Matt Slick Live: September 17, 2024

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Hey, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live.

I hope you're all going to have a good time listening today. I've been out of the studio a little bit. I was in Southern California at a conference and spoke on Islam.

And actually, I spoke on the issues of Christian theology related to certain, you know, certain things.

And I really enjoyed doing that. It was a lot of fun. And some great folks there. Some great folks. All right.

Hey, look. We have nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

Hope you can all hear me. And get all this stuff going. Ben, I'm always pushing the envelope.

Always pushing on what I've got to get done. I have so much to do all the time. All right.

Now, I don't know if any of you who are listening are at the conference. You know, if you want, you can call in and say what you thought of the conference.

Because it was... I thought it was really good. It was really good. And it was put on by Ministry to Muslims.

And man, they had people there who were saying things that were just incredible.

Some of the stuff. I was really impressed. I learned a lot. Took a lot of notes.

And was really blessed. There are... These guys there, basically, I put it this way.

My knowledge of Islam is basically nothing compared to what these guys know. A lot of the guys speak Arabic.

They've lived in Arabic nations, even as Americans, for years and years at a time.

Are familiar with the culture. Have studied stuff. Have learned just things that I'll just never learn. And they were sharing insights, information.

And it was really, really good. One of the more interesting things that I encountered there was a gentleman,

Dr. Jay, I believe it was. Who... His name was Jay Smith. And he presented some stuff on the

Quranic scriptures and Hadith scriptures or sayings about when they were written and when's the earliest manuscripts of them.

And oh, wow. Oh, wow. I need to get information and be able to articulate it and learn it.

Of course, give him credit because he did the research. But man, the credibility of the

Quran, from what he was showing, is exceedingly doubtful. And the

Hadith, exceedingly doubtful. You can't say that these things were all that accurate from what the evidence is.

Really interesting stuff. And I really enjoyed it. So hey, look, there you go.

And if you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

You have nobody waiting. And let's see. So here we go.

So there's a couple things we could talk about. One is what I talked about at the conference.

And what I plan to do is to, I plan to release the

PowerPoints and the doc, the Word document that I used in the presentation people were asking for.

It's what I think I'll do is just release it on CARM. I'm going to find a place to put it, to put these things.

So I'm thinking of, what I'm thinking of doing is creating a section on CARM just for PowerPoint presentations.

And where I'll put a lot of the PowerPoints that I've developed over the years and just put them there for people's use.

They can check them out. So that's one of the theories or one of the options I'm working on right now about doing that.

And we want people to be able to have access to that information. So, all right, there you go.

So I spoke on the hypostatic union, the two natures of Christ. And then

I also spoke on what did Christ do on the cross. Now, what

I'd like to be able to do sometime at a conference is speak on, for 40 minutes or 45 minutes,

I'd like to be able to speak on the doctrine of the Trinity and explain what it is, explain how it is arrived at in Scripture, and then explain how, when you presuppose the

Trinity, you can then make sense of the laws of logic, of moral absolutes, our existence, the issue of the one and the many, universals and particulars, and how the

Trinity can provide the basis for explaining and justifying all of them.

I would love to do a seminar on that. And I could also do a tangent and show why

Unitarianism doesn't work, Binatarianism doesn't work, and Modal Monarchism doesn't work, while doing that.

That would be a good seminar. What I would do is have a PowerPoint presentation and handout, so people could follow along on the notes and get the information.

So that's a dream. I'm hoping it will happen sometime. All right, so there you go.

So, hey, look, we have nobody waiting right now. I want you to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

I want to hear from you. After the conference, I preached at two sermons at Calvary Chapel in Norco.

And it was great, the people there were great, and I enjoyed doing that. And then afterwards, I taught theology for two hours.

People were asking me more questions. They were also at the seminar, the conference, and they went out to hear me preach.

And they said, let's get afterwards and talk. I said, I've got a couple, three hours before I have to be at the airport.

And they said, yes, let's do that. So that was really a lot of fun to do as well. I love teaching,

I love being able to explain the things of God and the truth of who God is and what He has done.

So that was that. And I've got radio questions. Oh, look at that. What is that?

So someone just sent me a link and says, what do you think? Well, I don't know.

