January 15, 2021 Show with Eric Nielsen on “Sermons Are Not For Spectators: Glorifying God by Hearing His Word”

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This is Chris Arnzen wishing you all a happy Friday on this

15th day of January 2021 and I

just want to say that I am thrilled to have back on the program for the first time since

November 24, 2009.

It's been 12 years since I've had my guest on today and I'm

thrilled to have him back.

He is the backbone of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

He is the man behind the scenes that keeps things running without this man.

The program could not exist and I'm speaking of my webmaster Eric Nielsen

and Eric has faithfully served Christ Church not only as my webmaster but as

an elder in a biblically sound church and I have

long been wanting him to return but because of his busy schedule we were just not able to do it

until now and I'm so thrilled to have him back on the program to discuss sermons are not for

spectators glorifying God by hearing his word.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Eric Nielsen.

Thank you Chris.

I'm glad to be here.

I'm going to give our listeners our email address right away.

It is chrisarnzen at gmail .com if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own c -h

-r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live

outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter

and usually we only have first -time guests.

Provide a summary of their testimony of salvation which would include

the religious atmosphere if any they were raised in and the kinds of providential circumstances our

sovereign lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and save them.

But since it's been so many years since Eric has been on the program I think it would be a good idea for

him to repeat a summary of his salvation testimony so that our listeners will be more familiar

with him.

And Eric if you could tell us about your story.

Sure

it's

interest in

to hear

and

understand for for many years but

when I entered my teen years I um I rejected the teaching

that I

had had

like

the

like the

teens

had a a wrong

path a young woman that I was interested.

Oh yeah.

I remember mike wonky.

I saw him when I was a very new christian at a very very charismatic church

on long island new

york.

Yeah I mean

he was uh he was

of my work.

He's

a patient of the gospel but I I understood.

I believed in

the in the lord

jesus christ.

I

think

we have my

our mutual friend uh uh dr james

white

apologetics

ministry

online of my own and ran into uh dr james white.

Uh earlier on in my uh my christian life I had met a number of calvinists online and

so I was.

I was shocked when I went to james white's chat channel and found that it was full of calvinists.

Because I I knew from my previous experience that calvinists were.

And uh whatever uh dissuaded you from that

truth.

What

exactly

are these these five points of calvinism.

And I I think

that I already believe through

my my own uh reading of the gospel of

free

chapter

nine

that uh that

seems even

though it's not

it seems

so recent because I remember.

When I was working for calvary press part -time uh before I had my

own radio show and um I was still an account executive at

wmca radio and although I was filling in on occasion uh

for andy anderson the late andy anderson who was our in -house talk show host at

wmca a an affiliate of the salem media corporation the largest radio

the largest christian radio network in the world.

Although I was filling in for andy and booking many guests for him I had

not yet launched my own show.

But I could still remember as if it was yesterday being all excited that

calvary press was publishing this book

by dr james r white the potter's freedom defense of the

reformation and rebuttal to norman geisler's chosen tree.

And I think that was the first calvary press book uh that they published by

james.

And man I can't believe it was that long ago and that you were still an armenian initially when

that came out

you are the third uh webmaster for

iron trupman's iron radio and no one listening

will ever know the depth of my gratitude to you and to god

for you for all that you do for iron trupman's iron radio.

Uh folks like you never get the credit do them.

Or the honor and respect do them.

And I just remembered that it was truly an answer to prayer when my second

webmaster had to resign from that

very important volunteer position because of a serious health problem

he had with one of his adopted children and that children's that child subsequently

died from a very rare illness and it was a it was

a quite a tragedy and very quickly the lord brought you

into the picture uh volunteering to be my third and

thankfully still current webmaster.

And uh I just want to thank god uh for you again and thank you personally for

jumping uh at the opportunity to uh be such a crucial

part of iron trupman's iron radio.

How did you even discover iron trupman's iron radio.

I'm assuming it was through james white.

Somehow yeah it was uh it was.

In new york oh you definitely were because well i know that you were

listening back then because.

You were a guest back then.

That was the last time you were on was 2009.

Sure sure that that was a.

Little.

That was a little further on though.

Yeah.

That was four years after we started.

I think it was uh james swan was.

Wasn't he your webmaster.

He was the initial webmaster.

Yes.

Yeah.

And uh.

