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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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And good afternoon good evening welcome to the last dividing line before the Christmas holiday. We won't be here next Tuesday. I Suppose we could you know record something and you know, but no no reason to this is this is live webcasting.

And we're not gonna be here. We're gonna be doing what you're supposed to be doing on Christmas Day Lord willing. I'll be getting ready. To partake of yet another scrumptious yummy Christmas turkey and a Christmas turkey dressing from from my my parents.

And I have no idea what you're saying, so I can't respond a. Scrumptious yummy. Oh, it's it's well. You've had it. I've had is it not scrumptious. Yummy. It is not is not my dad's turkey. The best the best is it is delicious.

It is absolutely delicious. Yes, but you can't say it's the best because you're married so I. Well there is that there is that yes, you might get a very careful of things like that so anyway. So last one up and so what kind of Christmassy topics do we have today?

Well, we've got some stuff from Catholic answers. And I've got I've got a really fascinating clip from Abu Amr yasir Qadhi on the role of Muhammad as an intercessor. How's that? In other words nothing overly Christmassy actually, I mean, I suppose I could have done this.

I was and the phone lines are open.

Five three three three four one.

What's wrong. Rich not into. Yasir Qadhi's great. He really. No seriously. He's probably the best Islamic Lecture I've ever heard. I've been listening to hours of his lectures. I've got one of his books sitting here.

Nice-looking book. Isn't it. Explanation of a critic a critical study of shirk. How many Christians do you know that read? Yasir Qadhi's work on a critical study of shirk. Well I am. I suppose I could have done this tape set that was sent to me.

It's from Calvary Chapel, Pasadena. It's Javier Reese is the speaker. And it's Calvinism revealing the rigid reality of tulip. The five points of Calvinism. And basically it's if you take Dave Hunt and You take out the Experience that Dave Hunt has in speaking and.

And then and then you sort of run the information through the telephone game where it's sort of passed around a few times. That's what you got man. It's that Bad. He was talking about RC spruill today.

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Mean it's really bad when your original sources haven't read sprawl. But by the time you get to the third fourth or fifth generation it gets really bad at that point. It really is and I was gonna. I was gonna play I was gonna play parts of it.

But I honestly felt that people would object to my doing so because you know I mean What was what was the terminology that they used when they first started throwing Steve Greg's name. Our direction was we were picking?

Picking the fruit off the lower branches. I think was the terminology that people we were we were picking the low-hanging fruit.

A low-hanging fruit need to get somebody who was able to dedicate full-time. Subject wasn't off doing foreign missions and all these other things dividing their time.

We needed a real scholar and theologian to take this issue on and that's why I took the time to download the mp3s. And by the way March 31st 2008 Twin Lakes Church Somewhere in Northern, California obviously we'll need to put together a little page or advertisement.

Hey, maybe we can have Micah since Mike is up that direction put together put that into the rotation of the soon coming new a o min org. It's right around the corner folks right around the corner. The new new website looks right there, and it's it's it's I've seen it.

It's right there. Honestly. It's it's just around the corner Studio audience participation today. Thank you very much. We're supposed to have a studio audience today, but they haven't shown up yet. So let's keep an eye out for him.

They'll show up later, but anyway, maybe we can have Micah do that, but the March 31st Twin Lakes Church up in Northern, California Steve Greg and I and we're talking like four hours here and they can video record the whole thing and so He's talking about doing it on his program Afterwards, I'm not sure what my schedule is right afterwards I've got to look at that to see if I'm Even could be around to be able to do that.

Maybe we could have them on our program, too maybe that's how we could break up some of the exegetical stuff, I don't know I suppose That wouldn't actually be a bad idea not you think about it is if you did the debate and then and we did follow-up afterwards You can especially do the audience questions that way and do much more of the in-depth exegetical stuff Between the dividing line his radio program.

I don't know. We'll figure it out. But for those of you who have been Expecting The the debate between myself and itself and Steve Greg. It'll be March 31st Twin Lakes Church up in Northern, California.

