gives to anybody in the

Gospel of John, he gives to that Samaritan woman. He teaches her about the Trinity. But the upshot of his interaction with that woman is that she goes to the people in her village and she says, this is the

Savior of the world that's come. In other words, she learned from talking to this

Jew, and Jesus was very straight with her. He told her, salvation is of the

Jews. Salvation is of the Jews. But she took it that he had come as a

Jew into her village in order that he might save her and save people in her village who were

Samaritan and not Jews. In other words, she understood the mission of Jesus on the basis of the conversation she had with him to be a mission that involved the world.

That is, as you just said, people from every tribe and nation fulfilling the promise to Abraham that through him all the nations and all the families of the earth would be blessed.

So I think if we're going to be consistent here, what is meant in chapter 4 must be the same as is meant in chapter 1.

But the world has to do with the extent of the spread of the salvation that he will accomplish for his people.

His people are going to be drawn from all the families of the earth. Yeah, I think the greater burden is on the part of those who believe in a universal atonement, that reject limited or particular atonement or definite atonement.

The greater burden is on their part to find anywhere in the scripture where Jesus, through his death, provided a hypothetical redemption.

Yes, correct. Where he was just making salvation possible, not saving anyone.

I can recall hearing a quote by a Nazarene seminary professor who rightly understood, and when

I say rightly understood, I don't mean that he correctly understood what the scriptures teach. But he rightly understood the dilemma in the fact that Armenians use the term, today anyway, they use the term equally with Calvinists, substitutionary atonement.

And this seminary professor, this Nazarene Armenian, Wesleyan Armenian seminary professor realized that that could not be true.

And he was actually chiding or chastising, scolding his fellow Armenians for using the term substitutionary atonement.

And he said, do not use that term, because if Jesus died for all, and he died as a substitute for every single person that ever lived, everyone would be going to heaven.

And that is the only way that you could logically understand it if you have a universal understanding of the atonement.

Am I right? Absolutely. Correct. Totally. He's either a successful Savior, or he's a maybe

Savior. And we can't have a maybe Savior. We need a Savior who saves the utmost.

And that is the Savior we have. And we don't need to shy away from the words like the world, or I will draw all men unto myself.

He will draw all that the Father has given unto himself. And they will come from all men, that is all kinds of men, and all parts of the world.

So that we find ourselves today, the church is actually mostly in Africa, and Asia, and South America, mostly in the northern hemisphere anymore.

But God is drawing people to himself from every part of the globe. Yes, do you think that one of the reasons why so many people, especially in Western culture, they have been raised, and Christians have been raised for centuries, is the majority of the

Christian era has been dominated by Gentile Christians.

And they forget how amazing, and even infuriating, the understanding of God's people being outside of the ethnic people of Israel.

They don't get that concept. So when the word world is being used in the

New Testament, it's a powerful thing that is lost on the

Gentile ear, perhaps. They don't understand how that would have, if somebody was an unregenerate

Jewish person who was religious, that would have made them furious. And of course they would be forgetting their own

Hebrew scriptures about that they were supposed to be a light unto the Gentiles. But that was something that annoyed and greatly infuriated people who were

Jewish, wasn't it? Absolutely. In the book of Isaiah, for example, in chapter 2, you have the nation, the

Gentiles, the Goyim, coming to a Jew and asking the way of salvation. And Jesus is that Jew who brings salvation to the

Gentile world. You have them later on in Isaiah coming like doves back to their nests, coming from all the ends of the earth, and they're coming to Zion, the city of God, and becoming part of the people of God.

When that woman of Samaria went and told those people in her village, is this the

Savior of the world? She understood herself to belong to the world that is outside of Judaism.

And for her, this was the greatest of all good news, that Jesus had come for someone like her, not only morally and so on, but because of her religious background and because she was outside of Judaism, a mixed race, whatever.

And yet he had come for her. That chapter 4 of John is a significant chapter in understanding what's going on.

And then the second chapter, the 12th chapter, where the

Greeks come seeking Jesus, and Jesus speaks to them about his being glorified through the cross and so on, and if he falls into the ground, he'll come forth and bring forth fruit abundantly and so on.

And that includes the Gentiles. That's a much bigger thing. You're quite right, that's a much bigger thing.

