Leightonism part 2 FIXED! !!

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misfits.

A misfit in the trailer park at night.

A misprint with the six cents.

Been sick ever since my brother died of an OD.

My two cents never made sense.

Either to me or anyone else inside of the sheet fence.

My 9th Smith on my right side.

Why you staring at your cop.

Dot sign.

And my John Hancock on the dotted line.

Tell me what's the bottom line.

The bottom line is I'm not right.

I'm not left but this elephant won't fight.

There's nothing left but the spotlight.

Hold it.

You can say what you want but you won't around

me.

What you.

I'm.

Wits in the deep end.

And I can't find my assigned seat to sit in.

My theology don't fit in.

Black sheep of the reformation sheep pen.

To the reformed.

I'm just another Baptist.

Baptized again the bastard child of Anabaptist.

Posted child of reformation society.

We don't need your education.

Give me a Bible.

And a bookshelf of dead men.

Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans.

Bow ties, tattoos, and bearded men.

Making reformation great again.

You can say what you want.

What you want.

But you won't around me.

Alright ladies and gentlemen welcome to Open Air Theology.

This is a show about theology.

We're just some street preachers getting together.

And to have a good time.

Have a conversation.

We want to welcome everyone who's able to meet with us tonight.

And also those who will see this later.

My name is Jeff.

I am one of the pastor elders of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church In Tallahoma, Tennessee.

If you're ever in Tallahoma and you don't come by and check me out.

Throw on some hate.

Throw on some shade.

And we'll pass it over to my brother Brayden.

Yeah, Brayden Patterson.

I am one of the two pastors of Valley Baptist Church In Southern Idaho in Hagerman.

Just sitting here outside enjoying my Olipop.

Somebody already commented.

Isn't that like $2 .50 a can.

I don't know.

My wife bought it.

She got it on a deal.

I think I really hope it's not $2 .50.

That's too much for a soda can.

I'm also the.

I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon.

It'd be a blessing if you went and checked out that.

And it's just a real blessing to be able to be chatting with these brothers.

Here on Open Air Theology.

I'll pass the mic down now.

Hey everybody, my name is Tom Shepard And I'm a member of Grace Bible Church in Burney, Texas.

It's just about 20 miles north of San Antonio.

I'm a co -host here with these guys And also the host of Even If None Reformed

Evangelism Podcast.

So I'm glad to be here as well.

Sweet man.

It's good to see y 'all's faces.

Good day of worshipping the Lord.

I know we like to begin this by Talking about how our Lord's Day went.

I told y 'all earlier.

Today I kind of felt off.

I feel like I've been flowing really good.

The last few weeks in my preaching.

But even before I started preaching today I just felt off.

I understand that we are in a spiritual battle.

Constantly, right?

And I would say especially for pastors I just want to encourage people out there.

To be praying for your pastors.

Listen, especially while they're in the pulpit.

My Lord's Day was good.

We got to worship with the fellow saints.

But I just felt like I was off today.

I haven't went back and listened to my message yet.

I'll do that tomorrow.

But I kind of feel like I dropped the ball.

To be honest with you.

Am I breaking up still?

Is my internet acting up a little?

No, you sound good.

You're loud.

But that's normal.

Let me turn down my thing here.

You're running hot, son.

Put some water in that thing.

Hold on, here we go.

So my wife just said that I have a typo.

I said het wife instead of hey wife.

So she usually has to edit everything for me.

Otherwise it's butchered.

I got one of those too.

Yeah, that's good.

It's good to have those.

They're our helper for our spelling issues.

Yeah, for sure.

So how was your Lord's Day?

Man, it was really good.

Michael Beck was preaching today in Romans 13.

He's been in Romans forever.

We started off talking about Romans 13 And how Paul was giving us

orders or command To obey every ordinance of man.

That God has spheres of authority That he's commanded.

And one of them is civil authority, government authority.

Some are in the church Some are in the family.

And then there's also conscious issues Conscience issues.

So today was the exceptions of when not to obey The government when they step

outside their lines.

So it was really good.

Everybody was waiting on that.

But even better was our evangelism ministry That we've been heading up

lately.

We recently had a sign up And over 20 people have signed up To be a part of the street

evangelism ministry.

And yesterday we went out.

Yeah, we went out to San Antonio yesterday At the Pearl.

We had eight guys come out.

Had some opposition.

One guy was screaming in my face.

And it was fantastic.

God is faithful And just growing the ministry.

Being consistent.

So I'm really happy.

Excited.

When you finish evangelizing.

You go out.

You just come back You can't even sleep Because you're on cloud nine.

God blesses the ministry Proclaiming the gospel.

So it was great Great Lord's Day today.

Mine was a blessing.

I just got to preach on Galatians 2 Verse 17 -19 Just a really, really great text.

Galatians is super theologically Deep and rich.

And it's a well That I don't think anyone can find the bottom of.

And so it's a real blessing Just to be in there.

And then later Just got home.

Like 15 minutes ago From being able to go to Eastside Baptist Church in Twin Falls.

Listen to Mark Chansky preach And him talk about the Reformed Baptist Network.

And just got a fellowship with him.

He's such a kind guy.

And so it was a real blessing If Mark Chansky does see this.

Thank you again for being able to come out.

It was a real blessing To fellowship and worship God with you.

So he came out like in the spur of the moment.

Didn't he?

Yeah, dude He's crazy.

So he was going to Nampa Which is about two hours from where I live.

About two hours and 30 minutes away From the church that he was at.

And he was going there.

Because there's a church in Nampa Sovereign Grace Fellowship in Nampa That is joining RBNET.

And so he was going out there to preach And introduce them to stuff and whatnot.

And so I guess while he's flying out here He's praying that he He has only got so much

time in Idaho.

And he really is praying to find pastors That want to hear it.

Just to hear from him.

And hear about the network.

And so he's praying about this.

And then I message.

So it's just the way that it happened.

It was pretty cool.

And so I messaged him.

He called me.

I was able to call five other pastors That are also 1689 in this area Reform

Baptists.

And we all met together At Eastside Baptist Church Just helping coordinate that.

It was a blessing.

And so I think we all Walked away encouraged.

And he gave a fantastic message.

That's awesome.

I don't know if y 'all heard.

But Christianity has lost its teeth.

I heard Elon Musk said that actually.

Wouldn't it?

Yeah, Elon Musk, yeah.

And a part of me wants to agree with him Because I believe that the teeth Is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And some of these pastors in pulpits Are so limpristic.

They wouldn't know the gospel If they read it from the scriptures.

Yeah, they're tripping over their skirts.

To get in the pulpit, I think.

A lot of them.

As Lawson says.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, like You know, it's kind of You know, I'm kind of reminded of that song You know, that Slim

Shady song.

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

It's like, will the real Christians Please stand up?

Right?

Will you use the weapon of warfare That God has given to us?

Right?

The gospel of Jesus Christ To go out and evangelize the world?

Right?

Yeah, man.

You know, I posted it.

There's 65 Christians, man I just cannot stand it.

You show me a church That doesn't have strong men.

And I'll show you a dying church.

That's right, man.

I mean, you know, I posted it today.

You know, I just got through bragging And I can't help it Because I'm just so happy That we had 20 people.

But hey, it's not enough.

We need more people.

We can't let up.

We need to go out Get out of the pews And go share the gospel In our neighborhoods.

And stand up against this wickedness That's coming against us constantly Over and over

and over.

So, yeah.

When I hear people talking about We have to do something.

I was like, well.

We've been given our marching orders.

Right.

To go out and to make disciples.

Are you going out making disciples?

And when they say no I'm like, brother.

I really don't.

What do you got to say to me?

Yeah Yeah.

Yeah, everybody's happy about.

You know, when we in service.

