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Well greetings and welcome to the dividing line a tired host with you today eight and a half hours of driving time

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Through let's just put it this way. I now know why they set off all the nuclear weapons in Nevada There's nothing here, that's just Just all there is to it

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That driving down the middle of the state thing Yeah, anyway, so we're here despite some great construction, narrow lanes, 40 to 50 mile an hour crosswinds as I was getting into Vegas, that's always fun when you're pulling a 40 foot, well, 30 foot wall behind you.

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That was the first time I felt a little, hmm, but again, it handled it fine.

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So we're here in one piece But as I said might be a little slower today than than normal I do want to start off extending my condolences to my good friend

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Chris Arnzen. Chris's brother John passed away today. Somehow I Just actually disconnected from Rich because this cellular coverage in Nevada maybe it's complete but I think the mutants from all the atomic explosions suck up the signal or something, but You'd have a cell for a while and then it was gone.

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And so I had just hung up from Rich not hung up and disconnected and Chris somehow got through out in the middle of absolutely nowhere and told me that his brother had passed away just just today and so we extend our condolences that Chris had

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Asked us all to be praying for his brother and opportunities of witness to his brother and he testifies that that witness was fruitful, which is a wonderful thing.

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And so anyways, we extend our condolences to to brother

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Chris in in the loss of his his brother at this time. Lots of things to get to I Did get to I had

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I did my first entertaining in the mobile command center last night,

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I Got it all cleaned up. Well clean up as I can. I actually saw a mobile

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RV Power cleaning thing by the way rich if if someone pulls into the slot next to me during the program

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We're gonna we're gonna need an extended commercial break Because I have a feeling I will have to inch my truck over a little bit to help them out

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So cue something up get some I don't know if you have it. You probably have it at home to queue up.

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So Get out of harmonica Sing some

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I'm sure you have some French music somewhere You could talk it you could talk about you know

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Cooking croissants and things like that, but I Seriously, if I see somebody coming in I'm gonna go.

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All right, we're gonna take a technical break and We'll be right back and I will need to throw a pair of shoes on and probably move my truck

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So hey work, this is live folks. This is there are some folks that might think that this is as fake as the moon landings

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Which weren't fake But it's live. It's real and I mean the place is wide open

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So I'm hoping they don't stick somebody right in the spot next to me, but you know how that is you know, you know everybody on a plane and to see that Planes wide open and they put the football player in the middle seat next to you.

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That's just How that used to work. I probably will never know how that works anymore.

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But anyway What was I saying, oh so I Actually had ten people

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Now they all couldn't sit down but We did have ten folks

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In here and it cleans up nicely when I get the bikes out and stuff like that so and one of those people was

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The guy behind me him. Well that would actually make 11 So if you're wondering what in the world

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Ultraman is doing in in the background, but um, I Am now the proud owner of an

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Ultraman Doll. Oh, I didn't notice that His suit is held on by velcro.

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I'm not sure what happens you go supersonic anyway, um, I Seen oh,

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I saw Ultraman when I was a kid it's a Japanese thing,

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I think anyway But this is Chris's way of saying if I'm gonna send him buddy dolls because he's never watched elf and swears, he never will but we'll get to him eventually, but I've seen

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Ultraman and I am very certain that buddy is significantly

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Significantly more funny than Ultraman is his English is better And in that one scene in the movie where where buddy does the

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Rapid -fire snowball thing Can't do that. Can't do that.

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So Yeah, but thank you. Thank you, Chris We'll put Ultraman over here because that might freak out a lot of people

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It was there for a lengthy period of time. All right serious stuff, um

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Yesterday may have hit the day before but for me it was yesterday. I sort of catch up on things late There is

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I but I would like to suggest to you that there is a direct connection Between the utter humiliation of the

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United States That is taking place at the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the result an inevitable

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Explosion of Islamic terrorism around the world that will result from all that There is a direct connection between the humiliation this nation is experiencing in Afghanistan right now and the headlines a couple of days ago here yesterday for depending when you saw it that says that Pete Buttigieg and The headlines say and his husband

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I will not Utilize that language. I'm just repeating what the headline said it is a

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Fundamental abuse of the language of the categories

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It is an affront to me as a husband of 39 years to my wife

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And that's all I can have in the marriage relationship is a wife I can't I am a husband a husband cannot have a husband.

