Bruce Jenner Is Still Here, Then Leighton Flowers and Colossians 2:12

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Started off with stories about California and Michigan pressing the woke gender ideology that is a plague upon us all. Then, finally, as promised almost two weeks ago, I got to Leighton Flowers and his “Calvinists cannot answer Colossians 2:12” argument and discovered that in fact it seems it is the Provisionists who have to struggle with that particular text. Next week we are back on the road once again, so prayers for traveling mercies and physical strength and health are most desired and appreciated!

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You know you've got it you just Every day you're just left going What on earth is going on you may have seen this morning, or I think it actually started yesterday
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Okay, yeah, yeah, I'll get to you There's a bunch of folks that have requests in for programs and stuff once I once again on the road
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I'll be trying to fill in evenings and doing some stuff like that um But but Bruce Jenner Having said that probably means we can't post this on Facebook, um, but Those of us who live in the real world
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And who are alive during the Olympics in the 1970s? And hence do not want to deny
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The past and reality and history and stuff like that. I mean is the guy who won the gold medal in the
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Decathlon is is he still alive You know yeah,
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I mean Anyways the person formerly known as Bruce Jenner You know saying that California a b957 which is a very very important issue it's amazing when
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California is behind other states in Progressive leftist insanity but Jenner saying you know a b957 is is horrifying government overreach
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Parents are losing their young child being transitioned by another parent after the parents divorce You know we've seen this in Texas But now they're trying to put make it a law in California that basically if you have a custody situation the parent that buys into the absurdity of the gender ideology and again
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I Suppose young people think this is the way people have always thought they don't recognize how new and Naive and childish all of this is and how opposed to reality and history and everything else
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Aside from it being just blatant rejection of the Creator's right to define his own creation but these laws
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That are being proposed You know it's it's fine for Bruce Jenner to say
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I'm a conservative. I I don't think we should be doing this it's like Sir you're also a grandfather
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You're a grandfather You didn't become a grandmother You can't just decide
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I'm a grandmother You have to earn that There there is a covenant there is a relationship that is involved in being a grandfather and a grandmother and You can't be a grandfather one day and the next day go hey
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Guess what to make me feel better to fulfill my sexual fantasies
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And my view of myself. I'm now your grandmother and then turn around complain
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About government overreach in this area you greased the skids for this When you appear on what what was the
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Vanity Fair or whatever it was in your lady makeup You don't think you weren't a part of making this normalized in the
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United States Sorry you got You know if you are really serious about this then put a suit and tie on cut your hair
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Readopt the the name you were given when you were born and say this is insanity
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That's what you need to do Till then you've just got
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Sorry, you got nothing you got nothing and once again. I just gotta say Chris Honholtz when
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Chris decides to sit down and Write out his thoughts about something.
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You know he's wrong about the elf stuff. We all know that and So everybody has their one area of where they just dig in their their heels and stuff
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But on all sorts of other stuff he's he's a sharp sharp cookie and Someday, you know what's gonna happen
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Here's my prediction, you know I hope doesn't happen soon, but you know probably something's gonna happen with old
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Chris He's gonna have to be in the hospital for a while And you know I remember in 2016 I I had to be in the hospital for a few days, and it wasn't pleasant
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And that TV's on and it's about your only friend and what's gonna happen is
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He's gonna be like in one of those You know when they they put you in what they call Twilight. You know you're not really out, but you're and Elf's gonna come on and So he's gonna have to listen to the whole thing but nothing you can do and Then it's all over because then he'll realize
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I was that was actually a cute story, and that was sort of funny and and but I really didn't need to end up with three different full -size elf cutouts
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My house just because I was sticking I was putting my you know anyway
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I'm actually trying to say he wrote a really good thread on Twitter about the
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Bruce Jenner stuff and Again I I think he used the proper pronouns and did you notice
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I listened to the briefing this morning what just happened Rich what just happened
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It's it's it's like the world just faded out I'm not it rich is playing with things and when rich plays with things things can get really weird, so Sorry But on the briefing this morning, and I've noticed it for a couple days now
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When he made reference to William Thomas the swimmer
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Who I will not call Leah Thomas because that's it's a denial of God's creative lordship over Mankind it's it's a it is a
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I have joined the to be nice to you. I will join your delusion Type thing and that's not being nice to anybody that's
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It's foolishness but I noticed that he said the individual who identifies as Leah Thomas and I I Think it's probably because in the past he has read
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Some articles and it drives me crazy when alleged conservatives Just to get by Go ahead and join the delusion
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It's it yeah, it's really really bothersome But all of these
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Did Twitter is the only place we can get away with it we can actually Speak according to reality
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We are literally at the point in Western culture where in the majority of The avenues by which you can address what's going on in society
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You will be shut down and censored if you do not simply do
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Newspeak because that's what it is. Let's call it. What is this is newspeak? And again, if you haven't read 1984 yet, what's wrong with you?
