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Welcome to the truth and love podcast. Thank you for joining us. We're so grateful that you're here with us tonight We're going to talk about in times interpretation
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Mysteries revealed. We hope you will stick around Thank you again for watching the truth and love podcast, we're grateful that you're here with us
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Let us know you're watching say hello ask questions. We'll try to have give you an answer. Hopefully the right one
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If not, we'll look it up. We'd love to be able to pray for you as well All you got to do is say me and we'll see that we'll pray for you tonight, we're gonna be talking again about in times post -millennial ism and Secrets revealed
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We hope you enjoy the podcast as we talk about in times But there's there's something interesting about this discussion that we have
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Dan as post millennialist and it's the first part of Your chapter here that you sent me the first or one of the first paragraphs in this chapter
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And I was thinking about it last week. We didn't get to bring it up. We ran out of time, but It's very interesting as Post -millennialist a lot of the verses that we talk about Our verses in from the post -millennial perspective are not in times verses
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Right, we talk about these verses I think for two reasons one
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Because they are in times verses for other in times
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What do you call them theologies Yeah, it's theologies theologies other in times views
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They they are verses for those and I think that's one of the reasons why we we bring it up is because You know, we have to say well from the post -mill perspective
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These are not according to Scripture According to our perspective our interpretation of Scripture.
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These are not actually in times of verses and and here's why And then the other reason at least not the end of times that deals with the end of the world.
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Right, right Yeah, right So we would And well, how would we say it these are verses that would talk about the end of the age versus the end of the world
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Yeah, yeah and end of the Old Covenant age and of the Old Testament stuff like that yeah, and then well the the other reason that we bring it up is is less to do with Post -millennialism because when we get to post -millennialism, that's an in times view.
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We will look at other verses Sure, which I hope that we'll eventually get to but the other reason that we look at these verses comes from our partial preterism view, which is
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Do what? Yeah, yeah Those other guys went overboard.
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We didn't we didn't stop short. They went overboard. Let's see. They call it full preterism or Heretical preterism
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Heretical heretical preterism Yeah Hyper preterism.
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Yeah, like hyper Calvinism hyper. There's there's all kinds of ditches that you can fall in But the the
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Orthodox or partial preterist position we look these verses Because the partial or Orthodox preterism is tied to the post -millennial position
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Can be yeah. Yeah, so that's why we look at these verses to show while we think many of these verses
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Were fulfilled in the past which is what preterism means past and yeah, because really if you're gonna if you're gonna try to Show your case and even convince people that what you're doing isn't something wild and off -the -wall
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Then if no 80 % of the other views out there view these verses as being
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Relevant to the end times or eschatology, then you've at least got to mention them Even better you should say what you believe about them what you believe that they're actually saying
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That's right And you say so with the consistent hermeneutic all the way through That way people know that you're not just coming here and then taking a left turn to avoid
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Something that goes against your positions. I know I've been using the same Method of Bible interpretation the whole way and that leads me to the conclusions that I've come to right, right and Of course, we want people to just you know
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If you're listening and you hold to the pre -millennial dispensational view Of course You want people to to come to your side and believe because you believe that your side is the biblical side?
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And of course, that's the position that we would hold, you know, we feel like we have Done our due diligence to the best of our ability.
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We believe this is the the correct interpretation So we want people to come to our side So we won't but we want to honor and respect
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People as as brothers and sisters in Christ and say, you know, look
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Just like us we we were open to change our view at one point because I you know,
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I was to the best of my knowledge of pre -millennial dispensationalist because that was that was the only position that I ever knew existed and and and I was was not a quote
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Calvinist at one time Not I wasn't a reformed Baptist at one time And so I had to be open to let the scripture tell me what to believe
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That's that's the stance that I want to take that's where we want to be firm. Would you agree with that?
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Yes We want to be firm in that let the
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Bible tell us what we should believe and not impute our beliefs
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We got a question great you guys said that the end of the age was 8070
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Matthew 1339 says the harvest slash resurrection happened at the end of the age Did the resurrection happen at 70
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AD? No No There's there's several things going on here one in Matthew 13
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It's talking about something different See exactly by the way, thank you for the question.
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That's cool Matthew 139 sure What you have going on in Matthew 13 is is an explanation of what's going to happen when the kingdom comes upon the earth
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So you've got the kingdom of God that's coming upon the earth Go go into verse 36 is
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Then he left the crowds and went into the house and his disciples came to him saying explain to us the parable of the weeds and of the field
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So the one who sows The good seed is the son of man. The field is the world and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom
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The weeds are the sons of the evil one. So what you have there is you have the kingdom of God already being there so it
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The age in question is the age that we're presently living in the one where the kingdom of God is ruling over the earth
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It's going Going around doing its thing so and the enemy who sowed them is the devil the harvest is at the end of the age and the
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Reapers are angels just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire so will it be at the end of the age the son of man will send his angels and They will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all lawbreakers throw them into the fiery furnace
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In that place will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So what you have is you have an imperfect
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Kingdom of God that will at one that will at some point in the future at the final resurrection at the final judgment
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Separate the wheat from the tares. You'll have the the evil ones taken out of The kingdom of God so that way there will be no more it says
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The son of man will send it will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all
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Lawbreakers and throw them into the fiery furnace in that place. They'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth so that that right there is talking about the end of The end of all time the end of the church age if you will the end of the
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The time when Jesus returns again to separate to to raise the living and the dead to judge them to separate good from evil and to usher in the eternal state
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So I don't think that's talking about the same Time period is what Jesus is speaking of in Matthew 23 and 24.