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That is a contradiction in terms it is a it's a perversity an utter perversion of the created order and So the announcement that people who judge and his significant other are becoming parents

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There's a direct connection between those two things because any nation That can have an individual who clearly has intentions to run for the highest office in the land again in the future

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Who clearly Traded his last run and that's what the last run was

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Was I want I'm young I want to get into the next regime

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Probably knew they were gonna win at that point in time the Fix was in and Then when it came down to okay, here's our plan

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Y 'all are beating up on Biden We want a figurehead. We want a shadow government and we want a figurehead somebody who

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Will look like a harmless old grandpa who couldn't hurt a flea because he couldn't find the flea and that's they got and so here this man who's gonna be probably running for higher office or Positioning himself to be placed in higher office.

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I again I I said in in 2020 I Said this is our last shot at a free election and I was wrong.

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It was we were already too late I was way ahead of that curve. But anyway

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This man and his homosexual partner Cannot be parents and to identify them as such is to massively

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Degrade fatherhood motherhood marriage Parenthood and in this case adoption adoption is a beautiful thing

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But adoption is adoption Into an actual family made up of father and mother or at least one or the other in Those rare occasions when that is what takes place

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But how are they connected? They're both meant to humiliate the nation their judgments their

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Only ten years ago Only ten years ago No one could have ever imagined that Kabul Would fall to the

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Taliban With people clinging to c -17s and falling out of the air worse than far worse in Saigon ever was at the same time a

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Senate approved Quote -unquote married homosexual would claim to be becoming a parent

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Via adoption Only ten years ago and things were bad ten years ago

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Twenty years ago you would have been laughed to scorn if you had said such a thing was going to take place and here we are and it is a part of the continuing and it will get worse and worse humiliation of a nation and Here we all are a

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Lot of most of the listeners not all but most the listeners this program are in the United States We have listeners all over the globe we're thankful for all of them and Those that are all over the globe know

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How important to the stability of the globe for the past 25 years this nation has been we are going to be absolutely humiliated before our enemies and And we need to be clear and open in telling the world why it is think about it if you if you want to Be accurate about this

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And if you want to be used in The long term when you think about the prophets of Israel What did they do before judgment fell they

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Called for repentance repentance from what they named The sins for which

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God's wrath was building up upon them so that when his wrath broke forth there wasn't any confusion as to why it was breaking forth and That's the situation here.

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We now the prophets were not loved for being prophets

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The vast majority of prophets were disliked My by the way my phone which is acting as my connection right now my phone

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Has been going absolutely bonkers Phoenix's I have not been rained on since I left,

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New Mexico and this entire trip but my house My son sent me some pictures of my backyard not

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Wow So much for the top of the gazebo that I put on right before I left lightning and rain and it's just been crazy the whole time

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I've been gone and it's My phone is telling me hair is lightning in the backyard. That's great. All right, wonderful.

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Anyway, the the prophets Were not loved For the message they brought remember

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Jeremiah rich remembers Jeremiah because back when rich first started

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Volunteering with Alvin Omega ministries many many many years ago. We had a special nickname for him and Part of the background of it was when they threw

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Jeremiah into the slimy pit and So, yeah, they they didn't

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They didn't appreciate the ministry of the prophets in warning them

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Concerning what was coming and our society? Clearly does not

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Does not like the fact that we will be warning them, but we have to so that when wrath falls

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It is our duty to let the culture know this is what brought the wrath of God this is what brought these things to bear and And Obviously if we are not repenting of similar sins in our own lives then that's going to be empty words

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But we must be faithful and Speak the truth concerning what is bringing this judgment upon our nation and so the disaster in Afghanistan the fact that Our enemies

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Know oh that we are no longer a threat to them. We may still have all the ships and the planes but Our enemies have successfully

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Emasculated our forces they have You look at Millie you look at at the promotion

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The United States government was spending the greatest part of its effort in Afghanistan to promote sexual immorality

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Yeah, the Afghans know that They know that and the sad thing is for a lot of Muslims Christianity in America are the same thing and if anything proves that's not true that should but anyway so There you go,

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I hate to have to even mention these things but we need to be straight up front about it in a related subject

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One of the great tragedies of the Lengths to which the left has been willing to go

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To destroy our liberties and freedoms and to enslave the population of the world

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Especially informally free places like Australia and New Zealand and Canada Where especially in Australia New Zealand?

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It's just like people just rolled over and stuck their feet up in the air and wiggled a few times said please pat my belly

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It's just astonishing What the Australians are doing the the absolute

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Nazi esque powers? They're giving the police Um Liberty and freedom gone, and I don't see anybody pushing back.

