The Twitter Mob Doubles Down on Dishonesty, Genesis 50 and Compatibilism

Greetings welcome to the dividing line I'm gonna try to make this quick at the beginning as much as I possibly can though It is important to do so on the last program.

We got out ahead of a slander campaign That had launched against me

It seems to happen every once in a while the same suspects are normally the ones involved nothing on the screen again rich and I Sort of figured that was pretty much it

We put it to bed it was it's it's not this is I'm calling this the nothing burger controversy

There there's there's nothing here There is absolutely nothing here. This this is made up whole cloth from the start

If this is the best you've got I mean my goodness Don't I make mistakes on every program that you could find some way of twisting into something worthwhile?

I mean, this is just pathetic you guys have It's like you're always sitting around in lockdown and you all were in some secret

Facebook group going I'm bored What can we come up with well here? Let's twist.

This is so bad that it's it's laughable. It really is But it's it's illustrative.

We got to deal with it because of the fact that This kind of stuff takes on a life of its own.

It just gets believed because people want to believe stupid things And dishonest people promote dishonest things it's just so you got it you got to put the facts out there and Hope that those who are actually believers

Will repent of their promoting falsehoods and things like that and then the rest is there's nothing you can do about it

So real quick recap for those of you who missed it and a lot of people did a lot of people very busy fully understandable on Tuesday morning a

Meme started running around Started getting stuff My fellow elders contacted me one of my fellow elders contacted me

What's this all about? Someone put out the lie and it is a lie. It's documentable lie

It has been documented so anybody who repeats it is either knowingly or unknowingly repeating a lie

Here's here's how a guy named Jake Robbie. R -a -a -b -e put it quote

James White owns Covid widower with facts and logic facts and logic are in all caps

Sets him straight with hard truths all caps is definitely not something

I bet on in the Twitter pool this morning So there was the original thing Paul Flynn was promoting it over in Ireland Here's a

Jack Robbie and Other people jumped in on it.

So even on April 27th Jacob Denhollander Yes, Jacob Denhollander the Jacob Denhollander James keeps finding newer bigger sharks sharks to jump every day

Well, who knew I mean, I don't follow him. So I don't see what nasty things he's saying, but there you go

And then some people are asking what in the world is going on good old Calvinist Batman How can his fellow elders not see that as lovelessness?

Now I was sent to this thread and it gets much worse Profane and nasty and insulting and so on so forth down below just what you expect from this crowd, but I was sent to this yesterday because What I did on the program was

I went back and I showed the actual thread and I showed that the man

That what had happened is I had posted a tweet And I my tweet had said this is on April 26th are a sufficient number of people waking up to the reality that the panic

Of 2020 which has always been political in nature is now openly and clearly political in its

Motivations and that the costs in human life will dwarf anything the worst models ever predicted and so I'm talking about worldwide

I'm talking about famine. I'm talking about disease not kovat 19, but other diseases.

I'm talking about the shutting down of Medical research into into childhood diseases, which is not going on right now because everything's in this one area one thing

I'm talking about the possibilities of so destabilizing a social order around the world that you'll have war and hence a lot more people dying because of the massive

Overreaction that has taken place globally in regards to kovat 19 so the next day a

Fellow pops in and talks about how His He says my 49 year old ex -wife of 19 years passed last week now,

I'm not exactly sure what that means but Basically, he says you have no idea till it hits you close.

You have no idea now The lie that people like Jack Robbie and others were putting out there is that I went after this guy

With facts and hard truth. The reality is as the actual unedited screenshots show

I Didn't respond to him. I Recognized that was that wasn't gonna go go anywhere and someone named

Liana Miranda I don't know how much longer cuz once you get past I guess once you get past like 24 hours it stops putting the time thing it just puts dates instead of instead of Two days what yeah,

I don't I'm not even sure I'm not even sure if that hasn't changed over time I don't know but someone named

Liana Miranda said I'm so sorry for your loss I'm sorry that so many are taking the humanity away from such loss and making it about politics

Okay, that's the person I responded to didn't get anywhere totally emotional

Woman didn't listen to what didn't interact with anything was said the original tweet didn't interact with anything.

I had said either But the lie was that I had responded to the first individual not to the person who was saying that if you talk about the political ramifications if you think long -term if you

If you recognize that the left is using this. Oh my goodness. I forgot to bring this up, but I guess

Was it Biden or Clinton both? Said that again said with the same thing that that representative said

When they passed the funny money bill We have an opportunity here to accomplish things that we've wanted to accomplish forever.

I Was Clinton. Yeah, there you go. That's all I had said I had uttered a factual statement and all this came from that But the whole meme was he went after a widower.

I didn't it was a lie Liam Miranda is not a widower did not claim to be a widower.

The whole thing is a lie from the start It's a fake.

It was made up But people like Jacob Dan Hollander and and and Jake Robbie and then of course

Joel McDermott jumped in on it. You wouldn't expect Joel McDermott has looked for every single opportunity

To drive a knife into my back since 2009. Okay, so we're coming up with good solid

Coming up on a full 11 years here for him. So there's nothing nothing new there

But the standard group of people out there It is an odd group because they should be fighting with each other.

They don't have all the same motivations, but They are united Most of them are united in their hatred of Doug Wilson, too

But of me as well, and so they're all getting this guy and they're not gonna look at the facts

They're not gonna bother to check things sit there They're gonna believe the worst thing possible and tell other thing other people the worst things possible

So we took all that apart on Tuesday walked through it demonstrated what the facts were

Thought we'd put to bed well, not so much because Then and like I said,

I'm not gonna read you, you know, some of this just absolute Nasty, I mean one one guy

Well, just just some amazing amazing stuff And I'm yeah,

I'm just gonna minimize these so you can you can go find the stuff yourself I've had some friends have gone Oh, man,

I wish I hadn't gone looking Because wow Nasty and yeah, they they're they are so and nobody's rebuking them for being nasty

You know the other people the Christians are they don't know how you problem, but so Yesterday this is at 5 11 p .m.

Is when my I took screenshots so 5 11 p .m. Mountain Time Mountain Standard Time, which is always

Mountain Standard Time Um Christine Pack jumps in now Christine Pack, of course

Absolutely irreversible case of Doug Wilson Drangen syndrome DWS suffer Used to be a used to be a friend used to be on our side as I recall it's at some point but anyway

Posted this Yes screen. In fact, let me let me Got that even though making it that big the resolutions bad but So here it is.

