Roman Catholic Group Discussion, 1/7/2019

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All right. Oh, look at that little rip right there. Older, shirt, comfortable. Been working.

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All right. So what I've done is open up a room, kind of spontaneously, but not.

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There we go. So what I'm doing is opening up this room because the

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Roman Catholics, hold on one sec. You okay? No? Checking on my wife.

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She just came through. So I said earlier today that I'd probably open up a room, may open up a room with the

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Roman Catholics if they wanted to have a chat. This is in the Facebook page. Is Roman Catholicism true?

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And I generally don't expect them to participate, but I, you know, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but have a discussion on the validity of Roman Catholicism or if they want to attack the validity of Protestantism, that's fine.

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That doesn't bother me any. I'd be glad to have a discussion with them. If people want to participate, there's the links there.

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If they don't want to participate, well, then after, you know, 10, 15 minutes, if no one shows up, maybe I'll just bail.

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But I'm getting into the room, at least for people to watch. They could type some stuff in and then maybe

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I could comment that way. We'll see. How much for the, okay.

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So there you have it. I've got 11 viewers right now. And I've got, actually

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I've got three monitors, one right here, one right there, and one right there. And so that's why

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I look around different screens like that. You'll see different angles. So Nancy Smith is watching.

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Ivan seems to be, I guess. And Steve Parks says this should be good. That's if any

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Catholics show up, but I don't know, you know. Hello from Indiana.

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Hey, welcome. And we have this, this room right here.

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Now what I'm doing on the Google Hangout is I can look at where people are watching and they can type things in.

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And then they can also come in with a big URL to participate. They would come in and they would come into this room and then

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I'd be able to have a dialogue with them. They'd be able to talk if they have a microphone and we'd have an interaction. So, you know,

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I did say I might do it. I wasn't kind of feeling all that well today, so I didn't know if I was going to do it or not.

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And I thought my back started to hurt. I have a bad back. So I was cleaning up in the video room and thought

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I would just come in here for a little bit. And if it doesn't work out here, I'll go to discord because I've kind of been challenged to some debates.

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I accepted some debate stuff for the Trinity on the Trinity and stuff like that. And I usually go in and debate with atheists on various topics, evolution, logic, things like that.

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So there we go. So like I said, nobody is showing up yet to participate.

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Now what I could do is I could start reading some stuff about Catholicism.

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I could just start doing a monologue. You're a Roman Catholic Greek Orthodox Christian.

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I don't even know how that works. But you're welcome to ask a question or whatever you want to do or come into the participation room.

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Let me move this over here. What I'm going to do is go to the

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CARM site. I'm going to just read some stuff here and talk about Roman Catholicism.

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And as you guys know, I believe it's completely false that if you believe,

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I should clarify, not completely because it does it from the Trinity and the deity of Christ and things like that, which is good.

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But it has been so corrupted over the years that, well, it just doesn't preach the true gospel anymore.

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In fact, on the, excuse me here. I got a little something in my eye. And the Facebook page, is

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Roman Catholicism true? The Roman Catholics have been coming out more and more attacking

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Protestants, calling it a cult. Okay, whatever. My request is show me from scripture.

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I made a comment earlier, put a video up because I was listening last night.

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I had to go get something and do some couple errands. And I listened to the local

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Roman Catholic station this morning or last night, I should say. And I got home and I talked to my wife about it.

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And I said, look, you know, they were talking, these two priests about racism, which of course, you know,

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I'm against. And he talked about how, anyway, how the

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Catholic church could help and that people needed to come and trust in the church and that the church had the solution.

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And I was listening and I didn't hear them mention Jesus once. Two priests talking for about 15 minutes, that's all

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I heard, doing errands. I was in and out of the car. I didn't hear them mention Jesus once.

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And I know why, because Jesus says in Matthew 12, 34, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

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And so what they were bearing witness of was not Christ, but the church, authority of the church, the ability of the church, the sacraments of the church, forgiveness found in the church.

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It's just, to me, I find it just to be ludicrous. I mean,

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I would love to be in the room with those two priests and say, what are you guys thinking? Why do you point to the church and not

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Jesus? We are pointing to Jesus by pointing to the church. That's how they think.

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Uh, they are so brainwashed. The Roman Catholic church is so false.

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Um, man, it just, it's amazing. Uh, yeah, they always, that's right.

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Uh, Darrell, the, the Roman Catholics often appeal to church history. Well, the problem with church history is, you know,

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I don't know how, you know, like you could see back on the shelves back here.

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Uh, let's just say that this, let's say, you know, that this shelf right here, all right, this shelf, here we go.

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This right here. Let's say these shelves are full of the books of the church fathers. They can take about that many books.

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I mean, they're just, you know, all the church fathers, they said, well, there's a lot of church fathers writings, a lot.

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And to see, um, um, um, post -Nicene church fathers, and they say all kinds of things.

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Well, if you've got that much material right there, you can go through and find out various quotes and say, see, they taught what we believe.

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Maybe in that book right there, they might've taught on one of the pages inside of that book right there, something that the

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Catholic church says, see that hurt that the church taught what we taught, the church fathers taught what we taught.

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It's that kind of mentality. It's a problem. And, um, yes,

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I would like to know how you feel about Catholic relevant radio and Catholic answers. Oh, Catholic answers. I think it was the radio show.

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I called up, uh, someone asked me about this. This is about five years ago, maybe more. I don't know, but I called up,

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I had a question for him. And I remember where I was on the freeway here and, uh, put me on hold.

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I have my Bluetooth and the whole bit I was driving and I was told what

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I could do by the screener. I could not argue. I could not raise a counterpoint.

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I could only ask my question and then they would put me on hold and silence me. And then they would answer.

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And then I was not allowed to come back and combat them. And so I've said, really, this is what, are you serious?

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So I got on their show and I asked the question immediately. I was, you know, uh, wait.

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And, and I go, and they said something, I'm like, but wait a minute. And they, they cut me off so that I couldn't, uh, respond to them.

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You know, on my radio show, Catholics will call up and let's argue. Let's talk. You disagree.

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Let's, let's do it. What's your point? Let's go. What is it about them that they're so stinking afraid that they have to control how the conversation goes?

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You have to control how the questions go. You know why? Because it's about the church.

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It's about elevating the church. And one of the programs, uh, some of the guys will say, uh, you know,

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I've got a convert from Protestantism to the church. I thought they say, they say from the

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Protestantism to the church, you come home to the church. It's just, they're, they're so stinking blind.

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They're so stinking blind. Come home to the church. You, you know, you have to rejoin with the church.

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The church has the authority. The church, the church, the church replaces Jesus in Catholicism.

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Uh, Hey Matt, by any chance, you remember that atheist group, the rational response squad? Yeah. Uh, man, they were so bad at arguing.

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You've got that right. I didn't tell the story about that, but, uh, you know,

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I had whatever on my radio lady. It didn't go well for her. Uh, isn't the Paul, isn't the Paul that Catholics say founded their church is not the apostle

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Paul. I'm not sure what you mean by that. The church has nothing about without Jesus. So see now the church has nothing about Jesus.

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I don't know if pixel dust here is a Catholic or not, because they'll say the kind of thing. They'll say the church has nothing about Jesus. We've talked about Jesus.

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That's why they say, did you come home to the church? He didn't say, did you trust in Christ? Have you received

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Christ as your savior? No. Have you trusted in the church? I just hate it.

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Uh, yeah, their, uh, their church is their God. How come nobody's here in the participation room?

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Are you guys afraid of me? I think the Catholics are afraid of me. I don't think the

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Catholics want to get in here and mix it up with me. I think that's a problem for them. I think they, uh, they don't want to be asked difficult questions.

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I remember on Saturday, was it? I had a discussion with an Eastern Orthodox guy for two hours.

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It was a Thursday night. That's right. And, uh, some of the guys like Clint Dempsey on, you know, whatever, whatever he says, uh, he, you know, he's going to destroy you.

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Uh, I don't think it went well for him. That's my opinion. Act 748, uh, however, the most high does not live in houses made by human hands.

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As the prophet says, that's right. Jesus is on the outside of the Catholic church, knocking on the door, asking to come in. They don't want him to come in because they already have their

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God on their throne. It's not Jesus. Uh, the world has been waiting for Matt Schlick all those years to clarify these matters.

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Oh, John, why the mockery? Look at, look at this folks.

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This is mockery. It's what John's doing. See, I'm attacking the doctrines of the

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Roman Catholic church and its problems. And you just start with mockery.

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Is that how, how it works? Is that what your church teaches you? Mockery? Hey, I'm going to read you some scriptures.

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All right, here we go. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned as it were with salt, so that you may know you should respond to each person.

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Four, six, yeah, basic, you know, that's all. Matt, call into Catholic answers and debate.

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I can't call into Catholic answers and debate. I just told you, John, they, last time

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I called in, they controlled the conversation so that I couldn't have a discussion.

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Can you get Layton Flowers on and ask him to explain propitiation, the traditionalist view? It's about Catholicism, folks.

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Yeah, I'd talk to Flowers again if he wants, but he was after me, after me, after me to have a discussion.

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After our last discussion, he's not been after me anymore. He hasn't, he's not sought out to try and refute me anymore.

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I'd be glad to have a debate with him, a formal debate. Anything on the sign of the cross that Catholics make?

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Hey, is there anything to the sign of the cross? Yeah, it's just superstition, you know, in Chevy guy.

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It's just superstition, that's all. All right, so still nobody's in the participation room.

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I could go over to Discord and discuss things there. There's some good interactions there.

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I don't like doing monologues. Maybe I'll read some, okay, I know what I'll do. I'll read some Catholic stuff. Yeah, I'll get to it for today.