And I'm not talking about my church.

Because thankfully We're getting out there and going up.

But a lot of these people say Well, you know We gotta be a gospel oriented church.

We need to go out there And share the gospel.

And everybody's in hearty agreement.

Yes, amen.

And then.

You're quiet, you know.

So, yeah.

We need to get out there, guys.

And it's such a blessing, isn't it?

Every time we go out It's a blessing to go out there And share the gospel with people.

Yeah.

It's hard to find a close second.

Yeah, it really is.

Let's be honest, right?

I mean, it is a chore, right?

You're nervous before you go.

Like, listen.

I've been doing street preaching Since, let's see I started doing

evangelism regularly Around 2011.

Street preaching.

Specifically around 2012 -2013.

But just going out regularly.

Sharing my faith with people since 2011.

And I still I still get nervous.

Yeah, well, one We're handling the word of God, you know.

Yeah, absolutely.

So, we need to be fearful of that To make sure that we're presenting the gospel And also in

communicating the gospel In a way that You know, the same way we would evangelize Our unbelieving family Or our

unbelieving friend You know, pleading with them lovingly But bold enough And loving enough To be

able to tell them, listen If God doesn't intervene in your life Unless you realize Your spiritual condition is

dead In your sins If you don't come to Christ And you die in your sins.

Eternity is a long time It's forever.

Never ending.

Never ending.

Yeah.

Good plug.

Brayden, you ready?

Ready for us?

I'm going to be loud.

Amen.

You already know I agree with everything you just said.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, you know.

All that just to close by saying You know what I mean?

Listen, heathens are going to heath.

Yeah.

Right?

I don't expect non -Christians To act like Christians.

Alright?

Just like I don't expect Christians To act like heathens I expect What we're seeing to take place Because

they're worldly And the gospel is foolishness To those who are perishing.

So all this stuff that we see going off I mean, going on in our world today Well, it's because the gospel

is foolishness.

God said it is He ordered it in such a way That it would be.

Right?

I mean, that just is what it is.

What we have to do is be faithful.

And go out and preach that What they call foolishness.

Because not only is it foolishness It's also the power of God to salvation.

Yeah.

And so you want to see the teeth of the gospel Of Christianity?

It's the gospel.

We got to go out there and preach.

I will say this though on it.

Is that I've been seeing a lot of Christians.

Almost.

They almost say Well, the world's going to be the world.

And that's almost like a cop out.

About not doing anything.

Right.

Not saying anything.

Yeah, the world's going to be the world.

Yeah, no, they will.

But you're not being the church either right now.

By just blowing it off.

That's right.

Like, I don't know I shared a picture of it.

Where it's, of course, the Last Supper.

And then there's people.

Well, the Last Supper painting is blasphemous.

Anyway, okay.

Regardless, the point of it is Is that they're trying to blaspheme The Last Supper of

Jesus Christ, God in flesh.

By putting an act on.

Regardless of the painting or not.

It was a terrible, sinful, wicked thing That was being said.

It needs to be called out.

People need to be told to repent and believe.

And you know what?

Yes, we should pray for their souls.

But also, one of the signs of the times, right?

Is that we know that there's going to be In the last days.

Which I think we've been in the last days.

For the last 2 ,000 years, right?

In the last days There's going to be wicked, evil things going on.

Like what we're seeing right now.

And so, part of the cry to say Lord Jesus, come.

That is an imprecatory prayer.

That you are wanting the Lord Jesus to come.

And pour out wrath on these people.

The most, the worst precarious prayers.

For the neighbors, right?

When he comes.

When he comes, that's it.

Yep.

Those that didn't bend the knee Are going to be tossed Both body and soul into

hell.

Yep.

So yes, pray for them.

Yes, tell them to repent and believe.

But don't use it as a cop out.

To just hide and not say anything.

And it's, I don't know.

It was kind of a little bit shameful.

Some of the things I was seeing.

On my Facebook post with it.

For the most part, people think that.

You know, as long as I say something on Facebook I'm doing something.

No.

No.

No.

As long as you're doing something.

In your echo chamber, brother.

You ain't doing nothing.

Take it to the public square.

Preach the gospel.

That's right.

Anyways, what are we talking about?

Latinism.

Have we fixed that yet?

Kinda.

We glimpsed into it.

We did I would say we destroyed it.

But I might be biased.

Put people's elbow on that thing.

We put the people's elbow.

The macho man, Randy Savage elbow.

Right?

Don't care, that thing.

When you add Latin.

Get some, bruh.

So, from last week.

You should throw this up on the screen.

I got it on the feed for us.

Uh -oh.

Uh -oh.

My internet messing up.

It sucks, you know.

Oh, man.

Hotspot your phone.

Oh, yeah, he's frozen.

You gotta let it go, brother.

Let it go.

Absolutely.

Is it safe?

Let's throw that up.

Hold on, wrong one.

Oh, that's a good one.

That's a good one, too.

Come on in, Presby.

The water's deep over here, bruh.

The water's deep.

The water is deep.

Children are allowed If they profess faith.

We love you, brother.

Thanks for stopping by.

Love it.

Hold on, this one needs to be thrown back up.

This is a good second.

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Am I better now?

Yeah, you're better.

Huh?

You're better.

Okay, I just hotspotted the phone.

Yeah, good stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

Brady knows something.

He was talking bad about you I told him.

I have experienced this.

So, I'm just saying I know I gotta put it on hotspot quick when that happens.

All right, so am I throwing this up?

Yes, throw it up.

All right.

So, we gave y 'all a sneak peek of it last week.

We're gonna go through it today.

That's right.

Here we go.

So, right here What you are looking at on your screen Is what's off of Layton Flowers

Soteriology 101's website.

On here He wrongly calls it provisionism Because everybody knows It's really Laytonism.

And so last week We went through these single point by single point And I think

It just showed that they were butchering the context Of each one of these verses And taking them out of context To fit

into a presupposition And elevating their free will To a place.

This layout that you see right here.

And the proof text that they give.

They're doing the very thing That they accuse us of doing.

Of taking things out of context.

That's right.

They accuse us of taking things out of context.

And they develop something That takes everything out of context.

And just like I told the other guy.

And for those of you who don't know I challenged to debate Layton Flowers one time.

He would not debate me.

And then I debated Jason Brita.

Which I.

I won't break the news.

But I've been talking back and forth with him.

Anyways.

I debated Jason Brita.

And that was one of the things that he says That Calvinists take things out of context.

And here they are Taking everything out of context.

And I told him that I can.

Right I can give you the context Biblical context And historical

context of every quote Or every verse that I mentioned.

He could not.

Yeah.

And he couldn't answer the questions.

You answered every question that he had offered.

And he couldn't answer any of the questions That you answered back to him.

And then he just.

He chalked it up on not being a good debater.

But you know Every one of the verses I think we went over it last week.

We didn't go over every one of them.

Well didn't we go through.

Well yeah.

But we went through several of them In every section.

We read and we would agree with them.

In their context like you had said.

But they take it out of context.

That's right.

Yeah.

So.

What we're doing today.

So obviously We fixed the title from Provisionism To Latentism.

But what we After last week Have done Is we are going to fix

Latentism God's love and provision According to scripture of course.

Because we don't like to insert our presuppositions Into the text.

And this is what we have come up with.

Is Uh oh.

What am I doing.

Bam.

There it is.

Oh yeah.

Look at how beautiful this is.

I can say I'm a provisionist right here.

If this is what it means.

That's good That's The Lord has provided.

Right.

Look at this.

Not that one.

Not that one.

Not this.

Almost threw up there.

Beautiful Everybody.

You need to Take a screenshot of this.

And.

Read through it later.

And share it around on social media.

I'll try to post it up On the book face later today.

