November 14, 2019 Show with Anthony Uvenio, Elias Ayala, & Ryan Galan on “Building Upon the Rock: Developing a Christ-Centered Defense”

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Chris Arnzen Good Afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet

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Earth We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 14th day of November 2019 and we've got three guests on the program today

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Two will be joining us during the first hour and One of those guests in the first hour will stay through the second hour, but we also have a third

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Joining us the second hour. That's real complicated, isn't it? We've got today radio

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We've got on the show today Anthony Eugenio co -founder of New York apologetics and co -host of the reformed rookie

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We've also got Eli Ayala who is the apologist on staff at historical

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Bible Society and then coming up in the second hour Anthony Eugenio, unfortunately has to depart from us after the first hour

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But Eli is remaining with us and joining Eli will be Ryan Galan And they are going to be all discussing during the two -hour broadcast building upon the rock

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Developing a Christ centered defense and also the conference by that same name and theme

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That will take place this Saturday, November 16th at the Presbyterian Church of Islip But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you both back to our interpreters on radio

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Anthony Eugenio and Eli Ayala Thank you, Chris, I appreciate the opportunity to come on again and absolutely

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Absolutely excited to be back. Yes, and just to let our listeners know I was just thoroughly blessed and edified and blown out of my socks

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When I attended the recent conference Being hosted by the

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Spurgeon Fellowship or the Long Island Spurgeon Fellowship. I should say at Hope Reform Baptist Church in Quorum, Long Island, New York That was

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I believe about two weekends ago and It was just an astronomical time

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Not only because of the wonderful fellowship I had with with old friends and new acquaintances, but also because of the teaching and preaching that took place at this conference and In particular the messages that were delivered by my guests today

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Anthony Eugenio and Eli Ayala they were absolutely a Spectacular and I'm not saying this just because they're my guests

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I could have easily not brought it up if I was embarrassed and horrified by what they did or bored or bored, but I was neither of those.

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I was just absolutely blessed even more than I had expected because I had never heard

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Eli first of all give a full -length message before and I don't believe

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I had ever heard Anthony give a full -length message specifically on a tenet of Calvinism or Reformed Theology So I was very pleasantly

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Surprised and blessed not that I doubted your mental capabilities before that, but I was just I was just I better stop talking before I actually get myself in trouble, but I'm actually trying

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I'm trying to compliment you both of you in a very truthful way because I was absolutely Blown away, and I'll leave it at that and I highly recommend any time you may hear of an event where either

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Anthony Eugenio or Eli Ayala are speaking preaching or teaching I Highly urge you to take advantage of the opportunity to hear them if at all possible

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Well, first of all before we go into the message today I'll allow Anthony to give a brief description of New York apologetics and the reformed rookie

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Sure, New York apologetics is an organization Headed by me and Nick Mitchell on Long Island where we go into churches colleges high schools and teach people arguments for the existence of God and we try to promote a

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Christian worldview and show that it can Stand up in the marketplace of ideas, you know

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We're standing on the truth and we need to educate our children And edify them so that they're confident to open their mouths and speak the truth in love, of course but most most people today don't have a good understanding of what

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Christianity is nor how to Explain a Christian worldview. So Nick and I we do great work on on the island things are really starting to happen

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Down here. I'm real excited. We have a New York apologetics

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Long Island chapter meeting now The third Tuesday of every month at Full Gospel Assembly in West Islip And if you go to our website, which is www .NewYorkApologetics

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.com on the top You'll see a little radio button that says Long Island chapter You can click on that and anybody who's interested in apologetics can come down learn what the person is going to be teaching for that evening and then also potentially host the debate or Get trained up themselves to become apologists.

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We want to turn Long Island right side up for the Lord So everyone's welcome. And if they come down they'll they'll hear some some good stuff and on the second level

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I also started something called the Reform Rookie .com Because I want to introduce reform theology

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To people who maybe never heard of it or are just dabbling getting their feet wet in something like that Even for children to start understanding the doctrines of grace at an early age

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I put up the full Keach's Catechism on the website with videos Ten questions at a time that you can watch and listen to with your children or in your car

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So it's been really it's been going really well It's kind of like an outgrowth of Hope Perform Baptist Church because the guys there and Testa Jensen all contribute to it

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Whether it be blog articles or podcasts or even the videos that we did for the doctrines of grace conference

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I just want it to be a resource for people who are Contemplating reform theology and just to get their feet wet and start them off at a beginner's level.

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That's why it's the reform rookie By the way, you had invited me and we never Materialized it you had invited me to speak on the reform rookie on limited atonement

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I don't know if that's right. Yes, I did Well, I just know right now that I will never speak on that subject again after hearing

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Eli I hope I could never I could never follow that So we're gonna have to come up with a different topic.

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I Tell you what, you can speak on total depravity and you can wear that tie that you work It Seems that I am the only person with good taste on the planet

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Earth I don't know if I told you but when you were speaking on total depravity at the conference

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Doug Totter one of my former pastors at grace reform Baptist Church in Merrick, Long Island He was sitting next to me and he leaned over to me while you were speaking and he said

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What does that guy have to preach a sermon for they should just put your picture up on the big screen

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And I realized more than ever that I can always count on Doug Totter for a word of encouragement, but anyway

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And folks if you I hope to repeat this information later, but if you want more information on The New York apologetics ministry or the reformed

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Ricky rookie Ricky The reformed rookie. I think I've been watching.

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I love Lucy too much The the New York apologetics website is

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New York apologetics calm and that is spelled out

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New York not not NY but the two words New York apologetics calm and Reformed rookie is reformed rookie calm and that's reformed rookie

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Calm and rookies are okay. I e and now Eli Ayala Tell us something about the historical

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Bible Society where you serve on the team there as an apologist and this is a ministry that not only sponsors on your sharpened

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Zion radio, but Dan but if you go who has founded this organization the historical

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Bible Society attorney at law has been a long time friend one of my oldest

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Christian friends since My coming to Christ in the late 1980s

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Dan became a friend of mine in about 1991 when he became my largest advertising client when

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I was still an account executive at the Salem immediate affiliate in New York WMCA 570 a .m.

