Open Air Theology -Rejection of Anabaptist Theology

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for Open Air Theology. I'm also one of the pastor elders at Covenant Reform Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee.
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If you're ever out and about in Tennessee, especially Tallahoma, please come check out your boy.
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Love to have you. Love to worship the Lord with you. And I'm going to pass it down to this guy right here.
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Yeah. I am Pastor Braden Patterson of Valley Baptist Church here in southern
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Idaho, Hagerman, Idaho. If you live in near the area, be a real blessing for you to come worship God with us on the
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Lord's Day at 11 a .m. Today was a blessed day to be able to preach Christ crucified. And yeah,
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I have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon. Go check that out. And absolutely blessed to be a co -host here of Open Air Theology.
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And I will pass it down that way. Hey, my name is Tom Shepard with Grace Bible Church in Birney.
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Member there and the head of the evangelism team. We go out and share the gospel in the streets of San Antonio, Birney, Fredericksburg.
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And if you're looking for a church, we just announced today that September 1st, we're going to be having services morning and evening.
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So if you don't have a place to go, especially in the evening, come visit us. And I'm glad to be here as a co -host of Open Air Theology.
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All right. All right. All right. So how was everybody's Lord's Day today? It was very good.
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It's always good. What was your pastor teaching on today? So he actually did a special sermon.
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He's been in Romans 13 lately, and he was talking about the exceptions of when not to obey, when the government overreaches their authority.
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And he took a break from that and he wanted to introduce and gave a case for why we shouldn't just worship
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Christ on the Lord's Day morning, but the Lord's Day should be a day, a total day of set apart, even in the evening.
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So he was making the case of why we ought to go ahead and get back to worshiping the
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Lord on the evening as well. So I was excited to hear about that. My wife and I have been praying about that and really wanted to see us get into a church that has an evening worship service.
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So we're excited. Very cool. Very cool. What about you, Brian? How was your
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Lord's Day? Oh, it was a real blessing to be able to gather with the here in Hagerman and just the surrounding areas.
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We just preached on Galatians 2 .20. I have been crucified with Christ.
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It was just, it was a wonderful text to be able to be in. And then we had a business meeting after. And so there was some productive conversation that we had with the members here.
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And so, yeah, praise the Lord. Really, really good Lord's Day. I got off of work this morning to say
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I was tired. It'd be an understatement. Did you get a nap in today? I did.
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I did finally get a nap in. So praise the Lord for that. I feel much better now. I was a little grumpy and tired, angry.
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Yeah. So. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. My Lord's Day was pretty good.
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I had a really bad eye headache right above my right eye. Like I had to stop as I was preaching and ask people to pray for me because I was struggling.
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It was as if like someone was to stick their finger right, like if you stick your finger right above your eye and just kind of push in, that's kind of what it was feeling like.
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And I was struggling. And so I felt like I was struggling through the message. Like apparently it went good.
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Everyone said it was good, but I felt like I was just dropping the ball in the pool pit. And for the most part, it was just because my head was hurting.
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Like I'd look down to look at my notes. I could see two or three words and I'd have to try to remember everything else
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I said about it. Like, yeah, it was a struggle. But other than that, the fellowship was good.
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We had probably seven or eight members out, but we had some visiting families and it was a packed house.
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So it was good. Good deal. Yeah, it was good. God is faithful. Yeah. And one of the guys that was visiting, he brought his whole family.
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I mean, it was a big, large family. I think him, his wife, and like four or five, six kids, man, it was big.
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And it was older kids. And as he was leaving, he let me know that he was blessed, he was convicted, and he prays that the
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Lord will just grow our church in such a way that it busts us from the seams.
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Amen. So I took encouragement in that. It was good, man.
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And I've preached three verses, John chapter 12, verses 9, 10, and 11.
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So next week will be on the triumphant entrance. So excited about that.
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Yeah. Nice. That will be good. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So today we're talking about what?
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Anabaptist? Are we talking about Anabaptist or are we talking about Jason Breda?
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I think they're one and the same. I think they're one and the same. You know, I've never seen them both in the same room together.
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Yeah. So I guess we didn't know that he was Anabaptist when you actually even debated him, right?
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Well, I did, but I didn't know exactly. I didn't know every, which
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I still don't know every detail that Anabaptists believe because there's several different works out there.
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And for the last few weeks, I've been messaging him and sending him videos, asking questions about what it is that he believes about certain things.
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And I just don't think he even knew at the time. And so he just recently sent me some links to what it is that Anabaptists teach.
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And I can say this, unlike Reformed Baptist or Presbyterian, the answer was just all over the board.
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So with everything that I saw concerning, I mean, they were similar, but it was different at the same time.
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You know what I'm saying? Well, so let me ask you. Yeah, go ahead. So is Leighton Flowers, is he
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Anabaptist? No, Leighton Flowers is actually Southern Baptist, which I would really like to take
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Leighton Flowers through the Baptist Faith and Message Article 4 on regeneration, see if he agrees with that.
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So they, but they team up together for some reason to attack Calvinists. Yeah, so that's something else.
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So you got this anti -Calvinist crew that's out there, right?
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And whenever you, and they're all going against Calvinism, they link up together and they have, you know, they do videos together that go against Calvinism.
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However, each one of them, as far as I know, each one of them, there might be a couple of them that host to the same theological view, but each one of them, as far as I can tell, have a different theological view.
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And if you were to talk about any other subject outside of Calvinism, they probably would fight each other.
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So they don't even agree with each other is what you're saying, right? Well, then one thing they do agree about is that they don't like Calvinism is wrong.
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Yeah, because, you know, like for those of you that heard the debate and these two gentlemen can attest to it, that I did not debate
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Leighton Flowers. I debated Jason Brita, but I debated Leighton Flowers because, you know, all he did was regurgitate everything that Leighton would have said.
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I mean, to study for the debate, all I did was listen to Leighton Flowers. And let me tell you, there's only so much you can handle.
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I was going crazy. Now my YouTube feed is full of Leighton Flowers. I do love you, man, but come on now.
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Yeah. So yeah, that's, you know, and I really would like,
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I would really like to throw a match as they're all gathering together, kind of like a match in the rubble and catch it all on fire, like bring up a question.
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Okay, well, you're talking about this, but what about this? Because like some of the guys that are a part of it are
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Greek Orthodox. Like one of the main guys that's anti -Calvinist that's with them is a
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Greek Orthodox. Hmm. That's interesting.
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It's almost like they would disagree on essential areas of the faith. So essentially saying,
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I don't have any fellowship with you, but yet I'll have fellowship with you over attacking
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Calvinism. Right. Man, that's not good. So one of the things that I was puzzled by is because when they were talking about the
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Leighton Flowers or the Leightonists, the Providence graphic that you had had, and they were talking about eternal security,
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Leighton Flowers would hold to eternal security, which Calvinists would, but Brayden would not.
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Yeah. So Jason Breda, that's what he said. Jason Breda would not. It sounded like you said Brayden would not.
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He did say Brayden. He did say Brayden. Jason Brayden. Tom, don't you be putting that even. Did I do that? Oh, yeah.
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You said me. I was like, wait, wait a second. No, no, I definitely believe it. So Brayden does.
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So yeah. So Jason Breda, Breda, Breda. Breda. I don't know. I don't even know now, right?
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Jason. Jason, you don't believe in eternal security. Breda. Okay. Breda, like with the cockatoo.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he told me that he holds to everything that Provide had, except for the eternal security.
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And I was like, what? And then that's what made me start looking into Anabaptists.
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And, and, and again, my, I've, I've listened to enough Anabaptists to last a lifetime. But what's funny is today at our church, we had a guy who came and visit who isn't, who is a reformer
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Baptist, but he came out of the Anabaptist movement. And he even said that it's heretical.
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Yep. Yeah. And so if you ever. In terms of, how they believe people are saved.
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Yeah. Yeah. Correct. And like the roots run deep. So you have like what seems to be this modern
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Anabaptist movement, but, but if you know anything about Quakers, the Amish, the brethren, they're all
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Anabaptists. Like, like you start chasing the, the roots that hook to this tree trunk.