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I don't it's like, okay, you know, whatever. All right Maybe it's that mateship thing.

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You know, well my mate would never do yes your mate will oh, yes, your mate will and your mate has anyway in the midst of all this stuff

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Who can trust Anything that is set by governing authorities anyway

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We've been lied to over and over and over and over again.

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It's astonishing So who can trust anything anymore? Who can trust what numbers are being reported?

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I? mean They literally changed how you fill out Death certificates in March of 2020, huh?

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Wonder why wonder what they were expecting. Oh So that so that the numbers would be inflated.

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So you dying with COVID or dying of COVID became the same thing which in Wasn't the case of 2019 or 2018 or 2017 or anything?

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So you wouldn't have any way of comparing numbers real numbers to actually see but you know

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We've been through worse than this in the past and we didn't destroy ourselves. Oh, no. No. No, you've got to convince everybody

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This is the bubonic play Three -quarters of everyone's gonna die.

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And so you must submit because that's what this is Who can trust numbers anyone who can trust any was it the

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FDA? will Undoubtedly approve the new vaccines and they will do so without Any of the safety data that would have been demanded for every single vaccine up to 2020 and That will prove very clearly

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This is all about has nothing to do with public health public safety has everything to do with power and a very very very very very very corrupt regime

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So they will approve it and as a result there will be more and more mandates

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Fauci wants this I mean that man Just reminds me Mengele Fauci.

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I don't you know same same difference long term Same worldview seems and The the mandates will just become more and more and more and there will be in Pre -20 in the pre -2020 world

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There would have been all sorts of room for discussion of Well, I'll give an example remember when remember back when people were laughing about the idea of wearing masks and they were the people in charge the

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Fauci and others and then all of a sudden that changed and at first you had

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Except for people who have medical reasons not to do so because there are lots of said medical reasons

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You notice there aren't any medical reasons anymore No one cares Absolutely, no one cares

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I'm in Nevada right now for me and It's Democratic State. So they're all masked up again and And If that if putting on a mask endangers your life nobody cares

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And I'm not just talking about Bacteriological infections and things like that. I'm talking about there are certain medical conditions where we're hindering airflow and blocking the airways can cause

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Cardiac issues and respiratory issues and blood pressure issues and all sorts of things

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There are people who should never wear masks and nobody cares because it's not about public safety it's not about your health and If you die, no, the regime doesn't care that happened awful fast.

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Didn't it? It's all happened awful fast and That's why there's no options being given whatsoever

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For these mandates you cannot sit down and have a rational conversation About safety protocols

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You know I had an interaction with a guy on Twitter and he was just blasting away at me for being this that and the other thing and I Pointed out to him and I've mentioned this on program before I had a cardiac procedure ten years ago now and Though I'm very very healthy and intend on doing a

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Lord will if I'm just one reason I'm getting to bed early tonight Very very difficult bike ride in the morning out.

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So outside outdoors you can you think about Las Vegas? There's only one place I'm going But despite all that people are normally surprised to discover that I'm a cardiac patient I I take a medication in light of that procedure ten years ago and It's what allows me to do that kind of stuff

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There is that much see that that much safety data

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Concerning the interaction of mRNA genetic vaccines which clearly have already been admitted by everybody have killed people

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By inflaming their what? It ain't their left big toe

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It's especially with men younger men But heart issues, oh and so if I go to a cardiologist and say so What are the five -year?

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safety Because this spike protein thing it stays in the body. We were told I was told by Scientific geniuses that less spike protein is a joke that just disappears

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Shortly after the injection, you know, it does what doesn't it's gone. No, all the studies are saying new It's been found in the brain.

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It's been found the heart's been found in the gonads There are tremendous

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Indications of that no pregnant woman should ever walk past a vaccination place let alone get vaccine

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But of course don't want to talk about any of that no, no can't can't even have that conversation is only there's only one narrative

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Anything else is misinformation. It's Pravda all over the all over the place

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But there is no five -year safety data as to the interaction of The Koba vaccines with someone who's had a procedure like I have let alone

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With the drug I take none zero nada. Do they kid they care? Nope What does that tell you tells you what the real motives are?

