August 18, 2021 Show with Roger Salter on “Augustinian John Colet (1467-1519)”

The Program’s Opening and the Host’s Personal Loss

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Good afternoon. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. Speaking to you today with a much more somber and sorrowful voice because I just learned this morning that my oldest brother John, 76 years of age, passed into eternity, and many of you have been praying for him.

He had been battling critical stage emphysema for quite some time with a more recent diagnosis of cancer and then complicated by pneumonia and COVID. And one of his daughters was with him, Regina, and said that he was very comfortable and relaxed when he departed from this earth, and he is survived by his wife, Jan, his two daughters, Regina and Patrice, his two sons, Eric and JJ, and his siblings, Andrew, Mary, Bob, and myself.

I would ask that you pray for our family during this season of very deep mourning for our brother. Pray for me as I not only am entering into a season of deep sadness over this, but there's also a bit of frustration involved since I missed two telephone calls from my brother yesterday, which were likely calls he intended to use to say goodbye to me.

There was a malfunction on my cell phone, and I did not hear the phone ringing, and when I tried to call him back, he did not answer. So, please pray that I am constantly reminded of my own proclamation and heartfelt belief in the sovereignty of God over all things, including the passing of my brother and including that mishap with the telephone and missing what would have been my final conversation with him.

I do have reason for great hope that he is with his Savior. As I read during a program a number of weeks ago, my brother John wrote to me these exact words back in July. I pray the three prayers I know, Chris, plus have a short talk with God, ask for his forgiveness of my sins, admit my frailties to him, and dedicate my life day and night to him every morning.

I ask him if today is the day he takes me, to take me into his arms and into his kingdom so that I can worship him in wondrous glory for eternity. I do this above every day. Well, this was the morning.

Today was the morning that God did call him home, and I am choosing to believe that our Lord answered my brother's prayer, that he did take my brother John into his arms and into his kingdom, where he is worshiping him at this very moment in wondrous glory for eternity.

Thank you for your prayers, and pray for his wife Jan, who is in the hospital with pneumonia and COVID, and pray that a revival breaks out in my family, bringing those who do not yet know Christ to a saving knowledge of him.

One of the reasons I decided to do the show today and not take the day off in the midst of this very sad news is that I wanted to do this program in tribute to my brother John, and I believe that it was important to think about heavenly things today in the midst of my grief, and that I might even perhaps be a more useful tool in the state that I am in to be Christ-focused and to use this program, by God's grace and mercy, to draw my listeners into a deeper understanding of the King of Kings.

And it is my honor and privilege today to do that today on this Wednesday, August 16th, 2021. I'm sorry, that's the wrong date. I'm looking at a different program. Today is Wednesday, I believe. What's the date, Roger?

Yes, Wednesday, August 18th, 2021. Sorry for the mishap there, folks. I am so delighted to have Roger Salter on the program. I can't think of a better guest to have on the program with me today. I was touched deeply by a video that Roger's son Alex sent me weeks ago of Roger praying at a worship service at St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, for my brother John.

And I am forever grateful for his friendship and for his prayers and his compassion, along with his precious wife Maureen, two very dear saints of God. Today, Roger is going to be discussing, introducing John Collett, who lived 1467 to 1519.

He was the dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in London, an Augustinian theologian on the fringe of the Reformation. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Truck and Zion Radio, my dear friend, Roger Salter.

Thank you, Chris.

And in fact, even his demeanor appeared to change in the things that he wrote to me. John very rarely over the last year spoke with me because he was too weak to speak most of the time because of the chemo and radiation and because of the illness itself, especially the critical stage emphysema.

But in his writings to me, he appeared to have a change of demeanor in that he seemed to be truly much more at peace, where his words to me prior to that were more filled with fear. That seemed to dissipate.

It seemed to vanish, actually. And he no longer wrote words of fear to me. So I am trusting, as you said, in that God provided me a gift of hearing or reading that profession. And I trust he is with him.