I think that we forget, we don't think enough of the scandal of that as it was to the people of Jesus' day.

Yes, and Charles Spurgeon has brought up in the 19th century how totally ironic it would be that Christ would die for the sins of people already in hell before he was even nailed to the cross.

And of course, I think chronologically, I believe that the lake of fire where the damned are cast into,

I think that that is a future event to us now. But obviously, after death, there is some form of hell that the lost are cast into before their bodies are raised and they are thrown, both body and soul, into hell.

But they are still in hell and it makes no sense for Jesus to have gotten up on that cross and died for those people, too.

If you believe in a universal atonement, that's the only way that you could understand that.

Even those that were already dead with no hope of salvation, he died for them as well.

It doesn't make any sense, as Spurgeon, I think, wisely pointed out. Yes, absolutely. Well, if you could, in two minutes, summarize, before we move on to our next theme, which is sanctification by grace in our next hour, if you could summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners regarding redemption accomplished in a plot.

It is that when our Lord Jesus came from heaven and was named as Jehovah Saves, it was his great mission in life to enact in his life, death, and resurrection, what his name prophesied and meant.

He was Yahweh, in other words, he was the Lord. He was himself Jehovah come to save his people.

He's the one who would come to comfort the people with the great message of comfort you find in Isaiah 40, that to proclaim that the warfare was ended, the enmity between God and man resolved, that iniquity was pardoned, and that God had come to give double mercy for all their sins.

All of that in the Lord who would come. Here he is, arrived to achieve it, and he achieves it on the cross, where he pays the ransom.

The ransom is the cost of his own life, where he redeems us from the curse, from death, from sin, from Satan, where he propitiates, turns away the wrath of God against us.

He himself feels the impact of that wrath on himself. And as he dies the death, we should have died in our place as our representative.

In doing that, what does he achieve? He achieves the bringing of many sons into glory.

Out of the agony of his soul, he achieves a full and final and complete salvation for his people.

Amen. Jesus saves. He doesn't try. Jesus saves. Yeah. And we are going to our midway break right now.

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Liam Gallagher, the senior minister at the 10th

Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, we just have some important announcements to make regarding upcoming events that I hope that you all will attend, especially if you geographically are able to do so.

The first is actually an interview that I'm going to let you know about or remind you about. Tomorrow, here on Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio, Jeff Kingswood is my pastor.

My guest, although I would love to have Jeff Kingswood as a pastor, even though I love my current pastors,

I'm not saying I'm going to jump ship and go to another church, but Jeff Kingswood would be a fine pastor for any

Christian. He is the pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church of Woodstock, Ontario, Canada, and he is going to be addressing the person and work of the

Holy Spirit tomorrow on Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio. So I hope that you listen at 4 to 6 p .m.

Eastern Time to hear Jeff Kingswood. Also, the conference that we have been discussing, the

Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology, is this weekend, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, April 26th, 27th, and 28th, and it is being held at the

Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania. The theme is the theme that we discussed during the first hour of our program today, redemption accomplished and applied.

The guest speakers at this conference are my guest today,

Liam Gulliger, and also D .A. Carson, a really extraordinary Baptist preacher who is also a

Reformed brother, Kevin DeYoung, and David Murray. I'm looking forward to,

God willing, hearing David Murray this weekend. He is such a gift to God's church, a professor at Puritan Reform Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan, who has been on this program a number of times, and David Murray was actually a personal blessing to me enormously after my precious late wife went home to be with the

Lord, and it was great to have David minister to me and give me his book on depression, and I will never forget him for that.

But if you want more information on this conference, which is being held, as I said, this weekend,

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, the 26th, 27th, and 28th of April, go to AllianceNet .org,

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Philadelphia Conference on Reformed Theology. Coming up after that, coming up in May, let's see here, we have, actually,

I'm sorry, it's still in this month of April. In fact, it's this week as well.

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Christmas lunch. And I agreed, and we did that for years. My wife went home to the

Lord for eternity, and I relaunched these pastor's luncheons, and they continue to grow numerically, and I just hope that as many of you can come as possible.

Just please, for the sake of having a head count, let me know ahead of time as soon as possible. Send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com

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Then, after that, the Banner of Truth East Coast Ministers Conference is being held May 28th through the 30th.

