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Now let's join our laborers for tonight's broadcast All right, everybody.

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Welcome back to the laborers podcast. Thank you so much we're so blessed to have each other that God has put these men in my lives and and I feel like they've expressed to me that they're thankful that God has put them in this group and We we love having a conversation with you tonight

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We're just going to talk about some current topics if you have a question Some that you'd like to talk about we'd love for you to join us.

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We'd love to give you a shout out as well The Labor's 2023 conference is coming up Vertical Life Church in Newton, North Carolina.

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You can go to vertical life NC church slash conference and see the conference schedule all these sessions

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What's going to be preached the the breakout sessions and we would really like for you to come

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We'd love to meet you and see you and also we'd like for you to register if you're coming Especially for Saturday so that we know how to set up for the breakout sessions

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We got a little promo video that I want to share with you It's a little over three minutes long and I don't want to share the whole thing.

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But I at least want to get to Brother Jeremy get to his part and so enjoy this little promo

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Welcome to the laborers podcast 2023 laborers conference

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Has deemed and called an abomination is considered a celebrated act in the world in which we live

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As Christians, we must have a right knowledge and a right understanding of pride

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God hates sin God sent his son into the world to die for sin 2023 laborers conference

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But just as a jeweler cannot see the whole diamond when examining the piece through the loop

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The Old Testament was not a look at the full diamond It was not designed to show us the fullness of God's revelation and plan

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That fullness came in the person of Jesus Christ 2023 laborers conference there.

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It's important to understand the role of the king and the role of the kingdom Jesus isn't just spouting out words.

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He says seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness You seek the kingdom because in seeking the kingdom seek the king 2023 laborers conference

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The answer to the question is the same It's according to election Why was jacob saved and not esau?

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It was according to election Why was there a remnant in that first century and not all israel saved?

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It was according to election Why were any jews saved at all? It was according to election. Why are gentiles saved?

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It's according to election. Why are you saying? 2023 there we go

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Now we could we can start there on that topic big john What you can't we can't

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I'm, just kidding. That's that's the beauty of our group is that we uh, We differ on some things but we find unity.

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We find unity in christ. We find unity in the gospel We find unity in those those core doctrinal issues that that christ when he we he tore down those walls

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There's the dividing wall That he brings us all together we're all one in christ and we're all just trying to um

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Seek the holy spirit keep our mind and eyes on things above and and let him teach us and guide us into all things

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As uh as ephesians chapter 4 verse 15 says and we and we speak the truth in love

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Um as as we do that, but we're we're all in different places on some things

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But we love each other's brothers and we're all working towards that goal of loving christ more glorifying god and sharing the gospel with as many people as we can so That's where we labor together.

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Um in the gospel and in growing in sanctification and in knowledge of our lord and savior jesus christ

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Um, we've got big john with us tonight real talk with big john. How you doing brother, man?

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If I see him better, I'll be a can I hope you're doing good Well, i'll give you my shoes for a day, is that right and I think

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I think my life would improve a whole lot so I think I love you brother. I wouldn't trust

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I wouldn't trust me. I've seen i've seen me let people down too much Big jeremy hole

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How you doing brother i'm doing well, I got uh, if you see me rubbing my eyes i'm I promise i'm not crying

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I just mowed the lawn. I got grass and dust and stuff all over me, so I I feel your pain you were talking about.

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Um mowing taking two hours. I'm now having to I have maybe like three quarters of an acre and i'm having to do it in Parts that that's where I am right now.

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I'm having to do three quarters of an acre in parts. Yeah, that's crazy But um, how you doing brother robert?

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I'm i'm doing good. I'm doing good. Um You know, we got ups and downs

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Age seems to be getting a hold of me, but i'm trying to figure things out how I can Maintain some energy, you know watching some videos on how to have

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Some good fix my gut health so that it can I can have good energy take care of myself

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Take care of my body so that I can keep serving the lord have have good energy. Um some days

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You know energy level drops like crazy just so tired but i'm trying to figure all those things out just like everybody else

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All right, you figured that let me know Jeremy jeremy's always looks so fit

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Well I I get up early and go work out. That's for sure And that's hey, that's a good example to follow right there

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I would be nice to be able to do that. Um One day, hopefully i'll be able to oh, you probably can.

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Yeah. Yeah so let's uh let's jump into some of these topics and and and folks still, you know, we

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I know I could get a lot of criticism because I'm, not Read well enough on on these issues um, i'm not an expert and and you know somebody

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There's probably folks out there that are way smarter than me that that are on the other side of these issues that could

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You know just run me over with with intelligence, but um You know, we want to do the best we can coming at it from a christian perspective

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And um, we'll see where this conversation leads us You know recently there has been

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Um well, I guess I guess the tide has changed since roe versus wade was was overturned

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And uh it in some areas momentum has gained for the um pro -life movement um

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And one of those areas has come up recently where you had a The abortion pill issue come up in in our court system um

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And I want to give a shout out some people don't like the group some people do Um, I like the group so I get notifications from them it's called personhood alliance um they are

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They I would say for the most part from their Is it inception or conception not conception inception from the beginning from the beginning of the organization?

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They uh, They focus on The the local grassroots level so they're they're focusing on the the city and the council um they pushed um

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Regular folks going to your commissioners your city councils passing a resolution and I know Resolutions, they don't have the bite that laws do um but they are

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They want to abolish abortion. I mean, they're they're all about it And I know it they don't go far enough for for some abolitionist um, but they are

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They have seeked to get resolutions passed and you can't can't do a whole whole lot on the local level um

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But recently concerning this abortion pill conversation And I don't know.

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I don't know much about citizen go either But they either connected or partnered partnered with citizen go

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Seems to put together these petitions They're they're looking at moral things going on in society and so they put together this petition they make created these signs that you could print off and And go stand in front of cvs and walgreens and say we don't we don't want you to sell the abortion pill here in our local walgreens and cvs and They were encouraging to go out and stand in front of the walgreens and cvs and um and sign a petition

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I guess for the national Uh, wherever the national seat is for cvs and walgreens for them to stop um

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Stop their pharmacies from being a part of the abortion meal Um and and stop selling the abortion pill and and I appreciated that work.

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I signed the petition wasn't able to go out with a sign um, but I appreciated those who did and I think that How many states it's been it's been too long now

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But but I think in several quite a few states That I think at least walgreens stopped selling the abortion pill

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So and and I think I think this this endeavor that they took played a big part in it.

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That's good so that's that was that and now it's going to A court in texas brought it up And you were bringing up louisiana earlier.

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I think it was new orleans It was the other I was reading an article as we were talking new orleans was the other court

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That had ruled about an abortion pill Take texas the the court in texas took a stronger stance on Um denying the the sale of the abortion pill the the court in new orleans,

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I think Took the the more liberal side of selling abortion pills and so and and they're

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They're both federal level, I think See, i'm not i'm not up on um how all this works but they they must be to some degree or Or equally at the same level of judicial level

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And so but they're ruling Differently and now it's got to go kind of to the supreme court or go going up a little bit further um

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Have you guys I haven't followed hardly any of that to my shame.

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I'll be honest with you. I don't uh, Almost everything you said

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I would be i'd be speculating if I was to give them very much Opinion, how about you brother jeremy?

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Well, he said more than I already know about it. We have uh, some members in our church that I mean

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They know a lot about this as well they are um They feel called to that ministry.

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We're actually this saturday going to wilmington Where they got the abortion mill there and preaching outside of there as a church, so but For me it's always been just simple, you know,

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I mean if If baby's conceived, that's it like that's right.

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Yeah so all the other issues and stuff like the the pills and all that stuff,

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I don't I don't really Haven't paid a whole bunch of attention to apart from like you're still killing a baby.

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So right um, and we we haven't gone far enough that's for sure like You know roe roe v.