Obviously, we'll be putting information up about that and You also want to make sure to mark on your calendar that you will be listening to the dividing line on Well, look at that New Year's Day Maybe maybe we'll be New Year's Day.

I don't know. Do we I Don't know. It's is the is the big big big big big announcement big big enough to To come in on New Year's Day, or do we have to wait to the third? I Will have to think about that but either the first the third we're gonna have the big big big big big announcement and What's the big announcement about it's it's about the next uber major debate big big big debates that we are arranging and Conference and the whole nine yards and there's gonna be lots and lots lots of people involved and it's gonna be really cool and I'm really excited about it.

And But we can't tell anything about it yet. So this is called a tease or a teaser. This is where we get you excited about stuff before we actually tell you what it is. So that's coming up right at the beginning of the year.

We will be making that announcement. So that will be that will be taking place at that time. So I'll make sure to be listening in so What I did put together today was Earlier, I guess this would be yes.

Was this yesterday? Let's see. What's yeah, this was yesterday the first guest on Catholic answers live was John Martin Yoni now, I don't know. I'll be honest with you I'm a little surprised that they have him on be on.

I know we're gonna get all sorts of nasty emails. But he just doesn't strike me as being even up to Catholic answers standard level. And and they throw biblical stuff at him and I'm like biblical stuff.

Wow. Okay. All right. Well Okay, so they're gonna put out there. Maybe we can respond to it. So a the first question comes in happens to be relevant to the subject of the at least the next portion of my response to Steve Ray and that is the text of Revelation chapter 12 the woman who gives birth who has Gives birth to the Son who is Jesus the early church believed that was the church.

Later generations decide to add Mary to that now you can now I love the exegesis quote-unquote of many modern Roman Catholic Theologians and apologists is you can just find all sorts of it's it's the church and and it's Mary and it's this and it's that and it's all these things and and You know this this somehow becomes well, she's in heaven already so the assumptions taking place and she she has a body and and all this stuff is is read into this a Book that normally Roman Catholics leave to Hal Lindsey.

You know, but all of a sudden they they they grab hold of this one and you've got Revelation chapter 12 being Mary and all the rest of us, let's let's listen to the the phone call and Make some comments as we go along here.

And yes, you are more than welcome to call at eight seven seven seven five three Three three four one if you have some other subjects you'd like to raise as well.

Got you in Sugarland, Texas next. Hello there.

Hi John and Jerry Joe here, I wanted to about the assumption of Mary. What is the church? Teaching on that tradition. I know it's not in the in the Bible anywhere particularly. What is the tradition on that?

Okay. Well now that's not a tradition. That is a dogma. Okay. D-o-g-m-a. It has been defined as an infallible truth not merely a tradition. It is an infallible truth. And remember the words of Jerry medics who informed us that we have just as much of a warrant to believe in the Assumption of Mary as we have to believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Or let's turn that around. We have as much reason to believe in the resurrection as we have the assumption of Mary. Because both have been vouchsafed by the church. That is at least a consistent if not radically bad Epistemology right there.

Okay, well a couple different things here. Number one is on the assumption of Mary if you read. It's it's paragraph 966 in the Catechism. It talks about how into heavenly glory and some people say well does that mean she died or she didn't die?

No, and I there are two main lines of tradition.

Yeah, you know if the question is whether she died or didn't die there would be two main.

That I have seen and one is it was right at the moment of her death the heaven. It was rising. She's gone. I've seen another tradition. I got this Fascinating book that was really that's that's called the Virgin Mary and it contains a lot of things about Mary and Mary's life.

That are what we would call small tea traditions things that were taught as.

This is way back when kind of filling in the blanks for the very things that eventually create dogma a couple hundred years later. That's the problem once you deny us all scriptura, what's in Scripture.

And and.

