Truth in Love- End Times Interpretation

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We hope you enjoy the podcast as we talk about in times But there's there's something interesting about this discussion that we have

Dan as post millennialist and it's the first part of Your chapter here that you sent me the first or one of the first paragraphs in this chapter

And I was thinking about it last week. We didn't get to bring it up. We ran out of time, but It's very interesting as Post -millennialist a lot of the verses that we talk about Our verses in from the post -millennial perspective are not in times verses

Right, we talk about these verses I think for two reasons one

Because they are in times verses for other in times

What do you call them theologies Yeah, it's theologies theologies other in times views

They they are verses for those and I think that's one of the reasons why we we bring it up is because You know, we have to say well from the post -mill perspective

These are not according to Scripture According to our perspective our interpretation of Scripture.

These are not actually in times of verses and and here's why And then the other reason at least not the end of times that deals with the end of the world.

Right, right Yeah, right So we would And well, how would we say it these are verses that would talk about the end of the age versus the end of the world

Yeah, yeah and end of the Old Covenant age and of the Old Testament stuff like that yeah, and then well the the other reason that we bring it up is is less to do with Post -millennialism because when we get to post -millennialism, that's an in times view.

We will look at other verses Sure, which I hope that we'll eventually get to but the other reason that we look at these verses comes from our partial preterism view, which is

Do what? Yeah, yeah Those other guys went overboard.

We didn't we didn't stop short. They went overboard. Let's see. They call it full preterism or Heretical preterism

Heretical heretical preterism Yeah Hyper preterism.

Yeah, like hyper Calvinism hyper. There's there's all kinds of ditches that you can fall in But the the

Orthodox or partial preterist position we look these verses Because the partial or Orthodox preterism is tied to the post -millennial position

Can be yeah. Yeah, so that's why we look at these verses to show while we think many of these verses

Were fulfilled in the past which is what preterism means past and yeah, because really if you're gonna if you're gonna try to Show your case and even convince people that what you're doing isn't something wild and off -the -wall

Then if no 80 % of the other views out there view these verses as being

Relevant to the end times or eschatology, then you've at least got to mention them Even better you should say what you believe about them what you believe that they're actually saying

That's right And you say so with the consistent hermeneutic all the way through That way people know that you're not just coming here and then taking a left turn to avoid

Something that goes against your positions. I know I've been using the same Method of Bible interpretation the whole way and that leads me to the conclusions that I've come to right, right and Of course, we want people to just you know

If you're listening and you hold to the pre -millennial dispensational view Of course You want people to to come to your side and believe because you believe that your side is the biblical side?

And of course, that's the position that we would hold, you know, we feel like we have Done our due diligence to the best of our ability.

We believe this is the the correct interpretation So we want people to come to our side So we won't but we want to honor and respect

People as as brothers and sisters in Christ and say, you know, look

Just like us we we were open to change our view at one point because I you know,

I was to the best of my knowledge of pre -millennial dispensationalist because that was that was the only position that I ever knew existed and and and I was was not a quote

Calvinist at one time Not I wasn't a reformed Baptist at one time And so I had to be open to let the scripture tell me what to believe

That's that's the stance that I want to take that's where we want to be firm. Would you agree with that?

Yes We want to be firm in that let the

Bible tell us what we should believe and not impute our beliefs

We got a question great you guys said that the end of the age was 8070

Matthew 1339 says the harvest slash resurrection happened at the end of the age Did the resurrection happen at 70

AD? No No There's there's several things going on here one in Matthew 13

It's talking about something different See exactly by the way, thank you for the question.

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That's cool Matthew 139 sure What you have going on in Matthew 13 is is an explanation of what's going to happen when the kingdom comes upon the earth

So you've got the kingdom of God that's coming upon the earth Go go into verse 36 is

Then he left the crowds and went into the house and his disciples came to him saying explain to us the parable of the weeds and of the field

So the one who sows The good seed is the son of man. The field is the world and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom

The weeds are the sons of the evil one. So what you have there is you have the kingdom of God already being there so it

The age in question is the age that we're presently living in the one where the kingdom of God is ruling over the earth

It's going Going around doing its thing so and the enemy who sowed them is the devil the harvest is at the end of the age and the

Reapers are angels just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire so will it be at the end of the age the son of man will send his angels and They will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all lawbreakers throw them into the fiery furnace

In that place will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So what you have is you have an imperfect

Kingdom of God that will at one that will at some point in the future at the final resurrection at the final judgment

Separate the wheat from the tares. You'll have the the evil ones taken out of The kingdom of God so that way there will be no more it says

The son of man will send it will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all

Lawbreakers and throw them into the fiery furnace in that place. They'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth so that that right there is talking about the end of The end of all time the end of the church age if you will the end of the

The time when Jesus returns again to separate to to raise the living and the dead to judge them to separate good from evil and to usher in the eternal state

So I don't think that's talking about the same Time period is what Jesus is speaking of in Matthew 23 and 24.

