Matt Slick Live: September 27, 2024

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It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers.

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Host Introduction and Show Setup

All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. And also, you can send me an email, that's easy to do.

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All right.

No big deal. We have nobody waiting on the phones right now. So last night, for the second night in a row, I was invited in to discuss Reformed Theology in a chat room. And so, you know, but anybody who was there listening, you want to call in, you can comment about it, not a big deal, because we have slow calls on Fridays anyway.

But here's the thing, is I've rarely ever been treated that badly by anybody, including atheists, you know, Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, Muslims. I can't even think of, well, I have been treated worse than these guys, that was by the Universalists.

They had stuff that was so bad, it was just, it was incredible, the stuff they called me. These guys weren't that bad. But they were bad. They were horrible, condescending, insulting, when they'd ask a question, there was an insult.

In it.

You know, why did the Calvinists always deceive people when they say such and such? It's just stuff like this. And I said, what? What are you talking about? And they said that the God of Calvinism is evil, and I'm like, what?

Where are you getting all this stuff? And then one thing, for example, they said, does God decree everything? I said, can you define what you mean by decree? And they couldn't define it, you know, they just don't understand.

What God makes it happen. I said, well, there's a sense in which He directly causes or indirectly permits it. So both of those are within the decree of God, in that He will permit people to do things against Him, but it can't occur unless He permits it to occur within His sovereign.

Plan.

And I said, so the decree is by direct and indirect means. And they said, oh, so you think God decrees evil, doesn't He? You're saying that?

Hey, everybody get that?

He decrees His evil. And it's like, are you guys not listening? And this is how it went, rapid. And then we did an after show afterwards. And people came in and they said, I guess you didn't know, Matt, how bad these guys.

Were.

I didn't know.

I didn't know.

If I didn't know, I wouldn't have, you know, bothered. But some things did happen out of it. There were people in that room, chat room, who were saying, you guys are treating Matt and also a guy named Scott, he may call, I don't know.

He was in there.

He did pretty well. He's reformed also. He did really well. And even people, even an atheist was listening, said he couldn't believe how badly they acted.

It was pretty bad.

So they actually banned me so that I couldn't come back in and talk. I said to one of them, hey, your total depravity is showing.

And boom, that's it, we're not talking to you anymore.

And such whining babies. My daughters have a name for people like that. They call them man babies. I love that term. I call them diaper Indians, you know. But they're man babies because they're diaper Indians.

So that's what was going on.

But man.

And also, this one guy, he said, Jesus, boy, that's the end of everybody who ever lived.

And I said, really? He's sure.

Which is the 1 Samuel 3, 14 read, you know, say, and I quoted it to him, where God says, I get a kick out of this. God says, I've sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquities of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.

I said, so did Jesus bear their sin? He said, of course he did. I said, really?

He says, you got the context wrong.

I said, OK, what's the context? He goes, well, let's read it. So I said, you don't know the context. Otherwise, you wouldn't say, let's go read it.

He goes, he got mad at me.

And so we read the whole context.

It didn't change anything.

So he finally admitted. One of these guys admitted.

He says, yeah, OK, didn't do that.

That's an exception.

He said, so it proved my point? Did you admit it's an exception?

Didn't mean to admit.

He didn't bear the sin of everybody who ever lived, right?

And when you make a big deal, you're saying that's like everybody? I said, that's not what I said.

Oh, man, these guys were just man babies.

Oh, you know, I get a kick out of this stuff.

I got issues. But I love hate mail. I love wacko mail. I love it when people are just obstreperous to a point. And then they get uppity.

Uppity.

That's what it is. And he didn't like being cornered. And then at one point, I said, OK, so watch this 214. And Jesus canceled the sin debt at the cross. And they go, yeah, that's right.

That's what it says.

It canceled the sin debt.

This is what the one guy actually said.

He said, I've said, well, wait a minute now. So he canceled everybody's sin debt, right?

Yes.

All of it, right?

Everybody?

Yes, that's right.

Everybody.

He said, except for the house of Eli. He got mad at me for bringing that up. And I said, so everybody, OK, forget the house of Eli. So everybody's sin is canceled, right? He said, then why does anybody go to hell?

Long pause.

Because, I said, their sin is not existing anymore. It's all, it's all gone, right? And what kind of receive it? Oh, so then you're saying that the power of the cross depends on what you do? How would you receive it?