Yes screenshots are readily available white now Notice this folks white author of grieving your path back to peace may not have been immediately aware of the widowers comment

But pretty quickly after the initial comment approximately a thousand people brought it to his attention and he responded now notice what's posted

If you look at this Here is my original tweet There is his response.

Now. This is where Liana Miranda would be but Liana Miranda is gone and instead

What you have is you've now jumped through dozens of comments

Hours, maybe even a day. I don't recall when it was this says 427.

So 1152 so that would be Wherever this one was taken was probably

Eastern time so later in the day as I said on Tuesday This fellow who

I do not know Did not recognize the and what do you call these things?

Is this a Nick? Is it a moniker? I mean mines is it handle? Because there's a difference between the name you use and the at sign that you use

Anyway, there's no connection between the at sign and the name that is used so And it's not a real name

All I saw in my feed was just somebody saying I'm disappointed you

I'm a fan follow your work in debates I'm disappointed myself to have wasted my time on you

Wasted my time on you now I did not know this was the same guy from earlier in the day didn't even the the things didn't recognize you can't

The people who use avatars of something else which which can't even read So all

I see is yet another person I'm so disappointed in you and it has to do with You know, well, you shouldn't never talk about politics.

You should never talk about Christian world. Well, you do that all the time But anyways whatever so I Just respond to this if I had known this person was the same person from earlier in the day or the day before however many

Hours, it was I don't know. I probably would have skipped it too, but you know, so I said wasted your time

Well, thank you. I would ask for some kind of biblical or logical reasoning here But I am quite certain as to what

I would get back. So you be blessed Go on. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to get into an argument with you if that's how you feel

It's obviously an emotional thing not gonna not even go on there not not knowing there's any connection But what's the point in producing a a thing like this?

You're putting them together You're putting them together So that you're promoting the idea

Which has already been refuted But you're sort of hoping people don't listen to the dividing line and you sort of the people you're primarily looking for are the people who want to Believe slander and lies and that's really what the

Internet's about today people on both sides the political I'll do the same thing right now.

There are people Joe Biden could walk up to The 20 homeless people and give them his last dime and there are people on the right that would turn it into an insult or something and We all know that there has never been anyone who has created more derangement

Not even Doug Wilson creates more derangement than Donald Trump does so you see the memes all the time

There was one recently where where it was Donald Trump saying Yeah, I've heard that it's good to eat your vegetables you'll be healthier and then

CNN need to mow your lawn and eat the grass You know this guy and it's true. That's exact.

It is exactly what happens. Well, that's what's happening to me you're looking for those people who have already heard something about this and They are inclined to believe it and So you give them what they want now this

Right here never happened Okay, there there is there is not only a time period there's a day between these two but down here

There's no response to this individual, but the idea was I had gone after this guy. It's a lie

But this is meant to prop up the lie because then you have the later thing which

I've already said didn't didn't even connect the two two things and All I'm saying is so you'd be blasted.

I'm not gonna argue the I've you know, whatever Okay, both times it was the other guy coming after me.

Not me going after the other guy both times and The first one I just ignored is like, okay not going not touching that with a 10 -foot pole

So you take out everything in between but then you keep the narrative where the narrative is

Oh, he went after this person and he's arguing this person blah blah, which never happened. It was a lie So it is edited so as to maintain the narrative then when

I point that out When I point that out this comes up. Okay, so this was late last night and This was again

Christine pack I've already told her You're you're slandering me. You're lying.

You're posting stuff that didn't happen When you remove when you take tweets out of their order out of their context and put them in another context.

This is dishonest I'm sorry, if you can't understand that but it is Dishonest.

So notice what has been done here here. You have my original tweet the response and then notice.

Oh, look look For 53 a .m. For 2720 and then here's 10 11 a .m.

For 2720. So see this is after this So see we're not lying But what is this?

Look look at what's look what's happened this one up here Notice there's nothing above it, you know why

Because if you actually looked at it, it's not in response to this guy. It's in response to Liana oops

Wrong person who cares edit it post it. Keep the lie going

There you go, Christine back. Okay I'm not sure why you people do this when the other side still has the opportunity

To put the truth on the screen. It reminds me of remember Eric Eric and Kanner Never I never figured out

Why he kept lying in front of cameras and microphones there.

This is all being recorded How do you do realize that that eventually you will be found out well

Thankfully You know, you know, it's scary is if what if people start doing this with stuff from five years ago that you can't even find anymore and You can't go back and go wait a minute.

No, that's it. No here You see there is it is there is a reason why scripture has such a high standard for truthfulness and a high standard for witnesses that's

Really really important stuff So this type of thing doesn't happen. So Up here.

I say if I were to tweet a picture of someone who died of say a cancer that was caused by industrial contamination

Would I be taking the humanity away from the loss by pointing out the obvious reality of the political realities underlying the situation?

I've used the term reality too many times there, but the point is Who is that addressed to well?

It makes it look by the creation of this that it's a response to this that wasn't let me let me show you

Let me just make sure that we've we've got it here. Here's Here's the original. Here's the real thing.

Here's my mine here. There's that one Here's Liana Miranda notice taking the humanity away from such loss

Right below it if I were to a picture of someone who died of say a cancer that was caused by industrial contamination

Would I be quote taking the humanity away and quote? Where is that from? That's from Liana Miranda That's not from up here.

Is it no no honest person is gonna believe these lies Because they're lies documented case closed

Christine Pack Delete your tweets. I'll accept the the apology. In fact,

I really really hope you will do that, but I sort of doubt it Same thing with Jacob Denhollander and all the rest of you be glad to accept your apology

But you've never done it before so I'm really not sure I'll accept it now, but I would like to see it It would be a wonderful thing because this kind of behavior see

I can fight back. I Can't that's why

I fight back Okay, internet bullies or internet bullies they need to be identified as internet bullies.

All right, just all there is to it Hate to have to waste time with this kind of stuff.

But here's here's the reason why it's important to do So did you see oops,

I minimized. Oh great. I hate when you you click back on the preview thing and there are now 40 47 shots that you just had up But I mean that I died but I need to show this let me see if I can

It will be the last one that I choose. I can guarantee. Yep so far So far, so I'm gonna skip

That's of course when you skip it doesn't work either Okay There it is

Let me read it again Christine Pack white Parenthesis author of grieving your path back to peace

Parenthesis closed. No, why do that? It's purposeful It's meant to cause damage

It's meant to damage the book. It's meant to damage me. It's meant to damage this ministry Now here's why this is important.

