Dead Men Walking Podcast: Abby Johnson From Planned Parenthood To Pro Life

Opening Banter and Winter Weather

Well, hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking. I am Greg and to my left is our fearless co-host and leader Mr. Jason Hamlin. Hey guys, how's it going? Sometimes I think you just hold out as long as possible to make me nervous to see if you're gonna say something Just I'm just waiting for you to just go ahead and say my name just cuz it's it gets to that I've said it many times now.

It's like and I'm Jason. Well, here's the thing man, you got to realize I am in extra When tight personality, so I don't let you are let's know. I don't like if there's too much silence. I'll just fill it.

Yes, sometimes I'm like man. Take a breath Greg. Take a breath. Seriously. It's okay. How you doing, man? I'm doing awesome man looking at some beautiful snow and yeah Great mitten state of Michigan. Yeah, we got dumped down.

We got well, we're not dumped two three. I mean, yeah. For us probably I said dumped and people in Wisconsin listen, I know like Minnesota somebody up in North Dakota's like Seriously, yeah, right. No, but it is very cold outside and Yeah.

So what's been up with you? I know you just had a birthday. Yeah Emsley Jane Hamlin is turning one on February 3rd and Yeah, we are excited. Where's the where's the applause? Yeah I'm just like another year to she we can boot you out of here and she can be the co-exec.

Yeah. Yeah. No, no. No, she'll be a penny for me. She'll be at her job. Oh job it three years. She's gonna need to pay some bills. That's funny why we have kids it's kind of right. Yeah, my dad had kids I was working 50 hours a week when I was 12.

All right, I was to you were to my dad was a business owner As well, so that's what you got to do in your business. So what happened? I got three little realtors out there I know right? Are you guys you guys are like, yeah, we're homeschooling them in real real estate.

Homeschooling, Practical Life Skills, and Fast Food Stories

I will tell you this though. Speaking about homeschooling and even like what you do at home. Isn't it funny the stuff that we don't learn in public school? Oh my god, you don't learn like, you know Accounting finance how the stock market works accounting real life, right?

Exactly difference between investing and saving money how to pay your taxes how tax-exempt stuff works. It's great an LLC wouldn't that be great if they taught that in school. It would be amazing if they gave you practical things to think about right through life.

You know, you shouldn't have to learn something at at 20 or you know, 40. Yeah I mean instead I came out of public school and I was like the war of 1812 wasn't in 1812. Yeah. Yeah, exactly I Wasn't there that day I had Kobe you were so I don't know you you were out probably having breakfast in the morning I probably was I am scheduling class.

I did it a couple times. I will not lie. I went to Tim Hortons. Yeah. Yeah, and had me a coffee and a donut and probably three sandwiches because I was young and well, actually I do that now I don't even care.

I'll be honest with you when I go to McDonald's I get two of the biggest sandwiches you could find. Oh, we were down in Nashville. There's a couple mornings. I'm still hurting from that. We we worked out.

We had like Box or whatever. Oh gosh that day was so bad. We went to Jack in the Box. We were up till 2 o 'clock in the morning got up at about 630. We were like, we need some here's the thing Fast food for breakfast.

Well the Jack in the Box you ended up getting the biggest sandwich. Menu, I had never seen a burrito that big in my life. Just handed it out. Check this out though. You only ate half of yours. Oh. That's true my entire burrito and then we were trying to do ten interviews a day and I'm just sitting there a burrito.

Oh my gosh, I am talking to people, you know, yeah, that's funny. It was horrible. Oh, man. So yeah, we're getting halfway through winter here in Michigan. I am excited to get into spring and summer. That's my favorite time but right we got a chance To sit down with Miss Abby Johnson.

Abby Johnson's Conversion From Planned Parenthood to Pro-Life Advocacy

Yeah earlier today and Interview her a lot of fun did a little zoom interview with her. She's she was a director at Planned Parenthood. Mm-hmm. I mean she was full force like Planned Parenthood. It's the way to go, right, you know pro-choice The Lord radically saved her and then she awesome story.