I think he's talking about two different things there right and I think Probably where the the questioning comes from is because we use the we use the word the term age the end of the age it's to the end of the world and Then here, you know, it's it's talking about the end of the end of the age

And I was just I was gonna pull it up to see if we could look up the interlinear ages aeon

Right He's talking about in Matthew 13 all together is

He's speaking in parables and he says in verse 10. Then the disciples came and said to him.

Why do you speak in parables? He said to you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven

But to them it has not been granted. So why is he why is he speaking in parables?

He's speaking in parables because he's speaking about the nature of the kingdom of heaven So he's speaking about the the age that started at Christ's first coming and will end at his second coming whereas in Matthew 23 24

He's talking about the end of the Jewish age and the judgment upon that people for their rejection of Messiah right what

I Know I saw the word world in there. Where did I see that at? I'm having a hard time finding it feel

There it is. Verse Verse 38. I wanted to see what word is used cosmos

Okay, which is which is one of the things that I want to point out. So we use the term we use the term age into the age and And Which was most of time we're talking about 70

AD the end of the Old Covenant into the age but here is speaking of a different an age of a different time period and Daniel's talking about the kingdom the the kingdom of heaven the kingdom of Christ here on earth

Same thing happens with the word world sometimes the word world is cosmos and sometimes it is

What's the other Greek word oikomene Is that right?

Sure. I Apologize if I'm wrong on that, but you have you know different Greek words

And the word world can mean different things in different places and so can the the word age

It context is key and I think Dan was I think that's what Dan was was getting at context is key

Let's see what the other comment here is Jesus quotes Daniel 12 numerous times in Matthew 13 and It's playing off of that.

Do you think Daniel 12 is future? No, I don't but We're we're going well depends on what part of Daniel 12

But we're gonna talk a lot about Daniel 12 here in a little bit when we get to it but go over the abomination of desolation and And how that was used in Daniel how it's used in different places in Matthew 23 and 24.

I'm trying to look for Old Testament quotes there in those verses 36 to 43 Is it just 43 that has an

Old Testament quote? Let's see here.

Let me look. I'm Sorry, I'm just looking at the cross -reference

For Daniel or for Matthew 13 43. See there's a

Daniel 12 3 So we can keep that in the back of our mind and when we get to Daniel Daniel chapter 12, so thank you for the question is good to that iron sharpens iron and we look at these things so Daniel 12 to answer your question

Daniel 12 was future to Daniel, but not future to us

So I think we want to start in and we totally forgot to do the video that I sent you To open up the program, but it's good.

We've got we've got some questions in here The challenges so that's really good. We appreciate you watching

While you're looking that up We'll just start in in Daniel chapter 2 and I know that I know that you

Dan you spoke a good bit I think last time on Daniel chapter 2 but one thing that that struck me and I shared with you before the program

Daniel chapter 2 is is the the vision of the statue and The different parts of the statue represents different kingdoms and the

Daniel knew of three of those kingdoms and then the fourth one was was to come the the

Roman Empire and Then the fifth kingdom was going to be the kingdom of Christ Which which was a little stone that that crushed basically the whole statue and what

I found intriguing was that Every every part of that statue

Represented a nation or a kingdom It never spoke about a religion it always spoke of Nations or kingdoms and then what's going to come to replace that's going to be an everlasting kingdom

Or that's going to be an everlasting Thing is not a religion, but it's going to be a kingdom and it and it's a kingdom.

So It made me think about how

I was brought up the things that I learned growing up, you know, there's a soul focus on the gospel and conversion of souls and We don't get involved in politics there.

There's a separation between religion and politics It's it's just about you know, the gospel and conversion of souls but here

Jesus speaks in in Kingdom terms in the New Testament. Jesus speaks in Kingdom terms And the

Great Commission is go baptize nations I'm not sure how we

What happened what point in time where we left that out we we

Switched it or or turned a blind eye to it But it's so to me that was intriguing when

I was looking at the statue and saw What was being talked about and what was not being talked about yes

Yes, the gospel is part of the kingdom is it's how you enter into the kingdom But but Jesus is

Jesus is about taking over the whole world healing the whole world reconciling the whole world Not just the conversion of souls

Right How however we don't want to we don't want to understand

The the taking over the world as something that happens apart from the conversion of souls because really what we're saying is is not that That we're here to we're not here to change the world by imposing or enforcing

Our our viewpoint on someone else it's not a top -down sort of thing, right?

