Noah's Flood: Worldwide or Local
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Was Noah's Flood Worldwide or only local? What are the Biblical and geological evidences that the Flood was worldwide and not local? There are significant theological implications based on what you believe. This talk was given April 2022 at Shasta Bible College Alpha Omega Conference.
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- Ark Encounter Museum in Kentucky. We work with Liberty University. We have a team of about 11 PhDs.
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- We just finished the filming for what I think is going to be a great new film on Noah's Flood.
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- Our goal is to have the most photorealistic visual representation of what happened during the
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- Flood that's ever been done. It should be done in about a year and a half. We're working with Ralph Stren as our director and producer, and he put together the
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- We have a book that goes along with that called The Ark in the Darkness, and that has a lot of the scientific evidence for the
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- Flood that we'll be covering in the movie. So why is this topic that we're looking at today important?
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- So we even see here in this recent Christian publication that came out and said, did the Flood of Noah cover the entire earth?
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- Hugh Ross on what the Bible says. And I'm not here to go after any single creation minister or any single speaker.
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- This is a phenomenon that's permeated the church. This is just one example. There are a lot of teachers out there.
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- There's a lot of Christians. There's a lot of seminary professors, a lot of Christian science -oriented folks that do hold to the local
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- Flood idea. And I'm going to be so bold as to say that it's a false teaching. That's straight up what it is.
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- The Bible is expressly clear, as we're going to find out in about the next fifty minutes or so, that God was very clear that both
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- His covenant and His Word depend upon the idea of it being a worldwide flood. So I am going to come out pretty strong against this topic, and I think it's not just me.
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- I think I'm just representing what God's Word says about it. You know, sometimes God puts things in His Word so that we can preserve it and hold onto it over generations.
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- And you've got to ask yourself, why in the first chapter of Genesis did God say for each of the six days, why did
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- He box in each of the six days with evening, morning, day, number?
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- Evening, morning, day, number. And then why in the fourth commandment did God say with, in the only little section of Scripture He wrote with His own hands on stone tablets, did
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- He say, for in six days I created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all that in them is. Why did
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- He say stuff like that? I think it's to preserve His Word and to protect it against future compromise.
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- The students that I minister to that come through our ministry or they get awakened to this idea of a young earth and creation and God created over six days, it provides a complete worldview shift for them, and that's a shift
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- I personally went through about eight years ago when I did realize that Genesis 1 to 11 is real history.
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- It gave my whole system permission for my brain to join my heart.
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- I knew my heart was with the Lord. I knew He had saved me and regenerated me, but my mind was about 10 feet behind my heart because I was indoctrinated with the idea of millions of years in evolution and wasn't quite sure what
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- I believed. But then when I went through this shift, it was like going to a chiropractor when that 18 -inch separation between your head and your heart got aligned for me, and it was like being born again, again.
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- My faith was renewed, and I love seeing students go through this, and I think the worldwide flood is just as important.
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- You have to believe that God is complete and thorough in what He does, and for our own sakes out of love,
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- He judged the past world and gave us another start through Noah and his family. So the whole idea of a worldwide flood is important because it's important to God, and He made it very expressly clear in Scripture.
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- I would even say that how we regard the flood and how we regard the days of creation and when it happened reflects on how we regard
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- God's character Himself. Because if we take a literal interpretation, which is what we hold today, of Genesis and the days of creation, that God created everything perfect over six ordinary earth rotation days, and then at some point we have the fall and sin entered into the world, and then as a result or a consequence of the fall, death and suffering and bloodshed and cancer and disease and thorns and thistles came into the world as a result, as a consequence of what we had done.
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- And that means that death and suffering are brought into the world by Adam and Eve's sin. So we can't blame cancer nowadays on God.
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- Cancer is a result of a reflection of what we had done because of our faulty choices.
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- But if you hold to a non -literal interpretation, which a growing number of Christians today are holding, then we have, you know, creation and we have some millions of years before Adam and Eve were even brought onto the earth or even were converted from some hominid form into human supposedly, then at some point we have the fall and sin, but then we have millions of years of death, suffering, and bloodshed before Adam and Eve were even here to bring in death, suffering, and bloodshed into the world.
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- So if that's the case, then we have to put thorns and thistles that they say are in the fossil record 200 million years ago, even before Adam and Eve were here, and that would mean really that the fall had not much of an effect.
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- So that's putting God in a responsible role for death, suffering, and making it all
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- His fault. So you can't have time plus death and natural selection and survival of the fittest eventually leading from ape -like creatures over to man.
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- Rather, the Bible presents a different case where God says He's breathed, He spoke, and made
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- Adam and Eve out of the dust of the ground, and then we brought in sin and death and suffering, and it wasn't
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- God's initial plan and design for us. We went off the reservation.
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- So we can't have millions of years of death, suffering, disease leading from apes to humans. Rather, it's sin that led to death and all of the consequences.
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- So now let's take a quick tour through Genesis 1 to 11 and see how this impacts our reading of Scripture.