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Let's see, how about this? What I believe is the strongest argument for Catholicism?

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The strongest argument for, let me see if I can entertain that question. What would be the strongest argument for?

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I couldn't say tradition because they contradict each other. That wouldn't work. I couldn't say it because they claim to be the original church, because that's just an opinion.

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And even if it was, which I don't believe it is, so what? That doesn't prove anything.

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I don't think there is any strongest argument. You couldn't go to the scriptures because the Bible doesn't say.

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I think maybe the best thing they might have is to say that the authority is given to the disciples, but it doesn't say it was given to the descendants of the disciples.

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Oh, so you watched that Jesus Word when I was talking to him, Layton Flowers? I saw funny watching it.

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Yeah, that was ridiculous what he was doing. There's no, there is no strong argument. I'm serious. I don't know of any strong argument for Catholicism.

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Come on Catholics, give me a call or come on into the room here, I should say.

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You know, let's just talk. All right, let's, come on. I don't see how the

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Catholic Church could be the original church when the book of Acts recorded the original church in Jerusalem, just a thought. Hey, good point.

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That's right. The Jerusalem Council, which says don't eat blood.

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What do Catholics do? Blood. You're the true church, that's right. I think

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Catholics are afraid to come in, because if we have a discussion, they know, I'll just ask them about scripture. They don't want to do that.

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If they talk about tradition, you're going to show me something? My wife's laughing, looking at her phone.

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Hold on. Oh, okay, let me see. Okay, I got to watch this folks.

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Hold on. This is my wife's phone. A very good friend of ours, long story, just had a baby.

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This is a very good friend we've known for years and years, and they just had a baby, and they just put the video up just now and had a baby.

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I love babies. All right. I don't see how they're going to Jerusalem.

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That's a good point, Steve. I'm going to look into that. It's just a good point. I always learn something from people I'm talking to.

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There's always a little something that someone will say, wait, what about that? What about this? That reminds me, you know that in Matthew, let's see,

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I won't get into that. Let me just read some stuff here. How about if I read some stuff from Catholicism?

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What do you think? Think it'd be interesting? Got a link from you,

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Matt? Oh, hey, Charlie. Just go to the Facebook page, but oh, wait, I'll email it to you like I normally do.

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Okay. I'll be here for a little bit and see if people come in, and if they don't, we'll see what happens.

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Catholic Talk 172019. Charlie's a good friend of mine, known him for 38, 39 years, probably.

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All right. He'll be in a little bit, and he helps moderate. People come in, they're just twits, but the

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Catholics, what they'll say is, I'm not going to come in there because Matt will just control it. He'll just mute people, and then what they do is they point to the discussion

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I had with Richard Akins three, four weeks ago after two and a half hours of trying to get him to answer questions.

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They kept interrupting. I finally said, look, answer the questions, and they wouldn't, and then all the Catholics do is go to that part.

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I think one guy said, start at two hours and 27 minutes, then you'll see. I'm laughing.

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Are you kidding me? See how Matt controls it?

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Go to two hours and 27 minutes to see. I'm laughing. It is so ridiculous.

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Catholics couldn't think the way to have a white paper bag. All right. Okay. Okay. Now, how about this?

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This is really good. Did you know, according to paragraph 85 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the task of giving an authentic interpretation of the word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the church alone.

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Notice, the church. Notice authority is in the church. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.

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They just claim that in the name of Jesus Christ. And also paragraph 88 says, the church's magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ.

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The church has the authority, not Jesus, the church. But I would not believe in the gospel had not the authority of the

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Catholic Church already moved me. Paragraph 119. Did you hear that? I mean, isn't that amazing?

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Put some of these quotes in the chat room there. Let me see if I can get this going back up here.

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Come on. No, not that one. Hold on, folks. I gotta leave windows open. Here we go. That's really good.

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I like this one. Here we go. Man, do you believe this is the strongest argument against Catholicism?

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The Bible. So, see, look at that. I would not believe in the gospel had not the authority of the

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Catholic Church already moved me. Wow.

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Let's see. How about this one? This is paragraph 816.

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For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.

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Oh, it had 200 character limit, didn't go through? Oh, yeah, it does have a 200. So that's paragraph 816 right here.

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Let's just put this right here so you guys, maybe Charlie can start doing it. I'd got to keep him busy, wouldn't it?

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There we go. That works. Ah, the Roman Catholic Church and its great authority.

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Yeah, salvation's in the church. Right. I don't buy that for a second.

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Let's see now. Catholic authority. You know what?

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Catholics aren't going to participate. What I want to do is, yeah,

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I know, John 20. Yeah, we can look at John 20 if you want later.

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So here's the thing. You know, I started thinking about this authority thing from the Roman Catholic Church. Now check this out.

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Okay. I've already read some of the things where it says it has the authority, authority, authority.

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Um, now Jesus demonstrated. Now check this out. This is

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Luke 5, 24 through 25. Now, if I put this in two parts here, there we go.

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Notice what it says here. Uh, but so that you may know that the son of man has authority on the earth to forgive sins.

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He said to the paralytic, I say to you, get up and pick up your stretcher and go home. Immediately he got up before them and picked up what he had been lying on and went home glorifying

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God. So, you know, you can see right there that, uh, to demonstrate his authority,

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Jesus performed a miracle by command just right there. I mean, that's pretty easy, right?

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Pretty easy to understand. All right. Now check this out. He just summoned his 12 disciples.

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How many did he just summon? 12 disciples. Okay. Uh, and gave them authority over unclean spirits.

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Does that mean all the disciples, the descendants of the disciples, the apostles throughout history now have the authority?

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Is that what that means? Who do you give the authority to? He gave it to the 12 disciples, gave them authority over unclean spirits to cast them out, to heal every kind of disease, every kind of sickness, heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons freely.

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You received freely give. Wait a minute. Freely? You received freely give?

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The Roman Catholic church does not freely give. Not at all. Penance, indulgences, purgatory.

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That's not freely give. You have to go to the Roman Catholic church, say your Hail Marys, your penance, do your stuff.

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And then you have to go participate through certain things. And then you get it. The Catholic church owns you.

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The Catholic church owns you. It does. Now, did the apostles exercise

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Christ's authority? These disciples who are the, uh, apostles, did they do that? Yeah, they did.

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All right. And, uh, in fact, Charlie, this is in the, uh, admin room.

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You go, Oh man, look at that. How come that didn't work? There we go. That's what we're doing.

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If you want to go ahead, um, and you can look,

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Jesus raised the dead on command, uh, and he came up and touched the coffin and the bears came to a halt.

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And he said, young man, I say to you, arise, the dead man sat up and began to speak. And Jesus gave him back his mother.

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Uh, and also now that that's here, let me see if I can, it won't be there.

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Uh, yeah. A friend of ours, Ryan had a baby, a friend of ours. Okay. Just today, tonight.

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All right. Yeah. All right. Now check this out, folks. Um, hope that's, let's see, let's see, do this.

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Here we go. Peter raised the dead on command. Look at this, but Peter sent them all out, knelt down and prayed and turned him to the body, said,

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Tabitha arise. And she opened her eyes. Now there's the authority, right? The Catholic priests do that. They do that.

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Uh, Peter healed on command. Peter said to them, uh, Ananias, Jesus Christ heals you, get up and make your bed immediately.

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He got up. Okay. You know, this, this Catholic authority is what I'm showing you, right? They say they have authority.

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How was the authority exercised? Well, Peter did it on command, didn't he?

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On command. And, uh, I don't see, I don't see the

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Catholic priest doing it on command. Do you? Look at this, Acts 14, eight through 10.

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At Lystra, a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb who had never walked.

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This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he fixed his gaze upon him and seen, had seen that he had faith to be made well, said with a loud voice, stand up on your feet or stand up right on your feet.

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He leapt up and began to walk. Now notice Peter, this is supposed to be the first Pope. This is the authority that he exercised.

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Why is it the Popes now can't do it if they have the same authority as Peter?

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Jesus said, this is the key, said earlier, so that you may know that the son of man has authority to forgive sins, et cetera.

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Pick up your pallet, go up and walk, go. He gave the authority to the disciples. And here, what we see is that the lack of the ability of the

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Roman Catholic church to do what the apostles said it is to do. They can't do the same thing because they claim to have the authority of the church, the authority of Christ.

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Really? Let's see it. Jesus demonstrated his authority by the miracle.

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Peter was able to demonstrate his authority. Paul was able to demonstrate his authority by command just to say things.

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Let's see the Roman Catholic priests do this. Let's see the Roman Catholic magisterium do it. Let's see the Pope do it. The Pope was supposed to be in the seat of Peter.

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Let's see him do it. Now, the Catholic church claims to have the authority of Christ from the apostles down to the apostles, but can the

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Pope and the bishops do what Jesus and the apostles did? They can't. So how is it that we're supposed to believe that they have the authority of Christ?

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That's what I want to know. How do we know that the Catholic church has that authority? It says it has the authority.

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And what's it based on? Because we're the descendants. That's why. We're the descendants.

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We have the apostolic line. That's why we have the authority. Can you prove that you have the authority?

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No, we just say we do. That's all it is. Just trust us. We have the authority. How do you know?

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Because we say we do. How do you know? Because we're the lineage from the apostles. Really? Show me that in scripture. Okay. See, you give the disciples the authority.

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How many disciples did he give the authority to? Twelve. Could you continue and explain on things?

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You see, it just doesn't go well for them. Let's see.

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So now what do you want to talk about? I got more. I could talk more about Roman Catholicism. Well, then no one has the authority to make dogmatic claims.