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I Mean haven't you heard those of us who have Going how did he get all this right?
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Doesn't it all interest you to read a Book from the late 40s.
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I believe I think it was published in the 50s But it was written in the late 40s fire call or my even published in late 40s and I think about it
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Anyways long time ago Doesn't it fascinate you that that someone saw all this coming whether it's 1984 brave new world
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Fahrenheit 451 this perfect day all of these
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Dystopian novels that are coming true right in front of our eyes Almost like they're being used as a playbook
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But 1984 especially focused on a key element that many of the others did not and That is the centrality of language
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You had was called newspeak and newspeak sought to Get rid of excess words
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Words that could be used to describe beauty all the different and I've I've got admit we might have a few too many words for colors
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Because half the time You know my wife will say that's mauve and I go was marvelous.
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I don't even know What do you not identify? Okay, who knows but newspeak?
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Was meant to serve the state It was meant to communicate
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What the state wanted you to think and It kept changing as the state kept changing as the narrative kept changing and That's what we're facing today, that's what
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Google does today Google today Uses newspeak and newspeak is
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You call Bruce Jenner the guy who won the gold medal in the decathlon
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That I was rooting for from my front room What find out what year it was at 74 76 okay.
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Well that may have been why it was so big because it was device. It was bicentennial year, too right
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Okay, yeah Mark Spitz have you seen him selling Old people stuff
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Mark Spitz Yeah Did it remind you about how old we are now
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You were 11, okay. All right fine anyway, yeah
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Mark Spitz hey until just recently he had all the all the records long that that line and then this other guy who again
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How absolutely absurd would it be what was the other what was the new guy I Know I know
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I know He won so many gold medals. It wasn't even funny He was just so fast.
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So so powerful and you look at the yeah Phelps You look at the wingspan on these guys.
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I mean those I mean, they they look like they could pop up and fly.
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I mean, it's just it's astonishing Can you imagine how absurd it would be? You know, he's done now.
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He's retired But if he came back as a woman even now at his age
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There isn't a woman alive that could get within a lap of him and you know it
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Yeah, I think this thing the same thing would happen with Michael Phelps That's what I just said
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You do I wasn't talking about spits I Wasn't talking about spits. I know I'm making it funny.
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Sorry No, it's like that Michael Jordan joke about whether or not he could beat LeBron And he said maybe by a couple of points and they like really only by a couple of points.
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He's well, I'm over 60, right? Yeah, I know. Yeah, I could could could the Bulls have beaten, you know
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Modern team is I well by a couple points. I call the points. Yeah. Well, we're all over 60 now Yeah, that was a good very good response anyway, can you imagine the absurdity of that?
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Because he could do it if he came back as a woman right now, even though he's retired There isn't a single female body that could keep up with him.
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Nope. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it and everybody knows it so the absurdity of that that's what with us what we're facing and Every once in a while you see these
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These poor people, you know There's that one senator
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Who's just he's he honestly he looks like he walked off the set of green acres
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Yeah, yeah, it's different it's different Kennedy than the other other guy It all you know, very yes.
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Yes, and Could you see I put a straw hat on him a straw stick put him in in in overalls and and have him rocking on the oh man, he would be
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He'd be mr. Haney. He could be mr. Haney. That's right. Let's see.
