June 6, 2018 Show with Jeremy Vuolo on “The Apostle Paul’s Heart for the Lost in Romans 9”

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I'm so delighted to have back on the program a returning guest, Jeremy Volo, who is a former pro soccer player for the San Antonio Scorpions, the husband to Ginger Duggar Volo, one of the 19 siblings in the Duggar family, and he's the pastor of Grace Community Church in Laredo, Texas.

And today we are going to be addressing the theme, The Apostle Paul's Heart for the Lost in Romans 9. And we're also going to be announcing the 2019 G3 conference where Jeremy is one of the speakers on the very long roster of very impressive brothers in Christ and a couple of sisters in Christ as well.

And I'm eagerly looking forward to being there, God willing, in January manning another Iron Sharpens Iron Radio exhibitors booth. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jeremy Volo.

Hey Chris, thanks so much for having me. It's always a pleasure to be with you. Yeah, it is always a pleasure to have you on. And well, first of all, tell us something about, in fact I said during your introduction that you were on the San Antonio Scorpions.

Were you also on the.

Red Bulls? Yeah, I spent a year playing with the New York Red Bulls in the MLS.

As well before going to San Antonio for two years. Okay. And of course, as I also just mentioned, your wife now, Ginger Duggar Volo, she has been your wife for about.

What, two years now? Coming up on 2 -1 -1 mid-July, so we couldn't be more excited. Yes, I.

Remember when I interviewed both you and Ginger at the last G3 conference in January, you had made that announcement and we were also discussing names. And did you ever find out if it is going to be a boy or a girl, or are you keeping.

That a secret? Yeah, we found out it's going to be a little girl. I do remember discussing names with you and we would ask to keep the name a secret until the little girl is born. It's much tougher to have a newborn in your arms, isn't it?

So in other words, people were not happy with the name that you chose? Yeah, I think a few people were a.

Little bit. Well, I will be rejoicing with you all, I am already, but I will be rejoicing with you when that little one actually is breathing oxygen outside of the womb and when you begin telling the stories about certain things that are happening in her life growing up and looking forward to that.

Well, for our listeners who have not yet heard you on this program before, tell our listeners about Grace Community Church in Laredo,.

Texas. Yes, I've been pastoring Grace Community Church for about three and a half years now. We are situated on the border of the U .S. and Mexico. For the Gospel in Laredo, we're beginning to actually beginning to go across 150 ,000 people preaching, and so we've had some doors doing here in Laredo.

Well,.

Praise God for that. And the congregation, would you categorize it as a Reformed Baptist Church? Yeah, we are. Great. And by the way, let me give our listeners our email address here. It's ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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That is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, and we look forward to hearing from you and your questions for our guests. Before we go into the theme at hand, the Apostle Paul's heart for the lost in Romans 9, tell us about your specific speaking engagement at the G3 conference.

This is your second time at G3 speaking, am I.

Right? Yeah, so Josh Bice, and he's actually coming this weekend to preach in Laredo. Oh, wow. As I said in the intro, there is still our minds with... Amen. Well, I'm.

Looking forward to being there, as I already said, and I have considered this to be now my favorite of all conferences. It's become the most important conference to Iron Trip and Zion Radio as far as the contacts that I have made.

Although I do love the other conferences I've been to and go to, I was at the Banner of Truth conference just a week ago and was blown away at the number of people there that I had never met or heard from before who approached me and said that they loved my show.

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But I was just amazed. At least 15 people every day would approach me and say that how much they love the show, how much it means to them, including a total stranger from India that I sat down next to providentially without even knowing who he was and told me that he loves the show and listens to it and so on.

But yeah, I am looking forward to being there and if anybody else listening, we will be repeating this later, but if anybody else listening would like to join me and Jeremy Volo at the G3 conference. By the way, that stands for Grace, Gospel, and Glory, in case you're wondering.

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Paul's Heart for the Lost in Romans 9

Well, now we are going to be going to the heart of the matter. I'm going to read Romans 9, 1 through 5, but I believe that is specifically the texts that you wanted to address today, correct? Yeah, absolutely.

