Roman Catholic Group Discussion, 1/7/2019

All right, oh, look at that little rip right there. Older shirt, comfortable. Been working. All right, so what I've done is open up a room, kind of spontaneously, but not. There we go. So what I'm doing is opening up this room because the Roman Catholics, hold on one sec.

You okay? No? Checking my wife, she just came through. So I said earlier today that I'd probably open up a room, may open up a room with the Roman Catholics if they wanted to have a chat. This is in the Facebook page, is Roman Catholicism true?

And I generally don't expect them to participate, but I, you know, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but have a discussion on the validity of Roman Catholicism or if they want to attack the validity of Protestantism, that's fine, that doesn't bother me any.

I'd be glad to have a discussion with them. If people want to participate, there's the links there. If they don't want to participate, well then after, you know, 10, 15 minutes, if no one shows up, maybe I'll just bail.

But I'm getting into the room, at least for people to watch, they could type some stuff in and then maybe I could comment that way. We'll see, how much for the, okay. So there you have it, I've got 11 viewers right now and I've got, actually I've got three monitors, one right here, one right there and one right there.

And so that's why I look around different screens like that, you'll see different angles. So Nancy Smith is watching, Ivan seems to be, I guess, and Steve Parks says this should be good. Let's see if any Catholics show up, but I don't know, you know.

Hello from Indiana, hey, welcome. And we have this, this room right here. Now what I'm doing on the Google Hangout is I can look at where people are watching and they can type things in and then they can also come in with a big URL to participate, they would come in and they would come into this room and then I'd be able to have a dialogue with them, they'd be able to talk if they have a microphone and we'd have an interaction.

So, you know, I did say I might do it, I wasn't kind of feeling all that well today, so I didn't know if I was gonna do it or not. I thought my back started to hurt, I have a bad back, so I was cleaning up in the video room and thought I would just come in here for a little bit and if it doesn't work out here, I'll go to Discord because I've kind of been challenged to some debates, I accepted some debate stuff for the Trinity, on the Trinity and stuff like that.

And I usually go in and debate with atheists on various topics, evolution, logic, things like that. So, ah, there we go. So like I said, nobody is showing up yet to participate. Now, what I could do is I could just start reading some stuff about Catholicism, I could just start doing a monologue.

You're a Roman Catholic Greek Orthodox Christian, don't even know how that works, but you're welcome to ask a question or whatever you wanna do or come into the participation room. Let me move this over here.

And I'm gonna, what I'm gonna do is go to the CARM site. I'm gonna just read some stuff here and talk about Roman Catholicism. And as you guys know, I believe it's completely false that if you believe, I should clarify, not completely because it does it from the Trinity and the deity of Christ and things like that, which is good.

But it has been so corrupted over the years that, well, it just doesn't preach the true gospel anymore. In fact, on the, excuse me here, I got a little something in my eye. On the Facebook page, is Roman Catholicism true?

The Roman Catholics have been coming out more and more attacking Protestants, calling it a cult, okay, whatever. My request is show me from scripture. I'm gonna read a little bit here. I made a comment earlier, put a video up because I was listening last night.

I had to go get something and do some couple of errands, like some of my eye. And I listened to the local Roman Catholic station this morning or last night, I should say. And I got home and I talked to my wife about it.

And I said, look, you know, they were talking, these two priests about racism, which of course, you know, I'm against. And they talked about how, anyway, how the Catholic church could help and that people needed to come and trust in the church and that the church had the solution.

And I was listening and I didn't hear them mention Jesus once, two priests talking for about 15 minutes. That's all I heard, doing errands. And I was in and out of the car. I didn't hear them mention Jesus once.

And I know why. Because Jesus says in Matthew 12, 34, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. And so what they were bearing witness of was not Christ, but the church, the authority of the church, the ability of the church, the sacraments of the church, forgiveness found in the church.

