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Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now. It's 602 nine seven three four six zero two or toll-free across the United States. It's one eight seven seven seven five. Three three three four one and now with today's topic.

Here is James white.

Weather, Travel, and Upcoming Speaking Schedule

And welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday morning. The only dividing line of this week heading up to cold and snowy, Omaha. Supposed to be having tour day Apollo Gia on on Saturday up there. People are invited to come ride a a hundred kilometers with me.

And so I started looking at the at the weather forecast. Let me let me look at the weather forecaster real quick. Let me see. This one doesn't have it up Omaha and I need to remember that's n e not n B for some reason.

Okay, Omaha, Nebraska Friday A high of 48 low of 21 chance of rain. 60 at least they took snow out that as of yesterday. They were calling for snow on Friday. Possibility of accumulations up to one inch now that's gone.

That's good. And then Saturday a Balmy high of 59 with a 70 chance of precipitation. So I am I am gathering together all of my rain gear cold weather gear shoe covers helmet covers and everything else.

For tour day Apollo Gia, which we're still gonna try to get to to happen. Come come Saturday up there in Omaha, but that's not that's not why I'm going up there. By the way, I'm gonna be speaking on apologetics and preaching at Omaha Bible Church and Doing stuff like that.

So but Saturday afternoon, we're gonna try to do that. We'll see. I Don't know. It looks like a really cool route, too. I don't know how they do this, but I was looking at today and there's 1 ,700 feet of ascent on it and I'm like, how do you do that in Omaha?

I mean, you know. Well, yeah, you do a lot of little what to do is lots of rollers. Yeah, that's what I figure is this up down up down up down all the time. Yeah, I figure that's that's that's what it is.

Not too many long sustained. We've measured every bump in the road.

But.

Anyway, so if you're up in the Omaha area, we will be looking forward to seeing you Through the rain this this coming weekend. What an interesting few days. It has been of course. I Started seeing the Bussard story.

Was that yesterday or day before yesterday of that hit? I think it was day before yesterday and We're just becoming numb to this if you don't know what I'm talking about. You know that I didn't queue it up everyone.

I figured you've watched all this stuff. Anyways Everybody knows that a an NBA player one that I'll be perfectly honest with you. I had never heard of before Has come out and announced that he is a homosexual and Of course the expected response in our culture now.

The only.

Acceptable response in our culture. Which talks about inclusivism and then denies? Inclusivism which is exclusivistic to its core. The only acceptable response is well, isn't that wonderful? Let's celebrate this.

This is this is fantastic. This is great. That's what I think you can say now. You can't you cannot say that's that's a shame. That that that that's not good. No, no, no, no, you're not even allowed to say that and so you have.

An.

ESPN analyst who is asked his own viewpoint and. What becomes very very clear is that if you are going to exist within the holy? temple of the media. The holy Temple of the media. This is part of that.

This is the the inner core of the the religion of our society is To be there in the media where you get to pontificate you get to say whatever you want to say. If you're gonna be there then you have to walk the line you have to Agree with all of the dogmas of The new American secular religion and.

So here is an ESPN basketball analyst Who is asked his personal opinion on the subject of homosexuality and the man dares to say I am a Christian and.

Any.

Sexual relationship outside of marriage between man and woman or man and man or one woman is Sinful and is it a rebellion against God and against Christ. Wow. Well, first of all. So refreshing to hear an Orthodox person speaking and making their voice known but immediately.

The.

Denizens of inclusivism prove that they're anything but that they are bald-faced Hypocrites that they should stop using the word We all know you don't believe it. Stop calling yourself. We need to be inclusive.

Just be honest and say no we need to exclude all Christian morality and ethics from our society. It's what you want. It's how you're acting. Just be honest about it. Just be straight up front say we are anti-christian bigots.

We will not engage you in a meaningful debate on this subject. We will not allow your perspective to be to be Spoken in our society, but no instead we get the hall It's so hard for people to be homosexual so you don't need this guy was hard making it harder for people and Etc. Etc.

Al Mohler was talking about this. I believe it was in this morning's briefing and He noted that who's the Calvary Chapel guy? Man, the name just slipped my mind the Calvary Chapel guy Real well known the Cowichow movement one of the big big head honchos who is the head of the National Day of Prayer thing this year and There are in already Individuals who are yeah, thank you.