But we would

be recorded each day automatically and then we uh gave those uh

those mp3s to put them up and uh.

That's right.

You know i've forgotten about that.

That's right.

James white and alpha omega ministries were responsible for recording all of our shows.

Initially

right.

Yeah yeah that's why the um

the very first year when we were not doing that.

Thankfully uh i had saved uh and i i probably

tried to save all of the cassette tapes of the uh recordings of the live

broadcasts that were going on in the first year but i

lost the vast majority of those tapes uh.

I think i lost them when i lost access to a storage locker due to a

delinquent bill back in some very trying days.

And thankfully though i had saved through god's providence

a couple of crucial ones like my interview with dr rc sprawl and dr john

macarthur who i think i interviewed even before.

Dr sprawl and uh.

And you have those uh archived on the uh what do we call those

uh on the uh on the website.

Um oh what are we calling them now.

Greatest hits or something.

Blast blast.

I think we're calling the blast from the past.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah they're uh unfortunately that

we have mp3s for often.

I would

recoil and

horror

hearing some of those.

Like erica can you get that off the website please.

But uh you have chosen uh a subject today that is

uh i think a rarely addressed subject and a

vitally needed subject to address.

And that is sermons are not for spectators glorifying god and by hearing his word.

And one of the reasons why it is so rarely

addressed i think is that if a pastor is preaching on this subject he may

risk having the appearance of blaming uh his hearers

for not benefiting from his messages.

So he may feel too awkward to deliver a sermon on that subject.

And you have many hearers you have many of those in the pew who

will probably more often than not if they glean nothing from a

sermon they will immediately blame the preacher for this.

Which may be a very reasonable response.

It may be an accurate response because the preacher whoever it may be might

be very ungifted might be very inarticulate maybe biblically

illiterate and maybe just a horrible preacher even if he's a genius.

There are men out there who are scholars and theologians and authors and geniuses who

make unfortunately horrible public speakers.

And i won't mention any right now.

But i've seen in conferences some very famous people who are brilliant

who i have benefited much from an incalculable amount

from their books but who were absolutely horrendous when hearing them

speak.

So there's there's all different reasons why this subject isn't addressed very often at least to my knowledge it's

not but it definitely should not immediately

unless you already know because of the track record or you're

very familiar with the person preaching and you happen to be somebody that is

a seasoned christian who has proven in his life and his

sanctification to have benefited much from many sermons.

So therefore you're not just totally deaf to the

the truths being preached from a pulpit but there are.

We should not be immediately necessarily accusing the preacher or the pastor

for being at fault when we don't glean something from a message.

And i think that's a sin for most christians.

I have heard plenty of christians gossip and backbite a pastor after a sermon

and i'm not going to say that that's where i am attending now or i am a member.

But over the years i have heard that and i've even heard that from people after i was utterly

blown away and blessed in ways i can't describe hearing a message and then i hear

people oh that was horrible.

I'm like excuse me.

But anyway uh so what what compelled you first of all to want to address this subject.

Well i uh

actually these my

my timeline may be a little bit i remember it being

uh an article by uh

somebody

from

the

nine

marks

he

had

i think

i

had

maybe

20

in

mine uh to

preach

on sunday and and

and then

one or two sets of

hymns and

uh when

we come back from our first break i want you

to.

Define your terms here.

Because obviously uh unless you are in a charismatic or pentecostal church and

perhaps even sometimes the pastors of even congregations within those movements

don't want necessarily people thinking uh well uh

since i'm not supposed to be just a spectator i'm going to raise my voice and i'm going to

prophesy.

And i'm going to do all kinds of things during this sermon whether or not anybody thinks i'm

interrupting the preacher or not.

So you could have an extreme reaction to that.

In some circles that's typically not what you're going to see or hear in a reformed church

but i want to have you define what you're discussing when you're specifically saying that sermons are not for

spectators.

And again if anybody is interested in sending in a question of your own our email address is chris arnzen

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Our guest today is eric nielsen uh who is uh thanks

be to the mercy and grace and kindness of god is the webmaster

uh here at iron sharpens iron radio.

And i cannot thank him enough for all he does.

And i am not exaggerating uh to say that this program could not exist without

all that eric does.

We are discussing sermons are not for spectators glorifying god by hearing his word.

And eric if you could uh if you could define your terms what do you mean by the

sermons are not for.

Spectators specifically.

