April 22, 2020 Show with Roger Salter on “Salvation Through Christ: Why is it Necessary & How is it Effectual?”

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I am speaking of Reverend Roger Salter who is rector of st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama and today he is going to be addressing a Topic which I cannot even think of a topic that is more vital to every human being Salvation through Christ, why is it necessary and how is it effectual?

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio reverend Roger Salter.

It's an immense joy, and I'm gonna immediately give our listeners our email address if they would like to.

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Roger before we go into this very Crucial topic today. Why don't you please remind our listeners? about st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama or Introduced this church to them for the first time if they've never heard you on the program before.

Well, thank you. Good. Did you want me to come in? Yes. I wanted you to describe st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham.

Well, and I guess the better could use is. And of course some clarification probably needs to be made when you say.

You represent the classic Anglican tradition, I'm sure that those who differ from you in theology would claim that title as well. We we do have on Opposite ends of the spectrum from you. On the one hand you have liberals and apostates.

Yeah, and then on the other end of the spectrum you have very Romish Anglo Catholics that would be a part of what is Known as the Oxford movement and the track the Tractarian movement but you would be Clearly a confessionally Protestant and Theologically Reformed congregation and also very conservative.

And I think that's the best way yes.

And that that has a lot to do with what you meant by your cram nary in in your yes Theology. Thomas Cramner is the one that drafted the 39 articles. Did he not?

Yes, he did and then it was revised late by Bishop and.

Thomas Cramner if anybody does not know who he is. I strongly urge you to go to the iron sharpens iron website after this show is over and go to the archive where it says past shows podcast and Click on that and then you could type in the search engine Thomas Cramner and You will get all the interviews that I've done on the subject of this hero of the Christian faith including at least one perhaps more with Ashley.

No, I've interviewed Dr. Ashley. No. No a number of times, but I think perhaps only one is specifically on Thomas Cramner. Yes there and he is considered one of the The greatest living scholars on Thomas Cramner, would I be correct in saying that?

Absolutely and when I use the term Cranmer as my right thinking it's really the document forming and there's always what I believe is. So many people do but again, I would say that will claim hooker. Huh?

Yes, I remember on one of my previous interviews and I can't remember who I was interviewing. It was an Anglican though. It might have been you and a listener was protesting that the true Anglican Church is much more Anglo Catholic than we were describing.

Yes, and he was he was bringing up in his defense hooker.

Well, you see there's a misunderstanding I think and I think as it is in minister with Anglican Church.

And by the way, folks if you're looking up Thomas Cramner in the iron sharpens iron radio search engine. His last name is spelt C R a n as in Nancy M as in Michael er. Sometimes I even mess up when I'm spelling his name and I put the M before the N.

Usually done.

Fascinating figure from church history. That is not spoken about often enough in my opinion. Perhaps he is. Very often within Anglican circles, but I'm speaking of others who still love the heritage of the Protestant Reformation.

Outside of Anglicanism. They should still know about this man who? Out of fear for his own life when the Church of England swung back to Roman Catholicism He recanted his reformed beliefs and Then he the guilt got too much for him and he recanted his recantation and Went returned openly to his reformed beliefs for which he was executed.

And He even had his hand thrust into the flames first before being burned alive. He had his hand thrust into the flames that signed his recantation of the reformed faith.

So and he actually ran ahead and the lovely thing about him are the denominations and another thing.

I'd like you to describe about your worship. As you know, the Anglicans are divided between high church and low church and the Great Anglican. Bishop J. C. Ryle, I believe was a low churchman and Stephen Ting who was a pastor here in the 19th century in New York City very reformed.

Theologically, he was a low churchman, but are you a bit higher than those men?

We do but because it's right. Amen and.

By the way, I'm planning on Mentioning this later, but for those of you who either live near Birmingham, Alabama or you Are going to be visiting there perhaps? Visiting with friends family loved ones down there vacationing there.

The Website for st. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama is st. M Anglican dot Weebly Weebly .com. That's st for st. M for Matthews Anglican dot weebly .com and hopefully we'll remember to Mention that later as well.

And in fact, I think I I Remember what you the the great were you speaking about a bishop here in the United States? I was McIlvaine. Yeah, that's it. Yep Yes, I interviewed the.

Author of his biography. You had Tom Isham on. I believe yes. Yes. McIlvaine and also top lady. Yes.

Augustus top lady. Yes, and by the way, you can get them from solid-ground-books .com. I should always plug a Ministry that is very responsible for us being on the air. In fact, you are a very close mutual friend of Mike Gaydosh the founder of solid ground Christian books.

Absolutely before he moved. Yes. Yes. In fact, Mike was the one.