I wish, you know, if people were going to, if people are going to send me a question,

I would prefer that they actually give me something that, you know, is in writing or something.

I'm going to do this on the radio because it's a radio question. And it's a video I have to watch. I can't do that on the air.

So what I do with those in that case is I just hit delete because it doesn't work like that.

So if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

If you want to email me a comment or a question for the radio show, you can do that by going to info at carm .org,

info at carm .org, C -A -R -M dot O -R -G. And put in the subject line radio comment or radio question.

And then we can get to those. And that's what I'm looking at right now. So I think we'll get to that in a little bit.

We've got a caller coming in and we have three open lines. Number is 877 -207 -2276.

Let's get to Imez from Charlotte, North Carolina.

Welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. No, I'm just confused.

America is sitting out there in the ocean while Israel is being shredded by Hezbollah.

Am I missing something? Well, do you have a question?

No? Well, I don't know. Can you explain it to me? I mean, I don't understand.

Is it something that I am missing or I'm not understanding? Well, I'm not sure.

I don't know what you're understanding or not understanding. What's your question? All right.

Never mind. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. Sure. By the way, the

American ships are out there. Now, I don't know what the question was, but they are supporting Israel. They're doing asset support.

I know that America has a strong alliance with Israel and rightfully so. It's good. It doesn't mean everything that Israel does is right, but at least we have covenants with them and treaties with them and things like that.

So the ships are providing various areas of logistical support for the

Israelis, along with intelligence gathering and things like that. So, I don't know what else to tell you beyond that.

So, hey, look, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

Now, someone sent an email in Acts 2 .38 When the crowd asked what they need to be saved, they were told to repent and be baptized.

Now, let's check this out. And it says the question is what they need to do to repent and be saved.

Let's go and see if that's what the question was. Because in verse 36,

Acts 2 .36, Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both

Lord and Christ. This Jesus whom you crucified. Now, when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles,

Brethren, what shall we do? Now, it doesn't say what do we do to get saved.

It just says what do we do. And then Peter says, repent, each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the

Holy Spirit for the promises for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord God will call to himself.

So the questioner says in Acts 2 .38 when the crowd asked what they need to do to be saved, but it doesn't say that in there.

It doesn't say that. It's really important. Now, some of them might say, well, that's what they're asking about. Well, maybe it is, but maybe it's not.

Because they said, what do we do in light of what? In light of the Holy Spirit's movement upon the

Jews and the Gentiles. And it says, what do we do? They weren't sure what to do. And he says, be baptized, you'll receive the gift of the

Holy Spirit. But the gift of the Holy Spirit is not salvation. The gift of the Holy Spirit is the charismatic work, the charismatic gifts.

And it's referenced right there in Acts 2 where they were moving in the charismatic gifts and speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, and tongues of fire were on them.

And in Acts 10 .44 -48, the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on them for they were hearing them speaking with tongues.

So it certainly seems to be the case that the gift of the Holy Spirit is the movement of the charismatic gifts. So that's why

I don't say that Acts 2 .38 is a verse about being saved. It's about something else.

Most people don't hold that position, but that's what I see. The email goes on and says, but in Acts 16 .31,

the jailer guard was told to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. So let's go to Acts 16 .31 and we'll check it out.

Always read the context and don't assume that someone's question is accurately asked reflecting on the text.

Now in Acts 2 .36 -38, it doesn't say to be saved, but could make the case that it's there?

Could be, but it doesn't say that. So this is what it says in Acts 16 starting in verse 28.

Paul cried out with a loud voice, do not harm yourself. This is after the earthquake, the prison doors were open. He says, we're all here.

And they called for the lights and rushed in. And trembling with fear, he fell down before Paul and Silas. After he brought them out, he said, sirs, what must

I do to be saved? Now right there, that's what the question is. And then he says, believe in the

Lord Jesus, you'll be saved in you and your household. So there's no conflict here because in Acts 2 .38,

it does not say to be saved. But it does say you'll receive the forgiveness of sins. So we can say, though, that with Acts 2 .38,

that when they're talking about this, Peter is saying, repent, each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins.

And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now here's the question. Are you being baptized in order to obtain the forgiveness of sins?