That's Tuesday, May 28th through Thursday, May 30th in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania at Elizabethtown College.

On the theme, I Believe in the Holy Spirit. Speakers include the aforementioned

Jeff Kingswood, who is my guest tomorrow on I Interpret Zion Radio, Terry Johnson, David Vaughn, Stephen Nichols, who is the president of Reformation Bible College, the college founded by the late

R .C. Sproul and Ligonier Ministries, Michael Morales, and Chad Vegas. That's May 28th through the 30th in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

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Ask around, where's Chris Arnzen of I Interpret Zion Radio, and hopefully you'll be able to find me. I want to meet as many of my

I Interpret Zion Radio listeners as possible at this event. Another event that I am registered for and looking forward to with bated breath is the

Foundations Conference in New York City, Manhattan, to be specific. This is a conference of sermon audio, and I love going to this conference.

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Dr. Stephen J. Lawson, who you've been hearing, advertising New Covenant Church NYC in Manhattan, one of the sponsors of this program.

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Paul Washer, another one of America's finest preachers, will be speaking on this roster,

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G3 Conference is being held this January 2020, and I am already registered for that as well.

I am so excited about this conference this coming January, which will be on worship, and it is being held

Thursday, January 16th through Saturday, January 18th. The speakers include

Kosti Hinn, a remarkable pastor who is actually, believe it or not, the nephew of the notorious charlatan faith healer,

Benny Hinn. Well, Kosti Hinn has repented of word -of -faith heresies, and his mission in life is to expose those charlatans, including his own uncle.

He is a Reformed Baptist and cessationist now, Kosti Hinn. He is on the roster at the G3 Conference this

January. David Miller, who is a really fiery preacher, old -school preacher.

I really love hearing David Miller proclaim the gospel. Derek Thomas, what a phenomenal addition and blessing to the body of Christ he is.

He is on the roster. My dear friend since the 1990s, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries will be speaking.

Joel Beakey, a very good friend of mine going back to the 90s as well. Josh Peiss, the founder of the

G3 Conference. Paul Washer, once again, he is on the roster at this conference.

Stephen Lawson, again, is going to be speaking there. My friend Tom Askall, president of Founders Ministries.

And Voie Baucom, another one of the most extraordinary preachers that we have on the planet

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If you could, Pastor Goliger, if you could define what sanctification means. This is,

I think, a very important thing to know what that means because you have the Roman Catholic Church and you have cults blurring the distinction between justification and sanctification, and that is a very serious and deadly error to make.

But if you could define sanctification. Well, perhaps, as you've just indicated, we need to clarify that justification is

God's declaration of our pardon and acceptance, the fact that we have been put right with God, that there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

And that is an absolute declarative act on God's behalf in relation to us.

And our justification is received by faith as we trust in Christ and in Christ alone for our salvation.

Sanctification, on the other hand, is not a declaration. It is a work that has begun in the life, in the heart, the mind, the soul of the believer.

So we're moving from a declarative act, which is the judge on the bench declaring someone to be something that they were not before, from condemnation to justification.

Sanctification is a work of the Holy Spirit by which we are made more and more like the

God who has saved us, which is to say we are made more holy because God is holy.

Now holiness, let me think about holiness for a moment. Holiness is something we say about God.

God is the Holy One of Israel. He is referred to as the Holy One in our midst.

And when we use the word holy of God, we're using it in an absolute sense.

God is not like us. So when we talk about the holiness of God, we're talking about the fact that He is incomparable.

He is ineffable. We can't get our heads around Him. He is infinitely above us.

He is self -existing, self -originating, self -sustaining. And He's outside of all of our categories.

We're not saying that holiness is a thing. There was a man once who wrote a book.

Rudolf Otto was his name, called Der Heiliger. The holy, as if the holy was a kind of thing, a phenomena, a something.

No, when we talk about the holiness of God, we're talking about who God is all the way through. If I can use that language.

We sometimes talk about the attributes of God. Holy, wise, love, and so on. But we mustn't think of those things as if those are appendages to God.

God does not have appendages. God is who He is. God, in His essence, is the fact that He exists.

I am, He says. So He's holy all the way through. And all the way through, He's not us.

He's not a creature. He's not comparable to anything within our experience.