Okay um so the the reason that i

chose uh is that i i wanted to emphasize

hear a sermon and uh i'd like to talk what

i mean by that what is a what is when we listen to a

sermon preached in

the we are not

and

that you know you the tv

because you just need to veg out.

A sermon is not about that.

A sermon is it requires

us to

fight

against

the their

minds what they

want to tell them what they will buy and they give their attention how markets

come into these places of worship.

They do not know what they want they come they know not what's

the place or

we come

to.

I do

have a question from a listener one of our uh most faithful

listeners uh loyal listeners and also generous regular supporters

financially of this program grady from ashborough north carolina.

And uh i have to enlarge grady's email because the font's very small.

Greetings chris and eric.

A few years ago i realized that i was in a rut.

When it came to congregational worship i realized that the main reason was me.

My heart wasn't prepared.

I found that i must start examining myself long before i attend the services

that the purpose of the service is to worship god and glorify the true and living

god.

Therefore i must be ready to repent of any sins grow in the grace and knowledge of our lord

willing to obey what i hear and go out into the world with the

gospel.

Do you agree with this assessment.

And are there any other aspects i may be leaving out.

Wow well.

Meet you last year.

Uh yeah i i agree um completely with uh

with what you just said.

So yes i

i guess

maybe add to uh what you've already said.

And uh sure uh

to talk about

that go ahead.

Um and particularly in in the sermon and the

preaching and a grady also already made at that

point.

What we what we see when we come to the

sermon.

And uh when he uh when he uh wrote to

timothy.

And second timothy uh he describes scripture.

Uh and he he said

in righteousness

that the man of god may be equipped for every good work.

Um and uh that he's using

by god

as people.

We we breathe in the air.

And then when we are ready to speak we we breathe that out in

our.

That he's giving to timothy when he says that all scripture is breathed out

by god.

And he says

in training and righteousness the man of god

may be

complete scripture

being sufficient.

Christ jesus

who

is to judge the living and the dead and by his

appearance and out

of seasonations and

teaching

make a charge in the presence of god and jesus christ and by

his

appearance

breathed out by god

that

is

god's

the

kingdom's things.

In one place the king doesn't want to go all over the place and give his

message.

He takes

that message.

He writes it

these men who are his.

And that message

it's

not

to demand

to

be

that

herald

hearing

god's

repairing

god training

from

the herald.

We have uh an anonymous listener.

The anonymous listener says i know that this is not a perfect science where

you can give exact number of months or years but when do you

think a person should know it's time to leave the church where they are after.

They have been thoroughly convinced that the fact that they are not learning or

benefiting at all from sermons being preached where they are is not their own fault by

being a poor learner but is indeed because the man.

Preaching should not be doing this as a

calling

in his life.

I've done

it

once in my

was not uh

faithfully

was not

uh and uh.

It might be

hard if you have a man who

is not performing as a and

who is you

can apply that

to your

yeah and

obviously a key

part of what

the

listener

was.

Saying is that he has to rule out that he is not the guilty party

that he is not perhaps so exhausted

from staying up too late at night that he he can't even pay attention during the sermon or that

he lets his mind wander too much because he is all

wrapped up in other things in.

His life.

And in the world.

Uh there

being the

congregation

remains angry

if possible.

Yeah

i'm.

Going to uh god willing uh have at some point within

the next several weeks uh dr joel beaky return to my program

uh because he has written a book called pastors and their critics a guide to coping with criticism in the

ministry and i think that would be a great segue to what we're talking.

About today uh but yeah that is that is a very

recommended.

Yes.

Well if dr beaky's listening.

And maybe news to him because i said i'm going to try to get him on again.

Uh he was just recently on the program uh not discussing this book.

But uh people do have to be very careful uh

that they are.

There's all kinds of reasons why somebody might not be benefiting from a sermon even when the pastor

is superb as i said even in my own life i have heard profound

sermons that had me rattled to my bones had me examining my heart

had me rejoicing uh to the lord for his grace and

mercy.

Uh that i have learned from as far as things that i never saw in the scriptures before and yet i

immediately after that same message i've heard people say that was a horrible sermon like excuse me were

you at the same church.

Uh so there are all kinds of reasons and some of it can be that people want to have their ears tickled is it

not.

I mean in fact why don't we pick up on that when we come back from the break.