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- If we hold to a non -literal view of Genesis, let's watch what happens. So here now we're in Genesis chapter 1.
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- We have the six days of creation. Everything lays out, but if this is figurative or mythical or allegorical, and then we have to really remove evening, morning, day number, because if you're just honest, you can't have those words in there if you're going to stretch millions of years and insert that into the
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- Bible. So we just have to take out our black line marker and cross out all those words. So right out of the gate, if we're going to take millions of years and insert it and jam it into the
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- Bible somehow, we've got to strike out chapter 1 in the ways shown on the screen.
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- What about death before sin and Adam naming all the animals? Because the Bible is very clear with respect to dinosaurs that God said, look,
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- I'm going to form the earth, I'm going to fill the earth, and on day five I'm going to make mammals, I'm going to make birds and fish, and on day six
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- I'm going to make mammals and man. And then as His capstone creation, He says, all right, Adam, I'm going to make you out of the dust of the earth, and I'm going to put you guys in charge of dominion over everything, and I want you to name everything.
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- Well, biblically speaking, there's a lot that happens when you name someone. I got to name my son
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- Matthew because he's my issue. That's my legal term of art that says I issued my son, and God says,
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- Adam, you get to name everything, and He took dominion over everything, and when they fell, everything, all of creation was cursed as a result of that, so you can't have millions of years of dinosaurs before Adam was even here to take dominion over everything.
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- So we have to adjust chapter two as well and throw in some strikeouts over those parts of the text as well.
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- We get to Genesis three, and we look at death before sin, well, we got to cross out a few things there, and we get to Genesis four, and we look at the beginning of the genealogies, well, we're just starting to warm up to the genealogies that have about 6 ,000 years worth of history, not 60 ,000 years of history, so we have to start adjusting the
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- Genesis genealogies by saying that they really didn't name the kids that they were having, because the
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- Bible's very clear that Adam named his son and Seth named his son because there's a chain that happens when you do that, naming and issuing and naming and issuing, but by the time we get to Genesis chapter five, it starts getting really weird.
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- We have to strike out the whole chapter because we've got 6 ,000 years of history that go back there, and evolutionists or people that hold to old earth creationism are saying, somehow on these genealogies, we've got to fit at least 50 ,000 years for the evolution of the human line.
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- We've got to somehow do that, and when you get to Genesis chapter six, we can't have a global flood, we have to have a local flood, so we've got to cross out every time it says every and all, the
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- Hebrew word kol, really doesn't mean what it says it does, and you know that Hebrew also includes words that would be for a remnant or a territory or a certain area, but you know, there's no restricting words at all in Genesis six through nine.
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- The whole section talks about all, everything is going to die, the whole world is going to be wiped out.
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- God was expressly clear. So we get to chapter seven, same thing, we have to really start crossing stuff out now because every time it's talking about a holistic worldwide judgment and flood, then we have to cross it out because God's talking about the process being global and the judgment was also global.
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- God wasn't judging a few tribesmen that had gone astray, he was judging humanity that had gone astray.
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- We get to chapter eight, again, we have to change it from a local flood to a global flood, now we just have to pick out certain words, but you guys,
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- I don't want to pick out any of these words. The whole word of God is instructive. Genesis chapter nine, same thing, it gets, it keeps going bad, we got to cross out all that stuff, but when we get to chapter 10, we have to cross out that whole chapter again.
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- So you can see what implications happen when we malign the word of God to try to jam man's idea of millions of years of evolution into the script.
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- When we do that, we have to start crossing stuff out. So now let's explore five evidences within God's word about the idea of a global worldwide flood and then four evidences that are outside of the
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- Bible, things like geology. The first one is, let's just take a quick tour through the text itself.
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- If we look at Genesis, we look at the flood text, here's a quick tour, I just pulled out a few key passages here.
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- So this is Genesis chapter six, it says, then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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- And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on earth and he was grieved in his heart. So the Lord said,
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- I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth. Well, we can just stop right there,
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- I will destroy man whom I created from the face of the earth. So everybody who was alive at the time had to go.
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- That's very clear right from that verse itself. And then he goes on and says, both man and beast and creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them, but Noah found grace in the eyes of the
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- Lord. So we can pay attention to verse five, that he saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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- So look at those two extreme words. We've got every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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- Mankind had degraded to a cascading cycle of evil all the time.
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- They had just got so depraved that they were in a downward spiral of thinking and conjuring up ways to do evil and then doing evil.
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- So he says, I'm going to wipe them from the face of the earth. So if the flood was just local, then were the every intents of the thoughts of man's heart of evil continually true of only some people of humanity?
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- Did God look down and say, well, there's only this little tribe over here. They've gone astray. So I'm going to wipe out just them in this little local area, or was he going to wipe out everyone?
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- So that wouldn't really seem to fit. And was God sorry that he had made them, was that section, because only a few local tribes people were disappointing him?