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I can remember. Mr. Haney. Why? Why is this? Why is everybody getting to watch you and I get old on on YouTube?
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We've never thought that this would happen Anyway, sorry He was he was asking questions of some people about this and You know, we have that young beautiful young swimming summer lady
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Riley Gaines I think is the name Sorry, well She's really smart and of course she has a great story because she was there she had to experience all this stuff with That guy
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No, I'm not no don't there was a reason why I wasn't doing that And but there's some other woman testifying and And when you press these people it is just so embarrassing
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To listen to them doing mental gymnastics it It's amazing
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Anyway, um two things real quick and then we got to talk about Colossians 212 and the stuff like that I I realized that article titles book titles aren't necessarily
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Assigned by authors I've had I've written articles and submitted them to various publications and then
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I See it published and I'm like I Didn't come up with that title.
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I don't know who did and nobody asked me about it one way or the other but Gender cultists make a move for California's children.
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This is from compact magazine and What caught my eye about it other than how important the subject is is was written by Abigail Schreier now
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Abigail Schreier wrote irreparable damage irreparable harm mother to anyway, um
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That's a book that I read years ago now and I've recommended it to everybody else and I'm sure she could only make it much longer and more in -depth now than just a few years ago
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Because there are many more detransitioners out there Going what on earth did you people do to me?
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I was only stinking 13 Which is true,
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I would love to see a tidal wave of Lawsuits Coming at all every single person in the quote -unquote medical community who is involved in mutilating the bodies of children,
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I Would love to see them all bankrupted in a just society We'd be running out of tree limbs right now.
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We really would be Um, but That's that that's that situation but if Abigail Schreier is saying gender cultists
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Because she tried to be she's not a Christian. She's Jewish and she really tried to be as Journalistic as possible in her book and I think the years since it's come out the way she's been true the way she's been attacked the way she's sealed the scene that Hey These people aren't concerned about health or anything like that They the only concern they have is money money and power they're making money and they're destroying the cultural fabric and Very understanding of humanity that has made
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The West what it once was which it isn't any longer unfortunately, so She's written an article for compact magazine gender cultists make a move for California's children and this is on The issue this is a b957 again directs family court judges to award custody based in part on quote a parent's affirmation of a child's gender identity
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Endquote which the bill defines as intrinsic to the quote health safety and welfare of the child and quote.
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This is putting the ins utter insanity of gender ideology, which is
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It is insanity. It is immoral. It is unethical It is childish.
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It is destructive There is no room for saying this is one valid view amongst many valid views.
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No None whatsoever That's a b957 and this is happening at the same time
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That we have a federal judge and again if God wants to judge a people he gives them unrighteous judges our
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Legal schools have been taken over by Marxist ideology by a godless
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Secular naturalism for decades so we should not be at all surprised
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That we will get decision after decision after decision that will end up at the
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Supreme Court because the decisions are not based upon any kind of reading of the
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Constitution in an in a meaningful fashion, obviously Progressivists think that's the last thing in the world you should do but they'll all end up at the
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Supreme Court and eventually you steal enough elections and You Use the university system and the public school system to create enough utterly unformed
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Individuals what I mean by unformed you have to form a system of morality and ethics based upon your worldview
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Based about how you understand what man is what the world is is their purpose is there not purpose
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You know I've actually had people complain that we You shouldn't use the term worldview because that has this connection and that connection look.
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It's it's a simple Fact that we have to be able to discuss
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How men and women view themselves and the world around them and how all this relates to God?
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Well, there is a purpose or anything else there was a worldview that that was at the foundation of the writing of the
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Constitution The United States there is a worldview that formed the common law in the United Kingdom all of these things are givens
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They're not even they're not even arguable it's just a fact and So worldview is a perfectly good term to utilize
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To ask the question. What does this person think about themselves the world around them their creator?
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Or is there no creator at all these determine everything? We are formed morally and ethically on the basis of the application of the higher levels of our worldview now if you start with man, and there is nothing higher than man, then you can't have anything above man and That's one of the main problems.