Even when you look at the what happens in in Daniel In Daniel 2 the the stone that is without hands comes and Destroys the nation's meat meaning that it's

Christ's kingdom. It's something that's happening That's not of the same political

Material that these other nations are are built from so when it smashes it

It doesn't smash it through through the same means as they derive their power The the way that the the nations of the earth are destroyed is through the gospel of Jesus Christ Coming into the hearts of men and changing them from the inside out

So when we want to disciple the nations like we've seen in Matthew 28 we don't necessarily mean we do

Preach the goodness of God's Moral standards and laws and stuff but really what we want to see happen is

The gospel going out changing the hearts of men who then in turn

Just naturally adopt as their national standards and laws of the the things that are related to God things that are

Put forward by God, so we're not trying to just heavy -handedly

Enforce God's rule on people What we understand to happen is that things are the hearts of men are changed which in turn will change the way that Civil governments are formed and function because you'll have

Christian folks Running things and so if they run things things will become more and more

Christian, right? Well, and that's why we say it's it's Christ's kingdom. Sure.

It's it's his method his means his way of doing it and and I think that That phraseology is used elsewhere the kingdom built without hands

I I'm at a loss for a reference, but it's a

New Testament reference if Paul can quote

If Paul can quote passages of the Bible and say it was stated somewhere saying it's in the

New Testament close enough for me Please don't feel obligated to answer my questions appreciate you guys if you say on Matthew 20 24 3 the end of the old covenant age then how can you

Distinguish between that and Matthew 13's use of a on Daniel 12 to speaks of the resurrection

Which is the same as Matthew 13 in Matthew 13 41 the angels

Reapers gather which is Revelation 14 and is the same concept of Matthew 24 31

Which Jesus says what happened in that generation? Yeah, I think we'll we'll do better getting to that if we don't just jump around But actually run through the passages like we've planned

Okay Yeah, cuz I mean you we can we can chase Stuff all the time, but what we're really trying to Try to put forward is

What our position is from Scripture? Driving out so absolutely we're gonna answer those questions as we come to them, but if we jump around to them

I don't think we're gonna lay the necessary groundwork and Interpretive cases need necessary to be able to answer those things

Unless we just kind of start from the beginning and roll on through So one of the things and one of the things in Daniel chapter 2 talking about laying the groundwork

And there's something that you mentioned last time we talked about it before But it's it's important to lay the groundwork when we're talking about these things

Is the time indicators, which is another part? I think it's towards the end of that the chapter that you wrote but um the phrase in the days of these

Kings so you have the The the different The different parts of the statue

And you can you can name them better than I can there's the gold silver bronze iron and clay at the bottom

Let's see And then you have the four kingdoms and then the then it speaks

You know around the last one. It says these things will happen in the days of these Kings Right, which is going to be the the

Roman Empire the king the kings of the Roman Empire Right.

Oh And there was a there was a graphic that I wanted to download and use and it actually gave the the dates

Of those four different kingdoms and and how they just you know, they go one right after the other So, I mean it's it's biblical it's historic and and in the context you have this time indicator that says

These things will happen in the days of these Kings and that's you know another part of interpret a biblical interpretation hermeneutics is

Interpreting the the unclear in light of the clear and that's where these time indicators Come in handy.

So well when you when you have when you're trying to make a distinction between The word age in this verse and the word age in that verse the word world in that verse in this verse

You have you do have things that are clear such as time indicators and You have one here in Daniel chapter 2 which it says in the days of these

Kings which tells us These things are going to happen in the days of these

Kings and it's not something that we should look forward in the future I mean to me it would just be the scripture.

I Don't want to say lying but um Not being accurate if it says in the days of these

Kings But it doesn't happen until 2 ,000 years later, then it's not it's not being accurate of itself

Right and some some folks will say that that it's in the future

Because of the mention of the toes Being 10 toes. Let's try to turn it into 10

Kings or kingdoms in the future But still that really

I mean, I don't know how you have one kingdom that's separated by several thousand years

And just call it a revived kingdom. It doesn't I don't right

Here's another part of Daniel chapter 2 and I know you touched on last time. So What else would you like to say about this part where People want to talk about the the times of the

Gentiles and you reference Luke 21 24 sure

Luke See Luke 21 24

He says in a certain back in verse 20, but when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies

Then know that it's desolation has come near speaking of Jerusalem Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains and let those who are inside the city depart

Not those who are out in the country enter it for these are days of vengeance to fulfill all that is written for last women who are pregnant and For those who are nursing

Infants in those days for it will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people they will fall by the edge of the sword and Be led captive by all nations and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the

Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled now

When it says the the times the Gentiles are fulfilled we have to understand you what what time period is he talking about Jesus there in Luke 21 is talking for telling the the destruction of Jerusalem and then he goes on to say later on Let's see