I have had numerous people Contact me over the years

About how that book helped them through very difficult times and I have had multiple people tell me it kept them from suicide

So what if you because of your derangement syndrome decide to join into a cabal of liars

Who have made up a lie out of whole cloth? Made up a story that never happened and that any honest person who looks at the data would know never happened

What if you join into that for whatever reasons that you might have maybe you think that's a good way of Getting at Doug Wilson or something that would explain this one but what if you do this and as a result

Someone doesn't buy that book or doesn't distribute that book because well, you know, I heard that thing about white

I guess I shouldn't do that this morning Unsolicited I was sent a tweet.

It was solicited by this discussion from a brother named Ray and Ray said this this is from this morning.

Well, okay. I saw it this morning. It says 11 hours. So it might have been late last night Ray said the only comment

I have is this my wife committed suicide one month ago No note, no explanation.

No chance for goodbye Your book on grieving has been very helpful I've given it to others in the past now tragically.

It's my turn. Thank you. Here's the simple reality

When you lose your balance When you become deranged and imbalanced in who you have to attack and who you have to make stuff up about you may well preclude people like this from having access to resources that they actually needed and You will bear the responsibility

Keep it in mind Keep it in mind All right, the nothing burger controversy is ended anyone look we will post this link to it

Just give it to anybody who you see because we've had people we've had friends. We've had people part of the ministry

I'm hearing this side of the other thing. What's this all about? That's how this stuff works lies travel far faster than truth ever could far faster than truth ever could and So just link to it say there

Listen this program at this point this part of this point Documentation is all there. It's the nothing burger controversy.

There's nothing to it. It is one big huge pack of Lies pack of lies.

That's funny So there you go Didn't want to waste that time but but there it is now

I was thinking on a walk slash run this morning

Um when Well, wait a minute.

Let me did I bring that up? Yes, I did Let me see here

Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's pretty much where I wanted to go with that Do y 'all remember?

I think it was Let's see. It's almost May so early

April of last year. Can any of us remember pretty much anything before February?

Because it really seems like the entire world Changed once once all that stuff started happening and it sort of happened slowly

Well quickly actually so There was an unbelievable radio broadcast that had

Chris date Enlightened flowers, which is ironic in light of what's happened since then in that We've responded to both individuals in different in different contexts, but we

Reviewed some of the comments then but that was before and in fact, I don't know.

Let me I'm not sure if there is I'm not sure exactly when this came out.

I don't remember when I first it was 2019 But I don't know when it came into when it actually what month that came out but I was this wasn't yet on the

Reading list shall we say the Ken Wilson book the shorter version and so now that things have

Changed in light of Working through materials and things like that I Thought it would be useful to go back and to illustrate one of the things

I've been saying for a long time, but With something that was recorded before all of this started in regards to Ken Wilson that was one of the useful things about reviewing the interview is and I am aware of the fact

I haven't listened to it That there's been a two -hour thing that Leighton flowers did with with Ken Wilson. I it is

It is a self evidently true reality Any review of the soteriology 101 website and videos will prove this

That it's easier to produce material when you're only focused on one subject when you are

Okay Been attacked for this before but it's simply accurate when you're a one -string banjo

When you got one note to play you can crank out the information and I just if you think that's mean go look at the videos on the

YouTube and ask yourself the question how Wide and broad are

Leighton flowers interests as far as what he's actually addressing I'd say about 1 1 ,000th as as broad as the topics that we address here

So you can you can put out a lot more information in a short short period of time But I haven't listened to that either this is

Early last year Pre Wilson as far as my knowledge of Wilson and what it illustrates

Is one of my key concerns not only with flowers but with Wilson as well when you

Exegete a text of scripture and We can take this back to 2015 this has been the key all along when someone claims to be exegeting a text of scripture you need to Ask yourself a question

Is this person spending more time? Telling me what the text cannot be saying or positively what it is saying

Now we live in a day where unfortunately there is a tremendous amount of agnosticism even among scholars you'd amongst professing

Christian scholars and You've heard of epistemological humility any useful phrase

Has some element of truth to it or it's not useful Any joke has some the reason

Babylon B is normally not always but normally very funny is That there is a clear element of truth, which is what which is what's so much fun about watching

Snopes Do handstands and cut themselves and beat themselves with bats and everything else

They're trying to fact -check Babylon B is because What freaks

Snopes out is there's always an element of truth. And so when you talk about epistemological humility, yeah

We need to recognize none of us has all knowledge. None of us is in and of ourselves

Infallible as an interpreter and exegete On the last program.

I talked about a situation where I myself have to go Now looking at that textual variant and that text

You know 20 -25 years down the road 30 years down the road from where I first examined it.

Is it possible that I've either learned more since then or gained enough perspective to look at it from a different angle and see things that I was unable to see before unwilling to see before so I've I I get that level of quote -unquote epistemological humility.

The problem is that's normally turned into a warrant for biblical agnosticism

Yeah, we've got the Bible, but we're not really sure what it says about pretty much anything really

That raises the question I may do this sometime down the road I did a sermon years ago out of 2nd

John wonderful little book and It was about The fact that the truth of the gospel would abide

With the church. This is a confidence that we can have Because of God's sovereignty if you don't have a sovereign

God the yeah the the truth the gospel may have been lost But if you have a sovereign

God who is accomplishing his purposes in this world Then you can have confidence in in that reality

So Epistemological humility Has an element of truth, but it cannot be used as a broad warrant for simply saying we can't know what the truth is

So when you hear someone who is far more concerned about what a text could not possibly be saying

Than they are in explaining from the text from the language from the grammar and from the flow of the context

Obviously the emphasis has to go on the preceding context But you can always look at what comes behind even though there may be a break in thought things like that.

That's why Antecedent context is is always most important Then you you should your antenna should come up and you should be gone.

Hmm What's going on here this? This is a test

That you should apply to everyone myself included Myself included anybody and yeah your own pastor as well.

And here's here's a warning Not every sermon from your pastor is as good as every other sermon from your pastor

Sometimes there's a clinker even from really good preachers. Sometimes you have a bad week bad day bad morning before service whatever and We should not

Feel that there is anything wrong with recognizing at times I'm not 100 % certain about that one and there are certain telltale signs and You've heard the argument

When your point is weak yell louder that happens in a lot of sermons and that happens in a lot of debates, too and So I wanted to go back and I wanted to listen to Because what did we do?

