God’s Guide to Animals with Frank Sherwin of ICR

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Creation Fellowship Introduction and the Purpose of the Meeting

All right, so I am Terry cameras out here with creation fellowship CNT. We're a group of friends bound by our common agreement that the creation account as told in Genesis is a true depiction of how God created life and everything.

In just six days, a few thousand years ago, we've been meeting here on the zoom platform since June of 2020, and we've been blessed by a variety of speakers who have presented on topics that are creation science, other theology and even current events you can find links to most of our past presentations by typing in tiny URL com forward slash cf Santy that's see like creation F like fellowship and Santy is spelled s a n t e, you can also email us that creation fellowship Santy at gmail .com, so that you get on our mailing list we don't spam, and that way you'll get emails to all of our upcoming Thursday night speakers.

Tonight we're blessed to have back our friend Frank Sherwin. Frank works with ICR, that's in Institute for creation research. In fact, ICR is the founder of the museum where we used to meet in person down in Santy California.

And so we're blessed by the legacy that they've left that we've been able to enjoy learning more about creation because of that. So, I'm tonight Oh Frank, sorry, I'm a little distracted but I'm Frank Frank Sherwin received his bachelor's degree in biology from Western State College in Colorado and he attended graduate school at the University of Northern Colorado where he studied under the late Gerald D Schmidt, one of the foremost parasitologists in America.

In 1985 Dr Sherwin obtained his master's degree in zoology, he published his research in the peer reviewed Journal of parasitology, and in 2021 he received an honorary doctorate of science from Pensacola Christian College.

So you can find more of his work by visiting the ICR website that's icr .org. And with that, we're happy to have him talk to us tonight about his book got guide to God's animals.

The Origin of Animals and the Failure of Evolutionary Gradualism

Go ahead, Frank. Okay, well thank you very much, Terry and Robin for giving me a hand and helping me out and getting through all of this and and that's much appreciated. And I am a zoologist, specifically what we call an invertebrate zoologist.

I study parasites. That's what my master's degree was in and I've learned very quickly that you don't have to go to France to study parasites. And so I started doing that. And I have two very special special people that are watching here this evening.

Thank you, Terry. And one of those is David McQueen professor David McQueen a flood geologist that I've known since the early 80s when David and I and 18 other people went to Grand Canyon and study Grand Canyon from a flood geology perspective.

And then also I have my maliki devushka, well really I call her a kuritsa, Maria, and maliki kuritsa is little chicken in Russian. And so Maria is joining us as well. And that's wonderful. Maria was born in Pensacola.

And so let's go ahead and look at God's animals in the portions of which are taken from my book, God's Guide to the Animals. And let's see now. It is not forwarding like I hope it would do. There we go.

Good. All right. And what we find is when it comes to the origin of animals. And if I could just kind of go off to the side a little bit and mentioned that the infamous book that Charles Darwin used to turn the Western world upside down was, of course, the origin of species.

And it was published in 1859 and it was simply that it turned the Western world upside down, even though Darwin never mentioned in his book, the origin of the species. He talked a lot about minor variation, for example, of wild rock pigeons and things such as that.

But he never got around to addressing the origin of the species. And that is a problem that has continued on into the year 2023. And an individual by the name of Cook at the University of Leeds just one year ago said, it's not precisely known when animals emerged or what conditions they encountered in the oceans or on land.

And that really is almost the whole ball of wax, isn't it? I mean, you know, we want to know about the origin of animals before we start talking about animals. And right out of the gate, right at square one, the evolutionists, and I'm not criticizing them, but they simply don't know where animals came from.

One publication talked about the muddy origins of animal evolution. Muddy as in unclear. And this was said just two short years ago. They still don't know where animals came from. What was their origin?

Keeping in mind that Darwin never talked about the origin of species in his infamous book, he talked a lot about minor variation, which creationists don't have any problems with. Well, understanding how and when animals evolved has proved very difficult for those who study fossils.