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And he remained my largest client there for 15 years and the the best thing that came out of that was a very strong friendship and edifying relationship and we love to Discuss theology and in fact even sometimes argue over it

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I fully and vividly remember how I was used of the Lord to lead

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Dan But if you go to the doctrines of sovereign grace He I gave him a book of grace unknown by RC Sproul That which it was which is under another title today

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I think it might be just under what is reformed theology or something like that, but at the time was grace unknown I gave it to him and the mid 90s

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For a Christmas present and he looked at me after handing him the book and he said are you kidding me?

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You're giving me propaganda as a Christmas gift You're unbelievable.

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I can't believe you'd give me propaganda as a Christmas gift you and your Calvinism. All right.

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Thank you And then he called me up on New Year's Day About I don't know 8 in the morning.

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He said he said Chris. I haven't been to sleep I've read this book from cover to cover. I believe every word of it

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You you win you win I'm a Calvinist, but anyway, that was a very long introduction tell us about the

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Historical Bible Society Yeah, I work for the Historical Bible Society as an apologist

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I write for the apologetics 10 -minute apologetics blog So people visit the historical

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Bible Society org on the top right. There's a drop -down menu that says take 10 And I write apologetics blog that should take you around 10 minutes to read

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I'm not the only contributor there, but I am the primary contributor I've contributed most of the articles and they're usually as a result of various questions that people ask me and things like that So on that's what

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I do. I often help out also when Dan has an event the Historical Bible Society is kind of like a traveling

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Bible Museum he has a amazing collection of Biblical manuscripts and old

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Bibles and things like that and he Goes around from church to church giving presentations on the reliability of the

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Bible and it's quite fascinating to be able to do that while having You know these Bibles these really old museum quality

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Material as he's going through that. So I really appreciate Dan as Chris has just expressed.

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He's a great guy and I've it's been a pleasure working for him.

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I also Am the founder of revealed apologetics, which is an apologetic ministry that I started

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Which tries to emphasize apologetics in general and presuppositional apologetics in particular

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So revealed apologetics is called revealed apologetics because the command to defend the faith

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I believe is a revealed command It's found in Scripture and so every Christian should be engaging in it and as a biblical discipline

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I believe that there is a biblical fashion in which we are to defend the faith and so I promote presuppositional apologetics as I find it to be the biblical way to defend the faith by saying committed to the foundation of the

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Word of God as our ultimate authority and Putting Christ at the forefront of our proclamation and defense

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I think is a very important part of doing all that so People are interested in that sort of stuff.

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They can look me up on Facebook revealed apologetics Videos up there that's usually either teaching or in response to questions that are asked and if they are

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Avid podcast listeners. I have a podcast on iTunes called revealed apologetics and people can literally email me their questions that Revealedapologetics at gmail .com

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and I'll do an entire podcast episode covering their question I really like to take what people are

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The conference that's coming up. That's this Saturday, November 16th at the

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Presbyterian Church of Islet, New York and that's Going to be held at 9 a .m.

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To 2 p .m If you could tell us we'll start with Anthony Tell us about this theme building upon the rock

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It's a conference basically about foundations when we talk about world views every world view needs a foundation to stand upon We believe obviously that the

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Christian worldview provides a foundation that Defeats all others all others are intelligible unintelligible when compared to the

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Christian worldview So we we look to show people what we're standing on as the foundation of our faith and then expose competing worldviews to our

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Compare competing worldviews to our worldview and show them that what they're standing on will not be able to hold them off in the end

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In other words, let's say Fardin take a naturalist materialist who all they believe that exists is

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Has to be something that they see touch wear feel it has to be something Made of atoms or material

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Well when they make truth claims, they're using the immaterial laws of logic to make those true claims

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So while they deny immaterial reality, they need to use them in order to make truth claims

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So we want to show them that they're not Consistent in their worldview and we do an internal critique of it and not just that worldview with any other worldview that that competes against Christianity to show them how they're arbitrary inconsistent and cannot provide the preconditions of intelligibility

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So the foundation you stand on Is of the utmost importance and we believe based on the scriptures that once we stand upon the rock which is the

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Christian worldview and the scriptures and Christ that we can make sense of the world and Actually be able to know things with certainty and I'm sure you know,

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I'd like to chime in at this point Eli oh, yeah when we're good. Yeah when we're dealing with You know building upon the rock as an apologetic theme

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It really is just highlighting for the Christian. What is the ground or what are the grounds?

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what is the foundation that we are to stand on when defending the faith because it's very popular for people to Concede ground to the unbeliever.

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A lot of Christians are intimidated by the standards of the world, right? I mean the unbeliever will say prove to me

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God exists and and for some reason we're automatically committed to some sort of Scientific methodology that meets the unbelievers standards, you know

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And then we kind of succumb to the standards that are imposed upon us by the unbelievers But to stand on the rock is to uncompromisingly stand upon the firm foundation of God's Word which is where we get the

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Christian worldview from that intellectual framework with which we understand and interpret reality and that when we stand within that framework we can fearlessly and Uncompromisingly defend the faith and as Anthony said refute all naysayers

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Showing that only upon a particular kind of foundation namely the

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Word of God Can anyone make sense out of anything? And so really this conference is going to highlight a biblical way of doing

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Apologetics, right? Because there are a lot of people who are doing apologetics Which is itself a biblical mandate 1st

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Peter 3 15 Jude chapter 1 verse 3 Where he said that he found it necessary that he content earnestly for the faith once for all delivered

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People are engaging in the biblical discipline, but they are engaging in the biblical discipline

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Unbiblically many times is that we are defending the faith, but we're standing upon a foundation

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That is not Christ because we put other standards over Christ Say perhaps the standard of scientific investigation you have people who say, you know

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Unless you scientifically prove something and you really don't know it because all knowledge comes through scientific proof

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And so for that person the rock upon which they're standing on is a scientific methodology

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But for the Christian we are not to be enslaved to a methodology and a foundation that is not itself grounded in God And so while standing on the worldview of the

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Bible We can put it over to the unbeliever and show that their foundation really is no foundation at all

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Let's take that example. Let's take the example. I just used there for a moment if the Foundation of the unbeliever is a scientific methodology

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He takes the position say that that says that all knowledge comes through scientific proof All we need to do to show the absurdity of that position is to ask him what scientific proof did he use to come to?

