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April 22, 2020
ROGER SALTER, rector of St. Matthews Anglican Church, Birmingham, AL, who will address: “SALVATION Through CHRIST: Why is it NECESSARY & How is it EFFECTUAL?”
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I am speaking of Reverend Roger Salter who is rector of st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama and today he is going to be addressing a Topic which I cannot even think of a topic that is more vital to every human being Salvation through Christ, why is it necessary and how is it effectual?
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio reverend Roger Salter.
It's an immense joy, and I'm gonna immediately give our listeners our email address if they would like to.
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Roger before we go into this very Crucial topic today. Why don't you please remind our listeners? about st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama or Introduced this church to them for the first time if they've never heard you on the program before.
Well, thank you. Good. Did you want me to come in? Yes. I wanted you to describe st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham.
Well, and I guess the better could use is. And of course some clarification probably needs to be made when you say.
You represent the classic Anglican tradition, I'm sure that those who differ from you in theology would claim that title as well. We we do have on Opposite ends of the spectrum from you. On the one hand you have liberals and apostates.
Yeah, and then on the other end of the spectrum you have very Romish Anglo Catholics that would be a part of what is Known as the Oxford movement and the track the Tractarian movement but you would be Clearly a confessionally Protestant and Theologically Reformed congregation and also very conservative.
And I think that's the best way yes.
And that that has a lot to do with what you meant by your cram nary in in your yes Theology. Thomas Cramner is the one that drafted the 39 articles. Did he not?
Yes, he did and then it was revised late by Bishop and.
Thomas Cramner if anybody does not know who he is. I strongly urge you to go to the iron sharpens iron website after this show is over and go to the archive where it says past shows podcast and Click on that and then you could type in the search engine Thomas Cramner and You will get all the interviews that I've done on the subject of this hero of the Christian faith including at least one perhaps more with Ashley.
No, I've interviewed Dr. Ashley. No. No a number of times, but I think perhaps only one is specifically on Thomas Cramner. Yes there and he is considered one of the The greatest living scholars on Thomas Cramner, would I be correct in saying that?
Absolutely and when I use the term Cranmer as my right thinking it's really the document forming and there's always what I believe is. So many people do but again, I would say that will claim hooker. Huh?
Yes, I remember on one of my previous interviews and I can't remember who I was interviewing. It was an Anglican though. It might have been you and a listener was protesting that the true Anglican Church is much more Anglo Catholic than we were describing.
Yes, and he was he was bringing up in his defense hooker.
Well, you see there's a misunderstanding I think and I think as it is in minister with Anglican Church.
And by the way, folks if you're looking up Thomas Cramner in the iron sharpens iron radio search engine. His last name is spelt C R a n as in Nancy M as in Michael er. Sometimes I even mess up when I'm spelling his name and I put the M before the N.
Usually done.
Fascinating figure from church history. That is not spoken about often enough in my opinion. Perhaps he is. Very often within Anglican circles, but I'm speaking of others who still love the heritage of the Protestant Reformation.
Outside of Anglicanism. They should still know about this man who? Out of fear for his own life when the Church of England swung back to Roman Catholicism He recanted his reformed beliefs and Then he the guilt got too much for him and he recanted his recantation and Went returned openly to his reformed beliefs for which he was executed.
And He even had his hand thrust into the flames first before being burned alive. He had his hand thrust into the flames that signed his recantation of the reformed faith.
So and he actually ran ahead and the lovely thing about him are the denominations and another thing.
I'd like you to describe about your worship. As you know, the Anglicans are divided between high church and low church and the Great Anglican. Bishop J. C. Ryle, I believe was a low churchman and Stephen Ting who was a pastor here in the 19th century in New York City very reformed.
Theologically, he was a low churchman, but are you a bit higher than those men?
We do but because it's right. Amen and.
By the way, I'm planning on Mentioning this later, but for those of you who either live near Birmingham, Alabama or you Are going to be visiting there perhaps? Visiting with friends family loved ones down there vacationing there.
The Website for st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama is st. M Anglican dot Weebly Weebly .com. That's st for st. M for Matthews Anglican dot weebly .com and hopefully we'll remember to Mention that later as well.
And in fact, I think I I Remember what you the the great were you speaking about a bishop here in the United States? I was McIlvaine. Yeah, that's it. Yep Yes, I interviewed the.
Author of his biography. You had Tom Isham on. I believe yes. Yes. McIlvaine and also top lady. Yes.
Augustus top lady. Yes, and by the way, you can get them from solid-ground-books .com. I should always plug a Ministry that is very responsible for us being on the air. In fact, you are a very close mutual friend of Mike Gaydosh the founder of solid ground Christian books.
Absolutely before he moved. Yes. Yes. In fact, Mike was the one.
Years ago when I had the show Broadcasting out of New York on Long Island WNYG and WGBB Mike was the one that urged me to interview you. So this topic that we are Discussing today is perhaps the most important topic That I could ever have Discussed on this program.