It's Android and channel Greg Laurie who is the this year's head of the National Day of Prayer and there are Homosexual activists who are demanding that he not be allowed to do that because from their perspective there is no inclusivism you must celebrate our Homosexuality and if you do not you're a bigot you're a hater and you will be silenced.

We demand our uber rights. You must be silenced. Get in the closet. Get in the closet. That's what they're saying. And that's what they're doing. So at the same time, you know what has happened with well the examples you if I started down the road, I Wouldn't have time for the rest of the program it is.

Absolutely.

The.

Dogma of our society and it cannot be questioned and you cannot find a single person who can defend it when you challenge them. They stutter they stammer and start yelling and screaming at you. That's all they can do.

Because they're they they have no moral or ethical foundation. It's just all emotion and It's pretty easy to to demonstrate that. Now one of the things I have wanted to do and I I'm very very very busy right now.

You should see have you looked at my calendar recently? Have you seen how it's just filled with with four four four-letter words KBRT WW they're all radio station names and And I finally got smart enough that I started putting the names in with the time at the beginning.

So I didn't have to click on it to find out what time it was, but I have got So many interviews that I'm doing right now, and that's great. That's wonderful. In fact a week from this Thursday I'm gonna have an insane day.

I Went ahead and accepted the the invitations I went ahead and did this but I'm gonna be on from 11 to 12 on the line of fire with Michael Brown on his he's on like 250 stations and On you've been line of fire talking about the new book on on the Quran.

And by the way, when I say the new book, it's a new book. That's out I have mentioned that I'm I have now started we should barely and I've now started writing the next book. There we are have exchanged their first sections and I'm excited about that and now we got to jump on to the next one and and If we work well together.

This won't take all that long because actually each one of us is only writing half of a book when you think about it just lengthwise. But anyway, so the new book is the one that's out whatever Christian needs to know about the Quran.

So Lots of people want to talk about this right now. There's lots of interest in this.

And.

So next Thursday on with Michael Brown 11 to 12 and then at 255 to 345. I'm on I believe a station in Minneapolis. I Have 15 minutes before the dividing line. We do the dividing line for an hour and somehow we're gonna have to figure out how to have the station on hold.

Because they're gonna be calling as we're finishing up the program. Oh You're going this is gonna be easy for you. Just not a single you realize that's the program. You're gonna have to be spot-on because if we have any oops, that's gonna sound really bad that you did that but Rich says he can handle this and so anyway as soon as the closing music goes off switch me over and we will be on The Pilgrim Radio Network, I believe for another hour after that, so it's like four plus hours just on Thursday and Really exciting.

I mean, it's great. That's exciting. I I want to see. I was just told that on that. This week it was the number.

One.

Baker publishing book on Amazon. So that's that's good. It of course, it's just released. So it sort of has to be you don't get close and it's not gonna do very well afterwards. But anyway, so it's It's it's number one book with us too, isn't it?

Yes, it is right now. It's it's beating everything else up, isn't it? It's even doing better than the Potter's Freedom and that amazing so anyhow I Was just sitting there I just sat down for the really for the first times that came out and just sort of started reading through It reading end notes, which is really hard because there's so small.

But just going wow, yeah, I mean there were times honestly I haven't mentioned this but there are times Where I would spend an entire day on a single what is now an end note footnote, whatever. Just a single footnote and you say why would it take you?

Why are you so dull that it would take you that long? I wanted to make a point and I had to make make sure of my sources had to make sure that Stuff was spelled right make sure that the references were correct.

And sometimes stuff is really hard to track down. So As I've said many many times for if you read the book Read the end notes. Read my end note books. Read my end note book. Yes, read my book, but read the end note book.

Anyhow all of that was a about an eight minute diversion from getting back to what I was going to be saying and That is that Once I get back, I don't have much time between This trip to Omaha and the trip to Montana where I'm gonna be debating Justin Lee the head of the gay Christian network and But it would be good for me Given that I need to be shifting my attention over to that area for a while.

Though I'll be doing all these interviews on Islam. I'll still be trying to prepare for a debate on homosexuality. Should I give Justin a copy of my book during the bag? I suppose that would be Be sort of odd, but maybe I'll give him the same-sex controversy and that book together.