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Wade overturned whatever but I mean, there's still an abortion mill 45 minutes from my house so I mean, they can still go right there and get an abortion.

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So we haven't done enough um And i'm not you know, there's some certain groups that are kind of Almost like they hate the church because of because of abortion still takes place, but it is somewhat the churches um

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It's kind of you know There's a quote as the church goes so so so does the world

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You know when we when we we allow that stuff It's going to happen So We need to have more people out

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At these places speaking the truth. Yeah I think it also needs to Before I say what i'm fixing to say let me uh, you know, one of the things that we try to do here brother robert is uh, whenever we're expressing our

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We're expressing our viewpoint In our worldview. We always try to do it in a way that that one communicates the truth

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And doesn't love at second at second time at least in my desire is that whatever we're saying

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Is helpful right so if we use big words that have massive amounts of uh,

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Of uh Greek or or hebrew meaning or something somebody always breaks that down usually

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Tyler breaks that down for us and what that means and And and how you use in the english language or what would be an english language equivalent to this word

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And I want to do the same thing here. We didn't talk about this before and I hope you're okay with it If I just ask it this way.

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Oh, yeah You have the obvious Why does this matter so much to believers that we protect the unborn?

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That's there's there's a very obvious thing one because it's human life and we should protect this human life

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Because this human life is made in the image of god There's it's sinful to kill And you shouldn't have to say

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That this is murder Because it's very clearly killing someone and yet everything's been muddied so bad with uh

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Secular humanism running running rampant in most most schools and colleges and courtrooms and things like that so then

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When people ask you why do you care? One of the things that's really got in my crawl bad is whenever people say well as a man

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Why do you even care what a woman does with with her womb or whatever? Right?

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And I think wait a minute What kind of nonsense is that? Am I not supposed to care because it's just not my my particular part not my family or my particular person

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I mean, we wouldn't use that logic for anything else, but i'm curious as How would you express to someone who's watching who's already turned their mind off?

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Who's already turned their ears off because they've done heard Way too way too much uh about how

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How our worldview is going to vary with theirs that they would stop listening. What would you tell that person if they would listen anymore?

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As to why you care so much So let me start here. Um, thank you for asking questions.

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Thank you for Both you guys you can add both of you guys can ask questions help co -host

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That's awesome and and these questions that I put down You guys are taking it to where I really wanted to go because you know

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We don't have time to be experts in all these fields. Um, but we want to know what the bible says

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We want to know what god says about the issue in general. So that's where you guys are are naturally taking this issue

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Um, and I want to make this comment first kind of in a strong way So it's not going to be how

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I would address probably somebody Asking me that question.

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Um So i'll get to that second But let me answer it in a in a more strong way

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I think Whether you're a christian Or or you're a non -christian god is the creator of all of us

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And he's made he's made men And women but he's made us in his image.

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He's made us in a certain way So there's characteristics that that all of us share and carry together because we have a common creator.

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Yeah, and you were talking about um children in in the womb the pre -born and and women carrying carrying these children the the blessing of carrying these children and who are we to To speak to that issue because we're not women.

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We don't have to carry those children And and the first thing that I thought of is that one of those things that we as men all have in common

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That god has given us is that protector instinct. That's right And so these children are innocent they are human lives

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Human beings created in the image of god And the first thing that comes to my mind, um, maybe not the first on the priority list

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But just tonight, you know as you're talking the first thing that came on my mind was that protector instinct that I think god has given all men and of course

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We wouldn't be here if the men in our ancestral line didn't take up that mantle and protect their families um when there was

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When they fought the wilderness they fought the winners They they they fought the land to grow food.

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They fought the wilderness to hunt you know, that's where we come from and we don't reflect on our history, but the men in our ancestral line

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We wouldn't be here if they hadn't taken up that mantle to protect their families to build those homes to protect from the elements

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Uh to protect from the wilderness to protect from the enemies to protect from and wild animals, um and and provide for their families and and we still

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And I you know, we've let society Jeremy and and john you guys were talking about this before the podcast how um society has

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Uh changed our view of women. It's changed the view of men as well. Oh, yeah men

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Society has tried to make men effeminate Even even masculine men.

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We're we're are more effeminate and and we we suppress that protective instinct

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Um what you were saying there about why couldn't the guys just go to walmart or something? Yeah Exactly.

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I mean why now they're hunting and stuff. They can they just go to the local walmart and Pick up dinner.

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Yeah and and now today Instead of going to um going out to to buy diapers they they cower to um their own pride they cower to society they cower to their own

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Selfishness because it's going to ruin their life or they cower to the girl who's telling them to go to walmart and buy the peel

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Yeah, well, let me let me say something on that real quick. Yeah The baby's not going to ruin their life

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Like they might have that thought that thought might be going through their head, but that's not what that's not that's i've

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How many people you know that go man? I regret having this kid I I haven't met that person.

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I haven't yeah because it there's even the ones that Have been turned away from they were going to the abortion mill

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And they were turned away from it and then had the baby. They don't regret it one bit

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Now it might make their life harder, but you know that that's that's not um

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That's that's really part of life. Anyways, right like I don't think Marriage in itself made my life easier

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Of course It made my life harder in the sense that I gotta work right like I couldn't just lay around and be a bum and only have one mouth to feed

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Like I had to I had to get up. I had to go to work I had to you know, leave my wife and we had children.

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I gotta you know, leave my children. It's definitely harder, but it's So much more rewarding

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Yeah Well something robert said and he was quoting paul washer.

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I believe but you know, sometimes I misspeak So if I say anything online, obviously I reserve the right to be corrected uh

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I want to say he was talking about being tired when you get home at the end of the day He said you're supposed to be

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Yeah, and and and I know that that doesn't sound maybe like the american dream uh

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I would Well american dreams don't work. Yeah, we're gonna get we're gonna get away from the topic.

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I'm not careful so i'm not i'm not gonna say that i'm just gonna leave that alone, you know, but we're dealing with a a society that is saying

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Essentially and it started i'm glad you brought this up brother robert. It started when they started to Demasculize men when they started to make men

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More and more when masculinity become a bad word to describing a man, right? That's where this attack started and it started a long time ago.

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It's just this has been a a a more of an evolution Than it has been a revolution And people are only now seeing it because the heat's been turned up faster than they could than they could adjust to it and so Whenever it became a bad a bad term to be considered a manly man

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Then they wanted everybody to be uh, I don't know there's this version of a man that a woman

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Rules over in a sense. I know that sounds like i'm trying to pit two people against one another That's what i that's what i've seen if you take an older show uh

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It's a sitcom on television, right whenever I was growing up pick one

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The dad was the guy that everybody got advice from And he got advice from his dad

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Maybe a pastor or something like that There was a clear logical Attempt to figure out what was right and I want you to hang on to that what was right

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Fast forward The programs I wouldn't let my kids watch the dad was the dumbest guy on the show

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He was the only guy who had no idea what was going on and then Uh, the mom was really running the house and the dad was more of just a figurehead fast forward a few years later

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The parents aren't even in the programs. The kids are running the program. You don't ever see the parents at all and And I'm talking about television, but i'm using something that you can go back right now

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As soon as we're done and go to youtube and start pulling up shows and you test me and see if i'm not right and and what you see is

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What is a mirror of the people watching these shows and uh Now the attack is against women and I believe wholeheartedly

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You'll never It'll take something extravagant to convince me different the attack on the family was the first attack in the garden

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The enemy went against the weakest person in that garden And the man let that happen.

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We've said that piles of times on this program And I still see this exact same attack

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We're going against the weakest in the family the unborn the ones that can't do for themselves We're going to attack the mother.

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We're going to attack the child because the man Is going to be a much more difficult opponent

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So instead if we can eliminate him from the equation Then we can we can just run the whole we run the whole outfit with a whole outfit with very little resistance

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Am I am I completely out of touch brother robert brother jeremy? Are you are you tracking you picking up what i'm laying down?