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We're facing today We see that all around so these
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Judges they don't have worldview that is even slightly commensurate with that of the
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Constitution and So we have a federal judge who has struck down the
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Arkansas duly established law Passed over the governor's veto hence by a large majority
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Banning the mutilation of children and That judge is doing is not judging on the basis of the
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Constitution or something like that That judge is doing What a b957 does we are going to take this?
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Ideology we are going to take this absurd self -destructive
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Transgenderism and we are going to cram it into law Even when the law is saying the opposite we're gonna cram it in there.
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Anyways, that's what that's what they're doing that's that's what's going on here and This judge has made the claim that this type of Medical intervention is necessary and Helpful and healthy and all the rest of stuff.
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I just want to sit there and go Okay, all right, you want to say that show me the 20 30 and 40 year safety studies on the effect of Lupron You give you give a 10 year old kid
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Lupron to stop the onset of puberty the natural development We know what
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Lupron does. I Saw an article just this morning about the impact of Lupron shuts down So many key developmental systems of the body mental bones bodily systems hypothalamus
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You are Absolutely Sentencing this child to a life a diminished life of Being a medical patient Oh medical patient.
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Oh, I Wonder if they'll if the insurance companies be forced to pay for all of that. I wonder who'll make money off of all of this
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You are sentencing these children to a life of unhealth
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Disease, can you tell me that you know the impact of Lupron in regards to cancer?
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No, you can't but here we have an idiot an immoral pygmy
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Saying oh, we know it's safe and it's healthy and it is absolutely
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Astonishing that these people can even look at themselves in the mirror in the morning
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The things that they are doing To children in our own country.
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This is the country that defeated the Nazis and look what we're doing and Should it surprise us that all that much given how many millions and millions and millions of innocent children have been murdered in the womb if The life there doesn't have any value.
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Hey, and then the thing in Boston.
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I don't know if you've read about that. Oh they've
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Firefighters respond to a call and They go into public housing into an apartment in public housing
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They find a dead body in an absolute filthy
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Apartment and about seven or eight Biological males dressed as drag queens in the apartment and When they push far enough they find out they're hiding a
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Whole group of five to ten year olds in a back bedroom that they won't tell them about I'm sure everything was just fine there
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Because we know there's no sexual perversity with drag queens and here's where we are now
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We don't have a Justice Department anymore in the United States once the people who are supposed to Prosecute the laws become themselves committed to a worldview that hates
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God and hates his world We are already seeing it aren't we one set of rules for those if you're in the party
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Those are your rules and you're good. If you're not in the party. These are your rules and there's no way around it
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There's not gonna be a justice for you. Anyways, we're just gonna put you away 1984 all over again again again again and again
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So you've got the California gender cultists and then at the same time in Michigan Proposed hate speech law in Michigan threatens
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First Amendment rights conservatives warn. Well, yeah good a Bill moving through the
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Democrat controlled Michigan State Legislature again monoparty once you have one party.
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They're just Would make it easier for prosecutors to bring in Felonious hate crime charges against dissidents speech.
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I know a lot of people who go. Oh, don't even worry about this We know this is in violation of the Constitution.
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It's gonna be struck down And I just keep going How how long do you think this is gonna last?
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How long do you think that that thin thin thin barrier of one justice?
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Who's getting older? It's gonna last Because as long as you keep stealing elections, you're eventually gonna be able to pack the court whether you have nine justices or 90
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It doesn't matter You're gonna be able to do it and it's not gonna take long. We're talking years here maybe months
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The possible implications for preachers school administrators teachers parents politicians and citizen activists have alarmed conservatives
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Concerned about the effect the bill may have on free speech to propose legislation HB4474 Would more amend the state's
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Ethnic Intimidation Act of 1988 In order to consider it a hate crime if a person is accused of causing
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Severe mental anguish to another individual by means of perceived verbal intimidation or harassment
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Just think about who we're talking about here think about the people that are enforcing these laws This entire program would be considered
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Verbal intimidation or harassment because we're talking about morals and ethics on an objective level and if you're a person that rejects the objectivity of morality or ethics that could be very intimidating and it might make you scared and you might have to go to your safe space and So big brother will come along And save you
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The amendment defines the words intimidate or harass as a willful course of conduct
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Involving repeated or continued harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized frightened intimidated threatened harassed or molested what what does what does a reasonable individual mean
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Whatever the judge wants that to mean Whatever the judge wants that to mean A vague and subjective standard.