One of the traditions that's in this book Again that you don't really find being taught anywhere in the church these days that might be indication of something. Was it Mary died? Just like Jesus was. They had sent out word that she was on folks that had known Mary all came back to Jerusalem and.

They must have used cell phones to spread this information around obviously. One of the Apostles, I don't know what you know what you're to say that they all flew in. Remember, I don't make this stuff up.

Remember that in in part that that that there were there were Indulgences given to people to go visit Mary's house or the Annunciation took place which was in Italy and they honestly believed that the angels had picked the house up from Israel and had flown it to Italy and so when you went and visited the house you got indulgences.

I am NOT making this stuff up. So don't even look at me that way. You didn't know that did you know? You did not know that now, you know that I'm talking to rich everybody else knew that. But anyway, which one?

I can't remember which one it was. Didn't make it in time and Mary died. They put her in the tomb and sealed the tomb and the Apostle got back three days later three days after death and And said hey, I I have to fear I have to see her body.

You know, I just have to see her one more time. And so they unsealed, you know, it's and this is from.

1850 now that this is more ancient than that, but it's nowhere near being Anything that would they would have any meaningful connection to this is about the same time period as Muhammad. Guys. Okay, now you get the connection that that you know that that distance of time away.

But here we have it being used on a Catholic apologetics program in 2007.

But it's certainly a.

Parallel thing just as the Immaculate Conception is a parallel thing and the bodily assumption and perpetual virginity and co-mediatrix and co-redemptrix. And you start seeing the point because she did not.

Ascend of her own power. She was assumed by his power. So so those are the two main lines of tradition I've seen in terms of her death. Now if you want to talk about scripture Yes, there is no particular scripture that says Mary was indeed assumed into heaven.

Now, isn't that is that odd way?

Yes, there is no scripture that says this. Why would you say? Yes, there is no scripture.

That's not even what the guy asked, but there's none that says she wasn't well.

There's none that says she didn't play NBA basketball too, but is that somehow relevant? No, it's not. And there's another standard form of argumentation, well it happened to other folks so it could happen to Mary.

Does I mean Steve Ray does the same thing? Jerry medics, they're forced to use this kind of argumentation. Well, you know God could do it and it's fitting that he should do it so he did do it and this is dogma and of course you could use that to substantiate and anything.

Absolutely positively anything. As Long as some church that thinks it's got the authority to do it can come along and say it and force people to believe It. You can substantiate any kind of argumentation.

Utilizing that kind of reasoning. It's just amazing.

So why not Mary. Plus we see in Revelation 12 the first few verses talks about this woman Who is in heaven and she has a head and feet. In other words? She has a body.

Well, that's awfully good. But she also gave birth to a child and she had child pains. Now pains are a part of the curse. Mary wasn't under the curse. Why'd she have pain and giving birth to the child if this is in fact Mary?

Well, that's when you get into the all the well, this is just an allegory and blah that's the part of the church, but the rest of it's about Mary and and the the wonderful Magical form of isogenesis that comes once you have an ultimate authority called Rome to tell you what you should find the Bible.

She's in heaven. So who is this woman. If you. If you read the rest of Revelation all the other folks they talk about in heaven. They're talking about the souls of people. But this woman has a body.

Yeah, so the dragon I'm not sure that's supposed to be. Even though that's not what the early church viewed it as why don't we hear that? Well.

Mother Angelica's show that Apostle was Thomas. Thomas. Okay. Yeah, poor guy. Always a day late. He came and doubting Thomas wanted to see the body and she wasn't there.

Thank you, John. Hey Joe before you go. I said Sugarland when I enter poor Thomas. I really feel sorry for Thomas.

I mean Thomas even got blamed, you know, Thomas get blank gets blamed for the gospel of Thomas Which of course he had nothing to do with and Thomas gets blamed for being Jesus twin brother by the talpiot tomb theorist guys and Poor Thomas.

I mean you doubt once.