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They don't want you to have options it's submit or die and that's Very very much in the line of how a certain

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Movement acts and that movement is of course the left and Should that surprise anybody those are the people who killed 120 million people last century and we've forgotten all about it and don't care about We can't even we can't even figure out what 120 million would look like that's more than the population of most nations in Europe and places like that So They are their their goal is full total submission and Hey, if it happens to work out that the people that don't want to submit just sort of like die in the process

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All the better for us, right? So if there's still

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At least a hundred million people in the United States that haven't submitted to this yet my

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My hope is as Doug Wilson said on the last blog and there might be a blog a blog came out today.

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I don't look Yeah, it's Wednesday, isn't it? Yeah, there probably is Let's try to stand firm because they're gonna have a hard time putting a third of America into gulags and And We've got a we've got to push back got a got a stand firm

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Okay, so there's some that type of stuff. And yes, I know I see the camera moving every time I touch the mouse

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But that's just sort of how things are. The Sun's coming through the window. I put the

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The Awning out a little bit but it's the winds really blowing and I don't want to put it up too much because that can

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Flap around and get torn and all sorts of weird stuff like that so the Sun's the Sun's just getting down to where I'm I Don't know.

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My beard is looking almost angelically white With the with the extra extra light there.

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So I guess we can we can live with that so Okay, let's get back to oh

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By the way, and I and I I was gonna say You know when when people come to me and say

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You know, you've got to do this this is this is how we show love and things like that At the suggestion of my brother

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Jeff Durbin who got one of these for his sermon notes And it is really good for taking notes during debates stuff like that.

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I came up with a very complex Response to those who will demand that I do that and so I thought

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I'd share it with you Yeah, there you go. That's this is high -tech. This is this is

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I mean, this is a high -tech device And that's a high -tech device and this is a high -tech device, but this is using low -tech reasoning on It's That he says as it falls apart his hand, okay.

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All right. That was just a cover. Don't worry. I didn't break anything Very sensitive.

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Yeah, I Just said I didn't break it Rich just said don't break it, which is also what he said before I took off in this thing

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And which is why I've been my blood pressure has been 47 points over normal. Thanks to him

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French people anyway, no, um, yeah, I only have one leg left. It's a leg.

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I know real well and So I've got one leg left to get back to Phoenix and When I park this thing in front of my house and it's all in one piece and there's nothing broken

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There's nothing no accidents and there's nothing's hanging off the side things like that I'm gonna take a picture and I'm gonna send it to rich I'm just not gonna make any comments.

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I'm just gonna go something to do But I saw one leg go so disaster could strike by the way.

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I have two of these and they have been awesome these insulated doohickey whoppers

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You know the metal thingies where the ice just stays in all day long and it's ice -cold when you're on the road just Minds a

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Zodiac Rishi Zodiac Rishi. I am that it probably means something pagan.

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I don't know all I can tell you is they really work and They're really good.

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All right so We have covered Y 'all seen this.

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Of course. Y 'all seen it. You've seen it up close you show that to it's a I Forgot the guy's name.

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I got it in Santa Fe and it's a special pottery process that's fired at ridiculously high temperatures and it

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It's really pretty. I now don't worry one of my first duties

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When I'm prepping to pull out is it comes off the wall? I'm not no

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I'm in the back here and I know where the major Movement takes place in a unit like this and it's right here

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This is this gets the most swing the most bounce the Hawaiian yards You don't leave anything back here that you don't want going bouncing all over the place because that's how it works okay, um we mentioned last time in light of what has happened in Afghanistan, that's um,

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I Think some of our attention may be returned to the area of Islam Certainly conversations we have had in the past in regards to the nature of The Salafi movement wahhabism the ultra fundamentalist

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Forms of Islam seen in the Taliban It's Unfortunately, very easy for a lot of Christians to just not return the favor to Muslims that we demand for ourselves we we want to be differentiated from Roman Catholicism from Eastern Orthodoxy Because we have fundamentally different beliefs especially in regards to doctrine of salvation

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And so when when a Muslim points to what they're seeing In veneration of icons worship of statues

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Latria Dullia Things along those lines we want to be able to say well, we believe in sola scriptura and I I'm fully aware.

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The Eastern Orthodox have a very Thought through defense on that issue because they

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While their theology developed in light of the presence of Islam after the seventh century

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I do know that I'm just making another point here and that is that we ask for the ability to differentiate to Lay out foundational differences and so we need to do the same if we're gonna be consistent

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You're not gonna be consistent then, you know can't really have a meaningful conversation with you but Still my concern is that there there may be a hesitation on the part of many people to Lovingly graciously engage

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With Muslim people because of a Anticipated upswing in Islamic violence

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You can already go on YouTube and see Unbelievably horrid things from the

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Taliban and from Boko Haram The There is a real strong Christian position

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To be presented and it's not an egalitarian position. It's a complementarian position.

