"Projection" in Argumentation, A Marian Spectacle, Connection to the Crusades

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Well greens welcome to the dividing line, we're still here in Phoenix. We were just looking at the weather going

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Wow Next week, I don't even see triple digits and in fact

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My home weather station is talking about lows in the upper 60s

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If you didn't understand what was last time we had lows in the upper 60s It was May probably somewhere early

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May. So yeah Um, you know you you get you get highs down down where they're talking about Well, I got the fan going and stuff.

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I I might be able to start bringing my coochies in which

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I know You know rich is rolling his eyes and he's shaking his head

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But he knows brother you have a strange relationship when it comes to color

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But rich knows that when I start wearing my coochies that means the holidays are coming and so It's like it's like Pumpkin spice or slice or latte?

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What is it? Did you get it Starbucks? I don't know I don't drink coffee, but pumpkin spice. Is that something that is

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I can pumpkins with that Coochies are pumpkin spice for me So, you know once you all see that even

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I'm boring that means fall is fall is coming and that now honestly, we will probably see hundreds again, you know the week after or something like that and We've had a hundred and three as the high on on Halloween.

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So You know It it teases us, you know, but hey,

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I'll take I'll take four or five. It's just like four or five days. It's like I'm excited. That's that's good stuff.

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And the next trip man. I mean There's gonna be some cold mornings that I'm there and I might might find out if the heater actually works

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It's cuz I don't I'm not I'm not sure we've ever even used the heater in this thing.

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I don't think I have Yeah, so well, we'll find out we'll find out soon enough. I Generally only use the a little electric space heater.

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I let it get down to I said I set the heater at about 58 That's when the gas the gas heat turns on what?

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What I'm the only one in there what does it matter, you know, I Said it were where I want it, you know, and I'll have my coogee on and I'll be nice and warm Anyways, welcome to the program

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It's I already did a program With brother Wheaton the Christian worldview program already about an hour ago and that'll

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Probably be posted this This weekend. We'll try to remember to link to that.

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I Remember I've talked about this before one of the very first times that I engaged a

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Roman Catholic in Debating all the stuff that you debate with Roman Catholics.

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Okay, so I I was raised as an independent fundamentalist Baptist I just knew the Catholics were all wrong, but I didn't really didn't know why

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I probably knew a little bit more than a lot of people did because you know, my dad wasn't that kind of Fundamentalist Baptist, you know, you know, so anyway

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We that this was a little boomer history here

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We had something called Phytonet back in the 1980s and it was a

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Really Basic version of what eventually became the Internet and you you had what were called echoes and Echo was like there was the open

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Bible echo. That was a big one and the Mormon echo and you could post you could write posts that would be posted into these echoes and Then each night

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The the BBS they was called bulletin board systems the BBS systems would gather all the posts and They'd send them out and they get distributed to all the other nodes and you'd get mail packages in That had new stuff for the

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Bible echo or Mormon echo or whatever So you might get a response to something you wrote, you know the next day or you might get something three days later

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You know all depended but that was how I first started to engage

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We did it, you know, I'd spent hours writing posts to Mormons on Mormonism that that provided a lot of the impetus and documentation for the books that I ended up writing on that subject and A lot of people really surprised the first two books

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I wrote were on Roman Catholicism not on Mormonism because we had been dealing with Mormonism for many more years than we that we did

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Anything else? Yes, sir No, I was just gonna remind you don't forget that if you were actually posting in those

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Rooms on the same machine. Remember we had our own BBS our own node. Yeah, and so If you were posting on the same

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Machine that other people were posting on you saw your messages immediately. So the echoes were propagating it throughout the system

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Sharing it through all the different ones But you know, for instance, you know, if you posted that I posted

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I would each see each other's right away Yeah pretty quickly depending on when you pulled because you'd

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You'd call in and you would pull the node and if you only pulled once a day, then you only get one

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Yeah, we this was all being done over phone lines Modems Yeah Yep, yep.

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Yep. That's that's how things work. And so, you know, I put a lot of time into that and You know again a lot of that stuff became useful in books and stuff like that anyway the first You know, that's when

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I ran to Scott Windsor Who I'm right. You're probably aware of died last year.