Well let me read Romans chapter 9, 1 through 5. Let's see here, just grab my thing here. Okay, I am telling the truth in Christ. I am not lying. My conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart.

For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ, for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen, according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the temple service, and the promises.

Whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all God, blessed forever. Amen. A very powerful portion of that chapter in Romans, and it's funny because when we are having conversations with a lot of our brothers and sisters in Christ who are not from our background, not believers in the doctrines of sovereign grace, they will be immediately alarmed if we want to go to the passage because they know that we are going to be sharing with them unique beliefs that are held by reformed or sovereign grace believing or Calvinistic Christians.

Although they shouldn't be just held by us, they should be held by everybody who believes in the inerrancy of Scripture because they're right there, plain and black and white, in not only Romans 9 but many other places in the Bible.

But this is an area that should be echoing in the hearts and minds of every single Christian, no matter what particular theological persuasion they may consider themselves to be an adherent of. This is something that every Christian should have beating in their heart, should they not.

Yeah, it really is,.

As you said, Chris, one of the most impactful statements in all in Christ. This is one of, if not the most, remarkable statements. I do find it ironic, as you said, you know, you think of Romans 9 and believe in the Sovereign Grace, but if you are a believer in the free will of man, we think of Romans 9 sort of as the battleground.

By glory in the truth of Romans 9, as you said, which are sovereignty of God, exegesis of the passage and the surrounding context, gives us the conclusion. And yet, really Chris, I find it sad about salvation, face-to-face, with, as you said, our brothers and sisters who are on the other side of the earth, digging into, arguing without the heart of the.

Apostle Paul. Yeah, people on both sides are very often not doing that. I've got to just quickly tell you something that is, I don't know if you would call it disturbing or humorous, it might be both, but years ago I remember having a conversation with a brother in Christ who loved the debates that I was organizing with James White, James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, who is a Reformed Baptist apologist and a New Testament Greek scholar and an apologist and a just a just a brilliant brother in Christ, author of many books, has had over a hundred public moderated debates with Catholics and Muslims and liberals and even in-house debates with those who reject Calvinism, cult members and homosexuals and homosexual advocates and all kinds of people.

But this person loved James White's debates but he hated the Calvinism that James White and I believe in. And I just simply said to him, well I want you to respond to what I'm about to read to you. And I read to him the entirety of the chapter of Romans 9 and he said in response, I didn't exegete the passage, I didn't give a my explanation of it, I didn't say anything but read the passage.

And he got very upset. He said, you know who believes what you just said? I said, who? He said, the biggest growing cult in the world, the Muslims. I said, excuse me? I said, you are aware that I just read from Romans 9 the God-breathed words that are in the inerrant scriptures in the New Testament that you and I both cherish.

And he said, nah, but it's what you read into it. I said, I didn't read anything into it, I just read it. But it is amazing. It's there, it's there.

It begins, it's breaking his heart. Well it's the eternal destiny. He's dealing with salvation. He's not dealing with salvation of acquainted and love. It's fascinating to me if you, I always look at Romans 9.

I've spent all of my time dealing with this subject to never forget that 9. And you see those two pieces of bread as Romans 9, 1 through 5, and then Romans 10, 1 and 2, where Paul says, and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved.

What is driving the Apostle Paul? We read those opening verses, and he goes, yeah, that makes sense. You know, of course he does.

Aren't we left kind of staggered? Yes, he is saying that he would rather go to hell himself and spare his his kinsmen, the Jewish people. Right. If it were possible.

That that would be a scenario, which of course it cannot be. He was a young man who was speaking of those, thinking about who the Apostle Paul was, and how he was trained. Do you ever think through, have you ever noticed, if you read through, if you read through the book of Acts, right, 40 Jews taking a vow not to

Right. And Paul cannot be shocked by that, because before his conversion by the mercy and grace of God, by the miracle of the Holy Spirit transforming him, he was a bloodthirsty Pharisee of Pharisees, hunting down Christians, rounding up men.