Again, when you start doing so many programs back -to -back, it's hard to remember what day was what but I think it was this week

I think it was Monday That we did Isaiah 10. Okay thing is Monday Um, Isaiah 10 is one of the key

Compatibilistic proof texts When I say compatibilistic simply the recognition that you cannot flatten out the

Bible's teaching into an either -or situation Where you banish

God's sovereign decree So as to leave room in your flattened out two -dimensional universe for autonomous free will

If you allow the Bible to speak it speaks of God's absolute sovereign decree Working all things after the counsel of his will and it says that God is just and holding men accountable

Based upon the actions of the desires of their heart Both are true

You're not big enough. You're not smart enough. You're not eternal enough or omniscient enough

Putting enough with that is enough to figure that out and To make that fit into your little

World's parameters, but I believe in solo scriptura and I believe in tota scriptura and Therefore I need to believe all of what scripture says

So in the unbelievable program there were a set of scriptures that were looked at from both sides

And one of them was Genesis 50 And I did just I suppose

I can show this to you. Um, I was tracking down Just I don't know just for the fun of it just so you all can be happy Genesis 50 in one of the earliest

Greek manuscripts we could find of it and I actually have it here and this is

Codex Vaticanus But unfortunately it is

Somewhat damaged and remember just in passing this has nothing to do with our subject but just in passing that one of the sad realities of history is

That some poor scribe somewhere in the medieval period

Probably as penance for some really bad thing he probably I Don't know spilled wax on the bishops head during mass or something.

Who knows? But he had to go through this entire manuscript and retrace

Every letter this entire Bible in Greek Well, okay, we're not sure when

Hebrews 9 14 and following fell off of Vaticanus whether it was there or not, but But probably still to do that too.

So here's here's the section in Genesis But you can see or can we see we can't see yes.

No, there we go But you can see some of its down here is readable and then the rest of it not so much

It's sort of faded out and gotten icky looking but you can see like up here, especially That's clearly been written over now.

I don't know what happened down here I'm sure there are entire books on That process and everything else, but I didn't

I'm Apologize, I didn't get it done Just I was doing it at five minutes before the program started.

So I wasn't able to show it to you It's not that it changes anything. It just thought it'd be sort of neat to look at it Because Genesis 50 is is

Genesis 50, but if you're not familiar with the context Let's remind ourselves

Beginning of verse 15 when Joseph's brothers saw their father was dead Remember the story

Joseph Egypt becomes second to Pharaoh you know hides himself from his brothers brings them up the hiding of the cup and the sacks and You know all that story, but that what goes before that story was the murderous intention of the brothers and Remember the coat of many colors one of my favorites stories on flannel graph back when you know

My mom was one of my Sunday school teachers and and we had flannel graph back then and I remember the coat of many colors and that's that's

Look the scriptures description the scriptures say that that was a great gift that he

That he gave to his son. And yes, it is the same in a Coogee of many colors or a coat of many colors.

It's to say I think it was a coogee I think someday they're going to find

Joseph's Coogee in a somewhere well preserved in a in in Egypt because it could be a

Coogee could survive in Egypt because manuscripts can a coogee could too so they're gonna find some hidden wall in a in a in a pyramid someplace and there it'll be and It'll say coogee and then it'll it'll still have a dry cleaning thing on that says deliver to Joseph That's my prediction.

It's about as good as everything else you get in charisma news. Anyways, so Anyway, so You remember the story?

jealousy God intervenes God intervened that we have to keep we have to keep this context in mind and it's a context that Layton flowers knows because he's going to mention it and That is the the the initial desire of the brothers was not to sell

Joseph it was to kill Joseph Bury his body

Deceive their father and That was not God's intention. That's psalm 33

God's intention is established man's intention is worth it That's not who had autonomy in this situation did

Joseph's brothers have the ability to kill

Joseph did they have the ability?

Of course they would have had the weapons they would have had the opportunity they could have gotten away with it

But did they have the ability? Because remember this is Layton flowers big thing is

He wants the provisionists are all about Responsibility means the ability to respond hence autonomy

So did Joseph's brothers have the ability

To kill Joseph in reality and the answer is no they did not Why?

Because as we're gonna see in Genesis 50 It was God's intention

To bring the children of Israel into Egypt think about it. What is the single most

Often repeated example in the

New Testament from the Old Testament of God's action of deliverance in Jesus Passover Exodus, what do you have to have for that?

You gotta get the people of Israel into Egypt. How do you do that? Joseph Joseph sold into slavery in Egypt it absolutely key to the entire

Redemptive story unless you're gonna say that God really didn't have a story and he's just sort of bumbling along with these guys and going man

I'm not sure how long it's gonna take him. I really want to get the Messiah to come but Whenever I can work it out and then

This happens and it's like oh, well, I'll try to make the best come out of this So I'll try to make the mess best kind of that can you imagine if If the promise of Romans 828 is

I'll just try to make the best come out of all the evil I can but it's gonna be really ugly messy so that every bit of the blood on the doorposts the paschal lamb the unleavened bread

The death of the firstborn the despoiling of the gods of Egypt. It's all just fortuitous.

It wasn't intended by God Because every one of those requires tens of thousands of quote -unquote

Autonomous free will choices to make any sense or to come about so God kept

The brothers from killing Joseph, let me put it this way the brothers could not have killed

Joseph They did not have the ability to go kill

Joseph Physically, yes on the human plane. Yes in Reality, no, but but and here's the key.

Here's the key upon which

Level does God's righteous judgment operate in? Judging where there's something is sin.

That's the issue and the answer is and the answer given in Genesis 50 is

The level where our will exists and our knowledge exists because the

Joseph's brothers I assure you had no idea as They saw him coming

They saw the Coogee from afar Sometimes I wish the rich cam was on like an

ISO Channel So I set a switch over here and I could pop it up so you could see the pained expression

Yeah, yeah there they saw the

Coogee from afar and You're not allowed to facepalm right now, yeah, it's politically incorrect to facepalm.

Yeah they saw the Coogee from afar and They are judged on the basis of the hatred and murder that filled their heart

Not on whether they followed through with it Because they couldn't because it was not

God's will that Joseph die nobody Could have killed

Joseph that day Nobody, in fact, no one can kill anyone until God's sovereign decree says they're to die

That's why the Psalter can say My days are written in your book how we have to on the human level say

That we could die any day and from our perspective that's true, but from God's perspective

That is not true. I Can not die Until the day

God has ordained that to happen, but I don't know when that is So I live as if it could be today or I try to very frequently failing that But I try to So when they saw

Joseph coming Their hearts are filled with hatred their hearts are filled with murder, but God restrains them and Instead now think about it there is a

Caravan going by well, what were the chances of that? Let's Let's remember something

There weren't a whole lot of people on earth back then in comparison to today There were a few million

But nothing like the billions we have today and so You'd go on a caravan and you wouldn't see another human for a long long time

It you know, there weren't a jet planes flying over You know no tracks in the sand from the four -wheel drives that went by nothing like that the chances of a caravan just happening by Very very small

God's orchestrating this and it just so happens That they're going to the very place

God wants to send his people to prove the supremacy of his nature a lot of people miss

The plagues and what they mean if you know anything about Egyptian religion, it's fascinating It really is it it shows up a lot in the

Old Testament a lot of concepts and stuff back there a lot of apologetics against those concepts in the

Old Testament text as well that we Miss because we don't have the background But when you look at the plagues

God is demonstrating his absolute sovereign power over the entirety of the pantheon of Egyptian gods

They could do nothing Yahweh can do everything that can only happen if Joseph gets to Egypt and So think about it again.