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I think he's talking about two different things there right and I think Probably where the the questioning comes from is because we use the we use the word the term age the end of the age it's to the end of the world and Then here, you know, it's it's talking about the end of the end of the age
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And I was just I was gonna pull it up to see if we could look up the interlinear ages aeon
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Right He's talking about in Matthew 13 all together is
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He's speaking in parables and he says in verse 10. Then the disciples came and said to him.
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Why do you speak in parables? He said to you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven
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But to them it has not been granted. So why is he why is he speaking in parables?
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He's speaking in parables because he's speaking about the nature of the kingdom of heaven So he's speaking about the the age that started at Christ's first coming and will end at his second coming whereas in Matthew 23 24
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He's talking about the end of the Jewish age and the judgment upon that people for their rejection of Messiah right what
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I Know I saw the word world in there. Where did I see that at? I'm having a hard time finding it feel
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There it is. Verse Verse 38. I wanted to see what word is used cosmos
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Okay, which is which is one of the things that I want to point out. So we use the term we use the term age into the age and And Which was most of time we're talking about 70
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AD the end of the Old Covenant into the age but here is speaking of a different an age of a different time period and Daniel's talking about the kingdom the the kingdom of heaven the kingdom of Christ here on earth
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Same thing happens with the word world sometimes the word world is cosmos and sometimes it is
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What's the other Greek word oikomene Is that right?
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Sure. I Apologize if I'm wrong on that, but you have you know different Greek words
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And the word world can mean different things in different places and so can the the word age
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It context is key and I think Dan was I think that's what Dan was was getting at context is key
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Let's see what the other comment here is Jesus quotes Daniel 12 numerous times in Matthew 13 and It's playing off of that.
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Do you think Daniel 12 is future? No, I don't but We're we're going well depends on what part of Daniel 12
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But we're gonna talk a lot about Daniel 12 here in a little bit when we get to it but go over the abomination of desolation and And how that was used in Daniel how it's used in different places in Matthew 23 and 24.
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I'm trying to look for Old Testament quotes there in those verses 36 to 43 Is it just 43 that has an
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Old Testament quote? Let's see here.
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Let me look. I'm Sorry, I'm just looking at the cross -reference
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For Daniel or for Matthew 13 43. See there's a
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Daniel 12 3 So we can keep that in the back of our mind and when we get to Daniel Daniel chapter 12, so thank you for the question is good to that iron sharpens iron and we look at these things so Daniel 12 to answer your question
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Daniel 12 was future to Daniel, but not future to us
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So I think we want to start in and we totally forgot to do the video that I sent you To open up the program, but it's good.
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We've got we've got some questions in here The challenges so that's really good. We appreciate you watching
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While you're looking that up We'll just start in in Daniel chapter 2 and I know that I know that you
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Dan you spoke a good bit I think last time on Daniel chapter 2 but one thing that that struck me and I shared with you before the program
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Daniel chapter 2 is is the the vision of the statue and The different parts of the statue represents different kingdoms and the
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Daniel knew of three of those kingdoms and then the fourth one was was to come the the
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Roman Empire and Then the fifth kingdom was going to be the kingdom of Christ Which which was a little stone that that crushed basically the whole statue and what
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I found intriguing was that Every every part of that statue
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Represented a nation or a kingdom It never spoke about a religion it always spoke of Nations or kingdoms and then what's going to come to replace that's going to be an everlasting kingdom
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Or that's going to be an everlasting Thing is not a religion, but it's going to be a kingdom and it and it's a kingdom.
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So It made me think about how
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I was brought up the things that I learned growing up, you know, there's a soul focus on the gospel and conversion of souls and We don't get involved in politics there.
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There's a separation between religion and politics It's it's just about you know, the gospel and conversion of souls but here
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Jesus speaks in in Kingdom terms in the New Testament. Jesus speaks in Kingdom terms And the
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Great Commission is go baptize nations I'm not sure how we
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What happened what point in time where we left that out we we
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Switched it or or turned a blind eye to it But it's so to me that was intriguing when
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I was looking at the statue and saw What was being talked about and what was not being talked about yes
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Yes, the gospel is part of the kingdom is it's how you enter into the kingdom But but Jesus is
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Jesus is about taking over the whole world healing the whole world reconciling the whole world Not just the conversion of souls
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Right How however we don't want to we don't want to understand
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The the taking over the world as something that happens apart from the conversion of souls because really what we're saying is is not that That we're here to we're not here to change the world by imposing or enforcing
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Our our viewpoint on someone else it's not a top -down sort of thing, right?