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I actually had this discussion at like five o 'clock this morning with another gentleman Okay about the exact same thing.

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You just said like, you know, we We're talking about those those tv shows too. Like, you know, was it married with children or the simpsons and it's like the the

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Father husband was always the the idiot. Yeah. Yeah, and you know the the whole role was

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You know, he he just went to work came home sat on the couch put his hands down his pants and drank beer

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Yeah, and you know that's unfortunately Because of I don't know if it's because we we watched that as kind of growing up we kind of Society started going that way too

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Like you see that's what men think they think, you know, I put in my you know, eight eight hours of work today

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I'm done. I'm gonna go sit down in front of the television watch Six seven hours of television and then go to bed and do the same thing tomorrow and in the in the meantime the you know, the

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Wife and children suffering. Yeah Well think about so i'm gonna play hardball uh

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When I when I first became a christian and joined the church for people watching

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That's what christians do you become you become accountable you don't watch Some of the greatest sermons you can watch in your life will be on youtube

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Sitting around reading your bible and watching youtube sermons does not constitute being a part of the church Especially if you have an option to join fellow believers that parts are with i'm just saying it'd be done with it

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I joined the church And I noticed the women Were the primary movers in the church.

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They were the people who done the majority of the work whenever we I would go to uh to a function I would get there to help set up because I just assumed

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There would need to be help to be set up and and me Maybe two other guys and then the rest would be women

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You go to the nursery in the sunday school classes They were always filled with the women who were teaching the children who were changing the diapers they they were bearing

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An awful lot of responsibility inside of a church that was void of a man's presence

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And and that just shouldn't be you know, and i've been pretty clear inside my denomination about how

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I feel the The role of women and men in the church is clearly laid out in scripture and we should not deviate from that But it's also difficult for me to stand there without any kind of Reservations and say things

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When I know that inside my own denomination at times The majority of the things that women are in roles doing is because there wasn't a man that would do it

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Yeah, and and shame on the men for letting that happen Yeah, right and I have a hard time finding fault with a woman who says this needs to be done and nobody will do it

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So i'll do it. Yeah And and i'm not going to blame her for being faithful, right?

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I mean that sounds again. It's like i'm being angry and maybe i'm being a little angry about that because In my in my church now the men have a much more active presence in the church

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There's men at every function at every event and i'm i'm so thankful because I came out of a church where that wasn't the case

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But if you're watching you know Iron men you could do better because I see you at a lot of things that you don't go to that You don't make you know you

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You make it to other events that you don't make Football is okay softball is okay

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That's not our priority Yeah, I I can probably encourage a little bit on that I see the younger generation of men actually

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Wanting to step up and lead. Yeah, I see that like in our church. We have 25 26 year old men that they they're like They're all

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I wanted I wanted to lead my family, you know, I want to lead I want to serve and they're they're the ones and it's funny because sometimes like I don't even have to say anything like They just step up and start doing it and that's that's that's really what you know

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That's what a leader is. You're not made a leader you You just lead and then therefore you are a leader and that's what a lot of the

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I see it a lot in the younger generation coming up. So now Some And it might be because uh what the the younger gentleman

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I was talking to this morning. I think he's 26 and he said, you know the When everything's going woke now to rebel

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Is to be conservative I never thought about that. Yeah, you're right Yeah and he said it's funny because you know the younger the younger generation always

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Is always going to rebel against culture and if the culture is going woke the rebellion is being conservative

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Well, I mean that's a good question is um Is it just uh Part of a rebellious nature because I mean that is true

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That's very true because society I mean that's that's the natural path is to is to go woke to follow society follow the crowd

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It is to go woke to to be on the liberal side of things. So is it just Because my first first response to you, of course

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And it's true You know those young men in your church jeremy you're talking about they're they're stepping up and that's definitely if they're

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If they're doing that Um in a god honoring way motivation's there, you know all the

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All their ducks in the row Boxes are checked This is where the holy spirit. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, of course um, but how do you how do you distinguish between this is just natural rebellion because it's it's counter society versus Um a work of the holy spirit.

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Why because like you said because um the conservative the conservative way

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Is going to be the rebellious way, yeah well, I can actually I think it's kind of easy to answer that in a sense as believers is look at like Say joe rogan um jordan peterson matt walsh

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Like how many young men are following those guys and it's because they're Conservative because they're pushing against this wokeness ben shapiro

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Yeah, and that doesn't mean that they're believers though, that's right so just because and this is one of the things, you know, i'm not going to mention his name, but there's a certain pastor that um, he's kind of been

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Uh been through a lot of stuff and they had a podcast about him and all the stuff he went through but now people were

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I've seen some people sharing his stuff because he's preaching against wokeness and i'm like that still doesn't

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Qualify the man as a pastor because he's preaching against wokeness like, you know, joe rogan preaches against wokeness

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Right. Yeah, he's a rabid unbeliever. Yeah. Yeah So we I mean just because a guy preaches against wokeness and he's standing behind a pulpit with a bible open that does not make

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Him a qualified pastor the same thing we could say with the the men and women in our church

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Is that come to our church just because they're against? Something that does not mean that they're for christ that's exactly right.

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That's exactly right. That's good wisdom. Yeah first corinthians 12 and 2 first corinthians 12 and 2

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So the holy spirit go ahead. I'm, sorry, and it says you You know that you're pagans.

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You were led astray by mute idols. However, you were led Therefore I make known to you that no one speaketh

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Speaking by the spirit of god says jesus is accursed and no one can say jesus is lord except by the holy spirit so a life that is obviously in alignment with Christ being the head and the lord of your life can only be accomplished by work of the holy spirit as you were saying a minute ago brother robert and We know talk's cheap, right?

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so Fruit to bear that out Yeah Yeah Well that distinction that you're talking about is is made in this

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In this network in the slavers podcast that we're doing. I mean, we're I mean we can We could partner with some of these guys because we have some some commonality.

35:45

I mean, they're they're going to be against wokeness They're going to be against abortion. They're going to be against. Um A lot of these these liberal movements that are they're having it now

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And and we would have agreement Yeah to be against those things but the reasoning why we're against those things and then um who we're looking to for our objective standard is going to be different so so that's why we um we're not going to lock arms in in this network or on this podcast with somebody who's just Conservative going against the grain of society.

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We're going to lock arms with somebody who's going to um honor and glorify christ

36:26

Yeah, the proclamation of the gospel is what we need like that's what we need To when we go, you know, and it's part of the thing with um you know

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To go back to the abortion thing There's a bunch of abortion ministries out there

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And when we're when we're going to be up in wilmington on saturday the last time we were up there.

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Um There was also roman catholics Out there so but we're not locking arms with them in ministry

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Because we have a different gospel like they just happen to be there i'm not going to go over and say, you know, we're going to Come together with these guys and even though they're against abortion, which they should be which

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I mean, I think it's every Every person should be a human being should be. Yeah That doesn't mean i'm gonna lock arms in ministry with them right because For me, it's not even obviously we want to Have abortion abolished, but it's not even just that for me like I want to see people saved.

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That's right. Not just from uh being killed in the womb. I want their soul saved

37:32

Yeah, and that's that's So the end is never from for me the end of that ministry is never just just simply that they don't kill their baby

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I don't want them to do that They shouldn't do that But I want to see that baby saved and that woman saved and that that man that Is there saved?