Now, this individual is from that little Bible college back east called Yale University. And this individual is intellectually honest enough to admit they don't know how or when animals evolved. And so once again, I'm setting the stage for this whole issue of the origin of animals before we get into talking about the specific kinds of animals that we see in the world around us.

An individual by the name of Smith said in 2015, writing in the great transformations and vertebrate evolution by Ken Dial. She said, quote, while the, and there's that word again, origin of mammals has proved one set of puzzles.

The diversification of mammals is also right with questions. And the mammalia, the mammals, is a very large group of animals. And to state that they simply talk about the origin of mammals is a puzzle, I think is a breath of fresh air.

I'm glad that they said that because the alternative evolution is creation. And we have an answer as to the origin of the animals. And here's a cover of this book, great transformations and vertebrate evolution.

If you have some extra money, I would suggest that you go on amazon .com and get this book, because of what it admits and what it doesn't tell you about great transformations and vertebrate evolution.

For example, in this book that I've read this book now and they never mentioned, Ken Dial and his co-editors never mentioned, for example, one group of mammals called the bats. And if there isn't a greater transformation of a rodent into a bat, then I don't know what it would be.

But a rodent's front legs turning into the wings of a bat is certainly a great transformation, which, as I say, is not addressed in this 2015 book. That's kind of strange. This is a very religious statement.

I could never say this without kind of chuckling and I don't mean disrespectful or anything with the evolutionists. But the individual who said this is a guy by the name of Musser. And when it says et al. after his name, that means 12 other evolutionists.

So 13 evolutionists said two years ago in one of the most prestigious science publications in the world today. And that would be Science Magazine. They admitted to their, well, they didn't admit, they simply gave a, I think, a very religious statement, which is void of any kind of empirical evidence.

And that is, they said that sponges represent our distant animal relatives. Well, folks, that's quite a statement to make. And one should be ready to back that up with some good empirical research to validate such a, I'm calling it a very religious statement.

And sponges are a unique group of animals. And I liked, as an invertebrate zoologist, to study sponges. Here, for example, is a picture of a sponge. It almost looks animated, but these are simply what we call in zoology the incurrent and excurrent canals of the sponge there going into the cavity.

But when you look at this picture of a typical sponge, it might remind you of, well, it might remind you of something like, I'm not sure. But anyway, again, sponges represent our distant animal relatives.

That was said by no less than, as I mentioned, 13 scientists who believe that we have a genetic connection to sponges. And I can assure you that is simply not true. Well, this is a book by Homer Smith, and it was published, as you can see there, 1953.

And I use this as an example of gradualism because Homer Smith was a gradualist. He was an atheist. And the title of the book kind of catches you, From Fish to Philosopher. And you could also say particles to people or molecules to man.

But this whole idea of phyletic gradualism or gradualism has been around ever since Darwin. Phyletic gradualism states that macro evolution, that is the really big change, the fish to philosopher type change, is merely the operation of small change or micro evolution, which operates gradually and more or less continuously over relatively long periods of time.

Well, that's what phyletic gradualism is all about. Back in 1953, when Homer Smith was talking about it, let's go ahead and look at, oh, maybe the year 2020 and see that according to Hickman and four other evolutionists writing in their integrated principles of zoology text, the 18th edition, just three years ago, they said that gradualism is still controversial.

So this whole issue of slow and gradual change over the alleged millions and millions of years of time is not set in stone, no pun intended. It is still controversial. There are still a host of unanswered questions regarding gradualism.

This slow and gradual change, as you see in the illustration in the slide there, it's still controversial. What we don't see is one kind of animal turning into, or if you will, evolving into another kind of animal.

You know, we don't see hybrids like this. Well, I did see, well, never mind, I won't get into that. So we have these very unique animals here that we can see with Photoshop. But, you know, there's such animals, of course, do not exist.

What we believe, of course, is six literal 24-hour creation. And that in the beginning, God created one of the most, if I could say this, one of the most scientific statements that have ever been said.