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That conclusion namely that we can only know things that are scientifically proven You see the problem if he doesn't if he knew if he knows that not by a scientific

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Methodology that he's refuted himself since he says we can only know things through scientific proof You see the self -refuting position and so the foundation which kind of has the guise of science and and you know

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Intellectual prestige is really a self -refuting position. So you're saying you're saying just just to repeat you're saying

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That you claim we can only know something by scientific proof is

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A statement in and of itself that cannot be proven scientifically. That's what you're saying

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That's right. So in other words if that statement is true We could only know things through scientific proof if that's true

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Then it's false because they did not come to know that through a scientific proof. That's just like the claim of other

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That's just like the claim of liberals That there is no absolute truth. Then you say to them.

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Do you know that for certain? Yes Well, how can you if there is no such thing is absolutely true? That's right in philosophical discourse.

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That's called a self -referentially false statement if it's true Then by definition, it's false.

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It's kind of equivalent to saying I only know two words in English well, if that thing is true, it's false because I use more than two words to tell you and Just to wrap my little comment might a few comments up the point of that is not just to play an intellectual game

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But it is to show that while the Christian can consistently stand on the firm foundation of the worldview given to us in Scripture We can easily poke holes and show the intellectual futility of that particular brand of unbelief

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Showing that there is no foundation there And so we need to be careful that when we teach Christians to defend the faith that we are not adopting those foundations that crumble upon deeper

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You know deeper criticism and so we want to encourage people that if you stand on the firm rock of God's Word There is no crumbling.

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We have a foundation of the biblical worldview accounts for everything in human experience and it does so sufficiently cogently and in a way that refutes all naysayers now that is the essence of Presuppositional ism, isn't it all of what you just basically summarized?

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Yeah, the the essence of Presuppositional ism is summarized I remember listening to a lecture by Greg Bonson who is a one of the best students of Cornelius Vantill Who's considered the father of presuppositional apologetics?

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He says if someone called you in the middle of the night and says, you know, what is the essence of Vantill? I must know and he says well

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If you have to give a quick answer that summarizes everything his answer your answer should be that anti -theism presupposes the ism

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Anti -theism presupposes the ism that is to say that because it is true that God is the foundation of all things

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Even attempts to refute the Christian worldview must assume the Christian worldview to do so now

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That's an audacious claim and I understand that by stating that it doesn't demonstrate it But the point of the apologist is to be able to make good on that claim by interacting with the unbeliever and doing

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You know doing apologetics doing worldview critiques and and things like that So that's how you summarize really the essence of what presuppositional apologetics is about yes, and one of the things that I think is a primary benefit of presuppositional apologetics is that it can and should

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Prevent those with whom you're speaking those Skeptics with whom you're speaking it prevents them or at least it should from going on rabbit trails and Demanding that you prove beyond all doubt

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Everything that you are telling them because we know from Romans 1 that everyone from birth

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Knows that God exists and knows that they are sinner, but they suppress those truths We don't have to prove the existence of God.

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We don't have to prove The inerrancy of the Bible these things are true and we don't have to spend

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We don't have to have our discussions Dominated by efforts to prove those things when it is only

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God and his sovereignty that can open up the eyes And ears and change the hearts of those with whom we speak to believe those things are true

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Obviously he uses us as vessels to evangelize them to teach the truth to declare it

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But we don't have to prove a long list of things that our critic friends Demand that we prove to them, right?

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Right, but we can do we can do one better in that although we don't have to prove God's existence

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We can prove God's existence and I think we should but not in the sense that we appeal to something

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External to God that stands over God that validates God There are there are ways to prove

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God's existence and it is necessary to do so in various contexts but we do not to come to the standards of the unbelievers for the

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Christian God is not a Conclusion to an argument rather. He's the precondition for the intelligibility of argument itself now again

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I know that's a claim and that needs to be backed up But that's that's what the conversation will then be about right and this allows positing

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God as a bedrock foundation Really? It's an audacious claim without God.

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You can't know anything. Well, I know a bunch of things Well, let's talk about it It really gives the unbeliever no way to escape and it doesn't give it doesn't give the unbeliever an opportunity to hide his hand

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Many skeptics that I've that I've discussed and debated issues with they very rarely tell you their own position

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Because if they tell you their position then they have something to defend It's much easier to just attack the other perspective

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But the nature of the presuppositional argument the very nature of it is that in order to respond to the argument

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You must lay out your world That's why the argument goes something like this that the proof for the truth of the

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Christian worldview Is that if it were not true, you couldn't prove anything at all. Now that audacious claim usually

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Causes the unbeliever to say well, that's that's ridiculous. I can prove all sorts of things And then that's where we're going to get into the foundations really show me what you can prove

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Given the truth of what you say about the world and you know We'd apply kind of what

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Anthony said at the beginning where you know people Appeal to things like the laws of logic

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But how does the laws of logic which are immaterial Invariant and unchanging work and say a worldview in which the person says that all that exists is matter in motion

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How do you get things like conceptual laws in a world? That's purely physical So again, you'd there's an example of that suppression

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You mentioned in Romans 1 where the unbeliever actually has to suppress the truth about God and borrow from the

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Christian worldview in order to Fight against it. And so that's what the presuppositional method tries tries to do.