Or are you being baptized because you have the forgiveness of your sins? And it's a recognition of that.

And in that baptism, you receive the charismatic gifts. You see, this is the kind of stuff we have to ask.

And there's the break. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, right after these messages. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying it.

Hey, I just want to let you know that we are also now broadcasting on X or Twitter.

So I went and took care of some stuff over the weekend that made that possible. So now you can watch us there as well, watch the radio show as well.

Praise God for that. All right. All right. So there we go.

And I want you to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

I want to hear from you. Give me a call. Now let's get back on to some radio questions. A little bit slow right now.

And what we'll do is get on and do some more questions people have sent in. So this person who asked about Act 238 and Acts 1631 goes on and says,

I thought it was Jesus who justified us through faith in him. That is true. And as a result, we continue to turn to him and repent and live in obedience to him as Lord the rest of our lives.

Of course. That's correct. Repentance does not make us right before God.

Repentance is compliance with the law. God says don't lie. So if you're lying and you find out don't lie, you comply with that law.

That's repentance. But that's not what makes you right before God. The blood of Christ does that, not your repentance.

But you should repent. He goes on and says Acts 238 confuses me because the crowd was told repent instead of believe.

Let's go back to Acts 238 and to remind all of you about this issue because it is worth spending a little bit of time on and about.

It says repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Now in the name of Jesus is a phrase that means in the authority of.

That's what's going on there. And so let's get into some of the

Greek. I'll talk about this a little bit so I can slow down a little. So some say that Acts 238 is a proof text for salvation.

Well, no it's not. The phrase in Greek for the forgiveness of sins is

That exact same Greek phrase is found in Mark 1 .4

and Luke 3 .3. They're found exactly there. In Mark 1 .4

it says And Luke 3 .3

And then again we have

Matthew 26 .28 For this is my blood of the covenant that is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

It's slightly different. So what we're going to focus on is Mark 1 .4 and Luke 3 .3

where it says the exact same phrase that's used, exact same Greek construction, exact same phraseology, that's used in Acts 238.

So now let's go over this a little. If Acts 238 is teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation and the phrase for the forgiveness of sins means that that's how you obtain salvation then the exact same phrase used in Mark 1 .4

and Luke 3 .3 about John the Baptist baptizing them for the forgiveness of sins then that would mean then if the phrase for the forgiveness of sins means you obtain forgiveness of sins by that baptism then it would mean then that John the

Baptist's baptism got you forgiveness of sins. Those people who were baptized in John the

Baptist's baptism were then forgiven. This is what I ask people. Does it mean then for the forgiveness of sins means to obtain forgiveness of sins?

Does it then mean that in Mark 1 .4 and Luke 3 .3 that John the

Baptist baptized for the forgiveness of sins, that they were forgiven? If they say yes, then

I ask them, well did they have to get baptized again in the Trinity later on? It's just a question and then we talk about what they might say, yes or no.

Or how about this question, if they were forgiven of their sins by that baptism then did they have to go into the temple to offer any more sacrifices since they're forgiven of their sins by the baptism of John the

Baptist but the new covenant still wasn't instituted but the blood of Christ had been offered that cleanses us of our sins.

So what do they do? Because if they're forgiven of their sins they don't need to go offer sacrifices in the temple.

But if they're not forgiven then they need to. So are they supposed to offer the sacrifices or not? This is a very difficult question for them to answer.

They haven't thought of that. So these are some of the things that I will quiz them on and then teach them on that stuff about what it really is getting at.

So there's a lot on Acts 2 .38 that a lot of people don't get. And questions that are related to the

Greek, ephesim, hamartium, for the forgiveness of sins which is used elsewhere in Mark 1 .4

and Luke 3 .3 in regard to John the Baptist's baptism. Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania.

Elijah, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. I have a question for you.

Okay. So I'm the same guy who sent you the video a few weeks ago about the preacher rapture.

You said it was too long to watch. So I'm here to present you another argument that he brought up in that video and I would like to know what you think about it.

Sure. Let's go through it slowly then. I'm sorry, say that again? Let's go through it slowly and take a look.

So I'm looking at Isaiah 26. So now where do we go? Yeah, his verses are in Isaiah 26, 19 -21.