37:50

I so appreciate you saying that because uh We're As christians, obviously we're for We're for life

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Not just for the unborn's life, but life right eternal life The things that in a lot of ways

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The not only so the obvious the abortion the murdering of this unborn child

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Is an assault on that on that individual I mean, it's it's an absolute assault in which that individual's life is snuffed out

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But it is still an attack on that mother Yeah, I don't care what they say the the statistics bear it out

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Anybody who's ever spoken to anyone who has committed an abortion will tell you that it they're they're

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They're never allowed to be the same They're they're changed forever negatively. These women are never they're the things done

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Against that child are criminal The things done against that woman are critical

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And the man has no say in the matter Which is criminal It is a trifecta of evil

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And it it breaks my heart

39:22

No, I want to go back to um Go back to the original question that you posed to us john

39:31

Uh, I think I started us on a rabbit trail and we took off with it. That's good So let me go back to the original question that you posed to us, which was how how would you?

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and and Sticking with our theme and sticking with scripture speaking to that person with truth

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But in love that says, you know, this is a woman's body And she's she's having to carry this child.

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So how how should you as a man, but then ultimately it's gonna It's gonna be for anybody.

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How would you as a christian? Address, how would I address that? Yeah, how would you address this?

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So, um for for my out from my perspective, um You know

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The person asked this question or the woman carrying the child that you're addressing answering asking this question

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Um is believing the lie that that satan was taking to eve in the garden, you know God really say you're they're questioning god's word, you know, we come at them with god's word

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And and they're going to say who cares who cares what god's word says who cares about his authority? Uh, you know, i'm just concerned with with I'm the authority in my life, you know, they're they're

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They're blinded by the lie of satan that that he started in the garden with eden however

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I still believe that as christians um That's where we should start is is because that's where our authority and our our our objective authority comes from Is is his word even though they deny it.

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They're gonna deny it. Um, that's That's Where our authority is that's the authority

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Place of authority in the whole world is is god's word. So And i'm going to say, you know, this this is where i'm coming from this is my standard and this is you know, why

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I believe Um that this is the standard That Encompasses all men that's for all men and so We were creating an image of god and it's

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It's wrong to murder Anyone and that all human life is precious

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No pre -born or post -born from Infant till death, you know, whenever all aspects of life are precious in god's sight

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He knew us together in our mother's womb. He knew us before we were born And that we were all creating his image

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And so that's that's where my perspective comes from and i'm going to stand stand on that authority

42:08

Um, but as for Me speaking to you on Um, or having any right to speak to you on That Which you're carrying in your womb

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And it's not my body. It's your body. How do how do I have a place to? um

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Where do I get off? Speaking to that scenario I would say this ma 'am

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If you were in a situation where you were the um

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You were the oppressed I would take up for you

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Yeah Even though i'm coming from outside of the situation. I would step in And if you know your life's being threatened, you know,

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I would step in to protect your life And so the same thing is true for this child

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I want to be an advocate for this child that is in the womb Even though it's not in my body.

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I'm outside of the situation But I want to be an advocate for that child who Could potentially be facing debt

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Yeah, just like if you were in that same situation, I would stand in the gap for you. That's right and I would

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I would say Probably Word for word what you just said if asked the only addition i'd make and I wouldn't take one word of it away is that Before Cain really messed up He was asked about his brother and what did

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Cain tell God? And my my brother's keeper God tells Cain sin is at the door

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He either rule or it's gonna rule you We are to be about We are be about people

43:58

Right, I mean we can We can use whatever fancy words you want to but as Christians people are our business

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Because we honor God And we honor God's image I mean my thoughts on Election not being anywhere near as strong as brother.

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Jeremy's right, but I guarantee you brother. Jeremy in his doctrine Would still go witness to the lost

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Knowing that in his doctrine God's only going to save so many anyway, it's not his job to decide who

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He's in the business of seeing souls saved. That's what he said Right. Yeah, I didn't take nothing out of context there brother.

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Jeremy. Nope so The same goes for the unborn. It's our job as brother

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Robert said To not just protect that child but also protect that mother because the things that she potentially will do she'll never recover from It's the suicide rate of people who've committed abortions is higher than people who haven't

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It just it's a fact look it up It's We are to be about other people we are to be about God's business and and God's business

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He said he came to see can save that which was lost We're to be doing the best we can do to be as much like Jesus as we can and That doesn't stop

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As sunday afternoon at one o 'clock It just doesn't that's when it starts come on man, you know, and that's

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It's going to mean you're so so there's going to be some friction right Let's be real about it

45:39

Who likes the gospel being preached to them? Nobody's flesh likes the gospel being preached to Nobody likes being told they're all together undone

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That they're corpses It's not that they're Trying to find their way to God.

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They're dead laying at the bottom of the sea And God raises them to life. If it all there be raised to life, they can't even they can't even assist in the resuscitation

46:03

You know, so, uh Yeah Talking to people about this kind of thing is going to upset them

46:15

And just like you're supposed to be tired the other day. It's going it's supposed to Yeah, it's uncomfortable it's definitely uncomfortable and this is where you know

46:26

There's and we'll have them too out there on on saturday, but you know the some of those pictures of the aborted

46:36

Murdered babies like it's uncomfortable. Yeah, but and the last time we were out there this this lady said she was a christian

46:44

Um came up and started talking to us that autonomous we shouldn't be doing this We shouldn't be staying out there these mothers you guys are making her feel shame and I just I was like ma 'am

46:53

They should feel shamed. Yeah Like they're going there to kill their babies. They should feel ashamed um, let me add

47:01

Before if we're gonna move on but I had two things that came to mind when both of y 'all were talking one is if Um, what one of the things

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I would say is it's not your body Like ma 'am, that's not your body

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And what you're doing is murdering another person's body So so I have

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It's not that i'm i'm saying anything about you do what you want with your body Yeah What you're doing?

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An abortion of somebody else's body agree also We are commanded to do this.

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It says in psalm 82 3 it says defend the poor and fatherless do justice to the afflicted and need

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God actually commands us to do this so I don't care if you don't like it

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And I might not even like it. I don't always like this to bring up these hard topics and go talk to people

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I don't always like to do that, but god commands it. So If he commands me to do it,

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I ought to do it That's right. You're using the same logic that I was using with a uh, there's an atheist

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And there's a homosexual that I was talking to one time when I was passing out tracks and uh, And we were we were standing there.

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There's three men face to face Everybody disagrees, right?

48:32

We were all in disagreement and uh I just be blunt I have to be careful

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Because a lot of times I talk to people i'm bigger than him and I look like a bully Right, so I have to be I have to be very very careful

48:47

That I don't look like i'm being confrontational When i'm getting pepper sprayed, right? I just ain't no doubt about it

48:55

I said I tried this Because I heard I think it's Ray Comfort. I heard ask a question one time and I thought man that is outstanding he said uh

49:04

He said let me pose you a question here. He said you put yourself in my shoes for a second He said I put myself in your shoes uh

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Every word I read in this book I believe to be the inerrant word of god And i'm going to be held according to this word and how closely

49:22

I align myself with it And it says i'm supposed to do a couple things One of them i'm supposed to live right before god and i'm supposed to tell the world this news

49:34

It's not an option. It's a command. I have to do it And this thing tells me that I have to do it in search in a certain way is to be honest about what it says

49:44

If I were Really to live out my faith

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I'm commanded to do this. How would you do it? And and I just to ask them that way

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Tell me what you would do if you were me Have I done you a disservice from my point of view?

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And they were like no Because if I believed

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I was going to hell because i'm this or i'm that And I really cared about you

50:15

I'd warn you And I said thank you because I do care about you

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I don't have to know you to love you. I don't have to know this unborn child to love them I don't have to know this mother to love them.

50:28

I will be honest with you My flesh at times is at war with me on this because I become angry.

50:35

I have four beautiful children and one of them whenever She was in the womb

50:45

Well, I was told there was going to be some problems And stuff like this was was brought up to my wife.