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What? Yeah, Jesus does. He makes dogmatic claims. And we can make a dogmatic claim when we agree with scripture.

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Because if the Bible says it, then we can do it. I mean, we can just proclaim it.

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For example, Jesus said in John 14, 6, no man comes to the Father, but through Jesus, through him.

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So that means then it is dogmatic. We can say it for sure. Not a problem, is it?

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So if you're a Roman Catholic, John Everett Button, which I think you are, maybe you could try and defend

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Catholicism. Maybe you can do that. Maybe, I don't know, you can explain why it's true.

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What happens when people disagree with what Jesus said? If they disagree with what Jesus said, they would be wrong.

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And what do you mean by what happens? Do they levitate? Do they go to sleep? What do you mean what happens? So, okay.

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I'm looking on the post here. You mean God may not have elected me?

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Yes, precisely. But I still love you too. Yeah. See, they mock what they don't understand.

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That's what Catholics do a lot. They mock God's election. When the Bible says he chooses us for salvation, 2

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Thessalonians 2, 13, that's what election is. And then they mock it. Man, you love the live stuff, huh?

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Good. All right. Maybe what I'll do is continue to read through some of the

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Catechism stuff. Now, folks, what

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I'm gonna do is read something here, and I'll put it in here, okay?

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Because it'll be interesting. Here we go. And we'll do this one.

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Here we go. I got it. This is out of the

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Catholic Catechism, paragraph 460. The word became flesh to make us partakers of the divine nature, for this is why the word became man.

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And the Son of God became the Son of man, so that man, by entering into communion with the word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.

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For the Son of God became man so that we might become God. The only begotten

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Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature so that he made man, might make men gods.

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Now, here's the thing. I'll show you something. A lot of people say that I take things out of context.

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So what I'm gonna do is go to one of my favorite sites in doing research on Catholicism.

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And I'll put a link in for all of you as soon as this works. There we go. And I'm gonna go to paragraph 460.

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And I'll put this link in. And you guys can then, there we go, you guys can check it out.

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What you have to do, I'll put it in the complete context of the

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URL. And you guys, boy, it's really slow. And what you can do is you can go check it out for yourself.

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Yep, there we go. That's right. So I'm gonna do this whole thing, enter in the catechism at that point.

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Okay, I'm waiting for it to do this. Come on. And then what I'll do is I'll put the

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URL in, you guys can click on your own and you can read the whole catechism in its context and see if I'm taking it out of context.

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Here it goes. Ready? Okay. Now, if you were to put that link into a browser, and if you were to, hopefully it's not too short that you can still do it, you can go in and you can read.

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And you know what's really interesting about this? Nothing before or after in the catechism says they don't really think you're becoming gods.

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Why is it they don't clarify? Why is it the Roman Catholic Church does not clarify that no, we're not really teaching you actually become

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God, we don't become a god. They don't clarify before or after.

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You know, when you exalt man, deification occurs one way or another.

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Oh, Brother Diamond, hey, come on in, buddy. If it's you, come on in. Come on into the real thing.

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Okay. Here's the link.

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Come on in. See, there it is.

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Copy that. Come on in. You got to be polite now. You can't be mean. Okay.

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Let's see if he shows up. If you're not sure about it, type in your email address, and I will email it to you.

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Not a problem. Give him some time.

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And I think he's a sette, setteficantist. Let's see.

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Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Yeah. One of my favorite things to talk about in Catholicism is

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Mary. I love talking about Mary because of the things that they say.

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All right. Let's see. Nope. Hold on a sec. Okay.

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Here we go. All right. The Holy Spirit prepared Mary by His grace.

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It was fitting that the mother of Him in whom the whole fullness of needy dwells bodily should herself be full of grace.

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Okay. Notice it says full of grace, right? Now, what I'm going to do, what

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I'm going to do is this. I'm going to, in my

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Bible program, I'm going to type in the phrase, full of grace.

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And it actually uses the phrase, full of grace.

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And it uses the phrase in a couple places. Okay. Look, you said, you just said, why are you afraid to debate me?

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I immediately, immediately provided a URL for you to come in, and then you back out.

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And you say, this is how I want you to do it. You had an opportunity, and everybody here can see that you're the one backing out.

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I immediately provided an address for you to come on in. And now you don't want to do it.

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Okay. Fine. Don't do it. Fine. So, full of grace. Okay.

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Where's the mouse? Okay. Here we go. Now, check this out, folks. John 1, 14.

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This is talking about, watch this. John 1, 14.

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Okay. Notice what it says here. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us.

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And we saw his glory, glories of the only begotten from the father, full of grace and truth. That's what it says.

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Now, I'm going to look at the Greek. All right. Real easy to do. My program. I got a great program here.

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Now, if you guys are enjoying me doing this in the YouTube room there, then what you can do is, you know, say, yeah,

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I'm enjoying this. Keep going. Okay. If not, I got other people I can debate and teach. Okay.

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So, I want to hear some feedback. See if you guys are enjoying this.

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Now, what it says in the Greek, full of grace. The word for full, literally, is the word plares.

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Okay. Plares. That's what it says. Or pleres. That's what it says.

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And it means to be full or complete. And grace, right, is keritas. So, we have plares keritas.

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That's what we have. Okay. Now, this is what the phrase is. Plares keritas.

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Okay. That is full of grace in Greek. And it occurs there in John 1 14.

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Now, watch this. Watch this, folks. I'm going to go to Acts 6 8.

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Okay. This is what it says in Acts 6 8. Okay.

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Now, watch this. Acts 6 8.

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Okay. People like it? Okay. And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing the great work.

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Now, wait a minute. How can Stephen be full of grace? You know, you watch this, folks. So, what is the phrase in Greek, full of grace?

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It is this phrase. I missed the last one.

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Here we go. Plares. Oh, I missed it. All right. John, get him in here.

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Get him in here. Just listen now. And no problem. Look, you guys can always report.

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What Catholics like to do is say, back then, no, no, no. If he wants to have a discussion, that's fine.

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I'm just showing what the Greek says, guys. So, that's what it says. Full of grace is in reference to Jesus, and full of grace is in reference to Stephen.

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Now, it does say full of grace. Let's go to Luke 1 28. And it says this in the

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Greek. In Luke 1 28, when Elizabeth says to Mary, greetings, favored one, the

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Lord is with you. What is the, what's the word?

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It's the word. Now, here we go. This word, Strong's Concordance is 5487.

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So, here I'm going to do this, is do a search for the Greek word. 5487.

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Every single occurrence occurs twice. All right. Luke 1 28, which is this verse right here.

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I'll post it in. There we go.

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Okay. Someone beat me to it. That's fine. You guys want to put verses in. Okay.

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Now, and the other one is in Ephesians 1 6.

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How about that? And this is what Ephesians 1 6 says. To the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us and the beloved.

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And it's from the same Greek word, freely. So, many ways, as you'd like to say, suggest, like to say,

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I mean, like to say, there's many ways to say it, really. But it doesn't say it the way it said about Jesus.

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It doesn't say it the way it said it was about Stephen. Now, here's the thing. If Stephen is full of grace, but Mary's full of grace, which is why she's sinless, then why is

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Stephen full of grace, sinless also? And it says full of grace.

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Basic stuff. There we go. There you go.

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Thanks, man. Charlie's awesome. So, oh, something in my eye.

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So, isn't that interesting stuff? I mean, the Catholics just, you know, there's always a little bit of something that you go, wait a minute, that's not, that's not right.

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You know? All right. All right. Let's see what else.

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How about this one? This one's good too. All right.

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By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the mother of mercy, the all holy one.

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Brother Diamond, I'm accepting it. Come in right now. Right now, Brother Diamond, I'm accepting it. Come in right now and talk with me right now.

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What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? See, I don't, here, let me tell you something,

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Brother Diamond, Mr. Diamond, whatever, is your friends, your, I'm going to call them cronies.

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What they've been doing is trying to bully me. You got to do it. You chicken, you this. I don't respond to bullies, you see.

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And because they have been so consistently rude, they say, no, no, no, you arrange it. And then they say, no, it's up to me.

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No, they want to do it. They need to arrange it. When I debate atheists, we have a third party that usually arranges it.

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That's how it works. And here you are. And I'm saying, come in right now and have a discussion right now.

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What's wrong? But I'll tell you, if you want to debate later on a particular topic that we have an agreement on,

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I'll have more time to prep for it. I don't have any time. You're a Sedefacantist. I don't know Sedefacantism very well.

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This should work out well for you. So anyway, so wait a minute.

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Now, how is Mary the all holy one? Now here, that's interesting because what that reminds me of is this.

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This is what the Bible says here. It says,

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Mary was chosen by God to bear Jesus because she was free from sin. Oh, she was? How do you know she's free from sin?

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Where does it say that in the Bible? Now God says, she'll be holy for I am holy. So God is holy.

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Would you say holiness is an attribute of God's existence? I'd say yes,

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I would. How is Mary all holy?

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Can we say idolatry? I can. Ready? Idolatry.

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Let's see. I like this one too.

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This is a good one too. You guys can read this on my site, but I'm just commenting on various things.

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Here we go. Mary is second to Eve. What? Did you guys get all that?

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Yeah. No. Did you? I can do it again. Oh yeah,

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I did. Okay, good. It was she, the second Eve, who, free from all sin, original or personal, and always more intimately united with her son, offered him on Golgotha to the eternal father for the children of Adam.

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She offered Jesus. So anyway, where do they get this stuff?

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Seriously, where do they get this stuff? It's not in the Bible. Okay, let's see what

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Gwenda said. That's right. It's perfect passive participle. It means or it means fulfill or endow with grace.

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Well, look, you got to be careful, Gwenda, because look, because what does this mean?