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It's crazy. Yeah. But the main thing that I want us to do today, if y 'all, so, so I know
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I sent y 'all some, we have some video and Brayden has some, some, some timestamp parts in it.
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And then I also sent a, a picture of, of that statement concerning salvation from the statement he sent me.
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So, so it's basically like the statement of belief. And I took a screenshot of it. I sent it to the group.
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And so if y 'all want to put that up first, or if you want to go through one of the time mark videos, either way,
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I'm fine. So I think it'd be wise to put up this first, just to show people what we are talking about when it comes to this.
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And it presents share screen, share screen, window, bam.
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Is that, yep. Go ahead and pull that up, Jeff. Let me get a chance. So this is the screenshot that Jeff sent me.
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I also have it on their website that we could scroll through too, but this is the specific section that we are wanting to talk about is on salvation right here.
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I think it'd probably be wise to read the entire statement so that then it's not been taken out of context from their own confession.
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But this comes right from the website that Brett has sent to you, right? Yep. Yeah.
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This is what Brett himself sent to me. So let's everybody watching this tonight, put on your, your thinking glasses, put on your exegetical tennis shoes and let's work our way through this.
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Yeah. Because here's the thing, if you're just rating this and you are not paying attention or, you know, you have, you don't really have a real good grasp of it, have a theological background.
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You couldn't over look at this. I know when I read it the first time I didn't quite see it, but I knew something didn't sound right.
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But when I read through it the second time, I was like, all right.
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So it says in here, salvation is a free gift of God's grace based on the work of Jesus Christ.
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So far, so good. Yep. The shedding of his blood on the cross, on the cross, his resurrection and present intercessory ministry, intercessory ministry, and the ministry of the
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Holy spirit. Those who receive God's gift of salvation by faith become children of God, justified in their relationship to God, sanctified in their walk and work, and, and secure in an ongoing faith expressed and fostered by obedience to Christ.
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We'll come back to that. Justification is extended to all people in regard to the endemic guilt and by personal repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and his provision in regard to personal guilt.
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Now concerning the debate that we have, it didn't seem like he even acknowledged endemic guilt.
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Right. Yeah. You recall that? Like, it didn't seem like what happened with Adam.
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He was making it sound like a personal action of sin is what made you guilty, that you chose to sin instead of being guilty by association of Adam's guilt, sin by nature.
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He did not believe that we were guilty by nature, that we born and we chose to sin.
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Yeah. We're guilty by our sin only, right? Not by the fall of Adam. In other words, we didn't inherit
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Adam's sin is what he... Correct. We're not by nature, children of Adam.
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Right. Yeah. All right. So, so if you go... He even disagrees with this. Right.
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Yeah. I mean... Part of it. Yeah. I don't know. So yeah, he would have to, or maybe he would, maybe he would just say he misspoke.
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I'm not sure, but that's what happens if you're just regurgitating from a Southern Baptist who doesn't even,
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I believe doesn't even hold to his own confession, the Baptist faith and message. I mean, as vague as it is sometimes in some places, it has, it's one of the most essential views of, when it comes to the central views of Christianity, like it's really a good document.
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I mean, there's some spots in it where I would have said different, but I think it's a really good document.
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Yeah, we can agree with that. And I would say that about my own, I would say that about the 1689 as well, right?
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I think 1689 is the greatest document ever written, and it's in a short systematic form of theology, but there's things in it that I would have said different.
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All right. So if you just look right here after the Holy Spirit, so in the second section, it says, to those who receive
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God's gift of salvation by faith. So we receive this gift of salvation by faith, become children of God, justified in their relationship to God, and right here's where it starts to get, well,
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I have a problem with that a little bit too, but right here's where it gets rocky. Sanctified in their work.
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Walk in work. Sanctified, so a person is sanctified by their own walk and work and secure in their ongoing faith expressed and fostered by obedience to Christ.
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We are not secure because of Christ. We are secure because of obedience.
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What we do. That's right. This is what you call patch your back theology, right?
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The bootstrap theology. That's what this is right here, ladies and gentlemen. Exactly, yeah. This is pietism at its finest.
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Absolutely. So it sounds like here, according to this, is that it's really dependent on me to keep my salvation to be right.
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Well, it's up to you to get yourself saved. Yeah. Because you have you in and of yourself have to believe you have to conjure up this faith so you can be born again to have an everlasting life that isn't everlasting because you can lose it if you're not walking out your faith and work like walking in.
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So how does it put it? You're justified in your relationship to God, sanctified in their walk and work and ongoing faith.
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Right. So I wonder what their definition of justification is, because I've always been told, always been taught, you guys correct me if I'm wrong, that justification is the point when
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God, I'm sure you will, Jason, that justification is at a point in time when
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God actually declares a person righteous, a legal declaration, you are righteous based on Christ's person work and his sacrifice and his atoning work on the cross and his resurrection.
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Yeah. That's when a person is made right with God. Right. So God, we are justified by faith.
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God did that. We didn't do that. God did that. God declares this righteous, correct? Yep. Right.
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Right. Okay. Yeah. In fact, this is hitting very hard at home for myself because I'm currently preaching through the book of Galatians, which is dealing with justification by faith alone in Christ alone.
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Like it's dealing directly and opposing those that are saying either you're initially saved by works like circumcision or obedience to Moses, or you are maintained in salvation through your obedience like circumcision or the law of Moses.
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And so it is truly this Anabaptist. And I, I think we're going to see it here, especially in a moment.
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This is modern day Judaizers and Galatians, Galatians three, one, oh, foolish
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Anabaptists. Oh, foolish Galatians who bewitched you before whose eyes
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Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Listen, they, they have the same 66 books of the
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Bible. They, they have it in their confession that they list out, uh, that they, they believe in God's word and who has bewitched you to fall into such foolishness.
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Right. Yeah. They're preaching a different gospel. Right. It is a thousand percent.
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This right here will condemn you to hell. This will, this will condemn you to hell. It's workspace salvation.
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Yep. Yeah, absolutely. So I want to read first Corinthians chapter one, verse 30, verse 30 says this because of him, you are in Christ Jesus who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption.
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So that as it is written, let the one who boasts, boast in the
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Lord. Right. That right there goes against everything that's written in this portion where it explains
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Anabaptist salvation because of him. Galatians three, two, just right after the verse that I just read, this is the only thing
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I want to learn from you. Did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith?
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Are you so foolish? Having you got, having begun by the spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
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This is, this is a thousand percent of modern Judaizer package that we see here. Like I'm not even, listen,
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I, so I love, I love Jason Brita. Right. I love him as a man, as a person.
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He's very kind and all that. And I said that night that I, you know,
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I would receive Jason Brita as a brother. I'm, I'm not so sure now after studying this theology that I, that I can with confidence receive
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Jason as a brother in Christ. These are essential, essential doctrines that we're talking about right now.
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This is scary stuff because Jason Brita has a YouTube channel called living
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Christian where he's talking about how Christians are to live. And guess what? He is, he is demonstrating by holding to this confession.
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He is teaching Christians to, this is so scary. That's not, are we being perfected by the flesh?
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Are we being perfected by the works of the law? No, no, we are not. Hebrews 13 verse seven or verse nine.
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I mentioned it today in my, in my sermon. See to it that you are not swayed by varied and strange teachings.
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This is contrary to the gospel and this will destroy individuals that hold to this.
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It is scary and it's being, it's sad that it's being taught. It's sad that it's being held to.
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Yeah, it's awful. Like I said, whenever he mentioned like, you know, as we were in this debate and let me answer
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Alex real quick. Alex, I will send the, I'll post the link to the debate in the comments, or if you message me,
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I'll send you the link to the debate. Yeah, you just keep on worrying about your stuff. I'll get it sent to him right now.
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All right. Okay. I appreciate it. Yeah. So whenever, whenever I was doing the debate with him and, you know, there were certain questions that I would ask and it would lead me to believe that, you know, like I heard him, you know, he was basically regurgitating latent flowers, but I also, every once in a while,
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I would, he would say something or I would see something in the way that he was arguing that he was much different from latent flowers.