But you can do it yourself as well.

Yeah.

So we're going to go through this.

One point by one point.

We might get through them all today.

We may not.

Who knows.

But as you can tell Latentism fixed.

We have our logo up there.

I threw my name on there.

God's love and provision.

According to.

Scripture.

That's what we want to define All these things based off of.

And I will be going back and forth Between this Just to show the difference Between each one of the points.

Alright let's do it.

Okay.

Let's do it.

You guys want to start with number one?

Yep First one.

You're going to have to pull it up.

I can't see.

Okay yeah.

Oh that's good.

Go ahead.

Read it.

I can't see it that great to read.

Alright let's do this.

I'm working on my iPad Because something happened to my laptop.

Okay so I got it.

God the only sovereign And first uncreated cause Has predestined all things

According to his holy wise will And therefore nothing is meaningless Or

without providence.

Amen.

That's a piece I can get behind.

So let's just look at this.

The comparison People sin Which last week we talked about.

How it's trying to remove What we have died in Adam with.

That there's almost What's being put out here by Latentism in general Is

trying to remove That fallen nature That death nature.

That child of wrath that we see.

In Ephesians 2 and Romans 5.

From the fall.

And so I fixed it now.

We're starting off.

We're talking about God's sovereignty.

Right.

That's the way it should be God first.

God first.

God first.

And what was wrong with People sin.

The way they put it Said that Let's go back to the other one real quick.

People sin Which separates all from fellowship with God.

Therefore Because man sinned.

They're saying Therefore a divine provision Became necessary.

Now what was our argument against that.

Well so if you look at what he's trying to get at If you look at what he's trying to get at Is that we're separated Because we

sin.

So personal sin.

So you know.

So a child isn't separated.

He isn't born separated from God Because it hasn't sinned.

But once it sins It's separated from God.

You see what I'm saying.

And so he's not looking at the fact That we are born in Adam Unable

to please God.

We are born with a sin nature.

So we're not saying that a child Is born You know right out of the womb.

Sinning.

Like that's not what we're We're trying to say.

But they are separated In the sense that They are born with a sin nature.

They inherited the sin nature of Adam.

As goes the king So goes the kingdom.

Adam's.

In Adam's fall All men fell In Adam.

And so he's trying to say that Yeah federal headship right.

And so he's trying to say That we're separated Because of our own personal sin.

And we're saying no.

We're separated Because of Adam's sin.

He brought sin and death Into the world.

Right.

So anybody born of natural.

So anybody born of natural generation.

From the time of Adam To this point.

Even now today.

Has inherited Adam's sin guilt.

Just at the moment of conception.

Positionally Positionally We are separated from God.

Would you agree with that Braden?

Yep that's absolutely right.

And we did talk about last week.

One thing that you did say Tom.

That I appreciate.

Is that the fall happened.

Because of the cross.

Not the other way around.

It's not like the cross happened.

Because of the fall.

The crucifixion and resurrection Of Jesus Christ was not plan B.

It's always been plan A.

And so in this original point right here.

What's there's people sin.

It's almost making it seem that.

Well Jesus was the second plan.

Which is not the case.

We did look at Romans 5 .12.

We looked at Romans 6 .23.

I believe we even went into Hebrews 9 .22.

If I can recall from last week Isaiah 59 .2.

Was that the one that was.

Just why is that in there?

There's just a complete.

I think what they were trying to Insert in that text Was not according to the context of Isaiah.

Let me read it real quick.

No it was.

Yeah go ahead.

It was according to Israel.

Like it has nothing.

You know because you have to.

You have to think about it.

God had a covenant.

Relationship.

Excuse me a relationship.

What was it 59?

59 .2 Yep 59 .2 Isaiah 59 .2.

Yeah so God has a Is in covenant with Israel.

He's not in covenant with the Palestines.

He's not in covenant with all the Jebusites.

And all the otherites.

Okay.

59 .2 It says but your iniquities Have made a separation

Between you and I I mean between you and You and your God And your

sins have hidden.

Excuse me.

And your sins have hidden His face from you So that he does not hear.

Again this is Directly speaking to Israel That's the historical context As

well As the biblical context.

Right Isaiah is Writing this calling the Israelites To repentance.

That's right.

Because they turned They did what was right in their own eyes.

According to the judges right They had.

They were supposed to live a certain way.

They turned their back on God.

They went after idols.

And what happened.

They fell into sin.

And so there was oppression.

There was sin.

There was guilt.

Because they sinned.

But that's not.

That's not the reason Why we stand separated from God.

The reason is Because we are by nature Dead in our trespasses and sins.

Now let's look at it this way.

So let's say Let's say I fell into sin.

I don't want to put that on anybody else.

Let's say I fell into sin.

This word Can be for me right.

So if I fell into sin I can read here and say Behold the Lord's hand Is not short That

he cannot save.

Or his ear dull That he cannot hear.

Like all I have to do right here As a saved person Who is swimming in my sin

Is to call.

Look at my thumbs up.

Is to call out to God And ask for forgiveness.

Right.

1 John 1 I think it's verse 8.

Right.

It talks about Verse 9 excuse me.

It talks about confessing our sins.

And he will forgive us.

Right and so.

And then right here Because of my iniquities And I'm living in sin It says.

But your iniquities Have made a separation Between you and your God.

Right.

And so this is a You know for a believer We can say yes and amen.

This is you know.

We can take a clear application From that and apply it to our lives.

But we cannot apply this To the Jebusites.

Right.

Back then Nor can we apply it To the heathen of today.

Hallelujah.

Amen.

Good stuff.

So what we're looking at right now Is six bible verses That fit into What

the definition of pen Is in our Our points here.

We're taking back the word provide.

We're taking back the word provide.

What you gonna do Layton.

What you gonna do bruh.

We're taking it back.

How do you like me now.

I don't know if we wanna I don't know if we wanna read Each one of

these These bible verses That we got up here.

Or what.

Let's just you know.

Let's ask the audience.

Do y 'all want us to go through All the bible verses.

I mean there's a lot of them.

I think we do need to go through one.

Somebody holler.

But I do wanna go through Ephesians.

And this is talking about.

This is talking about the planets.

Ephesians 1 .4.

Do it.

Alright.

Alright it says Just as he chose us in him Before the foundation of the world That we would be

holy and blameless Before him in love.

He chose us In other words Like you had said Braden Like we had said last week That the plan of

redemption Was a covenant In the Godhead That he planned Before the foundations of the world.

He has names that are written In the Lamb's book of life Before the foundation of the world.

And if your name is written In that Lamb's book of life Which he chose us in him Before the foundation of

the world That's when the plan started.

It was an eternal plan.

That's right.

Amen.

Love that sweet covenant.

Theology Isaiah 46 9 -10.

Can I get some pushback On what they would say.

Oh yeah go ahead.

This is speaking to the apostles only.

This is something that I've heard them say.

So he's saying.

So like in the same way That I can take application From that Isaiah passage If I was

you know If I had fallen into sin as a Christian And I'm and I'm And there's a

separation With my relationship with God.

So it's not that I'm not a Christian But I because of my sin I have my

sins have hidden his face from me.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay I push back on that.

Hold on.

But that's how you can apply this.

Because he's speaking.

Yes he's speaking to his apostles.

Who is writing this.

To believers.

Right.

So let's just say He's just speaking to his apostles.

Which I don't think that's the case.

No.

All right.

He's not.

Yeah he's not.

But I'm just saying Let's just give them that bone For a second In the same way That I can apply

Isaiah Fifty nine one and two To my life as a believer I can

also apply What this is saying as a believer.

If that was the case I can make direct application to us.

However.

That is not the case.

Paul is writing a letter To the Ephesians church And they're taking direct application That it's speaking to them.