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Even when you look at the what happens in in Daniel In Daniel 2 the the stone that is without hands comes and Destroys the nation's meat meaning that it's
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Christ's kingdom. It's something that's happening That's not of the same political
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Material that these other nations are are built from so when it smashes it
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It doesn't smash it through through the same means as they derive their power The the way that the the nations of the earth are destroyed is through the gospel of Jesus Christ Coming into the hearts of men and changing them from the inside out
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So when we want to disciple the nations like we've seen in Matthew 28 we don't necessarily mean we do
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Preach the goodness of God's Moral standards and laws and stuff but really what we want to see happen is
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The gospel going out changing the hearts of men who then in turn
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Just naturally adopt as their national standards and laws of the the things that are related to God things that are
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Put forward by God, so we're not trying to just heavy -handedly
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Enforce God's rule on people What we understand to happen is that things are the hearts of men are changed which in turn will change the way that Civil governments are formed and function because you'll have
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Christian folks Running things and so if they run things things will become more and more
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Christian, right? Well, and that's why we say it's it's Christ's kingdom. Sure.
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It's it's his method his means his way of doing it and and I think that That phraseology is used elsewhere the kingdom built without hands
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I I'm at a loss for a reference, but it's a
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New Testament reference if Paul can quote
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If Paul can quote passages of the Bible and say it was stated somewhere saying it's in the
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New Testament close enough for me Please don't feel obligated to answer my questions appreciate you guys if you say on Matthew 20 24 3 the end of the old covenant age then how can you
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Distinguish between that and Matthew 13's use of a on Daniel 12 to speaks of the resurrection
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Which is the same as Matthew 13 in Matthew 13 41 the angels
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Reapers gather which is Revelation 14 and is the same concept of Matthew 24 31
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Which Jesus says what happened in that generation? Yeah, I think we'll we'll do better getting to that if we don't just jump around But actually run through the passages like we've planned
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Okay Yeah, cuz I mean you we can we can chase Stuff all the time, but what we're really trying to Try to put forward is
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What our position is from Scripture? Driving out so absolutely we're gonna answer those questions as we come to them, but if we jump around to them
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I don't think we're gonna lay the necessary groundwork and Interpretive cases need necessary to be able to answer those things
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Unless we just kind of start from the beginning and roll on through So one of the things and one of the things in Daniel chapter 2 talking about laying the groundwork
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And there's something that you mentioned last time we talked about it before But it's it's important to lay the groundwork when we're talking about these things
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Is the time indicators, which is another part? I think it's towards the end of that the chapter that you wrote but um the phrase in the days of these
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Kings so you have the The the different The different parts of the statue
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And you can you can name them better than I can there's the gold silver bronze iron and clay at the bottom
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Let's see And then you have the four kingdoms and then the then it speaks
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You know around the last one. It says these things will happen in the days of these Kings Right, which is going to be the the
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Roman Empire the king the kings of the Roman Empire Right.
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Oh And there was a there was a graphic that I wanted to download and use and it actually gave the the dates
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Of those four different kingdoms and and how they just you know, they go one right after the other So, I mean it's it's biblical it's historic and and in the context you have this time indicator that says
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These things will happen in the days of these Kings and that's you know another part of interpret a biblical interpretation hermeneutics is
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Interpreting the the unclear in light of the clear and that's where these time indicators Come in handy.
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So well when you when you have when you're trying to make a distinction between The word age in this verse and the word age in that verse the word world in that verse in this verse
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You have you do have things that are clear such as time indicators and You have one here in Daniel chapter 2 which it says in the days of these
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Kings which tells us These things are going to happen in the days of these
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Kings and it's not something that we should look forward in the future I mean to me it would just be the scripture.