Yeah awesome movie such an yeah. What is that money on unplanned is the name of the movie unplanned movie. Yeah, and she was kind of part of that and now she's a pro-life advocate very. She's sassy. I would say man.

Yeah, she get it. I wish we could have sat here and talked to her for a lot longer, but 20 minutes was what she had. Yeah, she might have got away with 25. I don't know. Well by the time the internet freezing and things.

Yeah. Yeah, for those of you listening on the podcast. It'll sound perfect for you because of Jason and I's perfect editing. No, no, it's all you don't blame me for that. And when I say perfect, I'm being facetious.

Yeah, right. But the video might look a little different, but we did get to sit down with her. We talked about you know, what it's gonna look like politically with new justices. What what can the church do to step up is our trust in the federal government or not, right?

Is you know, what's the Christian response to saying? Oh Planned Parenthood is just health care for women. You talked to her about you know. What is the right approach to being on the street when you're in front of an abortion mill when you're in front of an abortion?

Clinic, right and how do we balance that with both respect and urgency, right? Right, which I thought was a really good question. Yeah, because you can really go sideways on that you can I mean I have you have you ever driven past a an abortion clinic?

I have while it was well, not why people were out front, but I know we're a couple were located. I've been in front of a few and just seeing this some some of the signs. But I but you know at the same time, I mean you want people to realize what's going on, you know I I mean I I I kind of sit on the on the line of that.

You know, but but always. Being salt and light, you know, yeah. Loving your neighbor. I mean and and you know, if you don't have to you don't have to stand there with a sign. But uh, but you know. It's like just being there and letting people know that you're there for them and that you'll do anything that you can to save the baby.

That they are possibly going to terminate. Because that is a life. Yeah, that is a life and we've had three shows now on. Four is this for now? We've had Durbin. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. We had Savannah on she's in it we had pro-life man.

That Abby so we've hit we know a lot of people in this abortion now and abortion now. Yep. We had him on. Here was the thing that was the most surprising to me when we when Jeff and those guys out there an apology a radio first.

Got started doing their street ministry. I had people over here. So they're out in Arizona I had people like Michigan, Ohio like oh, they're just sign holders and they're rough and all and they kind of got this like Bad rap.

Yeah bad bad rap. And then when we have Jeff on if you go back and listen to that episode and I encourage everyone to go listen to that. He was just like, oh no the compassion we have for these right of like, please allow us to help you.

We only have 30 seconds. We will take the baby. We'll get an adoption. We'll take care of it. Whatever you need. Yeah, and I just went oh wow. And then Abby came on in this interview you're gonna hear and she pretty much does the same thing like we have to approach that.

Yes with urgency. Yeah, right, but but Standing outside and yelling at someone maybe not the best now. That's the truth if you're showing a picture of an aborted baby. Yes, that's the truth. It is true and You're not lying, right?

Okay, but sometimes We need to approach in love with urgency. And I do like that both Abby Advocated for that and then Jeff kind of changed my mind on it when I went then you actually go back and watch some of Their videos you go.

Oh, these guys aren't out there harassing people exactly. They're like we want to help right because that's a human life. Yeah, you know in the womb. Yeah, and it and it always tends to with with the with someone looking at the Christian community.

They're just like oh, they're just wanting these babies just to brainwash them about Jesus. Yeah, so What it is it is it's just like man like we're stepping up. Well, I shouldn't say we because I haven't done it.

Yeah, right there may possibly be a moment in my life where you know, God may change my heart on that and we may adopt but But you know, there's people out there fighting in that way and adopting children and and loving loving kids and Loving life.

Introducing Abby Johnson and Her Ministry Work

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so guys we're gonna drop you into the Session we had with Abby. I hope you guys enjoy it. Well, yeah today on the podcast We have Abby Johnson. She was a Planned Parenthood director and now she's pro-life advocate.