That would be that'd be the way to do it anyway, I Want to try to be disciplined enough to start responding to a Letter that I only saw because Michael Brown responded to it, but Michael only responded to it very very briefly.

And when I read it, I just I just in my heart I said I have to Respond to this and not in some long written form my initial thought was a lengthy video and then I realized this is a young person Calls himself a Christian sort of and I think I need to break this up into short bits and you say oh you're being mean.

No, no I just recognize what I'm dealing with today. I mean if I were to present a 45 minute video most young people wouldn't watch that I Need to keep it to each each section maybe below six seven minutes or so even that might be pushing it because The fact the matter is this generation does not have a long attention span because of the way they've been raised they've been raised watching things on TV on computer screens and and When it doesn't change after a while they start getting fidgety and they want to swipe it or press it or do something and move on to something else so anyway there was an on April 7th of this year a Letter was posted titled an open letter to the church from my generation and I really really It's not long.

In fact, it's short enough to go ahead and read it to you. I think I think it will I think it will In the middle is a video. Mm-hmm. I Will not play that but uh, it's by people I've never heard of before.

Sorry, I.

I do not know who Macklemore is I don't know who Ryan Lewis is. But it is a video of a song celebrating homosexuality and gay marriage called same love. I Will have to respond to the video but I'm gonna have to just quote the video because I can guarantee you it would not matter.

If.

Under any Legal ruling in the world. It was fair use of me to replay it and criticize it because the subject I will never ever ever get treated fairly. Well, it won't happen. I'll be kicked off YouTube in a second.

That's just the way it is that there is it there is bigotry and Anti-christian bigot. There's anti-christian bigotry in Google in YouTube. It's just the reality. That's what it is. No question about it.

No question about it, but I'll have to respond to it because of what it says the whole the whole theory of it same love. Same love. No, it's not. No it is not and If you can't for even a moment set your bigotry aside.

To consider why the love the self-sacrificial love of a husband For his wife who bears his children is different than the feelings and emotions that exist between two men. If you can't if you can't set your bigotry aside long enough to consider that well, then then you really really are a bigot.

I mean since that seems to be a term that we're throwing around. Let's use it correctly. Shall we it is not the same love. It is not not self-sacrificing. It is not love for one who is different than yourself.

It's love for a mirror a representation of yourself. When you change the direct object of the verb you change the meaning of the verb. And for a man to marry a woman. It's not the same thing as for a man to marry a man.

It is not the same love and no one whose worldview is determined by the Holy Scriptures could ever ever make that statement. So the first thought across my mind an Open letter to the church from my generation.

Is this person inside or outside? Is this a person who bows the knee to Jesus Christ or is this a person saying that you need to bow the knee to? Culture, but the church needs to bow to my desires and to my wants and to my predilections.

Now, of course given that there have been so many who have presented the church as just that for so long. Can we be overly surprised when people adopt that attitude as this writer does? An open letter the church from my generation church doesn't say dear church.

It just says church. I got to go to the Macklemore concert on Friday night. If you want to hear about how that went ask me seriously. I want to talk about it until I die. The whole thing was great, but the best part was when Macklemore sang same love.

Augustana's gym was filled the ceiling with 5 ,000 people mostly aged 18 to 25 and decked out in thrift store gear. American flag bro tanks neon Nikes MC hammer pants people actually wear those. That's not in there as a comment for my part.

My cowboy boyfriend wore cowboy boots not ironically. The arena was brimming. Now see I there was a day when that would tell me this was written by a woman. But now I don't know. Can't tell anymore. The arena was brimming with excitement and adrenaline during every song.

But when he started to play same love the place about collapsed. Why while the song is popular everywhere. Sorry, I'd never heard it. No one maybe not even Macklemore feels its true tension like we do in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

If you're not familiar, here's the song stop. Did you watch it watch it? Well, we're not gonna be playing it on the program before the song. Macklemore spoke really simple words on the lines of hey, you can all have your own opinions on how we treat gay people in this country.

But this is mine. And I held my breath in anticipation of some kind of uproar or walk out. But the crowd cheered louder than they had yet in our red state in our conservative little city the 5 ,000 young people in that arena.