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Yes, exactly. That's exactly what it is Under the proposed statute intimidate and harass can mean whatever the victim or the authorities want them to mean
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The focus is on how the victim feels rather than a clearly defined criminal act This is a ridiculously vague and subjective standard and that was the words of David attorney
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David Coleman the Great Lakes Justice Center so Yeah, Michigan, it's it's like these leftist states are just trying to outdo each other
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Washington Gives the state the power to take your kids away California's got to get there and do it do it even bigger and better and so Michigan comes along hey, watch what we can do we can get rid of the
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First Amendment real fast and That's exactly what they're what they're doing. That's The situation we face in the world today.
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All right, let's shift over here It's interesting to me when
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I when I first saw this and again, I'm sorry, it was been almost two weeks and Other stuff got in the way.
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Um, oh Did someone?
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Did someone inform Chris? Yep, yep
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Hahaha Chris is listening so Chris is now very worried that He's going to end up in the hospital someday and his friends his friends will come in and They're in the
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TV on and steal the remote So he has to watch Elf You know given some of the drugs they give you these days you might really enjoy it much better You know, you never know
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I mean it could help we're just trying to be positive here anyway Colossians 212 look this is
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When when I saw this Somewhere again somewhere on Twitter and and I saw
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Calvinist can't answer Colossians 212 and I'm like Uh When I hear that, you know, it's like when you hear
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James 220, you know You just you automatically know what the general
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You probably talking to a Mormon and we're gonna be talking about justification and we have to explain
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Justification for a man justification for God, you know, there's there's just you know there's all this stuff starts popping into your in your mind and And honestly
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Until now the only thing that popped into my mind when Colossians 212 was mentioned is the fact that me and my
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Presbyterian brothers Disagree on the application of this text
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Because John Calvin Considered this central to his
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Identification of baptism and circumcision the connection between circumcision to the
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Old Covenant and baptism the New Covenant in a Calvinistic understanding of pato baptism
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This is this is one of the very key texts you will find it being used by a large majority of the
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Pato Baptists on Facebook or wherever else you you follow it you follow a thread
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From Pato Baptist Colossians 212 is gonna come up. It really is and so I'm like How can that be something that Calvinists can't answer because it's normally
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Calvinists that are arguing On two different sides of the pato baptism issue and I've never heard
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Layton flowers do anything about pato baptism at all So I watched the video
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To figure it out so let's let me just remind us of the text and I'll play a minute or so of the video so you get the
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Idea of what the argument is so again We've just had you know for in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form
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Colossians 2 9 in him you have been you have been filled who is the head over all rule and authority in Whom you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands so in whom oh
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Okay in whom You were also circumcised with a circumcision
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Made without hands in the removal of the body the flesh in the circumcision of Christ. So it's really 2 11 and 12 because the the controversy that we have here in between Reformed Baptists and Presbyterians is
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The connection that is made You have in the circumcision of Christ Having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised up with him
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Through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead So there having been buried with him in baptism
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So you've got circumcision in in 11 And then you have being buried with him in baptism in Which you were also raised up with him through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead and so there is this old covenant concept of circumcision and the new covenant concept of Baptism and So you you you say the one functions in the new covenant the way that Not completely because obviously male female issues come up, but it functions as a sign and The old covenant sign becomes the new covenant sign in baptism.
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The old covenant sign was given to Well again only a certain Part portion of infants but We push all that aside and say no the connections there now
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I did a sermon on this section I don't know eight nine months ago. Maybe Maybe a little more.
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I'd have to go back and look at Apology as part of the baptism series if you want to get something a little bit more
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But Let's try to follow this first and well, man, you need and let's let's go ahead and Let's just play this and then we we can go go back to it.