She was the subject of the movie called unplanned movie, which is cool CEO of and then there was one and also pro-love ministries and you can find her on instagram at pro-life Abby Johnson on today Abby Johnson.

How are you? Oh That was the wrong button, okay, that's okay. Well, we can laugh too because she's funny I've seen her speak our friend who we've had on here before Savannah Martin who is the director of the Pregnancy Center?

I actually saw Abby speak at one of their fundraiser sweet endings and I thought it was unbelievable. We want to have her on because she's an expert in the field of the pro-life movement. So Abby, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about who you are in your background?

Leaving Planned Parenthood After an Ultrasound-Guided Abortion

Yeah, yeah, so I worked at Planned Parenthood for eight years. I was a Clinic director ran both the family planning and the abortion program. Their Planned Parenthood, which by the way, I have a podcast and I have to tell you I'm like, I'm super jealous.

Like your little soundboard there. I've been on my producer like since I started my podcast like dude get me sound more. I want a sound board. Yeah, I Still don't have one. Well, I in fact my parents for Christmas got me one.

It's still sitting in the box because I'm like I look at it and I'm like, this is intimidating.

I don't even know how to do with it. How would you be able to do things like this, you know?

Exactly I need it. I need it in my life. Like I I need I need. Like Trump's voice going wrong.

You know, what is your podcast. Throw it out there for the yeah, what is your podcast. Let him know.

Oh, yeah, it's called politely rude with Abbie. John's awesome. No, we'll go subscribe. Yeah, listen, um, anyway. Yeah, so anyway, I worked at Planned Parenthood for eight years ran the clinic left in 2009 after witnessing a live abortion ultrasound guided abortion procedure saw 13 week old baby fighting struggle for his life ultimately lost his life during that abortion procedure and Left Planned Parenthood started to expose them and their business model To the world and I've been doing that ever since and I'm pretty much Planned Parenthood, you know public enemy number one love that and Yeah, that's me I you know, as you said I now run an organization I called and then there were none we are trying to get Abortion clinic workers and are successfully getting abortion clinic workers out of the abortion industry getting them Into hope and healing our hope and healing program and getting them into a relationship with Jesus Christ, which is ultimately our goal.

Awesome. We've helped 600 abortion clinic workers leave their jobs. We've helped seven full-time abortion doctors Put down their instruments and now fight for life. And so Yeah, that's that's what we do.

Wow. That's awesome.

That I mean not only are you helping the women and the men and the children that are involved. But also even like you're saying the medical professionals that are in a profession where you say look at there's something better for you.

And we can transition you out of that. I think that's huge. So we just want to ask you a couple questions because I know you have a few minutes for us. First of all, sometimes I feel like I get pushed back from the church that says look at you guys are one issue.

Church. You're a one issue kind of segment of the population. You're always talking about abortion. You're talking about the pro-life movement. We need to care about other things. And this is kind of a two-part question.

What is the response to that when? You know someone does say that is that is it important to be in the pro-life movement and in Politically bringing that up and within the church bringing that up and then to.

What does our political outlook look like? I know you work in policy as well. With the new justices and things like that. Do you think we're gonna see a movement towards a more pro-life? Friendly states and federal government or do you think that is just just a pipe dream for those of us in the pro-life movement?

The Church's Silence on Abortion and the Pro-Life Response

Yeah, so I mean look I think that the reason that we're in this situation that we're in right now is because of the Apathy and the silence in the Christian Church. I mean 100 hands down the Christian Church has been an utter disaster and utter failure on the topic of abortion.

We've been we've been so incredibly concerned about offending our neighbor that we have forgotten that our primary concern should be about offended in the heart of God and You know, we're sitting around, you know worried about.