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I Don't want to say lying but um Not being accurate if it says in the days of these
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Kings But it doesn't happen until 2 ,000 years later, then it's not it's not being accurate of itself
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Right and some some folks will say that that it's in the future
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Because of the mention of the toes Being 10 toes. Let's try to turn it into 10
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Kings or kingdoms in the future But still that really
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I mean, I don't know how you have one kingdom that's separated by several thousand years
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And just call it a revived kingdom. It doesn't I don't right
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Here's another part of Daniel chapter 2 and I know you touched on last time. So What else would you like to say about this part where People want to talk about the the times of the
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Gentiles and you reference Luke 21 24 sure
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Luke See Luke 21 24
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He says in a certain back in verse 20, but when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies
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Then know that it's desolation has come near speaking of Jerusalem Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains and let those who are inside the city depart
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Not those who are out in the country enter it for these are days of vengeance to fulfill all that is written for last women who are pregnant and For those who are nursing
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Infants in those days for it will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people they will fall by the edge of the sword and Be led captive by all nations and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the
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Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled now
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When it says the the times the Gentiles are fulfilled we have to understand you what what time period is he talking about Jesus there in Luke 21 is talking for telling the the destruction of Jerusalem and then he goes on to say later on Let's see
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He gives the parable of the fig tree and at the end of that he's he's explaining to them
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So also when you see these things take place, you know that the kingdom of God is near being
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His setting up his rule his reign the kingdom of God that little stone of Daniel that's coming to crush the the nations of the earth
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Truly I say to you this generation will not pass away until all this has taken place heaven and earth will pass away
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But my words will not pass away. I mean all this is is When it says all this will take place before this generation passes away
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If you back up into 25, he's talking about the Sun Moon and stars and distressed nations are perplexed
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See in ways people fainting Powers of the heavens being shaken people will see the
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Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory These things are or take says these things take place straighten up and raise your heads because your redemption is drawing near So when he talks about the time of the
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Gentiles, he's also says in the end of verse 33 down here that the 32 that these things will all take place
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But within the generation that's an earshot of these things happening. So the kingdom of God coming upon the earth is going to be a
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Descriptive of what's happening in Daniel to where the little stone who is the kingdom of God comes and smashes the other kingdoms
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It's going to happen within the time of the people who are listening to Jesus so when you have
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Man my brain just shut off When you have I don't know
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I Really my brain just quit. Oh, I forgot mid -sentence what
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I was even talking about Well, one of the things that come up the reason the time of the Gentiles comes up is because in the
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Pre -millennial dispensational view the time of the Gentiles is is what they call the church age.
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Oh, yeah, and and so There's got to be a the
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Gospels got to go out to to all the Gentiles and When when that time is fulfilled
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That's when that's when the Rapture is gonna happen. That's when part of the timetable but but we're saying that the time of the
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Gentiles that You know Lucas speaking of Right. It's something different.
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Right the time of the Gentiles then would be those Gentile nations pictured in the Statue of Daniel Babylon Medo -Persia the
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Grecian Empire and then the Romans that would be the times of the Gentiles times of the Gentiles and Yeah, those
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They end when the stone hits them and crushes them It's gonna come through the crew through the the power of the gospel when the kingdom of God comes upon the earth
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Well, and a lot of the verses that you were talking about As you were talking about these verses in Luke 21 parallel to Matthew chapter 24, which is part of the last question that that our gentleman or I Don't know.
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I don't know what gender they are our anonymous questioner asked Referencing Matthew 24
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Daniel chapter 12 and How can we explain the difference in the word age here and age there
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It's it's a matter of context and I think that's what Dan was trying to explain when we were looking at the the word age in Luke 21 and In Matthew 13, excuse me and in Daniel 12
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Context tells us everything. So the context in in Luke 21 and Matthew, especially
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Matthew 24 Which is referenced in the question Tells us who his audience is
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Luke 23, which you reference in your paper and I know you wanted to You wanted to wait till we get there
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But Luke 23 was was the audience was a little bit greater His audience was wider and then it narrowed down and in chapter 24.
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His audience was the disciples Well, the the context in Matthew 13 is speaking of the kingdom of heaven, right?
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so he's talking about the After the stone it hit the nation's in the foot and moving forward
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What you're talking about in Matthew 23 and 24 is That stone still flying to its target and striking, right?
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So you have two different ages one where the age is ending and one where the new age is beginning so you're gonna have at the end of the the age of the kingdom of God you're gonna have the
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The return of Christ the separation of the wheat and the tares the the final judgment and then when you come to The end of the old covenant era or the or the
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Jewish age, however, you want to put it You're going to see the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. So really you're talking about two different ages
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And it depends on the context of the passage Which age is being spoken of right?
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So just because you have the word aeon in there It doesn't necessarily mean it's talking about the same age like we're talking about different things, right?
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And that context is key whether you're looking at the word age or you whether you're looking at the word world And so when we've we've talked about the the end of the age of the
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Old Covenant and here in Matthew 13 We're talking about the end of the age of the kingdom
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Before the post -millennial second coming at the end of that age So context is key
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Jesus is trying to explain the kingdom that he's That he's actually bringing in Matthew 13.
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He's talking about the destruction of the the the Old Covenant people in Right Luke 21 31 says the kingdom comes in full when
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Jerusalem is destroyed 21 31 so you also when you see these things happen recognize that the kingdom of God is near There's another one of those time indicators speaking to the that audience like you said within earshot.
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There's a time indicator they're going to see it that generation and I don't know that necessarily says it will come in full
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In this verse, but it does say that it's coming to them.
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The kingdom is near When you see these things happening Right, and all those things there was a bit of overlap.
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Jesus is talking about the kingdom that he's bringing in Matthew 13 But there was a sense in which it was among them
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While he was still there, I would see that even more in Acts 2 after he's already resurrected
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But we also see it Coming more into fruition as you move into early church history after 70
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AD so I don't Yeah, appreciate. Yeah. I appreciate your questions Zach. Could you give us some more clarity on what you mean by come in full?