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It's like that And But then

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I ran into a woman by name of Sue Weidemar Sue Weidemar and Corresponding with Sue was not an

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Enjoyable thing, but it was helpful to me for this reason. I Learned from trying to deal with her most of the

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Errors in argumentation that you're going to encounter over and over and over again throughout your entire life trying to apologetics trying to speak to a world and rebellion against God or to people in other religions and That's where I learned the concept of projection projection is

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Where you take what you're doing? you take the invalid arguments that you're making and You project them on your opponent.

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They they may not be doing it. In fact, they normally aren't You're the one doing it But you accuse them of doing what you're doing before they can actually identify what you're doing and it's extremely frustrating because it's like No, that's what you're doing and that's pretty much the entire internet right now, and it's certainly the current political situation and So I just happen to be looking over here and I see a

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Kamala Harris thing Trump will weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies now this is this has been something they've been saying over and over again for weeks and We're all sitting here going

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But you're in charge it's your Department of Justice and That's what you guys have been doing for three years now

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Three and a half years now. I mean, you know, I was raised in a day where you you respected the

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Department of Justice and you know, there was this had all this credibility and you know, all the rest of stuff and Now it's just like you're a bunch of political hacks

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That's all you are that's and so to be standing up there telling people he's gonna turn the

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DOJ on us You know full well that she's completely aware that she

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You know, I don't know how much she had to do with running stuff she didn't seem to really be all that central, but that's she's the vice president and So you it's it's a little bit like when she repeated the

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Blood bath thing. I Remember when that first that that quote first appeared when

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I saw someone saying Trump says if he doesn't win, it's gonna be a bloodbath and Immediately someone had posted the full contact.

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I mean, this is like the next day. I Forget where it was, but he was speaking about economics.

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He was speaking about the car industry He was speaking about how? China was moving

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Car production into other countries and all this stuff they were doing to destroy our car companies and basically force us to have to drive the cars made by people around the world and He said if if I'm not elected

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It's gonna be a it's gonna be a bloodbath because they're going to absolutely destroy the car industry It's it was so obvious and so plain

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That I was like well this okay. Okay. Some reporter is trying to get something out here

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This ain't gonna last long because anybody who Watches this is gonna know this is completely dishonest.

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It just continues on It's about there's good people on both sides stuff.

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You know that that fake quote that did there and You you listen to this stuff and you realize

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You know At least in the past conservatives

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Conservatives when there was still a fair amount of Christian morality left in the movement and it's draining away quickly had the disadvantage of Having these rules

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I Can't just walk out here and lie to everybody There was still some level of guilt that was experienced.

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That's passing that that's long gone on on the left That's long gone.

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I mean you you literally have a woman here running for president who knew Four years ago the

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Joe Biden was mentally incompetent and hit it. She's a part of she's a she's a part of the cover -up

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No one will say anything about it no one will do anything about it I'm stunned to be honest with you at the utter lack of memory of The American people these are the same people that did all the vaccine mandates and and all this other stuff that we were

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Never forget we will never forget What was that a year ago? It's hey, look, it's one thing when you get to my age that you know, you're constantly opening up a browser and then going

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Sorry, what? Ah That's short -term memory once it's a few days down the road now that's turned into long -term memory

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I remember 2021 in 2022 I I Remember the long winter of death that Joe Biden said that all of us

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Unvaccinated people and I remember these same reporters who are telling us to believe them now

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Were the ones who were saying that all us unvaccinated people should

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You know be rounded up and put in prisons and and all the rest of this kind of stuff so, but Do you hear any of that?

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Almost none of it's it's like it's it's it's literally like Well, what's what's what's going on is the the left is going we will save you

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From your current situation as long as you forget about the fact that we're the ones that put you in your current situation

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So we've created this mess We'll come along and we'll save you from this mess

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So give us another four years It's this the stupidity of it leaves me stuttering but Wow now look

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I was asked on the program I did earlier You know,

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I I have a number of friends who are going, you know, I see reasons for being optimistic here

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You know there If you believe the polls which

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You know the polls have to overcome all those ballots sitting in dark places right now that already say

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Kamala Harris I Think it'd be really funny if they pulled up, you know someplace in Georgia with all those ballots.

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They'll said Joe Biden. Oh No, that was the wrong case.

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Oh now, you know, oops That's what we were planning on doing. Oh, no but you've got to overcome all that stuff and so Yeah, Joe Biden wins.