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Yeah, every time comparison and showing Yes, I'm sorry And I'll do we do worldview comparison and showing that the

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Christian worldview really is the only perspective that can make sense at a human Experience. Yeah, every time you hear an enemy of Christ an atheist and agnostic

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Claim that something is evil. They are borrowing from their Christian from our Christian worldview.

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It was Fascinating it was fascinating when I Orchestrated a debate years ago between dr.

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James R. White and Alphona Megan ministries and David Silverman who was at the time the president of American atheists the

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Organization started by Madeline Murray O 'Hare in the I believe the 60s David Silverman's thesis was that the

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New Testament is evil and That he at one point during the cross examinations got backed into a corner by James White's because James forced him to admit because of the fact

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It was clear that an atheist really has no grounds upon which to define evil and good

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Silverman basically said well evil and good are determined by whatever the majority of people believe in any particular geographic area on the planet during any particular era of time and So he said well, are you saying then?

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That if you were being marched through the gates of a Nazi death camp during World War two the the most

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Alarming thing that you could say in protest to this is I find this personally offensive

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You couldn't you couldn't say this is evil You couldn't say it's wrong and he agreed to that and keep in mind

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David Silverman is a Jewish Atheist and ethnically Jewish atheist, but I was very glad that the

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Lord Sovereignly in his providence was Used James to back

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Mr. Silverman in a corner to admit that because I don't believe he ever would have voluntarily Used those words himself, right?

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But I think dr. White did an excellent job exposing When we come back from our first break,

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I just want to briefly Have you differentiate between Presuppositionalism and evidentialism because I do have heroes who are evidentialist as well

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The late RC Sproul and the late John Gerstner were evidentialists. I don't believe they are now but they but they they even wrote a book together defending evidentialism, but But we're gonna be going to our first break right now

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We're now back with our guests Anthony Eugenio of New York apologetics and Also, Eli Ayala of the

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Chris Arnzen at gmail .com C -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com And I just want a quick mention to you

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Eli that I had a wonderful time of fellowship recently with Pastor Bill Shishko Of the

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Haven in Deer Park, Long Island, New York formerly of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square where he served as their pastor for decades but he wanted me to personally send to you his greetings because we were having a discussion after that conference that you were involved in and He I told him how wonderfully blessed

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I was by that conference and Mentioned you specifically to him and he lit up like a Christmas tree and had some very high regard regards to send you but Yeah, well

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Before the break, I wanted you to just in a summary form give us some reasons that presuppositional apologetics is unique in the when contrasted against the backdrop of Evidentialism which some great men of God and great heroes of mine

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Have used as their apologetic method and philosophy, but if you could tell us the difference Are you asking me or Anthony I don't

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I'm asking both of you But but but I was asking you to start because before the break you were stressing presupposition

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Okay Well, if I can just summarize a very quick definition of classical apologetics some people know

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What the methodology is since we've already kind of explored what the presuppositional methodology is classical apologetics is classical in the sense that it is the traditional

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Method used throughout church history and it is a two -step approach to defending Christian theism

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Its first step is to establish a general theism through the use of what's called the traditional theistic proof

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For God's existence and that Those are usually represented by arguments like the cosmological argument the teleological argument the arguments in design the moral argument the argument from religious experience all these sorts of things that try to establish the existence of kind of a bare theism and Then the second approach or second step of the classical method.

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It's the narrow the scope that once you've Demonstrated that there is a God you now the scope to Christianity by Defending the historical evidences for the resurrection of Jesus and I think if I can just summarize real quick the difference

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And both methodologies presuppositional and classical have you know? Strong aspects to them.

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Of course me thinking that the presuppositional method is better method But the difference in short just a real quick difference is that the classical method

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Argues for the probability of God's existence Based on these arguments God most likely exists

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He probably exists and it's more rational to believe that he exists while the presuppositional

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Methodology tries to show that God exists with certainty

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So certain that if God did not exist rational argumentation would be impossible amen amen and Anthony Vino one of the tenets of the

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Westminster shorter catechism is that The chief end of man is to glorify

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God and to enjoy him forever doesn't apologetics Make us actually

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I mean perhaps not everyone sure it sure has with me made me enjoy my faith more enjoy

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Things that would normally be perhaps purely a an exercise in discomfort and anguish and getting your blood pressure raising to a

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Dangerous level when you're interacting with people who reject what you believe I have come to a point in my life

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I'm not saying that those things that I just mentioned never occur in my life They do very often, but I can say that I have come to enjoy

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The the struggle the I've come to enjoy the battle if you will when

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I am Trying my best by the grace of God to explain and defend

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Christian truth with those that oppose it it is no longer a

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Intellectually intimidating thing or at least not as much as it used to be And it is actually something that gives me joy tell us about yourself obviously you've you've taken up This is a primary thing in your life apologetics and have actually started a ministry dedicated to it

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So tell us about that aspect of it is it doesn't it make life more fun You know you're hogging up the conversation again

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Just for those of you who let me Eli presuppose that Chris is talking to But if we listen to the recording the evidence will show that I asked

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Anthony the question There's something deeply satisfying about doing

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Christian apologetics because apologetics is not just a venture into Book knowledge or formulas or Propositions it is it is due to a person

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Who is God in the in the person of Jesus who saved you so you recognize that this is?

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You're in a love relationship with God who's rescued you from your sin And now you you're actually working for your father in heaven which number one will bring you eternal reward

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Which is unbelievable and saving you from perdition And it's deeply satisfying because now you know

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The foundation upon which you stand and you can you can actually see and understand things for what they truly are

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Just another apologist who says that there's three things that you have you have reality you have truth, and you have belief and Truth is the way things really are right belief is the way

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I think things are and Reality is when your belief lines up with the truth

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So when you're in Christ, and you understand that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are found in him it's an unending treasure chest of Beautiful things that you see in this world that God has created and not only do you understand them

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But you know the God who created them so it is deeply deeply satisfying deeply enjoying in tremendous enjoyment

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In the pursuit of apologetics because not only do you get to explain the world to the people around them you get to glorify

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God Who's opened your eyes to this and it's again just deeply satisfying

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In fact, I'm gonna take a listener question I want Anthony to start since he has to leave very shortly unfortunately

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He doesn't really put us in a high level of priority here in iron trip inside I think he's going to a

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Tupperware meeting or something, but anyway Actually We have

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I think a first -time listener his name is Brian from Denver, Colorado and his question is

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How would you defend the sufficiency of scripture and in a presuppositional way

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I deal a lot of I Deal with a lot of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses that believe in outside authority.

