Dead Men Walking Podcast LIVE from Fight Laugh Feast: Jeff Durbin & Jeremiah Roberts

Podcast Banter and Conversation Setup

Just and just be consistent with your.

Do you. I mean do you. Well, I try to. I try to follow everything you guys do. I mean if you have a like a number per day.

You know. Well, it's very social to me. I want to be a lot more consistent. Yeah, a lot of images like I have right here. Yeah, so I made this post. Let's get you up on that mic there to Jeremiah. So everyone can hear you if that's okay.

Here we go. Yeah, we're recording right now, so yeah, we can talk about so there's a there's a video I post it. I'm posting it on the way here. And if you can see we're gonna do an episode on the Enneagram.

Yep, and so I posted this inside the airport and On our Instagram has got 16 comments 2 and 41 likes. Yeah, and then our Facebook Post it's about 150 like 57 comments. Serious just Spur the moment. I want to make it.

I want to engage right you move up here. So yeah. You got it you got know the mic you got to be up close.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I was always afraid of the mic before cuz I was I was a guitar player in a band. Yeah, so I was more of the guy looking down. You know, I was that guy in the band just looking down right the guitar.

I wasn't the guy on the mic. So now that I have a mic in front of me, it gets a little little nerve-wracking, but I'm getting better after after 30 episodes.

We're the baby of the Kovac right there. Yeah. Got classified. Not essential. Start a podcast about God. You back governor, yeah. So what's the podcast about? I mean, I was a dead man walking. Is that like this?

No, I can't don't know. Not not the Undertaker.

Remember that match between him and ultimate warrior with with the with the coffin. Do you remember that? We're kids long long time. I don't know how old you are. But uh, yeah, man, this this was WWF long time.

Okay, never mind. We're not gonna talk about Undertaker and let's talk about Bible theology. Yeah.

Cultish, Fringe Topics, and the Public Square

The tagline of the podcast is Exploring doctrine and theology and all the exciting and interesting things in between. We didn't want to limit it to just that we do talk. I'm a elected official in my county.

Jason's a International touring musician in the past. I play music lead worship. We wanted to intertwine some things in between there, but I've always been very Interested in doctrine and theology even from a young age.

Love talking about it. No official schooling a curbstone theologian.

There we go. You haven't been messed up.

But we wanted to have you on here because I follow you on Instagram and I love the the cultish post. So, can you tell us a little bit about what you're doing right now? Introduce yourself to the listeners and viewers?

Yeah, so I've got a pod our podcast is about Alma. We're going up on our two-year anniversary. Yeah, and the podcast is called cultish. So it deals with with cults things that are cultish and really fringe topics the the new age stuff like Drops baby.

We're live-streaming right now. Yeah, come on in man. No one the only Drew Durbin, go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt your oil if you need. Yeah. No, just real quick. The podcast started because a couple is about three years ago Jeff just said hey you need to have we need to have a minister is Focused in on the cults and so I would think all right.

What does they even look like and from that? Formulated the idea of doing a podcast strictly focused on cults because we had a bunch of episodes of apology radio. Where that had stuff on Mormonism and other similar cults and things like that.

We just want to have something that was focused and that's where. You came up with that you came up with the name of cultish because we just want to have something that was there and just a good Something it just that was out there and stick and so we've just you know.

Try to make good content try and think about where are the fringe topics that the culture's into whether it's like a different Cult documentary like nexium, which is a big thing. There's a HBO documentary called the valve.

I've been wondering how to say that by the way, you see the name on Social media and I'm like, how do you even say that word? You know? Yeah. Sorry. Okay. Oh, I didn't know.

I thought it was like is this Roman numerals? Like a.

Greek. I wasn't sure. So yeah.

I mean, it's just a matter of taking those things whether it's dealing with the world the UFOs and aliens and that's your favorite topic and.

Oh Jeff's not on. Oh, no turn Jeff on.

It's always a sound guy gotcha, you know, I know some people on the article post about that. But yeah, just anything whether it comes to the role of psychedelics, yeah, Steve that's a big thing. Yeah, like the look the two latest Guests that are on the Joe Rogan experience.