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I wasn't a believer and I was like, well, wait a minute You ain't killing my baby You know You can get away from my wife

50:58

If if you're if your intentions are to bring harm to her or either one There were two in there at the same time both times

51:05

If you're gonna hurt anyone I mean you have to deal with me about this This is I was a 20 year old kid

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And a lost 20 year old kid and and in my lost depraved state

51:18

I knew this is wrong We don't do that And I bless god that there wasn't any problem how many kids would have been murdered because of a bad report that I got

51:31

Right shame on that doctor free from bringing that up I mean shame on that doctor I hear that a lot

51:39

I can't tell you How angry I get when I think about it because I was sitting in that chair whenever they bring that kind of thing up And And i'm thankful for my wife because truthfully she was talking to my wife, right?

51:53

I'm sitting in a room like all of a sudden. It's like I don't have a say in the matter and uh And my wife was like No No She said if there's something wrong with these babies, i'm gonna love them anyway

52:05

She she's like well, you understand this means this baby if she has this condition out here She won't live a few minutes and ashley's like i'll love her every minute of her life.

52:12

I think hallelujah and uh Shame on that doctor You put a lot of trust in these people because I don't have to deliver no baby, right?

52:22

and So, yeah Part of my flesh if i'm being completely transparent with you

52:29

With you two fellas and anybody who's watching this I think about that kind of thing Whenever I see these people believe this lie

52:37

And I get mad and I have to really watch when I get mad you know, it's these are

52:43

These are things this is my crossfade. I have a temper, you know, and I have to be careful about it and uh

52:49

I applaud you brother jeremy Because it shows I think it shows a tremendous amount of restraint and then uh

52:59

Definitely someone who's being filled and led by the holy spirit to do these things and be able to do them in love It shows to me.

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It shows a man who's who's really following the leading of the lord not and I applaud you for it Though there may not be nobody who does it tomorrow.

53:12

I'll be praying for you Actually, tomorrow's friday. I'll pray for tomorrow. Anyway, it's saturday

53:18

I'll need it tomorrow, too and uh Let me ask you this question, uh going back to the the original theme of the question um

53:29

All three of us have a great offense against what happens in the abortion meal yeah, um, do we do we have that same offense against this this pill or um

53:40

If people want to make a distinction between the different brands the different names The the morning after the plan b the different times that you take it no matter no matter what it is

53:49

I don't care how you kill somebody murder is murder I don't care if you if you cut them into pieces with a with a chainsaw or a pair of scissors in the womb if they're mutilated by guns or or or if they're hacked to death with a machete or if somebody is

54:04

Overdosed on pain pills and dies or if somebody's forced poison death's death murder's murder Regardless You put lipstick on a pig if you want to all day long, but I mean as christians we believe that life begins at conception

54:17

Yeah So if I if I if a couple for the sake of anybody watching that may be underage, you know use your own

54:25

Imagination, but if a couple is intimate And you know full well

54:32

That there's a chance you're now with child and you do something anything to try to change that I mean

54:43

You're taking somebody's life and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna beat around the bush about it and Just like the woman who goes and has a physician murder her unborn child

54:54

You're going to have to live the rest of your life with the with the fault of I may or may not have Which can be just as detrimental

55:06

You agree with that jeremy. Um The same same offense toward toward appeal.

55:12

Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean I can't add anything to what he just said like It's murder,

55:19

I mean it's murder it's it's a it's a I mean, I know they make try to make scientific uh

55:28

Observations and say it's not yet A baby or a human. I don't know what they try to say because it doesn't make any sense

55:35

But it's a it's a human baby in there from day one So, let me ask you this question because this has been posed to me several times

55:43

Uh quite a few times, um taking it to the next level And I think you guys brought it up before we started.

55:51

So it's the uh the the prophylactic the the um

55:58

Protection the condom issue. We know that some some Safe sex devices have uh abortifacients in them some some don't

56:12

So we we know anything that has an abortifacient Is you know aimed at stopping pregnancy murdering a child?

56:23

Um, but what about Contraception what about contraception in general?

56:30

Well, I don't I don't know that I see I don't know that I see it as being sinful

56:37

I mean, I know that there's like I think catholics do don't they? Anyone of y 'all know enough catholics to make that kind of claim?

56:44

I think I never heard that but I I know that there's debate on that issue well

56:50

I think that there's a I mean, there's people who have surgeries done That have permanent effects where they can't have children anymore that make their entire life sinful

57:01

You know, I I would say not I mean I think the fact is you haven't murdered anything.

57:06

You haven't murdered anyone, right? I think that's what you have Go for it

57:12

Because we are commanded to be fruitful and multiply sure And i'm saying this i'm kind of like playing devil's advocate on this

57:23

Like that is a command by god to be fruitful multiply which means to multiply is to have continue to have children.

57:29

Sure Um, would that would you see that as breaking that command? I asked this but I I suppose i've never given a pile of thought.

57:43

Is that fair to say? So in other words letting letting god be in charge of how many you have Yeah That could be that could be an answer to the question altogether.

57:53

I mean, uh I'll be in the news if that was the case because I probably have 60 of them well,

58:03

I mean so if we're going to look at it from Purely let's look at it purely literal right not taking and making any kind of spiritual uh

58:18

Hermeneutic claims or anything like that Is that the practice that we see through scripture?

58:25

I mean, I don't I don't think so Right. I mean I can we can obviously point to people who had

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Piles of children. I mean, you know israel had 12 right the whole tribe of israel come

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From one man, that's why they're called the tribe of israel um, i'm

58:42

Probably I think it would be a pretty wise claim to imagine that he didn't wasn't intimate with his wives just 12 times in his entire life, right?

58:51

Yeah Is that to say that god? Did god put a number and then stopped you take solomon on the other hand who only has one child best we can tell from history

59:02

Right have a thousand women and and and The only evidence that I know of in scripture again,

59:11

I reserve the right to be wrong is where judah is according to the king james spills his seed on the ground to keep his uh,

59:20

It's actually judah's son spilled his seed on the ground to keep his brother's Wife from having children because his brother was killed

59:29

And the inheritance that his child would have would actually been his brother's inheritance and god killed him for that, right?

59:37

I think that and and I was thinking about that argument, too I thought that was his reasoning for that.

59:42

I think it's why god judged him, right? Well, I I think liberals use that um that event in a wrong in a wrong light that It in other words,

59:54

I think that they they say that he was judged because he spilled his seed I'm, not exactly i'm not convinced that that's why he was judged.

01:00:03

He was commanded to what you just said. That's right Yeah, he was commanded to Give his brother the inheritance.

01:00:09

That's right, and he didn't do it That's why he was judged not because he spilled his seed but because he didn't obey the command to yeah

01:00:17

Okay. So now let's think about that then if his judgment Was because of his motives right

01:00:26

Not wanting to rob his brother of the inheritance that was due him according to the law and not the act of Spilling his seed then he wasn't judged because he committed murder

01:00:38

Am I right or am I going the wrong direction? So that would in that example

01:00:45

That's the only example where you see in scripture Where some attempt to keep from getting a woman pregnant is frowned on by god, right?

01:00:55

But but there's examples where women are barren and they're not sinful because they're barren

01:01:02

But rather they're what some sometimes because of sin they are made barren

01:01:08

But I don't see I don't see contraceptive as being sinful in itself However, I suppose your motivation's behind that If you're trying to um, how to word that entirely without it becoming something that sounds vulgar on on television, right, you know

01:01:30

But if uh, if you're trying to rob your wife of offspring Then maybe that's something on an individual basis.