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Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I Don't know where this is going to go
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Nope, it needs to go there so hopefully now
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You'll get the audio. We will see in a minute All right. Do you believe that one, you know rigid we're talking about regeneration proceeding faith
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So do you believe one is raised to new life so as to have faith? Yes, okay, but in Colossians 212 it says you were raised with him through your faith
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So it sounds like through faith means that's the instrumental means by which were raised with Christ How do you explain something like that?
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And I give you a second to open it up if you need to Okay, so so here's here's the argument
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If I understand what was just said The Argument is that when we look at having been buried with him in baptism in Which you were also raised up with him through faith in the working of God So it seems that Layton is turning this into an ordo salutis
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Taxed a order of salvation and Saying see you were raised up with him.
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And so he's making that regeneration rather than being raised up in baptism so this raising up is becomes right regeneration and So It says through your faith.
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Well, it it it it's just death taste pistos and it's through Faith in the working of God the one
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Who raised him? from the dead so I guess the argument is that raised up here is regeneration and So faith has to be before regeneration
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To make this work in Colossians 212, I guess that's what the argument So there's there's the
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Layton flowers argument Back to the text in whom you were also
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Circumcised with a circumcision made without hands. What is that? What is that now?
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I Don't know what Layton flowers thinks that is. I've not seen you know, maybe somewhere he has some
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Two and a half hour long four hour long a discussion of Colossians 2. I don't know
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Maybe that's why he does shorts now Does the short little short things? Let's say I can't do something in less than two and a half hours but I'm not sure how non reformed people understand
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Colossians 211 in Whom you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands in The removal of the body of the flesh in the circumcision of Christ, what is that?
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What what's being referred to here and who's accomplishing it? It seems like it's a divine act It is the circumcision of Christ hence it is not
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Made with hands So it's not the physical act of circumcision this is regeneration, it's the removal of the body of the flesh and It is in Christ that you receive this and only in Christ and It's not something you did to yourself.
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It's not something you allowed to be done to yourself. It is something is done to you You were also circumcised
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So here's your this is an heiress passive you were Circumcised with a circumcision without hands.
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So what what is that? That's the work of God That's that's a divine work has nothing to do with faith
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It's not dependent upon some act of man, it's not it's not something you your free will cooked up This is a description if you are a believer if you are one of those who are described here
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Ever said in whom you have been filled You have been made full Who is a head over all rule and authority if you're one of those folks then you this is this is what makes all believers equal with one another is
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That they have experienced this divine act of The circumcision of Christ the removal the by the flesh
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What what does that mean? well again Fleshly body in the sense of that corrupt nature this is something that God does and Having been buried with him in baptism.
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Does baptism precede faith? And if we're gonna try to turn this into an order of salutist text
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Because what he's doing now is he's taken the spiritual reality of the circumcision of Christ Which You have the he's using the
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Old Covenant language there Which is Interesting that you have an tape her to me to Chris do
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But that's not language you're gonna find in the Old Covenant but in its fulfillment the circumcision of Christ, it's something that Christ accomplishes and The picture we have of that is that we have been buried with him in baptism
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So if we're going to try to say, oh this is all this is all meant to this you got the golden chain where you
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Specifically have the argument being made. God did this God did this God did this God did this God does this and the result is this?
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It's meant to be taken that way you can't take it any other way This is a different subject being presented here, but we will take
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Layton's word for it and say okay. This is an order of salutist passage, okay Having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised up with him through faith and working of God.
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So Baptism came before faith, right? So I'm sure that Layton flowers is baptizing Unbelieving people all the time, right?
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And if we're gonna make it an order of salutist passage, right? Yeah, it doesn't work does it? No instead
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He switches Paul switches from the Old Covenant language of Circumcision and now
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What is the New Covenant? fulfillment of circumcision It's regeneration.
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It's not Baptist. It's not physical baptism physical baptism is simply the picture It's the picture of the circumcision of Christ What Christ does in removing the body of the flesh in How he's you know, look at look at how it then is it's fleshed out and you being dead in your transgressions
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And you uncircumcised your flesh. He made you alive with him having graciously forgiven us all our
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Transgressions having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us which was hostile to us He has also taken it out of the way having nailed it to the cross.