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What word is that? Whoops, I misspelled it. Butterfly, right? I got to spell this right.

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Butterfly. Okay. The word butter and the word fly. Now, this is how you understand theology because you take parts of the word, you take the parts apart, and then you put them back together the way you want.

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And so butterfly means that I have condiments that actually are so light that they can float across the room.

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That's what it means, butterfly, right? So that's a problem.

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So what does Carvatao say? To grace, highly honor, greatly favor.

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Spoken of only in divine favor to the Virgin Mary. That's right. Now, if they want to say it means he's full of grace, if they want to say it, then

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I got a question. Was Stephen full of grace? It's real simple because they're going to want to argue that about Luke 128.

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Okay. So let's just, you know, let's just, yeah. Okay.

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So was Stephen full of grace? Was he? I would say so, right?

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That's the word charis, which means grace. Okay. So if Mary is full of grace and she's holy and sinless, then

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Stephen, who's full of grace, must be holy and sinless. Okay. Is that okay?

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And if not, why not? Since it specifically says Stephen was full of grace. So does the phrase full of grace mean that Mary was sinless, born without sin, et cetera.

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Because if Stephen was full of grace, come on, help me out. Satan, Stephen, the martyr.

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Yeah. Oh, it's the perfect participle, which means he already was filled with the grace.

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Oh man, I got something in my eye. Dang it. She's already filled with grace. Yeah, she was in that Jesus was in her womb.

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So there you go. Dang it. So show me from the scriptures when she was filled with grace.

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Okay. This is starting to bother me. Something in my eye. I may have to go in the restroom and wash my face or something here.

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Get some water. Hopefully though. Let's see. All right. All right.

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So it looks over that Matt is obviously afraid to accept my official debate challenge. I'm accepting.

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Come in right now. Come in right now. Right now. I'm accepting right now. Come on in.

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Come on in right now. Here we are. Right now.

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Let's go. Here we go. What I'll do again is put in the link again.

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Okay. I've told people, come on, have a meeting here.

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Come on in. You're right here. Debate me right now. Let's go.

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And then he says, everybody, Matt's a chicken. He accepts my challenge. Let's debate right now.

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Just come into the room. Or if you want, I'll give you a phone number you can call.

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I'll put you right here and on speakerphone and everybody can hear you. You want to do that?

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Guataman, I tell you what, email me that seriously because there's a problem in your logic.

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You go to a word that does not say specifically as it does with Stephen. And if you want to say that there's different ways to say full of grace, then there's different ways to say full of grace, according to your logic.

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And why is it when Stephen's specifically said to be full of grace, all of a sudden, it doesn't count.

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It's a double standard. That's all it is. Tell you what, you can

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PM me if you want and I'll call you and we can have a little discussion. I can put you on the speakerphone. Okay, speakerphone, diamond, and then we can have a blab.

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Give a speakerphone that can hear you. If you don't have a microphone, not a problem. Are you ready?

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Want to do that? You can email me right now. Say, email me, okay? And no one can see your phone number and you can email me at, let's see, which would be a good one right now.

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Okay. How about, what email have I got up?

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Okay. Just, you could just email me at info at carm .org. Okay.

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Email me a phone number. I can call you at, okay. We'll get you on the speaker right now.

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I have to use the restroom though, pretty soon, just so you know, just being fair. Okay.

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People text you about various things. Okay. Oops. I should get in there, get the password going so I can get in there.

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All right. Come on, you. I think I've got my phone anyway.

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Okay. Let's see if he does.

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Can you guys excuse me while I use the restroom? I've not been feeling all that well.

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So what I did was I drank a lot of liquid. That's, you flush it out with a lot of liquid. So that's my, that's what

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I do. Trying to get into the other accounts. Info.

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Wow. Interesting. Oh, come on, you slimeball.

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There we go. All right.

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Okay. I'm in info at carm .org.

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Matt, I won't debate on your venue. If you're serious about wanting to debate, then email me. Oh, do you want me to debate on your venue?

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I'm here right now. Everybody's watching and you don't want to debate me here on my venue.

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You want me to do it on yours. So that's okay. So that double standard anybody.

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And I've, I've really working here so that I can, you know, give me a number and we can have a discussion right now.

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Okay. Right now. Here's my, my phone. I got it right here. And, um, you'll check it out.

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You said I was afraid. I'm not afraid. You just stopped bearing false witness. I'm offering the opportunity right now and you won't do it.

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It's probably not the real butter diamond. I bet you. Crony.

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Tell you what folks, I have to use the restroom. Okay. So give me, yeah, it might be, uh, you could see that they, uh, it'd be the kind of thing that, uh, one of these sort of artists would do to misrepresent the truth and fake.

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I'll be right back. I know. All right.

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Okay. He won't, he won't call. He's afraid to bet me.

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I'll tell you what diamond. Let's see if it's really you. I don't know who this dime. I've never, I don't know if I've heard him or not.

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Let's just see if it's really you. I'll tell you what, why don't you email me at info at carm .org

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and give me a phone number. I can call and I'll play it. And those who know who you really are, they can verify your voice.

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Okay. They can verify it to you and not some imposter. We'll do that.

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Info at carm .org just for verification. Okay. You think it's reasonable?

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Everybody think it's reasonable. I go into chat rooms and people don't believe it's me. So I have to use my voice.

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I have a distinctive voice. They say, so they go, okay, Tim might be wrong.

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Might be somebody else. I'm waiting. Look at this. My, I got my little phone here. This is a galaxy note nine.

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I had to save up for it quite a bit. And, um, boy, do I like it? Oh, that's good.

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Okay. I'll keep refreshing to see if an email is coming in. 1 -800 -PrayToMary.

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I'll tell you what, I'll give him one more minute. And if no phone number comes in, the no one that verifies him, whatever, we'll move on to something else.

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Okay. So, okay. Yep. Yep.

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Yep. Hey, people are mentoring me in a comment on Facebook.

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I get mentioned a lot. Very reasonable. Partisanism is a fraud. Okay. Why? So many cases of child abuse if they go on to call price.

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What? Look, just because someone, look,

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I've said this before, just because Catholic priests, some of them are guilty of child abuse doesn't mean

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Catholicism's false. It's a improper logic. I don't use that argument. You got bad eggs everywhere.

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Okay. Ready? Here goes another one. I'm going to refresh. Let's see if Diamond.

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Okay. So it's not really him. It's just a poser because he's not even emailing me to verify that by his voice that it's really him.

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So it's probably not him. It's one of his cronies just trying to force things, be a bully.

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So how many in here think that this Diamond fellow really is chicken? You're not going to be bullied in.

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I don't do that, guys. I don't do that. Okay.

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I don't see anything. It's been a minute. Is it okay? Yeah. I'm afraid. That's why Diamond here won't come in and talk to me.

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Yeah. Right. Watch this. Ready? Okay.

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So, all right.

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Oh, man. Okay. Watch this. Get ready.

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Come on. Come on. There we go. Oh, okay.

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But Diamond is a joke. That's right. What a coward. Matt doesn't even respond to him anymore. It's ridiculous.

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It's like, you're afraid. You're this. I'm in the seventh grade and I'm going to call you out.

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You're chicken. Come on. I get tired of it. All right.

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Gave him plenty of opportunities. Okay. How many of you would like me to continue talking about Catholicism for a little while?

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Not to boss me. That's right. That's right. Dr. Grace Clemens, 28

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Alabama. Please, no sports stuff, really. I don't know what that means.

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I don't like sports and it depresses me. Sports is really annoying. I don't care about it. I don't want to hear about it.

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Most William & Mary Monastery and Church, I'm going to start reading. A one -star reading? What does that mean?

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I tell you that Peter upon this rock. Hey, you want to go into that one?

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The Peter to the rock thing? What do you guys think? You want me to do that? All right.

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Tell you what. Is Peter the rock on which the church is built?

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Get this. The Roman Catholic Church would say that the church is built upon Peter.

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I say he's built upon... I got to close the door because the light's glaring. Hold on. Me, I say that the church is built upon Jesus.

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That's what I would say. Not upon Peter. I'd say it's built upon Jesus.

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Now, let's see. This is what it says in the

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Greek. I also say to you that you are

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Peter, Petros, and upon this rock Petra, I'll build my church. Petros is masculine and Petra is feminine in Greek.

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Now, check this out, folks. Later on his new tomb, when he had hewn out the rock,

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Petra, he'd rolled a large stone against the entrance. How about this?

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Check this out. How's God using it? I'm going to educate you. First Corinthians 10 .4,

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and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock, Petros, which followed them, and the rock,

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Petra, was Christ. Now, you see that? Petra, the rock, was

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Christ. Check this out. And the rock, upon this rock,

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Petra, I'll build my church. Now, check this out.

01:01:46

A little bit more information here. Whoops. I got to back it up. Let's see. Two characters, so it'll fit.

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There we go. Okay. 1 Peter 2 .8, speaking of Jesus, it says that he is a stone of stumbling and a rock,

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Petra, of a fence. So, Jesus is a rock, a Petra, of a fence, and the rock that followed the

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Jews in the desert was Jesus, Petra, right? Feminine usage. Feminine usage.

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Okay. Notice what's going on. Look, look, look.

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Can you just deal with what we're talking about here? Because we could, hold on, one thing at a time, deal with the text.

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And if you start quoting church fathers, no one really cares. Not in here. I can quote church fathers, too.

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What does the text say? Okay. Man. And now, here's the thing.

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Petros, right? Check this out. One. Okay.

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Ready? And one. There we go. Petros, a stone, distinguished from Petra.

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Okay. What does Petra mean? Or Petra.