He gives the parable of the fig tree and at the end of that he's he's explaining to them

So also when you see these things take place, you know that the kingdom of God is near being

His setting up his rule his reign the kingdom of God that little stone of Daniel that's coming to crush the the nations of the earth

Truly I say to you this generation will not pass away until all this has taken place heaven and earth will pass away

But my words will not pass away. I mean all this is is When it says all this will take place before this generation passes away

If you back up into 25, he's talking about the Sun Moon and stars and distressed nations are perplexed

See in ways people fainting Powers of the heavens being shaken people will see the

Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory These things are or take says these things take place straighten up and raise your heads because your redemption is drawing near So when he talks about the time of the

Gentiles, he's also says in the end of verse 33 down here that the 32 that these things will all take place

But within the generation that's an earshot of these things happening. So the kingdom of God coming upon the earth is going to be a

Descriptive of what's happening in Daniel to where the little stone who is the kingdom of God comes and smashes the other kingdoms

It's going to happen within the time of the people who are listening to Jesus so when you have

Man my brain just shut off When you have I don't know

I Really my brain just quit. Oh, I forgot mid -sentence what

I was even talking about Well, one of the things that come up the reason the time of the Gentiles comes up is because in the

Pre -millennial dispensational view the time of the Gentiles is is what they call the church age.

Oh, yeah, and and so There's got to be a the

Gospels got to go out to to all the Gentiles and When when that time is fulfilled

That's when that's when the Rapture is gonna happen. That's when part of the timetable but but we're saying that the time of the

Gentiles that You know Lucas speaking of Right. It's something different.

Right the time of the Gentiles then would be those Gentile nations pictured in the Statue of Daniel Babylon Medo -Persia the

Grecian Empire and then the Romans that would be the times of the Gentiles times of the Gentiles and Yeah, those

They end when the stone hits them and crushes them It's gonna come through the crew through the the power of the gospel when the kingdom of God comes upon the earth

Well, and a lot of the verses that you were talking about As you were talking about these verses in Luke 21 parallel to Matthew chapter 24, which is part of the last question that that our gentleman or I Don't know.

I don't know what gender they are our anonymous questioner asked Referencing Matthew 24

Daniel chapter 12 and How can we explain the difference in the word age here and age there

It's it's a matter of context and I think that's what Dan was trying to explain when we were looking at the the word age in Luke 21 and In Matthew 13, excuse me and in Daniel 12

Context tells us everything. So the context in in Luke 21 and Matthew, especially

Matthew 24 Which is referenced in the question Tells us who his audience is

Luke 23, which you reference in your paper and I know you wanted to You wanted to wait till we get there

But Luke 23 was was the audience was a little bit greater His audience was wider and then it narrowed down and in chapter 24.

His audience was the disciples Well, the the context in Matthew 13 is speaking of the kingdom of heaven, right?

so he's talking about the After the stone it hit the nation's in the foot and moving forward

What you're talking about in Matthew 23 and 24 is That stone still flying to its target and striking, right?

So you have two different ages one where the age is ending and one where the new age is beginning so you're gonna have at the end of the the age of the kingdom of God you're gonna have the

The return of Christ the separation of the wheat and the tares the the final judgment and then when you come to The end of the old covenant era or the or the

Jewish age, however, you want to put it You're going to see the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. So really you're talking about two different ages

And it depends on the context of the passage Which age is being spoken of right?

So just because you have the word aeon in there It doesn't necessarily mean it's talking about the same age like we're talking about different things, right?

And that context is key whether you're looking at the word age or you whether you're looking at the word world And so when we've we've talked about the the end of the age of the

Old Covenant and here in Matthew 13 We're talking about the end of the age of the kingdom

Before the post -millennial second coming at the end of that age So context is key

Jesus is trying to explain the kingdom that he's That he's actually bringing in Matthew 13.

He's talking about the destruction of the the the Old Covenant people in Right Luke 21 31 says the kingdom comes in full when

Jerusalem is destroyed 21 31 so you also when you see these things happen recognize that the kingdom of God is near There's another one of those time indicators speaking to the that audience like you said within earshot.

There's a time indicator they're going to see it that generation and I don't know that necessarily says it will come in full

In this verse, but it does say that it's coming to them.

The kingdom is near When you see these things happening Right, and all those things there was a bit of overlap.

Jesus is talking about the kingdom that he's bringing in Matthew 13 But there was a sense in which it was among them

While he was still there, I would see that even more in Acts 2 after he's already resurrected

But we also see it Coming more into fruition as you move into early church history after 70

AD so I don't Yeah, appreciate. Yeah. I appreciate your questions Zach. Could you give us some more clarity on what you mean by come in full?