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I Can just see see him going right? I'm back Yeah, I'm back

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I thought I had already retired what are you talking about putting on a Trump hat? I Don't know

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That we can overcome that and I've had a bunch of people say tell me no, no, no, no No, we've fixed all that and we've we've gotten rid of all that and I'm sitting here going in Arizona We haven't fixed any of that It's gonna be you know, you can

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I can tell Fox News right now go ahead and call Arizona for Harris Because it doesn't matter

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What's gonna happen here? I'm sorry. I I just We have a pseudo governor who oversaw her own election she couldn't walk out from her own office and Do a debate if her life depended on it, but hey, there you go.

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That's that's what you get from the left So, I don't know if we can overcome all that and I've told you

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I feel selfish hoping that we do Because I I'd like to have a few more years to be able to you know, get our money's worth out of this

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RV and and Continue doing the traveling and the debating and stuff like that.

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And I just don't know. I just don't know what Possibilities are gonna be for that in the future.

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I really really don't But at the at the same at the same time

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It just concerns me, you know these evangelicals for Harris thing I I started following them when they first showed up and I was

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I'm gonna unfollow eventually It's just I need to keep Pepto -Bismol next to the next to the keyboard reading this stuff

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Because It is they're not evangelicals, they know they're not evangelicals and they're just they're just lying about it

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But what I was reminded of and I was thinking about this this projection thing because it if you're a truth -loving person

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Engaging in that kind of activity where you project what you're doing onto your opponent to create confusion and frustration and all the rest of that stuff it

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It it it does create Frustration. It's like you're being untruthful.

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You're being unfair and The left doesn't care about any of that kind of stuff and it reminded me

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The Prophet Isaiah was talking about what happened in his days

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And Isaiah 59 12 is for transgressions are multiplied before you and our sins testify against us for our transgressions are with us and we know our iniquities transgressing and denying

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Yahweh and Turning away from our God speaking oppression and revolt conceiving in and uttering from the heart lying words not man when

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I when I think About now, how did the NASB get back there?

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I don't know how that keeps happening Um cordons keeps putting the NASB back in there anyway

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When I think about what's happening in our land

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Our transgressions are multiplied before you and our sins testify against us

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How long ago was it that the videos appeared showing

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Planned Parenthood Talking about selling baby parts and how to do abortions to keep the best baby parts available.

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It's been years and The Latin the guy that did it has been fighting for his life because he was

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Not sued but Arrested and brought up on charges for doing what he did by who

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Kamala Harris Kamala Harris was the AG that did it She talks about her guy go after criminals.

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Yeah, she goes after anybody that says anything about Planned Parenthood, but she did Corrupt corrupt corrupt, by the way, just remind you and it was a controversy back then when she was elected.

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I preached a sermon an apology of church about Jezebel Remember that everyone she first got elected.

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Yeah, we saw that one coming anyway Think about that Planned Parenthood is still doing a

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Planned Parenthood does Planned Parenthood is still getting the federal funding and everything else Through all the back doors and all the rest of the stuff that the left has provided Our transgressions are with us

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They testify against us. We know our iniquities Anymore, it's not only do we know our iniquities.

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We're proud of our neck This is the same White House that had all those

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LGBTQ people in remember the the one that was running around topless at the

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White House This is the same these are the same people's get saying give us four more years

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We know our iniquity transgressing and denying Yahweh Yes, this has never been no.

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No, no, no. No, no you you people you want us to go back to stuff that we've never believed no That this nation's laws were based upon Christian concepts the whole idea of innocent until proven guilty and The the the the blindfold over the eyes of Lady Justice where'd all that come from?

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It came from our Christian heritage, but we how many how many presidents called for days of of prayer and repentance

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National repentance. Oh, we forget all that stuff now now we We we are transgressing and denying

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Yahweh and turning away from our God Speaking oppression and revolt So we oppress those who speak the truth about male and female

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You see the guy in Ireland recently Arrested because he he's speaking out against the the trans stuff in the school system.

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Okay, it can't do that That's oppression of Christians revolt against God's truth revolt against God's world.

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That's what transgenderism is It's a fundamental in -your -face revolt.