And is set apart from everything. And yet, here's where the grace aspect comes in.

In Scripture, the very thing that makes God different from us, and apart from us, and dare

I say it, against us, because we are unholy, the very thing that is

God's holiness, is the very way in which God approaches humans.

So when God comes to Moses in the desert, God says, Take off your shoes and mop your feet, for the ground on which you stand is holy ground.

The self -burning fire, the self -fueling fire, Moses sees is an image, a picture of God's self -originating life.

And God approaches Moses on the basis of His holiness.

When God comes to Isaiah in the temple, God appears to him in His majestic splendor, the majesty of God.

And the angels, the seraphim, are singing, Holy, holy, holy Lord God almighty, the whole earth is full of your glory.

And the prophet begins to come apart, because to be in the presence of God is to be the presence of holiness.

Holiness is destructive of sin, and Isaiah realizes, I'm a sinner, and he is beginning to be destroyed.

But God reaches out of His holiness, this man, and cleanses him.

And then, ultimately, when God appears, when God comes into the world

Himself, in our human nature, when God becomes flesh, He comes as the

Holy One. The angels, sorry, the demons recognize that.

They refer to Jesus as the Holy One of God. When the angel is telling

Mary about His conception, he refers to Jesus, conceived in Mary's womb, as the

Holy One. The disciples said of Jesus that He was holy, harmless, and undefiled.

When God comes actually to be for us, in salvation, He comes as the

Holy One. So the very thing that makes Him different from us is the very vehicle through which

He comes and approaches us. And then, supremely, of course, when we come to know

Christ by salvation, in salvation, the new birth is the work of the

Holy Spirit who comes to dwell within us. So He is the

Holy One, not only in our midst, but He is the Holy One within us. The indwelling

Holy Spirit begins a work in the believer's heart and life.

And so sanctification is the working out of the presence of the

Holy One within the believer, the individual believer, who Paul calls a saint,

Holy One. We have been made holy by the presence of the Holy One in our midst and within us through the

Holy Spirit. So that's the beginning of an understanding of where we're going with this.

We have a listener named Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says,

Is not one of the reasons why it is very dangerous and deadly to mix sanctification and justification as if they are the same thing, is because sanctification, unlike our justification, involves human effort.

Yes, we have to distinguish between God's declaration of our salvation, which is rested entirely on the work of Christ for us, and the sanctification that God is working within us.

Now, I think in sanctification, the work of the

Holy Spirit is to renew us from the inside, renewing our thoughts and enabling our works to be good, number one, and two, to be pleasing to God.

So before I'm a Christian, my works aren't good and my works aren't pleasing to God.

That is not to say that I don't do good things before I become a Christian. It's not to say that I don't help people or love people or care for people.

But they don't pant with God. But when I become a

Christian and the Holy Spirit is dwelling within me, He cleans up all my works so that they are recognizable, if you like, to God.

We're using human language here. They're recognizable as good, and two, they are pleasing to God.

And what the Holy Spirit does in the whole work of sanctification is to encourage, in terms of our affections, in terms of the interest that we have, us towards love and good works.

They're entirely the work of the Holy Spirit stirring them up within us. And we are freed by the

Holy Spirit to cooperate with God as a result of our being born again and having the

Holy Spirit indwell us. So your caller is right to distinguish very, very clearly justification and sanctification and to emphasize that in sanctification we are not working for our salvation.

We're working from our salvation. We're working our salvation out in the attitudes and actions, motivations, as well as the ministry and life that we live as we begin to show

Christ. Amen. And would an analogy be proper?

Although many analogies, if not most, that are not purely out of the pages of Scripture fall short in some way.

But if a child loves his parents, he is going to, especially when he is old enough to do things for his parents, he's going to perhaps mow their lawn.

He's going to do repairs around their home. He's going to, especially when they are elderly, purchase groceries for them and do things for them that they could not do themselves, that perhaps they couldn't even leave the homes where they live.

They have reached a point of being elderly or disabled. And the children who truly love their parents are going to be caring for them.

They don't become their children by doing those things. They don't win the prize of being considered children because they care for their parents and do good deeds for their parents.

They do those things because they are true children of their parents who truly love them.

Would that be in some way an analogy of the difference between justification and sanctification?