01:01:38

God may deal with you about But at least for me, I don't see the I don't see contraceptive as being sinful in itself

01:01:46

I think I think you've nailed a lot of it, you know, the contraceptive can continue to be a debate

01:01:51

But I think you nailed Hit the nail on head with the heart issue I think that's a huge part of it and and as far as the

01:01:58

Spilling of the seed and being disobedient to What the actual command was that's that's where I stand on as of right now that issue

01:02:08

Um, but you brought up something else You were talking about barren women But I think it was jesus that talked about um, you know eunuchs

01:02:17

He said that you know, some are born that way um and some Some make themselves eunuchs

01:02:25

Um, did he condemn them from making themselves a eunuch, um I don't think he did and and that goes back to one of the things that you talked about was

01:02:38

Um, I guess we would call it getting fixed I don't i'm not sure but uh,

01:02:48

I don't think that he condemned them for making themselves eunuchs and of course the um the motivation there, you know, making yourself a eunuch would be to devote yourself kind of like a

01:02:58

A naz the nazirite vow, you know, i'm abstaining from this not just for not just for the sake of being moral

01:03:05

But for the sake of god and dedicating my life to him. So that poses another thought is

01:03:13

Paul wasn't condemned because he refused to be married Right so Paul wasn't fruitful and multiplying

01:03:23

In the sense that adam and noah were told to be fruitful and multiply yeah, so I mean

01:03:33

I know I want to be the guy i'm So I'm always a guy who wants to go to the spiritual implications of every line of text

01:03:38

We're to be fruitful and multiply and see god's image grow on the earth Right The physical sense of that is our children bear the image of god the spiritual implications that is that the world be made more christian

01:03:51

Yeah to my post -millennial brother on my left I am too and and below me into yourself

01:04:00

Well, I don't know not everybody agrees with um, doug wilson um

01:04:07

I'm, i'm edified by by some of his teaching Um, and I watch canon press sometimes when

01:04:13

I have a chance to and I watch some of his um, I think it was on Some of his man rampant

01:04:19

Episodes if I if i'm not mistaken, it could have been on something else that he had done but he was he was touching on this issue of um you know, we talked about being a eunuch and Um, you you started talking about singleness and paul being single and for years

01:04:36

I Think it's been commonly taught in the church that there's there's a gift of singleness and paul had the gift of singleness but Going back to to what jeremy

01:04:48

Where jeremy took us, you know, the command was to be fruitful and multiply god made man and woman so that we could procreate

01:04:55

That the norm in society is for us to procreate and have children um

01:05:03

And That's the way that we should be leading and we should be leading and training our boys to be men and husbands and fathers we should be leading and training our girls to be um

01:05:18

Women wives and mothers. Yeah um, if god has a different plan that you know, that's that's going to be outside of the

01:05:30

Normal way of creation the created order What are your thoughts on that jeremy

01:05:37

Me I agree with you. I like I really like what uh, I think john said about the

01:05:44

Be fruitful multiply both aspects of it. It's not obviously to adam.

01:05:50

He's talking about um to procreate But procreation is not just kind of like what

01:05:56

I said about abortion earlier like procreation is not the end of itself, right? We're not procreating just so we can have a whole bunch of children procreating so we can make disciples, you know, um,

01:06:08

We're supposed to train up our children as as you know Train up your child and the way they should go and they should not depart from it

01:06:15

Like that's our command. We're we're not commanded just to have just have a big flock of kids like We're commanded to have them and then disciple them and train them up in the lord.

01:06:26

Um, And grow within them that way. That's right Sure So I want to ask a question we touched a little bit on in the pre -show and I know that there ain't no way in The world would cover it all

01:06:37

I've hinted on it a little bit uh this attack on women And I think that it would be a disservice

01:06:47

To talking about current events if we do not touch a little bit on how women are being assaulted by primarily in this country by the uh,

01:06:59

The liberal end of the spectrum one by there being You know, uh, these these men who act as if though they're women and put on women's clothes some of them even have elective surgery to remove their

01:07:12

Exterior genitalia in a way that makes them appear to be more feminine or whatever and dominating everything from sports and collegiate sports to uh taking

01:07:26

Taking uh I don't know Taking spots in magazines for this woman of the year when they're clearly a man, right?

01:07:37

Would you speak to that I know it's so crazy, isn't it? would uh, would you care to speak to that brother robert and and and put

01:07:47

Put the christians if you want to put the post meal spin on However, you you view

01:07:54

This is this just an outright demonic attack on the weaker of the two sexes

01:08:00

And men are letting it happen or or how would you describe that event this event?

01:08:06

We're seeing unfold right now Well, I think you hit the nail on the head, um of course,

01:08:12

I don't remember if it was earlier in this show or In the conversation before but I think I think it was earlier in the in the podcast

01:08:19

Uh, you were talking about About Years and years ago that that attack on the family

01:08:27

Of course it started in the garden But but you know here in america, we can we can see those initial um initial attacks on on the family, um the god -ordained family and Um, and and the different approaches to that attack on the family um

01:08:46

And it's been it's been a slippery slope ever since and and you're right we're seeing the results of um

01:08:56

The implications and the results of that attack on the family that that started, you know, also many years ago um we've just It's just a it's just a natural result of of that attack on the family on our um biblical ordained um gender roles um household roles marriage roles

01:09:24

I mean, it's attack on all those and it's a um Natural natural implication natural result of you know

01:09:35

Yielding to the world and and jeremy jeremy made a good comment as well. You know, it's the

01:09:41

So goes the church so goes the world but also um Just as the church

01:09:50

Um is silent um You know the world the world is going to The world is going to naturally go the the way that it wants to go

01:10:05

Yeah, and and if the church is silent about it, you know, we want to we want to stay in our bubbles And you know we

01:10:14

We do want to take care of our own we want to stay in our bubbles We want to make sure our facilities are are well taken care of we want to make sure that We're we're welcoming when visitors come in.

01:10:25

We want to reach reach our neighbors in our neighborhood. You know, that's wonderful. That's good We should be doing those things but when we're silent to Um what's going on in society?

01:10:38

then Society is going to continue on that down downward spiral.

01:10:44

Yeah, but it But it's the starting point. Where is the starting point? and that's where um

01:10:52

The the satan is not dumb to to where he should attack

01:10:58

I mean It's it's not just that there's a there's a bullseye there. I mean there's

01:11:04

I mean You go deer hunting I do I engage in all manner of of hunting curricular activities.

01:11:12

Where where's the best place to to shoot a deer wherever he's at I mean,

01:11:19

I don't I mean Oh, i'm gonna tell you uh sometimes uh, all right, so Initially, where are you trained to to shoot the deer?

01:11:31

Yeah, he's going to turn broadside and behind the shoulder, right? You want you want a double lung shot in the heart if you can get it if you can get both lungs in the heart

01:11:38

He's dead at four o 'clock That's if you don't take out the central command center But a lot of people like thin wall hangers and so you don't take out that central command center without taking out some wall hangers

01:11:47

Right, right so I mean same thing is true is going to be true with how to attack um, and then the same thing is going to be true for Where do we go back to to re -establish?

01:12:00

that foundation It's got to be our families our gender roles our husband our marriage roles and our family roles

01:12:06

Um getting those things back In to the biblical perspective and it starts in our families.

01:12:12

I agree. Um, so we we got to go there we got to start there and um and train up our children speak to our um our churches make sure you know, it's it's a conversation that we're having and then

01:12:28

And then letting it broaden And not be silent in any of those areas um, but yeah of course originally it's going to be a attack because satan knows where to attack but we also know where we need to go back and Get back in the fight

01:12:44

Two things you said I put up two fingers so I remember One you're the second person in this podcast.

01:12:51

You said train up a child in the way that it should go, right? noteworthy Uh, the second thing that you talked about was roles and responsibilities

01:13:01

Before I before I ask brother jeremy a question I want to make sure that you don't have anything to add To what brother robert said because i'm going to ask you a question in a second

01:13:08

But I want to give you the floor before I do I don't have anything to add to what he said

01:13:15

So Two -part question and jump in wherever you want to brother robert so as we've seen the roles of the family

01:13:28

Put into question is this attack that we're seeing against women

01:13:36

Not just a single phase attack on the the personhood of women and the role of women but rather On the authority of who of who decided these roles you know in times past we've talked about how

01:13:51

Uh questioning the role of the man in the home and the man of the church is really questioning the authority of who set that Up.