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- Or had all of humanity except for Noah become corrupt? And I think it's obvious from the text that all of humanity had corrupted themselves.
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- And it continues in verse nine, it says, this is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations.
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- Now there's lots of word study that you can do there, or what did that mean, and was perfect in his generation. But Noah walked with God, and Noah begot three sons,
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- Shem, Ham, and Japheth. The earth was also corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
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- So God looked upon the earth, and indeed, it was corrupt. So the earth was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on earth.
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- Earth was in need of an entire reset, and Noah was the only guy left, preserved, who could carry his righteousness into the post -flood world.
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- So here we go again, if the flood was just local, then why was the earth so corrupted also?
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- Interesting to think about that, and why had all flesh had corrupted its way? So we see a setup in Genesis chapter six, we really need to go no further with respect to the worldwide flood versus the local flood.
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- God's looking at earth, and he's saying, I need to send a huge judgment here, and we're starting over, because the whole earth, everything on the face of the earth is corrupt.
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- So if the flood was just local then, well why is the Hebrew term for all used 72 times and only 85 verses in just the flood section, and the word only occurs 342 times in the entire book of Genesis chapter, all 50 chapters?
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- So that's 25 % of all occurrences, and God could have used different words to mean some or maybe a little territory, but God's being all -encompassing when he's using the word all or every here.
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- There's lots of different ways to look at that, but it's very clear from the text he's saying this is going to be a worldwide judgment.
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- And it continues in verse 13 here, and God said to Noah, for the end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them, and behold,
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- I will destroy them with the earth. So take a footnote of that last phrase I just read,
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- I will destroy them with the earth. People ask us pretty much at every flood talk
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- I give, the first question I get is where are all the human fossils? And the first answer I give them is there's lots of good taphonomy reasons why we don't have a lot of human fossils, but the biblical reason is right here.
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- God said I'm going to use earth to destroy humanity. And when you look at catastrophic plate tectonics, which we're going to take a glimpse at today, you'll figure out why
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- God used the earth to destroy humanity. It was a recycling machine. He literally resurfaced earth during the flood, and it continues, and behold,
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- I myself am bringing the floodwaters on the earth. So we know that this is a miraculous event.
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- I myself am going to bring floodwaters on the earth. He's going to do something. And he's going to crack the egg of earth, and he's going to do something major.
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- To destroy from heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life, everything that is on earth shall die.
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- But I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall go into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you.
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- So now we see a shift from God talking about a worldwide judgment and a process to go along with it where he's going to use earth to destroy humanity.
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- And now he's talking about the saved preserved line of Noah saying, I'm going to make a new covenant with humanity through you.
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- So a whole judgment and a whole new covenant that's coming. So some interesting parts to pay attention to there that I'm going to destroy them with the earth.
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- Here's what that would look like when God destroys humanity with the earth. We have 40 ,000 miles of linear rifting happening.
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- We have new seafloor spreading. We have all this new seafloor being recycled underneath the earth causing tsunamis to be brought up, and in some cases, thousands of feet of sediment.
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- Why can't we find the Garden of Eden? Because it's buried, and all the people that were living in that area got buried.
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- So it's a huge catastrophic process, and when you look at how this happened, when you have the seafloor spreading and then binding against the overriding plate and then building tension and then releasing and snapping up, it's causing tsunamis probably every five minutes, says
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- Dr. Bumgartner, who's been modeling this stuff for 40 years, and it's bringing up mud and sediment, and as the mud and sediment is coming up and burying creatures, including humanity, we have a lot of volcanism that's related to the subducting plates that's coming up, spraying up ash that's also drifting all over in America.
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- About half the country was covered with ash, and it's bringing in that process as well. Then it continues in Genesis 7, for after seven more days,
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- I will cause it to rain on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.
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- God made everything, and he's going to take everything away. In the 600th year of Noah's life, in the second month and the 17th day of the month, on that day, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up.
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- So it's definitely not a myth book. It's not allegory. This is real history with days and chapters and months and everything and years and ages, and the windows of heaven were opened.
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- So there's the fountains of the great deep today. This is God's judgment. There are places you can go around and scuba dive on earth today and see the remnants of the fountains of the great deep that were opened up.
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- So God's judgment, it was complete, and it was definitely worldwide because he said, I'm going to open all of the fountains of the great deep, and there's about a 40 ,000 -mile system of those fountains.
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- Then we go up to Genesis chapter 7, and it says, the waters prevailed greatly and increased on the earth, and the ark moved on the surface of the waters, and the waters prevailed exceedingly on earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.
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- The waters prevailed 15 cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. So it says that all of the high hills, not just the hills, but all of the high hills under the whole of heaven were covered, and the mountains were covered.
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- So here again, water seeks to fill its own level, its own plane, so we can't have this, we have to have this.
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- We can't have some type of water come up and it's just going to stop at a certain place and have a local flood, and it's going to be regional only.