Verse one it says To the saints who are Ephesus.

Yes.

Faithful in Christ.

Like And this not only that But guess what the great unity is.

Across all sixty six books of the Bible It always describes the same means of salvation And that is In Jesus Christ

We have been predestined And conformed to him.

Justified.

Sanctified And eventually glorified.

That's exactly what the next scriptural.

Rehearsal here is.

Romans eight twenty nine thirty Which is the golden shade of redemption.

Here in Ephesians You see the God father.

God our father.

Choosing us Predestinating us According to his goodness In Christ

Jesus.

Adoption Adoption right there Faith in Christ We're made a part of the family of God.

We don't adopt ourselves.

That's right.

In him we have redemption Through the blood The forgiveness of transgressions According to the riches of his grace.

Verse seven.

Which he caused to abound to us.

Who caused it Brady?

Who caused it?

I'm pretty sure that one's talking about God right there.

Oh okay.

It wasn't on me?

No it wasn't.

It was all Soledad Gloria.

Right?

Um this.

You have to butcher this text.

Beyond recognition.

To be able to come away with provisionism.

Or latinism.

Excuse me.

Yeah don't you ever misname it.

Okay.

My fault.

Don't call me latin.

But I do I must say.

I.

There is a chicken.

All right.

Okay.

It's the latin.

I thought it might have been latin.

Alan in the background crying.

So I Isaiah Isaiah we love.

I chose him.

Let me also just be clear in saying this.

I.

Love our brothers and sisters in Christ That are provisionists.

Y 'all are wrong on your soteriology.

I love you.

Yeah.

But you're wrong on it.

I mean when latin came to the conference.

We had good fellowship.

He was cool.

And latin knows.

Yeah.

Listen I guarantee you Latin can watch this and laugh.

Good Right.

Because latin hung out with us.

And he saw us making fun of each other.

Yeah.

All right.

That never happened.

That's just how them guys are.

And.

And that is.

Like if you want to be our friend You better be tough.

Okay.

Cause there.

I grew up in the trailer park And like my song says There's no safe places in a place When your place is on

a hitch.

Okay.

But we don't play like that.

You know even latin.

He kind of made He kind of had a big dig on On Kevin Hay In the conference Cause he told him

That I look like his dad.

Oh.

That's right.

And Greg Moore was going man.

Don't tell.

Don't tell your wife.

Kevin Hay.

That that's what you're gonna look like When you get older.

So.

So gloves off latin.

Here we go.

I love it.

So Isaiah 46 9 through 10 Is that It's God speaking to Israel.

That I have.

I have predestined these things to occur So that you may know That I am the one and only God.

There's none before nor after.

So God's sovereignty is a thing That separates him from other From all the false gods.

Of course the.

The golden chain of redemption.

Here in Romans 8 Acts 4 is Peter giving a sermon And he's saying.

The The.

The people.

Pontius Pilate The people of Israel The Gentiles All those that were against Christ Jesus.

It was according to God's Predetermined plan.

To crucify Jesus Christ.

Yep.

Genesis 50 20 The incident with Joseph Being sold into slavery.

In there it says that You meant it to evil against me But God meant it for good.

Not that God used it for good But God meant it for good.

The same exact connection Being sold into slavery.

Meant.

R .C. Sproul Has a teaching on that.

And so does Dr. White.

But I don't think they go back.

Far enough.

Far enough Far.

How do you say it?

Far Far Far Far away.

Yeah so.

So they'll take it.

And they'll put it.

Like they'll begin the story.

Like they'll start it there.

But they'll take it to where Joseph was actually Sewed into slavery.

I think we do better If we take it to where It's actually first mentioned.

And that is.

Genesis chapter 15.

So in Genesis chapter 15 In verse 13 it

says this.

So this is when God had put Abraham asleep After he split open

The animals And he goes to walk through them.

Verse 13 it says.

Then the Lord said to Abram Know for certain That your offsprings Will be

sojourners In a land that is not theirs And will be servants there And

they will be afflicted For four hundred years But I will bring judgment On the nation

that they serve And afterwards they shall come out With great possessions.

Right.

Alright.

So how did all that.

How did God And his sovereignty Cause that

to happen?

Well.

Joseph was sewed.

Well first of all Joseph had to be sewed into slavery By his brothers.

And then his brother famine has to come Which causes his brothers to go to Egypt.

Seeking grain Joseph has to forgive his brothers.

And then the Israelite people Are welcomed in Egypt In the land of Gosheh.

Right.

And then Joseph dies and there comes a pharaoh.

Who knows not Joseph.

So on and so forth.

Alright.

All the while preserving the seed.

Yeah.

That whole incident Is a prophecy given to Abraham.

A prophecy given to Abraham.

And so what.

And so when he says God meant for good That's pointing us back To

Genesis chapter fifteen Beginning in verse thirteen.

And it tells you how he means it for good.

It's a part of that covenant promise.

They will come out with great possessions.

That's right.

Job 42 No purpose of yours can be thwarted.

The purpose that Job is speaking about in there Is the situation that he's in.

And it's dire.

Seven kids.

Seven sons, three daughters.

Boils from head to toe.

He's saying that that's the purpose of God.

And it cannot be thwarted.

Remarkable faith from Job in there.

So that's the context.

Quick words from each one of them.

Without opening up each one.

Good stuff.

Regeneration.

Should we see what they said.

I know this one.

You know this one.

Let's see what they first.

They first put responsible.

That is everyone is able to respond.

I just want to throw up.

Everyone is able to respond To God's appeal for reconciliation Because a divine provision Will be

heard and understood.

Never mind that you're dead In your trespasses and sins Slaves of the devil.

And it's also the message is foolishness.

You can respond Oh yeah you can.

Just not positive.

It's going to be consistent with your nature.

And not only that.

It kills Ephesians chapter 1 4 that we just read That he chose particular people You know he's making

salvation Possible to everyone here.

That the father chose someone But now he's going to send his son To make salvation

possible For an entirely different Group other than.

Oh you didn't know that the father chose a people.

But the son died for a different people.

And the Holy Spirit just doesn't know who to apply the purpose to.

You didn't read that.

That's right.

Yeah.

It's all up to you Jeff.

It's up to you.

It's in second hesitation.

Yeah.

I'm standing on a stump.

So obviously.

We said this last week If responsible means That we are responsible for our sin I

would say amen to that.

But that is not the way that they take this.

Responsible to this.

Is that we everyone Has the ability to respond positively

To the gospel call In their nature outside of.

Outside of God.

Regenerating them.

Which yeah like I said.

Want to throw up.

What we put is regeneration.

Instead of Responsible we put regeneration.

It says in here regeneration Is the new birth By the Holy Spirit.

Yep.

Alright.

Oh I see granite.

Alright.

Alright.

Let's go back just a little bit.

Is that close enough.

Okay regeneration is the new birth By the Holy Spirit where grace Faith and the indwelling

Of the Holy Spirit is granted To the elect of God.

Outside of this new birth We remain dead in our sins And enemies to God.

Therefore regeneration.

Precedes faith.

That's right.

That's just what the bible does Concerning salvation.

It gives us a word Picture like that's the analogy Of scripture concerning salvation.

Is the new birth.

And this was the verse In Colossians Chapter 3 Verse

4 and 5.

This is the one that I was pointing at In that debate that I had Hold on

Colossians.

Excuse me.

13.

No.

I'm sorry not Colossians Forgive me.

Titus I can't even remember.

Colossians is great too.

That's not what I was talking about.

So I was talking about.

The word regeneration is found.

Yeah we'll get there.

The word regeneration is found In Titus chapter 3 Beginning in verse

4.

And we'll go to verse 5 It says.

But when the kindness.