Yeah, it's just, to me, I find it just to be ludicrous. I mean, I would love to be in the room with those two priests and say, what are you guys thinking? Why do you point to the church and not Jesus?

We are pointing to Jesus by pointing to the church. That's how they think. They are so brainwashed. The Roman Catholic church is so false. Man, it's amazing. Yeah, that's right, Daryl. The Roman Catholics often appeal to church history.

Well, the problem with church history is, I don't know how, you could see back on the shelves back here, let's just say that this, let's say, no, that this shelf right here, all right, this shelf, here we go, this right here, let's say these shelves were full of the books of the church fathers.

They could take about that many books. I mean, they're just, all the church fathers, they said, well, there's a lot of church fathers' writings, a lot, and to see in Post-Nicene church fathers, and they say all kinds of things.

Well, if you've got that much material right there, you can go through and find out various quotes and say, see, they taught what we believe. Maybe in that book right there, they might've taught on one of the pages inside of that book right there, something that the Catholic church says, see, the church taught what we taught, the church fathers taught what we taught.

It's that kind of mentality, it's a problem. And yes, I would like to know how you feel about Catholic relevant radio and Catholic answers. Oh, Catholic answers, I think it was the radio show I called up.

Someone asked me about this. This is about five years ago, maybe more, I don't know, but I called up, I had a question for him, and I remember where I was on the freeway here, and they put me on hold.

I had my Bluetooth and the whole bit and I was driving, and I was told what I could do by the screener. I could not argue, I could not raise a counterpoint, I could only ask my question, and then they would put me on hold and silence me, and then they would answer, and then I was not allowed to come back and combat them.

And so I've said, really, this is what, are you serious? So I got on their show and I asked the question, and immediately I was, wait, and I go, and they said something, I'm like, but wait a minute, and they cut me off so that I couldn't respond to them.

On my radio show, Catholics will call up and let's argue, let's talk, you disagree, let's do it, what's your point, let's go. What is it about them that they're so stinking afraid that they have to control how the conversation goes, you have to control how the questions go, you know why?

Because it's about the church, it's about elevating the church. And one of the programs, some of the guys will say, they'll get a convert from Protestantism to the church, I thought they say, they say from the Protestantism to the church, you come home to the church, it's just, they're so stinking blind, they're so stinking blind, come home to the church, you have to join with the church, the church has the authority, the church replaces Jesus in Catholicism.

Hey Matt, by any chance you remember that atheist group, the Rational Response Squad, yeah, man, they were so bad at arguing, you've got that right. I didn't tell the story about that, but you know, I had whatever on my radio lady, it didn't go well for her.

Isn't the Paul, isn't the Paul that Catholics say founded their church is not the Apostle Paul? I'm not sure what you mean by that, the church is nothing without Jesus. So see, now the church is nothing without Jesus, and I don't know if Pixel Dust here is a Catholic or not, because they'll say the kind of thing, they'll say the church is nothing without Jesus, we've talked about Jesus, that's why they say, did you come home to the church?

He didn't say, did you trust in Christ? Have you received Christ as your savior? No, have you trusted in the church? I just hate it. Yeah, their church is their God. Now, how come nobody's here in the participation room?

Are you guys afraid of me? I think the Catholics are afraid of me. I don't think the Catholics wanna get in here and mix it up with me. I think that's a problem for them, I think they don't wanna be asked difficult questions.

Now remember, on Saturday, was it? I had a discussion with an Eastern Orthodox guy for two hours, was it Thursday night, that's right. And some of the guys like Clint Dempsey on whatever, he says, he's gonna destroy you.

I don't think it went well for him, that's my opinion. Acts 7, 48, however, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands, as the prophet says. That's right, Jesus is on the outside of the Catholic church knocking on the door, asking to come in.

They don't want him to come in, because they already have their God on their throne. It's not Jesus. The world has been waiting for Matt Schlick all those years to clarify these matters. Oh, John, why the mockery?