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There's another Word that could mean different things like We don't think that it's going to come to fruition or come in full until all of it all of he's
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Destroyed all of his enemies and last enemy is going to be dead So there's the there's the fullness of the kingdom from the partial
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Protest perspective So so what are you meaning by the word full? You could mean that it's it's fully initiated it's fully started
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The Old Kingdom Overlap has has finished. It's ended Let's see, let's go to his next question.
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Would you say New Jerusalem came down in AD 70? Partly, yeah.
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Yeah still and still coming down. I mean we We are the New Jerusalem with a new temple, right?
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Yep. So the next part of your your chapter here is is
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Matthew 24 If you want to go there you ready to go there. Yeah, let's do it
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And so understanding Matthew chapter 24 Goes back to what we were talking about before understanding the context understand the audience
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Yeah, and just a reminder well you started you start in verse 23 so so tell us about what you what you're writing down in your chapter and explain a little bit more about the wider audience versus the
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The more narrow audience in verse chapter 24 yeah, if you chapter 23 and 24 is a it's kind of meant to be read as a whole so in 23 chapter 23
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Jesus is addressing crowds and his disciples and he's talking about them or to them about the
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Scribes and the Pharisees He goes through and he he talks about how they they lay heavy burdens on them and how they
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Like to be in the places of honor like to be called rabbi He describes a difference between what they're
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Doing as the leaders of Israel and what God would have them to do
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Christ says in let's see
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Verse 8 but you are not to be called rabbi Through you have one teacher and you are all brothers and call no man your father on earth for you
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Have one father who is in heaven neither be called instructors for you have one instructor the
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Christ The greatest among you shall be yours shall be your servant Whoever exalts himself will be humbled and whoever humbles himself would be exalted
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He was saying is those Pharisees and scribes were being were exalting themselves saying.
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Hey, look how good we are Look at how fancy we've become look how well we keep God's law
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He's saying that's not how the kingdom of God is supposed to work. He goes on in verse 13
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Woe to you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you shut the kingdom of heaven in his people's faces
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For neither you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in He goes on and Talks about how they're blind guides how they're blind men how they
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Make make up their own rules how they try to follow every jot and tittle of the law
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But they also add in their own Own expressions of it as well Calls them a blind
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Pharisees who first clean the inside of the cup and the plate But he wants them to have clean
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Everything So it goes on a little bit further in verse 33 he says
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You serpents you brood of vipers. How are you to escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I sent the sent new prophets and wise men and scribes and some of you
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You will kill and crucify and some you flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth from the blood of Righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barak I whom he murdered between the sanctuary and the altar
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Truly I say to you all these things will come upon this generation So right there he's saying all of these things are going to come upon This generation being the generation of scribes and Pharisees who are there
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Receiving the condemnation that Christ is giving to them saying you are doing these things wrong
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You're leading the people astray and because of that you're going to find your condemnation to be just and it's going to come upon you in this generation
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Then he looks over the city Itself and says a Jerusalem Jerusalem the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it
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How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings and you were not willing
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See your house is left to you desolate For I tell you you will not see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the
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Lord so you have the scribes and Pharisees are they are going to incur judgment and wrath the name the city of Jerusalem, which is symbolic of the entire nation know it'd be the same thing as people saying,
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Washington DC or No, London if you're talking about the
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UK or whatever Your house has left you desolate. No, you have destruction coming on you
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So Jesus is speaking to his his disciples and the the larger crowd that's there then they he leaves the temple with his disciples when you start 24 and the point they point the buildings of the temple to him and he
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How cool is this? Look at these things very impressive and I'm sure they were beautiful large buildings and he says
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You see all of these Truly I say to you there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down So he's saying you're looking at these buildings all of these things around you the stones that are stacked up the temple here
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All that's gonna be thrown down Then he goes on he explains to them further about the same conversation when he's on the
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Mount of Olives And they ask him this question say tell us when will these things be?
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What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? So you go back and look through what does he just said in chapter 23?
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Tell us one of these things be know the judgment upon the Pharisees and Sadducees of religious rulers the desolation of the house of Israel What would be the sign of your coming because you will not it says they will not
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Jerusalem will not see him again until Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord And what will be the end of the age the age that they are presently in I Says see that no one leads you astray in other words
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Get this right bunch of people are gonna come and they're gonna say that they are me Say I or I'm in coming in the name of the
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Christ They're gonna try to lead you astray and you're gonna see wars rumors of wars. Lots of stuff's gonna go on and it's gonna look like the world is in great turmoil for a second and all of these things have to happen and Things are gonna get bad.