01:13:57

That's the first question. Do you want to attack that one now? We're going to ask the second one Oh, i'm ready to jump in there go for it jeremy,

01:14:07

I want to I want to give you a chance brother but I I'm, it seems like i'm having a chance to talk in this podcast tonight.

01:14:14

I'm taking advantage of it. Um, so Man I I really like what you just said.

01:14:20

It's We're we're attacking those roles But we're attacking the one who gives us those roles or gave us those roles exactly attacking those roles and that is spot

01:14:32

On I mean that's right there, you know, that's perfect wisdom from the lord, um

01:14:39

And and yes, and so Let me let me address that In this way, so I don't think that we should mock it

01:14:54

It's it's serious business. I don't think we should mock it but but in a sense

01:15:00

We know who our god is we know who the god of this universe is and and so Really that agenda

01:15:08

Really that movement is weak compared to who our god is and so we you know

01:15:15

We shouldn't we shouldn't mock it. We shouldn't laugh. We should take it serious, but we should have a confidence in god in Looking at this situation second

01:15:27

And it goes it goes directly to that point that you just made so Here and this is my opinion.

01:15:34

This is how i'm seeing society Yes, we need to start at the home we need to start at grassroots foundation and and work our way out but for too long and of course

01:15:44

And you did say we could look at this from the post -mill perspective. I encourage you go for it so because of the dispensational view of things and um

01:15:56

We we've separated church from society We we've got this this two

01:16:03

Um this two world mentality and the two shall not mix and so really in my perspective

01:16:12

I could be wrong you guys correct me, but the reason that this this movement of gender roles, um the the lgbtq the the um the trans movement

01:16:28

Um the woke movement The reason all these movements are so um well known are getting so much traction is because Those people are in charge and have heavy heavy influence on The communication and what's being broadcasted out there

01:16:51

Even though they are really The minority in the in this world,

01:16:57

I mean you We're not going to get to these other topics, but you go to these other countries and some of this stuff is illegal

01:17:04

Yeah that happens here And so but even in the united states where it's there's no laws against it

01:17:11

I still feel like and believe that that movement and and people who are on that side are in the minority

01:17:18

Yeah, yeah Um, so so why are why do they have so much traction is because they have control of that realm

01:17:28

So, what do we so what do we need to do? We need to say hey christian

01:17:36

It's okay to pursue being a politician It's okay to pursue being a teacher and and influence our children.

01:17:45

It's okay to pursue um Being a a lawyer being a judge being a politician being a broadcaster being um an actor or an actress it's okay to pursue these other fields because When when satan is attacking these when the family and these roles he's attacking god and so these these outlets of communication

01:18:16

When they're attacking these roles they're attacking god and and we need people in these places

01:18:24

That are honoring to christ Yes Glorifying god, I agree and not be ashamed of saying we need the church in every area of life

01:18:35

Yeah, not just in these four walls Brother jeremy

01:18:43

He said a lot there. Um I mean i've got a second question if you want to wait on the second question well, let me just add this to what what was said there that um

01:18:54

I I there You know, our authority is god, right? To them is not

01:19:03

They are their authority Yeah, so they they are Their own god if you will.

01:19:10

Yeah And let me let me bring up something I preached on uh this past resurrection day

01:19:17

You know, I said, uh, I I have a transcript for all my stuff, but I have yeah, I said, you know

01:19:22

How many celebrations do we have for minerva or jupiter or diana or zeus?

01:19:28

I said when you're driving down the road, how many yard signs do you see that say? Thank you hercules

01:19:34

And it's because our god is in the business of crushing false gods. Amen he will reign and rule he will like You you can put yourself in that authority if you want to but he will topple you

01:19:49

Like that's that's just that's good news. Like I mean we we can see that throughout scripture god

01:19:56

Propel idols and he goes forth and that gospel message will continue to go forth to get into our post mill stuff

01:20:03

It will continue to go forth and it will be like that mustard seed that starts to long grows into a giant tree

01:20:08

It will be like that small rock that grows into a giant not one it will there's no there's no way around that like we have our ups and downs but it will

01:20:18

Keep going up and up. So Um, I just think it's not and I think

01:20:27

This is just basic christianity. It's not why it's put to go up against god So you played into the next question and and Have kind of answered it but I said a while ago y 'all both have said raise up a child in the way that you should go

01:20:45

The way that you go and was older not apart from it And and not worrying too much about getting into What that means contextually?

01:20:54

I think more to the point you're talking about Christianity reigning in the home

01:21:01

Yeah that that You raise your children in the fear of the lord that you promote the gospel in all turns and that your life is entirely governed

01:21:10

By christ his word as you're led by the holy spirit fair enough Yeah, that is the ideal christian home.

01:21:17

That's the home that we should all be raising our children in Why is it? See if I ask the question this way it's gonna really give out the answer i'm gonna look like i'm fishing

01:21:29

And I want to know I want people to know that we haven't planned this, right? Well, this is off the script. We you know, the whole thing's done went around Why do you suppose it is so important that the enemy attacked the family

01:21:43

Why is it that he is he has sold out to attacking the family as his primary battlefield?

01:21:52

We can be honest That's where the battle line is. It's in the home. It's over your children.

01:21:57

It's over your wife. It's over your very authority It's over your very position and where god's and the order of the home in every area

01:22:04

That's where the battle line is. Why do you think the enemy has put it there? We're to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

01:22:11

So we need to know the answer to this question Who wants to take it? You want to go first jeremy?

01:22:17

Um Yeah, but that's not an easy. It's not an easy Answer to it. I don't think I think you kind of answered it in your question

01:22:25

Or you said that's where our order is Um But and that's that's where because that's where we start like we start, you know, the the gospel in the book of acts

01:22:37

Christ is dead buried risen He's about to ascend And what does he tell them?

01:22:43

He says you're going to be witnesses. Let me actually pull it up here I could quote it but I just want to make sure

01:22:48

I do it, right? Yeah, you go for brother Um He says, uh

01:22:53

And you shall be witnesses unto me both in jerusalem and in judah and in samaria

01:22:59

And unto the uttermost part of the earth stay in that book So What we see there was

01:23:08

You're going to be witnesses first right where you're at right now Then it's going to broaden out and then it's going to broaden out even more then it's going to broaden out to the whole world so as Christian families, that's where we start this my house right here that i'm sitting in.

01:23:24

This is my jerusalem and then my my town my city my county, that's my my judea, and then we go out to samaria to United states if you will they're not to the other most parts of the world but if you don't if you don't and you we know this we know this as as leaders that If your family's in disorder, you shouldn't be doing this.

01:23:46

That's true That's where you that's where the battle starts is is getting your family in order and And you know

01:23:54

Sometimes it takes a long time to get that too Sometimes you you're married you have kids you have this desire to go out and lead but You hopefully you have good brothers and sisters around you to tell you

01:24:06

Just wait Work on your home work on your home grow grow with your family and then one day that door will open but That's where we started that's where like I said you mentioned it that's where the order starts at you get that order right in your home

01:24:22

And then you're much more effective when you go out See, I like the way I wasn't thinking that way and I like that.

01:24:27

You've done it that way See divine providence is at work right now brother robert so The heavens declare the glory of god, right?

01:24:37

That's right. Amen to that. Amen but mars So your question is why satan?

01:24:45

Attacking the family prone to taking the family. Yeah mars Cannot love jupiter

01:24:52

Mars cannot forgive the heavens declare the glory of god, right? Okay, but mars cannot forgive jupiter

01:25:00

Mars cannot embrace jupiter mars cannot reflect The character and image and the word of god to jupiter, right?