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And then when he admitted to not holding to eternal security, I knew that I had to, to, to, to dive into what it is that Anabaptists believe.
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And, and to my shock, I mean, you can ask these guys and I kind of touched on it a little bit that I was shocked about what
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I was finding out. But as I was sending these guys links to certain messages or like a link to what a statement of faith of what he believes, like we were like, whoa, like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's much worse than we imagined it would be.
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So latent flowers would hold to, we are saved. We are saved through by, by faith alone in Christ No.
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He would not. We're, do we want to get into the video right now?
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I'm saying Layton, not Jason. I thought you said Jason, my fault. I don't know about Layton. I take that back.
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So Layton and his soteriology, right? He, I mean, again, I would like to question him if I had the opportunity concerning, concerning article four of the, of the, so of the
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Baptist faith and message dealing with regeneration to see if he would hold to what that states about regeneration.
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Like, I just don't believe he holds to his own confession fully. And, and, you know, that's fine or whatever, because like the way that he kind of lays it out when it comes to it, that every man has, it's not that he's responsible, but he's response able is how he would explain it.
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Right. Meaning that every man has the ability to respond to God.
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Right. And the substance of his faith, he would affirm that it is in Christ alone for eternal life.
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The person work of Christ alone. Yes. Jason would not. And that's what makes Layton flowers.
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That's why I was still consider at this moment, Layton flowers to be Absolutely.
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Even though I think he's got, you know, right. He's got some issues going on with his theology.
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How that carries out would where would be where we would differ, but we would still call him a brother.
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Yeah. Now what really makes me irritable with Layton flowers is that he doesn't believe that when a person is regenerated, whenever they're, you know, whenever they're born again, that that is a, an active work of God.
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So he would say that the active work of God was Christ living the life, dying the death, being buried rose again, that that was the word that was the provision, but we have the ability in and of ourself to respond.
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Right. And so, because we have the ability to respond, it's not a miracle.
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It's not a, you see what I'm saying? And so that bothers me with light.
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Right. Agree. Yeah. And I'm going to pull up this, are you ready for this video? One second.
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I was going to say too, this is something that I, you know, I'm, I've seen several times in the book of Galatians that it's just a blessing of you preaching through it so far.
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So, um, the Judaizers were able to influence people because it speaks right towards our flesh and our desire to want to justify ourselves before God.
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And so it convinces believers into saying, oh, you know, yeah, I am active. I am participating in my salvation in regards to obtaining through what
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I'm doing outside of just Christ alone. And that's exactly. So I, it looks like, um,
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I don't know exactly where this is from, but it, I think it's an Anabaptist website. It says Anabaptist reject the
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Lutheran doctrine of salvation by grace alone and insist that the believers inward faith must be authenticated and supplemented by outward actions.
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Believers must bear the cross of discipleship, thus participating in the process of becoming reconciled with God and creation.
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So they, they deny grace alone. This is right.
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This is outside of essentials. This is outside of, of, of. I'm not sure if they could hold to any one of the solace.
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No, I wouldn't think so at all. It's essentially that they, they got rid of the Pope. Right.
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And they're saying what, but we still agree with all their principles of, of that it's Christ faith and grace, but it's not those things alone.
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Right. So yeah, it's, it's heresy. Just plain good.
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Like it's, it's beyond anything I thought it was in that video that you're getting ready to play.
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He, he says some pretty wild stuff. Yeah. So yeah, let's, you can pull that up now,
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Jeff, if you want. So this isn't just us talking about this. This is, this is according to what they believe.
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So let's look at this. Yeah. I mean, just in the first few seconds of the video, it kind of like punches you right in the face.
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If you hold to the solace. Right. I wanted to see if I could do this without and he flat out denies what
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Luther says. Correct. Yeah. All right. I'm hitting play. Well, I can't hear it.
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Oh, you can't. No, no. Ooh, give me a second then. I'm going to hit stop screen -sharing and try this again.
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Present. We got an audience. We're going guys. This is not my fault.
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Don't you even, I'm not the kind of guy that would throw someone under the bus. Y 'all know me, right? You know me, but you know, try that now.
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Let's see if this now works. Georgia. Yeah, you're right. Fostered by obedience is the problem. Not in Christ alone. Is that sound for, you know, no,
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I don't hear anything. Oh man. Wait, wait, go back over your, your volume there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Now click it all the way up. Yeah, no, it's all the way up here.
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Let me, let me do this again. Doing it again. Are you able to hear it? Yes.
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Also share. I mean, I got tinnitus. I can't hear it.
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I mean, I hear a loud ring, but I can't hear anything. Okay. Do that now. Ready?
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Is that it? Yeah. Okay. I just want to pause here and let you guys know, this is what, this is not a reformed beard.
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Don't be deceived. If you see this on the streets. That's a gay beard. Yeah. This guy is
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Anabaptist. He teaches Anabaptist doctrine, correct? You see this? Yes. You see this?
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This is a Mennonite, a Quaker or an Anabaptist beard. Don't, don't, don't trust the theology coming from this beard.
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That looks like a toupee beard. It kind of looks like the right response's beard.
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Did you guys ever see Rudy? It does, huh? You know Rudy? The Rudy, Rudy, the little football player.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks like that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it looks like he, like he should have hair right here, but he's balding right here.
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And it's just happens to be his face. Like this is the don't, it's so weird. Yes. If your theology is wrong, we will make fun of you.
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Yes. Yeah. And if your theology is right, we'll make fun of you too. Yeah. We're equal opportunists when it comes to making fun of folks.
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There's no distinction between Jew or Gentile when it comes to the gospel. Also with jokes, there's no distinction.
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Yeah. We don't care if you're a Reformed Baptist, Presbyterian, or one of those Dispies. You get made fun of.
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Okay. We don't play. Wait, Melissa's here. I just saw her. Hey Melissa. Dispies, you silly
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Dispies. We love you. We're going to make fun of our audience. We'll make fun of all y 'all.
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All right, you guys ready? Yeah, let's roll. Okay. Okay. Salvation is not about getting a ticket to heaven.
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Many of our Reformed theology friends work as if this is what it is.
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You get saved. You have an experience of getting saved and praise God you're in, but the
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New Testament does not teach that. Many of our people have bought that idea. I had that idea whenever I came, but I had to unlearn that idea because that's not what the
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New Testament teaches. Salvation is about a real Savior.
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Savior from sin. He's also a living Lord who is in at the work of delivering human beings from the power of sin.
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That's what salvation is. Stop. You're saying. Okay. What did he leave out?
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What did he leave out? So salvation is delivering us from the power of sin. What did he leave out?
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He left out being saved from the wrath of God. About being saved from the penalty of sin. That's right.
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We are saved from the penalty of sin. We are guilty before holy God. That is what our standard is.
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That is our standing before holy God and that we must be punished. Salvation is number one, being saved from the penalty of sin, but he skips over the penalty of sin and goes right to the power of sin, which
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I would agree, but that's just one aspect of it. Hey, can we real quick talk about...
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We're not done yet. Do you want me to keep on hitting play for a moment or what are we doing? Oh, hey,
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Jason. What's up, man? So we'll answer Jason in a minute. We'll get back to that, Jason. It's not this.
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I get a ticket to heaven. There's a once and done type salvation experience. It's a redemptive process.
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Is that it? Exactly. It begins. It has a beginning moment or moments, but then it's a process of continuing to cooperate with the
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Holy Spirit as he sanctifies our lives. That's what we mean by the living Lord delivering us from the power of sin, and nobody ever gets completely sanctified before the end.
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So we were saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.
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There's salvation as a trinity. We'll look more at that as we go along. The essence of this whole thing is that the power of sin is to be broken.
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Now, our reform friends think that that is too ideal because they don't believe that the power of sin can really be broken.
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And we believe that the scriptures teach that it must be. There's a lot there. Yeah, there's just a lot there.
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Like I'm over here writing stuff down. I can't even keep up. First of all, it's not a trinity.
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All right. Being saved to be saved is not a trinity.