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He says in verse 9 They will deliver you up in the tribulation put you to death and you'll be hated by all nations for my namesake
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Then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another and Many false prophets will arise and leave many astray and because lawlessness will be increased the love of many will grow cold
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But the one who endures the end will be saved and this gospel The kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations and then the end will come so what's going to be the end of The What's going to be the end of the age the time where the
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Sadducees and Pharisees are going in the scribes or religious leaders are going to have their judgment
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Where is the house going to be left desolate to Jerusalem? This is all going to happen after a great tribulation a persecution of the
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Saints of God Also the proclamation of the whole gospel to the entire world and then the end will come
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People might be saying hey, um, I don't know if the gospel was proclaimed to the whole world at that point before 70
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AD so first thing we have to Address is that I guess which
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I don't think I'll put that in my paper. I probably should But did not say that in your paper it was not there but it should be
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However Well while you're looking that up one of the things that I noticed at the very beginning of Matthew chapter 24
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That I wanted to address that's somewhat related and it's a question that's coming up come up in my mind a couple of times is
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There's a passage later on where Jesus is saying he's walking outside or around at the temple and he says
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You you destroy this temple It will be raised up in three days. And then there's the parentheses that says he's speaking of his himself his body
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But here it is actually speaking of the the temple and Jerusalem being destroyed So both are true in Scripture, but but context is the key in that passage.
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He's speaking of himself But in this passage he's speaking of the the actual temple and that Jerusalem is being fulfilled and just just to summarize
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Everything that you said so far in Matthew chapter 23 we're looking at time indicators we're looking at audience and You've got woe to the
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I mean, it's it's very clear scribes and Pharisees scribes and Pharisees woe to you So there's there's your religious context speaking directly to the scribes and Pharisees and then he brings in Jerusalem So he's speaking to the city of Jerusalem and like you said as representative of that nation
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So so there's there's our audience. There's our time indicators this generation. We'll see these things happen and then beginning of chapter 24 the audience narrows
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And if you're ready for the What you were going to address about the gospel going to the whole world sure, okay
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Paul actually said that it did So in the in Colossians 1 you start in verse 21
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Says in you who were alienated and hostile in mind doing evil deeds is now reconciled in his body of flesh
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By his death in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him if indeed you continue in faith
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Stable and steadfast not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard The gospel that you heard which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven of which
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I Paul became a minister so the Apostle Paul states in the letter to the
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Colossians that the The gospel of Jesus Christ had been proclaimed to all of creation under heaven
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So whatever we take the proclamation of the gospel to the whole world to mean
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We have to understand that Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit Said that that event had already occurred that the gospel had been proclaimed to all of the earth already
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So at that point When the nations had all heard and the testimony had gone through the whole world then the end will come
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He's talking about the end of That particular time
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I think
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I think he's saying what what we were talking about earlier The different uses of the word world and Understanding in its context or come in a and that's what you're talking about here.
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The gospel going out to the whole world And they would have that would have the context would have been the whole known world.
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Sure. I Think that's what brother Zach here's is referring to if I'm not mistaken.
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Is that what you got out of his comment? Yeah, okay, cool without without reading the whole thing
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And I do appreciate your comment Zack. It's really really good. Thank you for your interaction Going back to Matthew chapter 24
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Something that I wanted that I read in your chapter that I wanted you to address and it goes back to context
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Helping us understand the context. So And I'm bringing this from your chapter something that you address it
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Some of the part that you read so far in Matthew chapter 24, there's gonna be famines there's gonna be earthquakes
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If you're in Judea flee when you see these things happen Pray that your flight will not be in the winter or the
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Sabbath So you have some literal things and then you have some things that we should understand
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Figuratively if you go to vert verse 29 but immediately after the tribulation of Those days the
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Sun will become dark and the moon will not give us light and the stars will fall from the sky And I think it's very interesting very good
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How you tackle that in your paper? How we understand when to take things figuratively if you want to address that for a little bit sure
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It's very helpful How did I do it forget? Hold on say, um, let's see if I can if I can remember
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But we do want to understand where it comes from In its context he's quoting
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Old Testament passages And so how was how was it used in the Old Testament, that's one way we can understand the context
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How was he used the Old Testament? How was he using it? Here in in this passage, right?
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Go ahead in order to do that. You kind of got to back up a little bit And pick up what what are you saying?
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In verse 15 it says so when you speak of the abomination of desolation spoken of by the
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Prophet Daniel That's your first instance where he's talking about something from the the
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Old Testament It goes on a little bit more He gives the exhortation to do not listen to the false prophets
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Then when it starts talking about the Tribulation of those days the Sun will be dark and in the moon will not give its light.