Do you think those those traitors in that caravan? You think they were really nice guys? They're they're buying and selling slaves.

Okay, they're slave traders Along with other things, I'm sure Do you think they're nice guys

Think about this There was no point in that entire trip into Egypt where any one of those slave traders

Could have killed Joseph Not from God's perspective Not a one of them had the free will not a one of them had the autonomous will

To be able to kill Joseph because it was God's intention that Joseph go to Egypt you see how

See one of the arguments is well, you know God can there are certain things that God can do he can do a little thing over here a little thing over there

But you know, it's the it's you know, it's the general stuff, you know that God just doesn't care about think about it

Think of how many autonomous choices Were involved in creating the context for Joseph to go

To Egypt and to do in Egypt what he did Potiphar Had to marry

Quite an interesting woman. What was involved with that?

Well, we don't know was it an arranged marriage. We don't know but there are all sorts of decisions involved with that and there were decisions involved in the raising of that young girl to where she

Became the woman that she became unfaithful to her husband chasing after Joseph all sorts of freewill decisions involved there and God thwarted anything other than what would bring about the fulfillment of his intentions and purposes

Because he needed to go to prison and he need to go to prison at the exact time

That the certain people would be there that would allow him to interpret the dreams that allow him to do what he did and rise the position he did in the

Egyptian government and Then provide the seven years before the seven years of famine or all sorts of other people would have died

You see how many tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people are involved in each one of these stories

It's not like he just goes. Well, I'm gonna do a supernatural Sovereignty thing right there.

That's it. Everybody else is cool, right? No, no other no other autonomous wills

Affected you see the only reason you worry about stuff like that is when you don't realize

Compatibilism When you don't realize that the God who made time and All the events in time is big enough to do so in such a way that The temporal realm and the eternal realm are in perfect harmony

If you deny compatibilism you're saying God can't do that you are denying to God the capacity

Based upon your philosophical categories and your teeny tiny little intellect

You're denying that to God Why? Why so that's the backdrop

That that's the backdrop and so you remember the rest of story Remember how they the children of Israel come down there and You know what's happened and and now the father's died and so Genesis 50 15 when

Joseph's brothers thought their father was dead They said what if Joseph bears a grudge against us and pays us back in full for all the wrong which we did to him

So they sent a message Joseph saying your father charged before he died. I've often wondered did he did he?

I mean It doesn't really seem like they've really fully learned their lesson yet, so did he

Well, maybe we'll find out someday. I don't know Your father charged before he died saying thus you shall say to Joseph Please forgive

I beg you the transgression of your brothers and their sin for they did you wrong

Okay, so can we? settle without question The reality that what they did in selling

Joseph into slavery was sin it was wrong The answer is yes clearly

Clearly and Joseph wept when they spoke to him the messenger spoke to him

Then his brothers also came and fell down before him and said behold. We are your servants not your brothers

We're your servants and So all through this, you know Please forgive the transgressions of the servants of the

God of your father see all this is separating themselves from Joseph They're not they're not saying Oh brother brother brother

Because they know they they pretty well Burned that bridge long time ago and I would imagine they were expecting, you know, all the worst stuff that from the mummy films

You know the people scratching from the insides of coffins and stuff like Their figure and this is what we're headed for You know, what were those flesh -eating beetles and stuff like that?

And yeah, they're they're they're toast So they come fell down before him and said behold.

We are your servants But Joseph said to them do not be afraid for am

I in? God's place for am

I in The place of God may

I suggest That Joseph understood something that a lot of Christians don't understand that Joseph understood there's

God's place and Then there's the creatures place and only

God can be in God's place and we need to leave

God in God's place and We will mess everything up big time when we try to take

God's place We ain't big enough. We ain't smart enough. We shouldn't even want to be there.

Am I in God's place? That has to be understood before the verse 20 will be understandable that there is a place for God and here's my argument.

I believe that the That's what I forgot to do I Downloaded it a guy named

Kemp was on with With latent flowers and Did I put that let me look real quick I did download

It was there it is. Ah Good.

I can do this. Okay, I'll do that in a second. I Honestly believe

That the only way that you will be able to see the fullness of what Genesis 50 20 means and Genesis 50 20 is words of wisdom that come from Joseph who suffered for decades before he could come to understand the immature proud little kid

Who had his Coogee ripped off of him? Before being sent to Egypt had changed massively in the years afterwards and He had suffered and it was suffering that gave him the maturity to recognize

That we can never be in God's place. God has a place that we never belong He is sovereign.

He is accomplishing his purpose and if you don't start there if You put man's philosophy if you put human autonomy

In God's place You're not gonna you're not gonna understand

Genesis 50 20. You're not going to Am I in God's place as? For you you meant evil against me you intended

Against me rah Evil He doesn't soft -sell it

He doesn't say, you know, I understand I was a jerk I Understand I was arrogant

No He does not what they did was evil. You do not sell people into slavery you do not take their clothing and dip it in blood and Torture their father into thinking for years.

Can you imagine? Not only the suffering of that old man

Part of which he brought on himself. There's no question about it, but it was still suffering. It was undeserved

The suffering of that old man and then can you imagine the family dynamic?

the first time after he sees

Joseph After he has the whole story When he is alone with those brothers

And Joseph's not there. What was that like?

That man's not stupid He knew what his sons had done. He knew his sons had sat there and pretended to comfort him as he wept and mourned and They well knew

Joseph was not dead and they were the ones that had sold him into slavery That's a somewhat of a non -functional family a few problems in in.

Yeah No choice about that's why it really makes me wonder. Did he really say say this to Joseph and Not sure you meant evil against me

He doesn't use some Strange word that could be translated many different ways.

Raah Means evil and you intended it.