Look at this, folks, this is mockery. It's what John's doing. See, I'm attacking the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church and its problems, and you just start with mockery? Is that how it works? Is that what your church teaches you, mockery?

Hmm? Hey, I'm gonna read you some scriptures, all right? Here we go. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned, as it were, with salt, so that you may know how you should respond to each person. Verse six, see, basic, you know, that's all.

Matt, call into Catholic answers and debate. I can't call into Catholic answers and debate. I just told you, John, last time I called in, they controlled the conversation so that I couldn't have a discussion.

Can you get Leighton Flowers on and ask him to explain propitiation to a traditionalist view? This is about Catholicism, folks. Yeah, I'd talk to Flowers again if he wants, but he was after me, after me, after me to have a discussion.

After our last discussion, he's not been after me anymore. He hasn't, he's not sought out to try and refute me anymore. I'd be glad to have a debate with him, a formal debate. Anything on the sign of the cross that Catholics make?

Hey, is there anything to the sign of the cross? Yeah, it's just superstition, you know, I'm a chubby guy. It's just superstition, that's all. So still, nobody's in the participation room. I could go over to Discord and discuss things there.

There's some good interactions there. I don't like doing monologues. Maybe I'll read some, okay, I know what I'll do. I'll read some Catholic stuff. Yeah, I'll get to enter for the day. Let's see, how about this?

What I believe is the strongest argument for Catholicism? The strongest argument for, let me see if I can entertain that question. What would be the strongest argument for? I couldn't say tradition because they contradict each other, that wouldn't work.

I couldn't say it because they claim to be the original church because that's just an opinion. And even if it was, which I don't believe it is, so what, that doesn't prove anything. I don't think there is any strongest argument.

You couldn't go to the scriptures because the Bible doesn't say. I think maybe the best thing they might have is to say that the authority is given to the disciples, but it doesn't say it was given to the descendants of the disciples.

Oh, so you watched that, Jesus' word, when I was talking to him, Layton Flowers? So funny watching, yeah, that was ridiculous what he was doing. There's no, there is no strong argument, I'm serious. I don't know of any strong argument for Catholicism.

Come on, Catholics, give me a call or come on into the room here, I should say. You know, let's just talk, all right? Let's, come on. I don't see how the Catholic church could be the original church when the book of Acts recorded the original church in Jerusalem, just a thought.

Hey, good point, that's right. The Jerusalem council, which says, don't eat blood. What do Catholics do? Blood. You're the true church, that's right. I think Catholics are afraid to come in because if we have a discussion, they know I'll just ask them about scripture.

They don't wanna do that. And if they talk about tradition, you gonna show me something? My wife's laughing, looking at her phone, hold on. Oh, okay, let me see. Okay, I gotta watch this folks, hold on.

This is my wife's phone. A very good friend of ours, long story, just had a baby. This is a very good friend we've known for years and years and they just had a baby and they just put the video up just now and had a baby.

I love babies, all right. I don't see how they're gonna do it in Jerusalem. That's a good point, Steve. I don't wanna look into that, it's just a good point. I always learn something from people I'm talking to.

There's always a little something that someone will say, wait a minute, what about that? What about this? That reminds me, you know that in Matthew, let's see. Yeah, I won't get into that. Let me just read some stuff here.

How about if I read some stuff from Catholicism? What do you think? Think it'd be interesting? Got a link from you, Matt? Oh, hey, Charlie. It just go to the Facebook page, but oh, wait. I'll email it to you like I normally do, okay.

It'll be there for a little bit and see if people come in and if they don't, we'll see what happens. Catholic Talk 172019 and Charlie. Charlie's a good friend of mine, known him for 38, 39 years probably.

All right, so he'll be in a little bit and he helps moderate. People come in, they're just twits. But the Catholics, what they'll say is, I'm not gonna come in there because Matt'll just control it. He'll just mute people.