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He's already been talking about Old Testament prophecy and a a nation that's going to come under the
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Judgment of God underneath his wrath. So when you have those things put together, it's helpful to see if there's any similar language that's found in the
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Old Testament that has to do with the destruction of a nation and Has that language of the
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Sun being dark and the moon not giving a slight the stars falling away from heaven? And that stuff is found of several places
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Think in the book of Joel You find it. You also find it in book of Isaiah, it was chapter 13
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Yeah There's a couple other places as well
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Where Those things are mentioned and when it's mentioned it's always mentioned in the context of a nation meeting its end it's
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It's almost like he's like the the language is giving you the idea that a that the
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Sun has gone down on this nation for the last time It's gone down and it's not coming up It's as if the
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Sun moon and stars have all fallen from the heavens of this this judgment that's come upon them is
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It's full it's meant for their destruction. It's not something to get their attention.
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This is Because they've rejected prophets and rejected The testimony of God through natural revelation and everything else and here comes
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They're they're just desserts like here is the Wrath of God being poured out on them.
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So when we see it here in Matthew 24 We shouldn't expect anything different We'll expect to see
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The wrath of God coming there's even a language in oh goodness,
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I forget which one One of these that talks about Him arriving on a cloud or someone arriving on a cloud or the
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Judgment coming down upon a nation in a cloud Let's see
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Why why you look for that here's here's how you stated as you begin that section which is really good and helpful a
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Passage should not be taken figuratively unless The genre grammar history or divine authorship of the text demand it to be taken figuratively
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So therefore in order to in order for this language to be taken in a figurative sense some more educated
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Exegetical work must be done so when you're reading through Matthew 24 and Jesus is speaking literally literally literally
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And then you get to this verse in 29 and he's quoting Daniel chapter He's quoting these other verses in referring
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Old Testament judgment language, which is which we have to remember, you know That's how this whole thing started when he's speaking to the the scribes of Pharisees when he's speaking to Jerusalem This is all about God's wrath.
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This is God's judgment on this religious system this nation and And so he's referring back to and as that gave us the reference of Isaiah chapter 19
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Maybe what you were you're looking for maybe So So when you get when you get to this verse and you see
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Jesus quoting Old Testament language We look back and see how Jesus is using the language
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How was it using the Old Testament and each of the references that you give every time it's it's used figuratively sure as judgment language because the
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The stars never literally fall So what why would they fall here?
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You know, they the moon will not give its light, you know, it never literally did that So why would he mean for it to do that here, right?
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And all that is is brought together in the language of woe which starts off in chapter 23 where he says
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Well to the scribes and Pharisees woe to you brood of vipers and he says well a few times through there And then he brings that same
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Energy. Oh, that's terrible way putting it. He brings that he brings that same Idea that same force of woe to these people on Into the next chapter when he's describing when these events are going to happen and though that idea of woe is
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Is part of that Old Testament prophecy? When the when the language of sun moon and stars falling is brought up.
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It's it's woe language like whoa, you This is not going to be good for you.
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It's going to end poorly So we are about up on our hour and we don't have time to go to the next section
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Which is the book of Revelation? Something or the or the abomination of desolation which will not a huge section.
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Okay. Okay, that's where I wanted to go That's what I was looking for. But it we I guess we don't have time to touch on that It's really really that's gonna end up taking us through.
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Okay Daniel 9 11 and 12 because there's mentions of the abomination of desolation in but all three of those chapters
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And what's what's interesting what's going to take some time to go through is that it appears that the reference to the abomination of desolation in chapter 11 is
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Different than the one in chapters 9 and 12
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Because in chapters 9 and 12, it looks like that's what Jesus is referring to here in Matthew when you look at chapter 11 chapter 11 runs through a portion of history
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That is in our past was in the past of Jesus What is talking about?
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Antiochus Epiphanes so It yeah, it'll take
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It it deserves more than it deserves more effort than I have energy to give right now
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Well while we wrap up I did want to go back to the to this question
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Are there any last thoughts on? Making these comparisons between age and the use in different different word different verses
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Nothing more than what we've already said really I mean, it's it's all about context. Yeah It's really important to take the time to establish the context of a passage and to derive that context from the the surrounding text instead of just assuming a context or or Seeing similar similar language and assuming this the same context
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You actually need to hold up passages side -by -side to see if they're really related or not sometimes they can be talking about stuff that is
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Similar but but not the same it could be I don't know for instance like when we're talking about what we're going to talk about with the abomination of desolation
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I believe chapter 11 in Daniel is speaking of a different event than Daniel 9 and Daniel 12
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In order to come to that conclusion, I can't just assume it or assert it. I've got to actually prove it from the text
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So if we're going to When we look at a context we need to make sure that our context is
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Is derived from the text and is done carefully instead of just assuming or just willy -nilly saying that a a certain context applies to a passage because I mean really
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I've It's really frustrating to argue with with someone or even discuss with someone and for them
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For their whole argument to me Well, that's not the context and then they'll never provide you what they say
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The context is just kind of have you guess and The same is true for when we come up with the context.
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We can't just say well That's not the context or this is the context. We need to show our work to ourselves because Let's let's face it.
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This is Inspired by the Holy Spirit. This is God's words to us
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So if we're going to say that a certain portion of Scripture has a context we need to have done our due diligence to Show that that's accurate and not just assert it
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Well, it's it's to my own detriment that my brain does not have a good memory
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I know that you and I we did a series on Daniel and we went, you know Through every just about every book in Daniel even even the last book.