Your reputations ruin the rest. Sugarland or Sugarland. Sugarland. Sugarland, okay. Well, yeah, I apologize to everyone there in what I'm sure is a beautiful area known as Sugarland, Texas. Thank you.

Thanks Joe. God bless. Have a blessed Christmas. One phone line open there as we stay in the Lone Star State. So we'll go to Sandra in San Antonio next. Hi there. Hi.

My name is Sandra. I'm calling from San Antonio, Texas and the question that I had This afternoon is Earlier when you were talking about the church and the Bible and the fact that the church witness was witness to the Bible.

When you say the church Is that the Catholic Church? that you're referring to.

Now the reason I continued on to this one is This is the constant practice of Roman Catholic apologists Roman Catholic theologians. They simply assume and Constantly repeat that the church of those early centuries is in some fashion Which they very rarely want to define very clearly but is in some fashion the Church of Rome and They play fast and loose with the term Catholic now Catholic Katahalas according to the whole the Universal Church is a term used very early on especially when there would be schisms there would be the Donatus controversy the innovation controversy all these types of things in the early church and the majority would be referred to as Katahalas according to the whole the Catholic Church and So they they just assume that because they use that term that they can get away with saying.

Oh, yes. It was it was a Catholic Church. We all saw this During the massive media explosion that surrounded the death of John Paul the second and While his health was failing those last few days. You had all these people appearing on Fox News and CNN and and they're talking about the 2 ,000 year history of the Catholic Church and blah blah blah blah blah blah and you know These are the same people who love to parrot John Henry Cardinal Newman and his statement to be to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant well, you know, it's it's.

It's real nice to you know, quote folks like that. And then though I think if you're going to you might want to be ready to give a meaningful response To why Newman for example opposed the the dogma of the infallibility of the Pope?

You might want to be prepared to answer for those things why he had to develop The development Hypothesis so as to in essence abandon the historical field of battle because he recognized you could not in a meaningful fashion inhabit the historical field of battle and establish such things as the the reign of the papacy in the early Centuries when there wasn't even a single bishop in Rome until about 141 45.

They had a plurality of elders there, which is the biblical model anyway, and so if you're gonna quote these things, you know it's it's real easy to to you know pop those things off and to to make that kind of a statement, but the reality is very very very different and I have so many times Challenged people on this this issue is look you want to say that the Church of Rome today is The the ancient Church of history, okay define the connection is it the same in regards to faith and belief?

Then you should be able to find me people in those very same early centuries of which you speak Who would believe what you believe about the dogmas of the faith? Are you gonna tell me that they didn't believe the dogmas you believe and that's because they hadn't yet been developed.

So they believed a different gospel than you believe. The dogmatic Central core elements of their faith is different than your faith. How that what's the meaningful sense in which this is the same church then is it say is it the same in name only?

It's certainly you you recognize that in all sorts of elements. It has changed I mean the the church of that the early century did not have seven sacraments as Rome has today. The concept of the infallibility of the Pope was not there the doctrine purgatory wasn't even develop Into any meaningful form for hundreds of years, so so what's what's the nature of this sameness?

What's the nature of this alleged? Unity over time that is the question that has to be asked and answered. But so often all you get is just the assumption and that's pretty much what we're gonna get here.

Oh, absolutely. In the Catholic Church the word Catholic whether I'll see your capital C means universal.

It and you can look at the teachings we've got doc. Yes. Capitalization has never really been known to completely affect the meaning.

It's from the early church fathers.

What does that mean. We have writings early church. Father. Well of course we do. So do we. So what I mean everybody has. Everyone possesses these writings. What does that mean? What is the essence of that assertion I?

Mean to make a meaningful argument unless all you want to do is impress a Narrow audience of already believers. If that's all you're trying to do okay, then this works. But if on a national radio program you're actually attempting to make a point in reference to the the essence of why your faith is superior to that of Others who would deny the assertions you're making you've got to give us something more.

You've got to give us something really to work with. There's there's really no doubt about that. I mean people can dispute it all they want but You have a lot of folk. It went into apostasy or when Constantine came along.