Oh, they didn't like that either. And so I said, so the cancer, what happens? The sin that's canceled at the cross, did it cancel for everybody?

They said, yeah.

They said, then how can anybody go to hell? And he said, because they sin some more.

Crickets.

Crickets. Even the crickets are looking at each other like, what?

What do you say? What was that?

I mean, these answers were, oh, man, they were bad. And so I think that's why they kicked me out. Because they didn't like getting pinned left and right. While they're calling me a heretic.

But wait a minute. How can I be a heretic? How can I be the one saying stupid things?

I didn't say that, but it was. It was called stupidification from the man babies.

Oh, man.

See, I have fun with stuff like this. Okay, wait a second. You use that word man rather liberally, Matt. That's what Humble Clay says in the chat room. Now, speaking of which, if you want to join us in the chat room, it's easy.

Just go to Rumble.

Rumble .com forward slash. Matt Slick live. And all one word. And you'll find.

You can get in there and chat.

And the people, we've been in there. Oh, they've been in there for a long time. And they get a little bit confident in their slight insults that they deliver towards me. Sometimes, you know, they'll say big jokes and stuff.

It's all good.

I have a lot of fun in there. The light at the end of the tunnel was an oncoming slick train.

Yeah, I like that one, too.

That's pretty good.

Humble Clay's got some good stuff.

He does pretty well in the chat room. Let's see. Randall said, Before I left, I told them they weren't acting like Christians. They were mean and that they needed to apologize to you guys and repent to God.

Yeah, that's true.

That is true.

Oh, yeah.

Last night was pathetic. That's what one guy says.

Call in.

We can talk about it. And that also talked about a nice Friday.

Fridays are loose.

So there you go. Being banned by morons is a compliment. Let's see. So I didn't leave. See it live. Showed up late and thumbed through it. They acted like liberal lefties.

Yeah.

So you take it well, Matt. That's what Laura says. Well, you know, it's just it's interesting to me how people can act so badly.

The man babies. The diberonians. You can't talk to me like that because it's truth that I don't have an answer. So I'm going to get rid of you. See, that's how they handle it.

All right.

I guess I'm making myself have a good time. I don't know about anybody out there, but I'm cracking up having a good time.

All right.

I think we have no callers. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276. So let's try this. Let's get to some of the emails, email questions. And I like this name. I tease this guy. His name is Bill Cannot.

And I said, what can I do? And, you know, anyway, I'm sure he's never heard that. So, Matt, what are your thoughts on this? Something I just recently thought about when we die and even our physical brain and our spirit are disconnected.

And yet there is some sort of consciousness. It's been over that little bit already. My thought, could the brain merely be a sort of conduit between the physical brain and the spirit? The physical brain being a conduit to the spirit.

That's what it means.

And the spirit evidence that we have and the scientific evidence that we have of different parts of the brain working, lighting up, are merely the physical communication with the spirit.

Yes.

Now, that's a good point, good question. There actually has been a lot of discussion, even among secularists. How is it that the brain can affect the mind? And what is that mind? And an injury can affect your understanding of stuff.

And I've mentioned this before. I had a friend back in San Diego. And he had a brain injury that they had to do surgery on his brain or something. And afterwards, his friends told me this, that he became a Jew.

He was a Christian and then lost his faith in Christianity and became a Jew. And this had happened immediately after the brain surgery. I'm not saying one connected to the other, but it was interesting.

So, what is the relationship between the mind and the spirit? Can they affect each other? These are just discussions that people have had. And we don't know all the answers to that. It's just good stuff, though, to talk about.

All right.

The car people left when Matt was boated. Oh, that thing last night?

Yeah.

I left several comments in the YouTube thread.

Yeah, good.

They acted really badly.

They did.

All right.

Let's get to another question.

Let's see.

How about this? Can you please define sin nature and explain how humanity inherits sin because of Adam? Well, that's a good question. What is a sin nature? We have a human nature. So, Adam had a human nature.

Had.

Still is human. Here's the thing. When Adam was made, before he fell, he was in a physical body. And he had a human nature that was not fallen. After he sinned, he was still human. But there was an effect upon that humanity in that now it was fallen.

So, what we have here are basically the difference between what's called essential and accidental properties. An essential property is necessary to the thing. But the accidental properties are not necessary.