You know What our friggin, you know stage looks like and do we have the right? Acoustics and and do we have the words up on the screen correctly and and you know in the meantime You know, we're sending believers right on the road to hell because we're you know, we're not talking about sin in the church.

We're not talking about redemption. We're not talking about the actual Word of God. We're talking more about the pastor's opinion then then actually what Jesus says and and and you know, there was a Man named dr. Bernard Nathanson who was sort of known as the king of abortion.

Back in the 70s. He was an abortionist. He actually co-founded a row. Okay 1973 and was one of the men that helped push forward Roe v. Wade. He aborted over 75 ,000 children aborted one of his own children.

He had a major conversion. In the 80s put out the documentary called the silent scream which you can watch on YouTube helped to convert hundreds of abortion doctors and in the mid -80s died a Christian.

And had a just a really amazing story has an incredible story and Anyway, he wrote a book. He wrote a couple books one was called the hand of God. It was one of the first books I read when parenthood in his book.

He said when he was talking about found a row he said we knew that abortion would take off like Wildfire in the United States if the American Christian Church would just remain silent. Oh, wow. And I tell you with over a million abortions taking place in the United States every year 62 million abortions since legalization of Roe I would say that's wildfire.

Yeah. Absolutely, and you know, we've got you know One and one in four women having abortions in the United States almost 60 of them coming from our churches. I would say we have a serious problem and It's it's complicity.

Yeah in the Christian Church that has has led us to this point and we have to root it out. We have to root it out. We have to start talking about it and you know, a lot of churches are just saying well This is a political issue to put it's not a political issue.

This is a human rights violation. This is the greatest human rights violation of our time in in history ever in history. This is the greatest human rights violation and it shouldn't be a political issue at all.

For the church. I mean God talks about the Bible talks all over the place about you know God knowing us intimately in the womb at the moment of conception. This is just this is this is a God issue. This is a Bible issue.

This is a Jesus Christ issue. You know, and so this should be very easy for pastors to talk about from the pulpit it shouldn't be controversial at all. And so, you know a church that isn't isn't, you know Proclaiming from the rooftops that they are a pro-life church that they are pro-life without exception I think is a church is leading people straight to hell.

Yeah. And and so this this is an important issue as far as policy goes and I am very politically active. I Know I don't know what the next four years is going to bring us as far as the pro-life movement goes.

I'm actually far more concerned about our freedom of speech and I'm Concerned about you know religious liberty religious freedom more than I am concerned about the pro-life issue. I'll tell you why because the pro-life issue really shines in the face of adversity.

We've never had favor. Pro-life movement has never had favor when it comes to federal administration. We've had many years where we've had where we've had Republican president Republican House Republican Senate, right?

Still abortion is Happening at a million babies every year still Planned Parenthood is being fun. Still Abortion clinics are open Operating every single day. Yeah. So we've never had like strong favor from a federal administration no matter who's in office, right?

That's never been our strong suit. That's never where we win. So where we win is is at our ground game. Where we win is at the grassroots level so we win by. You know strong pregnancy center movement we win.

You know standing out in front of abortion clinics doing it effectively doing it the right way, right? That's where we win we win by strong state legislative appeals by you know state legislative effort.

The strongest the pro-life movement has been in the past 20 years was during the eight years of the Obama Obama administration. We passed record number pro-life state state bills. We had you know more pregnancy centers open than any other time.

We had more pro-life vigils out in front of abortion facilities that those eight years were the strongest eight years of the pro-life movement. Has seen in the past 20. So I'm not really worried about the pro-life movement in in a sense of oh my gosh.

You know, the pro-life movement is is doomed for the next four years. The pro-life movement is gonna be fine. Yeah, we're gonna keep doing what we've always been doing. We're gonna we're gonna Save babies, right for the next four years.

Our health has never come from the federal government. I'm more concerned about our freedom of speech. Our right to assemble inside of our churches the fact that pastors have just rolled over and allowed this incredible government overreach.