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- If water's going to come up and cover the highest hills by 15 cubits or about 22 feet, it's going to have to spread around, just like the
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- Bible says, under the whole heaven, the whole of heaven, and cover the whole earth. So that's what it looked like over here where it says this and not this.
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- And it continues, it says in verse 21, and all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the
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- Spirit of life, and all that was on dry land died. So he destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground, both man and cattle, creeping thing and birds.
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- You know, why keep listing all these taxonomies? Because God's saying everything that's in these groups was perished.
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- They were destroyed on the earth and only, here we go again, more exclusive language, only Noah and those who were with him on the ark remained alive.
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- And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days. So, so far, does this sound like a global flood or a local flood?
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- If we just take a reading, and we can talk, there are people that want to talk about the Hebrew, there are people that talk about, well, what does the
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- King James say or the New King James say? I think we read the New King James today. Pretty much any one of modern, 60 modern
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- Bible translations, you get out and read it, you're going to come to the same conclusions we're drawing now. Wow, God's talking about a judgment that's worldwide and a new covenant that's going to affect all of humanity that's going to come through Noah.
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- But it gets even better because now we have more evidences that would say that the flood lasted for a long time.
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- The flood was a 371 -day process. Well, have you ever considered that seasonal floods and regional floods, do they ever last a year or two years?
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- Most floods are like a couple days or maybe a couple of weeks because they're related to torrential rain or seasonal fluctuations that might last a few months at best.
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- Here is a list of the top floods in recorded history that killed at least 10 ,000 people, and most of them lasted much less than a year.
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- But the global flood of Noah's time lasted over a year, 371 days.
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- But you look at all these other floods, they were related to storms that are related to seasonal fluctuations.
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- That wasn't the case in Noah's time. It was a 371 -day process. The waters came up for 150 days, then zenith, and then prevailed, and then started decreasing, and then earthed right out for 70 days.
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- So that doesn't sound like a seasonal flood to me or a short -term flood. That's more of a long -term thing.
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- Now let's look at the ark. So if the flood was just a local thing, why build this amazing, robust ark that's three stories and had fiberglass waterproofing on the inside and the outside, but this pitch stuff, when you put it on, it dries like epoxy, and then take 55 to 75 years to build it and have a seven -to -one length -to -width ratio.
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- This was a very, very robust craft, 300 cubits by 50 cubits by 30 cubits.
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- And we look at some people that have run experiments at the Korean Naval Research Center and comparing the dimensions of the
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- God -given ark that God gave directly to Noah to 11 different models and have proved out scientifically that length -to -width ratio and the 300 by 50 by 30 dimensions was the ideal blueprint.
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- It's in fact the blueprint that we use today for a lot of the ocean barges that are coming over between different countries, bringing trade goods.
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- So it's an amazing design. And here's a quick, you know, I don't think we can play the clip today. I don't have audio.
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- But I played this yesterday. This is from Chuck Missler. And he talks about,
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- I will cancel that out here. He talks about how the design of the dimensions of Noah's flood, of Noah's ark were so perfect, and you look at the draft and the buoyancy and everything that was created.
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- If you take the dimension of that rectangular cross -section of the ark, you can tilt it up almost 90 degrees before it's going to capsize, and it has a natural tendency to rebound.
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- So it's not really going to flip over. An ark like a circle or an ark like a cube is going to rotate when you crank up the
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- Buford Storm Scale and do some modeling on it. But when you do modeling on Noah's ark with those specific dimensions, it has a way that it pushes back and rights itself because of the buoyancy in the draft.
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- So God knew exactly what he was doing when he created that amazing ark. And yes, of course, all of the animals can fit.
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- Just a quick second on here. So if you look at Canis lupus, which is the original dog kind or the wolf, well, all of the dogs we have today can ancestrally relate back to Canis lupus.
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- They go back to the wolf kind, so you don't have to bring all the different breeds of dogs. You just bring a set of wolves and you've got the dog kind covered.
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- Same thing with the breeds of horses. Over 300 breeds of horses. You can take small horses and breed them with monstrous horses.
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- They're still all interfertile. And the one I find most interesting is the Ursidae family, which is the bear family.
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- You know that most of those species in the bear family are still interfertile today. So you don't need to bring all these different species and all these different breeds.
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- You just bring them at the family level or at the kind level where they're still interfertile. And then you only need fewer than 3 ,000 different kinds or varieties of animals.
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- Here's a good, real practical question. If Noah's Flood was only local, there's two things to think about.
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- Why couldn't God have just told Noah, hey, I'm going to flood the Mesopotamian Valley over here and kill some stuff.
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- Why don't you guys just walk up over the next valley and go to that next high mountain, just stay up there, camp up for a month, and then come back down when the flood waters have subsided?
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- But why bring the birds? Birds are really, really lasting. They can survive floods. They just fly to high ground.
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- Super easy. But why did God say you've got to bring the birds too? If it was a year -long flood and it was worldwide, you can see why you'd have to bring the birds.