They were trying to argue and like the typical arguments a lot of people like in the New Testament Church. They were actually taking mind-altering substances and that's why they are experiencing like being caught up you know, yeah in the third heaven and those sorts of things and so you see that and We have to be able to give answers to that and that's why.

It's a weird French topic and maybe it's taboo to some people. But the normal it and the normalization of LSD and psychedelics is a big thing. D &T yeah, so we want to be able to have like a Topic like cultists you want to be able to have a good and rational conversation where you can kind of give how do you actually?

Equip someone to respond to what the culture at large is saying. This is how you experience something that the transcendent the Transcendent. How you get there? So yeah, it's absolutely amazing that subjects that you guys are hitting on too because There is an explosion right now in in the secular world is you know.

Even the movement of Christianity came up through psychedelics like three four years ago. I hadn't even heard of this now in the last 18 months two years right around the time you guys started the podcast.

There's more people talking about that to have you guys out there kind of talking about that counterculture stuff to where normally. You know where you listen to a Bible podcast. It's gonna be all right.

Yeah, post mill or premium and I'm not making fun of those things. Hey, you know, it's like you guys are getting into the cult the culture right things that people really really want to hear about right?

Oh, yeah for sure and when you're looking at just Podcasting in general that if you're going if you're gonna deal with something that if you're gonna have a podcast on Covenant theology. And the in the ins and outs injures intricacies of that that's totally fine.

You just have to understand you're gonna be dealing with a very a very niche topic a very Whether there's the reformed world than you have a covenant theology. So you're really right you have a very unique distinct and in some case minimal audience you can reach but I think one that at least that way that we've been able to position us is that we've been able to have really a broad overreach that kind of Transcends goes into the world issue the world's talking about but even you know.

Even outside the reformed world absolutely and so yeah, it's been really cool to be able to have you know All sorts of conversations regarding that. Yeah now Jeff I grew up in a legalistic Church. Then I went my family went the other way and we went charismatic and then I was a closet reformed Calvinist for eight years because I wrestled with it.

I was taught those people were evil. They were horrible. They weren't even saved. I kept reading the Bible and then I'd listen to James White and then I'd read the Bible listen to Jeff Durbin then I'd read The Bible and listen to RGC Sproul and I'd read the but and I went oh my gosh this is just what the Bible is so you were instrumental in my Late 20s into my early 30s and really just setting a foundation for me theologically.

So it's it's very I'm honored to have you here. But tell everyone a little bit about what you got going on and where they can hear you and stuff like that.

Well apology of studios commas where you guys go to get Goodness gracious years of radio programs podcasts and TV shows after shows all that stuff is there. Apology of studios on YouTube is where we place everything from cultish to Provoked to apology a radio to our teaching ministry to our evangelism to stuff for end abortion now.

But yeah, I mean our church is Has a very very significant commitment to Proclamation of the gospel in the public square, which is really what cultish is about. I mean For us it's not just a matter of you know, starting a podcast.

I think one of the things that I said to Jerry early on was now everyone wants to start a podcast. Everyone wants to you know, everyone has a mic and a computer and sorry podcast. Yeah, no. But I what it could be a very positive thing or but I think the challenge is this a lot of times you can see.

Even seen the last say 68 68 years or so of podcasts even in the reform world a lot of solid podcasts pop up and then They disappear they go away. I think was what Jerry's talking about It's just niche little market this one little corner sort of talking to yourselves not really Engaging in the things that most people are facing every single day.

We want to we want to do that. We want to bring the gospel in the biblical world view into the public square. We think Jesus is Lord over everything not just over matters of the church. Amen, so when we hear Joe Rogan talking about DMT experiences and encourage people to do it or UFOs.

We think Jesus has authority over that conversation. We want to bring the gospel into that conversation. It has to do with issues going on with the government and injustice black lives matter Marxism all those things we want to address those things and the really great thing about having a Podcast that reaches into the public square that can really bring the Christian worldview into contact with all those things as you also never run out of content.

Yeah, all 2020 is cultish. That's one of the jokes now. Is that right. In 2019 It was that we would go into the studio and that's where we talk about cultish things. Now it's like the rules have been reversed.

We're going out of like the cultist world like right now where a studio is you see people that it's 118 degrees and they're walking. By themselves wearing a mask and you're like, is there just some sort of weird pseudo cult like it is.