It was the intention of your heart and it was aimed against me

It wasn't just you experienced this Strange impersonal feeling of evil and I got cut.

No, it was you intended evil against me. That's what the first four words not including phenomenal suffixes or Phenomenal suffixes, right not including any antecedents you

Intended evil against me God then using the same verb

Intended and I'm looking over the Greek Septuagint as well both use using bulimia

God Intended meant it for good

Not for me. There's the for me is not repeated

Meant it for good in order to bring about This day literally this present result and To preserve

Am -Rab many people

Hi alive to reserve the lives of many people.

So Let's look at what is not parallel between the two first What is not parallel is as one would expect as one would expect the brothers intentions very narrow Focus solely upon Joseph you meant evil against me

God meant it Which was their act of evil.

There's no questions the same thing God meant it

For good, but it's not just for my good.

He meant it for good In order to bring about this present result to preserve many people alive and yes, that meant their family and flocks and servants and all the rest that stuff

But we know that many people in Egypt had been preserved alive

Because of the interpretation of the dreams the famine storehouses, you know, you know the rest of the story so There is not an absolute parallel because God's Intention is bigger broader and better But what is unquestionably parallel the only the only reason

That the Hebrew looks different is because when you write Hebrew you use different Forms depending upon the form of the verb whether it's singular plural you can have direct objects

Etc, etc. And so you meant evil. That's the brothers

But God's singular But it's the same verb you intended you meant and There's only one object it the act of evil

You meant it for evil God meant it for good and I'm just gonna start looking at this camera eventually because you know

We've been going for over an hour and just one so I don't know what he's doing in there I don't know.

He's not listening to me. Obviously, he's he's on his phone. He's doing his thing and I don't know

What can I say? so, um, oh

I lost him at the Coogee. Okay. Yes Joseph's Coogee. He just decided at that point that theologically he just couldn't buy it anymore and he's

Bailing out. So, okay, that's fun You have absolute parallel You have one act it was an evil act but it was intended by God.

I don't know how you can get around this You can sit there well, you're gonna hear one way of trying to get around in a moment but you have one act and in God's ordering of his universe the judgment for that act is based upon the intentionality of the will

They meant it for evil God meant it for good. That was how

God chose to get Joseph into a place to save many people alive and that is good The act itself on the part of the brothers was evil

If you have to flatten that out to where both of those statements cannot be true, you will never ever

Be able to handle the text of Scripture in a meaningful fashion You won't

You won't So with all of that having spent that much time

Let's take a listen to what What? Somebody made a meme.

Oh could a Coogee meme Why can't

I see memes and why is it like during the program and stuff? I can't see memes That makes me very very all

I see is Christine pack No, I will eventually see it

Unpopular opinion dr. Ugly 1689 got his Coogee sweater style from Biggie Smalls notorious

BIG. No, I did not No, factually, my first Coogee was in 93.

I don't think those guys were around in 93 That was given to me by a friend. So nope, that ain't that ain't working.

But yeah, no, I don't see any Let he had half no

Smith and Wesson sell his Coogee sweater misspelled Coogee sweater vest and buy one That'd be some fun things to look at when we get done here

Okay before I play late in flowers The whole deceitfully edited narrative is white's attempt to misdirect away from the fact

He showed zero compassion to the man who had lost a loved one. Okay, can I stop here for a second? The lie has been exposed the second lie has been exposed and So what does

Christine pack do she triples down with a new one won't admit?

The facts that have been laid in for in front of her this is Reprehensible. I don't

What can I say So now So now what we're being told

The original lie was that I went after the guy I didn't the second lie was to hook together different parts

Didn't happen either So now I showed zero compassion to the man.

So now what I was supposed to do Is I make a tweet about the political ramifications of utilizing the kovat?

pandemic To lurch the entire world to the left. What I'm supposed to do is someone comes in Bombs that with the emotional tweet and I am supposed to somehow

Engage in some type of counseling online with this person rather than just going that's

That's a hand grenade, I'm not pulling the pin on it if you want to pop into someone's thread throw a hand grenade in I'm not gonna

I'm not gonna respond to it. But now now that's the new meme You see we got caught in the first ones.

We got caught lying. Let's lie some more Christine. You need help You need help.

Have you talked to your elders about your problems? You need help. This is just unbelievable Wow, that's that's that man, anyway ddddddd so We'll edit that one and stick it at the other part of it later on or something.

I don't know Let's listen to what Layton flowers has to say about now what has happened what it's plugged in What happened was

Chris Tate had given his presentation This was if you recall, I think it was a three was a three or two verses

I can't remember which each side presented Their viewpoint from a passage of scripture couple passages scriptures may have two or three then the other side responded and then reversed so this is where Chris Tate is giving obviously a prepared thing and then

Layton is responding I don't know if they mentioned I can't remember now. It's been Over a year.

I can't remember if they I'm sure they did exchange which verses they were gonna do So Layton should have had something ready to go, but anyway, so here is

Layton flowers on Genesis 50 20 Well, sure I'd back up a little bit and look at the context of the text because the original intent of the

Brothers was not to sell the brother into slavery. If you look through the narrative their original intent was murderous

They wanted to kill him because of pride they were jealous Well, where does pride originate?

Where does that come from? First John 2 16 says the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes the pride of life comes not from the father

But from the world, so whatever we conclude here We cannot go against what scripture teaches us and conclude that some eternal divine decree is the cause or the origin of?

these brothers pride okay, so the first The first thing that is stated is

Whatever. This is saying it can't be what he says it says Wait, so so my interpretation is

The origin of pride is from the world Therefore it can't from come from God and therefore there is no divine decree

Do we recognize? Eisegesis when we see it do we recognize someone who?

looking at the text is Going I have over writing commitments

That will not allow me to hear what this text is saying and since this text specifically presents the one divine truth that is the kryptonite to my tradition and That is compatibilism

Because of compatibilism is true if there can be one event that is sinful on the part of one and good on the part of the other as Genesis 50 20 says

Then the entire Argumentation that he utilizes collapses done

We have to come to a better conclusion than than to impugn. I think again unintentionally

I think Chris's view impugns the character of God in that way. So the text says

I Know you keep going back to the text. The text says there's one event

The brothers meant it for evil. God meant it for good. Oh, you don't want to impugn

God's character In that way, I'm not impugning God's character God is big enough to Intend good

Through man's evil. That's what the cross is about. That's what Isaiah 10 is about. That's what Genesis 50 is about Layton just doesn't believe those because he has an over arching

Concept that he places that he doesn't derive from Scripture, but he places on top of Scripture So do we get a positive exegesis, let's find out and so what we would say

I'll give an analogy for example police officers. We get an analogy

We don't get exegesis. We get an analogy because Exegesis is not supportive of our position but an analogy

We can try To come up with a story that will keep people from recognizing that we're not actually dealing with the text

Because we have a different ultimate authority It a sting operation where they know of notorious drug dealers in the area.