Uh the danger of wanting your ears tickled to just wanting to hear what you want to hear

not wanting to have your conscience bother you.

Because your sins are being uh denounced from the pulpit.

And sometimes people have even thought that a pastor was publicly gossiping through

his sermon about individuals in the congregation because they were sure that that man is talking about me

personally when that had nothing to do with the reason why the pastor was preaching on it he was just bringing up something that

was in the word and in the course of his expository preaching he brought up

those specific sins and so on.

But anyway we'll have you pick up on that when we come back.

And if anybody else wants to join us our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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I hope that many of you join me on thursday january 28th

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And as you may remember eric before the break i was starting to say

uh one of the reasons that we have to rule out before blaming the pastor of the

church where you may be a member for being inadequate in his

preaching and teaching got to rule out that one of the ways it could be the hearer's

fault is that they want to.

There are people that do not ever want to hear about sin

and repentance of sin and the warnings of hell uh they don't want to hear about god's

wrath.

They don't want to hear about god's chastisement of his children.

They don't want to hear how we can bring trials upon ourselves through a disobedience.

Although that's not always the reason why christians obviously go through trials.

Some of the finest and most godly and seasoned christians go through the worst of trials and have

historically done so even to the point of torture and death.

But but there are reasons that sometimes we bring these things

into our own lives and upon ourselves.

And and i'm sure that quite a number if not nearly everyone that fills

those giant stadiums where joel osteen preaches.

I'm sure those folks are not going to want to hear true biblically sound sermons

that that are a clarion call to repent and believe and

that contain warnings of damnation and so on.

So if you could pick up where i

left off there on

that i mean the somebody might not

but he might not

act.

Indeed it

can't

you

want you

don't you need to.

You

need to

repent and

believe in

in

teaching.

Uh where the

time is

coming when people will

not

endure

after you

use a

particular

and by.

The way i just want to let our listeners know that i'm not making that up that that happens if they have not

experienced that in their own midst or even in their own heart and mind.

I can still remember vividly when i was a fairly new christian uh wasn't that new of a

christian because i was already uh at least dating my late wife.

I may have been married but uh one of her friends was visiting the church where i

was a member and right in the middle of the sermon she got up and she walked real fast

outside of the building and i actually got up and followed her into the parking lot and i said is

everything okay.

And she said your pastor is talking about me in public and gossiping about my

personal life and i don't like it at all.

And i said i don't even think my pastor knows you that.

Well that has nothing to do with why he's why he's saying these things.

It's a part of the scripture he's exegeting he has to warn about sins and

just so happens.

The holy spirit might be talking to you because your specific issues were being mentioned but she wouldn't have any of it.

She was convinced he was gossiping from the pulpit and she drove anyway.

Sorry about that.

Do you

have any other uh

practical

advice and

counsel

that

you uh

as someone

who

has been an.

Elder in a church for many years uh and may uh become one again

as you move on because i know that your previous church uh not so long ago shut its

doors where you were an elder not because of you but uh as

you pursue uh your your walk with christ uh in the future that that

perhaps that will be a calling of yours again.

But having that experience what other counsel can you give our listeners

about how to make sure that not only their lack of

benefiting from a sermon is not their own problem but also how to make sure

that they absorb and glean the most benefit from a a message

when we are sitting there in the pew and listening to the the word of god.

Opened and

proclaimed not uh

not

treating

the sermon 33 30

to one another each two has

come and they sit before you as my people

and they hear what you say the talk in their mouths they act

things lustful state the

covenant the people of israel

who

ezekiel.

To the

audience

it comes

sermon

amen.

We have to

view and we

have to

realize

that when

we are

in that church building or.

Wherever we are might be an outdoor uh service or somebody's home

but wherever we are hearing the word proclaimed we have to remember this is

worship.

And and our mutual dear friend dr james or white of alpha omega ministries.

Perhaps you've heard him say this as well but i've heard him on on several

occasions even when he's been a visitor at churches speaking that

one of the things that he hates to hear the most right before he gets up to speak

is to hear the pastor of that church or the music leader or whoever happens to be

making the announcements and the introductions.

Say now that we've concluded the first portion of worship

uh in the the service today uh we are going to have dr james or white come

up and speak and the worship hasn't concluded.

When the person gets up to speak.

When this when the preacher the teacher the the guest speaker gets up to speak.