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- Many birds can fly for days, even weeks on end, but not a year without landing somewhere down.
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- In fact, one of the most convincing points about this is go to the paleontology database called
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- Fossil Works. You can go there online, type in pterosaurs, and you'll notice that pterosaurs, the big, huge flying reptiles, they are scattered all through the
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- Mesozoic. They're in the Triassic layers, the Jurassic layers, the Cretaceous layers.
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- These birds are found everywhere all over the world because some of them tried surviving for a long time.
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- They're airborne. When all this crazy stuff's going on, there's volcanism and tsunamis, the birds pop up, get airborne.
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- They're like, man, we've got to fly this one out. Then they start crashing and fly as long as they can and go down, and that's why they're buried all over the world in different strata.
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- Very interesting. So I think that point alone is quite convincing of the worldwide flood. Next let's turn about, well, what did
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- Jesus say, and what about the New Testament with respect to this idea of a global flood? Well, Jesus said, but of the day and the hour of his return, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, but my
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- Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
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- For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away.
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- So also will the coming of the Son of Man be. So is Jesus' return going to be just a local thing too, or is it a worldwide phenomenon?
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- Because the analogy that Jesus here is talking about, it says, look, the flood came and took everybody away, unless you were in the ark.
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- And he's saying, so it will be with the coming of the Son of Man. So Jesus here said that the flood took everybody away, save those that were on the ark.
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- And 2 Peter 3 has some quite convincing evidence. It says, for they deliberately, it's talking about the scoffers that are going to come in the end times, they overlook this fact that the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God.
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- So God spoke creation into existence. And by that means of these, the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
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- But by the same word, the heavens and earth that now existed are stored up for fire, being kept until a day of judgment and destruction on the ungodly.
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- So look at this, by that means that this world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
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- So the whole world was cataclysmically judged and perished.
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- And then we're going to have a new heavens and new earth. So here we go again, is only one of these a complete judgment?
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- And it's definitely not. There are both complete judgments that are going to happen. Here's another one from 2
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- Peter 2, for if God did not spare the angels who sinned but cast them down into Tartarus, or hell, and delivered them into the change of darkness to be reserved for judgment, and did not spare the ancient world, but saved
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- Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly.
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- So that again is pretty clear language. It was a worldwide event. And he says, look, he didn't even spare the ancient world.
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- It's gone. And everything that was happening in that ancient world is gone. We have a reset.
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- We're on the new planet here. But saved Noah, one of only eight people, not one of 8 ,000 that were eligible, not one of 100 million, but only one of eight people that survived.
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- Next let's look at the covenant of the rainbow. So the Bible says here that God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him saying, and as for me, behold,
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- I established my covenant. So we now have a new covenant coming in with you and your descendants after you.
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- And this covenant extends with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you.
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- He names again the animal categories, the same animal categories he said during the flood he's going to wipe out.
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- He's saying, I'm going to continue this covenant with them as well. All that go out of the ark, every beast on the earth.
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- Though I established my covenant with you, never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood.
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- Never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth. How many floods have there been since Noah's flood that have regionally destroyed all kinds of people and all kinds of animals?
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- So God can't be a liar. He's saying never again is there going to be a flood of this caliber, of this level, but there's been lots of little floods since, but never again a worldwide flood.
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- And it continues, and God said, this is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you, and again he lists every living creature that is with you, for perpetual or ongoing generations.
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- I set my rainbow on the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
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- So now he's talking about the covenant extends to the earth. So he's got a covenant going on with the earth and with the animals and with the people, and it's perpetual.
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- It shall be when I bring a cloud of the earth that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud, and I will remember my covenant which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh.
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- The waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all the flesh.
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- So the waters will never again become a flood like they did to destroy all flesh.
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- The rainbow shall be on the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.
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- So the rainbow is an everlasting covenant. He made it with the earth, the animals, and with humans. There's no way you can park a local flood in what
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- I just read. It's a worldwide covenant, and it covers everything, the animals, the earth, and people.
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- There's been hundreds and hundreds of major floods around the world where millions of people have died, but never again a worldwide flood, so God has been true to his word.
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- Now let's look at some evidences outside of the Bible, starting first with massive geological layers.
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- Do you know that Dr. Clary from ICR over here, our friends at ICR have done extensive, extensive research, and I would say that Dr.
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- Clary has been obsessive with this line of his research, looking at oil core boreholes.
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- There's over 1 ,800 of them that he's analyzed worldwide, and he's determined that these sloss megasequences are a true thing.
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- Some secular geologists came up with this idea called the sloss megasequences, where you see an unconformity in the layers of limestone, and then some shale, and then some sand, and then a conglomerate.
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- That would be one of the megasequences, but we've now found six of them that are layered all throughout the earth, and he's mapped these on several different continents.
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- Here's what it looks like. We have the Sauk that was laid down first, and we can see this in North America, and then followed by the
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- Tippecanoe, and then the Kaskaskia, and then the Absaroka, and then the Zuni, and the Tejas is the last one.