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We will not submit to God's way We refuse you won't do it speaking oppression and revolt

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Conceiving in and uttering from the heart lying words. There you go

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Um Yes, all politicians lie it seems to be what it means to be a politician

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But there is on the left there is it is become so clear that the narrative

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Power keeping power keeping people in a state of fear. This is The great good and so you do anything you will say anything

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To accomplish your purpose, that's what you do Conceiving in and uttering from the heart lying words.

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So the result of this is listen to this justice is turned back and Righteousness stands far away

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For truth has stumbled in the street and uprightness cannot enter

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Yes, truth is lacking and he who turns aside from evil makes himself a prey

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What a description What a description Justice is turned back, but everybody talks about justice, right, but they can never define it

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Because if you're going to use the term justice, what's the next thing you have to have? by what standard and The secular worldview only has one standard the state

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Because there's nothing transcendent above the state, you know all above you is sky

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There's nothing up there. It's just Less and less oxygen the farther you go

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Until you die in the cold of space There's nothing up there there's no standard so justice

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Walks away from such a situation Righteousness stands far away we expect

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We are seeing did you see the sad sad video of the elderly woman who goes to the

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Springfield? City Council and and says my my husband and I have lived in the same house for over 40 years and And he's ill and we're too old for this but he said we have to pack up and move

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We can't we have we have people living in our front yard throwing things at us in a language

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We don't understand and nobody will help us and I've seen that around here

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I've seen since 2020 the I Mentioned I live fairly close to a canal that I used to run on And and you know what

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I remember probably about 2015 or so I Remember going out and and Kelly and I would do this when when my wife was working

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Uber uber early hours super early hours I mean she had to be at work at like 4 or 5 in the morning.

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There are a couple times we'd go out and I Remember the last time we did it we are riding along the canal along the path on the canal and It was like I said, it was like 2 30 in the morning and you know, we got lights on our bikes and stuff like that and We We ran into we ran into sprinklers that were on right next to the path.

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We're talking We're not talking We're talking so cute type stuff and I tried to avoid one and she was riding my wheel we hit each

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We're laying on the ground getting soaked by the sprinklers. It was so much fun. It was it was great

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I lost my phone it flipped out of my it was it was but you know years later

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You you think back and you're just like ha ha ha that wasn't that exciting It wasn't at the time, but I remember once we went out super early morning and we'd go jogging

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By moonlight on that canal and Wasn't wasn't an issue you don't do that now the all the underpasses are now filled with drug addicts and criminals and human feces and Needles and It's it's a mess.

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Just like every other Democrat run city in the United States It's like the memo went out.

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Okay Let them all go. Let them just do whatever they want to do Don't enforce the laws.

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Don't clean anything up. Just let everything go to heck and That's that's what's happened

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Just in this past number of years and here's this poor lady going we're gonna have to move Where are we going? But where are you supposed to go?

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I mean Springfield, Ohio What? Where can you go to avoid all this stuff because That's what these people want and then they turn around say but we we want to lower your costs and we want they're lying

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They can't speak the truth They don't even have a standard for knowing what the truth is

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So justice is turned back righteousness stands far away. There's no the law is no longer being enforced

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We have we we used to say what made America great over against banana

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Republic Was that we were a nation of laws not a nation of men

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We've lost that why because law has to have a foundation By what standard where do you get that law from?

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we once admitted, you know, we've had lots of of Court cases and Supreme Court cases and stuff

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From the beginning where the Bible was cited as a foundational document won't happen now

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Because we don't believe them So Righteousness stands for off for truth has stumbled in the street

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What a picture What a picture we see these things now we see beatings taking care of taking place in the streets and and the lawlessness and There's truth it stumbled the street uprightness cannot enter

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It's a picture of the the ways that you would travel around the city on the streets And so justice righteousness truth and uprightness

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Can't get any more truth is lacking and he who turns aside from evil makes himself a prey think about it

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How many people lost their jobs? Because they would not bow to the alphabet mafia the

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LGBTQ Revolution He who turns aside from evil so does the right thing.

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I'm gonna turn aside from evil You make yourself the object of derision you become the prey

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What happened to this nation Captivity destruction. Why do we think well, yeah, it happened to them.

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That's not gonna happen to us Um Was there

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I'm sorry it is happening. It is happening right now It is an amazing thing to observe, um, okay, where did

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I have this? All right, did it did it did it today? Weird stuff on well, there's always weird stuff on Twitter, isn't there?