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There's nothing outside of the Godhead that is trinity. There's nothing that is one and three.
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All right. He's trying to explain it in the way that they are. When you're being saved, that is to be justified.
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Being saved is you being sanctified. To be saved is you being glorified.
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Those who are saved are being saved and will be saved. Meaning those who are justified will be sanctified and will be conformed to the image of Christ, which is glorification.
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Right. Let's not get this confused. It's not one thing with three different aspects to it.
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There's nothing Trinitarian about it. All right.
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You would say, we would say that when we are saved, we are saved from past sins, present sins, and future sins.
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But are we not? Yeah. We are saved from... Yeah. That includes what you was talking about earlier, the penalty of sin.
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If we are not saved in the moment of justification of the penalty of sin, every one of us are in deep doo -doo.
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Right. Regeneration is given by faith. We're right with God. God declares us right.
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Jason, that's monogeristic. I would agree with you 100%. That regeneration is all of God.
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No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. He said that. We'll get to that. He says that. I know. I know. But he doesn't really say that.
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He doesn't. Yeah. I know. If you go to our debate, he denies that.
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Right. Yeah. I love you, Jason, but I'm stumped. I got problems.
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He's inconsistent, man. Do you want me to keep on playing from here and go to my next time marker to look at something else?
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I mean, if you have something else that you want to say about this, I just, man, that whole being saved, to be saved,
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Trinitarian. Listen, this is reading things that are not biblical back into the
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Bible. You can look at a lot of things in the world and be like, Oh yeah, this is a great analogy for how this works. I mean, listen, if this guy, he uses several examples like this.
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Well, this is the example that we see in marriage, that it works out this way. And it's this. And he talks about triangles. It's absurd at the end of the day, in a lot of ways that he's approaching this and using things around us to try to explain how
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God works within us. I just don't believe that people should be using Christian words when they're trying to explain something that's not
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Christian. That's right. So we also need to, I want to stress the point on the whole justification thing.
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I'm going to go to Romans chapter five and starting at verse eight, it says, but God demonstrates his own love towards us in that while we were yet sinners,
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Christ died for us. This is justification y 'all, much more than having been justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through him.
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For if while we were enemies and reconciled to God through the death of his son, much more having been reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Justification accomplishes that. In justification, we are declared righteous. God does that.
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If God does that, we cannot lose it. We play no part in it.
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God declares something. Does he repent? Does he change his mind if you aren't faithful enough?
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No. So there's nothing about this whole sanctification thing that I need to be able to keep from being saved.
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And I know that's going too far, but going too far. But also here's the thing.
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So Jason would have an issue here with Romans. He has this view that, if I'm not mistaken,
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Jason, please correct me. I think it's chapters 9 through 11. Yeah. So maybe after 11, then the
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Gentiles are brought in. Right. But this right here, if I'm not mistaken, is only speaking about the
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Jews. Like you're talking about dispensationalism in one book, right?
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I mean, he's not dividing, rightly dividing the Bible as the the mid -acts dispensationalists would say.
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He is trying to rightly divide the book of Romans, and it's not right.
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It's not correct. I would love to debate on that issue as well. How about Romans 8 .1?
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No condemnation for those who are in Christ. How about Hebrews 10 .14? By the one sacrifice, he made perfect forever.
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I know. Punishment for sin. How about Ephesians 1 .7? The forgiveness of sins according to the riches of God's grace.
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Or how about the verse that I just read earlier? And because of him, God, you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that as it is written, let the one who boasts, boast in the
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Lord. Right. So I would say that not only is justification monergistic,
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I would say that sanctification is monergistic. We actively in our life, in the same way as I would argue in justification,
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I experience believing and repenting. But when I read the scriptures, I understand why it is that I believe, and why it is that I've repented because these things were gifts given to me or granted to me by the power of God and regeneration.
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And so also in my sanctification, scriptures tell me to work out my sanctification with fear and trembling.
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But to know this, it is God, the one who is doing the work. How is he doing the work? Ezekiel 36, verse 27.
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The Holy Spirit that is now in me is causing me to keep
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God's ordinances. Right. I have been crucified with Christ.
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It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh,
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I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself up for me. Yeah. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Let's read verse 21 too.
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I do not know, set aside the, or some translations, I do not nullify the grace of God. For if righteousness comes through the law, then
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Christ died needlessly. If we're saying that our sanctification is a process of us seeking righteous living as a process of our salvation,
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Christ died needlessly. That's right. Period. So really, so sanctification, two things.
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Positionally, when a person is justified, we are, our position is changed. We go from darkness to light, right?
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Our position is completely changed. We are no longer children of wrath. We've been made alive unto
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Christ. That's our position. We are created in Christ Jesus for the purpose of doing good works.
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We are new men, new creatures in Christ. So that's now our position. So we are positionally sanctified.
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Sanctified. And then also in progressive sanctification, it's
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God that makes us righteous. It's God that makes us righteous. We don't make ourselves righteous.
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God does that work in us. And it's not by our obedience. It's already done in Christ.
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The active and passive obedience of Jesus Christ, without which there is no gospel.
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That's right. Without which there is no gospel. Ephesians 2, obviously we know 8 and 9, but verse 10,
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For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
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This is all God's doing. Anything good, any thought, action, or deed of mine that I have done, it is because Christ was working in me.
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The rest that is evil, sinful, and vile is all my responsibility. Yep. I'm telling you, this is patch yourself on the back theology.
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Right. It is bootstrap theology. It's pietism at best.
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At best, yep. Listen again to what the confession that we read earlier says. It says that justified in the relationship to God, sanctified in their walk and work, and secure in an ongoing faith expressed and fostered by obedience to Christ.
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It's, this is, this is, this is Harrison. It's Judaism. It's Judaism.
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Yeah, it's a, it's a different gospel, Jason. You're a part of a church that preaches a different gospel.
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And you got to shave your mustache and get this sweet type of face. Well, the guy, the other guy has a mustache.
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Yeah, he shaved it after this video though, where I'd like to think he did.
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Sorry. I was just trying to get to the next part here. I was just going to go John 6, 37 to 39.
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And it says, all that the father gives me comes to me. And, and the one who comes to me, I will by no means cast out.
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For I have come down from heaven. Do not, not on my own will, but not the will of the world. The one who sent me, if I made any sense there.
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My dyslexia is messing up too. So, but yeah, I mean, when we come to Christ, he's not going to cast us out.
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This is what he said. He's coming to me. Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, my dear Tom, listen, listen, son.
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Hey, that's Jesus. And he's only speaking to the Jews. Listen, this is what
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I'm dealing with when it comes to this, the Kevin guy that you remember the
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Kevin who was trying to do live stream at our conference. And I had to tell him to shut it down.
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Right. Then he goes and runs his mouth. Yes. Like, like, this is what he does, right?
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He just wants to point out who it is that, listen, we know that Jesus is addressing the Jews. Right. Absolutely.
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But he's, but, but, but, but in the same way, we, he's addressing us as well.
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Of course he is. Yeah. But, but they will only, so this is what hyper -dispensationalists do.
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So a hyper -dispensationalist would be a, what's called a mid -acts only. So they only listen to the words of Paul.
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All right. Now I'm not saying that Jason is a mid -acts, but he's doing, he's falling in the same things that mid -acts theologians do, you know.
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Well, Jesus said that, that, that this Pharisee was a child of the devil.
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So therefore not everybody are children, are born children of the devil. Like it's, it's like, it's that kind of attitude.
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And I'm not saying like just on that one point, cause he might not agree with that. However, that's what's being done here.
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I just, my mind is, is going to so many places right now.
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So he just, he just wrote, I don't pat myself on the back or believe it, theology.
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I trust in the, yeah, thank you. I trust in the finished work of Christ. Thank you. I do too.
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We love him because he first loved us. Absolutely. He calls us to walk in obedience. Absolutely.
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But not to keep our salvation, Jason. We cannot keep it. He's already declared you righteous.