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That's all Christ's work And as normal as is so often the case
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What you have in the con in in the conflict here are the synergists starting with man and trying to go upward from there rather than seeing texts like this that are all about Christ and what
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Christ is accomplished and how there is a unity in The body at Colossae because they are all the recipients of this work of Christ this circumcision of Christ So their baptism then becomes a picture of this spiritual reality
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So while we are baptized in the water That's a picture of what are having been united with Christ in his death in his burial and Then in which you were also raised up with him
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Through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead so When we come out of the water when when we go into the water
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We are symbolizing that we are going to be laying down that old life that that's already what has happened and So we are buried with him
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But every person I've ever baptized and I've baptized a lot of folks and And not all of them proved to be
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Faithful to the end shall we say I can't look into their hearts when
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I baptize them I Asked them certain questions. They give certain answers
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Complexity of the questions will be dependent upon the age of the individual obviously But I can't look into their hearts
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But every single one of them that I've baptized Had to exercise faith that I was gonna pull him back up out of the water that wasn't gonna leave him down there at a bubble as as I like to say and So you are you are exercising an element of faith in being buried
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That There is going to be what the working of God in raising you back up so when you're saying
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I Am trusting Christ There is a picture of that in baptism
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There is there is both the picture of I'm dying
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But then The resurrection life doesn't come from me I'm not raising myself back up I'm being raised by another so I've been united with Christ in his death burial and resurrection and That is a statement of faith on my part
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Living the real living faith, but it's it's faith in the working of God and What was the working of God the circumcision of Christ?
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removing my my body of My dead fleshly body So the only the only faith here that is mentioned is is my faith in the working of God Now, maybe maybe it's possible the latent actually believes that it is my faith
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That allows God to work That would fit probably with a synergist
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Rather than the picture of baptism of being lifted up by another
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The synergist could really put faith into somehow you're lifting yourself up.
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I suppose I Don't know It great.
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Yeah, God granted permission to raise him from the dead. I guess. Yeah, I suppose that's possible But that doesn't make that really doesn't make any sense.
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Obviously There is nothing about the faith here Being the mechanism that allows
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God to do something we We are proclaiming our faith when we are baptized.
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We were saying I believe in Jesus Christ so we are But but the the the physical act is meant to picture the spiritual reality that was already laid out in verse 11 and Would be explained even more the foundation of it in verses 13 and 14
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So to turn all this first of all turn all this into an order saluted so dispatch it doesn't make any sense Secondly the only thing that faith is speaking of here is not through my faith, but through faith in the working of God and That working of God has already been defined as the circumcision of Christ Which is the removal of the body the flesh and the mechanism of that is that well you being dead
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Isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing that you can take a text
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That and point to verse 12 and say see your faith your faith is what leads to your being raised up and that's right before verse 13 and you being dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh
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He made you alive with him by your free act of faith
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Not there, but when you are absolutely wedded To the centrality of man to the controlling
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Power of man, then you find it you you just stick it in there. It's like what they do to John 6, you know
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Stick stuff in there. It needs to be there You being dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh and What what happened that flesh?
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circumcision of Christ he He's removed that pictured in baptism He made you alive together with him.
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Are you is it seriously being suggested that well? He made you alive with him because you were choice meats and You were more humble than others and so you positively responded to the gospel message and enabled him
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To make you alive with him again We respond positively to the gospel message, but why do we that's the whole issue?
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Why do we and It all boils down to in this situation what we're dealing with here in this situation
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Is it from the synergistic perspective? Why do you and not somebody else because you are more spiritually sensitive?