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- That's a lot of Ice Age stuff and some flood regions in that sequence as well. There's the first five that I just flew, and they're like pancakes that came in on earth.
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- You can drill down and see these megasequences that happen in different processes during the flood.
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- We know that the Sauk, the Tippecanoe, and the Kaskaskia were bearing mostly sea creatures because we can look at the fossil record and do counts at where they're found in the fossil record and find mostly sea creatures.
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- Then when you go up higher above the Absaroka and you get into the Zuni, that's when the land creatures bought it.
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- Here is a frequency distribution, and you can see the proportion of fossils where most of the creatures that died out first that are buried in the earliest or the deepest down on earth were the marine life, and then after that when we get into the
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- Absaroka and the Zuni, then we see the land creatures starting to get buried. We have clear data from 1 ,800 drill cores in the earth, around the earth, around different continents that these sloth megasequences are a thing, and Dr.
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- Clary has done extensive work on that. If you just go to searchcreation .org and type in megasequences, you'll see a lot of Dr.
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- Clary's work. That doesn't also not look like a local flood because those pancakes that I just showed you that formed on top of North America, that was a worldwide catastrophe.
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- You can see those same megasequences on other continents. Whatever happened in the past to bury the fossil layers and the fossils that we have was a worldwide event.
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- Let's look specifically at the fossil record, and then we'll wrap up pretty soon here. If the flood was worldwide, we should expect fossils worldwide that were laid down quickly in mud layers.
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- If you go to fossilworks .com and you type in, hey, show me all the world's fossils, here we have it.
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- There are fossil beds and fossil deposits that are worldwide, and many of them are correlated.
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- If you look at the Cretaceous layers or the Jurassic layers, you see the same types of creatures that worldwide bought it at the same time during a flood.
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- Something like this really had to have happened where you have the fountains of the great deep cracking through earth, setting up these supercritically heated water jets, bringing on tsunamis that are burying the creatures.
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- We know through Dr. Baumgartner's simulations that that's what happened. This is how we can explain these megasequences and the fossil record.
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- As I mentioned, we can still see the fountains of the great deep and where they were today. They're even pronounced in places like the
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- Mid -Atlantic Ridge. It's a 10 ,000 mile tear that goes through the middle of earth like that. We have the seafloor spreading.
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- This is how we have all these fossils that are found in North America and in different places all over the world.
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- It's a very, very obvious phenomenon, but it's not just millions, it's billions of fossils that are found everywhere.
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- It takes events like subduction and like tsunamis and like volcanism to bury these creatures where the earth comes down and binds.
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- I know we've seen these slides before, but I want to queue them up before we think about this. Let's just look at the dinosaur fossil record in particular.
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- We've got a kill zone here that's 1 ,800 miles long by 1 ,000 miles wide, about a million square miles.
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- How did all these animals die at the same time if it was just a local flood? If we look at the idea of evolutionists, we'll say, well, maybe it was just an asteroid that came down and went kerplunk on the
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- Yucatan Peninsula about 2 ,000 miles away from where all these dead dinosaurs were.
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- That doesn't make any sense because they're buried in the middle of America. We know that tsunamis are bringing up hundreds of feet of mud and sand and ash because that's what they're buried in.
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- We know that it had to come in from the east to the west, and in some cases from the west to the east, bringing in all this mud and sediment, and it's burying these creatures while the repeating tsunamis are coming up over the earth like this.
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- A local flood's not going to do that. In fact, Dr. John Baumgartner has been so brave to say he thinks some of these tsunamis were so massive they actually came across the entire continent in some cases, wiping animals out.
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- So we can look at fossil correlation. We know that this happened. This is what explains the fossil record and why it was a worldwide phenomenon.
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- If the flood wasn't worldwide, why can we find brother -sister fossils or cousins of the same species on different continents now on a system that used to be put back together?
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- We have entire biospheres that were sandwiched together with all these animals living well, each of these little dots is a massive fossil bone bed.
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- They're living together in these little ecosystems that were rapidly and catastrophically ripped apart.
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- So now we have the same type of flora and fauna on either side of these continents, and when you match them back together, they were together.
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- They were living in the same ecosystem. The fountains of the great deep ripped the continents apart, and now we have a brother buried over here and a sister of that same species buried 3 ,000 miles separate.
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- That really puts those two things together of why it was a worldwide flood, and we can start digging up these dinosaur bones and finding why it was a worldwide flood because they're buried in those three different products.
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- They're buried in mud and sand and ash, and catastrophic plate tectonics would explain how those three products would be mixed up and buried with the dinosaurs today because we would have the tsunamis coming up from the subduction that's related that's going to come up and bind and then force these tsunamis up onto the continents, and then the subduction related volcanoes would explain how we have all the ash that's going to come over and bury these creatures together.