There's another Word that could mean different things like We don't think that it's going to come to fruition or come in full until all of it all of he's

Destroyed all of his enemies and last enemy is going to be dead So there's the there's the fullness of the kingdom from the partial

Protest perspective So so what are you meaning by the word full? You could mean that it's it's fully initiated it's fully started

The Old Kingdom Overlap has has finished. It's ended Let's see, let's go to his next question.

Would you say New Jerusalem came down in AD 70? Partly, yeah.

Yeah still and still coming down. I mean we We are the New Jerusalem with a new temple, right?

Yep. So the next part of your your chapter here is is

Matthew 24 If you want to go there you ready to go there. Yeah, let's do it

And so understanding Matthew chapter 24 Goes back to what we were talking about before understanding the context understand the audience

Yeah, and just a reminder well you started you start in verse 23 so so tell us about what you what you're writing down in your chapter and explain a little bit more about the wider audience versus the

The more narrow audience in verse chapter 24 yeah, if you chapter 23 and 24 is a it's kind of meant to be read as a whole so in 23 chapter 23

Jesus is addressing crowds and his disciples and he's talking about them or to them about the

Scribes and the Pharisees He goes through and he he talks about how they they lay heavy burdens on them and how they

Like to be in the places of honor like to be called rabbi He describes a difference between what they're

Doing as the leaders of Israel and what God would have them to do

Christ says in let's see

Verse 8 but you are not to be called rabbi Through you have one teacher and you are all brothers and call no man your father on earth for you

Have one father who is in heaven neither be called instructors for you have one instructor the

Christ The greatest among you shall be yours shall be your servant Whoever exalts himself will be humbled and whoever humbles himself would be exalted

He was saying is those Pharisees and scribes were being were exalting themselves saying.

Hey, look how good we are Look at how fancy we've become look how well we keep God's law

He's saying that's not how the kingdom of God is supposed to work. He goes on in verse 13

Woe to you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you shut the kingdom of heaven in his people's faces

For neither you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in He goes on and Talks about how they're blind guides how they're blind men how they

Make make up their own rules how they try to follow every jot and tittle of the law

But they also add in their own Own expressions of it as well Calls them a blind

Pharisees who first clean the inside of the cup and the plate But he wants them to have clean

Everything So it goes on a little bit further in verse 33 he says

You serpents you brood of vipers. How are you to escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I sent the sent new prophets and wise men and scribes and some of you

You will kill and crucify and some you flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth from the blood of Righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barak I whom he murdered between the sanctuary and the altar

Truly I say to you all these things will come upon this generation So right there he's saying all of these things are going to come upon This generation being the generation of scribes and Pharisees who are there

Receiving the condemnation that Christ is giving to them saying you are doing these things wrong

You're leading the people astray and because of that you're going to find your condemnation to be just and it's going to come upon you in this generation

Then he looks over the city Itself and says a Jerusalem Jerusalem the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it

How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings and you were not willing

See your house is left to you desolate For I tell you you will not see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the

Lord so you have the scribes and Pharisees are they are going to incur judgment and wrath the name the city of Jerusalem, which is symbolic of the entire nation know it'd be the same thing as people saying,

Washington DC or No, London if you're talking about the

UK or whatever Your house has left you desolate. No, you have destruction coming on you

So Jesus is speaking to his his disciples and the the larger crowd that's there then they he leaves the temple with his disciples when you start 24 and the point they point the buildings of the temple to him and he

How cool is this? Look at these things very impressive and I'm sure they were beautiful large buildings and he says

You see all of these Truly I say to you there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down So he's saying you're looking at these buildings all of these things around you the stones that are stacked up the temple here

All that's gonna be thrown down Then he goes on he explains to them further about the same conversation when he's on the

Mount of Olives And they ask him this question say tell us when will these things be?

What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? So you go back and look through what does he just said in chapter 23?

Tell us one of these things be know the judgment upon the Pharisees and Sadducees of religious rulers the desolation of the house of Israel What would be the sign of your coming because you will not it says they will not

Jerusalem will not see him again until Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord And what will be the end of the age the age that they are presently in I Says see that no one leads you astray in other words

Get this right bunch of people are gonna come and they're gonna say that they are me Say I or I'm in coming in the name of the

Christ They're gonna try to lead you astray and you're gonna see wars rumors of wars. Lots of stuff's gonna go on and it's gonna look like the world is in great turmoil for a second and all of these things have to happen and Things are gonna get bad.