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Very very interesting And I'm not mistaken Jehovah's Witnesses would probably claim

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They believe in the sufficiency of scripture. And of course, they don't have an accurate translation but they don't operate that way because Kingdom Hall or the

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Watchtower Bible and track society is really like a Vatican For that cult even though what they would never call it that but Anthony if you could start

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Sure, well, we know that Timothy all scripture is God -breathed and useful for teaching

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Recruits correction and training and righteousness that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work

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So the scriptures themselves say that they are sufficient to edify you and teach you and train you

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So from a presuppositional standpoint Do we now put an authority over the scriptures an authority?

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That is not God breathed over the scriptures or do the scriptures which are

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God breathed They're divine in nature to do those Are those preeminent are those over and above the?

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The outside leadership Okay, that the authority so really it's a question of who who has authority

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Did the scriptures have the authority or does this group the whatever? They are the Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses Roman Catholics, whatever.

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They are. Does that have the authority now? obviously all of those other authorities are Made up of men.

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Okay, and men are fallible men are sinners There's certainly plenty of opportunities to get things wrong and generally we do

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However, the scriptures we can fall back to because they're perfect again being God breathe

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We know that they're inerrant. We know that they're infallible So that is the one thing those are the one thing that we can go back to and point you and say they never change

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Look at men and look at how their doctrines have changed over the course of time

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Look at how many times the Jehovah's Witnesses have made false prophecies. Look at how many times even right now

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The latter day saints, they're changing their name. They're changing their doctrines certain things are evolving and moving forward as the culture changes

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This is right quick evidence to understand that if if the authority lies in the hands of man

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It will change because man is sinful at the core His mind is stained by sin his emotions as well.

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Everything is stained by sin. The scriptures are pure Forget which psalm it is

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But the Word of the Lord is settled in the heavens forever So once we stand on the

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Word of God now, we can start making sense of reality if let's say you or I had a

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Disagreement about a particular doctrine do we go to an authority a man -made authority?

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That's going to tell us whether we're right or wrong No We go back to the scriptures now God has set up pastors and teachers in place for us to glean from But even those pastors and teachers if they're good pastors and teachers will admit that they could be wrong

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So we ultimately have to go back to the scriptures as our ultimate foundation for truth

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So I hope that helps well Do you have any words of farewell to say to our listeners before you depart and go on to some unessential activity?

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Everybody No, you know, I thank you so much for having us on I really appreciate everything that you do for For our church and for New York apologetics and the reform rookie

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I hope to this Saturday be able to proclaim some truth and see large change

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I'm really believing with guys like Eli and Ryan and Nick and the New York apologetics team that we can turn

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Long Island right side up For Jesus if we have a lot of strong Christians on this island, and I know that it's doable

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I look at Long Island as a rudder to a big ship You know, like James says the rudder turns, you know, the smallest part of the ship it turns the whole ship

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I see Long Island potentially as a little rudder If it moves in the right direction, maybe you can turn

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The direction of America, maybe we can affect the city and maybe maybe God can use the faithfulness of the people here to affect revival and Reformation throughout our country

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So again, your your show certainly is a factor in helping us do that to get this message

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To many many more people to get them access to the website to get them access to the podcast

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To edify themselves and ultimately open their mouth, you know, there's one scripture up and I'll leave you with this

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It's Luke 23 23 and it it's really relevant today because it says but they meaning the

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Jews were urgent to been demanding with loud cries that he should be crucified and Their voices prevailed so Pilate decided that their demand should be granted it is the voices that continually scream out against Christianity right now that are prevailing and Unfortunately, most of the church is taking this sitting down not standing up and and voicing back to these people

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We need people who are bold the righteous are as bold as a lion we need to stand on the truth of God's Word even if it causes physical harm or monetary harm and Proclaim the gospel back to these people and let our voices prevail

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Remember Jesus is the word made flesh. It's a word and we speak that gospel and God In the proclamation of that gospel does miraculous things in people's minds and hearts we can shape the world

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We can change this island if we proclaim the gospel and live out our faith daily

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Amen. Well, God bless you, brother, and I look forward to seeing you at some point in the near future and Keep pressing on for the glory of God And don't go away don't go away folks because we are continuing this program with Eli Ayala of Revealed apologetics and the

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Historical Bible Society. We're going to be also joined by Ryan Galan and So this is our longer -than -normal break in the middle of the show

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01:16:14

Christ centered defense and let me Welcome to the broadcast and also welcome for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio

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Ryan Galan It's great to have you on the program Thank you so much.

01:16:29

It's a pleasure to be on with you today. Thank you for having. Oh my pleasure and Why don't you tell us something about?

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The Presbyterian Church of Islip first of all, which is an interesting church I've known about that church as long as I've been a

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Christian and Probably even before that just passing by because since I used to live on Long Island and did so All of my life until I moved here to Pennsylvania five years ago beautiful historic building there and the thing that makes it unusual is that Although it is in a liberal

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Denomination the PC USA Presbyterian Church, United States of America that congregation seems to have always as far as I'm aware had some kind of a connection to The evangelical and biblically faithful roots of the

01:17:18

Presbyterian Church. Am I right on that? Yes, I believe you are right on that I think

01:17:25

I know that the the pastor who's there now. His name is Pastor Colby Rhodes He's a graduate of Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary.

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He is Reformed in his theology and he is biblically faithful as well.