A sin nature is an accidental property, not an essential property. Let me explain. An essential property of a circle is its roundedness. But all circles have roundness without exception. So, an accidental property would be the diameter of a circle.

Because though all circles have a diameter, the diameter can change. You can have a diameter circle 1 meter in diameter or half a meter or a mile or an inch. It doesn't matter. And so, the distance or the length of the diameter is an accidental property.

It's still part of the circle, but it can vary. And one circle can have a diameter of 10 inches. Another circle will not have that diameter, but it's still a circle. It can have 5 inches. So, that's a difference.

That's what accidental and essential is. So, the essential property to the human nature is whatever that stuff is that's human. But the accidental property would be our fallenness. Now, and we know this because Adam was human before and after the fall.

So, how do we inherit Adam's sin? It's because he represented us in federal headship. He was the one who was our ancient father. He sinned, and then his fallen nature produces other fallen natures biologically and spiritually.

And that's how that works. And there's a music. We'll be right back after these messages. Why don't you give me a call? 877 -207 -2276.

We'll be right back.

Federal Headship, Sin Nature, and Human Fallenness

It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show on this slow Friday. Nobody's calling in. Why don't you be the first? 877 -207 -2276. All right, as a heads up, I'll be on the radio all next week. And after that, I'm off for three weeks.

We'll be doing reruns for three weeks from October roughly 7th to the 27th, 28th, whatever. I'm going to Europe. I'm going to be doing a Bible Lands tour. So, I'll not be on the air for that period of time.

And we'll be checking out different countries, doing the footsteps of Paul. And so, looking forward to that. And we're going to have a good time. Bed prepping, getting stuff ready, and all of that. So, if you have questions and comments before then, well, call now.

Call next week, whatever it is, and we can blab. So, the number again is 877 -207 -2276. Now, we can get back to the issue of, where's the emails here?

Some of the emails.

Now, that was Jennifer who was asking that question. She asked a previous one, I think the day before, an email. It was a good question, too. It is a good question. So, would any human have chosen to disobey God in the Garden of Eden if it wasn't Adam or Eve?

I believe the answer is yes. The reason I believe this, this is my opinion. If you disagree, that's okay. Okay, so, I believe that only God has the quality, the necessary, essential property of holiness.

We do not. And holiness belongs to God's nature alone. It's essential to His essence. And so, He cannot sin. He cannot do what is wrong. But that is part of His divine nature. When He makes us, we don't possess holiness or divinity.

Because holiness is part of His divine nature. Therefore, because of that lack in us, and it can't be part of us. Then, when He makes us in His image, then we will sin. Not because He makes it the case, but because in our freedom, this is my opinion, that it's just a matter of time before we blow it.

Because we don't have all wisdom, all knowledge, and know what is right and wrong the way God does. We also don't possess the holy nature that God does. So, it's almost a necessity that will fall. Not that God is making us do that.

But I just think there's something related to the issue of we don't have divinity.

And we can't.

Because it would mean that God is making little gods. That doesn't happen. So, I'm thinking that's why anybody would have sinned. I just think they would have. And part of the answer... I'm going to find this verse again.

It is here in 1 Timothy 5 .21. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in the spirit of partiality.

So, chosen angels. I think what that means. This is my opinion again. I think what that means is that they were the angels chosen by God not to fall when Satan fell. And that God did something to them.

Worked in them. I don't know what it is. But enabled them or...

I don't know.

I can't even say. So that they wouldn't sin. And that's what I think is going on there. So, that's why I say yes, I believe that they would have sinned. Everybody would have eventually. She says, I'm a Christian but I struggle feeling it's unfair that all humans automatically have sin nature because of Adam and Eve who disobeyed God first and brought sin in.

I feel bad. I think this because I'm...

Okay.

So, think about this. That the way Jesus died for our sins, it wasn't fair for Him to be beaten. It wasn't fair for Him to go to the cross. And there, representing us, He purchased our redemption. And it wasn't fair but it's what was good.

It's what was logistically right in order for us. Well, the same thing with Adam. Sin entered the world through one man, Adam, Romans 5 .12. So, He was our federal head, our representative. Just as the last Adam, 1 Corinthians 15 .45, that's Jesus, was the one who represented us.

So, because Adam's representative ability was because of Christ's representative ability. That's what I believe.

All right?