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Come on. Oh boy. That's, that's, there we go.

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That's too big. I'm gonna do it this way. And two. There we go. Petra. Okay. A rock, a ledge or shelf of rock.

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Rock, a peak or ridge. They're different. And notice what this is again. You are

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Petros, masculine rock, which is basically a small boulder.

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Okay. And upon this rock, Petra, I'll build my church.

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How does God use the phrase Petra? He's a reference to Jesus. Need we say more?

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It's like saying in Matthew 16, 18, you are the masculine little rock. And upon this feminine huge boulder,

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I'll build my church. It's like saying like that. Or another way of saying is you are the actor and upon the actress,

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I'll build my church. It's like that in the Greek. Okay. Except that it's not as simple as that.

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Petra is in reference and the feminine usage in reference to the truth of Christ and who was followed in the rock, the big truth, the big aspect of that rock and that truth of massiveness.

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That's what's going on. And of course, the Roman Catholics get it wrong again.

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Okay. I dare not show me one. Let's see. Jesus Christ is the center of the Catholic church. Really? Jesus is the center of the

01:04:43

Catholic church. Hey, Francisco.

01:04:52

Francisco, got a question for you. Are you there? Can I ask you some questions? Francisco. Want to know if I can ask you some questions?

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Okay. You say that Jesus is the center of your church.

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Let's test it. Real simple. Is Francisco afraid? Come on.

01:05:16

Talk to me. Francisco.

01:05:29

The Pope is a servant of the servants of God. Yeah, right. Folks, can you hear me? Ask Francisco if I can test him here and ask him some questions and he's avoiding me.

01:05:41

Yeah. Oh, look at this.

01:05:49

I love it when the Guatemalan in Aramaic, the word Kefa has to do with the rock. See, it's in Aramaic.

01:05:56

In other words, what they're saying, what he admitted is the Greek doesn't support him. So he goes to the language it wasn't written in that we don't have the manuscripts of and says over here, it's different.

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So he's admitting by that attempt that the Greek doesn't support his position. So he has to go a different language.

01:06:14

He's admitting defeat. It's just simple. Now you're going to bring up Pope in all honesty.

01:06:21

Okay. Francisco, can I ask you some questions? Francisco, I'm going to test it.

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Ready? Okay. Let's see.

01:06:49

Hey, guys. Oh, okay. Good. He said ask me. Okay. Hold on a second. Okay.

01:06:58

Okay. Okay. Francisco. Okay. Make sure I get it right. Okay. Here's the question.

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Francisco, if you pray and ask Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins, will Jesus forgive you of all of your sins?

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Okay. Okay. Only if I do the good works in return.

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You guys just see what happened. I asked him a specific question. I asked him, if you ask

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Jesus to forgive you, will he forgive you? The answer is either yes or no. It's either yes or no.

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Yes, he will. No, he will not. If you just ask Jesus and trust in Christ to forgive you, will he forgive you or not?

01:08:10

His answer is only if you do something else. So the answer he's saying is no. Right? Am I correct?

01:08:23

Brother Diamond, everybody noticed. Brother Diamond's afraid to debate me. Right now. Right now.

01:08:30

If I'm afraid to debate him, why am I inviting him to do it right now? Why am I saying let's do it right now?

01:08:36

If I'm afraid to debate him, why would I say right now? If I'm afraid, why would

01:08:44

I say let's do it right now? Is that what it means to be afraid? Hey, I'm afraid of you.

01:08:50

I don't want to debate you. Can we do it right in a second though? That's why I'm afraid of you. That's why I want you to do it right now.

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Because I'm afraid of you. That's why we do it right now. Okay.

01:09:03

Yeah. All right. So Francisco.

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Oh, okay. Well, you know, so he denies that if you ask Jesus to forgive you for sins that Jesus will forgive you.

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Okay. So then they have to do the work of God. Great. Francisco. Okay.

01:09:24

Then what is the work of God? What work?

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What's the work of God you got to do? What do you have to do? Why don't you just come into the participate room and we can talk.

01:09:39

Better typing it out. Hey, folks, instead of saying he doesn't say that, ask him what those works are.

01:09:49

Just he's the one saying it. So what do you got to do? So what do you have to do?

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What are the works that you have to do in order to be forgiven? Giving to the poor volunteering charity.

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Oh, so you have to keep the law. You have to keep the law in order to, so, okay.

01:10:15

So you're keeping the law in order to be saved. Wow. That's bad. I didn't know that you actually thought you could get saved by doing commandments, keeping the law.

01:10:30

That's interesting. So you're doing that. Are you doing enough of those things? Are you?

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So are you doing what you say you got to do in order to be saved?

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Are you? You know, if he should just come into the discussion room and we can have a discussion.

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That's all. It'd be simple. It'd be quick. It'd be efficient. So what

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I'm saying is that he, he's, you know, talking about old Testament works every once in a while.

01:11:25

Oh, every once in a while you do these things. Really? So you don't do them.

01:11:32

So that means you're in a state of damnation. Now, let me ask you, why should

01:11:38

I give up my assurance of salvation in Jesus for your view where you're saved by faith and your works and you're not even doing your works and you want me to join up with you?

01:11:55

Why would I want to do that? Can you explain that one?

01:12:01

You guys see what's happening here? What he's talking about is keeping the law to be saved, like feeding the poor and things like that.

01:12:12

What he's talking about. Notice what it says for as many as are the works of the law are under a curse for it is written cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them.

01:12:30

But Diamond, you know, you just go away. Well, yeah, we've been over this and you're just acting like a child.

01:12:36

Okay. You are just acting like a child. Go away.

01:12:42

Jeez. Let's see.

01:12:50

It just gets old. You're still, wait a minute. You're still young to really have an income. Francisco, look, we're talking about salvation here.

01:12:59

So you're telling me that you have to keep the commandments to be saved and you're not doing it. So that means you're not saved.

01:13:11

Hey, Charlie, can you just boot Diamond out? This childishness of his is ridiculous.

01:13:27

All right. Okay. Yeah, I think

01:13:32

I did. All right. Now, I want you guys to know something here.

01:13:40

First of all, notice the immature methodology that this brother

01:13:47

Diamond person, whoever it is, was using. Pretty schoolyard mentality.

01:13:54

And now what will happen is, let's say I couldn't answer him and I was a chicken and he's going to claim victory.

01:13:59

You guys all know what the facts are. I repeatedly said, yeah, right now, right now. And he said,

01:14:05

I'm afraid. And you know, I just feel like I'm in a schoolyard, you know.

01:14:13

I'm serious. You're afraid, brother. So there's that.

01:14:22

And notice that when I ask people about what they could do to be saved, like this guy, what he does is talk about feeding the poor and helping people and stuff like that.

01:14:32

And he's not doing it. You know, and I quote the scriptures,

01:14:39

Galatians 3 .10, curses everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them.

01:14:46

I mean, this is so obvious to me that the Roman Catholic Church is just false. I mean, its representatives speak like this.

01:14:53

It's just, it's bad. You're not straight on calm. The Puritans literally believe that they didn't have to do any works, but they only had to pray for what?

01:15:02

Francisco, why would the Puritans come from Europe to here? They believed and they did their works because they believed not to get saved.

01:15:17

Now, Jude, if he had a triple dog dared me, maybe I would have given into that one. A triple dog dare.

01:15:23

Now that's quadruple. That'd be tough. Quintuple?

01:15:30

I don't know if I could handle it. Quintuple dog dare you. That'd be good. Anybody got any questions for me?

01:15:43

Anybody have any questions? What is the link to Google live video?

01:15:58

It is here. Hold on a sec. I think

01:16:06

I could do whatever. There it is. Okay.

01:16:12

I hope it works if you click on it because it shortens it. Whenever sin is forgiven at the cross or upon confession to God?

01:16:25

That's a good question because if it's talking about what does it mean to be forgiven? Because I think the answer depends on how precisely we define forgiven.

01:16:42

Did you hear that, folks? The 17 -year -old Francisco Napoli told me to do some research.

01:16:48

That faith alone was one of the foundations of my church, whatever church he is in. I don't know. He wants me to do some study, do some research.

01:16:55

Hey, Francisco, karm .org? I don't know if you've heard of that.

01:17:10

I like when people tell me do some research. Then I like this.

01:17:15

This has happened every now and then. I'll cut and paste stuff from karm that I've written. You can't cut and paste.

01:17:23

Why not? Because you're not using your own work. No, it's mine. I actually had this conversation once. No, I wrote that.

01:17:29

He goes, no, you didn't. Yeah, I did. No, you didn't. Okay. Where are we going now?

01:17:37

Yes, I did. What am I going to say? Sometimes, it's like, wow, that was really something.

01:17:47

No, you didn't. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

01:18:01

Okay. I'm just closing some windows here, thinking about some stuff.

01:18:12

No one in his letters to Erasmus said, your thoughts of God are too human. Okay. Interesting.

01:18:24

All right. You guys have any questions? Seriously. Go downstairs.

01:18:41

Okay. Talking to my wife. Okay. Now, does a venial sin mean?

01:18:53

I'm trying to learn terms. What does it mean? Two kinds of sin, venial and mortal.

01:19:00

Mortal sin removes all of the grace infused into you, murder, adultery, things like that.

01:19:07

All your grace that was infused into you to make you righteous is now gone. Venial sin is just lesser sins, a white lie, maybe lust for a second or two, things like that.

01:19:18

Okay. That's what it is. All right.

01:19:31

Okay. I am trying to do something else here.

01:19:41

All right, Matt, would you love your thoughts on this? I'm not sure I'll type this. Since our sins were on the cross, how would you explain how they are washed from us?