Yes, I think that would be a good way to distinguish the two things. We are now children of God by adoption, but not only by adoption, primarily by adoption, but also because He has imparted

His nature to us. He has given us a bit of God, we might say, in giving us the

Holy Spirit. That's a very bad way of expressing it. By giving us the Holy Spirit, He has given us both the

Spirit and, as Jesus said to the disciples in the upper room, I'm sending you another

Comforter who is the same as me, who will be with you and He will be in you. And He will come to you.

And I will come to you. And my Father and I will come to you.

Because you can't have one member of the Trinity without having the Trinity because God is one.

And so we have the Spirit of Glory and of God dwelling within us. We are able, this is the thing, by having come to Christ as Christian people, we are able to obey

God. We are able to say no to sin. We are able to be killing sin.

We are able to obey the commandments because of the indwelling power of the

Holy Spirit. We don't have to worry about not being able to do it. We are enabled by the

Spirit to obey God and to live for God in the world. Sometimes we need a bit of motivation.

Sometimes we need to be rebuked. Sometimes we need to be stirred up to love and good works. But the ability lies within us because of our new birth.

We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who says,

There are ecumenists among us, even amongst our Reformed brethren, who believe that although these issues may have importance, they are not important enough to discount the brotherhood or sisterhood of someone who claims to be a

Christian and yet denies justification by faith alone. Why is this so an important issue that we would disagree with them?

Why is this, in other words, a salvific issue of the Gospel itself? Why is it so important that we understand that Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe.

Sin has left its crimson stain. He washes us white as snow. Why is that so important, as the hymn writer says?

The essence of being a Christian is to confess with your mouth that Jesus is

Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead. That takes a new birth to be able to say that, to be able to know that in your heart and in order to confess that Jesus Christ is

Lord. That's what we're saved by. We're saved by believing the

Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's important, however, for the

Church to express the Gospel and to explain the Gospel in a biblical and coherent way, and while there may be people who are saved, so they have the essence of salvation within them, they believe in Jesus as God, and they believe that God raised them from the dead, which is what it means to be saved according to Romans 10 and 9.

Nonetheless, it is for any essay, as it says in Latin, that is, the being of a

Christian requires you to confess Jesus as Lord, but the well -being of you as a

Christian is to understand more fully how it is that you are saved by confessing

Jesus as Lord and believing in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and the well -being aspect is to be found in clear understanding of doctrine, clear understanding of the faith, which is why it's such an important issue that we clarify the errors that there are in teaching about how salvation works.

I think I would caution us all in saying this, we are not saved by whether or not we understand how salvation works.

We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ as our

Savior and Lord and by trusting in Him and in Him alone for salvation. That's what saves us.

It's the faith in Christ that saves us. It's not faith in the explanation of that.

If you go to Romans chapter 1, where I was describing in chapter 1 what the gospel is, he declares that it's the gospel of God, it's the gospel of God's Son.

He's declared to be Son by His resurrection and the work of the

Spirit. That's what it means to be a Christian. The rest of Romans is taken up with explaining how it is that that's what it takes to be a

Christian. So there are many people, I think, who trust in Christ but have not heard the explanation.

They need to be taught the explanation. They need to be taught Reformed theology if they're going to enjoy a

Christian faith and have the assurance and joy of being part of the family of God.

Does that make sense? Yes. Well, I think that I may understand you correctly if I look at the book of Galatians.

The Apostle Paul, he despised the false gospel of the

Judaizers where anything was added to faith in order to justify a man. But he did treat the

Judaizers who were the actual evangelists of falsehood.

They were the proselytizers of a damning gospel. He treated them differently than the

Galatians who were duped by them, at least temporarily duped by them.

Because he does call, even though he scolds them and calls them fools and says they were bewitched, he calls them his brothers in the letter to Galatians.

But he does not have any word of familial kindness to the

Judaizers. He says that they are to be accursed. He doesn't offer a hope of salvation for them if they remain that way, of course.

So would you say that there is a difference between the patience God has when mixed up and confused people, especially in the earlier stages of their faith, may have in their minds, there's a difference between that and a pastor or a missionary or evangelist or a media personality or author who is a studied person whose life is dedicated to teach a gospel that is false?

That's correct. I think that those who teach will be judged all the more severely.