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I don't like that term patriarchal position for that matter if you understand that biblical patriarchy is

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Something that is beautiful to biblical womanhood then you just you missed the whole thing and you've been listening to Of certain people on the left of Big Eva way too much

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So anyway, but the point is Accurately representing where people are coming from very very important I'm concerned to be a hesitation to engage

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Muslims, but I'm gonna try to encourage us and one of the ways to encourage us is to have a knowledge of what the

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Quran says and And specifically what it says to us so think about this way if This all started because I want to go through surah 4 and surah 5 in Response to Jake and others

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Video I haven't listened to you. Like I said, I have it but I haven't done so yet Where he tries to argue that the

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Quran does not misrepresent the Doctrine of the Trinity. Okay I've done a few debates on that.

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I have a feeling I know where it's gonna go But what I want to do is I want to say, okay, look

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Let's see how accurately You can handle our scriptures and we can handle yours and the fact matter is

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I just don't see a lot of Muslims That have a high standard of doing meaningful

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Contextual historical exegesis of the text of the Quran part of the reason for that is because how they view the text of the

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Quran if you believe the text of Quran was written on a heavenly tablet In eternity past it had and it was never created.

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It is itself eternal That changes everything about how you would try to interpret it

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But the reality is everything, you know about the Quran came to you in history and it came to you from a period of time

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Of 600 years after the time of Christ and therefore there is a context there that needs to be

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Dealt with and I I just don't see most especially Muslim apologists engaging that and That kind of the

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Tafsir Tafsir is Islamic commentary Tafsir literature is Frequently it's frequently more like reading the

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Mishnah Jewish traditional interpretations that is doing any type of meaningful exegesis so we

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I Wanted to and oh by the way, and here's I was gonna say you want a cool way to start a conversation or something to use in a conversation not in a gotcha moment, but in a extend this

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Open up more doors context And I've done this a number of times and it's very successful if you take the time to find out what the

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Quran says to you and you Say to the

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Muslim. Well, you know While I I don't believe that the Quran is a revelation from God.

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I Do have enough respect for the Islamic people To have taken a look at what the

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Quran specifically says to me and my people so I know what its concerns are and When I did what

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I discovered is That the author of the Quran doesn't seem to understand what I believe in the first place

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And so either the Quran doesn't address what I believe and there are some Muslims will go.

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Yeah, it probably doesn't But most Muslims believe. Oh, yes, it does it is specifically addressing what you believe and That opens up all sorts of possibilities of conversation and So, I think it is important to be able to say yes

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For example, if you're not going to read the entirety of the Quran and some people won't some people just aren't comfortable doing that I mean if you're gonna be witnessing that to Muslims you need to it's not very long

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It's sort of like reading the Book of Mormon doctor covers for a price for witnessing the Mormons I mean, that's just an unnecessary speed bump in the way

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You know what? Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? Yeah multiple times and the doctrine comes for a great price and teaches the Prophet Joe Smith and marvelous work in a wonder and Opens up the door

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So, but even if you're not going to read all the Quran at least if you work through the sections honestly that specifically addressed

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Yeah, lucky top the people of the book and the Allah and Jill the people the gospel

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You can say I haven't read all the Quran, but I have read what it says to me and Here's what

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I think about that and that that's a door opener that is a door opener and Most Muslims will respect you for disagreeing as long as you at least

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Took the time to think about it read it try to accurately represent them not all but vast majority

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Will do so So with that in mind last time I showed you

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My my Quran that's the program my Quran by the way, silly

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Brit wrote to me texted me after the program and Said that The Aleem Aleem's scholar the

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Aleem Program that I had used for years has become as so many have

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Cloud -based web -based. It's online and I suppose it's a subscription thing now

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And I haven't I didn't look it up didn't have a chance to look it up I've been driving too much and I generally do not do web searches while driving on two -lane roads with semis passing going the other direction and So I haven't looked it up, but I appreciate that information and I will see if it's but because this one

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Really does have everything in it It has Tafsir. It has different translations and the biggest thing is

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The ability to look up Arabic roots and find all the places are used in the

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Quran That's far better than for example a exhaustive concordance based upon a translation so it's just really good and very very useful and so I had also mentioned that this one has the

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The sahih international translation it which it really sort of is my favorite Just as far as generally it seems to be

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I think it does a good job. Um, And So we are looking at surah 4 and the reason we're looking at surah 4 is because it contains the

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Prohibition of saying 3 so remember last time I'll read it again. Oh People let me just read this whole section.