He says in verse 9 They will deliver you up in the tribulation put you to death and you'll be hated by all nations for my namesake

Then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another and Many false prophets will arise and leave many astray and because lawlessness will be increased the love of many will grow cold

But the one who endures the end will be saved and this gospel The kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations and then the end will come so what's going to be the end of The What's going to be the end of the age the time where the

Sadducees and Pharisees are going in the scribes or religious leaders are going to have their judgment

Where is the house going to be left desolate to Jerusalem? This is all going to happen after a great tribulation a persecution of the

Saints of God Also the proclamation of the whole gospel to the entire world and then the end will come

People might be saying hey, um, I don't know if the gospel was proclaimed to the whole world at that point before 70

AD so first thing we have to Address is that I guess which

I don't think I'll put that in my paper. I probably should But did not say that in your paper it was not there but it should be

However Well while you're looking that up one of the things that I noticed at the very beginning of Matthew chapter 24

That I wanted to address that's somewhat related and it's a question that's coming up come up in my mind a couple of times is

There's a passage later on where Jesus is saying he's walking outside or around at the temple and he says

You you destroy this temple It will be raised up in three days. And then there's the parentheses that says he's speaking of his himself his body

But here it is actually speaking of the the temple and Jerusalem being destroyed So both are true in Scripture, but but context is the key in that passage.

He's speaking of himself But in this passage he's speaking of the the actual temple and that Jerusalem is being fulfilled and just just to summarize

Everything that you said so far in Matthew chapter 23 we're looking at time indicators we're looking at audience and You've got woe to the

I mean, it's it's very clear scribes and Pharisees scribes and Pharisees woe to you So there's there's your religious context speaking directly to the scribes and Pharisees and then he brings in Jerusalem So he's speaking to the city of Jerusalem and like you said as representative of that nation

So so there's there's our audience. There's our time indicators this generation. We'll see these things happen and then beginning of chapter 24 the audience narrows

And if you're ready for the What you were going to address about the gospel going to the whole world sure, okay

Paul actually said that it did So in the in Colossians 1 you start in verse 21

Says in you who were alienated and hostile in mind doing evil deeds is now reconciled in his body of flesh

By his death in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him if indeed you continue in faith

Stable and steadfast not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard The gospel that you heard which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven of which

I Paul became a minister so the Apostle Paul states in the letter to the

Colossians that the The gospel of Jesus Christ had been proclaimed to all of creation under heaven

So whatever we take the proclamation of the gospel to the whole world to mean

We have to understand that Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit Said that that event had already occurred that the gospel had been proclaimed to all of the earth already

So at that point When the nations had all heard and the testimony had gone through the whole world then the end will come

He's talking about the end of That particular time

I think

I think he's saying what what we were talking about earlier The different uses of the word world and Understanding in its context or come in a and that's what you're talking about here.

The gospel going out to the whole world And they would have that would have the context would have been the whole known world.

Sure. I Think that's what brother Zach here's is referring to if I'm not mistaken.

Is that what you got out of his comment? Yeah, okay, cool without without reading the whole thing

And I do appreciate your comment Zack. It's really really good. Thank you for your interaction Going back to Matthew chapter 24

Something that I wanted that I read in your chapter that I wanted you to address and it goes back to context

Helping us understand the context. So And I'm bringing this from your chapter something that you address it

Some of the part that you read so far in Matthew chapter 24, there's gonna be famines there's gonna be earthquakes

If you're in Judea flee when you see these things happen Pray that your flight will not be in the winter or the

Sabbath So you have some literal things and then you have some things that we should understand

Figuratively if you go to vert verse 29 but immediately after the tribulation of Those days the

Sun will become dark and the moon will not give us light and the stars will fall from the sky And I think it's very interesting very good

How you tackle that in your paper? How we understand when to take things figuratively if you want to address that for a little bit sure

It's very helpful How did I do it forget? Hold on say, um, let's see if I can if I can remember

But we do want to understand where it comes from In its context he's quoting

Old Testament passages And so how was how was it used in the Old Testament, that's one way we can understand the context

How was he used the Old Testament? How was he using it? Here in in this passage, right?

Go ahead in order to do that. You kind of got to back up a little bit And pick up what what are you saying?

In verse 15 it says so when you speak of the abomination of desolation spoken of by the

Prophet Daniel That's your first instance where he's talking about something from the the

Old Testament It goes on a little bit more He gives the exhortation to do not listen to the false prophets

Then when it starts talking about the Tribulation of those days the Sun will be dark and in the moon will not give its light.

He's already been talking about Old Testament prophecy and a a nation that's going to come under the

Judgment of God underneath his wrath. So when you have those things put together, it's helpful to see if there's any similar language that's found in the

Old Testament that has to do with the destruction of a nation and Has that language of the

Sun being dark and the moon not giving a slight the stars falling away from heaven? And that stuff is found of several places

Think in the book of Joel You find it. You also find it in book of Isaiah, it was chapter 13

Yeah There's a couple other places as well

Where Those things are mentioned and when it's mentioned it's always mentioned in the context of a nation meeting its end it's

It's almost like he's like the the language is giving you the idea that a that the

Sun has gone down on this nation for the last time It's gone down and it's not coming up It's as if the

Sun moon and stars have all fallen from the heavens of this this judgment that's come upon them is

It's full it's meant for their destruction. It's not something to get their attention.