And then what they do is they point to the discussion I had with Richard Akins three, four weeks ago after two and a half hours of trying to get him to answer questions. They kept interrupting. I finally said, look, answer the questions and they wouldn't.

And then all the Catholics do is go to that part. I think one guy said, start at two hours and 27 minutes. Then you'll see. I'm laughing, are you kidding me? See how Matt controls it? Go to two hours and 27 minutes to see.

I'm laughing, it is so ridiculous. Catholics couldn't think the way of a white paper bag. All right, okay, okay. Now, how about this? This is really good. Did you know, according to paragraph 85 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the task of giving an authentic interpretation of the word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the church alone.

Notice the church, notice authorities in the church. It's authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. So they just claim that by the name of Jesus Christ. And also paragraph 88 says the church's magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ.

The church has the authority, not Jesus, but the church. But I would not believe in the gospel had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me. Paragraph 119, did you hear that? I mean, isn't that amazing?

Maybe I can put some of these quotes in the chat room there. Let me see if I can get this going back up here. Come on, no, not that one. Hold on, folks, I got all these windows open. Here we go. That's really good, you know?

I like this one. Man, do you believe this is the strongest argument against Catholicism? The Bible. So, see, look at that. I would not believe in the gospel had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.

Wow. Let's see, how about this one? This is paragraph 816. For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained.

Oh, it had 200 character limit, didn't go through? Oh yeah, it does have a 200. So that's paragraph 816 right here. Let's just put this right here so you guys, maybe Charlie can start doing it. I'd got to keep him busy, wouldn't it?

There we go, that works. Ah, the Roman Catholic Church and its great authority. Yeah, salvation's in the church, right? I don't buy that for a second. Let's see now. Catholic authority. You know what?

Catholics aren't gonna participate. What I wanna do is, yeah, I know, John 20. Yeah, we can look at John 20 if you want later. So here's the thing. You know, I started thinking about this authority thing from the Roman Catholic Church.

Now check this out, okay? I've already read some of the things where it says it has the authority, authority, authority. Now Jesus demonstrated, now check this out. This is Luke 5, 24 through 25. Now if I put this in two parts here, there we go.

Notice what it says here. But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on the earth to forgive sins. He said to the paralytic, I say to you, get up and pick up your stretcher and go home.

Immediately he got up before them and picked up what he had been lying on and went home glorifying God. So, you know, you can see right there that to demonstrate his authority, Jesus performed a miracle by command, just right there.

I mean, that's pretty easy, right? Pretty easy to understand. All right, now check this out. Jesus summoned his 12 disciples. How many did he summon? 12 disciples, okay? And gave them authority over unclean spirits.

Does that mean all the disciples, the descendants of the disciples, the apostles throughout history now have the authority? Is that what that means? Who did he give the authority to? He gave it to the 12 disciples.

Gave them authority over unclean spirits to cast them out, to heal every kind of disease, every kind of sickness, heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely, you received, freely give.

Wait a minute, freely you received, freely give? The Roman Catholic Church does not freely give, not at all. Penance, indulgences, purgatory, that's not freely give. You have to go to the Roman Catholic Church, say your Hail Marys, your penance, do your stuff, and then you have to go participate through certain things and then you get it.

The Catholic Church owns you. The Catholic Church owns you, it does. Now, did the apostles exercise Christ's authority? These disciples who are the apostles, did they do that? Yeah, they did, all right?

And in fact, Charlie, this is in the admin room. You go, oh man, look at that. How come that didn't work? There we go, that's what we're doing. If you wanna go ahead and you can look. Jesus raised the dead on command and he came up and touched the coffin and the bears came to a halt.

And he said, young man, I say to you, arise. The dead man sat up and began to speak and Jesus gave him back his mother. And also, that's here, let me see if I can, it won't be there. Yeah, a friend of ours, Ryan had a baby, a friend of ours.

