Georgia's Abortion Law, Gen Z's Conservative Shift, Re: Horton on America's Founding, & More

Georgia’s Abortion Hearing and the Battle Over Liberalism

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So with that, I wanna jump into things here. We have a lot to talk about, and the first thing I wanted to get to is this bill. It is the HB441 bill, and that is in the state of Georgia. And I'm not gonna read the whole thing for you, but essentially it's an equal protection bill, meaning that it protects people who are inside the womb just as much as it would people outside the womb.

That's the intention, at least. So if you can't murder someone outside the womb, you shouldn't be able to murder someone inside the womb. You can check it out yourself. If you go online, just type in any search engine, Georgia House Bill 441.

Now, there was a hearing about this, and I saw some videos, no national news stories that I could see are covering this, but I saw on my own ex-feed some people who are putting clips of this out there, and this is one of the exchanges that got a lot of attention, and I wanna play it for you and talk about it a little bit.

So here it is from, I believe, yesterday, the House hearing on this equal protection bill.

I'm Esther Panitch, and you're not from here, so I'll assume you don't know, but I'm the only Jewish representative in the state of Georgia. Judaism posits that the life of the mother is more important than the life of an unborn.

Are you telling me that I don't have a right to my religious liberty?

Well, no, everyone would appeal to an ultimate authority over all of us, and one of the things that I respect and admire about Judaism is that we share the same scriptures, the Torah, the Talmud, and, not the Talmud, sorry, the Torah and the law, the prophets, and scripture does teach, without question, that from fertilization, all human life begins, and that we are uniquely made by God, created in the wombs of our mothers, and known by God.

And so, with that, Judaism, as well as Christianity, would teach that every human being must be protected and given equal justice. One of the laws of Moses that's repeated over and over is no partiality, we treat everybody equally.

And the point that I was making, Representative, and I appreciate you asking the question, was the same point that can be used in terms of our Jewish brothers and sisters, where there was a time in history where there was a class of people that drew a circle around themselves, the Germans, the SS, and said that we can oppress our Jewish brothers and sisters, that we can treat them with abuse, we can kill them.

My point, Representative, was that we've had this problem in history many times over, where a class of human beings says to another class of human beings, we can oppress you, we can kill you, we can murder you.

And what we're saying with this bill is that every human being is made in God's image and deserves to be equally protected.

Sure.

Everyone valued, women, men, children.

I understand that, but Judaism does not posit that life begins at fertilization. It says that it's like water until 40 days. And the way you know this is look at Israel. Abortion is readily available, and it's free.

So please don't misstate what my religion tells me is my duty, if I am at risk, if my life is at risk, I may not only be, it may not only be suggested of me to have an abortion, but required of me to have an abortion because a life in being, my life, takes priority over something that is not, has not been born yet.

So how do I exercise my religious liberty under your bill if it was adopted?

Well, thank you for the question, Representative, but the answer to two of those main questions, the first one is that when I was referring to Judaism, that the Jewish religion is based upon the Old Testament scriptures, the law and the prophets.

I am well aware, yes.

There's no question that the view that came later you're describing is not in the law and the prophets, it's later Jewish tradition. That's just the point I wanna make to that. The next point is that this particular bill says nothing towards the case that you're bringing up where your life is in danger.

This bill is about equal protection for all human beings in the womb. It's about the preservation of life. If your life were in danger because of a pregnancy in very rare instances, very infinitesimally small.

I'm not just talking about physically. Emotionally, psychologically, those are exceptions to which allow a Jewish woman to have an abortion if they need one.

If I may respond to that, that's a very good point. We wouldn't in our current justice system allow a woman who murders her six-year-old child by drowning him in the bathtub. To get away with the argument, I was emotionally struggling, I didn't feel like I could care for this baby.

You know that's not the same thing. I'm talking about things, an unborn child compared to, let me finish my question, please. An unborn child versus a life in being, which would be the mother. So under your bill, could I exercise my religious liberty if I felt, along in consultation with my rabbi, that I needed an abortion, and my doctor, that I needed an abortion for survival, whether that's physical survival or mental survival.

And the point I was making to you is that the human being in the womb is the same.

This is something you can answer with a yes or no. Under my hypothetical and your bill, could I exercise my religious liberty?