And so we would go back to the beginning, thousands of years ago, to the book of Genesis edited by Moses, the 50 chapters of Genesis, that describes origins. And God was there in the beginning. He told us what he did.

Genesis chapter 1 tells us about the creation of living creatures. And God makes it very, very clear in Genesis chapter 1 that he did not use evolution. Let me repeat that. God makes it very, very clear in Genesis chapter 1 that he did not use evolution.

Well, Frank, how can you say such a thing? Because as we read in Genesis chapter 1, do you remember what it says? It says that God created after their kind. And God not only says that once, he says it 10 times.

So 10 times God tells us in Genesis chapter 1 that he created after their kind. And if that's true, and it is certainly true, God said it there in the first chapter of Genesis, if he created after their kind, then evolution is a no-show.

Evolution simply did not happen. Because God created each after their kind. And that's what we see today. No surprise there, of course. So we believe six literal 24-hour days of creation just thousands of years ago.

Camels as a Picture of Design

And so we look at, for example, camels. I like to begin with camels, and you'll find them in the Holy Land. They are prized in desert countries because they are so well designed for such conditions. From the bushy eyebrows, unique nostrils, three-chambered stomach, and tough split feet, this ship of the desert, as they call it, shouts design.

Camels are absolutely incredible in their design. And without a surprise, we know that camels have always been camels. They did not evolve from some non-camel ancestor. And I like what the Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23, you blind guides which strain in a gnat and swallow a camel.

And in those days where the Lord Jesus was teaching and preaching, a gnat was the world's smallest animal, according to people that were there. They didn't know any smaller animals than the gnat. And the largest animal they ever knew about was the camel.

So the Lord Jesus is using two teaching aids that people could relate to. Well, camels are able to withstand changes in body temperature and water consumption that would kill most other mammals. That's because the Lord has designed them to be ships of the desert.

When the camel exhales, and this is fascinating, water vapor becomes trapped in their nostrils in a group of baffles in the nose called turbinates. And the water vapor becomes trapped in their nostrils, specifically the turbinates, and is reabsorbed into the body as a means to conserve water.

Just absolutely fascinating. The nostrils can close to protect nasal passages from blowing sand. So everything you see about a camel is so exquisitely designed to withstand the rigors of the desert. And so we can see, for example, human and camel red blood cells are quite different, even though people and camels are both classified as mammals.

Unlike other mammals, camel's red blood cells are oval shaped rather than circular in shape that we see with human red blood cells or erythrocytes. This helps with the flow of the red blood cells during dehydration, which camels can experience now and again in the desert.

And right at the cellular level, we see the camels are exquisitely designed to withstand desert conditions. And so we find that camels have always been camels, as I mentioned just a minute ago. The fossil record shows no gradual evolutionary progression from non-camels to camels.

The oldest fossil camel on record clocked in at about a million years, according to some research that was published, or at least described at Fox News in 2008. A year earlier, a giant camel fossil was found that would have stood about 12 foot tall, but was only, according to evolutionists, 100 ,000 years old.

But the take-home point, at least when it comes to camels, is that they have always been camels. They didn't come from any other animal. God created camels as camels on day six. Well, I love the ocean, and I wrote a book on the oceans, and the largest mammal, the largest animal in the world, of course, is the blue whale.

Whales, Mammary Glands, and the Mystery of Lactation

And the blue whale, and I'm sorry because I do have some things on my screen here that is covering up things that I want to say, but we find that the heart is very, very large. I think it was about a half-ton heart.

We find that the tongue weighs two tons. A two-ton tongue, try and say that very, very fast. We find that the calves, the baby whales or calves, can gain 50 pounds a day. That's in a day, so that's pretty amazing.

And the calves nurse for seven to eight months, drinking 100 gallons of milk daily. Now, as a zoologist, I'm fascinated by how these calves can nurse from their mama underwater. And the Lord Jesus has designed what is called abdominal mammary slits.