And women to be executed. Yeah, I mean he Paul Yes, he gave his consent, and if I'm.

Not mistaken, he was basically like a Kochek boy, wasn't he, at the stoning of.

Stephen? Yeah, he would hold yeah. It's really amazing as we look at who the Apostle Paul was as a Jew, and how he rose to the ranks of Judaism, and then of course we know the road to Damascus, where he meets Jesus Christ, and has an encounter with the Living God, and is radically a defection from Judaism, and Paul became an advocate, wanted him

I bring that up, Chris, if we remember what's going on, if we kind of remember the scene, and we remember the context, and then we reread those it's even more staggering, because he's not just talking about mom and dad, who love him, and he still goes home to Thanksgiving dinner, and you know, celebrates Christmas and birthdays.

We're talking about men who were seeking to murder him, and men who gnashed their teeth at him, and men who had a bloodthirst for him, and took vows to murder him, and wouldn't rest until he was killed, and vehemently opposed him, and stoned him multiple times.

We're talking about those men, unceasing anguish and great sorrow in my.

Heart for them. Praise God. That is mind-boggling, and obviously a reflection of Jesus Christ himself, who died for people who were, when he died, his enemies. You know, he died for people who hated him, who wanted nothing to do with him, and we who believe in the doctrines of grace believe he died for his people, and that was a perfect atoning death, so all those for whom he died were eventually, and will be eventually, saved, but that was not the.

Case when he died. Yeah, they would gnash their teeth and cry and crucify, almost unlike any other inscription by Jesus Christ, and really it's an image, the closest we get, who imitates Christ. I mean, you think about the Apostle Paul, he says, he's not actually wishing himself a curse, he's contemplating, if it were a possibility, but we think of Christ, he didn't wish himself a curse.

He didn't merely think of the possibility and have a broken heart. Yes, he had a broken heart. He pleaded with men and women to come to him and drink from the fountain of life, and as he looked at that, he actually is merely staggered by our Savior in his glory, who actually was cut off, and was accursed, and bore the.

Weight of hell. Yes, when he cried out to the Father on the cross, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? He was quoting David, but it really was a complete fulfillment of that Davidic statement, because in Jesus's case, it was a much more stark and horrifying abandonment than David ever experienced.

Oh yeah, and that no child of God will ever experience, and even no one will experience, because if you think about even the punishment of the weight for the weight of the sins of all who would be redeemed, it wasn't for the sins of one, it was all 22 by Christ.

No one ever suffered as he fully as he suffered.

Amen, and we are going to our first break right now. If you would like to join us with a question of your own for Jeremy Volo on the heart that Paul had for the lost, I will, since Jeremy is a pastor, I will broaden the the questions that you may have that may be under a more pastoral umbrella, if you will, if you want to ask him something that wouldn't take too much time to answer, and you could remain anonymous in those kinds of cases, I understand that, but please send in your emails to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com, and please give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

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In fact, before I forget, I want to make sure that you let our listeners know about your mom's ministry, Swan, and also your dad's ministry. Your dad's a pastor, and he has an outreach to the Amish, something that you don't hear about a lot.

He has been used of God to lead the Amish, many Amish individuals, to Christ. And in fact, I had the wonderful privilege and pleasure to fellowship with your dad at the Banner of Truth Conference in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania, recently.

And he is going to be coming back on the program with another Amish individual who has been led to Christ. But if you could tell, first of all, starting with Swan, and then we can move on to your dad before we return to our discussion on the Apostle Paul's heart for the lost.

Yeah, so my mother, Diana Volo, seven or eight years ago, designed to go to Swan. And my father, yeah, he's an incredible man who's been for decades, and he's working amongst many people who have the opportunity.

You know, we look at the Amish from the outside, very faithful, and for many years, to the Amish and to see...

Great. I don't know if you happen to have handy your dad's website, but if you don't, I can look it up for later, an announcement later.

I don't at the moment.