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If you are in Christ, God has changed you. You are a new man. And I would also say,
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Jason, if that's what you believe, then you don't believe Anabaptist theology. That's right. You need to repent because you a
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Southern Baptist church. If you want to be a
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Baptist, you need to find you and you don't want to be a Calvinist, then find a Southern Baptist church.
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These Anabaptists are heretics. That statement of faith you sent me concerning salvation.
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It's heretical. Right. And as a matter of fact, here's one of the statements that it says here, and I don't know if you found it yet on the video, but this guy right here with the fake beard, it says
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God is trying to redeem humanity after the fall, and he is not going to do it without human beings cooperating.
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It's right here, I believe. You want me to play? Yes, please. Of Anabaptism. So this is humility on God's part.
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God has chosen to limit himself to human cooperation. He made a cosmos.
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He's so sovereign. He's chosen to humiliate himself. Humble himself.
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Is it that Christ first, God first loved us and therefore we love him, or is it we love
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God and then he responds? Well, he's offered a provision is what they believe. He's provided a provision and it's just on you,
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Braden. Look, I want to pause this video so many times as we play this, but we got to play this out just real fast to listen to this.
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He made animals. He made them to do exactly what he tells them to do.
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Dogs just do what dogs are created to do. The birds just do what birds are created to do. But humans had a choice and God humbled himself to say,
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I will work in them as they cooperate with me. So the provisions are for man are available.
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The atonement, all the work that Christ did coming down from heaven, giving himself as a sacrifice, as an atonement for sin.
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That's what. Oh, it's loading. I don't know why it's doing that. But God could do.
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We could not. But what God will not do is make human decisions for us.
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He waits. He's like, he's such a gentleman. He stands back and waits. He woos us by his spirit until we are ready to cooperate with him.
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And then wonderful things happen. It does ultimately come back to a choice then on our part to accept this.
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So back to you were saying, getting away from this language of, oh, I've been saved.
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Now everything's all great. I have my ticket to heaven. That's not necessarily the case, but there is very much a point in everyone's life where they do have to choose this basically.
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When it comes to the salvation trinity. This is heresy.
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It is heresy. God is such a gentleman that he made
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Nebuchadnezzar go and eat like a cow in the beast of the field. God is such a gentleman that when
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Joseph was sold into slavery, God actually meant that for good. God is such a gentleman that he prepared before the foundations of the world,
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Pontius Pilate, Herod, and all the peoples who's out, crucify, crucify our Lord and Savior.
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God is such a gentleman, brothers and sisters. No, the only time God humbled himself is in Philippians 2, when he, who in the form of God did not regard equality with God, a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of bond servant, being made under the law, being put to death, even death upon a cross.
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That's the time when God humbled himself. And guess what? He saved a people when he did that.
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Amen. That's right. Without being a gentleman to him. Second Thessalonians 1 .8,
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executing vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of the
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Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction. Guys, the gospel is a command.
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He's not just laying it out there, hoping that you will come to make a decision. It is a command to come.
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He's not being a gentleman. He's commanding you to come. And when we go out there and preach the gospel, the command every man everywhere to repent of their sins, turn away from the sins that God hates, turn towards Christ and follow them.
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The only way that happens is through the power of the Holy Spirit, through the preaching of the gospel, quickening that person, making him able to come.
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You're dead in your sins, Jason, before that. You don't participate in any of it. In any of it, all you contribute is your sin.
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That's it. Also, you know, like Jason believes, and he told me this, right?
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Like he doesn't believe in eternal security. At least he's consistent with his theology.
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I know, but check this out. So John 3 .16, and there's a whole bunch of verses, right?
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That concerns everlasting life. Let's just use, you know, like, you know, if whoever believes in Christ has, that's present tense, everlasting life.
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But yet, according to that statement of faith, right? If you're not walking it out, right?
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In obedience, you lose everlasting life. You cannot lose something that is everlasting.
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If it's everlasting, that means it's going to be at that moment and always forever in eternity.
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And so what he has to do is, is he has to go back and not say the words, everlasting life.
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Hold on, what is he saying? Just to say, I let Jeff know, I would not word things as this guy does.
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He absolutely did. However, Jason, you sent me that statement of faith.
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Yeah. And this guy is reiterating what that statement of faith said.
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I don't know if you saw it at first. Brayden, pull back up that statement of faith. Can you do that real quick?
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Concerning salvation. Me do something? Oh yeah, dude, I got you. Just give me a second.
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You know, I'm in tape. And so this is what I'm talking about concerning everlasting life. I'm getting this from that statement you sent me,
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Jason, concerning salvation. And so if you believe that someone can have everlasting life by believing in Jesus, that means they cannot lose it.
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That's right. Everlasting life is not a pair of car keys. That's right, yeah. Did you find it?
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All right, so yeah. So now that... I won't be able to see you guys for just a moment. Okay. This is it.
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Just give me a second. I got to find it here. Okay. So this is the document. This comes off the website.
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Rosedale Network of Churches, a global family of Anabaptists. This is salvation.
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Where is that? There it is. I want to agree with Jeremy real quick.
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If it's not eternal, it's not salvation. Let me put that up here real quick. That deserves screen time.
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Amen. Just leave it up there. Yeah, that's good stuff.
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Salvation, it says, those who receive God's gift of salvation by faith, become children of God, justified in the relationship to God, sanctified in their walk and work, and secure in an ongoing faith, expressed and fostered by obedience to Christ.
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Yes, Jason. Notice right here where it says, those who receive God's gift of salvation.
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Salvation is everlasting. That's what the scriptures teach. We receive it by faith. Absolutely.
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Become children of God. Now, I would just argue that this is the human view of it, that there is a scriptural view of it from eternity.
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And that's what you and I debated on. All right. And then it says, children of God, they are justified in their relationship to God.
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Now, right here, sanctified in their walk and work, and secured in an ongoing faith, expressed and fostered by obedience to Christ.
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Right. Can I, okay, real quick on that justified thing. We have to nail this down,
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Jason. Listen, if you're justified, God declares you righteous. 2 Corinthians 5 says, therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he's a new creation.
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The old things have passed away. Behold, new things have come. So when this happens, your position has changed.
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When God declares a person righteous, you can't do anything. In other words, if you are truly saved, you didn't participate in it.
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God did it. You can't lose it. So it's not dependent upon you to live out a life and of obedience to be able to hold it.
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Yes, we're required to live a holy life, pleasing unto Christ. But God will produce that in you.
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If you were a Christian, you will be moved to follow Christ.
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You will have different affections. Everything has been made new. And that's Christ working in us.
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That's the Holy Spirit indwelling us. That's part of being the new creation in God. Look, anytime...
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Let me just be so clear. Anytime I see James 2, verse 14 through 26,
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I get really worried about what people are trying to tie it to. And look at what section this is in.
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Salvation. James 2, 14 through 26. This is the
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LDS go -to verse to teach that they are saved by faith and works.
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Isn't that just a little scary that the Anabaptists are wording things almost identically to the
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LDS doctrine of what the gospel is, what salvation is according to their own website.
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Anabaptists, it's almost word... Listen, it's almost word for word, very, very similar in several ways.
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And they utilize James 2, 14 through 26, which that text is not talking about justification between God and man.
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It quotes from Romans 4 or it quotes from Genesis 17 and 15 or Genesis 15, excuse me.
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It quotes from Genesis 15, which so does Romans. And Romans 4 says that we are not justified by the works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ.
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Listen, when we look at James 2, it's giving us an example of what an ongoing justification will look like to other people to justify ourselves before other men.
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When Abraham circumcised himself, it showed that he was trusting in God through the whole thing. It's not what saved him.
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It demonstrated that he was saved to others. Same thing with the sacrificing his son, so on and so forth.
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That is what that chapter is talking about. And it scares me when anybody says salvation. And then underneath that, it gives us a reference to James chapter two.
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Right, so in Romans chapter five, it says, therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through the
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Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have obtained our introduction. Another translation says our access into this grace in which we stand and we boast in the hope of His glory.
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So this is talking about the means of salvation in Romans chapter five, but in James chapter two, it's talking about the product of salvation.
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That one's the means of the very means of salvation through faith, we are justified through faith.