Years ago when I had the show Broadcasting out of New York on Long Island WNYG and WGBB Mike was the one that urged me to interview you. So this topic that we are Discussing today is perhaps the most important topic That I could ever have Discussed on this program.

The Nature of Salvation and Human Sin

Salvation through Christ. Why is it necessary? And how is it? Effectual. Well, why don't you start with. First of all, why don't you start with a definition of salvation? It's obvious when you speak with People who are outside of the Christian faith They very often really don't even understand that word.

It's thrown around a lot as a as a buzzword. And very often when well-meaning evangelicals Are evangelizing the lost they will they will say things to them like you need to be saved. You need to be saved and they don't they never really define What that means.

Perhaps that would be wise to start with salvation what it would it actually is.

Yes. No, as I've said before.

I am one of those Probably rare talk show hosts that likes his guests to have the spotlight on them. Because I have guests on my program for a reason. They're supposed to be the expert on an issue. We're addressing and Therefore I'm not one of these talk show hosts that has a need to constantly interrupt the guest.

So please be as thorough as you find necessary.

One of the reasons as you know.

That this Subject is so vital. Is that we? tragically have inherited a sin nature from Adam from Adams from his fall in the garden and We are conceived in a state of sin. There are professing evangelicals who believe that we are born or even conceived innocent and That we are perhaps a clean slate Morally neutral and that we just learn From our parents and from those around us after we're born.

We learn how to become sinners, but we are by nature sinners Ourselves, are we not?

Absolutely, and I think a companion truth was absolutely the magnificence of them up against us because they've not had our nature. Daily lives normal. Yes, and we.

Also on top of that Having a sin nature and the scriptures are clear that in the flesh We cannot please God. And I don't understand our Arminian evangelical friends who believe that They share with us an understanding that we are born in a sin nature.

Yes, but they believe that someone Who is born in with a sin nature is still? Quote-quote. Good enough that they can summon up from themselves a Faith that is pleasing to God and that faith saves them.

And We know as reformed Christians that the Bible is clear That we are so depraved in our being not that we are as Not not that we act out our depravity. Our depravity is Wickedly as we could because God is restraining us.

But we could never prior to a rebirth Even have any desire of turning to Christ. We we wouldn't even view ourselves as in need of a salvation. And it required doesn't it require a heart transplant where our heart of stone is removed in our heart of flesh is Replaced within us by God himself.

Yes to know for a second or two in the creation of that is some thought that that never occurred to me until you just.

Said.

Yes before our regeneration this is where.

Not only some reformed people misspeak and also where many if not most Arminians Have a caricature. A false caricature of reformed people is that they think we are teaching that man doesn't have a will at all and that we are forced against our desires to sin or Forced against our desires to believe upon Christ and be saved and both of those are false.

Isn't it true that we Our will is basically Inseparably attached to our nature so therefore before we are saved We will to do that which makes us happy or that we will to do that which gives us pleasure and that is self-serving and Unsinful and then we are finally liberated and enabled to Freely and joyfully follow Christ because we have a new nature.

We have a new heart.

We have to go to our first break right now.

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We are addressing salvation through Christ. Why is it why is it necessary and how is it effectual. And our email address is Chris Arntz and at gmail .com. Chris Arntz and at gmail .com. Before we continue with the thread of thought we had before the break.

We do have a listener in Asheboro, North Carolina. He's a very faithful listener to this program and very faithful financial supporter of this program. His name is Grady and he says hi brothers Chris and Roger.

Growing up Southern Baptist and later becoming a Reformed Baptist I always thought the Anglican Episcopalian and Lutherans were all liberal and had left the faith. One of the reasons I love iron sharpens iron so much is because Chris has had believers like yourself.

And I'm so excited to have brothers and sisters in those denominations that I have kept. The tenants that have kept the tenants of the faith. I have grown in love with the writings of JC Ryle and I've also started reading books about church history.

However, I'm confused when you talk about high and low church. Would you please explain what this means? Are you there a brother. I am.

My church retained. Well, let me be a little bit.

You are from. You're actually from Tasmania. People might wrongly think you're British because you do have a British accent at least.

To my American ears you do but you're from Tasmania, right? I built a raft and sailed away. The isolation of our island bothered me deeply. The way. Local news and local of his intention among a number of truth.

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Yes, what was his name? Oh, yes, right. That's why the Anglo Catholics are called the Puseyites. Right, they're sacerdotal. I have met and even interviewed.

However. Some thoroughly Calvinistic and thoroughly Protestant Anglicans who are high church. Being high church doesn't automatically connect you with Anglo Catholicism. Am I right. Because I have.

Right. It can be high church. Yes. In fact, let's pick right off where you're leaving off here about your evangelical seminary because we have to go to our midway break.

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