Salvation through Christ. Why is it necessary? And how is it? Effectual. Well, why don't you start with. First of all, why don't you start with a definition of salvation? It's obvious when you speak with People who are outside of the Christian faith They very often really don't even understand that word.
It's thrown around a lot as a as a buzzword. And very often when well-meaning evangelicals Are evangelizing the lost they will they will say things to them like you need to be saved. You need to be saved and they don't they never really define What that means.
Perhaps that would be wise to start with salvation what it would it actually is.
Yes. No, as I've said before.
I am one of those Probably rare talk show hosts that likes his guests to have the spotlight on them. Because I have guests on my program for a reason. They're supposed to be the expert on an issue. We're addressing and Therefore I'm not one of these talk show hosts that has a need to constantly interrupt the guest.
So please be as thorough as you find necessary.
One of the reasons as you know.
That this Subject is so vital. Is that we? tragically have inherited a sin nature from Adam from Adams from his fall in the garden and We are conceived in a state of sin. There are professing evangelicals who believe that we are born or even conceived innocent and That we are perhaps a clean slate Morally neutral and that we just learn From our parents and from those around us after we're born.
We learn how to become sinners, but we are by nature sinners Ourselves, are we not?
Absolutely, and I think a companion truth was absolutely the magnificence of them up against us because they've not had our nature. Daily lives normal. Yes, and we.
Also on top of that Having a sin nature and the scriptures are clear that in the flesh We cannot please God. And I don't understand our Arminian evangelical friends who believe that They share with us an understanding that we are born in a sin nature.
Yes, but they believe that someone Who is born in with a sin nature is still? Quote-quote. Good enough that they can summon up from themselves a Faith that is pleasing to God and that faith saves them.
And We know as reformed Christians that the Bible is clear That we are so depraved in our being not that we are as Not not that we act out our depravity. Our depravity is Wickedly as we could because God is restraining us.
But we could never prior to a rebirth Even have any desire of turning to Christ. We we wouldn't even view ourselves as in need of a salvation. And it required doesn't it require a heart transplant where our heart of stone is removed in our heart of flesh is Replaced within us by God himself.
Yes to know for a second or two in the creation of that is some thought that that never occurred to me until you just.
Said.
Yes before our regeneration this is where.
Not only some reformed people misspeak and also where many if not most Arminians Have a caricature. A false caricature of reformed people is that they think we are teaching that man doesn't have a will at all and that we are forced against our desires to sin or Forced against our desires to believe upon Christ and be saved and both of those are false.
Isn't it true that we Our will is basically Inseparably attached to our nature so therefore before we are saved We will to do that which makes us happy or that we will to do that which gives us pleasure and that is self-serving and Unsinful and then we are finally liberated and enabled to Freely and joyfully follow Christ because we have a new nature.
We have a new heart.
We have to go to our first break right now.
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This is Chris Arntz and if you just tune us in our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Roger Salter who is rector at st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama a low church and thoroughly reformed 39 articles Anglican congregation today.
We are addressing salvation through Christ. Why is it why is it necessary and how is it effectual. And our email address is Chris Arntz and at gmail .com. Chris Arntz and at gmail .com. Before we continue with the thread of thought we had before the break.
We do have a listener in Asheboro, North Carolina. He's a very faithful listener to this program and very faithful financial supporter of this program. His name is Grady and he says hi brothers Chris and Roger.
Growing up Southern Baptist and later becoming a Reformed Baptist I always thought the Anglican Episcopalian and Lutherans were all liberal and had left the faith. One of the reasons I love iron sharpens iron so much is because Chris has had believers like yourself.
And I'm so excited to have brothers and sisters in those denominations that I have kept. The tenants that have kept the tenants of the faith. I have grown in love with the writings of JC Ryle and I've also started reading books about church history.
However, I'm confused when you talk about high and low church. Would you please explain what this means? Are you there a brother. I am.
My church retained. Well, let me be a little bit.
You are from. You're actually from Tasmania. People might wrongly think you're British because you do have a British accent at least.
To my American ears you do but you're from Tasmania, right? I built a raft and sailed away. The isolation of our island bothered me deeply. The way. Local news and local of his intention among a number of truth.
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Yes, what was his name? Oh, yes, right. That's why the Anglo Catholics are called the Puseyites. Right, they're sacerdotal. I have met and even interviewed.
However. Some thoroughly Calvinistic and thoroughly Protestant Anglicans who are high church. Being high church doesn't automatically connect you with Anglo Catholicism. Am I right. Because I have.
Right. It can be high church. Yes. In fact, let's pick right off where you're leaving off here about your evangelical seminary because we have to go to our midway break.
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That's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. And give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter and Right before the break Roger you were go you were mentioning how you went to an evangelical seminary.
And we were in the middle of a discussion on a high versus low church. And if you could respond in fuller detail right where you left off about the evangelical seminary. Where you attended?