You know the fact that pastors allowed the government to violate our constitutional rights and close our churches for months and months on end. I'm more concerned about that than I am the pro-life movement.

Counseling Women at Abortion Clinics With Truth and Urgency

Wow. Yeah, man, you you got my head spinning right now.

I think I wish we only we had more than 20 minutes with you right now, Abby. I'm getting fired up right now. You got you got me going. Um, but yeah I I think one of the things that I did want to ask you about you just touched on it being outside of a outside of a Abortion clinic.

I mean, what is the proper attitude? Because I know you only have I mean Jeff Durbin even said you only have 30 Seconds to it. Maybe not even 30 seconds. You got 15 seconds while somebody's walking in, you know to just to just plead with them to possible life-or-death situation.

Yeah possible life-or-death situation. I've heard that 78 of the of the women that go in and come back out after seeing just a short Ultrasound yeah. Yeah. I mean they end up changing their mind. I mean, so what as we are out here trying to fight but trying to do it without being over-the-top standing out there with signs and Pitchforks and yelling at people, you know, I mean, hopefully no one's doing that out there.

But yeah. What what's your attitude towards the people that are standing outside on the sidewalk and in doing it with a balance of respect? Yes, respect and urgency at the same time. Yes.

So I can tell you it doesn't change a woman's mind, you know holding a sign that says, you know Babies are being murdered in here that that doesn't that's not gonna change a woman's mind. You know holding a big sign with a dead baby on it that's not gonna change, you know, nothing nothing says I'm approachable.

Like holding a big sign with a big bloody baby on it, right? So, you know and let me say I'm not opposed to graphic images In general, but there's a there's a place right there's like a time and a place for them.

You know, if you're trying to reach a woman who's in crisis who's feeling desperate, right? You know a big bloody picture of a dead baby head. It's probably not gonna not gonna tell her like come talk to me.

I'm safe, right? Yeah. So, you know, you've got it. You've got to like get in her head like where what is she thinking right now? It's not a woman on the planet who walks into an abortion clinic going.

I'm so exercise. I'm so right I'm so like pumped about exercising my right to choose today. You know a woman walks into an abortion clinic because she feels like she has no other choice. That's the whole lie of being pro-choice.

There's no choice about it. Yeah, you know almost 70 of women say that they feel like. They're forced or coerced into having an abortion. So, you know, we're talking about women who feel like they're out of options.

They feel like they have no other choice when we're out there on the sidewalk. Then our goal is to really be a professional problem solver for her to let her know that there are other choices. So let her know that no matter what it is No matter what is is driving her into that clinic that day that we have a solution.

She needs housing. We've got it. She needs transportation. We've got it. She's childcare. No problem. Whatever it is. We have the answer to that problem that we will case manage the crap out of whatever needs.

She has that day like we'll handle it, you know, and that's why I started the ministry love line. People can find out more about it love line comm because women don't just need diapers, right? They don't just need wipes.

They don't just need a couple of onesies and send them on their way. They need us living life with them. They need us like getting messy in their affairs like in their lives, right they need us like doing life with them and No matter how messy it gets no matter how rocky that journey gets like they need us to know that we're not just gonna split.

We're not just gonna say oh great. You didn't have the abortion today. Yeah, you know. Like they need to know that we're gonna be with him on this journey whether their baby is, you know. Two years old even if that kid when that kid is 10 years old, right?

They can still pick up the phone and say hey, I'm really struggling today. Can you help me? I mean we need to be committed to have lifelong relationships with these women that we're not just there to be.

You know. Someone who's there for like a hot second, but someone who's there for a lifetime. We want to build friendships with these women. Yeah. And so because we want to be with them in eternity, right?

So, I mean this is it's not just an earthly thing. This is an eternal thing. Yeah, um, and and so it's it's important how we approach them that we approach them with love. We approach them with truth, right like firm truth.