And so what we find is after the baby calf is born from the mama, it goes down by instinct to find these abdominal mammary slits after it takes a breath of air, and it is able to affix between the mammary slits its mouth over the nipple of the mom.

And the mom can actually contract some very special muscles that will squirt those 100 gallons of milk daily into the calf. But what's amazing, and I like to emphasize, is that zoologists still are not sure as to the construction or as to how this exactly happens.

They simply don't know the finer details of this. And, you know, we've had whales to study for well over a century, but there's still no closer to understanding the finer points or the details as to how this happens.

Well, Frank, what do you mean? What I mean is simply this. How is it that when the calf gets that milk, it doesn't get a mouthful of seawater as well? Now we know that seawater is full of sodium, full of potassium, full of other minerals and all that, that can cause what we call an imbalance of the electrolyte level of the developing calf.

That's why people who are shipwrecked or people who are out in the ocean and on a raft, you don't want to drink the seawater because the seawater has such a high concentration of sodium and potassium, and it puts a strain on the kidneys and the individual dies literally of dehydration surrounded by water.

How is it that the calf is able to get pure mama's milk and never take in large volumes or any volume, for that matter, of seawater? That's a big mystery. Research needs to be done. But speaking of mammary glands from these abdominal mammary slits, you can see here on the screen that Hickman and three, excuse me, four other authors, so five evolutionists said, and I quote, the fossil record is silent on the appearance of mammary glands.

In other words, mammary glands, not only of whales, but all the mammals, your dog, cat, people, the fossil record is silent on the appearance of mammary glands. And this is what five evolutionists said just a few years ago.

The origin of lactation, milk production in mammals remains a complex issue, according to Ken Cardong, who is a zoologist and an evolutionist, writing in his textbook in 2012, not too awfully long ago.

And so when you put it all together, they don't know the origin of mammary glands or the lactation of those mammary glands. It is exquisitely complex and sophisticated. It's not easy at all. I've had several classes in histology, which is a study of tissues.

And we would go into detail investigating it, but it's, it is a very, very complex process. This is one of my favorite quotes when it comes to the alleged, the supposed origin of the cetacea, which are the whales.

And this is from the American Museum of Natural History, New York, certainly not the friend of the creationist by any stretch. And look when it was said, it was said just two years ago in 2021. But how and when cetacean, that is whale ancestors, became fully aquatic remains a subject of, look at this, intense debate, not just discussion, but intense debate.

We are being told over and over again that whales evolved from some terrestrial animal, you know, seven, eight million plus years ago. But this is intensely debated. And I'm only too happy to share that with God's people.

Now, why did I show the rainbow trout there? Because the rainbow trout can easily swim in the major blood vessels of the blue whale above. And so that gives you an appreciation for how big these blood vessels are in the blue whale that you can have.

Don't try this at home, but a rainbow trout can easily swim in the major blood vessels of blue whale. And speaking of blood vessels, that means that the heart, you see the quote about how big the heart is there at the top of the screen.

The heart is very, very huge. And a man got lost inside of a whale heart. And this shows him coming out after being lost for two and a half days inside the whale heart. He finally made his way out. It's that big.

Okay, I'm joking a little bit. We can have a little bit of levity, can't we, Terry? All right, good. And so this gives you an appreciation for just how big this whale heart is, you know, around a half a ton.

Dinosaurs, Dragons, and the Flood Record

Well, the origin of dinosaurs or dragons, and we at ICR believe that dragons and dinosaurs were synonymous. That in medieval times when we read about the dragons, guess what? If the earth is as young as creationists maintain, then these dragons were really just dinosaurs that resulted from coming off of the ark and migrating throughout Europe approximately 4 ,500 years ago.

But the point is, remember, Darwin's infamous book was called The Origin of Species. He never talked about the origin of species. This individual Bernardi and his fellow authors said in 2018, fairly recently, the mode and timing of the origin and diversification of the dinosaurs have so far been unresolved.