That is perhaps the most important part of the entire worship.

Service and the most important aspect of worship.

Is it not.

Absolutely.

Yeah i love hymns and i

love some

of the

new praise songs that from

god when

we

learn from him when we

uh understand and and

our lives he

desires uh and and that uh really listening to the sermon is is the beginning.

Of that worship.

And we have uh susan margaret in dauphin county pennsylvania

who asks.

Obviously there are people who are hearing things preached and taught from a

pulpit that they are not learning from or refuse to learn from because they

have come to view what they are hearing as not being biblically sound.

Isn't that though a tricky situation.

Because on the one hand people should be berean and making sure that the preacher or teacher

is truly proclaiming the word of god and that he is not inventing things or guilty

of eisegesis.

But at the same time a person may be thinking that they are hearing falsehood because they

themselves prior to getting to this specific church where they are now have been

wrongly taught and perhaps even brainwashed into believing things that aren't true.

How can these folks who are disappointed or disgruntled or angry

about what they are hearing make sure that it is not their own fault due to their own

heresy or aberrant understanding of the bible.

Give him

the

opportunity

maybe get a

why he

has

said

something

that

he has

said

sometimes to

explain every detail.

Preach a pad highlight and what

details you may need to leave out for

already

preaching on so that

you will maybe have questions even before this and

bobby in.

Hartsdale new york says don't we have to confront our pastors or the

preachers or teachers that we believe are failing us in humility grace and love

privately if we are going through this period.

Where we just do not believe we are benefiting from what

they

are

preaching

he misunderstands.

That goes with never goes with everything in life.

When we are oh absolutely we believe that we are being sinned against or when somebody is doing

something that's hurting our feelings or whatever the case is we have to man up

or woman up and do the biblical thing as is spelled out in the

gospel of matthew and other places.

We have to privately uh and graciously and with humility

bring these things to the attentions of people.

And sometimes it may be a complete misunderstanding on our part when

we are hurt or believe we're being sinned against.

Sometimes it may be because of the fact that i mean in this day of

texting and twitter and email when you can't hear a

person's emotion uh or you know see a facial expression.

Obviously this would be different from a sermon but i'm just saying that this is one of the reasons why many people get

into conflicts and arguments and and break up friendships because they just totally

misunderstand each other.

And we have to be able to confront them in love.

Yeah we

have to

go to our final

break right now.

And it's going to be much briefer than the other breaks.

If you want to send in a question please do it quickly before we run out of time.

Chris arnson at gmail .com.

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We are now back with eric nielsen and eric if you could.

I want to make sure that you uh let our listeners know all that you would have them uh

know at least all that we have time left for you to tell them.

That is most important in regard to sermons are not for spectators.

All right.

We could

we could

have you back to do that.

By the way.

Yeah we might go ahead and do that.

I think.

Uh i will go ahead and that

he has

to

proclaim

in my

own life spend

time with

it

read

it at

least one knowing the

pattern.

Of course uh.

In addition to that i'm

assuming you

would agree that

it'd be wise for.

People to have a excellent uh commentary that has stood the

test of time like matthew henry's commentaries uh which people can

when they have their bibles open reading that portion of scripture ahead of time that the

text will be based on or that the sermon will be based on for them to go through.

A good commentary also to see uh what the great oracles of

god from the past the great men of god like matthew henry have uh believed these passages

mean.

And of course they are not god -breathed they are not inerrant and infallible.

But it is a good guide to have not only your your current day teachers and preachers from your own

church but to have these great men of god that the church has been.

Blessed with centuries ago.

Yeah

that's

a good

reminder.

Is that

easier for you.

And you've got.

About uh two minutes uh any other last words that you care to share.

And so that our folks can our listeners can prepare for this sunday's message that they're about to hear.

Well i'll uh i mentioned.

I had four books

that

i had

read

well uh

remember

solid -ground -books

.com

uh and

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Thank you so much eric.

And we cannot we must make a pledge that we will never wait 12 years to have

you back on the show.

I've i've thoroughly enjoyed interviewing you and uh we've got to have you back on a

lot more regularly.

And i look forward to our next uh visit with you.

And in fact we could set something up right away when we go off the air.

I want to thank everybody for listening today.

I want you to all have a very safe and healthy and blessed

weekend and christ honoring lord's day.

And i hope you all remember for the greater savior than you are a

sinner.