Just today, tonight. All right, now, check this out, folks. Hope that's, let's see. Let's see, do this. Peter raised the dead on command. Look at this, but Peter sent them all out, knelt down and prayed and turned him to the body, said, Tabitha, arise, and she opened her eyes.

Now, there's the authority, right? Did the Catholic priests do that? Did they do that? Peter healed on command. Peter said to them, Ananias, Jesus Christ heals you. Get up and make your bed immediately, he got up.

Okay, this Catholic authority is what I'm showing you, right, they say they have authority. How was the authority exercised? Well, Peter did it on command, didn't he? On command. And I don't see the Catholic priest doing it on command, do you?

Look at this, Acts 14, eight through 10. At Lystra, a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked. This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he fixed his gaze upon him and had seen that he had faith to be made well, said with a loud voice, stand up on your feet, or stand up right on your feet.

He leapt up and began to walk. Now, notice, Peter, this is supposed to be the first pope. This is the authority that he exercised. Why is it the popes now can't do it if they have the same authority as Peter?

Jesus said, this is the key, said earlier, so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority to forgive sins, et cetera. Pick up your pallet, go up and walk, go. He gave the authority to the disciples.

And here, what we see is that the lack of the ability of the Roman Catholic Church to do what the apostles said it is to do. They can't do the same thing. They claim they have the authority of the church, the authority of Christ.

Really? Let's see it. Jesus demonstrated his authority by the miracle. Peter was able to demonstrate his authority. Paul was able to demonstrate his authority by command, just to say things. Let's see the Roman Catholic priests do this.

Let's see the Roman Catholic magisterium do it. Let's see the pope do it. The pope was supposed to be in the seat of Peter. Let's see him do it. Now, the Catholic Church claims they have the authority of Christ from the apostles, down to the apostles, but can the pope and the bishops do what Jesus and the apostles did?

They can't. So how is it that we're supposed to believe that they have the authority of Christ? That's what I wanna know. How do we know that the Catholic Church has that authority? It says it has the authority, and what's it based on?

Because we're the descendants, that's why. We're the descendants. We have the apostolic line. That's why we have the authority. Can you prove that you have the authority? No, we just say we do. That's all it is.

Just trust us. We have the authority. How do you know? Because we say we do. How do you know? Because we're the lineage from the apostles. Really? Show me that in scripture. Okay. See, you give the disciples the authority.

How many disciples did he give the authority to? 12. Can you continue and explain on things? You see, it just doesn't go well for them. Let's see. So now what do you wanna talk about? I got more. I can talk more about Roman Catholicism.

Well, then no one has the authority to make dogmatic claims. What? Yeah, Jesus does. He makes dogmatic claims. And we can make a dogmatic claim when we agree with scripture. Because if the Bible says it, then we can do it.

I mean, we can just proclaim it. For example, Jesus said in John 14, six, no man comes to the Father but through Jesus, through him. So that means then it is dogmatic. We can say it for sure. Not a problem, is it?

So if you're a Roman Catholic, John Everett Button, which I think you are, maybe you could try and defend Catholicism. Maybe you can do that. Maybe, I don't know. You can explain why it's true. What happens when people disagree with what Jesus said?

If they disagree with what Jesus said, they would be wrong. And what do you mean by what happens? Do they levitate? Do they go to sleep? What do you mean what happens? So, okay. I'm looking on the post here.

You mean God may not have elected me? Yes, precisely. But I still love you too. Yeah. See, they mock what they don't understand. That's what Catholics do a lot. They mock God's election. When the Bible says he chooses us for salvation, 2 Thessalonians 2 .13, that's what election is.

And then they mock it. Man, you love the live stuff, huh? Good. All right, maybe what I'll do is continue to read through some of the catechism stuff. Now, folks, what I'm gonna do is read something here, and I'll put it in here.

Okay? Because it'll be interesting. Here we go. And we'll do this one. Here we go. I got it. The word, this is out of the Catholic Catechism, paragraph 460, the word became flesh to make us partakers of the divine nature, for this is why the word became man.