01:25:10

God created man in his image. Yep Marriage reflects

01:25:18

Christ in his church Yep, god created man to In in his image to reflect him to give him glory and we can we can relate his attributes to each other

01:25:31

And through the holy spirit we can get doing it correctly to the best of our ability give him glory for it by reflecting him

01:25:39

And in our marriage, we reflect christ in his church and Man, you're hitting it.

01:25:44

So when he destroys that he's destroyed god's creation

01:25:51

Uh to bring glory to himself to reflect himself So I love it both of y 'all

01:26:01

Have said something different than I would have said But they're both true Which is a testimony

01:26:09

To you can't dig deep enough to get all You you can hold all the truth you can hold in your hand of the gospel and there's more of it than you can carry

01:26:19

You're not going to exhaust it. That's what I said. It wasn't easy to answer I'm going to do my best to simplify the way

01:26:25

I see it And accept correction wherever it falls Matthew 16 and 18 if somebody wants to read it

01:26:33

It's a very common scripture Jesus has asked the disciples Who who people say

01:26:39

I am and he answers who do you say I am peter says you're the christ, right? And then go ahead i'm there

01:26:46

I can read it go for it brother It says and I say also unto thee thou that thou art peter and upon this rock

01:26:54

I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. What's that that last part?

01:27:00

Yeah, the gates of hell Shall not fail against it. Who's the head of the church?

01:27:07

Not peter who's the head of the church Yeah, jesus christ. Who's the head of the family?

01:27:15

the head of the family ultimately In a perfect scenario is jesus christ, right? Because as the the father following the lord his children and his wife following him

01:27:25

Jesus is the head but the family especially the family that's not christian. The dad is still the head of the household

01:27:32

We don't need to go any further than genesis to see what happens when a man fails at leading right

01:27:39

The enemy comes in and Takes something or usurps authority where he didn't have it

01:27:47

Because adam was given authority in the garden And where he messed up Sin enters the world.

01:27:54

I said this the other week everywhere where adam dropped the ball. Jesus doesn't drop the ball

01:27:59

He picks it up and fixes what's broken and carries it and scores and all the other things the devil has no

01:28:07

Hope at fighting the church because christ is the head of the church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it by the way

01:28:15

That prevail in that sense. I've always been taught that it was uh The church would withstand the attack of the enemy.

01:28:23

I don't believe that's the case as I get older I believe that that means the gates of hell can't stop the onslaught of the gospel

01:28:29

But the gospel would destroy the gates of hell as the gate of this gospel is proclaimed. Hell has no

01:28:36

Nothing it can do to stop that, right? Yeah, that was definitely post -meal the language itself

01:28:45

Doesn't even lend it to it the gates of hell. Yeah You don't want to attack people with gates exactly exactly.

01:28:51

So my point is while i'm not post meal the the Objective that I I do support your objective that christ can't do anything but succeed

01:29:05

The the the lord will not fail And if the lord's leading the church by virtue of that the church can't fail right amen, so The reason the enemy attacks the family is that's the only hope he's got at ever hurting the church

01:29:22

That's the only hope he's got at ever attacking christ by by Way of weaseling his way through the families because churches are made up of families

01:29:30

Not all families in the churches are being led by a priest of the home

01:29:37

Not all families are made up of purely christians Sad to say if you did if you thought that coming in this podcast, i'm sorry to bust your bubble

01:29:45

There's people inside of your church who don't know the lord there might be faithful and coming every sunday They may be faithful and giving in the altar or in the offer plate

01:29:54

But there'll be people who do not know the lord at all And smell just like the sanctuary sure they may not they may not use coarse language

01:30:01

They may be the perfect upstanding citizen and they may not have anything that looks wrong on the outside They don't truly know the lord

01:30:07

And the attacks against their family will be attacks that you see inside the church You'll see that that weaseling

01:30:15

That's why the enemy has decided that the home is going to be the battleground for all spiritual warfare to happen

01:30:21

That's why you see from washington dc to your local courthouse where they say hey

01:30:28

Don't you listen to that man? That's your body and if you want to destroy that thing living inside you it ain't even alive

01:30:34

Anyway, you can do whatever you want to with your body. Who does he think he is if he has say so over what you're carrying?

01:30:40

Hey kids Your parents are stupid they don't know anything if you think you're a girl when you're clearly a boy

01:30:47

Just act like a girl and nobody can tell you any different It's the attack

01:30:53

That is it is as old as mankind on the earth And that's the only hope the enemy has at destroying or attacking the church is by going through the family

01:31:05

That's the way I see it Yeah, and what you were just saying and and I want to wrap it up with this because we've gone an hour and a half

01:31:12

But i'm sorry. Um, no, it's all good. It's really really good stuff. Uh, we could keep going Um, but I want to wrap it up with this.

01:31:20

Um What you were just saying has so many applications in so many other areas in life so you're talking about looking

01:31:28

Looking at things going on in the world Um And and we can look at things going on in our our personal lives and and things can look bleak

01:31:40

But it's because we're looking at things Through a a paper towel roll

01:31:45

Yeah, yeah, that's that's how we're viewing things and but that that's not to take anything away from the the bleakness or the

01:31:55

The the tragedy or the The something that's horrific a disease or or or Someone dies or or you know, all those horrific things.

01:32:09

It's not to take away from that But when things look bleak

01:32:16

We need to remove That that tunnel remove our tunnel vision and open it back up to what big john was taking talking us talking about the view of christ

01:32:28

And his reign and that he is winning and he is ultimately going to win

01:32:34

He is he is in charge of all things. He's working all things together for his good and our glory

01:32:41

And so we we can trust in him. So even though things look bleak and sometimes they are

01:32:48

Yeah, we can open up that view To where we can realize we can have hope in christ in all things, um and with with that being said, uh

01:32:59

I appreciate you guys a lot. We we covered We covered a good bit and I I think we we pointed to christ and all those things um john, if you just wanted to continue your thoughts there and and Pull the pull the gospel out and share the gospel and all that and and jeremy, would you close us in prayer?

01:33:20

absolutely, so I said adam dropped the ball sam

01:33:27

Sam began became uh Sin entered into the world whenever adam disobeyed god and because of that Everybody will have to die and the whole world has been cursed

01:33:40

It was not Clearly it was not the desire for god for that to be the case because god steps in on the scene

01:33:49

And takes the sin of the world to that cross And being nailed to that cross god died

01:33:59

But by god's by god's power and by his grace and because of his divine prophets. He didn't stay dead

01:34:05

Three days later. He rose from the dead Forever putting an end to death hell in the grave taking away the sting of death taking away the power and the boasting of the grave

01:34:16

Taking away the power that sin has over us And all those who believe on him are saved it sounds radically simple and it's because We don't understand to what degrees god had to go to to ensure our salvation

01:34:37

If you're listening today And you doubt for a second that you know who the lord is I don't want you to console yourself with something any pastor told you or any bible teacher

01:34:48

Because the enemy doesn't want you to doubt whether or not christ is real. He doesn't want you to do anything that would have you

01:34:56

See if your callings and elections are sure Read the scriptures The bible's clear

01:35:02

You can go to john The gospel of john the first two three all three epistles of john the hebrews

01:35:09

Ask yourself. What does christ mean to you? And ask him to save you if you don't know him

01:35:16

The word of god still works showing man's sinfulness the word of god still works in drawing people to him

01:35:22

And he's perfect. He's mighty to save I beg you. I beg you to put your hope in your trusted christ

01:35:29

This power to save you keep you to jesus name. All right, let's pray guys

01:35:40

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01:35:45

We thank you for the means that you've given us. It's it's amazing to be able to Just be over the internet and talk with people all all over the world lord and To that we can use this to proclaim your gospel

01:36:01

And we're so grateful for this we don't want to misuse it We want to use it for your glory for the advancement of your kingdom

01:36:07

God and I just pray that that was done here tonight that If any saints were listening lord that you'd edified them

01:36:15

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01:36:23

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