We don't believe that anybody has the right to, with malice aforethought, take the life of another human being in an unjustified manner. So equal protection for all humans means that nobody can say to another human being, I'm gonna take your life with malice aforethought in an unjustified manner.

Okay, so your answer is no. I can't, if I believe that I

You can't kill your baby, no.

Okay. That's the clip that I saw going around, and it's a, there's several things in there that stand out to me. The first one is, I think Jeff Durbin did a great job, and in fact, taking advantage of the fact that this was someone who wanted to critique the bill from a Jewish perspective.

Bringing up the Holocaust was probably a smart move on his end, just to try to create a moral parallel there. But you quickly saw that this particular individual, and there was later a rabbi who came, and I won't play that video, both wanted to use their Judaism as the reason for why abortion should be legal.

Now, I haven't looked at any stats. I'm actually not sure if there are stats on this. I know Jewish people of really any stripe, just about. I mean, the way that the polls are conducted are, they don't get into specific sects of Judaism, but religious Jews, we'll put it that way, overwhelmingly tend to vote for Democrats.

There have been exceptions to this. I noticed with Donald Trump, for some reason, did make inroads into, even where I live in New York, to New York Jewish communities, and I think part of that was the experience of COVID, and you had to be here to see what happened during that time.

We had de Blasio saying things like, my message to the Jewish people is stand down, and things like this, and because you had Hasidics in New York City that just said, you know what, we're not abiding by any of this, and would break the locks off of playground gates, and go use those facilities, and meet, and so I think there might be some shifts going on, but in general, those who practice whatever form of the Jewish religion they practice tend to be on the left, and most immigrants groups do, but I think what you just heard from that particular representative is the nub of the issue, and I think Jeff Durbin got to the heart of it, that yes, there's a shared understanding, the Apostle Paul even talks about this, that there is obviously shared revelation, when Jewish people, at least if they're practicing Old Testament type Judaism, when they talk about the God of the Old Testament, they are talking about the God of Christianity, but the issue is, since that point in time, there has been so much tradition, and the Talmud, of course, but just, I mean, you go into any religious Jewish person's home, and I've done this many, many, many times, you will see walls of, it looks like a library, there is just walls of books, and it's, if you ever ask, it's their religious writings, it's the traditions, it's what they're studying, it's, you know, you think I have a big Bible here, it is nothing, it is nothing compared to all the writings that seek to interpret and reinterpret, and honestly, torture the meaning of scripture, and that's what you have there, and so this is just one thing I wanted to point out, there's a few things, first of all, I think that was a great job by Jeff Durbin, Pastor Jeff Durbin, and that's a great way to deal with this kind of thing, but the other thing was just to point out that, when you hear a lot of these things in our political discourse, especially from, you might say, an older generation of people on the right about affinity for Israel, and affinity for the Jewish religion, sometimes slipping into saying things that frankly are heretical, and I have heard things like, well, they're safe through keeping the law, we're safe through Jesus, I have heard that, I'm not kidding you, I'm not saying that's the common thing, it's not, but there is an odd kind of dynamic at play there, and when you heard this representative talk about Israel, and how abortions are common, they're accessible, they're free, and she could have gone on if she wanted to, and talked about homosexuality, Israel is a liberal state, and I know I've said this before, but I don't think most of the members of Congress or people who support Israel are even motivated by a dispensational framework or anything like that, I think maybe some justify it with that, but I think the bottom line is, it really comes down to this, and this is a point I made in my book, Against the Waves, Christian Order in a Liberal Age, liberalism is a religion in and of itself, I put out a video yesterday of this, and Israel, to some extent, represents what that looks like in practice, and that's why I think it's treated like a Western democracy, a Western liberal state in the Middle East, in a place where you have a lot of enthusiasm for a pre-modern arrangement, and so that's, I think, motivating the vast majority of this, it's what you just heard that lady, that representative articulate, these are the values of Israel, and of course, they put a religious veneer over the top of it to justify it morally, but fundamentally, that's what it's about, you can make your own decisions, you can pursue your own ends, and then you can sanctify it by claiming that it's somehow in keeping with your religion, but it really didn't matter what religion it was, because liberalism knows no boundaries, and can really infiltrate just about any religion, let me give you an example, because I saw some people online saying, Judaism is evil, this is Judaism, like sharing this clip around, and this is, but let me share this with you, and this is food for thought.