When the goodness and kindness Of our God and Savior appeared.

And we would all have to agree.

This is first century.

This is his first coming.

He saved us not because of works Done by us in righteousness But

according to his own mercy.

And here's how he does it.

By the washing of regeneration And renewal of the Holy Spirit.

And my argument here Had to do with that word regeneration.

Which is the Greek word Pauline Genesea.

Pauline means again.

And Genesea means birth.

So if you just read it how it is.

It's again birth.

But it's translated born again.

Or birth again.

And so he saves us Through a new birth.

And Jesus speaks about this When it comes to salvation.

How a person is saved.

That's the analogy.

It's a new birth.

And ladies and gentlemen none of us Had anything to do with our first birth.

Therefore We have nothing to do With our second birth.

Amen.

That's right.

That's the analogy.

The picture.

That's just how it's laid out.

And to tie that in I think you also have 1 Peter 1 3.

And it says this Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Who according to his great mercy

Has caused us to be born again To a living hope Through the resurrection of Jesus

Christ From the dead.

Wait you said caused?

Who caused?

I chose him.

It almost sounds like there's continuity.

And it says his great mercy According to his great mercy Has caused us to be born

again.

Time out.

You didn't do it.

Time out.

Not according to my faith Not according to my endurance Not according to

what I willed.

This didn't have anything to do with you.

It sounds like this God.

You're talking about is sovereign.

He's more sovereign than that.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Again ladies and gentlemen.

Like if you.

They talk about.

That they're holding to scripture.

Right.

And again listen We really do care about Layton.

Like I think he's a good guy.

I enjoyed hanging out with him.

Hope I get to hang out with him again.

But this is nonsense.

When it comes to.

What does he do with that verse.

That he has caused us to be born again.

I don't.

What's his argument there.

Well I'm hoping that they'll watch.

Some of the stuff that we're doing.

And we're really like putting the Foot on the pedal when it comes to Paulingenesia that Greek

word Reap for regeneration.

And I hope they make a response.

Because I'm like listen.

I've been wanting to go to watch a comedy.

For a while.

Please make a response.

Because you have to butcher.

You have to literally remove it from the text.

It cannot mean anything else.

Right.

Or just like you said.

Or they have to make this mean something other than it says.

Way far off basis.

Butchering the text.

Yeah.

Well.

I mean you guys already hit on the major ones on there.

Yeah I mean.

Again.

Please share this video.

We want lateness to see this.

We want.

Christianity as a whole to see this.

So please be sharing this kind of videos.

Because that's how they end up seeing these things.

Yeah so in my debate.

Go back over to the verses.

So in my debate.

If you haven't watched it please go watch it.

It's on the Gospel Truth Network.

I hit John 3 John 5 Titus 3.

But I use 4 and 5 Ezekiel 36.

Now I would have loved to use more.

I had to pick and choose.

We only had a short time To get everything out.

However.

Yeah.

So if you go You'll listen to me explain Ezekiel 36 26 -27.

And so what's his name.

Jason.

Yeah Jason.

So when it comes to that Titus 3 -5 He made a video and he was wanting And he asked in there.

He was wanting to know if I would be willing To debate Titus 3 -5 Using

all of Titus In the context.

And if you go to his Facebook page Living Christian You'll see I put in there Yes like

I wanted to give a quote From a tombstone You know like.

I'm your huckleberry.

That's just my kind of Whatever you know like.

But I did accept it.

And he hasn't responded back to it.

So I think he was saying that thinking I wouldn't watch the video.

But I mean.

I'm your huckleberry.

Like I know the book of Titus.

Like I'm not trying to.

You know do wrong.

So somebody just asked Where can they find this URL.

I'm going to post it on my Facebook.

You can find it there I'm sure.

These guys.

Will share it on their Facebook.

Jeffrey Rice and Tom Shepard.

Please share it.

Get it out there.

Let's light the fire.

Underneath the lateness.

But hopefully.

They reform to Biblical Doctrine.

Alright you guys want to read The next one.

Okay what do we got.

We got Original Sin.

Yeah do you guys want to see what the one was before.

Yeah let's try to hit that one.

Don't throw up again.

That sounds like a country song I forgot.

I forgot that Jesus said That wide is the way And open is the door that leads unto salvation.

I forgot that verse.

It's wide open.

All you got to do is jump in.

The water is fine.

It's like a hug from above.

I'm pretty sure.

Hug from above.

It's here but not yet.

That's right I'm pretty sure that Jesus said narrow is the way.

Yeah.

He calls himself the door And then he says only to me that the door The gatekeeper opens And I

call my sheep out And that excludes Those that try to climb up another way The

dogs The false shepherds The robbers is what it says in John 10.

Or the other sheep that are also in the sheep pen.

Who are not his.

Guess what Jesus does.

He says I call them out.

No.

Salvation is not an open door.

Jesus is the door and he died for the elect.

It's not an open door.

Yeah.

But wait a minute Braden.

It says right here for anyone to enter Through faith.

Just muster up.

Pull yourself up by your booty strips And muster up some faith over here.

And you can go right into his Open arms.

He's just hoping that you will come.

Doesn't that just fly in the face Of what the verse that you read before Tom.

Like he caused us According to his mercy.

It's not It's not that we caused God To show favor to us It's according to

our faith We placed in him.

That's not how this works.

As a matter of fact.

And let me go there real quick.

Acts 13 48 And we got to read this Because this is a killer.

Which one.

Acts 13 48 And it says.

And when the Gentiles heard this They began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord.

And as many as had been appointed To eternal life believed.

In other words If God doesn't appoint a person To eternal life how can you come.

If he has not chosen that Person how can that person Possibly come another way.

The door is not wide open Just like you said.

So one of the arguments that he makes.

And I might be saying it wrong.

Are you saying that God unilaterally chooses Those who are going to be saved And those who are

not.

What does he mean by unilaterally.

As if.

As if randomly.

Just willy nilly.

Going grabbing a few.

Is that what he means by that.

Well I think I really don't know exactly what he Is articulating.

But that's what I get.

From it.

So the fact that The fact that he We're dead in our sins

Our condition is dead in our sins And the fact that he Decides to show mercy on Any

Is all grace You know.

And so if God chooses God chooses to Choose a people group for

his own Possession.

I don't know why he would choose me.

There's no reason why he would choose me.

I know you guys there's no reason Why he would choose you guys.

Watch him out.

We make fun of each other And.

But the thing is is that It's all grace.

I have no clue.

There's no reason why I could even Fathom why he would want to choose.

A person.

A person who has been rebelled You know shaking my fists against him.

And living the life in my past life that I lived You know but my condition was dead.

So whatever his purpose is Praise God.

I'm not going to ask.

I'm not going to pretend to know the mind of God.

To ask him why he chose me.

He did it.

To show his glory.

That's all I can think of.

And so we should just praise him And thank him for that.

I have no idea why he chose me.

Amen.

If God just saved one person Let alone the thousands upon thousands Upon

thousands that he has saved God would still be worthy Of eternal praise for his mercy.

Just one.

And being the creator Having absolute power Does he not get to set the terms.

Does he not get to choose Who he decides to choose.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I.

My co -elder.

And he even says it.

The analogy is so much far Limited to the extent Of the distance

between God and man.

It would be like us playing with Legos and having a Lego set.

And the Legos are upset That we're playing with one more than another.

Or that one was the main character In our little Lego game that we're having.

That's.

Legos don't get to do that.

To those that are playing with them.

Or those that are creating them.

God.

And I use the Lego term because this co -elder He helps with the youth ministry.

And so it connects with the kids.

And so my little boy inside right now Is playing with Legos.

And.

God is so much infinitely greater Than my son is to those Legos.

Right.

And the fact that he saves any of us And it's all part of his plan.