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But in James chapter two, it's talking about once you've been justified, here's the proof, it will produce good works.
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So it's not on us to do that. If you are in Christ, you will be
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His, you were created in Christ Jesus for good works, right? And that you should walk in them. You will produce good works.
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Yeah, if you're a Christian, you will produce good works, plain and simple, right? If you're an apple tree, you will produce apples.
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So Romans four. You will accomplish the purpose of what it is. Romans four, this is a very important text regarding justification.
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Verse one, not what then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, according to the flesh has found.
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For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
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For what does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
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Now to the one who works, his wage is not counted according to grace, but what is due.
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But to the one who does not work, but believes upon him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
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Just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works.
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Justification is not the ongoing act of sanctification. If it was, this completely contradicts
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Romans four. And if there's anyone that would have lost their righteousness being credited to them, it would have been
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Abraham. That's right. The man of faith, who immediately afterwards treats his wife as a prostitute.
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So the other guy on the video, a fake beard says...
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It's gay beard. Don't get it right, okay? He says salvation of being justified basically is not a once and done deal, but it's a redemptive process.
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That our redemption is a process. That it's not necessarily once and done, but that's what we're arguing.
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Yes, it is done. It was done before the foundation of the world. It's done.
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Jesus said it was finished. And so yes, if you've been declared righteous by a holy
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God, it's done. It's a done deal. Now in real time, what does that say?
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Yeah. In real time, it's not done because we are still being sanctified. We are still being made like Christ.
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And one day we'll be redeemed from the very presence of sin. But it's a done deal.
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If you are in Christ, it's done. It's finished. The sacrifice has been made. That's solo script tour guy.
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He's my kind of troublemaker. I got beer.
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Mine's even a little bit greater than his. Hey, let me play this part real fast on the video.
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Give me grace. So I went back 10 seconds. We were at 9 .20. We're now at 9 .10. Just listen to kind of what plays out here.
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That's not necessarily the case, but there is very much a point in everyone's life where they do have to choose this, basically.
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When it comes to the Salvation Trinity, we have three words, justification, sanctification, and glorification.
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Okay, so Martin Luther got this justification right by understanding that men are saved by faith.
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We would differ with him when he says by faith alone. It's by grace, for sure.
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And it's by faith. And that's where we say, give, have the quote, I was saved.
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That's the justification part. So that would roughly correlate to this idea of conversion experience or getting saved at some point, like the process would say.
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But the sanctification part is the continual work, cooperation with Christ, with the
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Holy Spirit after that point. That's a lifetime of being sanctified or being set apart for God.
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Nobody gets completely sanctified in this life. It's like there's always, he's still working on me.
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I think he's working in you, isn't he, James? Yeah. Well, he's still working in me too. I'm 69 and he's still working with me.
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And that's a wonderful thing. I get a chance to recognize error and to repent.
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Oh, how I wish you would. So you know what discernment is? Discernment isn't the ability to tell the difference between right and wrong.
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It's the ability to tell the difference between right and almost right. Because there's a lot, there's half truce in there in what he says and he mixes it in there.
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So yes, can we grieve the Holy Spirit as Christians? Yes, we can. Is it a process of sanctification making us like Christ?
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Yes, it is. But he's being dependent on himself. He's not trusting in the finished work of Christ alone, which is what you said you were trusting in,
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Jason. Are you dependent upon your own works to keep you saved?
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Is your works needed for your salvation in the end? If you weren't doing godly works right now, would you be saved through Christ?
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I don't, okay. So, okay. So that's, I mean, thank you for not.
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Good. Yeah. That's what I'm saying, like Jason. I would reject your statement, Seth. Yeah, yeah.
01:05:58
I mean, Jason is very inconsistent with the theology that he claims to hold to. And I'm grateful for that inconsistency.
01:06:05
Amen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because this is some scary stuff.
01:06:10
I mean, this is what, this is. It's Judaizing. Yes, it is. It's Judaizing. They are the
01:06:15
Baptist Judaizers. Yes, they are. That's a good way of saying it.
01:06:20
The Baptist Judaizers. Did you hear what he said? By faith, but not faith alone.
01:06:29
Did he say faith alone or grace alone? No, he said faith. He said, we would agree with him that we are justified by faith, but not faith alone.
01:06:38
So in other words, he's trusting in faith in Christ, but your faith in Christ is not good enough.
01:06:43
That finished work of Christ dying on the cross is not good enough to save you. You have to go back.
01:06:49
The faith is what that initial salvation, but then he's talking about the
01:06:54
Trinitarian salvation, right? Yeah. Oh my Lord. That's what
01:07:00
I feel like doing, right? So the sanctifying, the being saved would be your walk and work.
01:07:13
In the faith. Which is dependent on you, according to him. Yeah. Yeah. Which we would say, no, no, no.
01:07:23
No, no, no, no, no. Again, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Yeah. But know this, it's
01:07:29
God who is doing the work. Well, how do we know that? The theology comes from Ezekiel 36, verse 27.
01:07:38
It's the Holy Spirit in us that causes us to keep God's statutes, to keep his rules, to keep his commandments.
01:07:50
What are we doing here? It is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work his good pleasure.
01:08:01
Philippians 2. I don't know, man.
01:08:10
I definitely don't want to throw Jason under the bus. And Jason, you know my heart, brother.
01:08:17
I've been reaching out to him, sending him things. Hey, what do you think about this? What do you think about this? I want to rightly represent
01:08:26
Jason. Right. And then I sent him those videos and he said, oh, I agree just a little bit here, but there's some parts where I wouldn't say it quite like that.
01:08:36
But he's the one that sent me that statement. Well, this is just a little bit wrong, though. This isn't just a little bit wrong.
01:08:43
This is off. This is not good. This is bad stuff. Jason, I think you should leave that church, brother.
01:08:51
And I say this to you, if you are a true brother in Christ, brother, you need to leave the
01:08:56
Anabaptists and you need to find you a Southern Baptist who are not
01:09:02
Calvinistic. You're not being a Calvinist to me. That's not a big deal.
01:09:10
You don't have to be a Calvinist to be a Christian in my book. Now, there's some radicals that would believe that.
01:09:17
Now, we can still make fun of you for not being a Calvinist, right? But we're not going to throw you out of the kingdom, man.
01:09:24
I'm going to make fun of Jeff because he is a Calvinist, I suppose. Yeah. I mean, you know. But man, this right here, this is
01:09:30
Judaizer. It's another gospel altogether. Yeah. You're trusting in your own righteousness, your own works.
01:09:37
You're going back. You're going back to the law. You're going back to try to be able to...
01:09:43
What was the quote that you said the other day, Brayden, that God gave the law to be able to, as a rope, to climb yourself up by that rope.
01:09:52
Yeah. You end up hanging yourself. Is it
01:09:57
Acts 15 .6 in regard to Judaizers? It says, are we...
01:10:04
Oh, what is it saying? I'm going to open it up. Acts 15 .6. Yeah. About the yoke of slavery.
01:10:10
Are we wanting to put a yoke of slavery upon their necks? That's not in Acts 15 .6. I thought it was 15 .6.
01:10:16
Is it not? That's not 15 .6. Are you sure? Yeah. 15 .6,
01:10:22
Acts 15 .6 is the apostles and elders were gathered together to consider this matter.
01:10:34
Okay. Verse is correct. Oh, no, wait. Galatians 5. I'm sorry.
01:10:39
No, no. It's Acts 15 .10. I was four verses off. My fault. My fault. Yeah. Well, now therefore...
01:10:46
Look. I repent. Now therefore, why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
01:10:59
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way as they also are.
01:11:08
Right. Galatians 5 .1, very similar. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.
01:11:16
Stand firm and do not let yourselves be burdened again by the yoke of slavery. Talking about the very same thing.
01:11:23
The yoke of sin that is hard to bear. I see how you see that video.
01:11:35
Yeah. So let's pull that up. Okay. Jason, it's not about the video.
01:11:41
I don't give a crap about the video. I don't give a crap about what Gay Beard says. Okay.