01:19:52

Where does it say our sins are washed from us? Notice I keep asking people, show me scripture.

01:19:59

Show me scripture. Show me scripture. All right. I have a reason for asking.

01:20:09

Okay. Because of our debts.

01:20:15

That's right. All right.

01:20:34

I'm getting a little bored, guys. Come on. Help me out here. Now what are we going to do?

01:21:10

Now what are we going to do, guys? I'm kind of getting a little bored now. I mean, wash away your sins.

01:21:18

Is that what it says there? I knew that was the verse you were talking about.

01:21:24

I was just hoping that you were going to read it, put the whole thing in.

01:21:35

Okay. That's not nice,

01:21:49

Dennis. Not nice. Maybe that's the diamond guy in a different name calling me a buffoon.

01:21:59

Now, why do you delay? Get me baptized. Wash away your sins, calling on his name. What does the cleansing of our sins?

01:22:10

Water? We're calling on Christ's name. I want to know

01:22:21

I'm a buffoon, Dennis. I like it when people say things like that, because it's like, okay, explain. Why am

01:22:27

I a buffoon? That's a good word, too. Buffoon. It is.

01:22:34

I like that word. Explain to me why I'm a buffoon. There we go.

01:22:46

All right. Okay.

01:23:07

Yeah, I can see your comments, Jason Manning. Micah Mowry, did

01:23:14

Jesus make the same distinction about sin as the Roman Catholic church makes? Not that I'm aware of.

01:23:21

Stop talking or he won't see my comments. Sorry, Matt. You cannot find another person who believes exactly as you do.

01:23:31

Okay. Yeah, so? Now what? Exactly? Every detail exactly?

01:23:44

You are a religion of one. What does that mean? I'm a religion of one. What does that mean?

01:23:52

I'm the buffoon, but he keeps saying these things that don't really make any sense. So I'm having a problem following this guy.

01:24:15

Hey, Matt. You know,

01:24:22

Walter Martin's teacher, Donald Gray Barnhouse from the Presbyterian church in Philadelphia?

01:24:30

A one -person religion? How am I a one -person religion?

01:24:39

Oh, good, Judge Edward. Is it the eight and a half by 11? The hard copy?

01:24:46

A lot of stuff in there, huh? He's independent.

01:25:02

I left the RCC too, and I'm here to tell you that there's no way that it could be Christ's church.

01:25:08

It's as easy to see that Satan has prevailed. He got that right. Against it, that's for sure.

01:25:15

What's really speaking to me? Well, do it in the other room, in the admin room.

01:25:22

Could I look up? I guess I could see it. Maybe I was trying to, okay, he must not be listening to me in the hangout.

01:25:33

Oh, well, you know what? Let me, oh, that's because it didn't go to here.

01:25:42

Hold on. Okay, now I should hear you, Charlie. Go ahead. You hear me now? Okay, Charlie.

01:25:52

I'm still trying. I see that you're speaking, but I'm not hearing. Why am I not hearing?

01:25:58

What's going on? All right, this is weird. Okay, let me try something here.

01:26:07

Speakers at 100%. I think my system is just too old. I need a new system. I'm having trouble.

01:26:13

I just rebuilt it again. Let's see. Okay, here we go with this.

01:26:19

Default transmit right there and speakers. Save. I should be able to hear you,

01:26:27

Charlie. Go ahead. Okay, can you hear me now? I don't get it. Let me try this. Say something.

01:26:33

Okay, can you hear me now? I sound like that phone guy on that commercial. Now I can hear you, but why is it doing, but it's not going where it's supposed to go into here.

01:26:44

Well, I don't know. You're the technician, not me. Well, I'm going to. If I ever sound like I know what

01:26:49

I'm talking about with technology, you know that's a mistake. Now I get it. Okay, so the system was overriding the

01:26:56

Google Hangouts. Okay, now I can hear you. Okay. What's up, man?

01:27:01

Well, I was going to say that one guy that says you only go for somebody who agrees with you.

01:27:10

Walter Martin's teacher, Donald Gray Barnhouse, told him something that I remember him repeating to me, that if you find two people that agree on every point, on everything, on every topic, he says one of those people is not thinking for themselves.

01:27:24

So, hey, disagreement's not a vice. Right. Romans 14, 1 through 12 says disagreement's fine.

01:27:31

We have differences of opinion on debatable issues. Not a problem. Exactly. But I think some people see that as a vice and they're mistaken.

01:27:40

I'm going to go ahead and mute. I was hoping people would come in here, though, for crying out loud.

01:27:46

I was hoping. Yeah. If a born -again

01:27:53

Christian commits murder, do they lose their salvation? You cannot lose your salvation. Okay. James, are you saying that salvation is kept by being in the law so that he can bleep, call, and cussing?

01:28:11

I hear Charlie. You can hear Charlie. Good. Okay. Okay. Come on, folks. All right.

01:28:35

Maybe I'll close it up here a little bit because I don't see anybody really challenging anything.

01:28:41

It was kind of fun for a while with the Catholics, but that didn't last long. I think the Catholics are becoming more like the atheists with me.

01:28:47

Fewer and fewer of them are wanting to talk to me. I think they see it as not fruitful for themselves.

01:28:59

Hey. Okay. Uh -huh.

01:29:18

Yeah. Scared. Yeah. All right. Now what, folks?

01:29:24

Come on. Can I ask you about a different topic? Sure. We'll just open it up here a little topic then after Bill go.

01:29:49

More about the CCC than the Bible? Yeah. Yeah, because they're indoctrinated to believe in their church. Mm -hmm.

01:29:56

How do we celebrate people who aren't around to celebrate with us without worship? Easy and independent. Don't listen to the trolls.

01:30:03

They're lost in religion and are not person. With God, they have, that's right. It's really hard to argue

01:30:08

Catholicism biblically. It's not a fair fight. You got that right. Do you know channels called a call for an uprising?

01:30:25

I was wondering on your opinions. Nope. What is it? Wouldn't Mary go to heaven?

01:30:32

She was a mother of God and she was ascended into heaven and could say, that's just Catholic tradition.

01:30:37

Sacred tradition came before sacred scriptures. Really? Sacred tradition before sacred scriptures? Let's just say hypothetically it did, which

01:30:46

I don't buy for a minute. So who cares?

01:30:52

So what does that prove anything? Let's prove anything at all.

01:31:06

Where's the Bible say she ascended? The book of second Moronicles.

01:31:13

That's where it says she ascended. Second Moronicles. All right.

01:31:42

All right. Took a while for you guys to get that one, huh? All right.

01:31:53

54 viewers. Come on folks. I was hoping the Catholics would show up. We had one wacko.

01:31:59

Another person can't defend anything from scripture. Why wouldn't Mary deserve to go to heaven?

01:32:06

Because she's a sinner. No one deserves heaven except for Jesus.

01:32:13

That's right. Matt, do you hear about Boaz before she was married? Did you hear about Boaz before he was married?

01:32:21

Did I hear about him before he was married? No, because I wasn't alive before he was married.

01:32:29

What's the difference between a continuationist, a Pentecostal, and a charismatic? I don't know. What is the difference between a continuationist,

01:32:34

Pentecostal, and a charismatic? How does the RCC decide what sacred tradition is?

01:32:42

That's a question I've been asking. Are you justified before God by believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth or by doing good works?

01:32:49

A or B. That's right. I'm not R .C. Tony Sergeenko. He was ruthless, whoever that was.

01:32:55

Mary believed the gospel. That's why she went to heaven. If someone turns away from Christ and fails to repent and return, then we certainly can lose our salvation.

01:33:05

That's a false doctrine. Oh, A or Z. Are you good enough to keep your salvation? You could lose it.

01:33:11

What do you do to keep it? Are you being good enough to keep it? A or Z, independent. Tell us. Tell us all.

01:33:16

Are you being good enough to keep your salvation with the infinitely holy God of the universe? Have you ever changed your mind about a doctrine?

01:33:26

I have. Of course, Mary had her children. Dude, that's right. Abraham believed the gospel.

01:33:32

You can't get a single Roman Catholic to even tell you the gospel. You got that right, Scott. I've tried so many times.

01:33:39

Tell them what the gospel is. They don't know what it is. Did one of the groups,

01:33:45

Charismatic versus Pentecost, go back to Azusa Street? I don't know what that means. Amen, Scott. All right.

01:33:59

57 watching. Come on, folks. Type in some questions. Type in some questions.

01:34:05

Maybe I could do some more Mary stuff. Tell you what, you guys tell me what you want me to talk about really fast in Catholicism, and I will.

01:34:14

Got to be fast. Let's see how it works, what topic. First time we get five saying the same basic thing,

01:34:22

I'll do that topic. All right. Let's see.

01:34:30

Am I going to go rude? I don't know. Rude? Why would you find a rude guy? I wonder if somebody is rude.

01:34:37

I'm waiting. First one. First five. Gets to find the topic. Hope in all.

01:34:44

Mary had kids. That is biblical. Mary is what the topic is coming up. You guys are just arguing now.

01:34:52

That happens. Eternal salvation is false doctrine because if someone does not repent and return, then you could lose your salvation if we fail to do so.

01:35:00

AZ, you got that in scripture? Anyplace? Show me Bible. Show me scripture. Infusion versus imputation.

01:35:06

You got that right? How did Mary say Mary died a virgin? How she knew her husband after she was born.

01:35:13

Yeah, that's right. Matthew 1 .25. Elizabeth was elderly and gave birth to John the Baptist. So how hard is it to believe

01:35:18

Mary died a virgin? She could have died a virgin, except that she says Joseph kept her virgin until Jesus was born.

01:35:25

Matthew 1 .25. There you go. Difference between Presbyterian and Catholic baptism.