Praise be to God.

And let me read this verse that Michelle just put up.

Luke 13 Verse 24.

Start at 23.

And someone Said to him, Lord Will those Who are saved be

few.

And he said to them.

Verse 24 Jesus speaking Strive to enter through the narrow.

Door.

For many I tell you Will seek to enter.

And will.

Not be able.

What do you think.

They're seeking.

So I'm thinking here that They will seek to enter They will seek to be right with God

But they're not going to go through The method Which God has determined to save them.

In other words, they're going to be seeking wrongly.

They're going to be trusting Not in the person work of Christ alone For eternal life For him to wash you of your

sins And to have his righteousness put on our account.

But they're Probably depending and seeking to be right with God Another way.

What could that be.

LDS is a perfect example.

LDS is a perfect example of that.

Think about all the earnest LDS people out there Who think that they are doing their absolute best To obey and

follow God.

Yet they think that they will be rewarded Based off their own efforts of what they are doing.

So they're trusting in their own righteousness.

They're trusting in their own works Their own righteousness.

If you don't mind me pissing some people off That's fine with you.

Here we go.

Right.

Like Noah is told to build an ark For him and seven other people.

Including animals.

He's told that it's going to be Him, his wife His three sons.

And their wives.

Right.

Alright And believe me When I tell you that

Probably as the water Starts to come And the boat starts rocking You hear

the knocking Let us in.

Right.

And guess what.

They strive to enter And were not able.

God closed the door.

That ark Was only meant for eight people.

And a lot of people will say Well Noah was a preacher of righteousness.

You better believe it.

Every swing of that hammer Is preaching Christ.

Every slab of that That tar Getting onto that That boat

is preaching Christ.

Never once.

Will you convince me that Noah walked around Preaching that a flood was coming.

He said well Jeff how do you say that.

Matthew chapter 24 verse 36.

But concerning that day and hour No one knows not even the angels of heaven Nor the

son But the father only.

For as it was in the days of Noah So will it be in the coming Of the son of man.

For as in the days of Noah As in those days before the flood They were eating and

drinking Marrying and giving in marriage Until the day when Noah Entered the ark

And they were unaware Until the flood came And swept them all away.

So will it be In the coming of the son of man.

They were.

Unaware but best believe With every swing of that hammer Noah with his

actions Is preaching Christ.

Yeah.

I mentioned that In my sermon that I gave at the Y Calvinism conference right.

It was designed purposely God gave.

Noah didn't just build an ark.

He built it according to God's design.

That he built an ark.

And it was only built for the eight That got to pass safely through the waters.

Which is totally typological.

Why would he build it.

For eight.

And God tells him Who's going to enter in.

Go back to Genesis.

It tells him who it is that's going to enter in.

And then go out and invite people to come in.

Guess why they were invited in too.

Because Noah As the federal head of these Seven people.

It says that they were included In this covenant because of the faith The

righteousness that Noah Had found in the eyes of the Lord.

So again Perfect typology To what we have in Christ

We are sinful and fallen.

But through our mediator Of the new covenant our federal head Jesus Christ We are reckoned with righteousness.

Because of what he has fulfilled.

And he is the ark of our salvation And we are able to safely pass through the wrath of God Because he took it for us.

Yeah.

I'm sorry the door is shut.

It's not open.

It opens for the shepherd.

Well let's see what we put.

We put O for original sin.

Because According to latinism They just say people sin.

We felt like it needed to be fine tuned a little bit more.

Somebody want to read that.

Sure.

It says Adam as our federal head Sinned against God by breaking his covenant

Which incurred Which incurred death.

For all those he represented All are born dead in sin And wholly defiled

In all the faculties And parts of the soul and body.

So.

Adam as our federal head.

Sinned against God.

So goes the kingdom.

As goes the king So goes the kingdom.

Right.

As goes the federal head So go the people.

I bet my congregation hears that in their sleep.

So you want to Define federal head again.

What does it mean to be a federal head.

So everyone understands.

A federal head.

Our representative.

Yeah.

So it's that One person represents the whole.

So That's the quick Just footnote version of it

And a lot of people are opposed to it.

Because they're like.

I don't want to be held responsible for Adam's sins.

Right.

But first of all the bible says That death came in through Adam.

So death affects everybody.

And that's through Adam.

So regardless if you like it or not.

That's the case.

And second of all I love federal headship.

Because if it wasn't for it Christ Jesus.

Is my new federal head.

Christ Jesus the one that I am undeserving of He represented me upon the cross And took my wrath.

To deny the headship Of Adam is to deny the headship Of Christ.

That's right absolutely.

That is beautiful.

Is that not.

I mean that's the beautiful part of the new covenant.

That we have a new covenant.

Absolutely.

It really is.

Everybody ought to be posting that.

That's right amen.

The second part of this.

So as Adam because he represents all mankind.

So the all that he represents.

Is everybody.

Without exception.

Everybody without exception.

Good point there.

Not without distinction.

Without exception.

He incurs death For all those that he represented And because of that All are born dead in sin

And wholly defiled in all the faculties And parts Of soul and body.

That comes verbatim from the 1689.

I'm sure it's said exactly the same way In the west minister in the Savoy.

But that's where that last sentence comes from.

Right.

So proof of that.

Proof text.

Romans 3 10 no one is righteous.

No not one.

Then tells us of all the ways that we sin against God And that we fall short of the glory of God And that the law was given to hold everybody accountable before God.

Ephesians 2 3.

That's a text that I think we should all know.

Off the top of our head yeah.

Genesis 3 17.

Obviously that's speaking of the fall itself.

That's the part Where God is giving a curse.

Unto man.

So again we suffer those Curses that Adam received Ephesians 2 again

As we're dead in our sins and trespasses.

Romans 5.

Romans 5 12.

That's the biggest one right there.

It's clear as day.

Therefore just through one man Sin entered into the world And death through sin And

so death spread to all men Because all sin.

That's right.

Hey don't judge me bro.

Am I being mean.

You're being mean again.

You're being mean.

You open air theology guys are judgmental.

We're meanies.

So then 1 Corinthians 15 22 says Yeah.

1 Corinthians 15 22 says For as in Adam all die so also in Christ They shall all be made alive.

So again federal headship.

I don't know man it seems like People sin.

Or it doesn't open door.

Yeah I don't.

Do we even need to read the rest of these.

We probably should.

We're doing a show.

We're doing a show.

We're at the hour.

Mark are you able to stay.

Let's get through it guys.

My computer is Is at 31 % right now.

So anyway.

So we're on.

What did I click.

Clicked over too many times.

So let's just see what they got for V.

We'll be quick.

They put vicarious atonement.

So they're defining this as Is the divine provision given Of sufficient value for the

sins Of the whole world and provides A way for anyone to be saved On the basis of Christ.

Shed blood so We did Hammer in pretty big time on this.

Last week.

Is there anybody in hell for whom Christ died.

Braden.

No.

Otherwise if it was.

Right.

Christ died needlessly for that person.

So the blood of Christ is being trampled upon.

It's not powerful Enough to save that person.

And God is unjust because he's giving Out double payment for the person on the cross Jesus and the person that is in hell.

The individual.

God would not be unjust in those ways.

Right.

Yeah.

So let's go back to Let's fix this.

Wait a second.

We're going to talk about this down here.

Indeed to directly fix it.

But what did we put for V.

Jeff you want to read this one.

I can't see it good enough man.

I mean I can see it but it's.

It's not.

It says victory In Christ alone.

I'm having to look through my iPad.

So it's a lot smaller than normal.

I got it.

Go ahead.

Through Jesus' righteous life Substitutionary death And triumph over the grave

All those whom He represents are brought Into a covenant of grace.