01:11:46
I'm talking about the statement that you sent me. That's what I'm focused on. Again, don't give a crap about what the
01:11:56
Gay Beard says. It's the statement. I care about what
01:12:02
Gay Beard said. Well, I guess I have a question then. I mean, you say that you're trusting in the person.
01:12:10
Can you lose your salvation then? If God has declared you righteous upon the profession of your faith, being changed, being a new man, a new creature in Christ, if God has declared you righteous,
01:12:23
Jason, can you do anything to lose that? If you are positionally set apart unto
01:12:29
God, your position, you're a new man, you're a new creature. Can you do anything?
01:12:34
Can you do anything to change that? That would be my question to you.
01:12:39
I just don't see how if God declares you righteous, he has spoke it, how can you do anything to lose it?
01:12:48
I got the confession back up here if you want to put it up, Jeff. Yeah, and do you have the bigger one?
01:12:53
The one that I had, the screenshot that I did? Yeah. The last one that you sent up there, man, I could not see it.
01:13:00
Okay, give me a second. I had to go to my phone. Look doggy do, I got you.
01:13:07
So he says, I want to post that. I want to believe in I can't lose your salvation working through the same passions.
01:13:15
Like I said, working through some passions. I don't, I want to believe one can't lose their salvation working through some passages.
01:13:26
Like I said, well, that's good that you want to believe that. Yeah, absolutely. You know, you should just do it right.
01:13:34
Because if God is the one everlasting life, it's everlasting life. Like if it's, if you can lose it, then it should not say everlasting.
01:13:43
Or you said that earlier thing. I like, yeah. What you said that earlier. Said what?
01:13:49
If, if it's everlasting or wait, somebody put somebody. Let me find it again.
01:13:55
If it's eternal. Hold on. What do you say? If it's eternal, it's not eternal.
01:14:01
It's not salvage. Well, I believe it was. I'm digging through it.
01:14:09
Y 'all comment too much, man. Where is it there? Yeah.
01:14:14
Got it. Got it. We got it right here. It's not eternal. It's not salvation.
01:14:22
Right, right. Yes. And amen. Yes. And amen. And the word, the word salvation means to be rescued.
01:14:29
It's to be saved. Yeah. Rescue. You don't cooperate and you're being saved.
01:14:38
Yeah. Yeah. And again, you're a new creature in Christ.
01:14:45
God made you like that. You didn't make yourself like that. All right, I'm going to pull this back up.
01:14:50
That's what it is to trust fully on him. To place your faith totally on him. Again, the main point is right after the
01:14:59
Holy Spirit. It says those who receive, so let's just, those who receive
01:15:04
God's gift of salvation by faith, become children of God.
01:15:10
Now, right here, justified in their relationship to God.
01:15:16
Just right here, it indicates that this is something you're doing as well. This is not monergistic at all.
01:15:23
You said you hold a monergistic. This is not monergistic. That statement is not monergistic. Right here, sanctified in their walk and work.
01:15:34
There's nothing in that statement about God. And secured in their ongoing faith, expressed and fostered by obedience to Christ.
01:15:48
Brother, that's what I have a problem with. That right there is heretical.
01:15:56
It's Judaizer at best. The Baptist Judaizer. Yeah, because we already know that faith is a gift, right?
01:16:07
I mean, you would agree with that. Ephesians chapter 2, it says faith is a gift. Your faith is a gift.
01:16:14
And again, that was great you pointing that out. That is not monergistic. This statement is not monergistic at all.
01:16:20
This is you actually having to do something to participate. Hey, this is what you call someone who's lost an argument.
01:16:27
Right here, this is what they say. This is Keystone, Layton Flowers type of argument. But just curious, if I land, you can lose your salvation.
01:16:38
Wasn't that decreed by God for me to believe that? Just curious to see how you see that, brother.
01:16:50
This is how you do it when someone has a failed argument. Yeah, I mean, Jason, you have the scriptures right here.
01:16:57
It's right here in front of you. It's right there. If God did the saving, if God's saving you was monergistic, if it was all on him, we're talking about the creator of the heavens and the earth.
01:17:10
We're talking about the one who spoke things into existence. If he declares something, if he declares you righteous, what can you do to thwart his will?
01:17:22
Jason, here's something I would encourage you to do. Study covenant theology.
01:17:30
Study Baptist 1689 Federalist theology.
01:17:36
Have a foundation upon which you can interpret scripture. Because right now, you do not have a solid foundation.
01:17:45
You can take me to any verse in scripture. I use what's called Baptist covenant idealism to interpret scripture.
01:17:52
I'm open. I'm upfront about it, right? You don't have that. There is no place in scripture that teaches you can lose your salvation.
01:18:02
And as I showed you earlier in whenever we had that debate, when I would quote scripture,
01:18:09
I would give the context. And as we were having that debate, I was hoping you was going to ask me the context on some of those verses.
01:18:15
You didn't ask me because I was fully ready to give you 20 verses in front of it and 20 verses after it.
01:18:27
It's not a statement of man, brother. It's how you interpret scripture. You have no foundation.
01:18:33
You have no foundation upon which to interpret scripture, my dear friend. And this is why you're landing in Judaizers.
01:18:41
You're landing in the land of Judaizers. You're being taught a false gospel. You're going to teach a false gospel.
01:18:48
You need to repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ. Yo, pull this up.
01:19:00
Shabloink. It's just look at that.
01:19:13
Look at that. Look at that, guys. Yeah. Look at those Bible verses right there around the letters.
01:19:20
That's man. Who did? Did you do that, Jason Breda? Oh, my gosh.
01:19:28
Don't you? Oh, Braden. Braden Patterson. That is fantastic.
01:19:36
I'm glad I fixed all the spelling errors. If you would like this, go and grab it off of my
01:19:44
Facebook because it is good. You should have seen it before he let let
01:19:53
Jeff and I edit it. It was all yellow and couldn't read it real good.
01:20:00
It was almost like a like a chin beard. It was awesome. A chin beard.
01:20:05
Yeah, it was legendary. You mean that little soul patch you got? No, no.
01:20:10
I'm talking about the guy on the video. That was just mean, Jeff. That's gay beard. What are you talking about?
01:20:16
Look, I thought chin beard was gay beard, but apparently not. I guess we can call him happy beard.
01:20:28
All right. Well, I think we demolished that view. Yeah, and really, honestly,
01:20:38
I am thankful that even Jason would look at that video and say, hey,
01:20:43
I'm not really siding with this guy. Yeah, but he's saying that. But that statement of faith he sent concurs with it.
01:20:51
Well, yeah. I mean, again, you got to look at that closely. You really do.
01:20:57
But I think that we've done a good job explaining it as to what's wrong with it. You say that you hold to a monogeristic view of regeneration and salvation, but that doesn't read like it's monogeristic at all.
01:21:12
Jason, if you're still on, let me ask you a question. It has nothing to do with what we've been talking about. But if you listened early on, we were talking about how there's that group of guys that you are a part of.
01:21:24
Layton, you have Idle Killer. I don't know his real name. Forgive me if you watch this. I apologize.
01:21:31
I'm really bad with names. I'm really good with faces and bad with names. And then you have, you know, there's several other guys, right?
01:21:38
And Kenneth Knaff included, right? Kevin, I'm sorry. I get the two confused.
01:21:45
Y 'all all have a different position on most every subject that we can bring up.
01:21:54
Right. The only thing that y 'all have in common, Warren McGee. Yeah, McGrew, excuse me.
01:22:01
The only thing that y 'all have in common is that y 'all are anti -Calvinist. How does that work?
01:22:09
The one guy that Warren was interviewing, he is a
01:22:14
Greek Orthodox. Just mysticism dove in.
01:22:22
Here's 12 foot of mysticism. Let's drown herself. It's sad.
01:22:29
I shouldn't be laughing. That was just funny how you said that. I got to remember that. I mean, but it is. Right. I'll see if I can work it in.
01:22:39
How can you, you know, like if two or three don't agree, how can they walk together?
01:22:49
Right. How can you join forces with these guys to speak bad about us?