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That's just sort of what it's all about. But um, I'm gonna go ahead and try to show this

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I I can do it because I've got it on Here, but I don't remember if I put this backwards.

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Okay, good. We didn't test this, but it'll work Another Protestia, I I don't know what these these guys do.

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I mean, I I Often feel guilty. I spend too much time

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Online but these guys live online and They really catch a lot of Roman Catholic stuff that We don't see here in the

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States as much. I Have often said if you go to Mexico if you go to Central America to the the deep dark

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Roman Catholic areas You will see why? the

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Apologetic the Catholic answers and people like that use here in the United States about the veneration of Mary this doesn't work there and And the

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Catholics there wouldn't even try it When you try to say where we're not worshiping

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Mary we only worship God and Worship is

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Latria and Latria is only be given to God and When we honor saints and angels, that's

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Julia and Again, if you trace those terms back to divine revelation in Scripture, and they don't have to worry about that They only trace it back to their traditions

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So no, but you trace these things back to divine revelation in Scripture and there is no distinction between them

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They come from one Hebrew term. Aha to serve to worship and so It's it's it's not derived from God's revelation, but it's used to excuse

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The worship of Mary so she's given hyper Julia Yeah, when you when you hear people talking like that and using terms like hyper

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Julia you know, they're trying to cover over something and There's a there's a reformed lady on Twitter that seems to attract a lot of really

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Nasty people and I couldn't find it now, but she had made some statement and This Roman Catholic had just you know straight out had said to her

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Mary is the mother of God She is the spouse the

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Holy Spirit and You know, she had done this this person this person not she but this person that was responding to her

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Went beyond dogmatic Roman Catholic teaching but as I've been pointing out for decades now in my

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Presentations on Mary this kind of stuff as Mary as the spouse of the

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Spirit You know the quote about the Holy Spirit never became incarnate but the closest is his relationship to Mary the

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Immaculata and all the rest of the time you you sit back and and you

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You you go. Okay, so we started here How in the world do you get there?

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from here That does not make any sense. That's it's not even possible And the reality is you can do it

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And you do it by tradition you do it by tradition So I'm gonna show you by the way, one of the reasons

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I'm doing this like an idiot. I left some books sitting on the

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Kitchen counter when I left today Including the main book that I wanted to talk to you about today, but we'll have to wait till next week

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Which I tried to talk to people about during the presidential debate, but that was a disaster He wrote up an entire article about it, but again, that was a disaster and it didn't work and Yes Yeah Yeah, that's what

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I'm talking about. Um and I'm saying that people a bunch of these

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Roman Catholics send her all sorts of wild and crazy stuff and I follow her so I see it anyway

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I'm really disappointed myself that I didn't bring with me Today the widening of God's mercy

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The new book from the Hayes father -and -son team That I got just an hour before the presidential debate started and Hence had some opportunity to look at I Think it's really really important.

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We've been dealing with homosexuality since about 2001 here at the ministry and This book will be promoted a lot

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It shouldn't be because it's vacuous but since it presents an

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Argument that most of us aren't used to dealing with Lord willing I'll remember to have it with me

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Late Monday afternoon because you said you got something in the morning, but we can still do something in the afternoon Okay, so probably three o 'clock our time six o 'clock

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Eastern Time on Monday I'll make sure to have it with me. I have the Kindle, but I'd like to be able to show you stuff

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I know that that's not an exciting topic to a lot of folks, but you need to understand especially if you're a pastor This stuff gets in your church

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If you're trying to deal with people dealing with homosexuality This is the you got to know this stuff's out there and you got to know how to respond to it.

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I mean We have always been in ministry to help the church and this is

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I think one of the most important things I almost have to beg you to listen Knowing that five years down the road somebody's gonna come up to me and say thank you so much

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For warning us ahead of time. I was just meeting with the family in my church and they walk in with this book and Wow, I was ready.

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I've had that happen with so many other things. I know it's gonna happen with this one I know it's gonna happen with this one.

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And by the way, just again for those of you because some of you make make the journey The first full weekend in December I'll be in st.

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Charles at Covenant Grace Church and Our topic will be the

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LGBTQIA revolution and I'll have sections sessions on that book and Other we'll look at what are the current leading books?

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Resources that people are using to promote this stuff within the church and so I Think that'll be a hopefully helpful and useful

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Study there at the church. Okay, so we'll get to that on Monday. Just let you know

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We'll we'll be heading that direction. You might want to look it up see some of the Hubbub about it and we'll go from there.