In the early team took over the church, and it went into apostasy so the Catholic Church was no more.

And you know so you're happy who says that is that some passing reference to? That couldn't be a passing reference to to the Da Vinci code. I have no idea where he's coming from on that. And by the way earlier in the program He had attempted to address art some arguments against old scriptura and he tried to substantiate the idea of the supremacy of the church to the Bible and In the process demonstrated that once again the the straw man argument was put forward that you have two extremes.

It's either you and your Bible alone under a tree without a knowledge Church history without being taught by anyone else. That's the Protestant view or that of the church and so on the the day of Pentecost Thousands were joined to the church and so since the church is there that must be the Roman Catholic Church.

And so there must have been popes and and prelates and bishops, and they were all meeting in Trent or something. I don't know, but you have the same kind of you know really shallow straw man argumentation.

Which again tells me who are these people trying to reach who are these people trying to be? Apologists to. Is it a is it the already convinced who want to remain convinced that is this sort of an inoculation against truth?

Or are they actually trying to seek to convince people who have some knowledge of these things that what they're saying is actually true.

Even non Catholics who will admit That the early church was indeed the Catholic Church, but then they won't admit our 20th century. So folks. They know it wasn't the Catholic Church at all. What I do is I say we'll pick up some folks pick up some of the early church fathers.

They're out there first century second century. And see if they aren't Catholic.

That exactly I say do the exact same thing do the exact same thing and. Make sure however to define what modern Rome has defined as dogma. What has she defined as dogma if you're gonna accept this idea that well.

You know. Hey as long as there's just some similarities, then everything is okay, and it's the same church.

No.

Let's look at dogma. You find me those people in the first two centuries Who believe what you must believe to be a faithful Roman Catholic about Mary. You show them to me you bring them to me? Irenaeus didn't.

Don't even don't even go there. I've read him I know what he says about Mary, and there's no way you can twist him. Into a person who believes the dogma is about Mary that you believe it doesn't exist.

They did those doctrines are unknown. Nobody during that time period not even it I mean the heretics were just starting to dream some of these things up at that point in time. So nobody believed as a dogmatic definition of the church what you believe about Mary.

Think about that. Do you hear me? Don't just immediately run off to try to find a way around it. Neither did they believe in the supremacy of the bishop of Rome as the infallibility of the church. Look at Cyprian in them in in the middle of the third century.

Look at what he believed that all Bishops sat upon the cathedral of Petri that they all sat upon the chair of Peter not just the bishop in Rome. Take a look at these things. Consider that no one had ever even used the word transubstantiation at this point.

Let alone would they have the philosophical baggage required to even make heads or tails out of it. So if you don't have the papacy you don't have Mary you don't have transubstantiation. You don't have celibate priests who are an altar Christus.

You don't have seven sacraments excuse me. But how do you say that's the Roman Catholic Church again? What what's the what's the what's the consistency? What's the basis here?

That's what I'd like to do what they write and what they teach and you'll see that indeed these folks are Catholic.

They talk about the bishops and wow they talk about the bishops. Yes, they did. They don't talk about the bishop of Rome being the head of church and. Of course bishop and elder and pastor are used interchangeably in the New Testament, so no problem there.

How does that demonstrate the unique elements? That are necessary to for the defining of the Roman Catholic Church.

That's the question about receiving Christ in the Eucharist.

Oh in that yeah, and you know what Eucharist? Oh is that is a Greek word that means? Thanksgiving. Where do we find that that has to be done by a sacramental priest who is an altar Christus? Where do we find that this involves?

Transubstantiation. Where do we find this involves the representation the singular sacrifice of Christ? And that it is a perpetuatory sacrifice, but can save no one and perfects. No one. Where do you find that in these writings?

Giving the Eucharist. Oh bread, you know the bread of the Eucharist and so on. They talk about prayers for the dead.