We're driving around with a mask on right themselves. Yeah.

I mean just where they like if I if I had told any of you that. Like back in 2019 the year from now. People are gonna be walking around driving wearing masks going surgical masks when it's 118 degrees outside.

You're like, are you insane? Wouldn't believe it. Yeah, and you know, we had the cross-politic guys on the podcast a few weeks ago, and I believe it was. Was it Toby was it Sumter? Yeah. Yeah that made the point look at when you remove religion from a culture.

It's not a vacuum. We replace it with something and this mask wearing Religion to the state has now replaced that they you know. You're in solidarity with the state if you don't wear it. You're not in line and step and that's what we're in.

I'm not making a judgment on masks one way or another I'm just saying that's just another sign of our of a godless culture being you know Secularism being replaced as our religion, right? And that's why I think your guys's podcast and what you do Jeff is so Important and god bless both of you guys for doing that.

Conference Plans, Branding, and Media Strategy

Are you guys doing anything here at the conference? Are you speaking or gonna be doing anything afterwards? I'm teaching tomorrow. Hmm. What time for everyone for the live stream? What time I think it's.

I think it's three or four. He doesn't know we got to ask.

No, I don't even gosh. I just know to show up here at some point tomorrow.

You know, you know beforehand I had to pick all the green M &Ms for his rider. I need to have a booth next time. They have the conference here. I'm here at Darren down. I work at this creative agency now.

And so if you guys if anyone's here at the cross-pulture conference I would just say if Darren's gonna speak I'll just go if you're looking to start a podcast. You want to know anything about branding social media?

Yeah, anything with how do you even just there's so much you can do the majority of how I built cultish I mean that we have their studio sure and everything like that. But as far as the majority of content to promote what has happened has been from this phone.

There's so much there's so many cool things that you can do. And so if you if are here if you want to get just talk look for anything that Darren Doan says. Yeah in regards to media building it up feel like listen to him because he did he's had a Huge track of success of things that he's built sure.

And if you're looking to a podcast or in the media if you want to glorify God through that he has a lot to say. Yeah, so whether it's whether he's up on stage or picking his brain pulling him aside. We look for him.

We'll definitely have to look him up. Yes Instagram look up the hashtag donut do a an IT and it's kind of biggest thing. I started so nice.

Had to give him a shout out there. Yeah, where's where's dr. White? Why was he to this? Yeah.

Apologetics, Church Life, and Equipping Believers

They've been invited. He's super super busy right now. Obviously after kovat I mean he had tons of stuff canceled this year. So did I. We're supposed to do a debate early on the beginning this year with some atheist professors?

Back in Utah that got canceled. So it's supposed to be rescheduled, but his his schedule is picking back up again right now. And actually he's thankfully he's taking the pastoral responsibilities this Sunday.

Well, I'm gone.

So let me ask you as a pastor too because I find that sometimes the Lord works in pastors hearts and seasons. What what are you preaching to your church right now? Or what kind of season does the Lord have you and Jeff in this culture and everything going on?

What's what's really been impressed into your spirit? And what kind of messages are you delivering to I think what people have to understand?

I'm an apology at church and Jerry knows as well. Jerry and I have been friends since well. We first met in 1996 and became very close. Was it mm when we reconnected? Yeah, something like that. Apology a church is just a local church in the desert.

I'm one of four elders. Jerry's a deacon at apology a church. We have a local church. That we're raising that we're caring for and loving and most of the time that I spend her in the week is with our body face-to-face.

Counseling shepherding our body everything that you see going out into the world is from the gifted people. We have at our church. Whether it's Jerry doing cultish or Andrew or the other things that are going on and we were always a church.

Anyways, and Jerry knows this before we even planted apology at church. We were out doing the work of evangelism. Absolutely mill Avenue in Tempe ASU stuff or Mormon Temple evangelism or meeting with Mormon elders and houses those sorts of things.

So evangelism and outreach is always just a part of what we did. Anyways, so what you see with apology of studios is just the fact that we have a camera turned on now while it's happening, right? Yeah, and so what's going on right now with us right now?