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Okay, so you've got the idea of What we're gonna be looking at why it's important well people of the scripture or people to both

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Allah keep Bob Do not commit excess in your religion or Say about Allah accept the truth

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The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was but a messenger of Allah and his word which he directed to Mary and a soul

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Bracket created at a command bracket from him. There is no created a command in the

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Arabic. That's a Commentary, there's a lot of commentary a lot of translations. So believe in the law this messengers and do not say three

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The use of Ali translation says Trinity that's it's the Quran never uses the technical word for Trinity It says three do not say three

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Desist it is better for you Indeed a law is but one

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God said over and over again if you say do not say three there is only one

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God then what you're saying is to not say three gods. There isn't any question Exalted is he above having a son

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What did the author of the Quran understand his sonship What the author of God understand Christians to believe about that?

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important issues result is he above having a son to him belongs to whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth and Sufficient as a law as disposer of affairs never with the

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Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah so What's lying behind that we have to ask the question

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What is the author of the Quran? Attempting to argue or what is he arguing against and is it an accurate understanding?

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Never with the Messiah disdained to be a servant of Allah. Is there any Christian? Who would deny that the term servant especially in the form

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Pius used in Acts? But the Jesus served the father

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Your honor because it says Messiah now Let me just throw this out here

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There's I see no evidence and I would challenge my Muslim friends show me evidence that the author of the

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Quran understood the concept of Messiah ship

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I See absolutely no evidence whatsoever. They did I Think I've thrown out before that that would be a really good topic for debate and Whoever disdains his worship and is arrogant.

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He will gather them to himself altogether. So Disdains his worship is

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I'm sorry. That's that's about a law I misread that never with the Messiah disdained to be a servant a lot nor would the angels near to him and whoever disdains his

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Worship and his arrogant. He will gather them to himself All together. So that's talking about the worship of Allah.

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Not Jesus just in case you're confused by that as For those who believe that did righteous deeds

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He will give them in full their rewards and grant the next from this bounty But as for those who disdained and were arrogant

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He will punish them with the painful punishment and they will not find for themselves besides a law Any protector or helper?

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old mankind There has come to a conclusive proof from your Lord and we have sent down to you a clear light

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So those who believe in the law and hold fast to him He will admit them to mercy for himself and bounty and guide them to himself in a straight path

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Etc, etc, so Here it at least we read it in context and the the key issue of course is the 171st.

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Ayah Ayah is what we would call a verse. Ayat is the plural so versus And a surah is a

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Chapter slash book Depends on how you want to find that the second surah is as long as the book but like the 114th surahs a matter of words, so Anyway, so when we look at surah one four one seventy one

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We know that the audience so this is so when we interpret any ancient work

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If we interpret if we interpret a passage from the salt

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I'll give you here's a good example because it's gonna be something I'm gonna be doing for other soon Lord willing

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I could forget I'm gonna be hit with a bunch of stuff when I get back trying to catch up with stuff.

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So if need be remind me but some

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Psalm 12. I started listening to a debate that took place recently between a

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Fellow who grew up in a fun an IFB Church and has moved out of that And no one is no longer

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King James only versus it just a standard fire -breathing King James only guy. I Forgot while having stable internet to download the entire file to my phone

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So I was listening by the web truck And like I said, I was driving through the nuclear wastelands in Nevada.

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So that got all messed up, but I heard enough that I know that this

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King James only guy is just throwing out wildly inaccurate stuff just stuff that just from a historical perspective like What not even close but he's connecting it all together and doing all this kind of stuff and then one of the texts that he quotes is

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Psalm 12 and King James only advocates believe that Psalm 12

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All of a sudden leaves talking about God delivering the poor and the needy the righteous are being persecuted all sudden

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Leaves that subject and all of a sudden has a prophetic word

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About the divine preservation of the King James Version of the Bible in English which didn't exist as length and One of the key elements in Responding to that abuse of Psalm 12 is to establish to whom

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The psalm is being addressed and hence that allows you to create a consistent reading

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Across the entirety of the psalm which then when there is any ambiguity So there's a there's allegedly we'll talk about this but an ambiguity

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You will preserve him you'll preserve them What is God promising to preserve the

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King James only guy says it's the words of the King James Version of the Bible The less radical

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Ruckmanites of them would say it's a promise that God will preserve the words of Scripture they knowing that connecting that the

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King James is sheer insanity, but anyway, a more contextual reading is

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Following the context and the audience that's being addressed it's those that God has promised to deliver and that his word is his promise his promise will be shown to be true and He will deliver them.