Well, I Chris well, I don't want to get too much carried away with how they knew that they don't know anybody else. And one thing that I'm sure you agree with especially after hearing what you just said is.
That I have witnessed something that saddens me greatly. I have witnessed people who profess to believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. Who profess to believe in the true gospel. Who profess to be personally Evangelical and Bible-believing Christians who believe in the inerrancy of Scripture and so on.
But they will join or at least frequently or weekly attend a Church just because they love the high liturgy and the high liturgy. Trump's everything else and I know I know Bible believing or at least those that profess to be Bible-believing Christians who will even attend An Episcopal Church that has more of a high church liturgy.
Even if that church is apostate. Because they just love hearing and participating in the liturgy that goes on now. I have to be quick to add here. I know of some very biblically faithful congregations in the Episcopal Church USA, which is the Most liberal of the the denominations in that family of churches, but there are some holdouts some Faithful churches that even believe in under 39 articles and so on.
There is debate over whether they should remain in a denomination like that. But The vast majority in this day and age of Episcopalians, it seems have caved in to apostasy and So don't you think it is wrong for people to put their love of liturgy in a top priority that Trump's everything else.
Would I say it was wrong? Absolutely. Idolatry. And can I play the organ in his right?
Yes, and if anybody out there listening has the ear of Tucker Carlson on Fox News he openly admits that he has a disdain for the liberalism of the Episcopal Church USA and he only attends a Worship in that denomination because he loves the liturgy.
So people should people should inform Tucker. That there are conservative Bible-believing Scripturally faithful Anglican churches out there with a liturgy that he would love Equally as much and in fact, I believe there are some not far from where he lives I mean he lives in Washington DC and I believe that there are some very close to that.
Area, there's some very good church. We have a question from Andrew in Dalton, Georgia.
Which reminds me that we have a guest tomorrow who is the pastor of the Kinsley Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia? Roger I'm sorry. Andrew says hi brothers Chris and Roger. I Also have come to love and appreciate Bishop JC. Ryle.
My question is in the American denomination. It is my understanding that the name Episcopal from the Greek Often translated as Bishop is to is so used in reverence. And I'm sorry in reference to the governance or polity of the church.
Why and or how is the term emphasized in the actual governing of the church or.
Overseer too. Well, thank you Andrew and.
Make sure you listen to the program tomorrow when we have pastor Ron McKinney on pastor of Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton Georgia, so thanks for listening. I'm Going back to the centrality of our conversation.
Yeah, must we not always make sure that nothing even comes close to eclipsing the gospel when we are prayerfully choosing a church. Too many people have as a priority the size of the church whether it's Extremely large or some prefer it to be tiny but many prefer joining a church just because they love the the.
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The the church band.
Orchestra.
Or music in general or because they have a lot of programs for the little children to be involved in. Then all these things may be nice, but they should never even come close to eclipsing The preaching of the word and the faithfulness of the church to the to the scriptures, am I right?
Yeah, that's that's just quite a shame.
But I think it would be wise for us also to have you I don't remember you Explaining this at the beginning of the show and I don't think I asked it but tell us about the fellowship from which St. Matthew's Anglican Church of Birmingham, Alabama comes.
I know that you have different independent churches that that identify themselves as Anglican and also those who are in certain fellowships that have either broken away from the Episcopal Church USA or have just Formed a fresh as a Bible-believing independent group of believers a fellowship of churches.
If you could tell us more about where st. Matthew's is coming from.
Well, you can speak freely on my show. I don't have any hang-up about that.
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Hierarchy. And I'll read the second one after that. Well, obviously you don't have any Hierarchy outside of your local congregation since you're independent. But what is generally the practice as far as a church polity when it comes to Anglicanism?
Right, and I sure anyone speaks. Of course. Because I think that man before God. Calvinistic. Of course the predestinarian to the core. I'm not making a boast.
Well, that was a very powerful message that you gave and I agreed with every word if I could I will intertwine our listeners. I will intertwine our listeners second question to what you just said because yes Ian's the first-time listener and I would like to Pay him the respect of at least having something that he asked answered.
So you want to be impolite? Well, what you said is obviously more important than anything that we can think of but he asks How does the above meaning church polity allow for theological? Differences with the main body of local church bodies and this is how I'll tie it into what you just said.
And you are obviously independent Because there is too wide of a spectrum in the existing Anglican bodies. Typically that you are not comfortable with you just revealed your serious disdain for Arminian ism and Pelagian ism and Obviously, you don't you don't want to identify with either Oxford movement Romish Anglican ism or apostate liberal Anglican ism.
So when it comes to the gospel, is that why? You have remained Independent because you are so protective of that core essential eternal truth of the gospel.
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Congregations from that tradition. I know there are others.
Great. Well, it's been such a pleasure having you on the program Roger and if you could stay on the phone After we go off the air because I want to book another interview with you. Well, I have the calendar right in front of me and I want to thank everybody who listened today.
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