Because regeneration Precedes faith We don't boast of ourselves But

in the Lord alone.

Amen.

Look.

I.

Know I'm the one that wrote these.

But it sounds really good.

I've done a better job myself.

Let's just.

Let's give myself a round of applause right now.

Yeah a little pat on the back.

For sure.

Read the Colossians 2 14 -15 for proof text.

You want to read that one Jeff.

I do believe this is something that we looked at last.

Last week.

Yeah.

And by the way We're not cherry picking verses.

This all fits.

Go read it in context.

It all fits.

For any of my provisionist friends out there That want to debate any one of these verses.

Yeah.

Like.

Bring it.

What we write here.

Regulators mount up.

All right.

So Colossians.

What did you say Colossians 2.

Yeah Colossians 2.

Which that is the text that.

The Mauler guy that we talked with.

Just.

Well that doesn't mean literally.

It didn't literally happen.

Yeah I know right.

It's awful.

Verse 13 and you are dead.

And your trespass is an uncircumcision Of your flesh.

Yeah you heard me dead.

God made alive together with him.

Here's how he did it.

Having forgiven us of our trespasses That's where the grace comes in.

Ladies and gentlemen.

This is Ephesians chapter This is Ezekiel 36 25

By counseling The record of death that stood against us With its legal demands.

This Talking about that record of death He set aside

Nailing it To the cross.

Amen.

He disarmed the rulers and authorities By putting them to open shame.

How did he put them to open shame.

By triumphing over them In him The in him is Christ.

So as they were He triumphant over them By what they were doing To

Christ Nailing him to the cross.

Jeff what.

Real quick.

You said that they were dead.

What's dead mean.

So.

I thought dead was just a sickness.

According to the text.

If you look at Ephesians.

Chapter 2.

Dead is someone Who is Following after the prince And the power of the air

Carrying out the desires of their flesh In their mind And that means that they are by nature

Children of wrath.

So that would be the definition of dead here.

Slaves to sin.

And I would say that 2nd Timothy tells you why 2nd Timothy beginning in verse

23 I think it is It tells us That we have been captured by the devil

To do his will.

So have you ever seen those Simony Sam shows Where he's chasing the bunny.

And he sticks his gun into a hoe And all of a sudden the barrel It's manipulated

and it's pointed Right back at him And so he shoots the gun and shoots himself.

That's what this Verse in Colossians That's what I say right.

As they're nailing him to the cross They thinking that they finally got rid of This

guy That does good deeds They're actually

Shooting themselves.

They're actually.

He's bringing about The best deed.

Out of them all in that moment.

I like that I'm writing this down Yosemite Sam.

That'll preach.

All right.

That's right.

All right.

You guys want to go to the next one.

Illuminating grace.

Illuminating grace.

Yeah so that's what they got right here.

Illuminating grace Is the divine provision offered sufficiently To all And provides

clearly revealed truth So that all can know And respond in faith.

He is a liar right there.

Because if he's meaning all without All without exception That is a

total lie.

Did you just almost.

Did you just almost say.

All without obsession.

Listen man I'm from the south.

I'm from the south.

And I'm a street kid.

And it's late.

That's all right.

So yeah so we touched on this one a lot.

Last week too right.

There are people right now that are Dying that has a knowledge of God Because of creation but they have no knowledge of The trinity

they have no knowledge that Jesus Died for them.

I'm sorry there is not a Divine provision Offered to everyone

That clearly provides The revealed truth of Jesus Christ.

There just isn't.

How is it revealed.

Braden.

Tell them.

It's through the ordinary means of grace.

Somebody needs to be able to preach the gospel.

They hear the gospel.

And then the Holy Spirit does the work on them.

Through special revelation.

Through the scriptures.

The bad part and we talked about this last week Is that.

And yes.

Hyper Calvinism let's reject it Let's deny it.

I agree.

Wrong evil not correct.

However this teaches A hyper Calvinism view Of evangelism which is

Well if everybody can respond Equally without exception.

And all people have this.

Guess what Do I need to get out and preach.

No they got it.

If everyone already has it There is no need to go out and preach.

That falls under the same Condemnation for hyper Calvinism.

That's right.

So Leighton himself is an evangelist Yet I don't understand How he

can't see the error In this I'm sorry it removes all the responsibility Of the church being the church

And going about with the great commission And preaching the gospel.

I mean really Braden you just nailed it on the head right there.

I mean Leighton.

If this is the case You're a hyper Calvinist.

You're a hyper Calvinist.

It's the same rule right here.

There's no reason to go and preach If he's revealed it to everybody already.

Why do we do missions.

Why are there missions.

Why are we trying to go to.

Why do we call them unreached people.

Yeah.

They've been reached.

They've been done reached.

Forever Sorry.

Also jill3312330 Let me just say this is a quote from Elihu.

You shouldn't be looking at Elihu to get your theology.

You should look at God's response where he proclaims That he is sovereign.

Amen Yeah.

Job 38 to 42 is where we should be reading.

You know what.

Only if someone could fix this.

Oh yeah.

Oh wait my fault.

Oh.

Guys I gotta read this one Because this is something that I think We as believers just

need to Just be very clear On infallibility of scripture.

So they said illuminating grace.

We're saying infallibility of scripture.

What does that mean.

Scripture is God breathed As the only sufficient rule Of all saving knowledge

Faith and obedience.

It has sufficiently revealed The character of God who is triune Eternal and immutable.

Believers need not I'll say that again Believers need not to make excuse.

For what God has spoken.

So.

Do I need to make Excuse.

For this right up here.

Absolutely not.

If God has spoken that Which guess what He kinda has.

Plus I'll just say You can read these verses or read all 66 books of the bible.

It's really good stuff.

It all is in there.

We need not feel the need to To make an excuse for The way that God describes himself

It is sufficiently revealed God and his character.

You need to stop trying to fit Your vain philosophies and myths Into the word of God.

Amen.

That's good stuff man.

That was the argument.

I made in my debate.

Concerning these things That we do not Look outside of scripture

When it comes to.

You know Everyone knows there is a God Because of creation General revelation.

But the only way to know this God To know him personally Is through

special revelation.

And the only way to truly know him Is through the revelation given to us By Jesus Christ.

Like this is John.

John chapter 1 Verse 18.

Let me read that real quick.

John chapter 1 Verse 18.

It says no one has Ever seen God Speaking of the Father.

Here the only God Speaking of the Son who is at the Father's Side has made

Him known.

And then you go to.

John chapter 17 verse 3 says.

And this is eternal life That Jesus speaking that they may know You the only true God In

Jesus Christ whom you have sinned.

First John Chapter 2 I think it's verse 22 Or 23 talks about if you do not have The

Son you do Not have the Father.

You cannot separate the two.

The only way to know who the Father is Truly is through The Son and I would argue that

those For the most part The Old Testament doesn't Reveal

God In his true form.

Until we have the Revelation of Jesus Christ He truly reveals him In a unique way

God as Father, Son And Holy Spirit.

It does progressively reveal Him in a promise.

However, right?

In our Old Covenant.

As promise but Again when you read those promises About the New Covenant.

Yes.

To read the Old Covenant outside of the New Covenant I would still say That

it's not.

It's not crystal clear.

Because like as you get Further into the Covenants It becomes more clear.

And by the time you get to the New Covenant it's crystal clear.

That's right.

Beautiful.

I'm just Really happy you guys are talking about the Old Testament New Testament and just the continuity there I just now I'm seeing on

Facebook Jason Breda just posted something regarding His view of The Book of Romans that he's coming

out with this.

Video.

He's saying.

That.

That he misunderstood These three chapters In the Book of Romans he doesn't say in the video

For several years.

So he's alluding to back when he was Calvinist.

Right.