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- So a local flood is not capable of taking entire North America here where you see all these
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- Allosaurus creatures with all these little blue dots, that's where we find them buried today, and burying the
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- Allosaurus with the sauropods with the Stegosaurus. So never in history do we see one creature like this
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- Allosaurus dying and going over and laying down in some mud pit somewhere, and a sauropod thinking, I think
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- I'll go lie down next to the dead Allosaurus and die along with them. And then same with the
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- Stegosaurus, when we fly them all in together, why is it you guys that we have all three of these species buried in the same place?
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- That's the most obvious thing in the world to me, it's a worldwide flood, there's no mechanism of a local
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- Mesopotamian flood that's going to take creatures like this worldwide and bury them. And by the way, these creatures are also found other places in the globe buried in the same strata.
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- How did that happen if it was just a local thing? We also have worldwide oil and coal deposits,
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- I won't spend too much time on this, but we've learned now with scientific experiments that you can recreate oil and coal just in years if you have the right conditions, so it doesn't take millions of years to form oil and coal deposits.
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- We have, you know, it had to be a worldwide flood because now in some cases you have these coal seams that are 90 feet high.
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- How much organic material and vegetation would it take to, you know, to have a coal seam that's now been compressed and you bring the sediment all on top of that?
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- What type of local flood is capable of doing that? It had to be a worldwide global, you know, catastrophe and that's why we look at these coal seams, they're everywhere.
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- It's not a local flood because we have oil buried all over the place, even they're discovering huge amounts of oil now under Israel, we've got them all over America, and coal deposits.
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- Those two things are buried under the entire world, spread all over the place.
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- Last couple we'll take a look at here is that the flood covered the highest mountains. Let's revisit this verse where God says that the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth and all the high hills under the whole of heaven were covered, and then
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- He says even 15 cubits. Why would God give us specifics like that if we couldn't trust it?
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- Why would God just not say, yeah, I covered a lot of the mountains with water? He didn't say that. Why would He give us a measurement, 15 cubits?
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- That's very interesting. So water's gonna seek its own level and now we're gonna look at something that's quite specific and very geological, so track with me on this.
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- There is a scientist, Dr. Boyd from UC Davis that came out and learned scientifically using secular instruments and secular scientific techniques that the
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- Cretaceous fossils prove there was what they call, this is secular scientists say there was something that happened called a late
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- Cretaceous transgression. Late Cretaceous, so the
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- Cretaceous fossil layers, transgression. Well what's a transgression? Something where the flood came up and everything was buried.
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- That's secular terminology. Here's an animation of what they think happened. Something happened in North America from the
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- East and West to push together and buckle these sediment layers when they were laid down wet because we have a lot of folded strata all over the world and in particular in America and they say that what happened is if you look at the
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- Cretaceous fossil layers and you look at today's sea level, 50 % of the
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- Cretaceous fossils are higher than the current sea level could have produced. So here is a quote from the journal article that says, and you've got to track through all the technical terms here, but subsidence of continental crust beyond isotactic response to sediment loading is required in large parts of North America during the transgression, the late
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- Cretaceous transgression, even if the sea level rose as much as 310 meters.
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- What they're saying is this, that the Cretaceous fossils that are in America were somehow pushed up so high that the ocean layer, that the current ocean level couldn't have covered 50 % of them.
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- Half of the Cretaceous fossils in America, which is this graph right here, all these little dots, half of them are higher than the sea level could have covered, but he's saying they know they were covered with water.
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- The only way you can do that is through catastrophe and pushing the continent together with intense catastrophic plate tectonics to buckle and push and warp up these mountains and then cover them with water.
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- So they bury it with all kinds of technical language here, but what they're saying is, yeah, there was this thing called the late
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- Cretaceous transgression where the waters transgressed or covered all the
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- Cretaceous layers, and that's how we can get things like this where we've got the summit of Mount Everest, which is currently 29 ,000 feet high with all types of marine life buried up on top.
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- Okay, so I think I will end there, and I'd like to see if we can take a couple of questions and how are we doing for time?
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- I might have gone a little bit late. But are there a couple of quick questions I can maybe answer? Yes. You mentioned that people have asked, where are the human bones?
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- And you explained how they got dissolved. Then why are there dinosaur bones if there's no human bones?
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- How can one be destroyed and one not be destroyed? Yes, so I do believe that there are some mummified or some petrified human remains.
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- In fact, John McKay is a really well -known Cretaceous speaker. He drilled into this topic for a long time, and he started getting in access into different like Smithsonian -level museums and found a person who specialized in fossilized human remains, and they made a confession to John that they have 30 ,000 fossilized humans, so humans that would be buried in dinosaur layers essentially, and I just found that was incredible.
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- But I think if there were millions of people living before the flood, what I brought up, if God said that I'm going to destroy them with the earth, he did a rather complete job of it, and they're buried all over the place.
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- There are some that are interesting. I won't name any in particular, but there are several different places where studies have been done on humans that we have today that have been either mummified or petrified that have been preserved.