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So the whole psalm is consistent So you see it's something that we do in our own

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Texts we have to do the same thing anywhere in the New Testament Interpreting parables all sorts of stuff like that.

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So you've got to do that with the Quran as well. This is how human language works if You want to honor what the original author intended to communicate and let's be honest

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There are Muslims and there are Christians for whom that is not their ultimate goal at all

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I would argue for example that Roman Catholics are in a weird situation where especially in certain texts of Scripture they're far more concerned about finding a means of substantiating the traditions of Rome then they are concerned about the original authorial intent of a scriptural text and I think it's even more the case with Muslims Where it's the final interpretation that has been codified in the traditions

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That they're looking for and it's not as much of an issue amongst them we we raise this issue all the time

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Not normally something. That is a big part of the conversation in in the

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Muslim experience, so When we say well you need to look who's being addressed here

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Oh people of the book so this is the Al -Kitab and Since it immediately says the

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Messiah Jesus son of Mary This would be one of those places because sometimes I will keep

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Todd could be Jews Christians Jews and Christians in this instance, obviously, it's

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Christians This goes that Allah and Jill as it will in surah five.

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I don't have the same Do not commit excess in your religion now

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I have Confessed this numerous times

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Down through the years but the The command here do not commit excess as Much as I try

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I cannot pronounce the combination of a particular

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Arabic letter and the voweling at that point There's a sound

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But I can't get my Scottish What all stops to work with it?

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But it is a command to not Commit excess

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Go beyond the bound go beyond the boundaries to a glue something like that.

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What's important is both in The Quran and then in early

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Hadith sources Hadith are the the actions and sayings of Muhammad as companions collected hundreds of years later and Then there are traditions that are even earlier than the

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Hadith collections That are extremely helpful and give us insights into the early interpretation of the

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Quran There's solid evidence that Muhammad When you when you go to surah one and it it talks about people who've been just lead us not into the way of those who who

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Receive your wrath or those who go astray There's early tradition that Muhammad interpreted that those who receive

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Allah's wrath of the Jews those who Have been deceived and go astray are the

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Christians. So this committing of an excess that's what this is about and so it seems

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This is my interpretation. I would argue. I think it's a fair interpretation My interpretation is that this is a command

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Since it's gonna say do not say three then the author of the Quran believes it is excess that that what we have done is we have taken someone who is worthy of Not religious worship but of Veneration not in the

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Roman Catholic sense of being honored Muslims would say that they honor

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Prophet Jesus And then there's but there's a line and what we've done is gone beyond it and What is involved going on it beyond it is?

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the exaltation of Jesus To a position where the worship of Jesus Detracts from the worship of Allah and hence

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I Think and there are some Well, I would think somewhat less conservative

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Muslims in the United States today But mainly Muslims who know who've taken some classes and understand what the doctrine the

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Trinity actually teaches There are a lot of Muslims today know far more About the doctrine of Trinity actually teaches than the author of the

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Quran ever did that's very clear So they would

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Avoid saying this but I think the strongest argument can be made that the author of the

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Quran Identifies the worship of Jesus as shirk and shirks an unforgivable sin

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Not in the sense of you can't get forgiveness of it in this life But you can't get forgiveness of it in the next life if you die as a mushrik a

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Person who has committed the sin of shirk if you die in that state there is no forgiveness for you

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The Quran is very clear on that Yeah, there are some liberal Muslims that are moving away from even that but the

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Quran is very clear on that If you die as a mushrik, there's no forgiveness Western Muslims are struggling with that.

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That's I'll go into that right now Um, so do not commit excess in your

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Dean Dean is your religion your religious practices or say

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Allah except say about Allah except the truth, so The excess is going down line, but also involves saying something about Allah that isn't true

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Well, what are you saying about Allah? That isn't true. I Has a son and what the author of the

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Quran understands that to mean is another issue we have to deal with I don't think He had an active understanding of what sonship meant.