Or that he was claiming to be a Calvinist.

And he's saying that in these three chapters of Romans Guess what there's a distinction of Jew and Gentile.

Where's he going?

Is he going to 9, 10, and 11?

I don't know what.

Chapters but I'm sure it's the ones that you debated.

That James White with.

If you don't understand what he's doing So he says he's Came across an ambiguous

Antecedent and that's why I said in that debate You like antecedents.

So Romans chapter 1 verse 13 And what he's trying to Lay out here is that

From Romans chapter 1 I think he's going through 11 Is

solely speaking about The Jews so this is information Given to the Jews about the Jews And nothing but the

Jews so help me God.

And that's just bad.

It's just wrong.

It's bad exegesis I'd love to debate on that.

It's new theology.

It was developed.

Along with all those other cults.

Oh my bad.

I'm sorry Forgive me I'm sorry.

My co -pastor Told me I do not have A filter.

You're right.

I don't.

Sometimes wish you did.

I sometimes wish I did.

So okay.

So just going through this continually They put destroyed Again.

This was something this is a building up Argument that they're trying to make in their Latentism chart here.

Because again we talked about this last week destroyed For unbelief and resisting The Holy Spirit's drawing to

God's Mercy Will be the divine provision of justice.

So several things going on there.

First of all it's saying that we're not being destroyed For our sin but unbelief.

Right.

So that's wrong.

Right there.

Can you get it closer again so I can see it.

Yep.

So a little closer.

Okay.

And then Not only that but it's saying that we can stay In the hand of God that we can

triumph Over God's Choice over God's call Over God's moving

For us to come to him.

We can Be more powerful than that.

Right.

Also hold on it goes to what you were Talking about earlier with them being hyper Calvinist.

Yes.

Because look at it Your arrow is in my way I can't read it.

These words are a little bigger Than the other one.

Could you move your arrow.

For unbelief.

Yeah for unbelief.

And resisting the Holy Spirit's draw to God's Mercy Will be

divine provision of justice.

Okay.

So he's actually.

So I'm sure he believes that those Who are unreached if they die They're going to go to hell.

So is this saying that they deny The Holy Spirit.

Yes.

They resist the Holy Spirit and they're going to die.

They're going to be punished not for their sins.

But for.

Rejecting Jesus whom they have Not heard how can they Hear if no one Is

sent.

Right.

Listen your theology has to reach more.

Has to be more than America If your theology doesn't work In China and Africa and all

these Other continents.

My my dear brother.

Your theology is false.

Yeah.

That's right.

That's a Mormon theology right.

There for the Americans.

That's right so and then also So for the unbelief in resisting The Holy Spirit's drawing.

But yet John 644 Says no one.

Now words here the LSB Says can come.

That Word can in the Greek Is to be able Has the power to

Personal ability.

They Cannot come Without the Father draws him.

So unless unless the Father who sent me draws him He cannot come.

He's not able.

He cannot.

There's no Opportunity to come.

There's no power To come.

There's no personal ability To come.

We cannot God's will in any way.

That's right.

Well.

So that's a bunch of crap right.

Let's go.

Give me some truth.

I got you some good stuff.

Let's just See it.

Definite atonement.

Jesus is Christ.

Sorry Jesus.

Sorry that came out wrong.

Jesus Christ's atoning sacrifice Was intentional Effectual

And specifically designed To redeem those who the Father Predestined to be in the covenant of grace.

God does not give Double payment wrath For sin.

I just found a problem with your Your.

That's messed up there's no problem.

No there's not from a reformed Baptist Perspective nor from my Presbyterian Brothers but if you're a Calvinist

Baptist you just mentioned the words Covenant of grace.

Yeah.

I'm not here to make the.

Non -reformed Calvinist.

Both of us are trying to be.

I'm trying to piss people off.

This ain't gonna be good.

This is gonna be good.

It's gonna be.

Here we go.

Yeah I think it's great so you don't have a problem.

With the document I got you I got you.

No I don't have a problem I think it's.

Beautiful.

I was a little worried there when you said That I was like uh oh.

So of course.

So of course we have Hebrews 8 That's the covenant of grace that we're referring.

To.

Colossians 2 14 that the sin was nailed There with Jesus Christ John 10.

Speaking about the sheep of God that he lays.

Down his life for the sheep.

Isaiah 53 11 that suffering Servant text Again the golden chain of redemption.

And then John 6 39 which is a text.

That all the Father.

Gives me I will lose none.

All that the Father Draws I will raise up on the last day.

So yes the.

Drawing work of God will be completed In regeneration and not Only that but it will also be

secured In the death of Christ as well.

There will be a raising up on the last day.

Of it.

And here's where they Blow the whole thing here's where they blow.

It all the final Point.

Yeah.

Don't don't don't.

Point Calvinist Thing.

Inconsistent Calvinist that's what I'm Gonna start calling provisionist or lateness.

You're just being an inconsistent Calvinist Because you like one point but you Can't be a one pointer but even.

This this is not you know eternal Security and perseverance of the saints are not The same thing like I

mean.

I'm glad that he believes this but again Jason Britta doesn't right.

He he is a an anabaptist and let me tell you I've been studying anabaptist for two weeks.

Don't do it.

Okay, I hope my Lord Good.

I'm not getting smarter.

Yeah.

So eternal security is the divine provision that is everlasting for all true believers.

So once you believe you cannot lose your salvation is what this is teaching.

Which I think is just fascinating.

If belief faith is mustered for myself Why can't I stop mustering it and then

be then therefore destroyed for my unbelief?

This is where well.

That's the argument that brought me to Understand that we couldn't lose our salvation because my

argument was if I can get myself saved.

Yeah, I can get myself unsafe.

But the moment I understood.

The.

That that God is the one who does the saving I mean hence the word saving.

Salvation means to be rescued from what right.

And this being enslaved to the Satan.

You know.

If he can if he's the one who saves me.

Then I understand better that that I cannot lose it.

Or if you come to that first point first, right?

I mean the Eternal security, you know, I cannot lose this.

How can I not lose something?

I've earned.

That's right.

So.

Like I can't lose who I am as as a rice, you know.

Someone who's the rice.

I did not earn that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I just I just I just noticed this.

I think this is kind of funny.

Out of all the points this one eternal security is the most late Calvinism, right?

Mm -hmm.

However, it's the.

Yeah.

That's the one truth they have and they don't have much.

Let's see how we worded it because I like the way we worded it, okay.

So there's I and I am gonna bring out so there's been some controversy on this last one the way you worded

it.

But I'm gonna take up for you here, so just so you know, but there is a there is a word in there that people don't like.

I won't say anything.

I said.

Keep on going.

Good Lord.

It's hard to say man.

Yeah, let me read it.

Okay without without and then you guys try and pick it up.

Because the believers salvation was earned in Christ Applied by the Spirit and

ordained by the Father.

They therefore can't stay the hand of God nor undo what was done for them.

The believer can trust in the sovereign hand of God that holds them secure.

Look in the first sentence.

Was earned in Christ earned in Christ earned.

So some people don't like that word earned that because the believers salvation was earned.

Now, here's the thing.

Here's why I'm gonna take up for for brain now people don't like that word earned.

Here's the reason why.

Yes, so my wife even said the believer earned nothing, but here's the thing.

We are not saved by works.

Yes, we are.

It's just not our work.

He.

We could not live.

He took the punishment that we deserve.

So that's Braden's point right here.

Is that he is our righteousness.

The life that he lived that we are required to live.

But cannot live.

He did it in our place.

So he earned.

He earned the righteousness and we are in him.

So we have the righteousness of God in.

Obedience of Christ.

Yeah, that's a passive obedience.

But but like coming off a definite atonement it spoke about the covenant of grace right.