Wanted to hear about marriage. Equality. Hear the buzzwords already. Marriage equality there was nobody nobody in that arena. They wanted to hear about marriage equality. Not a one. They wanted to hear about marriage redefinition.

They didn't want to hear about marriage equality. You know don't use words that mean something other than what you intend. It's dishonest. It's the sign of shallow thinking. I don't want marriage equality.

They don't want to have people to have the freedom to marry their own children or their grandparents. They're not even talking about marriage equality for bisexuals because they're not talking about the ability to marry both a man and a woman.

Though that's the next logical step. Obviously during the song almost every person at the concert had their hands up and their eyes closed. It reminded me of church.

Really.

Sounds like an emotional experience. Not the proclamation of God's truth and worship and things like that. But the whole crowd spoke every word with Macklemore. We were thirsty.

Italics.

For those words we want to hear about equality and love in a gentle way. We're sick of the harsh words of both sides really. Say what you want about my generation, but we can smell fake from a mile away.

Really? That's why you're following the political leaders. You're following because you can smell fake from a mile away. I'm sorry young man or woman that just isn't the case and Unfortunately, you'll probably have to wait till you're 35 or 40 to find out about that.

But then it'll be too late. Because they will have used you all the way up to that point in time. This rapper from Seattle had brought us truth in song form and we all knew it. I Live in such a conservative bubble that I couldn't believe the crowds positive thankful reaction, but I shouldn't have been surprised.

No one knows the tension of that song like my generation in South Dakota does so many of us were brought up in churches and Christian homes and Even if we weren't we've experienced the traditional Christian culture that just resonates from South Dakota's prairie land.

We know conservatism. We know tradition. But we also have Twitter we watch SNL we listen to Macklemore and we read Tina Fey. We're more in touch with the rest of the country than the Midwest has ever been.

Some of us love the church and some of us hate it. There aren't too many people for whom it's irrelevant. So when Macklemore takes on that tension with his poetry his South Dakota audience listened. We practically yelled with him when he spoke the lyrics quote when I was at church.

They taught me something else if you preach hate at the service. Those words aren't anointed that holy water that you soak in has been poisoned. End quote. We yelled because we knew that holy water too.

Well, we knew what hate that we knew that hateful preaching too. Well, we had all been hurt by it in one way or another. My point of writing this isn't to protect gay people. Things are changing the world's becoming a safer place for my gay friends.

They're going to get equal rights. I'm writing this because I'm worried about the safety of the church. The church keeps scratching its head. Wondering why 70 of 23 to 30 year olds who are brought up in church leave.

I'm going to offer a pretty candid answer and it's going to make some people upset. But I care about the church too much to be quiet. We're scared of change. We always have been when scientists propose that the earth could be moving through space church bishops condemn the teaching.

Setting Psalm 104 5 to say that God set the foundation the church the earth on its foundations. It can never be moved, but the scientific theory continued and the church still exists. I'm saying this we cannot keep pitting the church against humanity or progress.

Don't hear me saying that we can't fight culture on anything. Lots of things in culture absolutely contradictory to love and equality and we should be battling those things. The way culture treats women or pornography get at that church.

I'll be right there with you, but my generation the generation can smell bleep. Just think of Rob Bell. Especially holy bleep. Think of Rob Bell from a mile away. Will not stick around to see the church fight gay marriage against our better judgment.

You hear that. But my generation the generation is smell bleep. Especially holy bleep from a mile away will not stick around to see the church fighting gay marriage against our.

Better.

Judgment, it's my generation who is overwhelmingly supporting marriage equality and church as a young person and as a theologian. It is not in your best interest to give them that ultimatum so we have a young theologian here who has just identified.

The historic Christian teaching on marriage the relationship of Christ and his church all of human sexuality as holy bleep. Hasn't given us any reasoning and I can guarantee you couldn't. But you see it's all the emotion of a song that's the real thing.

My whole life. I've been told again and again that Christianity is not conducive with homosexuality. What is that? What does that even mean? You've been told again again that Christianity has positive teaching as to what?

Sexuality is what gender is what a husband is what a wife is what a marriage is what a family is what a father is what a mother is. Yeah positive teachings and. And homosexuality violates every single element of that all of it completely redefinition.