They know their intention they know that they're evil and they use they don't cause but they use the evil intention of Criminals in order to bring about the selling of drugs at a particular time on Thursday at 2 o 'clock in the warehouse

So as to catch all the drug dealers in one place in the sting operation So the police officers meant that selling of drugs and evil crime

For a good reason while the criminals meant it for a bad reason So the same crime the same act is being meant by both the police officers and the criminals

One is being meant for an evil purpose for selfish gain The other is being meant for a good purpose and in the same way in this scenario

Obviously God meant what the brothers did for a good purpose for redemption

So God's not redeeming his own determinations here. He's redeeming the brothers bad determinations

He's bringing a good so notice he's redeeming their bad determinations.

He did not determine the same act He's redeeming their bad determinations, that's not what the text says.

We've already demonstrated that so he's changing the text In light of his analogy in light of his overriding tradition.

This is how tradition substantiates itself It can't be derived from exegesis. This is eisegesis.

This is latent flowers Eisegeding Genesis 50 in light of his tradition on the bad. He's not causing the bad so as to just redeem his own determination

Chris interesting analogy there as well with the Same crime being meant for different purposes and and so on.

What's your take on that? So we Went to that before but now especially in light of what we're hearing what you can see is the a priori force

That this tradition has so even when you're looking at one of the clearest texts in all scripture

That gives you will of man will of God one act you can't accept it

You just simply can't accept it so in light of that because I forgot to pull that up Let me pull up where to go.

Oh, there it is here is Someone an open theist an

Open theist sent this to me and I forgot to put it. Sorry I forgot to put it in my

Evernote thing to pull up but I told somebody else that I would Cover it on the vinyl and so we've got enough time to do it and It's it's short.

It's only two minutes 18 seconds. So I Don't know who Eric Kemp is. He's done some stuff with Leighton But Here well, let's just listen to it and It's relevant to what we just heard and in fact, you know, those are some of the questions

I have for Michael Horton in one of my articles is that You know

Could it be? that we Have the same goal.

Okay that we want to rightly balance the fact that God is sovereign over creation

Whatever that we can discuss what that means But that that God is in ultimate authority over creation and that man is responsible

God is an ultimate. I think he said an ultimate authority We share the same goal.

This is what we want But when you say could it be It's my question for our

Reformed audience here for Michael Horton specifically My question is could it be? that once the

Westminster Confession of Faith says God from all eternity Did by most wise and Holy Council was what of his own will freely and unchangeable ordain whatsoever may come to pass

As long as you say that As long as you affirm that then even if you say and believe

Yet so as thereby neither is the God of author of sin So even if you believe that he does so somehow in some way without being the author of sin

Could it be that our criticism is once you say the first part? Just saying the second part doesn't make it so that once you say the first part the fact that God is the author of sin

Ordains evil. However, you want to put it that that logically follows after the first statement

Even if you affirm it doesn't even if you claim it doesn't that is what our criticism is

Kind of like it kind of to me. It kind of sounds like you're saying in one in one sentence. You're saying bachelors are not married but Bachelors have a wife

Right. And so and so if you acknowledge that that's our criticism Then you would have to answer the criticism in some other way besides saying yeah

But I don't believe God is the author of sin or he does it somehow without being the author of sin That doesn't answer the

Christian that doesn't assuage the logical train you set in motion I've never heard

An answer never heard never heard an answer to that. Well, we've offered an answer that so many times

I've lost count But notice what? Mr. Kemp is assuming

He is assuming that if Ephesians 111 is correct because I mean the

Westminster Confession is pretty much just utilizing that language if God Ordains whatsoever comes to pass if he works all things after the counsel of his will which included the selling of Joseph into slavery which included the utilization of the

Assyrians as punishment against Israel Which included the actions of Pilate Herod the

Romans and the Jews? Then by definition by definition

There cannot be a basis of justice and righteousness in God's judgment because by definition

You must exclude Compatibilism you must you must conflate the temporal human realm with God's eternal existence

You flatten them out Squish them together get rid of the decree you're left with human autonomy

Scripture says you can't flatten it out. It's a diamond. You can beat on it all you want. It's not going to make any difference and Joseph came to understand what the

Westminster framers understood Isaiah did too and Everybody in the early church prayed that way in Acts chapter 4 so they recognized

You can have that objection if you want But where is the source of the objection?

It's your philosophical system. You're not objecting from Scripture and so you're objecting to a scriptural revelation on the basis of a philosophical reflection and your

Philosophy is never any bigger than your cranium and you may be the most brilliant man the planet

But you fade like the flower of the grass Between morning and evening, you know one one trillionth of what

God knows You know one one billionth of what's going on right now your philosophical reasoning is not perfect as nobody's is and Therefore your basis is very insufficient to challenge the revelation of Scripture that this is in fact how

God does it and if the little creature Demands that the

Creator show all his cards. Well, we're not reading the same source book Because there are a lot of those creatures in Scriptures in the scriptures that recognize

God is God and I am NOT So I hear the objection

Okay But you say you've never gotten an answer. Of course you have But your philosophical categories will not allow you to even process the

Exegetical nature of the answer given to you by Scripture. This brings us back again to what is prior

What comes first divine revelation or man's philosophies and There that that's one of the reasons that the apologetic issue is so important Because it's still referring us to the same thing

When Scripture makes an end of speaking so must we that's based upon an epistemology and understanding of the sufficiency of Scripture and the fact that God provides

What we need Not necessarily what we would like in the extent of that revelation now

Do I believe that sometime in the future in the eternity to come? Um, there's probably gonna be a whole bunch of aha moments where we go.

Ah, ah Yeah I'm sure there will be

I'm sure there will be but till then when your philosophy

Requires you to do to Genesis 50 what Layton just did to Genesis 50 Then your philosophy is not a biblical philosophy.

It's not a Christian philosophy. It's a humanistic philosophy and as such needs to be Rejected needs to be rejected.

So, um Get that.

Oh my goodness. She won't stop She is utterly deceived

I'm sorry. I'll finish up with this Folks, you couldn't be more clear. We couldn't have been more clear.

The facts are on the table. This is black and white this is this is We have a deceived sister here.