Prayers for the dead as in for refrigerium that is for their refreshment not for their removal from purgatory. We will continue with John Martin Joni and his comments on Catholic answers and yes some other topics right after our break.

Reformed Apologetics and the Critique of Catholic Proof-Texting

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The Catholic Church, Apostolic Succession, and the Early Fathers

And welcome back to the dividing line the last dividing line before the Christmas holiday and I am joined in studio by by a voice that in many ways is Primarily remembered by most of our listeners for having said the word.

Alaska.

Alaska there it is. Well, I thought you do practice that every once in a while or just.

No, it's especially better after you've had about two hours of sleep the night before so you sound just wonderful. And that's about how much sleep you had last night, right? Yeah, we had some great connections coming from Tampa.

We stopped off and saw the beautiful city of Houston. Got to see some of their better hotel establishments there. I think the the room that we had that Continental put us up in was about I think it was.

They're renting it about $15 every hour. But it was wonderful.

Well, you know, it's funny when I flew back from a Nashville a couple weeks ago I had to fly southwest and they stopped in San Antonio. We had the worst Turbulence, you know the up-and-down turbulence coming in the San Antonio of any flight ever about it was like we were riding a rollercoaster.

It was the whoosh whoosh through those through those thunderstorms. It was so much fun. It truly was it was amazing but Michael Fallon's with it and We can't really tell you what we'd like to tell you today.

As I said the beginning of the program we have a big announcement to make on January 1st and one of the reasons we don't do this just simply to make people angry with us, but we do this because it's sort of silly to make an announcement and say and in a few weeks we'll Have information for you so you can go to website.

You know, the tough thing is is because we really want to make sure that everybody knows we're gonna make the announcement. We're not just trying to to play some sort of marketing ploy here or whatever.

But the the whole thing is is that we do have something that's great that we are lining up right now. The gentleman that we have spoken to has already agreed in principle to everything. It's just a question of my lawyer getting that contract to him and.

Making sure that we can tie this all up, but it will be Mike. You just gave something away. You said him we had some people guessing I was gonna be debating Paula White. I'm sorry, but she could she could.

Honestly we'd have to give her a half the amount of time that I do because she can she. She and Jerry. Maddix is the only human beings. I know who can talk without breathing.

But well, no you she does but she she takes one of those, you know, like every 20 seconds or so. But the interesting thing is is if you did debate her. Yes. Um, you would know that her her her. Message would have been preached two weeks prior.

Another Pentecostal so.

Well, I guess we can lame on views of viewpoints of guests on the dividing line or there's alone and not necessarily. So anyway, but yes, we we have a big announcement to make and obviously this is in reference to future conferences debates and The normally associated Activities that go there with and whenever Michael Fallon is around.

You sort of have a clue as to what some of those involve but we're looking forward to this and You you said that you said a big fella. So yeah, it's gonna. Are the Christmas lights bothering you there.

No, the Temu's lights. Yes are bothering me at this point. You know here sitting in the two Babylon's. It's no just kidding. I love Christmas, too. No, I think that one of the things that we really have to have tried to do over the past few years is a lot of folks Realize that there are a couple guys that are out there that are very public not just in any sort of critique of reformed theology but the authority of Scripture and.

That's about all I can say. Oh, yes, you just gave a lot away, right? Yeah, actually. So better stop, right?

Well, I think it's important though for us to remember that, you know, Alpha and Omega is an apologetics ministry. Hey, I think one of the things that we always want to do is make sure that we are on the cutting edge.

Would you say or write all on the the front of the battle lines to be able to? counter most of the arguments that are coming across and not just spend two years writing a book about it and So forth that James has always done a great job and rich of making sure that these things happen.

So we're just there to help assist to put them all in place and as usual We'll try to keep everything as usual extremely affordable. So that's very important to us and plus we have some other Bonuses, they're gonna be going along with it this year.

That could be very entertaining for everybody. Very entertaining indeed. Yes, and it's gotten both of us to.