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And so I'm not too familiar with Too much further as far as far further back in its history, but I do know the people there as well are

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Largely committed to the biblical faith as well and you and you a host or you have founded a

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Ministry there an apologetics ministry called truth in life. That's truth the letter and life tell us about that Yeah, so actually

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I was a I was a pastor here in Long Island, New York for a couple of years at a

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Centerpoint Church in Bayshore campus And during my time as a pastor there one of the things that I just kept coming across is just the very blatant inconsistency within Christianity within Christians when it came to living their lives according to what they believe

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I found over and over again people professing faith with their mouth, but living in a way completely

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Contradictory towards to that faith in their in their day -to -day lives. And so Once I left

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Centerpoint Church, I began attending for a while here now, but it's been about a year so Presbyterian Church of Islip and I wanted to just continue to serve in some way and My wife and I discussed we figured it wasn't time for me to go back yet into pastoral ministry

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But I did want to still make sure that I was serving the body in some way and we founded this

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Ministry truth and life where we just do some I write I have some blogs out there.

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I do speaking I still preach occasionally Throughout the area and now we're starting these conferences

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All of it whether it's apologetics related or not All of it focused on just helping

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Christians live consistently with their faith out consistently Great and the website of that ministry is truth and life net truth the letter n as in Nebraska life net and I hope that you look that up and I don't know if you're aware, but there are a handful of other

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Biblically faithful PC USA congregations out there on Long Island that you might want to Inform about your conference coming up because I know that the the

01:20:07

First Baptist Church of Babylon Long Island has a history of having a connection with The true faith of the scriptures in the historic

01:20:16

Presbyterian Church I don't know if that is still the case, but I remember for many decades it had remained

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Faithful and we have the Presbyterian Church. I believe it's the first Presbyterian Church in Oyster Bay, Long Island which is in the

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PC USA, but also One of the rare Congregations that is biblically faithful and so on.

01:20:37

So perhaps you could reach out to them and let them know about what you're doing That and before I go on to another matter

01:20:46

I wanted to give Eli Ayala of Revealed apologetics and Also the

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Historical Bible Society. I wanted to give him an opportunity If indeed you'd like to say something in addition to what

01:21:02

Anthony had Azori said in response to our our listener Brian in Denver, Colorado About using presuppositional ism to defend the inerrancy of scripture or the sufficiency.

01:21:13

I'm sorry scripture. Do you have anything further to add on that? Yeah, it seems to me that when you ask the question that how can we defend the sufficiency of scripture?

01:21:24

Presuppositionally, but that's just basically Defending the sufficiency of scripture while using the scripture and so that's precisely what

01:21:33

I would do I would use the scripture to defend its own sufficiency and I think you can do that and a helpful resource is just to pick up books that go into the defense the biblical defense of The sufficiency of scripture and things that are related to perhaps say something like sola scriptura and things like that And so when when

01:21:52

I heard the question, I was just thinking that's just kind of just Asking someone how do you defend the sufficiency of scripture while using the scripture?

01:22:00

And you just got to know what the Bible says about itself. What is the nature of scripture? How does the nature of scripture affect how we defend scripture?

01:22:09

What role does it play? And how it's evaluated So I think you could defend the sufficiency of scripture using

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Scriptural principles that are within the text of scripture itself and so how one might go about doing that would require you to study

01:22:24

Just what the Bible says about itself and then apply that in your discussions with the with the other person

01:22:30

Okay, here's a question for both of you. It's also from Brian of Denver, Colorado That is

01:22:37

I think that this obviously we could have weeks and months of programs on this one subject, but it's very timely

01:22:45

What do you believe is the best way to outreach to the LGBT community?

01:22:52

Preach the gospel Yes, that's true Now that involves some other things it involves the fact that unfortunately

01:23:05

Those who claim to be in that so -called community I don't like calling it a community because that's just giving credence to what they are but They've become more sophisticated in actually

01:23:21

Twisting the scripture To make it seem to the naive and the biblically illiterate that The scriptures are actually condoning and even perhaps celebrating this kind of behavior

01:23:38

If you could perhaps we'll start this time with Ryan since he hasn't had much to say what Ryan how do you react when

01:23:45

Somebody who either professes to be a homosexual or they're just your average run -of -the -mill liberal

01:23:54

Who believes that we who are Christians or at least Bible -believing? Historic truly faithful disciples of Christ that we are that we are nothing but tyrants and bigots and hateful people trying to Throw a bucket of cold water on these people and prevent them from enjoying life seeking romance and love with the same sex

01:24:23

And that's the way they were born. And therefore that's the way they should have the freedom to live and they will say that they they have they have references and resources of Very knowledgeable Christians and theologians

01:24:40

Who defend them in their their lifestyle quote -quote, so how do you respond to that kind of rhetoric?

01:24:48

Yeah No, that's perfectly perfectly, okay, but there was there was there is a lot in there

01:25:04

So I think the way that I would Approach this first if I was dealing with someone who came to Professing the first thing that we're going to do is go to the scriptures

01:25:15

You know, you can without there's no need to Appeal to any outside authority if we both appeal to the scriptures as our ultimate authority

01:25:25

And so we're gonna we're going to go to the scriptures. We're going to look at what God has

01:25:30

Clearly said we'll look at even those so -called, you know father passages where Homosexuality is clearly stated as as a sin

01:25:42

What God has declared is, you know As far as what is the prescription for marriage with it being between one man one

01:25:50

Well one woman for one lifetime and we're gonna we're gonna work through those and we're gonna

01:25:55

We're gonna discuss those and I want to get at those underlying assumptions also why it why does one believe that You know, you have this right to that God made you this way

01:26:09

Therefore you have this right to live out your wildest fantasies. Where is that in scripture?