This is Because they've rejected prophets and rejected The testimony of God through natural revelation and everything else and here comes

They're they're just desserts like here is the Wrath of God being poured out on them.

So when we see it here in Matthew 24 We shouldn't expect anything different We'll expect to see

The wrath of God coming there's even a language in oh goodness,

I forget which one One of these that talks about Him arriving on a cloud or someone arriving on a cloud or the

Judgment coming down upon a nation in a cloud Let's see

Why why you look for that here's here's how you stated as you begin that section which is really good and helpful a

Passage should not be taken figuratively unless The genre grammar history or divine authorship of the text demand it to be taken figuratively

So therefore in order to in order for this language to be taken in a figurative sense some more educated

Exegetical work must be done so when you're reading through Matthew 24 and Jesus is speaking literally literally literally

And then you get to this verse in 29 and he's quoting Daniel chapter He's quoting these other verses in referring

Old Testament judgment language, which is which we have to remember, you know That's how this whole thing started when he's speaking to the the scribes of Pharisees when he's speaking to Jerusalem This is all about God's wrath.

This is God's judgment on this religious system this nation and And so he's referring back to and as that gave us the reference of Isaiah chapter 19

Maybe what you were you're looking for maybe So So when you get when you get to this verse and you see

Jesus quoting Old Testament language We look back and see how Jesus is using the language

How was it using the Old Testament and each of the references that you give every time it's it's used figuratively sure as judgment language because the

The stars never literally fall So what why would they fall here?

You know, they the moon will not give its light, you know, it never literally did that So why would he mean for it to do that here, right?

And all that is is brought together in the language of woe which starts off in chapter 23 where he says

Well to the scribes and Pharisees woe to you brood of vipers and he says well a few times through there And then he brings that same

Energy. Oh, that's terrible way putting it. He brings that he brings that same Idea that same force of woe to these people on Into the next chapter when he's describing when these events are going to happen and though that idea of woe is

Is part of that Old Testament prophecy? When the when the language of sun moon and stars falling is brought up.

It's it's woe language like whoa, you This is not going to be good for you.

It's going to end poorly So we are about up on our hour and we don't have time to go to the next section

Which is the book of Revelation? Something or the or the abomination of desolation which will not a huge section.

Okay. Okay, that's where I wanted to go That's what I was looking for. But it we I guess we don't have time to touch on that It's really really that's gonna end up taking us through.

Okay Daniel 9 11 and 12 because there's mentions of the abomination of desolation in but all three of those chapters

And what's what's interesting what's going to take some time to go through is that it appears that the reference to the abomination of desolation in chapter 11 is

Different than the one in chapters 9 and 12

Because in chapters 9 and 12, it looks like that's what Jesus is referring to here in Matthew when you look at chapter 11 chapter 11 runs through a portion of history

That is in our past was in the past of Jesus What is talking about?

Antiochus Epiphanes so It yeah, it'll take

It it deserves more than it deserves more effort than I have energy to give right now

Well while we wrap up I did want to go back to the to this question

Are there any last thoughts on? Making these comparisons between age and the use in different different word different verses

Nothing more than what we've already said really I mean, it's it's all about context. Yeah It's really important to take the time to establish the context of a passage and to derive that context from the the surrounding text instead of just assuming a context or or Seeing similar similar language and assuming this the same context

You actually need to hold up passages side -by -side to see if they're really related or not sometimes they can be talking about stuff that is

Similar but but not the same it could be I don't know for instance like when we're talking about what we're going to talk about with the abomination of desolation

I believe chapter 11 in Daniel is speaking of a different event than Daniel 9 and Daniel 12

In order to come to that conclusion, I can't just assume it or assert it. I've got to actually prove it from the text

So if we're going to When we look at a context we need to make sure that our context is

Is derived from the text and is done carefully instead of just assuming or just willy -nilly saying that a a certain context applies to a passage because I mean really

I've It's really frustrating to argue with with someone or even discuss with someone and for them

For their whole argument to me Well, that's not the context and then they'll never provide you what they say

The context is just kind of have you guess and The same is true for when we come up with the context.

We can't just say well That's not the context or this is the context. We need to show our work to ourselves because Let's let's face it.

This is Inspired by the Holy Spirit. This is God's words to us

So if we're going to say that a certain portion of Scripture has a context we need to have done our due diligence to Show that that's accurate and not just assert it

Well, it's it's to my own detriment that my brain does not have a good memory

I know that you and I we did a series on Daniel and we went, you know Through every just about every book in Daniel even even the last book.