John Collett, the Reformation, and Rome’s Response

Why don't you, for the sake of those who are hearing this program for the very first time, why don't you tell our listeners something about St. Matthew's Anglican Church of Birmingham, Alabama?

Well, if anybody wants more information about this wonderful church, the websites, they have two of them.

First, you can go to stmanglican .weebly .com. That's STM, which is an abbreviation of St. Matthew's. Anglican .weebly .com. And you can also go to rogersalter .com. And that's rogersalter .com. Well, when you told me, brother, that you wanted to discuss John Collett, this 15th and 16th century figure from history, as I said before, he was the dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in London, an Augustinian theologian on the fringe of the Reformation.

I must confess I had never heard of him before. But why don't you tell us how you first learned of John Collett, and why there was a burden on your heart to discuss his life and legacy today with our audience?

Could you repeat that last thing that you said, brother? Yes. He is basically someone who you are confident embraced the biblical gospel of the Reformation.

That would be later championed during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century.

I think that's very much the case.

At this time in history, which was not long before the spark that ignited the Protestant Reformation, he passed into glory with Christ two years after Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Catholic Church of Wittenberg.

During this time, because the Council of Trent had not yet convened to officially declare as damnable heresy those precious things that the Reformers believed, because the Council of Trent, as you know full well, was a counter-Reformation effort to officially and dogmatically condemn what the Reformers believed, especially in regard to the gospel.

But what was the Catholic Church's attitude towards Collett at this time? Were his words well known enough that any kind of negative feedback was received by him from those that were holding on to the damnable heresies of Rome regarding the gospel, regarding the fact that men need to, in part, earn their justification, and that Mary and the saints have also contributed to the merit that everyone needs, according to Rome, to enter into heaven?

What was their response to him? And I'll have you answer that when we come back, because we have to go to our first break right now.

Okay, Chris.

If anybody would like to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail dot com. Chrisarnson at gmail dot com. Please give us your first name, at least, as always, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Let's say you are a Roman Catholic and you're starting to question your faith. You're starting to learn from those that believe in the gospel of the Reformation, which we believe is the biblical gospel, of course.

You don't want to publicly identify yourself. Well, we can understand that would be a reason why you might feel compelled to remain anonymous. But if it's just a general question on John Collett, a general question on church history, on anything in the scriptures, on the gospel itself, any general question, I would ask of you to please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

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John Collett’s Theology and Reformation Influence

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And we are discussing the theme, Introducing John Collett, 1467 -1519, Dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in London, Augustinian theologian on the fringe of the Reformation. Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Before the break, Roger, I asked you what kind of feedback, if any, especially in a negative sense to start with, and then I want to hear the positive feedback, of course. But what was the negative feedback specifically from authorities in the Church of Rome, if any, when they began to hear something unfamiliar from the lips and perhaps writing of John Collett?

Let's hear in a positive sense how people were receiving the various messages,.

And be as specific as you want with what messages were gaining favor in the hearts of his hearers. And were they recognizing these things as truths they had not previously heard? Did they recognize that some of them were not in alignment with the typical works, righteousness, understanding of salvation that Rome was offering?

Yes, I mean, I think they were.

One of the things that we could immediately learn from this is that Christians have to be very cautious about not being too quick to dismiss everyone prior to the Reformation as not being worthy of reading and learning about.

Of course, great caution must be used, but we have to be very careful about not automatically condemning those that might even be in the Catholic Church now, but don't necessarily trust in the false gospel that is dogmatically defined by Rome.

I'm sure that if you were to ask my brother, John, who entered into eternity this morning, if you were to ask him, are you a member of the Catholic Church, before he closed his eyes for the final time, I am quite certain he would have said yes.

But that does not mean that he was trusting in the false gospel of Rome. Am I making sense here?

Absolutely, Chris. I mean, I think that...

...inform us about John Collett, that so drew you to him, to create within you a great admiration for him, and even much so to the point that you wanted to highlight him on today's interview.

I think it was the...

Oh, you know something, I'm sorry, I just recognized that we have to go to our midway break, so hold on.

Oh, okay.

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