Okay, she's lost it Christine pack just six minutes ago. No lies

The screenshot shows that JW is clearly commenting in response to the man who posted a pic of his ex -wife

Who died from kovat? Paraphrase. Hey, I could post my own pic of someone who died of something other than kovat and no one would have been upset

Heartless that is a lie. Oh My goodness That I can't it is stunning to me

Mark her down We have someone who is simply intent upon creating something will not accept correction

Stunning And then she repost the picture that that requires a level of dishonesty and deceitfulness.

That is truly Astonishing astonishing

I Yet you have to at that at that point you just start going, okay Christians are to be people who are concerned about truth.

This is a person who is not therefore Wow Anybody in this woman's life that can reach her

Can talk to her elders can she needs help? She needs help. She is seeing truth right in front of her and She's just doubling down that you know

You know what? this reminds me of when we're out talking to Mormon missionaries and we show them things they cannot possibly answer and they just double down and double down and I've got my testimony and and and What about this and Joseph Smith means this to me?

It's that level of deception Really is what no what if you say no, then go ahead.

I was going to Bring up the issue. You said someone from the ministry. Yes Okay last night

I was reached out to by a member of our board of directors, right and He saw this stuff going on trying to make sense of the thread because it's

Twitter and he couldn't and So I simply right about that time someone on Twitter put the whole line together just like you showed

Yeah, and I showed it to him Now here we have a member of the board of directors someone who has the power to hold both of us accountable

And he's reaching out to me because these people are saying these things. Yep, my lion. Okay, I show him

Here's the thread He dismisses the whole thing.

Okay, that's all I need to see the end but you see they would give a people the impression that we aren't accountable that we can just simply do whatever we want and And fly off the handle we are accountable

But you see the people in our lives care about truth, yep, just like we do and They're not going to participate in a railroad and a frame job, which is what this has been from the beginning and It's just you know

We have in our whole history a lot of dishonest people that have come our path

It is amazing and it is Just the way it is and it'll be repeated over and over again.

These types of people never stop but God has ways of Dealing with this kind of thing, but folks one last comment.

This is why you must recognize Biblical parameters of witness

I I didn't see it's coming. I mean we've been using computers since they were

Not a whole lot of fun to use No, cuz I had

I had I had the compact when I was before I graduated in college that was 84 I graduated in 85 saying at an 84 yeah, yeah, so we've been using computers as 84 could not have foreseen and And screenshots became something that was really nice, you know, because you just grab it real quick and it's all subject to editing and dishonest utilization scriptural categories cannot be overthrown mouth of two or three witnesses and Especially with the stuff they're doing what they call like deep fakes.

Is that what is that what it's called? I Said something about it last year. There is this technology now where they are

Don't you remember the the one where they put? the

Terminator Arnold's face. Oh, yeah on someone on Someone else's and and it you can't tell the difference well

Go back to say 2002 2003 when we started doing mp3s, right and we first got which is now

Adobe audition right it was you could edit stuff Yeah, and I I was joking around with you about the fact that I can take with this software

I can take anybody and I can make them say anything. I want them to yep

All it takes is the amount of time to do to edit together string it together and next thing You know, I've got words coming out of your mouth that you would never believe and you'd never say but I could do it

And that technology is out there and it's not just audio anymore now now you can actually now you can actually deceive the eyes

That's the amazing thing. Yeah, that's that's the amazing thing. That's why we have to insist upon biblical standards of proof

The society Will go its direction. Yeah, and just think about what could happen

When this kind of behavior is being done by the government We've got a situation right now. We're very plainly a

An American patriot was framed. Yes by the FBI No, there's no question about it.

None. There should be an instant pardon and everybody who was involved. It should be thrown in his gap Yeah, no, there's no question about this and everyone sees it

The state there's a reason I don't trust government it's because I've read

Romans 1 and Government is a big conglomeration of people who fulfill

Romans 1 and you give them the kind of power we are now granting to the state and We disappear not only as citizens.

We just become worthless to the state so when it comes to Really talking about justice really doing justice

We have to stick with biblical standards of justice and proof

So this is an obvious lie. This is this is just situation where you know, sadly, we're seeing Christians who've just Lost it just beyond the pale Total destructive totally destructive of any credibility that they ever ever has done just bury it but what it points to is

If that can be done on this level What happens when it's done on the level of a court of law situations like that Amazing amazing really is so hey, we've gone for an hour and a half and we're supposed to be done.

So Tomorrow I want to Lay out again.

I'm not sure how much work I'm gonna be able to get done it tonight There's been a lot of things get in the way, unfortunately, but What parts of Wilson's argument do we need to focus upon what parts really aren't even relevant and I want to read through some portions of the conclusion because your conclusions where you're presenting what you think your research has proven and That's where the real issues lie

That's where the heart of the of the issue is. I do have

Something on stoic compatibilism that to be honest with you My suggestion would be if we do get to it tomorrow now,

I can't do this because I can't do caffeine because the heart situation

I had I Can't do caffeine, but my my suggestion for the rest of you is

Red Bull up Yeah Bill de

Blasio's worst nightmare Red Bull size 64 ounce mega guzzler because It ain't the most exciting stuff.

I will ever present to you, but the problem is Wilson talks of he conflates and throws together stoicism

Gnosticism manichaeism over and over and over and over again, even in the conclusion So we got to go there

Stoic determinism is not Gnostic determinism, which is not manichaean determinism, which is not Christian determinism the category separation is so great that I again am left stunned that this passed but We have to establish that and we will do so and we will do so thoroughly

And then we can do so again in debate. Yes, we can do all of that stuff But we do it in such a way that hopefully it's edifying one last thing personal request again, like I said earlier

These folks are on a mission right now. The mission is to destroy this ministry to destroy the works that we've put out

Works that have helped people And so when you see people repeating these lies, please link them to the refutations of these lies

Take a moment say that's a lie. It's been refuted multiple times go here and you'll see it.

Please be wise You don't have to get into fights about it But this is the kind of thing that causes tremendous damage in many other areas

It's sad to see it's pretty much Any of these individuals who are going to continue pushing these memes

Joel McDermott Paul Flynn Christine pack Lex Luthor and all these individuals

They are destroying not only their witness, but their reputation because this is a lie

It's been documented to be a lie. That's not even a question any longer, but it'll keep morphing and so Do us the kindness of saying actually you're you're you're you're getting bad information there

Check it out for yourself. You'll see it and Go from there. So Lord willing we'll be back tomorrow

I'm not sure when we'll figure out what the schedule looks like but back tomorrow with the aforementioned discussions.