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I think we touched on Daniel chapter 12 Do you recall the context there of chapter 12 verses 1 & 2
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Now at the time of Michael the great prince Who stands guard over the sons of your people will rise and there will be a time of distress
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Such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time and at that time your people everyone who was found and written in The book in the book will be rescued many of those who sleep in the ground dust of the ground will awake
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Least everlasting life, but others to disgrace and everlasting contempt Do you recall the context and and what how we interpreted that Remember how we did it back then?
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Yeah, hopefully the same way we do it now. Oh No, I didn't go back and review the footage,
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I don't know I'm always willing to go back and Throw a flag on the play if I need to Got you
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Yeah so that's something we'll definitely take a look at and We'll look at the comparison there
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So to Matthew 13, well,
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I hate that we couldn't be more definitive.
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I mean, there's so much there's so much information I'm just I'm just unable to To rattle it off everything that there is to discuss other than what we've
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Planned to look at did do you have any last last thoughts?
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No, man, my brain is fried It's been it's been fried all day to be honest with you.
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Gotcha Well, I'm sure just like everybody else. We've got a lot going on in our households and That's We're we'll give you what we
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What we prepared to look at and we will be glad to look at some of these other things some of these other passages
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Which we appreciate the comments and the questions and like I said at the beginning we will
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Let's see Would like to read your paper. Hey, man, I'd like to finish it.
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Oh It would it would be a good resource to put on our on our website when you finish
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Yeah, when I get it all polished up and get all my sources cited correctly and all that So no,
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I don't want I'm not trying to plagiarize anything Yeah All right, well most importantly
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I know that there's there's disagreements on end times and eschatology and It's it's probably going to remain that way for for a very long time
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I said, I still believe that the the premillennial dispensational view does have a line at some point because You've got to address the generation if you hold to the if you hold to the view that This generation is in our future or we're in the middle of it then at some point because Generation has to be a certain number of years.
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You can't keep extending it You know, there's been there's been dates that have been predicted that the the
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Rapture is going to happen hit this time this time this time But you you can't keep extending these Rapture predictions
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Based on the the number that you think a generation is at some point it's just the numbers going to become astronomical and it's going to become ridiculous to where It's it can't mean a generation.
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So there is a line For the definition of what a generation is
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You know, we think it's around 40 years But now you're getting to what 80 and some people want to say it's 120
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At some point Or the the wrong restoration of Israel, it's gonna happen again in the future.
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Yeah. Yeah, so You got to keep those things in mind, but we are still brothers and sisters in Christ and that's is that's the main point
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That we want to see people come into his kingdom. We want to see people saved. We want to see people to submit to Christ because Jesus says
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Of himself that he is the way the truth in life No one can come to the Father but by him and that's that's the end -all be -all.
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That's the bottom line That's where we all stand. That's our firm foundation As we said earlier we want to say what the
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Bible says and we want to stand on that we want it to speak to Us so that we can speak it to you.
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And that's what Jesus says and then there's no There's no tweaking that there's no way around it that the only way to be saved the only way to the
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Father is through him And Jesus says we must repent of our sins and put our faith and trust in him
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We've got to recognize that we are sinners It says that that sin is transgression of the law.
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We've all broken God's law his commandments And and if you are so willing take a look at those commandments and see
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See that you have broken them all just like we all have James chapter 2 verse 10 says if you keep the whole law and yet stumble at one point you're guilty of them all
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So we we all stand before God guilty There there's no hope for us within us
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There's no hope for us with anything in this that this world has to offer. No, no government.
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No politician No world system no amount of meditation
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Nothing. We must be rescued as it says in in Daniel chapter 12
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Everyone who is found written in the book will be rescued. We've got to be rescued There's no if ands or buts about it
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We can't save ourselves and Jesus came to this earth who was outside of this earth came in Came down to this earth took on the form of man lived a sinless life lived the life that we couldn't live live the life that Adam was supposed to live but didn't who didn't submit to the law of God and He he submitted himself to the
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Father and Went willingly to the cross to take our punishment took the wrath of God in our place
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He died and was resurrected and Now he sits he ascended to heaven where sits at the right hand of the father as king of kings and Lord of lords
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He has all authority which has been given to him in heaven and on earth And he commands all men everywhere to repent put their faith and trust in him
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And so if you've not done that we encourage you to do that tonight and if you have done that join with Dan and I as we want to see others as Be saved and be born again share the gospel
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Dan, would you mind to close us in prayer? Sure dear Heavenly Father, thank you for Your goodness for your word and for your promises to us pray that you would
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Keep us safe. Keep us in your word Keep us remembering who you are and cause us to love you more and more each day in Christ's name and pray.
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Amen Amen, thank you guys for watching. We really appreciate it. Hope you will join us again soon.