That's what you've been taught my whole life. I've been told again and again that Christianity is not conducive with homosexuality. It just doesn't work out. I was forced to choose between the love I had for my gay friends and so-called biblical authority.

I Chose gay people and I'm willing to wager. I'm not the only one. No, you're not. Because if you don't hear the voice of Christ in his word, what did Jesus say you're not one of his sheep and when your feelings.

When your personal hubris is enough to cause you to go. I don't need that Bible stuff. Well, you're just showing your true nature. I Said quote if the Bible really says this about gay people. I'm not too keen on trusting what it says about God.

End quote. And I left my church. There's only been lately that I have seen evidence that the Bible could be saying something completely different about love and equality. Oh.

Yeah.

There you go. Oh, hey, maybe it's not really condemning homosexuality at all you think. You wonder why we have Dealt with these issues over and over and over and over again. Because this is the way you get around it.

Obviously only two more paragraphs. So my advice to you the church. This from a person who has yet to see 30 years of age. My advice to you church if you're looking for some intelligent biblical Liberal opinions on the subject have a little coffee chat with your local Methodist or Episcopal pastor.

In other words stop believing that Bible stuff get wise like I have. Christians can be all about gay people. It's possible people do it every day with a clear biblical conscience. Don't call that a biblical conscience.

Find out if you think there's truth in that view before you sweep us under the rug. Well, I have. You can't have a conservative view on gay marriage or gay ordination. You can. But I want you to have some serious conversations with God.

Your friends that disagree with you and maybe even some gay people Christians or not before you decide that this one view is worth marginalizing my generation. Weigh those politics against what you're giving up us.

Catch that.

Weigh those politics against what you're giving up.

Us.

Do you think this young theologian? Has this lightest idea? What the Bible actually teaches about the church. What the Bible teaches about the authority of God. God's law the cross. Atonement any of this.

No. This is not a Christian. This is a young person raised in some kind of a church. But has never been regenerated has never been changed has never been broken. Repentant of sin bowed at the foot of the cross and they that's why this person has the hubris the gall.

The.

Amazing gall to pretend to tell the church what to do and To tell the church you as the church must change or you will lose me. Because you you you need me.

Any person any person.

Who thinks the church needs. You doesn't know what the church is. You need the church. You serve the church. You don't command the church. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. We want to stay in your churches.

We want to hear about your Jesus, no, you don't. No, you don't. My Jesus Taught Matthew chapter 19 my Jesus taught what marriage is. You don't believe in that Jesus. You want a different Jesus and a different message.

You are in rebellion, that's what happens when unregenerate people are in churches. They eventually leave. That's how it works. If they don't then you're not preaching the gospel and there are so many people running around to the just absolutely beside themselves.

We've got to do something about this.

Don't get me wrong. I Often address the young people of our congregation. But I don't address them in such a way. As we will roll over and change everything we believe just to make you feel good. No. That is not a message that any meaningful person would ever want to embrace in the first place.

We want to stay in your churches want to hear about your Jesus. But it's hard to hear about love from a God who doesn't love our gay friends and we all have gay friends. Oh well. So God can't talk about homosexuality, huh?

Can't call homosexual to repentance, huh? Hmm how about how about a thief? How about an adulterer? How about a fornicator? How about any type of sin? Oh, no. No, we can't talk about sin because we all have friends who do those sins, huh?

Yeah, okay.

Help us find love in the church before we look for it outside. Oh my friend. The Christian message is before you can understand the love of God. You understand the holiness of God. And that's what you won't accept.

You want the love of God without the holiness of God. And Christianity doesn't offer you that oh, there's all sorts of fake Christianity, but you know, it's fake. You know that. That's why you're writing to the church.

And yet you just said well, you know the Methodist and Episcopalians. So you realize that's not the church. You can you can smell that fake. That's easy, isn't it? Help us find love in the church before we look for it outside.

These are the words of an unbroken individual an individual who has not come to understand his own need for repentance and salvation. And Folks if you are in the church and you have bowed the knee in repentance and faith before Jesus Christ.

You must hear these words for what they are. These are words calling you to dishonor the gospel of Jesus Christ. These are words calling you to give in to emotional thought rather than biblical revelation and on the basis of Emotional thought to blaspheme the work of Christ upon the cross because I've said it before I'm gonna say it now again.