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You are more humble and If spiritual sensitivity and humility are good things you're better than somebody else
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They can they can sit and try everything they can to get away with it get out of it
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But to answer the question why one and not the other? Why two people sitting there hearing the same message one rebels one accepts
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Choice me not choice me Humble not humble So he made you alive with him having graciously forgiven us all our transgressions, that's
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That is the graciousness of sovereign salvation and It does not for a second make my faith and Irrelevancy And you say well, but if God has to enable you
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God has to enable all of us for everything. It doesn't make it irrelevant He canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against this which was hostilist
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He has also taken out of the way having nailed it to the cross. And so I have to ask again for our universal atonement proponents
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You have to believe That this is true of everyone and so where do you make the break because if you're if you're saying
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That God has and you being dead in your transgressions is everybody then circumcision your flesh is everybody and Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against this which is hostile to us is everybody
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He is also taken out of the way having nailed to the cross is everybody Then you have to say he made you alive with him is everybody and Having gracious and forgiveness all our transgressions is everybody and you are a universalist and there are lots of universalists out there
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And that's exactly how they understand the text most of you have never run into a universalist and Most people who call themselves universalists, especially the universalist
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Unitarian Church all the rest of stuff there They don't care about any of this stuff, but there are Conservative universalists
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That actually think it's important that you look at what the Bible has to say and that's how they argue this.
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That's exactly how they argue this So the universalist can be consistent the
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Calvinist can be consistent, but the sinner just has to go Has to play pong bing bing bing.
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I'm gonna go there there. It's just You can't walk through it just like you can't walk through John 6 and John 8 and John 10 and Ephesians 1 and Romans 9
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All those types of things there as well. So Colossians 2 is a tremendous text and and again my response to my pato -baptist brethren is what you're missing is the
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It's not that it's not physical baptism That is the corollary to circumcision.
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It's regeneration. It's what Christ does in removing that body the flesh circumcision of Christ That's the important part of it at least amongst us reform folks but when you see someone saying well
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Calvinist can't answer Colossians 2 11 you can pretty well guess that some kind of set of presuppositions are being factored in from the back door shall we say and They don't they don't work too well, so there you go
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We I promised that I would get to it and I put it off for a while I apologize for having had to do that So as we wrap up our last
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Program in this studio for I think almost
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I think it's be like five weeks A 33 day trip including
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ELY, Minnesota But Your prayers for safe travel would be very much very much appreciated
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That's a that's a lot of a lot of driving. I figure I've got good 11 12 ,000 miles
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Worth of pulling to do by the end of this year, so it's a lot of time out there
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Playing bumper cars with with the truckers and everything else But that also means that Lord willing
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Tuesday evening well Tuesday at some point We will be
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Doing our first program from the mobile studio I Have to Tell you that I pulled all of that beautiful rock background off the wall and crumpled it all up and Sent it to the city dump
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I'm going to really do my best to have the new part of it up And hopefully not falling off the wall
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By the time we do the first dividing line Obviously things could get in the way, and if it's just the plain old wall back there the light world's like a man
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Richard pie appreciate it because I then I probably would have the light on and So he'd be very happy and he'd be playing with stuff in the background and doing things like that But I think
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I should have the time Because it's it's in strips, so if you've done this before you know what it takes
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To have it look Right it takes work and If I'm gonna be using this new spray stuff to where it'll stay on the concern is once you stick it you only have a little while to be able to move it and You know if you haven't done it before it can be a frustrating experience it really can be but I'll do my
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I'll do my best to get it done get it done well and Like I said looking forward to doing the programs rich was in the unit
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I don't know how many hours yesterday about eight something like that And it's not like we changed a whole lot.
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We just hopefully improved setup speed we did add a second light
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To the to the setup and Things like that and change a few things around and just try and make it hopefully function a little bit better did some testing
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Star link is really working for us, but again sometimes you park an RV Where you can't use
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Starling it just that there's not enough sky to be able to use it and so But when it's working it works.
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Well. It really does so I Know that the place that I'll be staying for the first few days
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Not a tree So so shouldn't be Shouldn't be an issue of course
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Rich has said more than once that the the stuff says hey the best place is on the top of your RV I'm not sure that I can see myself shimmying up that ladder carrying that carrying that thing and trying to get it up to the top and setting it up there and You know
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I really have to want to get a program To do it that way I really really would because then
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I have to go back up and get it later. I suppose I could just Yeah, so Anyway, all right so Lord willing coming coming back on Tuesday in a different context as we're heading up Don't forget the conference in Littleton.
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It's on the front page of the website Let your folks your friends up there know about that and we'll be getting together with folks looking forward to it