Yeah, um, but that you know, when I'm when I'm out there on the sidewalk, I'm like listen late like I've I've been where you are. I've had crisis pregnancies. I know exactly where you've been. I know what you feel like today, and I know that abortion is not going to solve your problems.

Yeah, but I have the solutions to your problem. So you need a car. I'll find you one. You need a place to live with me. I mean, I have a woman there I have I have a steady stream of single moms living in our house all the time.

Right. I mean, I don't think our spare bedroom has ever been empty. So like we have to be the solutions to these problems. Yeah, we can't just say like oh Great don't have an abortion. See you later. Good for you.

Like we have to be the solution, right? So we got a woman we we adopted a baby that needed a home. My family adopted a baby it needed a home there. We got a phone call said there's a baby needs a home coming in two weeks and we were like sweet.

We're in. It's not being pro-life is not always about being comfortable. Being pro-life is messy. Yeah. It is about getting uncomfortable every single day of your life and you know what and that that.

That includes the church to you know pastors. It's being uncomfortable when you're standing up there at that pulpit and you're preaching about life and you're preaching about sin and you're preaching about God's Redemption.

That's uncomfortable. But that's what God has called us to be. He called us to be. Uncomfortable and so we have to live that out every single day in our lives. Yeah, that's so good.

I think what I'm hearing you say and something we hit often on on the podcast, too Is what you just explained sounds to me like the the Christian gospel and discipleship. It's not. Let's throw a product or service or a check at a charity.

Let's actually get down in the mud and do discipleship and love our neighbor love our neighbor as ourselves. I'll be salt and light be salt and light scripture say and unfortunately I feel like a lot of you know A lot of churches and I think this is rightly why the world will look at the church and say well.

You're a one-issue voter. You just talk about this one thing because we talk about it. We're we're against this, right? We're pro that but it ends at lip service and it's like well, what are you really doing to change this?

Are you discipling? Are you you know, like you said adopting letting people into your home actually getting down there walking alongside someone and I feel like what you're saying is is very true to example of what the Christian walk and discipleship is.

So I thank you for that. I don't just don't. Just talk about it. Be about it right. Be about it. Absolutely.

Why Planned Parenthood's Services Are Still Tied to Abortion

I want to shift gears here a little bit as we round this out. For those of those those listening You were involved heavily in Planned Parenthood Before you obviously got it gave you a change of heart.

And I've had some Christians and even non-christians will get this a lot and they go what man? What's what's up with Planned Parenthood? What's wrong with it? I mean, it's it's women's health. They're helping underprivileged and underserved women.

That's usually the go-to and anytime you really want to get into the Foundations of what Planned Parenthood was and who founded it and what the reasons were they kind of have deaf airs. But I was wondering for someone who was actually in the organization for a long time Can you speak to why we see Planned Parenthood is something that needs to be either be defunded or abolished?

Look there there is, you know, there there are things that Planned Parenthood does that you know are Non-controversial services, right? So yeah, a woman can go to Planned Parenthood and she can get an annual exam.

Yes, people can go to Planned Parenthood. They can get you know STD testing and those are things that we would say Planned Parenthood doesn't provide any That is not an abortion and people say what do you mean by that?

Okay, Planned Parenthood doesn't do STD testing because they care about the gonorrhea and chlamydia rates. They know that people who are Who need STD testing are at high risk. Are participating in in high-risk sexual behavior and they know that people who participate in high-risk sexual behavior are going to be more likely to have what and Unexpected pregnancy and people who have unexpected pregnancies are going to more than likely want what?

Abortion, right? So if they can have those touch points with those patients for other services like STD Testing then they're more likely marketing 101 tells us that they're more likely to go back to that same place when they have a crisis Pregnancy when they have an unintended pregnancy.

So, you know, it's the same thing for birth control, you know Planned Parenthood is is happy to provide birth control To women when they come in so it's the same reason that they give birth. And it's the same reason that they give birth control to people.