01:35:32

Catholic baptism removes original sin. Presbyterian is a covenant sign. Can you discuss John 20 about the power to forgive?

01:35:38

It's in the perfect passive, which means it's already have been forgiven. So if you forgive their sins, their sins have been forgiven.

01:35:45

That's what the Greek is talking about in that. Mary had a great sex life that glorified

01:35:51

God. Lots of children. Well, I hope she had lots of children. Didn't argue well anymore. How did the Bishop of Rome come into power historically?

01:35:57

I don't know. Brutal question. Your end times view in the Roman Catholic Church? End time?

01:36:04

No. They'll be in cahoots with the Antichrist. That's my view. Talk about priests forgiving sins and why it's unbiblical.

01:36:12

Priests don't forgive sins. Jesus forgives. There is no such thing as predetermined salvation.

01:36:18

There isn't? Wow. As many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

01:36:25

Acts 13 .48. Oops, Francisco, Napoli. Oops.

01:36:31

Acts 13 .48 is good. Joseph didn't know Mary until after Jesus was born. Quite clear.

01:36:36

Matthew 1 .25. That's correct. That is exactly right.

01:36:45

Hey, I got a question for the Catholics in here. I got a question for the

01:36:50

Catholics. Question for the

01:36:59

Catholics if they're interested. No, the Pope is not the Antichrist. He's coming later.

01:37:17

That's right. 2 Thessalonians 2 .3. That's right. God knows what we'll do before we do it.

01:37:33

That's right. He works all things after the counsel of his will. Ephesians 1 .11. How did

01:37:48

Catholics interpret Hebrews 10 .14? I don't know. Let's go to Hebrews 10 .14.

01:38:06

For by one offering he's perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Yeah, dealing with the Eucharist. One offering they offer over and over and over again.

01:38:20

Okay. Hello. KPN 5000. All right.

01:38:44

Okay. Come on. Okay. I said

01:38:56

I had a question for a Catholic. Any Catholic want to step up and say, yeah,

01:39:04

I'll answer a question. The question will be, do you agree with something, a statement out of the

01:39:12

Catholic catechism? That's what I'm going to ask you. Do you agree with a statement out of the catechism of the

01:39:18

Catholic church? Any Catholic want to say, yeah,

01:39:24

I'll answer. Double predestination is heresy.

01:39:30

Well, I guess you don't like Romans 9 .9 through 23. Step up to the plate. Come on, somebody. Come on, Catholic. Richard, you will try?

01:39:40

Is Richard a catechism of the Catholic church? Okay.

01:39:47

All right. You ready? Okay. We got a biter. I guess he's a Catholic. Okay. So do you agree with this statement?

01:40:00

All right. Here it is. Okay. You're Catholic. Okay. Do you agree?

01:40:14

Okay. Here it is. Okay. There's no better way than to look to Mary.

01:40:20

After speaking of the church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary.

01:40:26

Do you agree with that statement? Okay. That's the question.

01:40:47

Do you agree with the statement? Waiting for the

01:41:01

Catholic guy to answer. Yeah, I know.

01:41:12

841 is really good. Yep. But we'll get to that later. Let's see. I'm waiting for the answer.

01:41:28

Do you agree with that statement? There it is again.

01:41:43

There it is again. Do you agree with the statement?

01:41:53

Catholics, do you agree with the statement? No better way than to look to Mary. Oh, he said no?

01:42:09

He doesn't agree with it? Okay. So he knows more than the people in the catechism do?

01:42:15

The church? But he's, you know, they're Catholic. They have to submit to the church. Read the context.

01:42:40

That's what they teach. That's what the Catholic church teaches. There's no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary in regard to the church.

01:42:48

Wow. I thought Jesus would be the one you'd look to. Hang out links, please.

01:42:56

Tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to go to karm .org, apologetics -live.

01:43:03

Just go to apologeticslive .com. It'll forward you there. And I'll put in the link for the participation link into this room right now.

01:43:15

Give me a second. I've got to put it in there. It'll be at the very, very bottom.

01:43:23

Okay. Let's do this. 17209 discussion on Catholicism here.

01:43:37

Almost done. Give me a second. And external. There we go.

01:44:00

Okay. So if you refresh the page, apologetics -live on CARM, very, very bottom, you'll see a link.

01:44:18

There you go. Inside the article area. Ah. So if someone wants to come in, they can.

01:44:41

They can click that link. In fact, if you go here, I'll tell you. All you got to do is go here, folks.

01:44:51

The bottom of the page is a link to participate. Someone asked. And you click that.

01:44:57

It says go to here. It'll get you in. Village in Honduras where my parents are missionaries.

01:45:05

There's a Catholic church, but the church is without priests because they won't send any there. Even the greatest sinners can find a loving mother in Mary, while those who are corrupt find refuge only in their own blind and selfish desires.

01:45:18

Wow. What's your interpretation of Acts 20, 67 in light of the Sabbatarians saying the disciples gathered to commune only on the

01:45:25

Sabbath? Not sure I understand the question. Okay. We got somebody coming in.

01:45:31

Hey, Manuel, how are you? All right.

01:45:39

You a Catholic? Are you a

01:45:45

Catholic? Maybe he's having trouble with his sound.

01:46:55

Well, somehow he left. And Matt, you're not coming through anymore. Okay. Am I back in?

01:47:33

Yes, you're back in. Wow. It crashed in my system. The guy, what happened to the guy? He was muffled and left.

01:47:40

Maybe he'll return. And. Okay. Okay. Wow.

01:47:50

I was just sitting there all of a sudden. Boom. It was gone. So let me get back into the other room.

01:48:00

I think it crashed too. I don't know. Let's see.

01:48:23

All right. Testing. Getting back in. I have no idea why that did it, but it did.

01:48:28

It crashed. All right.

01:48:54

That took a bit. Wow. Matt left for the celestial realm.

01:49:01

He's back. Thanks a lot. Have you talked to Tim Kernan?

01:49:09

Tim Kernan. Did you debate him on Calvinism? No, I debated him on baptism.

01:49:21

He's the Church of Christ guy. I haven't talked to him since. All right.

01:49:46

Well, not much to continue with.

01:50:01

Muslims are not worshiping the same God that we do. That's right. Correction. He went to the celestial realm. I hope some of you know that.

01:50:09

Okay. Okay. Queen of heaven. She was born without the effects of original sin.

01:50:15

Where'd you get all this, Francisco? Show us this in the Bible. Wow. Excuse me.

01:50:28

How do you refute presuppositionally Catholicism? Just ask them to show it in the scripture. Where's in the

01:50:33

Bible? Just make this stuff up. It's like they could have a thousand things.

01:50:41

It's not in the Bible. Where'd you get this? From our tradition. Our church says it. We have a whole bunch of things. Show me in the

01:50:47

Bible. I don't have to. That's how it is. Oh, yeah.

01:51:00

I think I'll go at the bottom of the hour here, guys. I'm going to dine down.

01:51:06

That's all right. Catechism 841 says that Catholics and Muslims worship the same

01:51:20

God. Hey, Matt, I'd love to post my testimony on karma of how I left the Mormon church, came to faith in Jesus, website, opened my eyes to it.

01:51:27

Where's the go in karma to do that? You don't. There's a forum of testimonies, forums .carm

01:51:32

.org. If you email it to me at info at carm .org, I review it.

01:51:37

Maybe I'll put it up on the testimonies page. I haven't put it up in years, but I can do that.

01:51:44

Matt, I love to walk into kingdom halls and LDS churches and try to reason with them. Yeah, I remember all the time.

01:51:51

Do you recommend doing this at Catholic churches in my area? Sure. Go ahead. It's self -contradictory to reject.

01:51:57

Okay. Someone's coming in or whatever. Let's get the, uh, let's see.

01:52:02

Whoops. Sorry. I got unmuted. I got a bunch of, I've got a bunch of Orthodox family here that are waiting till today's calendar to celebrate

01:52:09

Christmas. And so they didn't let me open any of my presents on the conventional time.

01:52:14

So now they're waiting for me to come up there so they can open theirs. And so take your time, take your time.

01:52:21

It's no big deal. Oh, they made you wait so that you can make them wait. Huh? That's it.

01:52:29

Okay. That works. Tell them that they have to go through the toll house to, to, uh, open the present.

01:52:40

Francisco, Napoli, you should never quote revelation 12 in reference to Mary.

01:52:48

You know why? Here, I'll show you why. Revelation 12.

01:53:06

This is why. Look, look what it says.

01:53:23

A great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and on her head, a crown of 12 stars.

01:53:29

And she was with child and she cried out being in labor and in pain to give birth.

01:53:35

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That, that can't be, that just cannot be.

01:53:41

You want to know why folks? I'll show you why it can't be because of Genesis three.

01:53:51

And you know what it says in Genesis three. It says, uh, Genesis three 16.

01:54:06

This is what it says. The woman, he said,

01:54:13

I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth in pain. You'll bring forth children that your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.

01:54:19

So that's part of the curse. So Mary was suffering from the curse. So she was cursed.

01:54:29

How could she have, if revelation 12 was about Mary, how can she be in childbirth pain since she was, that'd be under the curse.

01:54:37

But if she's born without original sin, it was perfectly, you know, innocent than the curse wouldn't have any effect on her.

01:54:49

Uh, that has nothing to do with revelation scripture. Well, you just read it and you read the context. It's a childbirth pain.

01:54:56

That's part, that's for the women who are cursed. So as Mary cursed, I hasn't gotten back to you on that,

01:55:04

Nick. I give it 21 minutes. Maybe it'll happen in 21 minutes. You never know. Oh, well

01:55:17

I tried, you know, tried to have some fun here and have a discussion with, uh, people Catholics.