I think we touched on Daniel chapter 12 Do you recall the context there of chapter 12 verses 1 & 2

Now at the time of Michael the great prince Who stands guard over the sons of your people will rise and there will be a time of distress

Such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time and at that time your people everyone who was found and written in The book in the book will be rescued many of those who sleep in the ground dust of the ground will awake

Least everlasting life, but others to disgrace and everlasting contempt Do you recall the context and and what how we interpreted that Remember how we did it back then?

Yeah, hopefully the same way we do it now. Oh No, I didn't go back and review the footage,

I don't know I'm always willing to go back and Throw a flag on the play if I need to Got you

Yeah so that's something we'll definitely take a look at and We'll look at the comparison there

So to Matthew 13, well,

I hate that we couldn't be more definitive.

I mean, there's so much there's so much information I'm just I'm just unable to To rattle it off everything that there is to discuss other than what we've

Planned to look at did do you have any last last thoughts?

No, man, my brain is fried It's been it's been fried all day to be honest with you.

Gotcha Well, I'm sure just like everybody else. We've got a lot going on in our households and That's We're we'll give you what we

What we prepared to look at and we will be glad to look at some of these other things some of these other passages

Which we appreciate the comments and the questions and like I said at the beginning we will

Let's see Would like to read your paper. Hey, man, I'd like to finish it.

Oh It would it would be a good resource to put on our on our website when you finish

Yeah, when I get it all polished up and get all my sources cited correctly and all that So no,

I don't want I'm not trying to plagiarize anything Yeah All right, well most importantly

I know that there's there's disagreements on end times and eschatology and It's it's probably going to remain that way for for a very long time

I said, I still believe that the the premillennial dispensational view does have a line at some point because You've got to address the generation if you hold to the if you hold to the view that This generation is in our future or we're in the middle of it then at some point because Generation has to be a certain number of years.

You can't keep extending it You know, there's been there's been dates that have been predicted that the the

Rapture is going to happen hit this time this time this time But you you can't keep extending these Rapture predictions

Based on the the number that you think a generation is at some point it's just the numbers going to become astronomical and it's going to become ridiculous to where It's it can't mean a generation.

So there is a line For the definition of what a generation is

You know, we think it's around 40 years But now you're getting to what 80 and some people want to say it's 120

At some point Or the the wrong restoration of Israel, it's gonna happen again in the future.

Yeah. Yeah, so You got to keep those things in mind, but we are still brothers and sisters in Christ and that's is that's the main point

That we want to see people come into his kingdom. We want to see people saved. We want to see people to submit to Christ because Jesus says

Of himself that he is the way the truth in life No one can come to the Father but by him and that's that's the end -all be -all.

That's the bottom line That's where we all stand. That's our firm foundation As we said earlier we want to say what the

Bible says and we want to stand on that we want it to speak to Us so that we can speak it to you.

And that's what Jesus says and then there's no There's no tweaking that there's no way around it that the only way to be saved the only way to the

Father is through him And Jesus says we must repent of our sins and put our faith and trust in him

We've got to recognize that we are sinners It says that that sin is transgression of the law.

We've all broken God's law his commandments And and if you are so willing take a look at those commandments and see

See that you have broken them all just like we all have James chapter 2 verse 10 says if you keep the whole law and yet stumble at one point you're guilty of them all

So we we all stand before God guilty There there's no hope for us within us

There's no hope for us with anything in this that this world has to offer. No, no government.

No politician No world system no amount of meditation

Nothing. We must be rescued as it says in in Daniel chapter 12

Everyone who is found written in the book will be rescued. We've got to be rescued There's no if ands or buts about it

We can't save ourselves and Jesus came to this earth who was outside of this earth came in Came down to this earth took on the form of man lived a sinless life lived the life that we couldn't live live the life that Adam was supposed to live but didn't who didn't submit to the law of God and He he submitted himself to the

Father and Went willingly to the cross to take our punishment took the wrath of God in our place

He died and was resurrected and Now he sits he ascended to heaven where sits at the right hand of the father as king of kings and Lord of lords

He has all authority which has been given to him in heaven and on earth And he commands all men everywhere to repent put their faith and trust in him

And so if you've not done that we encourage you to do that tonight and if you have done that join with Dan and I as we want to see others as Be saved and be born again share the gospel

Dan, would you mind to close us in prayer? Sure dear Heavenly Father, thank you for Your goodness for your word and for your promises to us pray that you would

Keep us safe. Keep us in your word Keep us remembering who you are and cause us to love you more and more each day in Christ's name and pray.

Amen Amen, thank you guys for watching. We really appreciate it. Hope you will join us again soon.