Okay, I'll announce that later. But keep your eyes and ears open for Chuck Volo, Jeremy's father, returning to Iron Trip and Zion Radio with an Amish brother in Christ, an Amish individual who actually has embraced the true gospel of free and sovereign grace.

So we look forward to hearing Chuck and this brother in Christ on the Iron Trip and Zion Radio program. And it was such a joy to be able to fellowship with both of those individuals at the Banner of Truth conference.

We do have a listener. Let's see here. We have RJ in White Plains, New York, who says,. One of the things that struck me about the passage that you are addressing today in Romans 9, where Paul says that,.

And the thing that has struck me about that is that John Hagee and other Christians wrongly believe the heresy that Jews do not need to believe in Jesus Christ. That being Jewish seems to be something that protects them in the eyes of God, because these people view these Jews as the chosen of God.

But wouldn't what Paul says in this text, and many other places, totally refute that nonsensical, dangerous, and heretical teaching?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. All you have to do is go to the end of Romans 9 and the beginning of Romans 10. You could walk all, he says, at the end of the law that would lead to righteousness, but did not succeed in reaching that law.

And Paul says, why? Because they did not pursue it in their works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone. Well, what faith is he speaking about? Well, the law was always to drive people to Christ.

The law was always meant, Romans 3, 19, to demonstrate to them that they could never accomplish the law. One, to the coming Messiah, in the case of the Old Testament Jews, and now, back to the Messiah in the modern day.

The Jews failed to reach that righteousness because, Paul says, in the very context of Romans 9, they tried to fulfill the law by works, but the law is meant to drive you to...

Well, thank you, RJ, in White Plains, New York. Keep listening to Onion Trip and Zion Radio and spreading the word about the program in New York and beyond. But if you could now pick up where you left off before the break.

Yeah, so as we're looking at... Think back, praised and engaged, and also breaks the... Find in that whole context, as he seems fed up with it, he essentially tells Moses, let me pour out my wrath upon these people, and I'll make a great nation of you.

I mean, what a tempting proposition. How many of us would... We've been laboring, and we've been laboring, and the people return to their idolatry, and they're not quite in life, and they're lazy, and their complaints...

Come to us and say, Pastor, forget these people. I'll destroy them, but I'll make you great, and I'll make a nation of you. I'll make a people of you. How many would raise their hands and take up that proposition?

Similar to Paul's words, here we read in Exodus 32, the staggering words of... Moses returned to the Lord and said, alas, these people have sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold.

But now, if you will forgive their sin, doesn't finish his sentence, please blot me that you have written.

Wow.

Here, same heart of Paul, where he actually says, blot me out. Intense. Two absolutely just staggering statements from these giants of the faith, Moses and the Apostle Paul, even further for us. And obviously, Chris, in how does this end, which the upcoming G3 conference is for we to pray for, and the lost around us and to the ends of the earth, this is all going to come back and heightens it even more.

Romans chapter 8, one of, if not the, considered by many, we read in Romans 8 of new life in Christ and new life in the Spirit and the sympathy of the Spirit and the power of the Spirit in giving us assurance and producing in us holiness and the radical elements of, speaking of our election and our for not the future glorification, coming off of that, speaking of all of the, of being in Christ, he then says.

Yeah, it's mind-boggling to have that kind of an attitude that's some, I would say that that is an attitude and a mindset that is likely, rarely felt or believed by the majority of Christians.

I've never experienced, bring it back, but just Christ and thus stand.

Amen. In fact, we have a listener who is anonymous, who asks, what counsel can you give me for the ongoing sorrow that I have for my own children, none of whom are believers? I have six children. They are all adults.

They are all rejecting Christ, although, thanks be to God, there are some of them who finally have begun to return to church services with me and I praise God for that, for those signs of hope that he has given me, but they still are not truly regenerate and there are others of my children that do not darken the door of a church and it gives me such agonizing sorrow and depression.

Sometimes I have sleepless nights over it. Can you give me some counsel on how I can have some moments of peace in the midst of this pain? And we'll have you reply to our anonymous listener when we come back from our midway break.

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