01:55:29

Yeah. He quoted another to revelation 12. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

01:55:53

They don't know what the gospel is. She was blessed, not cursed.

01:56:12

Then why would she suffer childbirth pain in Romans? I mean, in revelation 12, one through two, since Genesis three 16, the curse upon Eve and her descendants to women is to have childbirth pain.

01:56:44

All right. Yeah. It didn't get to A or B. I'll have to scroll up for hours to find it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:56:59

Backpedal harder. And why does she still feel the curse of pain and childbirth? That's right. Do you know of any

01:57:22

Catholics that change their position on Sola Fide? Then they wouldn't be

01:57:27

Catholics. Kind of a trick question. Those ones have been in the fourth century by power hungry

01:58:00

Roman monarchs. Yeah. I tend to lean towards that one too, Scott. Um, the

01:58:07

Catholic church was in bed in the fourth century. I tend to go that way too by power, hungry

01:58:13

Roman monarchs. Now I like that phrase, power, hungry Roman monarchs. I like that.

01:58:18

That's good. So much elegance in the

01:58:31

Roman Catholic denomination. Just telling you to focus on Christ alone, power, hungry

01:58:41

Roman monarchs. That's I like that Scott. That's a good one. Cody. I am on discord right now.

01:58:47

Looking another screen. I'm in the feminist room asking them to define feminism. I was thinking about going over there and having a discussion if someone wanted to debate me or something like that, but you know, whatever.

01:59:04

It was not created on Pentecost. I like the idea of it was the fourth century by power, hungry Roman monarchs.

01:59:10

I like that. Yeah. Some Catholic, I mean, some church fathers did teach salvation by faith and works and some did not.

01:59:32

Power, hungry Roman monarchs. Who were they? I Clement most definitely taught faith alone.

01:59:55

Yes, he did. And he was the disciple of Peter. All right, guys,

02:00:20

I think I'm going to bail unless Charlie wants to keep the room open.

02:00:26

Oh, Trevor's in. Let's see if Trevor in the discussion here. We'll hang on a little bit. I don't even know how this

02:00:40

Google Hangouts thing works, Matt. Hey, you're doing it. Yeah, well, I can talk to you, but I think that's the extent.

02:00:47

You can hear me, right? Yeah. I can't type anything. Can you? Yeah. In the upper left -hand corner, move your mouse to the upper left -hand corner of the window.

02:00:55

A little chat, a little bar from the left opens up to the right. The top one is a chat.

02:01:00

You click that and then the window on the right side opens up. You can type things in there. Matt, I'm so pitiful on technology now.

02:01:07

Oh, Trevor. Oh, that Trevor. Now I recognize your voice. How you doing, buddy?

02:01:13

Good, Matt. Good. Hey, folks, Trevor's an awesome dude and married a great wife.

02:01:21

I don't know what she was thinking, but hey, how you doing? Hi. So, Matt, I'm actually starting to work on articles for CARM, by the way.

02:01:32

Good. What I've done is I'm doing a weekly apologetics class at my office on Jewish outreach and with every class

02:01:40

I'm putting together an article for you. Absolutely. I mean, that's great. Something about the Catholic thing? Yeah, I don't know.

02:01:47

You should tell them. Since you're talking about Catholicism. I've actually had some success with Catholics recently.

02:01:53

Really? How so? Well, you know, I've been showing up to a - How to become

02:01:58

Catholic. Yeah, to an RCIA class and I've kind of become an expert there. The priest asked me questions just because the

02:02:06

Jewish thing, it's interesting, you know, they're big on tradition and my tradition's a little older than theirs, so that they seem to get along.

02:02:15

I like that. Yeah. But anyway, the guy that runs the class had me meet with him recently because I had given my testimony in the class after I was defending the virgin birth and some other things that some people were asking about.

02:02:29

And he met with me and asked me if I'd go actually share the gospel with his family because none of them are believers.

02:02:38

This is the guy that's running the Catholic RCIA class wants me to go to his house and share the gospel with his family.

02:02:45

Wow. Yeah. That is awesome, man. That is awesome. And of course, you did that, right? Not yet. It's coming up soon.

02:02:51

Oh, okay. I just met with him last week. Yeah. Wow. But the tradition thing is kind of a big deal for them.

02:03:00

And, you know, it's interesting, you can actually see much of Catholicism coming straight from later traditions that developed in Judaism apart from scripture, as opposed to from God's word itself.

02:03:18

Like even purgatory was kind of a historic Jewish belief. Oh, wow.

02:03:24

That'd be really interesting to write some of those articles in relationship to that tradition. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you can tell that we can actually tell where it develops.

02:03:31

But I mean, modern Judaism is and the stuff that they copied things from, even, for example, head covering, you see the pope wearing almost what looks like a yarmulke, right?

02:03:42

Yeah. So some of those things came from Jewish teachings that developed much later after the diaspora.

02:03:49

And you can tell that the Catholic church copies a lot of that stuff. And you can tell, even within Judaism, there's recognition that they're later traditions and not something that was actually instituted from the beginning or from the first century.

02:04:04

So they borrowed it from somebody else. So they claim to be the first original church. Why are they getting this from someplace else? Well, those probably say, well, there were truths.

02:04:11

You see, they're just truths that were in history, stuff before, just confirms it.

02:04:18

Yeah. But but even the the the New Testament documents, for example, when it comes to like head covering, you can tell that most likely men weren't doing that in the first century in first century

02:04:30

Judaism, according to what Paul says in like first Corinthians is at 11. But but that they do start to develop it later.

02:04:39

And then the Catholics see what the Jewish people did and figured that must be what we're supposed to do and just kind of copied it.

02:04:45

You can tell over and over those with some of those type of things that developed even even forms of worship and things that they do, you know, that they when they break their bread and when they break the bread and when they offer their

02:05:00

Eucharist or whatever, they started off with with actually traditional pharisaical prayers because they copied from the

02:05:07

Pharisees. That would be interesting to find out if they could put that connection that got the

02:05:13

Pharisees. They they kind of admit to it. Really?

02:05:19

Yeah. A priest did, at least to me in my discussion with him. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. I asked them, where do they get the prayer that they said when they're when they're, you know, doing whatever they do with the

02:05:31

Eucharist over their altars? And he said, well, part of it's a copy from Jewish prayer. And and we can actually tell where some of that stuff developed historically.

02:05:40

That would be a fascinating article. Seriously. Okay. Well, this is all good,

02:05:46

Matt. Oh, yeah. I'd love to see that. I had no idea that was the case. Yeah.

02:05:54

Anyway. Wow. I'm looking forward to hearing it or to reading it now. Yeah. Well, I'm doing working on some stuff for you,

02:06:01

Matt. It's it's starting simple, right? That's all right. It's a big topic. It is.

02:06:08

And it'll take time. And that's OK. No big deal. Yeah, we need it. I got to talk to you soon.

02:06:14

I'm going to be I'm going to be out in Boise in a few months. I don't know if you'll still be there, but I'll talk to you.

02:06:21

Yeah. Well, the plan is to put the house up in March and then get down to Phoenix area.

02:06:29

And we'll just see what happens. And pray for Nick. I know everybody else is listening to this, but it's she's getting worse.

02:06:36

I mean, her ribs, she cracked another rib today or last night, just putting her she's just taping up a box and just put her right knee on it.

02:06:48

I mean, you know, to hold the lid down in a box is only six, eight inches high. No big deal.

02:06:53

And then she with her left arm just moved a tape over. Wow, Matt.

02:06:59

And it's she's really fighting, you know, that this is this is tough for her.

02:07:05

This is really hard on her. Oh, my gosh. I can't even imagine. And it's not about me, but I'll tell you, it's affecting me because I have to do everything more and more.

02:07:15

And, you know, that's OK. That's all right. But I'm finding out, you know, the limits of, you know, of things and how to deal with stuff.

02:07:25

So, you know, it's just I have more sympathy for caretakers now, but she is just poor girl.

02:07:34

Matt, that's so horrible. Sorry, brother. It is. And it's it's hard on her. Yeah, it's hard, man.

02:07:41

I don't know. She's you know, she she just said today she goes, this is a new norm for me.

02:07:47

Wow. You know, it's just she's cracking ribs and her back is hurting so much she can't do much and she's losing weight.

02:07:58

And and there's other ramifications and stuff to all of it, but I won't say publicly, but we can talk privately sometime.

02:08:06

But, yeah. Sorry. It's just a poor woman, you know, and she has stupid as husband does.

02:08:17

So there's there's some problems there. Yeah. Well, at least she's not alone in that one.

02:08:27

Yeah. Sorry, man. That's what it is, man. Yeah. All right. God bless, man.

02:08:34

Well, bless you, Matt. We'll talk soon. All right. We'll talk later. God bless you. OK, bye. Bye. Oh, bye.

02:08:42

All right. Hey, folks, that was Trevor. He's a friend of mine and a great guy and loves the

02:08:48

Lord and just, you know, a great guy. And so he's got some interesting insights there on Catholicism stuff.

02:08:55

So I'm looking forward to checking it out. I really am. All right. Anybody have any comments or questions before I take off?

02:09:08

Well, hey, Lord willing, I'll catch you tomorrow on your live show. Yeah.

02:09:13

All right. Well, good. I think it's kind of time to go. I'm going to spend time with my wife. See how she's doing.

02:09:19

I got to spend more time with her. She's had a rough day today. So everybody, I'm going to bail on the room. And I had a good time.

02:09:26

I'm glad people showed up. It was a good bunch of good conversations we had. May the Lord bless you. And we'll just talk to you all later.