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So here is a video from Mexico and This is it's titled

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Catholics nearly trample one another trying to touch a statue of Mary at the Romero Day El Rocio pilgrimage in Spain.

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Sorry, not Mexico Spain Is where this is is taking place?

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Um, let's let's it has audio. I Do but it's all in Spanish so it doesn't really matter but you can have it up Let's just let's just watch

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You Come on Welcome to our idea of a nice air

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Last leave in procession Some of us agarradera

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Kieren pretending that our mass is tabula Alpaso, you need our case you see a garden a lot better Let's put a couple of explicable until you must pick up on it.

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That's a mission Mucho movimiento de la virgen que no eran aconsejables

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Y ahí estamos viendo esa imagen se plano detalle precioso una de las novedades de esta romería

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I'm one of the same way Otra exceptionalidad

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Mesa Bambalina Mandar filial Armandas del Rocio de de weber

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De la que la separa una vez que sale de la ermita No ciento cincuenta metros pero ahí sí vamos a tenerla un tiempo

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Ya está la virgen en la calle Qué maravilla, qué maravilla Tres menos cinco de la madrugada

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La virgen acaba de salir de cruzar esa concha peregrina

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Bajando esa pequeña inclinación que hay La rampa de la ermita y ya está pisando las arenas manolo antonio

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Cuántas personas están ahora mismo rezando le pidiéndole a la virgen cuántas personas desde su casa

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Estarán viendo gracias a vosotros el poder de pedirle a la virgen

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De todo me imagino que es mucho lo que no ha podido ir por enfermedad por estar a pidiendo salud salud de los enfermos

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Por eso ella saluda a los enfermos Precioso el movimiento de la bambalina, muy bonito, muy bonito, muy bonito

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And I guess that's where it ends Wow I'll back it up here to one of the spots where you can sort of see it there

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What do you say when you see something like that? Do you understand how trying to say that's not

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Latria? That's hyperdulia Is a distinction utterly without difference

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It means nothing. This is idolatry. This is taking a statue

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Of a godly woman from the past A blessed woman from the past Who identified

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God as her Savior not because she had any concept of the immaculate conception which developed long long long long later

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A godly servant of Christ that the

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Apostles never present as a

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Savior figure a mediator figure a source of grace They never say go to Mary None of it again.

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If this is your grounding And even if this were the lens through which you were to look at later development, you'd have to go.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no If the Apostles were to be to were to watch this they they'd be going what are you people doing?

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What what what is going on here? They have no concept of and yet Here you have look look at the faces

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This is religious fervor This is worship

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These are people risking literally risking life and limb I mean there could have been people trampled in that to carry around An image a statue of Mary What has to be said

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Of the religion that produces this kind of idolatry what

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I mean by that Is if you were a person

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Who understands that you're standing with God is

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Based upon the finished work of Jesus Christ that you are in dwelt by his spirit That you've been adopted into his family

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You have his righteousness as the grounds of your peace with God And so the trials and difficulties that you go through The hard things that happen in your life

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Do so at the hand of the God who is described as working all things after the counsel of his will

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And so you know that Romans chapter 8 tells you And promises to you that God works all things for the good

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Of those who love God those are called according to purpose no matter what N .T. Wright tried to do with that one

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You you have that confidence A person who has that confidence isn't in this crowd

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You aren't risking life and limb to try to get to get near And one thing

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I'm noticing I see no women This must be there must be something about this particular pilgrimage or Whatever I don't know that is limited to guys

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Believe you me if you want to find All sorts of video of women doing the exact same thing

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Women touching statues and straining to touch statues and do it all the rest of stuff and Rocking back and forth in front of statues of Mary and praying their rosaries and doing stuff like that So I don't know what is specifically about this other than If it's going to be carried then you've got to have

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Guys that are strong enough to carry it even though it's sort of look to me there for a while like We're going to have another one of those you know we've all seen the videos where A statue of Mary gets dropped in the whole place you know

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Falls apart screaming and crying and all the rest of stuff And there was another video

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I saw yesterday of a huge Half Mary statue on the back of a truck

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That was being pulled someplace and all these people were swarming around it and Doing all this stuff so I I don't know but If you understand the gospel