Let me read it. Let's take a look. 19 -21, your dead will live, their corpses will rise.

You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy for your due is as the due of the dawn and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.

Come, my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you.

Hide for a little while until the indignation runs its course for behold, the Lord is about to come out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity and the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover her slain.

Okay, go ahead. Yeah, so his argument is that the chambers or the rooms in verse 20 that God tells his people to go into, he said that he believes that's referring to marital chambers.

So he thinks it's referring to the marriage supper of the lambs, so God's telling them to go in there and wait.

And he believes that, he said that it's clear this is talking about end times of the return of the

Lord, day of judgment on the wicked. And he said that this is proof that he's talking about preacher rapture because he said in verse 19, it says the dead rise.

And he says, well, the dead rises at the second coming of Jesus at the rapture. And then he also says, he also points out, yeah, so he said that's the rapture right there.

And then God tells the people to go into their rooms or chambers until his wrath is passed by.

And then in verse 21, the Lord punishes the wicked and then it says the earth will disclose the blood that is shed on it.

And that reminds me of the verse in I think it's 2 Peter, I think it's chapter 3 where it says in some translations that the earth will uncover the sins or the blood or something like that.

Well, hold on, we've got a break coming up and let's talk about it afterwards, okay? All right, we'll be right back. Okay. Hey, folks, hold on, we'll be right back after these messages.

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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying it.

Let's get to Elijah. Are you still there, brother? Yeah, I'm still here. All right.

Okay, so I think that this is one of the better verses that people can go to in support of pre -tribulation rapture.

I think it's one of the better areas. But does it prove pre -trib?

Well, some are going to say yes and maybe not. So the chambers, come my people, enter into your rooms and close your doors behind you.

Hide for a little while until the indignation runs its course. That's exactly what happened, for example, in the time of God's judgment upon Egypt when they went into their own chambers, their own homes, and they were there during it.

They were right there in the midst of the tribulation period. In the judgment of God upon the nation around them, and they were in it, but they were protected while they were in their inner chambers.

So we know that's historical. Now, is that what this is referring to? It may or may not be. And he goes on, he says,

For behold, the Lord is about to come out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity.

And the earth will reveal her bloodshed and will no longer cover the slain.

So, I can see why people would go to this and say, You know what, I think this is the rapture.

Well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Now, to back up, Your dead will live, their corpses will rise,

You who lie in the dust awake and shout for joy, For your due is the due of the dawn,

And the earth will give birth to departed spirits. So, as you said, what they're going to say about this is,

That's the resurrection that occurs of the dead before the rapture occurs.

This is out of 1 Thessalonians 4, 16, chapter 5, verse 2. It says,

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel, And the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first.

And we who are alive and are made shall be caught up together in the air, in the clouds. So, some people are relating that idea of the rapture to this.

And let's work with that, let's see. Your dead will live, your corpse will rise, And you who lie in the dust awake and shout for joy,

For your due is the due of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to departed spirits. And then come my people enter in your room.

So, they say that's the resurrection of the good, And then the rapture occurs.

They say, see, it fits the order. Well, that would work if it wasn't for Matthew 13.

In Matthew 13, 30, allow both to go together. That's the wicked and the good, the wheat and the tares.

All right. Allow both to go together until the harvest. Jesus says, In the time of the harvest I'll say to the reapers,

First gather the tares, And bind them in bundles to burn them up. But gather the wheat into my barn.

That's the rapture. The harvest is when God collects his people. And Jesus then interprets the parable and says,

In verse 39, The enemy who sowed the tares is a devil, And the harvest is the end of the age.

The reapers are the angels. Just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, So shall it be at the end of the age.

The Son of Man will send forth his angels, Will gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks. And those who commit lawlessness

Will throw them into the furnace of fire. Now, the point I'm trying to make here is that What Jesus says is that at the harvest time,

Which we know is the rapture, The first ones taken are the wicked, not the good. This blows a lot of people's minds when they see this.

And I show it to people and they're like, Their eyebrows just shoot up. They're like, what? And there it is. So, if we understand the clear teaching

Of what the New Testament says, That the wicked are taken first, And they're taken to judgment, And then we know from 1

Thessalonians 4 That those who died in faith are resurrected, And then the rapture occurs.