And the son of God became the son of man, so that man, by entering into communion with the word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God. For the son of God became man, so that they, excuse me, so that we might become God.

The only begotten son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he made man, might make men gods. Now, here's the thing. I'll show you something. A lot of people say that I take things out of context.

So what I'm gonna do is go to, one of my favorite sites in doing research on Catholicism. And I'll put a link in for all of you, as soon as this works, there we go. And I'm gonna go to paragraph 460. And I'll put this link in.

And you guys can then, there we go. You guys can check it out. So, what you have to do, I'll put it in the complete context of the URL. And you guys, well, it's really slow. And what you can do is you can go check it out for yourself.

Okay. Yep, there we go, that's right. So, I'm gonna do this whole thing, enter the catechism at that point. Okay, I'm waiting for it to do this. Come on. And then what I'll do is I'll put the URL in, you guys can click on your own, and you can read the whole catechism in its context and see if I'm taking it out of context.

Here it goes, ready? Okay. Now, if you were to put that link into a browser, and if you were to, hopefully it's not too short that you can still do it, you can go in and you can read. And you know what's really interesting about this?

Nothing before or after in the catechism says they don't really think you're becoming gods. Why is it they don't clarify? Why is it the Roman Catholic Church does not clarify that no, we're not really teaching you actually become God.

We don't become a god. They don't clarify before or after. You know, when you exalt man, deification occurs, one way or another. Oh, Brother Diamond, hey, come on in, buddy. If it's you, come on in. Come on into the real thing, okay?

Here's, I'll give you the link. Come on in. See, there it is. Copy that. Come on in. You gotta be polite now. You can't be mean, okay? Let's see if he shows up. And if you're not sure about it, type in your email address and I will email it to you.

Not a problem. Give him some time. And I think he's a sette, a settevacantist. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. Yeah, one of my favorite things to talk about in Catholicism is Mary. I love talking about Mary because of the things that they say.

Let's see. Nope, hold on a sec. Here we go. All right. The Holy Spirit prepared Mary by his grace. It was fitting that the mother of him in whom the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily should herself be full of grace.

Okay, notice it says full of grace, right? Now, what I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do is this. I'm going to, in my Bible program, I'm going to type in the phrase full of grace. And it actually uses the phrase, full of grace.

And it uses the phrase in a couple places. Okay, look, you said, you just said, why are you afraid to debate me? I immediately, immediately provided a URL for you to come in and then you back out. And you say, this is how I want you to do it.

You had an opportunity and everybody here can see that you're the one backing out. I immediately provided an address for you to come on in. And now you don't wanna do it. Okay, fine, don't do it. Fine.

So full of grace. Okay, where's the mouse? Okay, here we go. Now, check this out, folks. John 1, 14, this is talking about, watch this. John 1, 14. Notice what it says here. And the word became flesh and dwelt among us and we saw his glory.

Glories of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. That's what it says. Now, I'm gonna look at the Greek, all right? Real easy to do, my program, I got a great program here. Now, if you guys are enjoying me doing this in the YouTube room there, then what you can do is say, yeah, I'm enjoying this.

Keep going, okay? If not, I got other people I can debate and teach. Okay, so I wanna hear some feedback. See if you guys are enjoying this. Now, what it says in the Greek, full of grace, the word for full, literally, is the word plades.

Okay, plades, that's what it says. Or plades, but plades, that's what it says. And it means to be full or to complete. And grace, right, is keritas. So we have plades keritas, that's what we have, okay?

Now, this is what the phrase is, plades keritas, okay? That is full of grace in Greek. And it occurs there in John 1, 14. Now, watch this, watch this, folks. I'm gonna go to Acts 6, 8, okay? This is what it says in Acts 6, 8, okay?