01:26:15

You know that that where is this say that? That because you have a desire for something that therefore you're entitled to it

01:26:24

You know, none of that is found in Scripture. So so again, I'd want to walk through all those all those

01:26:34

You know all those presuppositions that are being brought in here and and show how they first of all, they're they're clearly

01:26:43

Not in Scripture and that which we find in Scripture is very very clearly against most of that And and then point them back to the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is you know

01:26:55

Ultimately we are to repent. We are to turn from our sin turn from That which doesn't bring

01:27:02

God's glory and trust in him and that means that though We might have desires that are not natural desires that are not good

01:27:11

We fight those desires We don't submit to those desires if we've been born again if we've been made that new creation in Christ and we are to die

01:27:19

To those fleshly desires. And so, you know, I think just with as with anything when it comes to whether it's someone with LGBTQ whatever

01:27:30

ADC whatever whether it's that or something else another Sinful tendency we're going to deal with those things the same

01:27:37

I think one of the things for for me at least anyway that I have a hard time with is

01:27:42

This idea that somehow we have to create a whole new Category now for dealing with that specific, right?

01:27:52

I find that's false It's a sin as you know It is and it is it's if anything

01:28:00

I think when it comes to that what we see it It's it's a sin of a different category and in the fact that it's dealing with that which is specifically against God Natural created order right and that also makes it unique that that also makes it unique in that Heterosexual sin which will also send you to hell without the blood of Christ covering you is a different category of sin nonetheless because it is an abuse of a gift well gift of God, it's a the the sex drive and Sexual attraction to the opposite gender is a gift of God and so that's a part of the natural order that he created

01:28:47

Whereas homosexuality is not only a sin It is always an abuse of Sexuality it is never

01:28:58

Appropriate in any circumstances whether it's remains in your mind or whether it's acted out physically.

01:29:03

It's always a damnable behavior and desire 100 %

01:29:11

Now perhaps Eli you could jump in here I'll I'll continue a non -controversial thread here but but something that Ryan touched on it has become increasingly uncomfortable and disturbing to me is that there is a growing number of professedly conservative

01:29:37

Bible -believing evangelicals who Who what's the word?

01:29:43

I'm looking for they they approach the sin of homosexuality With an extra level of Tenderness and Sweet talk where they are they they're actually portraying in some ways these people surely as victims and That they are not responsible for their behavior and There is even a group within and I'm pleased.

01:30:20

I'm not broad -brushing the PCA the Presbyterian Church in America of many pastor friends and Congregant friends in that denomination, but out of that denomination.

01:30:30

It's not solely out of that denomination, but there there are professing Bible -believing

01:30:36

Christians who say they believe in the biblical inerrancy and so on and Who will say that they even believe in the prohibitions to acting out physically with homosexuality who's nonetheless?

01:30:47

call themselves gay Christian and Some of them would even say there are things uniquely attached to the homosexual movement that are applaudable and things that should and this is a

01:31:01

Smaller category of people in that group, but that there are things that should be maintained an evangelical life

01:31:09

That are uniquely present in the homosexual community. This is really a horrible and dangerous and deadly direction, isn't it?

01:31:21

For sure I think Ryan adequately addressed the question and and we can just put this within the framework of a free

01:31:28

Presuppositional approach which stands on the firm foundation of the Word of God if I were debating with an atheist

01:31:34

There is a biblical principle. For example, I'm going to try to make application with the issue of homosexuality There's a principle in Scripture that laid out for us in the book of Proverbs where it says answer

01:31:44

Not the fool according to his folly lest you become a fool like unto him and then the next verse says Answer the fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own

01:31:54

Less if he was in his own conceit So there's this principle of answering the fool and not answering the fool and with the presuppositional outlook here

01:32:01

Which I think it's helpful is that we are not to answer the fool according to his folly Lest we be a fool like unto him because if we adopt their their assumption

01:32:10

Then we will be reduced to foolishness but there is an instance in which we Hypothetically grant their foolishness to show the foolishness and absurdity of their own position and in life fashion when we're speaking with people who claim to affirm the

01:32:23

Bible Then what do we do? We don't affirm The truth of their perspective which we know is clearly unbiblical, but let's hypothetically grant.

01:32:32

Okay. Well, you think the Bible supports this position? And so what do we do as as Ryan just expressed we go to the scriptures

01:32:41

You know, we utilize the standard and just because people claim that the Bible supports one thing or the other

01:32:46

I mean, you can't just get away with making that claim Obviously you need to engage in meaningful exegesis And that's usually where these folks crumble when you actually deal with the specific text

01:32:57

And I think various Christian apologists have done a great job exposing that one of which is dr.

01:33:02

White Whatever people think of dr. White. I think he does an excellent job exposing really the superficiality of the attempt at exegesis to support

01:33:13

Homosexuality from within a Christian framework, and I think another helpful thing to make good

01:33:20

Apologetics application is this idea that we're you know, we were born this way Now quite frankly when people say that well,

01:33:27

I was born gay, you know, or when someone asked me a question You know what happens when someone says

01:33:32

I was born this way I think we need to be very careful not to be bogged down with The details of whether someone is in fact born that way, right, right.

01:33:42

I agree within the Christian perspective, right? Because from within the Christian perspective, it's quite irrelevant The Bible says we were born in sin right and so my natural inclination is to disobey

01:33:51

God And so the fact that I'm born a certain way does not justify my acting in accordance with those things, right?

01:33:58

I I was at one time vehemently opposed to any concept of a person's claim that they were born with homosexual

01:34:09

Attraction and although I agree wholeheartedly with Vodie Baucom that that there is no organic

01:34:15

Connection or biological connection to a person being born homosexual because we believe as Calvinists Especially that somebody's born and conceived actually totally depraved

01:34:26

Why would that be a different sin out of what would be? Expected from someone who is depraved and that but at the same time as you were saying we can never use that as an excuse

01:34:38

Well, just like if somebody's born with a proclivity to murder someone he's born with a proclivity to violence

01:34:45

That doesn't mean we should allow them to do it and tolerate, right? Right, but I think another another fallacious aspect of that line of reasoning if the argument is that because I was born this way

01:34:57

That's something, you know, that somehow means that it's okay Then suppose I kind of turned that around on that while I was born naturally to be inclined to find homosexuality repugnant

01:35:08

You should have no objection of me trying to condemn Homosexuality as a viable lifestyle and a lifestyle that can conformity with some kind of objective moral morally good standard

01:35:19

So I think there's a problem when adopting that kind of methodology and I think

01:35:24

Presuppositional apologetics specifically does this well grant grant the unbeliever or grant the

01:35:31

The you know, the Christian, you know person who called him a Christian grant them those standards and show the absurdity of where that leads

01:35:39

Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't talk about these things and if people are born that way, you know How should we deal with those are all important issues?