Then we know that the order here is that It looks like the wicked are the ones taken first,

Then the resurrection of the good, And then the rapture of those who remain. That seems to be the order from what

Jesus himself teaches. Now, if we go back to Isaiah 26, And starting at 19,

Your dead will live, their corpses will arise, You who lie in the dust awake and shout for joy.

If that's the resurrection of the good, Then it means that the resurrection,

Or the judgment of the bad, Has already taken place. Because those come in by people in or near rooms,

And close your doors behind you, And hide for a little while Until the indignation runs its course.

Well, if this is the pre -trib rapture, And seven years is going to happen,

And then Jesus comes back for the judgment, Then it doesn't fit what

Jesus said, Because he said, The first ones taken are the wicked, At the end of the age, Which is when the rapture occurs.

So when we go to Isaiah 26, We have a problem making it fit Into what

Jesus himself taught. And so, that's why I brought up earlier, That the people of the

Jews, Who were in the nation of Egypt, During the tribulation of the people,

Upon the wicked, The good, the people of God, Were in it, and in their rooms in it,

In their abodes, They were kept safe during that time. So, if that is biblical,

And he says, Come, my people, Enter into your rooms, And close your doors behind you, Hide for a little while,

Until your indignation runs its course, If they want to say it's the rapture, Then they have to conclude,

From Matthew 13, That the wicked are taken first,

And would they then say, The wicked are taken first here, In Isaiah 26?

And if they say no, The wicked are not, Then it doesn't fit the timeline

That Jesus has given, Because he says, Behold, the Lord is about to come

Out of his place to punish The inhabitants of the earth, So that's the indignation, The judgment, Of which it looks like,

The Jews will be there, That's what he's talking about, During that period of time, And if it's the whole world later,

Then the Christians are going to be there During it, Just as the Jews were there during it,

During the time of Israel, When they went into their houses, Okay? See? So it's not as clear

As they want it to be, Okay? Yeah, Yeah, Um, Uh, Yeah, I was thinking maybe,

Maybe the, Um, The rooms could be referring To the rooms of the, The new

Jerusalem, That comes out of heaven, But I think I might be getting My timeline mixed up, Because I think that probably

Happened after, Um, The rapture, But I'm not really sure. Yeah, So, The thing is that,

If someone were to use Only that verse, They could make the case for it, And as I say to people,

I think there's strength and weaknesses To every position, Every eschatological position, And I think this is a,

An area of scripture, That is a strength for the pre -tribbers, However, When I show them,

For example, Matthew 24, Luke 17, Two men are in a field, One is taken, One is left, I show them that that's the wicked

Who are taken, And then I show them in Matthew 13, That the wicked are taken Before the good are taken,

Then this has to be At the end of the age, When the judgment of the wicked occurs, Which means it can only be

After the tribulation period. It's just, They have to fit the whole thing,

And not just one or two verses, You see, Okay? Yeah, Um, Also, Also, The other day,

I had, I had read, Zechariah chapter 14, And, You know, I think, I think this is now

One of my favorite chapters In the Bible, Because I love reading about, You know, End times prophecy, And, And this entire chapter

Is about that. This seems to, This seems to, Like, Go against the,

The all millennial position, Because I know that you Accept that, But, Um, This, This seems to,

Support an actual, Millennial reign of Christ, And, Um, I can't,

Oh, Oh, I think it's over here, Towards the end of the, The chapter, Because, Somewhere around here,

It talks about, Chapter, I mean, Verse 19, It talks about, Um, It says,

This will be the punishment of Egypt, And the punishment of all the nations, That do not go up and celebrate The festival of tabernacles,

And it goes on to say, I think, In previous, Or verse after that, About, You know, People who don't come,

The nations that don't come, To worship, The Lord, On the earth, In those days, Of rain, Will not fall on their land,

And, And all this other stuff, So, It seems to be, That there are still sinful people, On earth at this time,

When the Lord is, The Lord is reigning on the earth, So, This seems to support an actual, Thousand year reign of Christ, On the earth,

So, I would like to know, Your thoughts on Zechariah 14, Well, It, Uh, It says the punishment of Egypt, That means