Now, watch this, Acts 6, 8. Okay, people like it, okay? As Stephen, full of grace and power was performing the great work. Now, wait a minute, how can Stephen be full of grace? You know, you watch this, folks.

So what is the phrase in Greek, full of grace? It is this phrase, misspelled the last one. Here we go, plades, oh, I misdid it. John, get him in here, get him in here. Now, just listen now. And no problem, look, you guys can always, what Catholics like to do is say, back then, no, no, no.

If he wants to have a discussion, that's fine. I'm just showing you what the Greek says, guys. So that's what it says, full of grace is in reference to Jesus, and full of grace is in reference to Stephen.

Now, it does say full of grace. Let's go to Luke 1, 28. And it says this in the Greek, in Luke 1, 28, when Elizabeth says to Mary, greetings, favored one, the Lord is with you. What is the, what's the word?

Kakarotomene, it's the word. Now, here we go. This word, the Strong's Concordance is 5487. So here, I'm gonna do this, is do a search for the Greek word, 5487. Every single occurrence occurs twice, all right?

Luke 1, 28, which is this verse right here. I'll post it in, there we go. Someone beat me to it? That's fine, you guys wanna put verses in. Okay, kakarotomene, right, there you go. Now, and the other one is in Ephesians 1, 6.

How about that? And this is what Ephesians 1, 6 says. To the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us and the beloved. And it's from the same Greek word, karitao, freely. So many ways, as you'd like to say, St. Janet's like to say, I mean, like to say there's many ways to say it, really, but it doesn't say it the way it said about Jesus, doesn't say it the way it said it was about Stephen.

Now, here's the thing. If Stephen is full of grace, but Mary's full of grace, which is why she's sinless, then why is it Stephen full of grace, sinless also? And it says full of grace. Basic stuff, there we go, there you go.

Thanks, man, Charlie's awesome. So, oh, something in my eye. So isn't that interesting stuff? I mean, the Catholics just, you know, there's always a little bit of something that you go, wait a minute, that's not, that's not right, you know?

All right, all right, let's see what else. How about this one? This one's good too. All right, by asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the mother of mercy, the all holy one.

Brother Diamond, I'm accepting it, come in right now. Right now, Brother Diamond, I'm accepting it. Come in right now and talk with me, right now. What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? See, I don't, here, let me tell you something, Brother Diamond, Mr. Diamond, whatever, is your friends, your, I'm gonna call them cronies, what they've been doing is trying to bully me.

You gotta do it, you chicken, you this. I don't respond to bullies, you see. And because they have been so consistently rude, they say, no, no, no, you arrange it. And then they say, no, it's up to me.

No, they wanna do it, they need to arrange it. When I debate atheists, we have a third party that usually arranges it. That's how it works. And here you are, and I'm saying, come in right now and have a discussion.

Right now, what's wrong? But I'll tell you, if you wanna debate later on on a particular topic that we have an agreement on, I'll have more time to prep for it. I don't have any time, you're a Sedefacantist.

I don't know Sedefacantism very well. This should work out well for you. So anyway, so wait a minute, now how is Mary the all holy one? Now here, that's interesting, because what that reminds me of is this.

This is what the Bible says here. It says, Mary was chosen by God to bear Jesus because she was free from sin. Oh, she was? How do you know she's free from sin? Where does it say that in the Bible? Now, God says, she'll be holy for I am holy.

So God is holy. Would you say holiness is an attribute of God's existence? I'd say yes, I would. How is Jesus, excuse me, how is Mary all holy? Oh, I could just, can we say idolatry? I can, ready? Idolatry.

Let's see. I like this one too. This is a good one too. Like, you know, you guys can read this on my site, but I'm just commenting on just various things. Here we go. Mary is second to Eve. What, did you guys get all that?

Did, yeah, no, did you? I can do it again. Oh yeah, I did. Okay, good. It was she, the second to Eve, who free from all sin, original or personal, and always more intimately united with her son, offered him on Golgotha to the eternal father for the children of Adam.