Okay. Now, let's see the next question here. Do you want to give me a call? 877 -207 -2276.

All right.

So, I got a notice. Cynthia's calling the show but no one is answering.

Okay.

I'm talking to the producers. The producers didn't know that. Maybe they don't know if something's up, if there's a problem. I don't know. So, what we can do is she wants to type in in the chat room. I think she's in the chat room over there.

Let's see.

Yeah.

Type in her question in the chat and get to it. We can do it that way too.

All right?

So, maybe there's an issue with the phones and that's why.

Okay.

Let's see.

Did you hear that callers aren't being answered?

Okay.

Let's see. Okay.

So, let's get to another email in the meantime. How about this? Matt, love your show. What is your stance on vaccinations? I think some vaccinations are very good. I think some vaccinations are not very good.

Specifically, the HPV hepatitis B. I have no idea. A certain job employer wants their employees to have this and I'm on the fence about this one.

All right.

So, here's the thing. When I was working at a hospital and coming in contact with sick people, they required, in order to work at the hospital, they required certain shots and inoculations. And I agreed to it.

I have no problem with that. And one of the reasons was because I didn't want to get infected but also did not want to infect others who are sick. One of my jobs, I had two interesting jobs at the hospital in San Diego.

I did it for a few years. I enjoyed it. And one was registering patients in the emergency room. And so, a lot of people would come in and we'd do it in Spanish. And you'd meet people who were sick, people who, you know, I got some stories, interesting stuff.

And so, we don't want to get them sick. If they come in, their immune system is run down. So, vaccination for me is a good idea to not get them sick. And if they have some germs, because a lot of them, I'll just say it this way, they were illegals.

We didn't turn them in or anything. They came for help. We just helped them. And a lot of them were illegals, you could tell. And who knows what country they came from and what diseases they might have.

So, this was a legitimate concern. I was also a transporter. So, I'd take people in and out of operating rooms, to the morgue, rooms for procedures to be done, transporting them. And so, a lot of times, these people would be in, you know, weakened condition.

So, it was smart for me to be inoculated, take those vaccinations, so that there wouldn't be any problems with them. So, yeah, I don't have any problem with that kind of stuff. Now, if it's just, you know, you're going to work delivering mail, I don't think it's necessary, but whatever.

This employer is a security guard company contacting, working for an urgent care branch of a large hospital. See, I would think that would be okay, because you're going to come in contact with people at hospitals and urgent cares and things like that.

And help info would be greatly appreciated. So, that's just my opinion. I'm not a doctor. I'm not pretending to be one or anything like that. I'm just a theologian. And if I had that job and they wanted me to take that, I'd go, yeah, okay.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with it. All right, so we had a caller coming in. Okay, so there is a problem with the phones. There is a problem with the phones. We'll work through it. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

Please stay tuned.

We'll be right back.

Vaccinations, Hospital Work, and Public Health Prudence

It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the phones are now working. 877 -207 -2276. I called and tested during the break, and they said, Matt Slick Live!

And I said, this is Matt Slick. It sounded funny.

And so anyway, I don't know what happened, but now they're working. All right, so let's get on the phones with Jan from North Carolina. Jan, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you very much for taking my call, Mr. Slick.

Sure.

I have a question concerning, are you familiar with and what is your opinion on the infancy Gospels of Thomas?

It's a pseudo-apocryphal document. It's an apocryphal document. It's not legit. It's not real. It's just something written later on. It's attributed to Thomas.

Has it been in existence a long time?

I'm sorry, what?

Has that document been in existence a long time, or is that a relatively new thing?

Actually, I don't know. I don't know when it was first written and first developed. But these things, they generally came in with the first few centuries, within one, two, three hundred years of Jesus, because Christianity was so popular and it heard so much that a lot of people were writing things about him and saying, hey, we know about this.

And they were trying to start their own religious movements and they wanted Jesus on their team. So that's what the Gospel of Thomas is and the infancy Gospel of Thomas and things like that. So it's probably written usually within one to two hundred years of Christ, things like that.

Usually, that's how they are.

But no basis of truth, you don't think?

No.

Well, you see, the basis of truth, I can't say there's no truth in it, but it's not Scripture. It's not considered to be authentic. It could be that someone who wrote 150 years later knows something in the Bible and wrote about it, so there's a truth in it.