Egypt is, Is a nation that's being discussed, That's going to be punished, Is this, Is it future,

Is it a thousand year reign issue, When the punishment of Egypt occurs, Well, If they want to say that Egypt, Is not literally this

Egypt, Uh, Well, Then, Then they can't say that it's literal, Uh, One thousand years,

In the millennium, If they say, Well, It is Egypt, Then we have to deal with what context,

Because it's the sin of Egypt, And what was the sin of Egypt? Well, In part, It was the punishment, Or the enslavement of Israel, So, This will be the punishment of Egypt, And the punishment of all the nations,

Who do not, Go up to the, Uh, Feast of the booths, Well, We Christians don't, Celebrate the feast of the booths,

So, Now, Is it going to say the punishment, Is occurring to the Christians, Now? So, To say that this,

Uh, Millennial, Already, Just right from the beginning, Has problems, Hey, We've got a break, Hold on buddy,

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Welcome back to the show, Let's get back on with Elijah, Then we'll get to Warren, Who wants to talk about baptism, So, Let's give another couple of minutes here,

Uh, Elijah, Okay, So, Did that help any? Yeah, That helped,

Helped some, But, Um, Uh, While we were on break, I, Uh, Went earlier in the chapter,

I went to, I found, Uh, Zechariah 14, Verse 8, And it says,

On that day, Living water will flow out of Jerusalem, Half of it, East, To the Dead Sea, And half of it,

West, To the Mediterranean Sea, In summer and winter, And the cross reference here in my

Bible, Uh, Cross references, Uh, This verse, Uh, With, Revelation 22, 1 to 2,

So, So, Um, Uh, That's why I say, This chapter seems to be referring to,

The, Um, The millennial reign of Christ on the earth, During, Like, New Jerusalem, Yeah, I could see,

Uh, Why they would say that, Um, When half went one direction, Half went the other, But in Revelation 22,

It doesn't talk about that, What it does talk about in Revelation 22, Is that the river of water,

Of life, This is very symbolic, Uh, As clear as, As crystal, Now, This is referencing,

Or, In the Old Testament, Of, Exodus, Uh, 24, 9 through 11,

Where, Moses, Aaron, Nabodah, And Abihu, Went up and saw the God of Israel, And his, Uh, His feet were on a,

A crystal sea, So, This is referencing the, Throne work of God, And this is very,

Uh, It's very important for that, The tree of life, The spiritual aspect, So, In Zechariah, In that day,

Living waters will flow, Out of Jerusalem, Now, We have to ask the question, Uh, Is it literally,

The city of Jerusalem? Because, If they're going to say, In the Millennial Kingdom, And they say Jerusalem is, Is literal,

And waters, Go north and south, Or, Excuse me, Uh, East, Uh, And west,

They're living waters, Well, To be honest, What does it mean, To say living waters,

Flow out of the city of Jerusalem, And one goes towards, The western sea, And one towards the eastern,

And they're living waters, So, If that's the case, That we ask these questions, I don't see it being literal,

In that, These waters are living, And that if you drink them, You're going to have life, Or whatever, Uh, Because of it,

And to relate it to Revelation 22, Which, Is, Speaks about, Uh, The spiritual aspect,

Of God's throne, And the water of life, Which is symbolic, Uh, I, I have a problem,

Connecting them, Exactly, And, If we go back to, Zechariah, Uh, 14, 8,

Uh, And we say, If it's a literal, Like I said, A literal Jerusalem, And a literal waters, Then why are they called,

Living waters? I mean, These are just questions, You've got to ask, And I, What I, I notice a lot of people do,

Is they don't ask, Very many questions, They'll say, For example, You know, Like in the cross reference, You cited,

Well, The day the living waters, Flooded Jerusalem, So, You see, That's about the, Millennial kingdom, And it's referenced,

With Revelation 22, Which is the water of life, Well, Then they stop thinking, Start asking questions,

And, And see, Well, Wait a minute, Do they relate, To each other? Are they just using, Symbols?