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You're not in this group you don't have to you don't want to be

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So what does this say about Roman Catholicism in Spain It's cultural

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It's nominal And it's completely disconnected from the message of the apostle right now

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I wonder how many of my Reformed brothers and sisters

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I wasn't planning on doing this You think you know where I'm going

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Rich thinks he knows where I'm going because I just this just hit me I just thought

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Let's Let's get the holy hand grenade of Antioch out well no no no no no no

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Most of my reformed brothers I would and sisters I would think

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Would look at this and go Wow I mean if you have

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Even an inkling Of a Reformed understanding of the regulative principle of worship and hey we fight about that and then

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Disagree about how far you're supposed to push it and you know I think there's some hyper people about things like that but We understand that God gets to define

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What he will find as pleasing worship before him we just don't we don't get to just Come up with whatever we want to come up with his word gives us guidance

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Okay, I think most of us would agree It's not pleasing to God.

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This is idolatry It's not true worship It's it's damaging to the people involved with it as all idolatry is and you know

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Ten years ago I Could have sat here and said all of us agree about this

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This is this is none of us are gonna disagree at all Okay So they've been given a false.

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Hope she is a false. Hope for them No one's gonna get grace from carrying that thing along Touching her

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I Have a feeling that some of them Things that were tied you saw that one guy tying something

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I think those represented people or prayers or something and you're trying you know that kind of All that kind of stuff symbolism to Get Mary's attention and get grace from Mary We don't and ten years ago every person that called themselves reformed would have gone

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You bet so Why is it that we're sitting around arguing that when the

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Pope in Rome primarily to solidify his own position in Rome goes to a council

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And calls for military invasion of the

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Holy Land to get Jerusalem back from the infidels It's probable that urban Initially was only offering what we would call

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A standard style of indulgence but over time that grew and developed into a promise of salvation for anyone who would take the oath and take the cross

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Put the cross on your clothing Some people had it tattooed on them. Some people had painted on their on their armor

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First Crusade had all certain color crosses and then they changed Later Crusades depending where you came from blah blah blah blah but full salvation to those who would take up the cross to slay the infidels and free

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Jerusalem from the infidels Jerusalem had been conquered 400 years earlier and had been under Islamic control for four centuries at this point

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There were no Islamic armies marching on Christian lands at this point in time

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You had You had divisions amongst the Muslims You had the Moors You had the situation in Spain where that expansion had been stopped in 732 at the

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Battle of Tours and there was sort of at that point in time fairly stable situation there

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The Byzantine Empire was holding its own but was not the situation you had after 1453 at all with the

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Muslim armies marching on Europe from the East That wasn't going on at this point in time 1095

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You basically had the Pope lying to people dehumanizing

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Muslims not calling for the conversion of Muslims or prayer for Muslims but for the murder of Muslims So this was not a defensive situation at all

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I know a lot of people try to make it It wasn't I know that revisionists try to make it It wasn't This was purely offensive all based upon false promises from a false religious system

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Right? Again 10 years ago If I had said what

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I just said right now who would have disagreed with me? The Roman Catholics obviously

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I get it and some of the revisionists were already because of the rise of radical

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Islamic fundamentalism in the

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Middle East there's been that was starting but amongst reformed folks on the theological basis the theological ground would anyone have disputed what

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I just said? Now it's enough to get you cancelled

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Now it's enough to get you cancelled Just what I just said I'm going to try this afternoon to find enough time to write a letter to a former supporter that I guess it was on Twitter I had said

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Someone had I guess it was an anonymous one so I didn't know who it was but someone had said

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I'm never going to give anything to you again I'm like I've never had anybody who actually had given us anything Well this guy had

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This guy had He wrote to us and you know what it was about I'm not going to give anything on this subject

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Now I've I've never said anything different than what I just said about the Crusades We didn't have to In the olden days when there was no lionization and promotion of Crusaderism amongst reformed people

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I didn't have to say certain things I mean it was obvious that the

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Crusaders were operating on a false theological paradigm and foundation I didn't have to go

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Hey this is false or prove it or something like that or this is actually central to why they were doing what they were doing because isn't that vitally important I mean part of the part of the negotiations that went back and forth like once Saladin took control and unified the

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Muslims primarily unified the Muslims one of the big things was the true cross we want the true cross the