So far as of 2018, here we are in 2023, I can assure you, they still don't know the origin and diversification of the dinosaurs. This is something I didn't know, even through my undergraduate time in college, but it's the best kept secret that evolutionists certainly don't know.

When you dig down in the fossil record, the sedimentary rocks, looking for dinosaurs, the first thing you find as you're looking for them are 100 dinosaurs. You don't find their evolutionary ancestors, you just find dinosaurs.

And according to five evolutionists, how the various dinosaur groups arose is a puzzle. A puzzle, what they said in 2020. So again, very, very recently, what can we say this evening? Dinosaurs have always been dinosaurs.

And here we have a reference to some of these dinosaurs, such as what was discovered in Alberta, Canada, March of 2011. And this is a fully mummified dinosaur. Mummification, you can't have mummification lasting 66 million years or 100 million years.

But this is what was found here, a mummified dinosaur. That's as good as I would say is almost as good as finding soft dinosaur tissue. And Psalm 91 talks about thou shall tread upon the lion and adder, the young lion and the dragon shall thou trample under feet.

And so this is further evidence that dragons were animals as real as adders and lions, that is dinosaurs. And so scripture, I think, is very, very clear about that. And this gets to be exciting when you study origins, creation and evolution, and what the Bible has to say.

Like Baryonox, the Dracorex Pachycephalosaurus fossil is strong evidence that dragons were real and that the biblical record of dinosaurs and humans living together is true. We don't find them buried together because they didn't live together.

They were separated ecologically, even though they were both created, dinosaurs and people on day six. They lived in different ecological zones. And so we wouldn't expect them to be buried together in the sedimentary rock units.

Dracorex may represent a juvenile of Pachycephalosaurus. And so we see these kinds of fossils here. And we are amazed at how well preserved the fossils are, that they weren't slowly and buried by sediment accumulation spanning years or many years of time.

They're just lying in a pristine condition at the bottom of a lake or a stream or something like that. What we like to say at ICR is that floods form fossils fast. Floods form fossils fast. And the reason why, as you look at this fossil right here, Pachycephalosaurus, is that it was suddenly and catastrophically buried, like you would get with a flood.

A flood could do something like that. A really catastrophic flood. Maybe a flood that was regional or continental. Maybe a real big flood that perhaps even covered the entire planet. And so these are some of the Pachycephalosaurus fossils.

Just fascinating, fascinating. You could spend a lifetime just studying these fossils. The great sea dragon may have been an explosion producing mechanism to enable it to be a real fire breathing dragon.

And this is what it says in Job chapter 41. Canst thou draw out Leviathan with a hook? His breath kindleth coals and a flame goeth out of his mouth. Now folks right here, the evolutionists like to just laugh us to scorn by maintaining that such a thing is impossible.

And how in the world can you have an animal that would produce fire and flames and smoke and all of that? Just shows how juvenile the Bible is when it addresses issues like this. Until some more research is being done.

And I had a friend of mine who was teaching at a Christian college 20 plus years ago in Southern California. And I went into his lab one evening and he was cleaning up. He had just had a lab session and he told me to reach inside a heavy glass container.

And I did so. And I found what I was looking for. And I picked it up betwixt my fingers. In Texas, we call these fingers, F-A-N-G-E-R-Z, fingers. And I held this beetle in my fingers and I got it mad.

I got it angry. And boom, an explosion. 212 degrees Fahrenheit went off from the rear end of that beetle against the pad of my finger. And it felt hot. I mean, it was really hot. And it was what we call a bombardier beetle.

Bombardier beetles are a fact of life. Bombardier beetles are ubiquitous here in the United States, if you know where to look. And they are just a little beetle, but they are packed with a very sophisticated biochemical machinery where it takes two compounds, one called hydroquinone.

It's an organic compound. It's very toxic. And then hydroquinone was used back in the ancient days for developing something called film from a camera. Most of us probably never heard of film that went into a camera.