Reverend Emily Walker Cornetta and the Christian Defense of Abortion

This is Reverend Emily Walker Cornetta, I am an Atlanta resident, I live in Fulton County, I'm an assisting priest at St. Luke's Episcopal Church in Midtown, I'm grateful for the opportunity to speak to you today.

For eight years, I worked as a perinatal hospital chaplain, ministering to pregnant patients and their families, grappling with serious fetal or maternal medical conditions, sometimes both, I would, over these years, I would sit with families of many different faiths, as they processed a situation, they never in a million years thought they would ever have to face, they'd work their way through impossible questions, questions like, if they continued the pregnancy, what would their baby's life be like?

How much their child would have to suffer? Whether they'd be able to parent this child, what this birth would mean for their other living children, and on and on and on, and over these years of listening, what I saw in these families was the opposite of indifference, I saw love, a weighty sense of responsibility, and a clear-eyed awareness of the kind of life they would wanna give a child, and grief about what was actually possible, given the realities that they were facing, and all of this listening over the years taught me that women and families need to be trusted and empowered to make difficult moral decisions about pregnancy and their families, and I'll conclude with this, you are hearing a lot of vocal Christians in here preaching to you that Christianity teaches that abortion under any circumstance is a sin, and please understand, they do not speak for all Christians, not today in this country, and certainly not over centuries of Christian witness and practice, you're also hearing a lot about protecting life, and I believe that we must protect life here in Georgia, let us, to do that, let us please invest in systems of care and support rather than systems of punishment, this bill claims to be on the side of life, but it is demeaning and cruel, and it will only bring about more death.

Okay, the voice you just heard there is from Reverend Emily Walker Cornetta of St. Luke's Episcopal Church in Atlanta, of course, though, I understand she lives there, but she is also the executive director of the Episcopal Divinity School in New York City, and I actually posted on X, I said, this is what Yankee religion brought South looks like, so I obviously have my own biases and so forth, but you had several pastors in that room, some of them local, some of them not, all supporting this bill, HB441, and then you into that saw a reverend, a female reverend, so-called, coming in to defend it on Christian grounds, and she was not the only one, by the way, I'm not gonna play the clip, but there was another representative, another female representative that was also claiming as a Christian that she had to oppose this and that there are circumstances in which abortion is morally good and using that Christianity, again, to justify, and so this is the question I wanna pose to people out there is when you're looking at this, I've noticed much of the discourse on X likes to break this down into one thing, and I don't think most people saw the clip I just played, but it's Jewish people, it's Judaism or Jewish religion, that's the enemy, that's the problem here, I saw others breaking it down into, no, it's women, it's women that are in clerical roles, that's the problem, or in political roles, leadership roles in those two occasions, and there's another thought I wanna introduce here, I think there's something else, and of course, I've just gotten off, I've stopped writing, I finished writing my book, Against the Waves, Christian Order in a Liberal Age, and I'm just now getting off the topic of liberalism, I'm kinda still on it because I'm doing all these interviews on it, but it's been in my mind a lot, and I honestly think, you can look at things this way, the ways I just described, you can say that, yeah, women are gonna have these maternal instincts, and when they get corrupted, they end up, there's this discussion about toxic empathy, and women tend to be more vulnerable to these things, and so they're gonna be more on the left, you could certainly examine religious Judaism, look at the polling numbers, look at how they live and think in Western countries, and they do tend to be a liberal, but the thing is, you could have a Christian, you could have a Muslim, you could have all kinds of different religions come up there and make essentially the same exact argument and say that their scriptures, their teachings justify it, what's the common thread?