Is that surprisingly kovat? Kind of blew our church up in terms of size numbers. Really? Yeah, actually right now one of the things I've been trying to communicate to the church every Lord's Day is that I'm uncomfortable with the fact that I have so many faces at church and I don't know them.

And so we're trying to really right now care for the new people that have but we're refugees. We have people that have fled to Arizona from California. By my count right now at least six new families I met with in the last three weeks that have actually come from California because of what's happening there.

We have families that have come to us during kovat because of their elders response to kovat and now this is their home. So right now what we just did is we want to build solid foundations with all of our people.

So we just did a new series on doctrines of grace. Okay to really equip them in the gospel understanding the important components of the gospel and God's sovereignty. Right now we're in the midst of a series.

I got to get back to Matthew at some point 24 and finish it up. No, I did 24 for like a year. Yeah, James. James will never let me forget that.

I know you started Matthew and it was in.

2014 I started Matthew. I'm in 25 still in 24. But we're taking a pause from Matthew. Like right now I just did one on why why we believe why we believe the Bible is God's Word. James is doing this Sunday why we believe in the Trinity then I'm doing one on why we believe Jesus is the Messiah.

What spurred that on was I sat down with a girl? Who is new to our church? He's been going for the last four weeks and she said that she's been in the church for eight years. She was a professing believer.

She was actually serving in the church for eight years locally in Gilbert. Actually, and she said that she ran across this random YouTube video and in the YouTube video this New Age guy said Yeah, Jesus isn't God.

He never claimed to be God and that rocked her faith. And she said since that time she said I'm no longer a professing Christian. She said I know God is there but I don't know that I believe Jesus is the Messiah or that he was God.

I'm just I'm open to the truth. But right now I'm realizing I don't even know why I believe that in the first place. And so I thought to myself that's actually pretty incredible to me eight years professing Christian.

You don't know why we believe Jesus is God. You don't know why you believe he's the Messiah. That's all took. Huh? That's one guy. Yeah. Ring it's considering things like that with such so many new people at our body.

Our duty is to equip them to prepare them. So we want to make sure that everybody knows the Word of God and is ready to actually Proclaim and defend the Word of God. Not everyone can be a James White.

I think that he's the best Christian apologist in the history of the Christian Church. Nobody has debated more people from more worldviews the best they had to offer all over the planet. I think that's actually a fact.

I mean, he's got almost 200 debates with the world's best all over the planet. There's never been a Christian apologist in history. That's done that. So I think he's the best but every Christian is commanded to know what they believe and why they believe it.

And to defend the truth and so right now we're in the process as pastors to make sure that our people know. Some essentials of the faith how to defend those things so they're ready to go out into the world and die for their faith.

And they're also becoming black belts. Yes, right. That was an amazing.

Doctor Guy right here. If you want to talk somebody who's a hero. This is your hero right here line him up. Thank you, brother. Yeah, great to see you. Great to see you. Look forward to talking to you this weekend.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're. You know who that was I.

I'm not familiar with dr. Grant. Okay, so tell the listeners and myself.

Dr. George Grant, Christian History, and Abortion

So you have to know that it's a requirement in my home. Hmm as we're doing homeschooling, which everybody should be doing we do. It's a requirement. I hope that my children go through dr. Grant's four-year curriculum on History and worldview there.

Let me just say this right now. There isn't anything better period not full stop. There isn't any better. Dr. George Grant King's Meadow curriculum is where you have to go. I know I sound like a salesperson right now.

Hey, but I'm selling you something really good. I'm not making any money off. There is no better History worldview overarching curriculum than dr. Grant's curriculum. You have to get that to your kids.

It's more of like a Middle school through high school kind of age thing four years. Christian history world history American history. That nope, there's nobody better than dr. Grant if you don't know him you need to get to know him.

It sounds like something I could use. I went to public school. Yeah.

No, me too. Me too. Let me tell you one thing. Dr. Grant taught me and it was in the middle of a radio program I did with him once I learned it in the middle of the program. It's somewhere on YouTube.

Our ministry focuses on bringing the gospel as pastors into conflict with the issue of abortion. It's a very big deal to us. We're willing to die for this this cause to bring justice to these fatherless children.

So I have dr. Grant on he knows everything about history. It's sick how much the man knows. It's an embarrassment. I feel like to my own intellect when I talk to him. But dr. Grant talked to us about the fact that the Christian Church has already had a victorious Movement over the issue of abortion in American history, and I said wait, what what do you what are you talking about?

Yeah, he said that shortly after the Civil War of the abortifacient industry was becoming very popular. And it started to have this big move to where abortifacients were were a very serious issue. So a group of pastors Who believe the gospel in the Word of God fought against that issue as Christians not as a pro-life industry.

Not with compromise and not with pretended neutrality. They fought as pastors with the Word of God and the gospel and they started a publication. To promote their views and to put down this abortifacient industry and they won.

Do you want to know what the publication was? What was it? The New York Times? Oh, wow.

Minutes before starting here at I think it is right a few minutes before. And I know you brought you got some stuff going on with the Conference, I probably got a check on Darren at some point. Yeah.

Can you tell us about tonight? I don't know if anybody's out there in Nashville listening. Is everyone allowed to get in that or is this a no.

I believe if you want to if you want to meet up with him and if you want to just go talk to Darren. If you're here, let's look for Darren down and say hey I want I want to have a drink with you tonight cool and just chit-chat and yeah.

Yeah, and hobnob and all this sort of stuff. We can so cool bring our own sticks, right? Very cool. Yeah. Well, thank you Jeremiah Jeremiah. Thank you so much for stopping in and saying. Hello. Introducing yourself to our listeners and viewers guys.

Make sure you're listening to cultish you're following cultish such a great idea. I appreciate what you do and thank you. You're such a great brother in the Lord. Do you have anything else? You want to tell anyone before you get off here?

Yeah, well, I just again. I just want to emphasize that you know, we're in a unique environment. Opportunity so like our our show was really inspired by dr. Walter Martin. Okay. He wrote the book Kingdom of the cults.

Which is what still to this day is the best definitive work on the subject of just the broad variety of cults and world religions. Really was a pioneer in media in his day and back then it was really just audio.

Audio tape cassettes, right and here that's how you just mass distribute all of his lectures out there. And he had such a broad variety. The guy was a walking library. Yeah, and so yeah, I think in the same way of Walter Martin was here today like he would be podcasting.

He would be posting on social media. He would even so even this like took this out. You may think this is crazy, but even like tick-tock. Yeah, there's there's 600 million users there and why and then there's a lot more to the podcast.

Are you guys on that? I just joined it. And the funny thing is like the most comments we got was a clip I put out there from Walter Martin started some controversy. Is Walter Martin's first appearance on tick-tock?

But yeah, so I mean there's there's so many opportunities right now. And you just you've got to go in and just get your hands dirty and be consistent and and just just get out there with Your message and that's that's really I think it is really cool though to be able to you know Emphasize kind of what Wally had talked about how he wanted to use media to get the word out to the world of the kingdom.

Of the cult so yeah, and yeah that whatever you did. Yeah, so whatever your niche is like learn how to just get learn how to get better. I mean you're gonna you're gonna have your challenges on. When we first launched our show we were going to look Episodes hmm we didn't realize like oh, we forgot to open up an iTunes account.

So all of a sudden like oh shoot, they're not there we forgot to open up the account. So we had to go and like we had a open up an account. We we still we still premiered that day, right?

I've been there since the beginning brother. Yeah, I've been there since that first episode. Oh, I love the content on your show. It is so helpful to you know because I My church never dealt with a lot of those topics.

Yeah, you know like we've already been talking about so yeah. It's been it's been a blessing man. It's awesome man. Much yeah, glory to God. Yeah, Jason's geeking out a little bit right. Yeah, I mean Durbin, and then you know it's pretty awesome man.

I'm glad to be a great weekend. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Thank you so much. I'm fine.

I'm looking forward to this beer and Psalms here in a couple minutes now. Grab your beer yeah. All right, thanks a lot for coming on and that's Jera Maya Roberts everyone. Thank you so much brother. We're gonna wrap up here guys.

We're just about ready to get started down here at fight laugh feast. We're live streaming live podcasting. We'll be uploading all these later on today. We're getting ready and as always be sure to tune in follow us dead men walking podcast just about anywhere on social media.

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