They're not giving birth control to two people because they want to actually reduce the abortion rate you know, they know according to their own statistics that women who have abortion women who have Abortion 54 of them were using hormonal birth control when they got pregnant.

So they know the answer to the abortion problem is not birth control. It's actually self-control, right? The self-control doesn't doesn't make the money so You know, we have we have all kinds of issues when it comes to Planned Parenthood every service that they provide is steeped in the abortion Problem, so they're always trying to sell an abortion and it may be that they're trying to give you a Product now so that that product will eventually fail so that they can sell you an abortion later but Planned Parenthood is not a it's it's you know, it's not a It's not a company where they are, you know, slathered in goodwill or anything like that.

They are always trying to sell. Yeah, and they and their primary product. Their their lowest cost highest revenue generating product is an abortion. And so a lot of times people will say well. But it's just a small part of what they do which by the way is is a total lie.

And I'm not even going to get into all of that. I've done videos about that before about how that's a lie. But let's say let's say that that was true. Let's say that only three or four percent of what they did was was killing innocent human beings.

Mm-hmm. That would still be wrong. Okay, even if it was point one, it would be wrong. I mean, can you imagine us saying that about anything else like well. You know, I I I like this business but I mean It would be a good business.

I mean, I guess it's I mean only only 3 of you sure is killing. Yeah, like only 3 of what they do is You know killing black people, yeah, I mean like there would be like it's it's some somehow we've allowed The systemic dehumanization of the unborn and we have accepted it as acceptable.

Yeah. But if it was if it was about race if it was about you know religion I mean, what if what if we said well, I mean You Know it's only three percent. They're only exterminating 3 of Muslims, right?

Yeah. Yeah, or just in your own life. Could you know?

Could you imagine going to a a skydiving company and they're like get your pack on they go. Don't worry. Only 4 of them don't open. Yeah, you'd be like, whoa, wait a minute here, right?

Like if I gave you like a pan of like warm gooey brownies now, it's like look these don't these look good. Don't worry. Only 3 of what I put in will kill you is human crap. Oh, yeah, right, right. No, right like would you still eat it?

No, because the entire pan of brownies is tainted with human crap. No, right you wouldn't eat it like that's disgusting so but that's what we have done we've allowed ourselves to be. You know, all of their services are tainted by Death of innocent human beings, right?

Yeah, so we can't support any of it no matter how good it is. No matter how good the other services are we can't accept any of it. Because part of what they do no matter how big no matter how small the part is part of what they do is exterminating the lives of innocent human beings and and killing innocent human beings is not okay in any other a No other place in history in time.

Is it okay to kill innocent human beings? Yeah, absolutely.

Getting Involved in the Pro-Life Movement

So as we wrap this up here, I want to throw two things out to you. One if someone's listening right now man or woman. Maybe they've been involved with an abortion. Maybe not. Or maybe they're listening to you and they go.

I want to get involved. What would your advice be to them to get involved in the pro-life movement and to? Why don't you tell everyone where they can reach you where you where you want them to follow you at?

What social media platforms you're using?

Yeah, so I'm sort of. Yeah, so you want to get involved in the pro-life movement? There's lots of ways, you know, you can involve with pride walking into abortion facilities. Get involved in your local pregnancy Resource Center.

You know lots of different ways get involved with your state legislative pro-life groups. I'm on like every possible social media. That is in existence, right?

So just Abby Johnson.

Like Abby Johnson official is sort of thing. I'm on clout hub. I'm on gab. I'm on me. We. I'm on rumble. All of those sort of you know things that don't ban conservatives, but my primary ones, of course.

I'm still on Facebook and Abby Johnson. I'm on. Are you on Twitter at Abby Johnson? I'm on insta.

Clubhouse at what clubhouse got to get on clubhouse. Yeah. That would be a great one, yeah, yeah, we can get in and you can have discussions with everyone. Yeah, we had a thousand people on a group all across the country.