If the Bible is not clear enough to tell us about human sexuality. About about marriage about the relationship of man and woman and about homosexuality then it cannot tell us anything. About how we should live.

It cannot tell us what sin is. And if we don't know what sin is that we don't need one to bear our sins and therefore we don't need a cross. We don't need a Savior. We don't need the resurrection. It's all a fraud.

So when you have people that pull the emotion card. Then please we are made in the image of God. Those who are made in the image of God are not ruled by their emotions. There is a Greek term learn it.

Sophronis moss discipline. Discipline. Sober-mindedness. We have to be able to look through the emotions. Identify the errors and while controlling our own emotions. Put up with the emotional explosion that you always get.

When you challenge someone like this and say do you realize what you are saying. Do you realize what will happen to this world and to your children? If you create a society that functions in this way, you see why I want to do some videos.

But I will have to be disciplined. In my responses, I'll have to keep them short. I'll have to be very very careful. Very very careful. In how I say what I say if I want them to even remain available because you know, you know.

That it would not take much. For all 580 some-odd videos on my channel to disappear. I think before I start posting them We better make sure we've got copies of every single one. 877 -753 -3341 is the phone number.

Matthew 16 and Petrine Primacy

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Let's go to the callers and let's talk with Philip in Pennsylvania. Hi Philip. Hi.

Yep, I've been there. I saw it. You saw it. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, let me just mention the folks that we're talking about.

We're talking about the fact that in st Peter's Cathedral in the Vatican in Rome around the inside of the dome in gold and I was assuming it ain't fake gold.

Is.

Encrusted the words in Latin of Matthew 16 18 I also say to your Peter and upon this rock will build my church. The gates of Hades will not overpower it. And for years in my encounters with Roman Catholic apologists, I have pointed out the fact that Jesus says you are Peter and I do not follow the Petras Petra Distinction issue.

It's just a simple matter of language. You are Peter and upon Chi Epi Tau Te Te Petra upon this rock. Now if I'm speaking to someone in the first person I'm not going to say you are Peter and Upon this I'm gonna say and upon you but he doesn't say upon you.

No matter what Tau Te has to be in the Greek has to be explained as to what it is. And the two the Petrine Interpretation that Rome has adopted is by far by any Honest count. By any honest count of any patristic scholar is by far the minority.

The majority interpretation in the patristic period is Either that you're talking about the the faith that Peter has confessed.

Or.

Upon the Essence of that faith, which is the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So in other words this rock is you are the Christ the Son of the Blessed One. The rock of course is therefore Christ.

That's by far More popular than the later Roman interpretation despite the fact that you will hear Roman Catholic apologists like Tim Staples. I have heard him say this. I haven't heard him say this recently.

But this was years ago when he was first getting started. Maybe he has realized he was wrong about that without ever mentioning it. But I heard him say that every single Church father in all of history Interpreted Matthew 16 18 the way Rome does.

And that's just that is so ridiculously laughable. And yet there you know there there was so. Yes, I remember standing there looking up at that and going oh for but a little bit of meaningful interpretation.

Sure.

Yeah, actually there's a discussion of this in my books on Roman Catholicism. The only one currently in print is the Roman Catholic controversy. It does address this the first line of Matthew 16 19 is do so soy toss Clyde off taste by Celia's Tone-or-unknown, which is I will give you do so is future now soy is singular.

And so he is addressing Peter, but he's addressing Peter not about something He's doing at that point in time, but something he will do in the future. It's do so and so I always ask Roman Catholic apologists Since this is not when this happens and most of them interpret as if this is The giving to Peter of the keys since this is future.

Where does Matthew record for us? The fulfillment of this promise. Now the answers generally are in to Fall into two camps. Some will say that it happens in Matthew 18. But if it happens in Matthew 18 all of the disciples receive the same authority without Peter receiving any special authority there.

Which would fit again with the best patristic interpretation of the keys to where all the disciples? Receive the power of the keys not just Peter. Peter does not receive them in some special way which is the dogmatic Roman interpretation of the concept at least of the Of the topic of the concept of the Petrine authority and power.

Others will say no Matthew just doesn't record it and so you have the idea of That this is a this this tremendous promise upon which the entire church itself is gonna be built and Matthew goes I don't think we need to worry about when that was fulfilled.