01:22:56
You don't even agree. Yeah, you don't even agree on basically anything.
01:23:02
It blows my mind. Y 'all team together to come against Calvinist.
01:23:09
Like I tell people quite often, you want to have a big platform, just become someone, start a
01:23:15
YouTube channel and claim that you're an anti -Calvinist or once was a Calvinist. But just don't claim that you were once reformed.
01:23:23
Because just a Calvinistic Baptist and someone who has reformed two different things.
01:23:32
That's just what I want to ask. If you're on, please respond. Also, what's your favorite color?
01:23:40
Mine is blue. It's for our next podcast. We're going to give you a pink mustache. Association.
01:23:49
Association requires discernment, but called to love others. Yeah, but unity is bound in truth.
01:23:59
You're joining with people that don't love Calvinists. That's garbage. I know
01:24:06
JP's videos, and if you've ever seen them, there's no love given for Calvinists. That's a lie,
01:24:13
Jason. Yeah, and I would also say, Jason, would you team up and do a podcast with us?
01:24:19
It's something we agree about. Like what? I'm not ecumenical.
01:24:34
Okay, well, I appreciate that, Jason. And I do hope you know that I do love you, brother. I really do.
01:24:40
I think you're a sweet man. I just think that the theology you hold to is inconsistent to the theology that you say you're a part of at best.
01:24:55
Right, because this Anabaptist is heresy.
01:25:01
It's that easy. And we need to find them a good church. Yeah. Tell us what state you're in. We get you hooked up, brother.
01:25:12
Like I do a lot of different work with people who are non -Calvinist. We get along fantastic.
01:25:18
I don't pull out my Calvinist hammer and hit them over the head with it. But that's my job.
01:25:25
Yeah, I'll do that. I used to.
01:25:31
All right. We got anything else? Or we're going to close this out. It's Sunday.
01:25:36
I preached my heart out today. I'm tired. I respect what
01:25:41
Michelle just said on there. Okay, I'm just preaching through Galatians right now.
01:25:47
That's a text that I even referenced today in my sermon. So, okay, Galatians 1 -8.
01:25:56
The cursed is cut off. Paul's saying don't fellowship. Kick them out of the church, essentially.
01:26:04
Don't allow them to be a part of it. And also, Jason, I hope that you don't get angry, which
01:26:10
I know you seem not to be angry. But this is how our podcast is. Like a lot of what we say, we're not really serious.
01:26:18
We joke around. We make fun of each other. We fight. And we talk bad about people.
01:26:24
But we don't mean it, really. We do what we don't, right? A lot of times we do.
01:26:30
Sometimes we don't. But we don't mean to sleep on it. I mean, that was 100 % legit.
01:26:37
I mean, I do believe that it's pretty happy, right? Yeah, it was.
01:26:43
He looked happy. Yeah, he looked happy. Anyways.
01:26:49
Yeah. All right, well, let's go. Last words, Tom. Yeah, I mean,
01:26:56
I feel bad for him, man. I'm seriously going to pray and hope that God opens your eyes to what we're saying.
01:27:06
And I really, truly believe that you even just tuning in and listening to us go through the
01:27:13
Scriptures, talking about justification and how God saves us is a means of, as God determined you to listen to it, because He wants you to know the truth.
01:27:26
And if you're a brother, if you truly are a brother, I really would pray that, man,
01:27:33
I would pray that you would open your eyes in here and just submit to what the Scripture says. And I know you think you are now.
01:27:39
But again, if God has declared you righteous, bro, you can't lose it. And so I would seriously, just like every single one of us, everybody who's listening here, you know, when we lay on our bed at night, you know, ask
01:27:54
God to reveal Himself to us in a special way through His Scriptures and that ask the Holy Spirit to speak into our heart and get all of us right with Him.
01:28:04
You know, if we're wrong in something, let us repent. Let us not be reject because we don't want to be wrong.
01:28:13
And I mean that with all my heart. You get a little too serious on this podcast.
01:28:19
I'm serious. And it really, it does. It does. It bothers me because I think it's a dangerous thing.
01:28:26
And yes, there's unity, but unity is always bound in truth. And so I would pray that you would seriously consider laying on your bed tonight and wrestle with God.
01:28:41
Something that was stated by Jason earlier is I don't want statements of men. I want to draw from Scripture alone.
01:28:48
We hold to sola scriptura, but we don't hold to Scripture only.
01:28:55
We look at what historical Christianity is taught. We look at hermeneutics. We tried our best to understand the
01:29:01
Scripture correctly, and we utilize other Christians in the process. You said, I don't want statements of men, yet you hold to a confession that is heretical.
01:29:12
That much is a statement of man. That is a statement of man. And that is not, that is not, first of all, it denies
01:29:20
Scripture alone. It denies Scripture teaching. It's not good.
01:29:29
It's not good. What I would just finish with is saying that we are saved by Christ. We are secure in His hand.
01:29:36
It's 100 % a work of God, not even just in our initial justification, but in us maintaining our salvation.
01:29:43
It is through Him and Him alone. It is not through anything I can do. It is Christ working in us.
01:29:48
It is, I've been crucified with Him. It is 100 % Christ alone, through faith alone and grace alone.
01:29:56
And I want to put exclamation marks after every one of those alones. Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:06
Well, I really enjoy every time I get to hang out with you brothers.
01:30:12
I know there's a lot that we do that we don't video. So, that after we get done doing, we're like, man, we should have video that, right?
01:30:19
It was really good. And so, I really enjoy these moments that we have.
01:30:25
And just interacting with those of you who are watching, like some of you, I don't really know if I know, like you're on here as a podcast, like the
01:30:33
Divine Nature podcast. Like, I'm not, I can go check you out. I'm not sure if I know you.
01:30:38
Like, are we friends on Facebook? Like, I'm not sure if I know you. But I do appreciate your commenting tonight.
01:30:45
And like, you know, every one of y 'all, like, I love hanging out, not only with my homies here at Open Earth Theology, but also with you guys.
01:30:54
And I want to also thank Jason for watching and having the courage to comment.
01:31:03
Thank you, brother. I respect you for that. And I hope
01:31:09
Jason knows that, you know, like, he can message me. He got my number. He can call me. Like, we can have a conversation.
01:31:16
But, you know, some of y 'all might be watching for the first time. You're like, these guys are just lunatics. And you know what?
01:31:23
Subscribe. Subscribe and please share. We're doing these lunatic podcasts every week.
01:31:34
So subscribe. And I can tell you this. I can tell you this. Probably by this time next year.
01:31:40
I'm not going to tell you why. But this time next year, Braden will probably have a beard. I'm going to tell him to grow a beard.
01:31:46
I'm going to have a beard by this time. Y 'all are interfering with my closing words. It's not going to be a gay beard. It's not going to be a gay beard.
01:31:53
Well, we don't know if it's going to be a gay beard. We haven't seen you in one. Shut up. Shut up. Don't put that evil on me.
01:31:59
Going on a gay beard. Don't put that evil on me. Don't put that evil on me. I'm just drowning in mysticism over there.
01:32:08
Yeah, I'm drowning 12 foot out of it, man. I'm going to be hanging out with some, you know. I got a podcast going on with 12 people that disagree with me.
01:32:17
You're swimming with the mysticism, aren't you? Chia seeds. Chia seeds, Melissa says. Chia seeds.
01:32:23
Hey, if that don't work, bring a tattoo. Get a tattoo shop. Get a tattoo of a beard on him. Oh, dude. Oh, yeah.
01:32:29
I got the tattoo gun, brother. We can hook you right on up. Yeah. I kind of.
01:32:35
What about like some gorilla glue of like, you know, like locks for love and all that? Like I could just get some different people's hair and just get.
01:32:42
Locks for love? What is that? A website? It's a cancer thing. What are you even surfing? Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
01:32:49
What are you talking about, Tom? I'm just saying I could get a beard transplanted. You know what? I want to take away everything I said earlier about loving hanging out with you guys.
01:32:57
Like, I just take that all back. Like, I do. But hey, everybody, listen. If you're ever in Tallahoma, Tennessee, come hang out with your brother.