Is it identical, Or what? And people, In my, I'm amazed, They just,

They see what they like, I'm done thinking, That's what it means, And then I come along, And ask questions, And they don't know,

What to do with it, Do you see the problem there? Okay, All right, buddy,

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, And also, Some people think, That the river of,

Of the water of life, Of Revelation 22, Is symbolic, Of the Holy Spirit, Uh, Uh, What do you think about that?

I, Don't know, Because it's symbolic, They can think, It's symbolic,

Of the Holy Spirit, Maybe it is, But maybe it's not, This is why,

I say, With people, If you're going to make, An eschatological position, Don't use it, Don't, Don't develop it,

Out of the places, Of symbology, Develop it out of the places, That are hardcore, Direct, The, This age,

The age to come, When the trumpet occurs, When the, Uh, The voice of the archangel,

Occurs, What happens at the end, Of the age? You just map them out, And, That changes things,

But what people do, For the rapture, Preach it, That I've found, Is go to places, That are symbolic,

And then they try, And read literalness, Into the symbolism, Instead of doing it, The other way around, Okay, Alright buddy,

Okay, Alright man, Okay, God bless, Have a good one, You too, Alright, Now let's get to Warren, Thanks for waiting

Warren, So what do you got buddy? Yes sir, Uh, Yes sir, You were talking earlier,

About, Uh, The book of Acts, Baptismal, Um, Um, Um, I actually enjoyed,

Hearing your previous caller there, There was some, Good points you brought out there, Um, And I've listened to you,

Very frequently, Quite a bit, I've never called in, Uh, I am in ministry, But I just want to get,

Your viewpoints, To possibly help, The body of Christ, That, In the Acts 238,

Baptism, Like you were, Talking about earlier, Did that, Some people have to go,

Back later, And get baptized, Into Trinity, And because, Of the doctrines, That we have, All across the body of Christ, Across the world,

We're separated, When Psalms tells us, The Lord wishes, That we would all dwell, In unity, So for the edification,

I wanted to get, Your viewpoints, On, If I have, An apostolic ministry, If somebody that's come in,

Has been baptized, In the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Personally, I don't think,

It's right for me, To not receive them, In love as a brother, Or a sister in the Lord, To encourage them,

To be baptized, In another way, Because, I think doctrinally, According to the word, It is biblical,

It is written, Shouldn't the body, Receive one another, In love, If they, Hold on,

You're confusing me, A little bit, So, Yes, They should be baptized,

If they're baptized, In the Trinitarian formula, Then they don't need, To be baptized again, Not a problem,

So I'm not sure, What you're getting at though, Right, My question, In relation to what,

You just understood, What I was stating, Is that, I think, As a man of God, As a

Christian, In ministry, I should receive, Any person, That's been baptized, That's already received,

The Lord as their savior, Confessed him as God, Lord, Came into flesh, You know, I think,

If I'm an apostolic, Doctrine church, Or even if I'm a, Trinitarian church, If someone comes in,

To ahold of, The ministry, Wait, Wait, Hold on, Hold on, You said, If you're an apostolic church,

Or even a Trinitarian church, That implies then, That the apostolic church, You're affirming in,

Is not Trinitarian, At that point, I've got to stop, And say, What do you mean? Well, Yes sir,

Exactly, Some of the, Comments earlier, That you were making, Because of the doctrinal,

Differences, Of the different, Denominations, In today's, Body of believers, Across the world,

If you go, To a, Act 238, Baptism, In the name of, Jesus Christ, You were just talking,

About that, False baptism, If they do the formula, In the name of Jesus, That's how they're baptized,

Then that's a false baptism, It's not obeying Christ, If you're talking, About apostolic stuff, Like United Apostolic, Where they deny the

Trinity, They're not even Christian, Right, Because they encourage people,

To be baptized, In the name of Jesus Christ, For the remission, Of their sins, I think you just explained,

That to a decaller, Yes sir, No, I'm saying that the, Oneness Pentecostal, The people who deny,

The Trinity, And believe that God, Is only one person, And add works to salvation, By baptism, And or speaking in tongues,

They're not Christians, It's a cult, That's what I'm saying, Right, Right, I understand,

What you're saying, That's what I'm, Okay, That's the reason, I'm approaching you, This way, Instead of just asking you,