And in a situation like this, it's liberalism, that's what it is, it's because they are subscribers to another religion, and they will use things in their own religion to try to justify their greater commitment, and of course, abortion is a part of liberalism, it is a sacred part of this, it's almost a ritualistic part of liberalism, you must have this, because there's nothing, I mean, I'm learning this now, I have a nine month old, there are very few things that will limit your life more than having children around, because, and I mean limit in the sense of like, if you want total freedom to travel wherever you want, do whatever you want, obviously children are completely dependent, especially at early stages, and so if the highest good is participation in a vast array of choices in a marketplace, children will prevent you from that, and so they need to go, they need to get out of the way, if that's the highest good, and so you can watch the video I put out there yesterday on is liberalism a religion, and I go into more details on this, but that's the common thread guys, it's liberalism, it's this ideology, and because all these people are ideologues, they're somewhat trapped in their ideology, they are unwilling, and you saw that in the exchange with Durbin, this representative was not willing or able it seemed to even break out of the constraints of the framework that she was operating in, she couldn't even step out of them for one second to think about whether or not the examine the question, is the child in the womb a human being, does the child in the womb have the same rights as those outside the womb, it's not even something that can enter her thought process or else the whole thing comes crumbling down, so good job to Pastor Jeff Durbin there, and yeah, pray for this bill, pray for Georgia, and anyway, I'm gonna take some questions, and then we're gonna get into some other things, including gospel coalition stuff, Russell Moore stuff, and finally DA Horton stuff, and some other cultural things that I have stored for you, so hi John, I got your latest book, plan on listening in my upcoming flight to Las Vegas, says Matt Ruff,.

Thanks Matt,.

Appreciate that, you can go to, what's for the best way, probably against the waves book .com, if you wanna get a copy, and of course it's on Audible, it's on Kindle, give it a good rating by the way, please give it a good rating, if and when you receive that book, because it does help drive more sales, and I really think this is a message that needs to get out there, liberalism is what I'm trying to fight right now, so Carlo says that it's weak Christian men that allow this to happen, it's not the women or the Jews fault, well look, there's enough blame to go around everyone I suppose, but I would grant your point, that our number one issue is virtuous men, are lacking in our leadership class, and how do we get virtuous men to return, that is the subject that I've been in deep conversation with many people about for the course of months, and it's a difficult problem, I'm not gonna lie, but there are some things I think happening that will help change the dynamic, but the necessary thing, the needed thing is for those in pastoral roles, and local community roles, to start cultivating and discipling, just like Jesus did, the men that are under your care now, the young men, even the boys, because they're gonna be men, that process I think has been, I think that process is being not just attacked, but it doesn't even exist in some communities, and that's our biggest crisis in a way, you can't fight liberalism, you can't really do any of this stuff, if you don't have a feeder supply, of valiant, courageous, virtuous men, coming behind us, and I think that we can celebrate Donald Trump, he's in office, he's gonna be there the next four years, but we need to make sure that the next class, isn't just even on the right, politically or conservative, they gotta be virtuous, they gotta be good leaders, because if they're not, they could say all the base things, but once they get into a place, where there's actual pressure, then they cave if they're not virtuous, that's a huge, huge thing, so all right, we Trudell says, we have feminist liberal Muslims here in the West, definitely a product of liberalism, that's so true, look in Congress, but still we're able to discern, that's not real Islam, I don't think that's a no true Scotsman exactly, I'm not sure if he's referring to someone else, but yeah, I think yeah, like that's not a real Christian right, and regarding Judaism, there are a number of different sects, I would be curious, because most of my experience, has been with Hasidic Ashkenazi Jews in New York, and then secular Jews, and they are very different, I obviously, I mean I've lived in other places, and I know there are other sects, you have conservative Jews, but they're basically liberal, and I know there's other, in other parts of the world, there's other sects, I would be curious, if there is a sect, that is more or less pro-life, I don't know, but I've definitely gone, to conservative events in the past, and you'll see up on the stage, you'll see your rabbi, your pastor, your Catholic priest, and they'll all come out, and support pro-life, so it's funny how this is shaken out, because what used to be such a defining feature, including not just religion, but your denomination affiliation, I'm a Methodist, I'm a Baptist, you still see that in some, heavily Christianized areas in the South, in the Bible Belt, but what used to be such a defining feature, now has almost become just, it's like an outfit that gets worn, I mean I'm saying in the social political setting, and the bigger thing that defines you now, in society is your political leanings, and your political, and you can't tell whether, someone who's a, who has a clerical collar, is going to support a causes on the right, or on the left, it's a very curious thing, and there's a lot of reasons for it,.

But all right,.

I'm gonna move on, and as we continue the podcast, if you have any questions, or concerns, or cries of outrage, please let me know, now let's switch gears, I'm going to see if I can show this, I'm gonna show you some articles, that I think are important here, but I'm having trouble for some reason, pulling them up, I don't know, I don't know why I'm having trouble with this today, but I am, I can't quite get this video off, and hold on one second here, I think I figured it out, there we go all right, so I wanna go to a story, and we're gonna just do some culture stuff, political stuff, and then get into some like Christian stuff, but I think this is a good transition, since we're talking about leadership, and young men, Gen Z is the most conservative generation in decades, because they're a victim of the left's failures, the second part of that headline, is more important than the first, this is an article from the Federalist, I've been published in the Federalist, I like the Federalist, and they it starts out Fox, a Fox weekend headline declared, that the data shows Gen Z, the most conservative generation in decades, the real question is why are we shocked, Gen Z's lives have been entirely dominated, by the lies and failures that the left, and the Democratic Party have perpetuated, according to Gallup polling in 1997, 28 of Democrats described their views as liberal, in 2023 54 chose that description, Obama was elected president in 2008, and served for eight years of their lives, so basically the argument here, is that the left went really hard left, and those 12 years of Obama and Biden, encompass the majority of Gen Z's formative year, so when you are forming your view of the world, you're being attacked for being white, for being male, you're being bullied by mechanisms, that very powerful people, even in the White House are imposing upon you, and it's in Hollywood,.

It's everywhere,.

Everywhere you turn, you're a bad person, because you're a white male, basically, or a male, and so the Me Too movement, was part of this, so I mean he just goes through, walking through the conditions, that Gen Z grew up in, and if you just spend the time, I've been thinking about this for years, and I have a lot of sympathy for Gen Z, you think about it, they grew up in some pretty horrifying conditions, especially if they were white males, as far as every narrative being, the narrative against them being perpetuated, by every social institution just about, even when they went to church, and of course this is gonna create a backlash, this is gonna create resent, this is gonna create, not in everyone, but weird ads on the Federalist, I need an ad blocker or something, sorry about that guys, that's his argument, essentially in this article, and there's a lot that could be said here, but I think the important thing, that I wanted to say, I wrote an article, Red Pills Without Roots, I talked about it on the podcast, this is being framed as a conservative thing, and really it comes down to this, they want order, they want hierarchy, and they like Trump, so you test for these things, mostly they're, who did they vote for, young men, now young college educated women, are harder left than they've ever been, but young men, going in the direction of Trump, the next question you have to ask though, is why is that, the conditions that have led to this, I think J .T. Young in the Federalist get right, but does that mean they're conservative, and what does it mean to be a conservative, where are they gonna end up, and I think this is actually still a very open question, I have my own predictions in my mind, about what's going to happen over the next decade, but I do think that a lot of these guys, are not entirely rooted, and that's part of the reason, that they're going to the right, politically and they like Trump and stuff, is he's a man, he says it like it is, he doesn't cower to all the mechanisms, that have oppressed them in their minds, and they're looking for the strong leader, they're looking for masculine examples, and they don't have them, and Trump is that to them, but had they had, if they had had examples on a more local level, if they had had institutions led by men, who were virtuous, I don't know that we would see the same exact conditions, I think that people would be, young men would be going towards the right, but I think that it would be more authentic, rooted heritage conservatism, American conservatism, Anglo-Protestantism,.

All of that,.

All of the stuff I talk about in my book against the waves, that I think stabilizes us, against the innovations of liberalism, I'm not sure that this generation is the most stable, and I think that is the biggest demand of the hour, is that older men especially, get involved with young guys in your church, in your community, make sure that you grant them, give them a stabilizing element, because otherwise I'm just telling you now, it's not just that they've been attacked, it's that there's also been technology, they've had access to chat rooms, to 4chan, to chat groups, and this is where they have found community, they found narratives, that are more suitable for them, not all of them necessarily being good, I think there's a mixture of things, and I'm optimistic in some ways, but I'm very cautiously optimistic, about what this is gonna look like, if you want the restoration of authentic, Christian, American tradition, ways of life, I'm not sure that we are on that ship exactly, it might feel that way, because Trump's in office, we're gonna know more in about 10 years, where things are really gonna go, and one of the things I am noticing now, is there's a backlash from the liberals too, the liberals and some people, who aren't even liberal in every sense, they might have conservative instincts, that's a lot of Americans to be quite honest, they have like justifications, for their conservative instincts in liberalism, they try to use this fairness model, this neutral public square model, you know like for a good example is like, drag queen story hour or books in schools, they're sexually explicit, we should get them out, I'm not saying I'm anti-gay, I'm just saying they're sexually explicit, when in meanwhile it's like, you know that they're pushing perversion, that's why you wanna take, it's not about sexuality, maybe that's a secondary thing, it's about perversion, but people have to make the liberal argument of like, oh no, it's just sexuality, I've got no problem with homosexuality, so anyway, that's a good example of it, but this happens all over the place, and there's a backlash going on, and it's starting where, there's people who think that the online discourse, especially has gone too far, in too many different directions, that don't accord with who we are as Americans, and I'm seeing this in my own life right now, that there's a lot of polarization, there's a lot of over-correction, there's a lot of shooting someone, even slightly off from your position, because there's no stability left, there's just chaos, and people are trying to find stability, and they're not really finding it, and so I don't wanna be black-pilling everyone here, but the next 10 years I think are gonna be very decisive, and I think in the elite institutions, they still are liberal, they will remain liberal, probably for the foreseeable future, and the big question is, can we as traditional Christian conservatives, can we get some of our guys into some influential roles, and can we start some alternative institutions, and that's what we need to be working on, and I've been convicted myself in my own life of, okay, what am I doing towards things that actually have lasting power and matter, not just giving my opinion on things, which I think sometimes is important to give, what I think scripture teaches, what accords with wisdom and common sense and all of that, but what can we tangibly do, and I would encourage you to think about that, that's kind of where I end my book, what can we tangibly do in your local communities, if you have the opportunity on a national level, what can you do, and for the vast majority, it's not gonna be starting a podcast, for some of you it might be, but it's going to be trying to gain some kind of upward mobility in these institutions, to actually gain influence, and then use it for good, to love our neighbor, and to secure the things that we truly love, that give us identity, that give us stability, and of course Christianity is at the top of that list, so just wanted to make that comment about Gen Z, I'm optimistic, but I am cautiously optimistic about this, and just don't get too, don't think like, oh yeah, it's fine, like yeah, wait 10, 20 years, and like everything's gonna be fine, I don't have to lift a finger, no, like this is a time to get ready, some of these guys are open, they're waiting for someone to guide them, and give them more prudence and wisdom, get involved, have young guys over, even if they're at your church, and you think like these guys are this cream of the crop stable guys, have them over, okay, this is something that I've tried to practice in my own life, and just be invested, just be a normal person really, I mean that's really all I'm asking I suppose, you don't have to do anything even that special about it,.