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- But a lot of the dinosaurs are preserved well because we can find them buried so deeply, and they're covered over mud and they were sealed instantly.
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- But if you think about what happens with a worldwide flood, the creatures are buried by their mobility, by their density, and how smart they are.
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- So humans are the top of the food chain, so they're going to be really smart, and when they see the rain coming and they see these tsunamis building and everything, the first thing humans are going to do is, where's the high ground?
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- So they're going for high ground as fast as they can, leaving everything behind, going forward. The second thing they're going to do is start grabbing onto stuff that floats, and they're going to hold on maybe weeks or months to these floating things or makeshift rafts or whatever they can do, and then they call it bloating and floating.
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- After a while when they die, they're going to float, and then they're going to bloat, and then they're going to decay, and then their bones are going to go down to the bottom of the ocean and get ripped apart by scavengers.
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- So that's what happened to a great number of humans during the flood. I think a number of them did get recycled down when
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- God says, look, I'm going to destroy everything off the face of the earth. But when you look at it from a technical standpoint that these creatures are buried by mobility and density and how smart they are, it explains why we don't have a lot of humans around.
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- Yeah. Yeah, so how did the sea creatures die in water if they already live in water?
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- If you look at creatures like Spinosaurus, that was a semi -aquatic creature, or Mosasaurs or Megalodons, the big, huge creatures that we have that are buried today that we find like whales and things like that, they had a real hard time during the flood.
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- You can turn salt water into brackish water into mud, and they can't swim very fast. So they're going to be rapidly killed, the bigger ones, but really quick ones like a tuna can tuck in its fins and swim 30 miles an hour.
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- So it could book forward and go different places. But a lot of the smaller creatures are going to have an easier time living.
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- But the big stuff, it got wiped out really quick. So does that answer your question?
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- Yes. What the fossil record shows is that over 90 % of the fossil record that we have today is marine life.
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- So there's a whole lot of fish and marine life that did die out, and they're in those first three mega -sequences that we talked about.
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- But a number of the fish still were able to live, and God just providentially ordained which ones were going to make it and which ones were not.
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- But I'm thankful that the big ones died out, like Megalodon. You don't want to have a 50 -foot white shark come up and grab you in your rowboat.
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- So a lot of the animals did make it, but a lot of them did not. But 90 % of the fossil record is dead marine life.
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- Is there a question? Yes. So if you look at what the flood did to water.
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- So water right now, we have freshwater, brackish water, and saltwater, and we have creatures like a trout and a steelhead that can live in freshwater and change to saltwater all within its lifetime.
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- So different fish could live in different types of water, but if you want the direct answer to your question, much of the water during the flood was a geochemical soup, and there was a lot of accelerated nuclear decay that was probably happening during the flood.
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- We know that from the uranium deposits that are everywhere. So in some cases, it was a boiling cauldron that was uninhabitable, and everything in those entire regions was wiped out.
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- But there were some levels. I mean, you just imagine God in His providence where He says, I'm going to use the water and the earth to destroy them and preserve others.
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- There were certain areas that God allowed the water to be either fresh or brackish or salt to preserve those species that He wanted for us today, whereas a lot of the other stuff was just in a boiling cauldron and died out.
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- And we know from some studies that have been done from paleontology, in many cases they've proved that the dinosaurs died out in like a hot, hot, bubbling, boiling water where their flesh was just cooked right off of their bodies.
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- So in some areas, it was very hot, very uninhabitable, especially where the steam jets were coming up and everything.
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- Everything in those regions dies, but certain pockets and areas were livable. So, you know, the
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- Bible even says that God shut Noah in, and I believe that literally, that God literally took that door and closed it
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- Himself. So if He was provident enough to do that, I think He was also watching what's swimming around.
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- I'm going to keep these things, but I'm going to let all those Spinosaurus die off and the Mosasaurs and Megalodons, the big stuff,
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- I don't want them coming around haunting my humans anymore. And in fact, one of the most ancient emperors in the country of China became famous for killing off all of the sea dragons that were left over from the
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- Great Flood in China with his military men, going around in boats, killing off sea dragons that were still left from the floodwaters.
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- Very interesting history that we have. Can I take one more question? Yes. So the question is, were there hills before the flood and how were the mountains formed?
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- So the geological term for that is called orogeny or mountain building, and certain places like in the middle of America called the
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- Laramide Orogeny were 100 % caused and created during the flood. They were flood events and some things that happened after the flood as well.
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- But before the flood, most creation scientists would speculate, and it's a clear speculation, that we had a gentle rolling and sloping hills only.
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- That's pretty much what most creation scientists would believe, but that wouldn't preclude some areas from having some harsh, jagged topography as well.
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- But most creation scientists will talk about gradual sloping, rolling hills before the flood.
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- We do know that a lot of the rough stuff like Everest and others were created either during the flood and a lot of it was done after the flood as well.
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- So, great questions you guys. I will take some more questions over there by my booth, but thank you very much for letting me cover this topic today.