So that's what I'm saying is it's not considered Scripture. It's not inspired. Don't take it seriously. And I hope you're not. Do you have a reason for this?

I don't know what's going on.

No, I was just curious about it. I spoke to my pastor and I was like, are there any stories of Jesus, you know, as a child? And I was just curious. I said, you know, just thinking with him having powers, he might not be fully aware of how to utilize it.

He might have done things that made his parents embarrassed or confused and things like that. And so I was looking at things like the childhood of Jesus. Of course, on YouTube, the Infancy Gospels popped right up.

So, yeah.

Yeah, I would not. I wouldn't worry about it.

And the Bible says, you know, it spoke of the 12 clay birds killing a friend and being accused and saying, come back to life and say, I didn't do that. His father sent him to school, that kind of thing, you know, and he killed his teacher.

You know, it was a really. That's why I'm asking you, because it was a very odd thing. So, yeah.

Yes.

So here's some scripture that will help you out with this. So this is the account in Luke, chapter two, when the family of Jesus went into Jerusalem to go to the temple. And as would often happen, the families would be in a camel train, a walking train of people, mules or whatever it would be.

And this would be often quite long. And so the families were extended. So your own child could be up 200 feet ahead, staying with friends or a cousin. And they'd be with him all day or two days. That wasn't uncommon because we're so tight knit.

So they kind of lost contact with Jesus and stuff like that. They, you know, where are you and stuff like that. But at any rate, he says, why are you looking for me? This is Luke 2, 49. Did you not know I'd be in my father's house when I finally got to Jerusalem?

And he did not understand the statement which he had made, verse 51. And he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and he continued in subjection to them. And his mother treasured all these things in her heart.

So he remained in Nazareth in subjection to his mother and his father. He didn't go anywhere else. It wasn't all this stuff. Okay?

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Did that help?

So, you know, that's an honest. I mean, that's something that can be verified. You can put your finger on that, you know. So it's nothing but to just. And that's why I was searching for information. I thought it might be Gnostic, and I wasn't sure.

It's a pseudotypical.

It had a little Gnostic ring to it.

Right.

It's just whack. He's vengeful.

He's mean.

Jesus is portrayed that way in that apocryphal document.

Yeah.

It was a very dark. It was dark.

Yeah.

It was a dark, dark view of Jesus. You know, he teaches Maxim. And instead of turning the other cheek, he kills him. Is not what I would expect.

So, yeah, it's something a Muslim would write. You know, Muslims would write.

So I wonder who or what religion or, you know, that does that originate from? Who is that? You know, that believes that and puts that in their doctrine.

Anyone?

No, not I'm aware of. But there are some groups that will use the Gnostic Gospels and they'll say they're true. And, you know, they just don't have all their paws in the litter box. You know, they don't know what's going on.

Yeah. So it's more of a shock and shock and all kind of thing.

A lot of it.

Well, thank you for your information. That is what I wanted to know. And I will not be concerned with those twelve mud birds anymore.

So, yeah. Good.

Because it didn't happen.

All right.

Exactly. Exactly. It didn't happen.

Exactly.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you for your time. I do appreciate. I call you often. I always love your answers. So thank you very much.

Well, good. I'm glad.

Thanks.

All right.

God bless you.

Talk to you again soon. Thank you, sir.

Bye bye. OK.

All right. We have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. And what I'll do now is I'm going to get back to the e-mails. Get some more e-mails here.

Here's one. What is up with all the Christians refusing to vote because both are wicked? What's up with that?

Why?

Why should Christians vote? I'm voting for Trump. People are telling me to repent because of communism.

Oh, man.

So I'm not sure I understand all the sentence structure. But Christians need to vote. And, man, it's a tough one out there. I would say do a hierarchical structure of who's the very worst at the bottom and then work your way up.

Whoever's left, that's about all you got, OK?

So, yeah. Yeah.

There's more I could talk about, but I won't.

All right.

Let's try another one here. I'm looking for a Bible study that could be used for a college campus Bible study to reach the lost. Do you have any recommendations? You know, I know there's stuff out there like that.

I do.

But I don't know off the top of my head. However, if there was a ministry on a campus that needed something geared towards the college thing, I would be willing to write it. And one of the things I would ask is that the people who are going to administer it give me feedback afterwards and or give me the kinds of questions and the issues are there, and I can cater a Bible study around that, even though I do know the basics of what would happen in a college.