And we have to warn people against the false teaching with absolute clarity, no hesitation about that.

I think our churches are full of people who are confused, who don't grasp everything, just for a whole host of reasons.

That's why we have to keep emphasizing the simplicity of faith in Christ as the basis of our salvation.

And we must also emphasize the need to teach people so that the more they learn of the gospel, the more they learn why it is that their faith in Christ saves them, the more happy they'll be in Jesus.

And that's one of the great goals of doctrinal teaching in the churches.

And don't you think, as merciful as God is, we know that he only has eternal mercy on his elect, and we should never be satisfied, not only in our own understanding, but in the understanding of our loved ones or neighbors.

We should never be satisfied with, well, they say they believe in Jesus, but everything else they believe is idolatrous and taking credit for themselves for salvation.

We'll let them pass on that, and we'll trust that they're our brothers and sisters. Don't we have to be more diligent to warn them of damnation because of these false beliefs?

They need taught. They need to be directed to the scriptures. They need the Holy Spirit to open their eyes to these things, and we need to be praying for them and taking every opportunity to show them from the scriptures the things that they need to grasp for understanding their faith.

And if they're actually claiming to be trusting in works, then we need to challenge that, as Paul did with Peter, and we need to be challenging people as gently or as firmly or even as strongly as we need to, depending on the individual and the degree to which the individual is not grasping the fundamentals of the faith.

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Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest has been for the entire program, Liam Gallagher, the senior minister at 10th

Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. We are now concluding our discussion on sanctification by grace, and if you have a question, please send it immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

That's chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com. We do have a listener,

RJ in White Plains, New York, who says, Reverend Gallagher, don't you think the issue of the absolute necessity of sanctification is important in a day and age when anybody calling themselves a

Christian is deemed to be someone headed for heaven, when we are surrounded by the millions globally with false converts who think wrongly they are saved only because they have a profession and not an inward transformation?

This is fundamental. I think that we do our congregations a disservice if we don't teach them that trusting

Christ alone for salvation is the basis of our justification, but that the evidence of our justification is the outworking of that, is the desire to live for God, the desire to please

God. It is the motivating force of the new birth that I want my life to conform more and more to my

Heavenly Father, that I long to be more like Jesus and to be purified, to let the

Son of God work a purification within my heart, purifying my thoughts and my motives and my actions on an ongoing basis.

I think we need to be preaching this to our people. I think perhaps we're afraid of preaching it to our people.

Maybe we think if we preach sanctification to our people, our people will start trusting in their good works for their salvation.

That's nonsense. If they're trusting in Christ for salvation, we can be emphasizing that very thing and yet at the same time be saying, now you are

Christ's, then you must die to sin and live to righteousness.

You must be killing sin and you must be pursuing a holy life, a life that is more and more like your

Heavenly Father, becoming more and more like Jesus in your daily walk.

You can do it. You can do it. If you're a believer, you can do it because the Holy Spirit is within you. If you say to me you cannot do it, then the

Holy Spirit doesn't live within you. That's the bottom line. There is no reason why a believer indwelt by the

Holy Spirit cannot begin the steps towards becoming more and more like his

Savior. Well, now I want you to, if you could, please summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today regarding the subject of sanctification by grace before we go off the air.

I think I want you to think of sanctification as the most beautiful thing, not a trial, not a burden, not a task, but a beautiful thing that God does inside of us by making us more and more like the

Lord Jesus, thinking the way Jesus thought, acting as Jesus would, and that in doing so we become closer to God, Amen.

Well, I want you all to remember that my guest today, Pastor Liam Gallagher, will be speaking in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania this weekend at the

Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology on the theme Redemption Accomplished and Applied.

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Redemption Accomplished and Applied. This is being held at the Proclamation Presbyterian Church of Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania.

That's this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, April 26th, 27th, and the 28th.

God willing, I will be there. Look for me. Ask around, Where's Chris Arnzen from Iron Trip and Zion Radio, and I hope to see you there.

Don't forget that tomorrow, our guest is Jeff Kingswood. Jeff Kingswood is going to be one of the speakers at the

Banner of Truth Conference, which is coming up in May, and he's my guest tomorrow, discussing the person and work of the

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Philadelphia Conference on Reformed Theology, and I hope that you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater