Introducing Greek Vocabulary

Greek Alphabet as a Learning Tool

Oh good evening everyone. Oh don't seem so excited. You guys sound like you're half asleep. That's okay. I understand this is getting towards the end of your work week and coming into coming into a class where you're looking at a whole different language and everything looks like hieroglyphics and looks a little strange.

It's a lot to take in but I'm glad you're here. I'm glad that you're continuing on. I'm glad that you want to be a part of this class. Tonight we are going to be in the first part of the class. We're going to be taking our time and going slowly to try to make sure you've all learned the alphabet.

Now if you came in tonight uh if has anyone not signed in? There you go. Thank you. If you came in tonight and you learned the alphabet and you're perfect and you've got it your pronunciation is correct you've you've you've mastered it all then praise and amen.

The first half of this class is just going to reinforce everything that you have spent all week practicing. If you're having trouble with alphabet then this first part of the class is just going to hopefully overcome some of the difficulties you may be having.

Now uh I'm not I said in and I was set free this morning and uh I was talking and and the guys asked me what if we get there tonight and they don't and and it's not completely memorized is that okay? And I said no you have to quit if you didn't memorize.

Now I said I said no it's fine um that's what this class is all about that's why we're going slow because honestly the alphabets that's a big hurdle and even though you know I said take a week and learn it I understand that sometimes it takes a little longer for for certain things to get into our mind.

So what we're going to do tonight we're going to begin with the alphabet and we're I'm going to teach you something that helped me years ago learn the alphabet. Sorry I'm very parched I'm just got to keep keep my whistle wet.

Uh the Greek alphabet is it can be learned by song. Brother Mark sent out a song on Facebook that was kind of like a rap uh uh it was a very rhythmic uh alphabetic gamma delta you know it was very very uh very cool.

So if you learned it from that that's great. Last week I gave you I guess the more nerdy version of mama's little baby goes shortening shortening you know alphabetic gamma delta that's sort of like the way you learned the ABCs when you were a kid.

How many of you learned the ABCs by song? A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P. You remember that? Now I know this. When I got older they said you shouldn't do it that way because you don't know the alphabet you know a song.

I was like no I know the alphabet and they said well what's the alphabet? Now A, B, C, D, E, F, G yeah because it was in the song that's how I remembered it but it is what I know it's like the books of the Old Testament.

My kids and I sing you know Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, First and Second Samuel, First and Second Kings, First and Second Chronicles, that's all first and second and we go through the song and my six-year-old knows all the books of the Old Testament because of that song.

So you know there's nothing wrong with mnemonic devices. There's nothing wrong with using these things to help you learn but eventually what you want to be able to do is not just say the alphabet but identify the letters with the alphabet and know how they are supposed to sound and again pronunciation is a bit of a wild card because we're using the Erasmus pronunciation so there is some debate to that and we're not going to we're not going to go too far with that but ultimately the point is I'm going to tell you how I want it to sound if you're going to say it for the sake of the class and the book will follow the pronunciations I'm giving you.

So tonight we're going to go through the alphabet again and we're also going to go through the sounds and I want you to think of this the way that you make sounds with your mouth is actually different for different types of letters.

You have labials which means that you use your lips so for instance say the say mom say mom mom now say it without putting your lips together you can't you can't you because mom ma ma ma uses the lips it's it's a labial now say dog do it without putting your tongue against the back of your front teeth duh duh you can't because duh duh is a dental.

You're using your teeth right now say uh say lady now do that without moving your tongue la la lady right. That's a that's a glossal. You're using your tongue all right. So whether you're using your tongue or your lips or your teeth or your guttural guh guh guh guh comes from the the the throat call that a guttural um depending on and that's english true but greek you know that helps when you start thinking of not only what are the letters but what is the sound of the letters.

So that's what we're going to start with tonight we're going to go through the alphabet slowly and remember we're not in a hurry tonight. I have intentionally only had us down to do one lesson in class and we're going to do that at the later part of class because I wanted to spend as much time as necessary learning the letters and the sounds that go with the letters.

Greek Vowels and Consonants

Okay all right. So alpha is ah ah alpha ah ah like apple or father ah ah right. So what's an what's the ah ah do say ah ah with your teeth together. You can't ah ah. It's it's it's that's how you're making that sound and that's the way it's always going to sound.

It's always going to sound like the ah and father right. Or the ah ah now beta beta now I know that in sometimes we're going to say beta. You're fine. You're not going to offend me but understand this if we're following the rules of Greek grammar beta is spelled um beta epsilon tau alpha which would not be pronounced beta it would be pronounced betta right.

And that's why we call it the alpha bet not the alpha bait all right. So just just for that point you may say beta. I'm not going to correct you but I try to remember to say beta all right. So and it's bop bop.

It's a labial bop bop using my lips right. What's this. Look like hangman. What is that also called gallows. So what letter is that the gamma gamma. It's like I went over to gamma's house and had cookies and then we watched somebody get hung.

No yeah it's from the south. Yeah uh no. So we have gamma which is our g sound. Notice. There's not notice. It follows similar to the English a b c d but in Greek it's a b g d right. Because there's no c the c sound uh the c is uh not a letter that is used in Greek.

In fact I don't think it should be used in English. C is a useless letter. I'll explain why c doesn't have its own sound. C makes a caca sound and that's k or c makes a sasa sound and that's s. C does not have its own distinct sound therefore it shouldn't exist.

But it does just to confuse. Well that that again is not you. It's pairing with this with the h. It does make the cha cha sound which is more in in. This would be the ha ha sound which is in uh which is key which is for Christ right.

Ha ha sound. Uh. And that's where we get our cha which is why Christ is pronounced Christ. But but it's spelled trist like Charles. It's spelled ch all right all right. So alpha. Ah beta baba gamma ga ga ga delta da da right.

Y 'all can do this with me if you want it's. I mean if it's helpful epsilon epsilon like egg. Uh uh these are by the way. And I guess I could be making the note uh these are our these are our vowels in Greek.

Yes there are vowels and consonants. So in our first series here we have two vowels the alpha and the epsilon. I know that's hard for you to see. Dear. So I'll move it a little. Where is that better. Not really we have megadesk here this is I need to put these on higher uh.

But yeah the alpha and the epsilon are the are the uh vowels going down the next of the list we have what is the letter zeta. Zeta or zeta. Depending on how you want to say it. Uh zeta let me gives the zza sound.

It's the same as our z. Uh as far as the sound is concerned zza. Now the next one is also a vowel but this vowel is known as what. There you go. Eta eta. This is where you get the long a. You don't get the long a from alpha.

That's the the the short a. Ah the aa sound is in eta. Next letter theta. Theta. Yeah that one's the one most people you know are just going to say theta because you're so used to it. You think of like uh uh what are those uh greek uh university clubs or the sororities fraternities.

Yeah and they say that you know the theta moves or whatever. And that's where a lot of people are used to hearing these letters is in the academic sense. But theta is how I would try to say it. Um and it's the the theta.

So the noise that it's going to make is the it's the same as the th in english. Um thinking about this think about um theology. The word theology means what study of god. It's based on the root word theos which is the word for god and logos which is the word for word.

And so theology is the words about god or the study of god and so they are logos or theology. So there's also something in the greek new testament. You'll you probably won't run into this just studying.

But if you ever look at any of the original uh language manuscripts there's something called the nomena sacra. The nomena sacra is where in an attempt to save space and save paper because paper was a precious commodity when the bible was being copied they would reduce the name of god to simply the letter theta.

And so if you come across in a manuscript just the theta it can the that can reference theos the just that letter. Um in fact there's a major textual question what we call a textual variant in the new testament where it says god was manifest in the flesh and huas or the or he who was manifest in the flesh.

If you have a modern translation it'll say he who was manifested in the flesh. If you have a king james bible it will say god was manifest in the flesh. And the difference is literally one stroke of a letter because it's the difference between the omicron and the theta.

It's a major textual variant based on one mark in a letter yes theos in greek yes would be theta epsilon omicron sigma. You wouldn't have to again in english it's th eos but there's no th. It's th is theta.

So is this helpful to go slow like this. Is this being helpful. All right. The next letter iota iota also a vowel sound and it is the vowel igloo. Igloo would be the sound that it would make. Yeah in fact if you look at your sheet it'll tell you the sounds.

So in this it says the i in pit. Um it can also have a long sound of e um so that's really just uh there'll be certain words where you'll where you'll say eota instead of eota. But it can have either sound depending on the surrounding letters.

And you say well how do we know which is which. Well you might not. In the beginning you take some studies sort of like english right. There are certain words that don't make any sense until you learn that word in context.

All right. Kappa you know kappa you'll never get me kappa you know kappa kappa uh kappa kappa is um the k k k sound k sound. That's easy. Lambda la la la lambda. It's a it's a gloss. It's a making the sound with your tongue.

Mu mu now we could say mu but it's mu and it looks like an m and it sounds like an m. New looks like a v when the lowercase looks like an n in the uppercase but in the lowercase it looks like a v and that is the new sound.

All right to see is the next one or x c x c. You can say it that way like an x x. Um brother last week mentioned xavier that's a word that would would be a greek derivative uh x x or that that the noise is actually in the middle it's the sound is is what that's making.

Omicron. Ah as in like offer p. Oh missed one vowel. I want to point these out because you know if you think about how words typically work is they're all words are going to have some vowels in them and so if you understand how the vowels sound you'll you'll understand how the words are to be to be understood.

And and and you have things called uh syllables. Right. Just like in english you know you have like the word construct has two syllables construct and typically the reason for the syllables is is you're combining uh words and ideas.

So structure is the root of construct. The the con at the beginning is latin it means with. So to construct means to with or give structure right. So to construct something is to give it structure. Uh construction i o n at the end that's the suffix and that creates that creates the noun.

It's construction. It's what you're doing. It's a or the rather yes the it's the action that's the verb rather. I'm sorry uh well construction can be either right if you're doing the construction it's verb.

If well i think about that for a second which is it what's construction is a verb or noun. I can't think. Yeah it's a noun because it's it's it's a thing. Construction is a thing. And but you're constructing is the verb.

Yeah i'm just my brain's all over the place. Next one is your p p looks like pillars. So there's your p and it sounds just like p in english p p p. All right. The next one looks like a p. But it's not this one will throw you off the most as i said last week because it actually makes the ra ra sound.

It's row and it makes the r sound. Rah rah rah. Sigma makes the sesa sound. The s sound. It like soup sesa. And it has the unique thing about sigma is what sigma it's written two different ways. The lower case is either going to be closed or open depending on whether it's in the middle or the end.

Right. And that's basically what you what it is is. You've got closed open. It's it's sort of the same shape. It's just you're either closing it or opening it and the only time you'd open it would be at the end.

More Greek Letters and the Letter X as Christ

Towel. Oh good evening brother. All right. So tau is ta ta ta makes the same t sound that our english t would make oop oop salon. Oop salon is a vowel. Thank you. So we're identifying our vowel letters.

Brother all the ones that are squared huh. Salon and oop salon. You know you gotta pronounce those differently. Yeah. Um but very close. Yes. And oops salon makes more rather than the up up sound that we think of like a u it's more like the ooh ooh as in like hoop uh uh and so or boot ooh ooh sound uh is is what we're getting with oops salon.

Now the next one is fee. Fee is the ph in phone or the f in everything else that makes the f sound fine feeling funny. All that would would be for the fee. All right. The fee or key is the x. Now this has an interesting history.

How many of you have ever heard someone say that you shouldn't use the x in christmas because you're taking away the name of jesus. You probably heard someone say that. And actually it's not true. The x in english is the greek key and it is the first letter in the name of christ.

So putting the x in front of the xmas is a way of giving a similar to the nomena sacra that i mentioned earlier taking the name of christ and bringing it down to a single letter. Because while god it can be brought down to the single letter of theta christ can be bring brought down to the single letter of key the the x representing christ.

Now my bigger issue is not with christmas and the x. It's more with the mass part and tying it to the mass of the roman catholic church. But that's another conversation. So if we're going to drop something so we've got hey that was easier to do with ice in my mouth.

Hey uh what's that letter above. That that last uh last one. See see. Yeah see as i said last week think about a trident. That's every time i see that letter i think a trident and i think about it popping a balloon and i think of the balloon going.

That's the noise it would make. Well it'd go pop but it would if it made a small hole it'd make that sound. And that's the think about the word psoriasis. What does the word psoriasis begin with a p. It's a.

It's a. It's a big time spelling spelling b word. Because when you say spell psoriasis people go s and they go it's like pterodactyl which starts with a p all right. It doesn't make sense but it does if you think about the fact that psoriasis is a greek rooted word.

If you see a word that starts with that sound it's probably greek just like if you see any word in english that has a ph for the f sound that's a greek word or at least has a greek uh etymology. If you see a word in english that has an f f etymology unless it's been changed it's probably not from greek uh so that's how you can differentiate.

That's how you know phone and fine two different words and but both have the same first sound but both have different letters because they have different uh histories language histories. English is a english first of all it's a hodgepodge.

It's a mess. It's horrible. But it's also a combination of so many languages that if you know english you don't realize that you know parts part and parcel of many other languages latin latin german and all kinds of yeah languages have distilled into into our uh into our language.

Finally we have the omega also a vowel also a uh o sound but not the short o. The short o is the omicron. The long o which i always think of omicron i always think about it sounds like a transformer. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm not the only one who thought i like omicron prime uh yes or unicron or whatever from the transformers. So you got omicron which is the ah sound uh and then you have omega which is the o o sound.

And so now i want to tell you a tale and i want to first of all before i start this i want to tell you two things. One i didn't invent this and two if if you think that i'm a weirdo well buckle up because this is weird but when i tell you this story i tell you it helped me leaps and bounds when i was learning the greek alphabet and um you may look you may hear it the first time and say that was the dumbest thing i ever heard and that's okay.

You may think i'm a weirdo that's okay but just understand this some people learn differently and this is right up my brain alley. So when you're learning the greek alphabet and you're trying to remember things the first five letters are the easiest ones because they're simply they're just like english right.

Except for the g and the c are replaced. So if you can put in your mind i don't have a c i have a g. It's alpha beta gamma delta epsilon. That's pretty easy and you can do that fairly easy right. But then where we really have our first hang up is in the second column with zeta.

So now i'm going to tell you the story but the story is going to start here because my assumption is everybody probably knows these. You know this the zeta eta theta. You've heard this story. Yeah. Okay all right all right.

This is a story about a man and his wife. Okay you wouldn't you wouldn't did it help. You have you done it. Okay all right. This is a story about a man and his wife. The woman's name is zeta. And yes i'm i'm breaking my own rule right away.

This is supposed to be zeta but for the rule for the for the story we're going to say zeta and zeta is hungry. So zeta eta theta. And that's how you're going to remember that she ate a theta and that's what made her not hungry.

And her husband yoda wore a kappa and the two raised lambdas and the lambdas made noise. They went moo new moo new. And one day yoda was out and he saw his lambs eating his corn. He said oh my corn omicron.

So to make him happy his wife took him to a ball game where he got to see p row pete rose play ball. And after the game as pete rose was walking by he said you're my hero. And so he gave him his towel.

Oh wait no pete rose had a sigma on his kappa on his hat and he gave him his towel. Well as they were walking out to the car zeta slipped and she said oops salon when she fell. And the guy who was taking the money said no charge fee keep c.

Fee keep c. And there's no real reason for the omega. But you know that's last. But that's the dumbest story. But i promise you the one that it will help you with the most is fee keep c. Somebody tries to pay and say no fee keep c.

You keep the money. Okay. Was that the dumbest thing you've ever heard. Close in it ain't it funny though i've not told that story in years. I remembered it off the top of my head because it takes you through the letters.

First time i saw it i'm like this guy's lost his mind. I told myself 20 minutes later going let's go back to that zeta eta theta and her husband yoda wore a and they raised lambdas. And the lambdas went.

He saw him eating his corn. He said oh my corn. And the wife took him to the baseball game to make him happy. And he saw his favorite player p row pete rose who had a sigma on his hat and he gave him his towel.

And as they're walking out the wife slipped and went oops salon. My kids love that. That's the way i teach my kids. And when we get to oops salon they go oops salon and make a big deal about oops salon.

And so the man taking the money said no charge fee keep c. Right there fee keep c. You'll remember it now. Won't you. So there we go. So now what we're going to do is we're going to have some fun. We're going to take a break not from class.

We're going to take a break from me talking. I'm going to give you a few minutes in class. Hopefully you'll have paper and pen. I want you to write your full name in greek sounding. Using the sounding letters of your name just on your notes.

It's fine keeping your notebook. It's not something for you to show me. And once you've done it we're going to go around the room and do a few on the board. The greek sound. So remind me i know your name but just rebecca.

So it would be ra ra r ro. Right. So that would be the first letter. Epsilon would be. So write it with the greek letters. There is no j sound. J is a germanic sound. The this is why we know jesus wasn't called jesus.

Joshua wasn't called joshua. None of that. Because j is a later introduction. It's a german sound. And that's why we know god's name is not jehovah. Uh so if your name starts with a j just replace it with a gamma.

That's fine. Actually actually in greek it would be replaced with an iota. It would be yohan. Yohan. But that's what. John. Right. Yohan. So yeah do that. Are you going to do your first and last name.

Uh yes. I want you to do the whole thing just for fun. W there isn't really what was. There's not a lot of sound. So uh what will you. Uh. Well we'll we'll let's say billy. And right. Right billy. I'm trying to think if there's a there's not a uh.

You could do. You could do a uh diphthong the alpha. Uh upsilon would make ow i will i will. But just go billy. It's good. What. What sound does it make in your name. I would say the kappa would probably be the closest.

Yeah. The k over the hb. Well what's uh for john. It wouldn't be because you're just making the sound john. So it would just be uh. It would actually be the first letter. Be iota. Because it's yon it'd be iota.

Omicron new. That would. That would be all it is. Do they do two l's in greek. If you do two l's the first one gets a uh. None sound. So. No not. It would just for you. It would be beta uh or betta iota lambda.

Uh iota billy or bill. It would just be. You wouldn't say you wouldn't write e in the line. Just put the uh iota. Because the iota makes the same time. Do it by sound. Yes. By sound.

We gotta do a lesson. Oh boy.

So my art i think b. What are we getting b for. Uh there's not. There's not a b. So uh what's the. What's your last name. Badman. I would i would i would do it with the ph. The the the theme essence. Just like in steven.

You can replace that. By the way that's how we know. Steven with ph is great. Because it's. Yes. No we don't have w. Uh just uh i would just start with the a more now. Oy is omicron iota. We're going to go over diphthongs in just a minute.

No no no h. You don't like my last name anymore. It's pretty awesome. Um yeah o 'neill starts with an omega and then it goes to the new iota and then the lambda. Yeah o 'neill. Yeah. John's a little iffy.

Jan o 'neill. Yeah. Looks like a new tattoo. Right there. That's all right. I want in addition to your homework this week you should all write a love letter in greek. Write a letter to someone you love.

Maybe your spouse. Maybe your uh. Decode this. Remember the movie christmas story where he gets the decoder ring. Well you guys all have a special decoding language. Now you can. That's funny. I'm sorry i.

Which which. Uh. Well that would be uh upsilon. Yeah. It'd be humble. Humble. Uh. It'd be ilson. There's no w. So.

Can you have uh can you have a letter repeated.

Yeah but you have to say both of them so you wouldn't need to repeat unless it was too like abraham was two days. What was yours. You would only need one sigma. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a way to accent the the front to give it the ha ha sound.

There are accent letters. If you accent it looks like a apostrophe above the letter. Yeah. And it tells you whether to go ha or just ah if you if you're dealing with a letter. All right. Everybody. Pretty much good.

No no. Let's do a couple on the board just for fun. Easy one uh would be mark. Uh. Okay so we have mu we have alpha row kappa. All right. All right. So that would be mark. Now if you look on your uh if you look at a great new testament it will begin.

It'll say kata mark on or the gospel according to mark. So so that's this is what. This is just the addition. But mark is your name. That's you. All right. What's another one. Fee row fee row alpha. That's good.

That works. What's another one. Oh nil. We can put a little something here separate. Oh nil. Oh nil. Let's do another one. Yes sir. All right. I got you. Uh that that one's kind of hard to draw. Wait a minute.

Did you say he is it. That is it the x or the or the uh. Chi chi. Okay. Okay. All right. So mu epsilon chi or key. What's your uh. Remind me your name bro michael. Michael. Yeah. All right. Here's where this is gonna be something that we have to look at diphthongs.

Do you guys know what a diphthong is when you take two letters and it makes a new sound. So for instance if i take the sound o in english it makes the ah sound. But if i put o i together that becomes a diphthong and it makes oi.

So if i put a b and an l on that it becomes boil. If i take the l off it becomes oil. Right. The o and the i create a new sound when they're put together that's called a diphthong. Well greek has that as well.

So if i want the i in michael i'm going to have to use two letters because there's no i because iota makes the e not the ii. Right. So if i want to make the i sound in uh in it would be like this. You'd have the month for michael.

And then i would do alpha iota together make the long i sound and then it would be my cow like that. All right. So you have to if you pull out your sheet everybody pull this sheet out. You'll see the the diphthongs are there.

So you can create the book too in the lesson too. Yeah it shows you a few pairs of them. Yep. So again this week spend some time. Write a love letter to your loved one. Tell them how you love them in greek.

You know what's funny. I heard i heard mark lowry say this years ago he was talking about how in the ancient world they would talk about how their seed of the emotions. You know in our modern world the seed of the emotions is the heart.

I love you with all my heart. Right. But in the ancient world it was the it was the loins it was the it was the uh guts. And they would they would they would use that that was the seed of the emotions was the was the guts.

So it'd be something you know like uh i just i love you with all my guts. Yeah you make my liver quiver. I don't know what you guys can say but but yeah however you want to if you write a few sentences write a few things in english with greek letters and that helps you create a phonetic understanding of the language.

Greek Diphthongs and Prepositions

All right. How would you create a b sound. I would say fa because like just like va and fa are so similar. I would just i would i would replace it with that j. Yeah. Yeah like i said like john in old english john was yan right.

And um even today you'll still meet some people who have their name is spelled j-a-n but they pronounce it yan right. Uh. Okay so that takes us through the alphabet. Let's look at our diphthongs real quick making our sounds with the diphthongs first one i've already given to you we've already talked about the alpha and the iota make the i sound and we and you can see this on your notes the english this it grabs it and uses it in the word isle right.

Doesn't that drive you crazy. That that's how we spell isle. We absolutely should not spell isle like that. Well isle for island. Yes. But like the isle at the grocery store is that. And for some reason we carry over the greek the alpha and the iota.

Uh diphthong. And so anytime you see an alpha iota diphthong that's making the i sound. That's probably a greek root word. All right. Next is ow i think about i'm sorry i'm thinking about a e .t. ow yeah.

All right. I'm such a nerd. Okay so ow like in the word like an owl. That's the sound that you want. That's the sound you're getting like an owl. What's the next one. It's a long a sound right. We don't have a long a sound in greek.

What do we have. We have the alpha which is the short a sound. So we get the long a sound by putting together epsilon and iota. Oh that hurt. Yeah. Now what english word immediately comes to mind. Eight.

Who said that. Yeah eight right. You spell the word eight with using the same prefix or not prefix but the same first two letters the same diphthong. All right. And it makes the a a sound. Okay the next one is u as in epsilon.

Epsilon and this is if you think of u like in u. Next one we talked about this one earlier boy as an oil right. And then you have omicron. Upsilon gives you the not but i think like boot. How the canadians say.

What are you talking about boot. Instead of about say a boot. And canadians here that's right. What are you talking about. All right. Last one is we we epsilon iota makes the we sound and you say well where do we get that in english.

Sweet. Think about when you go to a hotel and you pay for a suite. It shouldn't be spelled this way. But it is because it's taking the we sound. All right. I took you notice. I gave you some different ones.

And what's on here. Because i'm trying to help you connect it to the english. Excuse me. Oh it's josiah. I don't know who that was but i thought it was some rando guy just kind of walking in here. I was about to cut class short.

Okay i just saw the back of his head. Scared me. Yes sir all right. So epsilon is you. Yeah.

And there's no j. Then how would you spell jude uh.

Yoda and then jerusalem or judea. Well it as i said earlier jud the j sound is a germanic edition everything in the bible that starts with a j whether it's jew or judea or jesus or jacob would actually begin with an iota so it would be for judea it would be iota upsilon delta.

Yeah yoda. Okay. Yeah yoda not judah. Yeah. Well jude would be alpha after that because it'd be yuda. So like short like jew. How does it look. I don't remember what jew is. I think it's i think it's yuda because because we say jew but they would have said a yuda.

Yeah. Yeah. So um i imagine we'd see that quite often. Yeah. And again um think about like judaizers. Right. We talked about that on our in our in our galatian study they would have been the yudaizers the yudaizers.

Yudaizers. Um but yeah there's no j sound. And again this is why when the jehovah witnesses come a knocking well actually i don't i i i have i it's just not jehovah. That's not his name. That's not the argument to have with jehovah witnesses.