But in those ancient days, that hydroquinone was used to develop that film and give you pictures. And then also the second compound, which is an inorganic compound. It's not carbon based. It's called hydrogen peroxide.

Well, we've all heard of hydrogen peroxide, but the hydrogen peroxide you have in this little beetle is three to five times more concentrated than the 3 hydrogen peroxide you get at Walgreens. And so when you pour Walgreens hydrogen peroxide into a cut or a blemish, it stings.

And it produces what, Glass? That's right. Bubbles. What are those bubbles? Dave McQueen, you know what those bubbles are? Those are 100 oxygen. And so oxygen is being liberated because hydrogen peroxide has the formula H2O2.

It has an extra oxygen atom. So when you see that bubbling there, those are the extra oxygen atoms being released in a very vigorous oxidation reaction. And so, but the hydrogen peroxide that is produced in these beetles is very concentrated.

It's very toxic. And if you were to spill that on your skin, it would bubble and fizz your skin and your muscle away and you'd have nice white shiny bone. And so when you mix these two compounds together, nothing happens because you need special organic catalysts or biological catalysts called enzymes.

Well, we've all heard of enzymes, but these enzymes work at a lower body temperature and they work very, very specifically on a substrate such as, for example, hydrogen peroxide gets into a lot of biochemistry, but nothing is left to chance.

And so we find extreme biological engineering within this tiny beetle here, this bombardier beetle. What's my point? My point is scripture here is talking in Job chapter 41 about his breath kindled with coals and the flame goes out of his mouth.

Well, look what God has done with a little invertebrate, an insect that can produce an explosion at the boiling point of water very, very rapidly. And if God can put all of that biochemical machinery inside of a little beetle, I don't think it'd be any problem for him to do that with the kinds of creatures that we read about in the book of Job.

Birds, Feathers, and the Design of Flight

Well, we also have, for example, and I like birds. I did my master's research on birds and we have the, and I can't see it because I have a whole section here on my screen that's blocking out the titles.

But it includes magpies and crows and jays and perhaps Noah sent a raven from the ark due to its strong wings, about a three foot wingspan and strong vision. And it says in Genesis chapter eight, and I just gave a presentation last night, Wednesday night on Genesis chapter seven and chapter eight.

So here I am talking different group. And again, mentioning Genesis chapter eight, it's kind of fun. And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro until the waters were dried off of the earth.

So this is very, very interesting, seeing what Mr. Noah did 4 ,500 years ago, looking for dry land after the ark landed in the mountains of Ararat. Look what it says in Luke chapter 12, the Lord Jesus said, consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which neither have storehouse nor barn, and God feedeth them.

And look what it says in the 10 letters here, class. How much more are you better than the fowls? Well, that puts me on shouting ground. This is written for us. How much more are you better than the fowls?

I just love that verse. We also find, for example, and I have no idea what the title of the top of the screen says, but this has to do with the hawk. And in Proverbs, I believe that's chapter one there.

Again, it's being blocked off. Surely in vain, the net is spread in the sight of any bird. And bird vision is enormously complex and very, very detailed. It's incredible what birds, specifically the raptors, can see at great distances.

And it's all due to a structure you see there on the screen called the fovea. The fovea of the retina, the fovea is a portion of the retina, which is that portion of the back of the eyeball that has the rods and cones that you learned about in high school biology so long ago.

Remember the rods and the cones and the retina, that the retina, the fovea of the retina is responsible for sharp central vision. Hawks have been created with two fovea, the central pits with closely packed cones.

That's what the fovea is. No rods, just cones, the central and peripheral. Humans have only a central one, but God created these particular birds to have two because they're raptors and they have to hunt and they have to see exquisitely what they're hunting from great distances.

And so this is what the cone looks like here. This green object is a diagrammatic cone, seeing that it is very exquisitely designed by the creator to do what it does, and that is help with the vision of these particular carnivorous birds.

And so here we have, again, the cross section of the eye of a hawk, and we can see the retina there in the back of the eyeball, and we can see the shallow and the deep fovea that are pointed out there, showing that Jesus created this bird eye with not one, but two.