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I'd never crossed across his mind Allah has a son and That there are three divine persons

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Father son Holy Spirit or Is that what the author of the

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Quran understood? Is there any evidence that he was aware of father son

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Holy Spirit and the distinctions between them? Or are there other threes that are mentioned in the

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Quran that would be more fairly and accurately Applied to the author's understanding of who the three are

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So here's a command do not commit excess do not say anything about Allah except what is true

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The Messiah Jesus Son of Mary now, I really wasn't intending to go this step in depth, but the reality is it's been years

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Since we Did a lot in the Muslim area and I apologize for that and I I just say to all of my my listeners

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Ask yourself the question why when you're presented with an opportunity of learning

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The basic foundations of the next largest Body of people in the world to whom we need to bring the gospel.

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Why is it that so many Christians? Have no passion for don't have the time for it.

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Don't have an interest in it. Um I've done the work okay,

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I've I've Let me remind you I've Witnessed I've debated more

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Muslims formally then Roman Catholics the majority the group that I've done the most not majority, but the group

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I've done the most public debates with I've been Muslims and I've done so all around the world and so someone who has done the work for all that time and As all that experience it says let me lay it out for you.

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I just find a lot of Christians are just like oh -hum and So, I'm not trying to berate anybody there

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I'm just telling you what my experience is in essence so my encouragement to you would be

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I Guarantee if you start praying Lord Put a love in my heart for the

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Muslim people. You'll start having opportunities. You never ever saw coming and You'll discover that the

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Muslim people are very different from what you see Hello My heart rate just increased 27 % um

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They're very different what you'd see and will what we will be seeing about the

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Taliban and things like that and I Would I just hope that especially?

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The quality people that follow and support this program Will be the very people who say you know what

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I need to be prepared. I need to be prepared I'm gonna. I'm gonna do that work, so I'll continue with the discussion of the phrase

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Jesus the Son of Mary was not intending to go this in depth, but It's a useful opportunity

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To provide some of the foundational stuff we haven't talked about for quite some time, so that's what we'll try to keep doing

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I am I don't know when we're gonna get chance to get together again I'm speaking up here by the way.

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I don't know if this is on the website on The calendar, but if you are in the area you have to call

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There's all there's limited space for the church And so if 50 more people show up that they aren't expecting there's no place for them to go

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And they don't want anything like that Good rich said he did so thank you

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And Then I I get back on Friday, I don't know when

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I get back on Friday, but I started doubt I'm gonna have time for dividing line because Even once my little house gets to my big house

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There's a lot of stuff a little house to move back into the big house You know what I mean? So We'll see as far as as that is concerned, but once again.

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Let me just say as we wrap up the program today Lord willing and I I get

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Home in one piece on Friday nearly 4 ,000 miles and a

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Lot of ministry done In Colorado in Montana, Idaho and Nevada Proved we could do it.

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This is how we're gonna do g3 by the way of the the g3 schedule has come out and I Have graduated from morning speaker to afternoon speaker and the

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Friday afternoon I kick things off. So it's me followed by Vodie followed by Paul Washer, so that's gonna be

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Interesting evening. No, no choice about I'm looking forward to seeing the venue. I haven't seen it. This this is a new venue So I'm looking forward to that but this

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What I'm sitting in right now is what I'll be sitting in Friday morning is

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I'm getting ready to head out and get down to the venue and and meet folks and do stuff like that and Primarily the people who watch this program is why

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I have this unit here. I have the truck up front Why I've been getting the

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Alpha and Omega card out at every gas station Would have a lot cheaper to have done this last year when gas was half of what it's cost now

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But that's that's how we That's how we do it is you've been supporting us you support us with the travel fund you support us with the ministry resource list

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But I just want you to know there isn't some Ultra rich person that just dropped this on us.

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This is budgetary stuff and So if you think it's cool, that's

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After Driving for eight and a half hours. I still had the energy left to talk about in -depth stuff in the corn.

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Um Then you want to keep that happening? You know how to do it we appreciate it we thank you very much for it

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We especially appreciate the church's support us and things like that. So anyways, not sure like I said when we'll get back together again, but hope well and I think

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I've got a I've got to deliver this thing to a First some warranty work.

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You normally need something like that done after your first shakedown you know, there's a couple doors that Need a little tightening and things like that, which is what you expect

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But I think that's on Monday I have to do that too so we'll let you know it's it'll be on the app and we will press on and something tells me there will probably be even further examples of The fact that Romans 1 is true and being lived out in front of us throughout the

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United States by the time Monday rolls around But between now and then I'm really looking forward to being back at apology on Sunday and And everybody it's been quite some time and I hope that you will have a sweet fellowship at your church as well