A simple question, Because I do value, Your intelligence, And how you help,

So many people, So I was just trying, To get you, Because you are on the air, To bring clarity,

To people, That are believers, And descriptors, In that area,

Okay, Just, Um, You know, I appreciate it, You know, I do, Yeah, Well, I do try and teach,

Because we have a lot of that, Yeah, Go ahead, Well, You're awesome, I mean, You know, Like you,

Like I'm saying, And like you're saying, There is a lot of division, Because a lack of clarity,

Of the proper, Understanding, Of the word of God, Okay, I'm just asking this,

So people would think about, Where they are, So they can, Come more wholeheartedly,

With a clarity of thought, Of where they are, And who they are in Christ, That's right, That's one of the things,

We're hoping to do, By teaching the word of truth, On the radio, Yeah, So praise God, And you're doing a great job,

And you are right now too, All right, Well, I thank you for taking my call, Lord bless you, Sure, No problem,

Okay, God bless, All right, Now let's get to, Next longest waiting is,

Moses, Mona, Mona, Welcome, You're on the air, Hey, Can you hear me?

Yes, I can, So what do you got? All right, I don't know how much, You're going to let me,

Stay on the air, But, Um, If Kamala Harris, Gets to be president,

The heads of these, Other countries, Are not going to deal with her, Because she's not acting, Like a woman, And she's not dressing,

Like a woman, And my proof of that is, When, Sir, I, Went to Abram, And said,

Yes, Do you have a question, About this though, Or what? No, I just,

Wanted to, Approach women at large, And say, That we need to start,

Acting like women, And start dressing, Like women, And not acting, Like what God would call, A harlot, And we're going to see this,

If Kamala Harris, Gets to be president, Wow, Um, And the country, Is going to have to, Deal with her. That's an interesting comment,

But, I tell you what, If you can form a question though, We can talk about something, That would be worth doing,

So why don't you, You know, Review all that, And then develop a question out of it, And call back, And we can, We can talk about it,

Okay? We'd appreciate that, Let's get to Leroy, From Virginia, Leroy, Welcome, You're on the air,

Leroy, Leroy, Buddy, Here, Leroy, You're on the air, How you doing? I'm doing all right,

I'm doing all right man, What do you got buddy? Uh, Yeah buddy, Um, Your name

Mack Flipp, Right? Yes, Yep, Okay, Okay, Okay, So, Uh, I've been listening for a while,

And, Can you explain about, Acts 2, 38, Please? Because I heard a lot of people ask,

A lot of questions, About baptism, And, There was,

You know, A couple people, At the last one, Talking about Acts 2, 38, And the Trinity, I mean,

It's between Acts 2, 38, And the Trinity, Can you explain, Both of them,

Please? We don't, We only have two minutes, So it's going to be difficult to get those, In two minutes,

Because you, Go ahead, But, I was going to say, You can call back tomorrow, We can talk about them,

But in the meantime, Uh, Acts 2, 38, Is not a formula for salvation,

A lot of people, Say, Go ahead, A lot of, A lot of people say it is,

But you ask a question, Is it a formula for salvation? If they say yes,

Then you ask them, If it's a formula for salvation, Then why is faith, Not mentioned?

If it's a formula, If it's what you do to get saved, Why is faith, Not mentioned in there? That's the first question you've got to ask,

If they say it's implied, You say, but it's not mentioned you said it was a formula but it's not is it if they say baptized in the name of Jesus that's simply a phrase that's used in Acts 4 7 to designate the authority of someone like stop in the name of the law baptized in the name of Jesus and how they're baptized is by quoting what

Jesus said to do in Matthew 28 19 20 baptizing a name of the Father Son Holy Spirit and it says for the forgiveness of sins it doesn't mean you obtain the forgiveness of sins there because the phrase for the forgiveness of sins is used in Mark 1 4 and Luke for it was mark 1 4 specifically where it says

John the Baptist baptized for the forgiveness of sins does that mean that John's baptism gave them forgiveness of sins and if so did they need to get baptized again later in the

Trinitarian baptism did these offer sacrifices are all kind of problems with that position and we're out of time brother sorry about that call back tomorrow we can talk some more about it because it's worth getting into you got

God bless okay Alberto go got a call back tomorrow also hey may the