Shakespeare, Thomas Cole, and the Cultural Destruction of Heritage

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Let's, I'll take any questions or comments on that, but I wanna just, I noticed this this morning when I was doing my news, you know, going to various news websites, Shakespeare's decolonizers are making much ado about nothing, it's an interesting story also in the Federalist, it was only a matter of time until William Shakespeare was decolonized, this was, there was a recent assertion of the Shakespeare birthplace trust, so it's like you had one job, right, honor the legacy of Shakespeare, it's an NGO that owns several buildings in Shakespeare's hometown of Stratford-Upon-Avon, England and a collection of personal documents of the writers charged with overseeing the legacy of Shakespeare, the trust has concluded that the genius playwrights works promote white supremacy along with racist, sexist and homophobic narratives, consequently the trust will issue more trigger warnings about the plays downhill, so they go into some details here and like, now Shakespeare's warning labels essentially, and I guess there's exhibits on like, trying to uncover the hidden stories in Shakespeare that reveal colonialism and so forth, and they're just ripping on Shakespeare, right, you can read the whole story if you're interested, and what I wanted to say about this is I recently said, look, I went to the Thomas Cole birthplace, great Hudson River Valley painter and Catskill painter, he's my favorite painter at this point, like I love Thomas Cole paintings, and I love that whole genre of Hudson River school stuff, and especially when people took it out West, just some, you know, the Remington paintings and stuff, they're beautiful, Thomas Cole though, the people managing his house are bent on doing exactly what I just read you about Shakespeare, and I wanna let you know, this is happening everywhere, when I went to the Thomas Cole home last year, they had turned half of it into a feminist art exhibit, an anti-American exhibit, alongside his beautiful paintings are things an eight year old could have done that just say things like America KKK, and upside down pictures of the United States, maps of the United States, they talked probably about as much about the slaves, or almost like a third of it was about the slaves who live there and speculating about them when they know nothing except some census records, clearly what's happening at the Thomas Cole house is a deconstruction, this is happening every single place I go, every historical place I go is this is happening, and it is, I don't, I hate to say this, you can eliminate the Department of Education, you can do all the things Trump is doing, which I totally commend him for, and I think it's, I'm very happy with my vote on many of the cultural things he's trying to do, but here's the problem, that is, that's our identity right there, that's our past, that's our heritage, that's what binds us together, that's who we are as people, and when you have this massive attack happening at every level on our history, you can't go to a battlefield without being lectured about how terrible we used to be before even getting into the specifics of maybe were there heroes here, maybe they fought for some good things, you can't even get there in some places, that's the death, that's the smell of death when you see that for a civilization, that is cultural genocide, and it's happening right before us, now, of course, the example of Shakespeare is in England, England's farther along, if you wanna see the future, you can look to England, and yes, and I'm not an expert in English history, but I do know, especially during the 80s, now, not everything's exactly parallel, but especially during the 80s and early 90s, you did have kind of your like, I don't know, there's like skinhead type thing going on in Great Britain, and you did have guys, you did have like young male reactionaries to some of this stuff, and what's happened in England is they've overwhelmed the country with immigrants from other places who, down to even religion, who was it just recently?

The king, the king of England, like two days ago, is it Ramadan, I think? This doesn't seem like a, was it Ramadan? Let me just check and make sure that I'm not off on this. Uh, it was a Muslim holiday, I wanna say it was Ramadan.

Yeah, I think it was Ramadan. All right, so King Charles, yeah, okay, I was right, just recently, chose to make this whole speech about the importance of Ramadan, and it's, I posted on X, I said, this is a country in ruin right now, this is, that's the end, that's the end, it's the smell of death when you see your figurative head, the king, declaring that Muslims are, what they're doing is important, and really just as important as what Christians are doing, and these wonderful virtues that they bring, and they're making that just as much part of who people in England are as Christianity.

Now, we're not quite there, the Trump administration is emphasizing Christianity, the Office of Faith, what, I forget what they call it now, I just talked about it like a week ago, that office that Trump established, it's all Christian leaders, you might say some of them are heretics and so, but they're Christian in the sense that they're like, there's no Muslims, there's not members of other religions, they wanna emphasize Christian holidays, they wanna do things from the government perspective that are going to privilege and honor our Christian tradition, that's what you have to do, but you have to do this like now, everywhere, and especially at places that are linked to our own identity and heritage, you can't go to Monticello and it be the Sally Hemings Museum, which is what they've done, as soon as you do that, the seeds of your destruction are there, and I'm telling you that is the number one enemy still, it is this sort of this attack on our own identity, this attack on Christianity, this liberal deracinating impulse, that is still the main enemy and that's what I see still out there and growing in strength, it's not slowing down, no matter what you see on X or social media, it's not slowing down, so we gotta be vigilant about these things and I would recommend read some Shakespeare, if you haven't read any Shakespeare, try to read some Shakespeare, this is a high point of our English language, I mean, these are very important matters, Shakespeare, his stories are, they have been the lingua franca, they have been the stories we share in common, we understand Romeo and Juliet, we know about the St. Crispin's day speech, you should know a little bit about these things and your kids should know about them, otherwise we lose it and the Christianity is all throughout all of that,.

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Yeah, Mr. Perry says defender of the faiths, that's exactly right, he's not even the defender of the faith anymore, King Charles, he's a defender of the faiths, plural, once you lose that particularity, you're done, all right, let's keep going here, I want to get into some other stuff from Christian publications, quote unquote, don't deport the constitution, says Russell Moore yesterday in Christianity Today, we should deport Venezuelan gang members and any other criminals who are illegally in this country, American Christians should not and probably do not object to that policy, so he starts off with, yeah, I mean, and how can he not, right?