We have one, they have two of the fovea there, and it has 1 .5 million fovea for the hawk, whereas we just have a paltry 0 .2 million for us. And that fovea with the particular structures there helps the bird to see very, very well.

Well, but these are which ye shall not eat, the eagle and the ostrich, which is the bearded vulture, and the osprey, talking about in Deuteronomy chapter 14 and Leviticus chapter 11. Now these particular birds can ride thermals up to 13 ,000 feet and are able to spot dying or dead animals from that height.

That's really high up there, but because the Lord Jesus has designed their eyes to see in the way they do, they can see from that height. It's the only known bird to eat bone marrow and will drop bones from high altitude to crack the bone so they can eat the marrow.

So the Lord Jesus has designed this bird to be kind of, you know, just a kind of a cleanup. It's like the shark. The shark can eat virtually anything to kind of help with the cleanup. That's why it's important to have sharks and not kill them so they can be productive parts of the ecosystem of the ocean.

And the same also goes for this particular bird too. They have been designed to be a cleanup crew to keep the environment cleaned up from these other animals. And the pelican. Well, look at that. If you look closely at that picture, you can see a big fish in the bill of that pelican.

We're all familiar with the long bill of the pelican, the lower half having an elastic pouch. And with it, this bird can scoop up several quarts of water along with her prey. And so we are not surprised to find that, for example, pelicans have always been pelicans.

David said, I am like a pelican of the wilderness. I'm like an owl of the desert, he said in Psalm 102. He is afflicted, comparing his situation to that of three birds that inhabited the wilderness where he lived and were considered of little worth in ancient Israel.

And so what surprised them most about the ancient pelican as they were looking at it, for example, a fossil, is that it's almost identical to modern species. Well, who's not surprised? That's right, the creationists, because we understand that in the beginning, God created, Genesis chapter one, after their kind.

And so we would find that pelicans have been created as pelicans. That means that pelicans and their huge beaks have survived unchanged. Remember what the definition of evolution is? Change. When you look at the pelican or the dinosaur or anything in between, they are unchanged.

Since the Oligocene epoch, some scientists in the Journal of Ornithology, they're not creationists, they're being intellectually honest and saying, look, all we're finding is 100 pelicans. And this one individual, Dr. Bouchart of the University of Lyme in France said, it is so similar to modern pelicans, despite its 30 million years, in an interview of the prestigious BBC.

And this is the fossil he was talking about. No evidence of any kind of real vertical evolution going on with these particular birds or any birds for that matter. Pelicans in this example have always been pelicans.

And I like the swallows here. These are amazing, beautiful birds, very hard to shoot, I have to say. I shot 35 of them back in the mid -1980s. It says in Jeremiah chapter eight, yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times, and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming, but my people know not the judgment of the Lord.

And so I really do love the swallows. Like a crane or a swallow, so did chatter. I did mourn as a dove, my eyes fail when I look up or don't mourn. Lord, I am oppressed. Undertake for me, as Isaiah said in chapter 38.

And so this is a research that got published. I only say this because evolutionists like to say that creationists, number one, they don't do any original research. That's wrong. And number two is they don't make any original discoveries.

That's wrong. I discovered a new species of parasites called the nematode. And I named it Acuaria coloradensis because I found it in the state of Colorado. And number three, they say creationists never get published in peer-reviewed journals.

And that also was wrong. I got my research published in the Journal of Parasitology, along with my advisor, Dr. Gerald D. Schmidt, but I was first author in this particular research. And I was very honored to do that.

But it was very exciting to make a discovery, finding a parasite. In this example, it was a nematode, this small white roundworm that lived inside the colon of the muscularis mucosa of the stomach. And so I found that using a dissection microscope.

And so it was fun doing that. And so creationists can do research, they can make discoveries, and they can get the research published as long as they don't give it away that they're creationists. And then, of course, they're simply dismissed out of hand.