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Christians wanted the true cross Muslims don't believe there is a true cross because there wasn't a cross so there's the theological aspect of things but we want the true cross and when the later crusade that took

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Constantinople and hastened the falling of the Byzantine Empire as a result when they sacked

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Constantinople you know one of the main things they stole from the east were all these relics

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I'll go through a list because I which book was that in there was a whole list it's actually probably in a couple of them

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I think Schaff mentioned it yeah I think it had to have been Schaff that I was looking at you know vials of the blood shed by Jesus on the cross and feathers from the wings of the angel

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Gabriel when he announced the coming of Christ just so much of this stuff and then to find out that like when the crusaders in the first crusade they got trapped in Antioch after they took

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Antioch they then got trapped in Antioch by a Muslim army and they're starving and it was somebody digging under the altar finding the spear that pierced the side of Jesus they found it buried under the altar in Antioch and that's what gave allegedly gave them the excitement even though they're starving to death to break out of Antioch and rout the

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Muslims and then within a year they've decided the spear isn't real the spear that wasn't the spear how did anybody know in the beginning the point was it was so soaked in superstitious foolishness that at every turn you're encountering this and so what's the difference honestly between watching the video that we just watched and the fervor these people had and the fervor that the first crusaders demonstrated upon finding the true spear that pierced the side of Jesus and how long will it be before we hear of people who've gone you know what all

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I used to have was that sola scriptura stuff but then you know

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I started studying church history and I found out how important relics things like that have been to the

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Christian people down because they because I found out they were they were Christian people just like us the issue of the gospel just as that gospel stuff is too divisive and they they believed in the true cross and they believed in the holy sepulcher and they believed in the sword that pierced the side of Jesus the spear that pierced the side of Jesus and and I just I just came to realize

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I had just been denied all this stuff and so now I have come to the one true church from the ignorance that I had before I wonder how long it'll be

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I wonder how long it'll be I don't want to see that happen but once you start going oh these these folks were these and it's like wait wait what about what about the theology behind this ah da da da da that's the modern revisionist stuff we don't have to worry about the theology they did yes sir yes sir there's a button you need to push yes

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I'm pushing buttons here there we go oh oh oh yes well the fast forward what did you start off with you started talking about modern political deceptions and the motives

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I wasn't trying to make that connection no I know you weren't I just did it just clicked with me it's too far of a leap to go from Kamala Harris to Urban wait a minute we we decry the politicians and they're they're lying to us the propagandists coming out of the government of our day and then you look back and everybody's going oh look they did such great things and you point out oh because the government the the the sacral government was lying to them through propaganda and props and all kinds of other things and look at how many of them died and for what hey you made that connection so when the nasty emails come in well they do anyway but that's the thing of this truly brave crowd you get to answer the nasty emails on that one there are really very very very very few of them brave because I get very very few notes

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I get zero phone calls none I don't get any phone calls from these guys none none look they're brave behind the keyboard as they hide behind their avatar and their fake name and what today this guy is notable because he actually wrote a letter why is he notable because he's the only one that's ever written a letter to us that's true that's true that's why

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I'll write back and say thank you for your support but I'm not the only one that changed what what has made you change there are some things in the letter

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I need to respond to though too because he said you must not believe in defensive war no I never

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I've never said anything that even suggests that yeah yeah well you know look there's there's certain narratives that have been put out there and uh once you once you buy into it then you're gonna you're gonna read the history in light of that particular narrative so so there you go all right anyways well uh so right now the plan is uh next week again due to various scheduling things and um we're gonna do a dividing line probably let's just go ahead and say three o 'clock our time six o 'clock eastern time on Monday afternoon where lord willing

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I'll remember to bring that book in and we will give you a at least a initial way of thinking and understanding what this argumentation is it's not that it's brand new it's just that Hayes uh the younger

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Hayes I think teaches at Fuller uh which is just an indication of just we know where fuller's going it's sad to watch it happening but um it it's sort of inevitable need to be talking about that because the what concerns me is with all the political stuff happening we forget about stuff that directly matters to the church

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I mean the political stuff does don't don't get me wrong but we tend to that takes up all the volume and so we don't think about some of the other stuff that we need to be prepared to actually deal with if you want to present the whole

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Council of God and that's what we want to be doing matter what the political situation in the land actually so as we do on shooting for Monday and Thursday of next week