01:35:47

But let us not pretend that the Bible supports that kind of lifestyle and that just because we're born a certain way to that somehow

01:35:54

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FC or that's liy FC Or Welcome back.

01:51:20

This is Chris Arnzen. And this is our final segment today with Eli Ayala and Ryan Galan and if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own

01:51:30

Do so quickly because we're almost out of time Chris Arnzen at gmail .com I'd like you both basically to wrap up why you each believe that every

01:51:41

Christian needs to be a theologian and apologist that does not mean that every Christian Needs to or even should go to seminary doesn't mean that we all have to become these brilliant New Testament Greek scholars and Hebrew scholars, but we do have a responsibility

01:51:58

Before God to be ready to give an answer for the hope that lies within us So if you could please we'll start with Eli if you could give us a summary of why you think this is important Yeah, quite simply theology the study of God.

01:52:12

So if you're a Christian you're asking the question Why do I think Christians study God? Well, how else would we know about God if we do not avail ourselves of the revelation of himself that he's given us

01:52:23

Both in the natural order and in the Bible And so I think the fact that every

01:52:29

Christian should be a theologian is just a necessary Outflow what it means to be a Christian and reflect about God both intellectually and engage

01:52:37

God relationally They're they're they're necessarily intertwined. I think we should all be apologists because the

01:52:43

Bible commands us to be Apologists if we're Christians and we affirm the Christ of Scripture the same

01:52:49

Christ who inspired Scripture through the Holy Spirit then apologetics is a necessary outflow from that because God in his word commands us that we are to Always be ready to give a reason for the hope that's in us.

01:53:00

They're doing so with gentleness and respect So I think it's something that's mandated by scripture and if we're going to be committed to scripture

01:53:06

We should in some way shape or form engage in those activities and Ryan Um Yeah, you know,

01:53:14

I think Eli's pretty much everything. The only thing that I would just kind of put alongside that is

01:53:20

Christians who believe Jesus is Lord that he's Lord of this universe that he's

01:53:27

Lord over every Everything and that includes our lives and that we are you know are to live our lives in submission to him and that means

01:53:37

We live according to what he said clearly in his word and one of those things is to be prepared to give a

01:53:45

Reason for the hope that is within us. And so again apologetics is We're told to be apologists by You know by God and so therefore as Christians submitted to the will of God We should seek to honor him by doing what he told us to do

01:54:02

You can't be in a relationship with someone you don't know so that that answers the theology portion

01:54:08

I think So yeah Yeah, I know people who listen to the show must think that I absolutely

01:54:17

Worship James White to an idolatrous level, but I can't help but think of another thing that he said in relation to this

01:54:24

He said could you imagine? If you are married and you don't know what color your wife's eyes are

01:54:32

You have no idea what her favorite foods are and what foods she dislikes You have no idea what kind of music she enjoys and what kind of music that she dislikes and you could go on and on That would be a sign.

01:54:44

You don't really love this one You really haven't invested any time to learn anything about her and it's even infinitely more

01:54:53

Important and infinitely more true When it comes to God if we don't even bother to investigate in his inerrant

01:55:02

God -breathed words Who he is? What he expects from us what he prohibits the history of his people and All the details about his son the person and work of Jesus Christ the person and work of the

01:55:19

Holy Spirit Oh, we it's just a sign. We don't love him.

01:55:25

Am I right? Yes, sir. I would agree with that. Yeah. Well before we go

01:55:30

I want I want you both to at least Very quickly tell us in summary form what they should expect at this conference this

01:55:38

Saturday Eli if you could start Okay well

01:55:46

Just as the title of the conference Suggests we're going to be talking about the importance of having a Christian foundation and doing apologetics

01:55:54

And so the various speakers Anthony Ryan and myself will be covering different aspects of that I can speak most specifically to my own topic.

01:56:03

I will be Presenting really once Anthony and Ryan lay the foundation I am going to be presenting the practical ways in which we could actually do apologetics

01:56:13

Like what does that all look like? So whereas Anthony and Ryan will be talking more about the theory

01:56:19

I will be touching on the practical application or so What does it look like to defend the faith against say an atheist or a

01:56:25

Muslim or or whichever perspective, you know? One might think of so we're gonna be covering things like that And Ryan anything to add about the structure and also what our listeners know how to register and so forth absolutely

01:56:40

There there will be worship we're going to be starting with Some some singing right at nine and then like Eli already said there'll be three talks

01:56:50

We're gonna talk to be building up. Whereas I'm gonna start by looking at First Peter 3 14 and 15 and just showing how this idea of developing a

01:57:00

Christ -centered defense is biblical It's not something that we've just kind of came up with on a whim and then

01:57:06

Anthony speaking more to Logic and and then Eli giving us some more practical application.

01:57:13

There's going to be lunch also We're going to have pizza there. So we'll be taking a break and then there'll be some time for Q &A and so if you're interested in this you can

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Register by going to troops and life .net Word truth the letter n is in November life dot net

01:57:30

What are the events page there and click and you can register for our event there? You look forward to seeing you Great that's this

01:57:36

Saturday and this is a the Presbyterian Church of Islip, New York this

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Saturday, November 16th, 9 a .m. To 2 p .m And don't forget folks the websites that are involved in our guest today

01:57:51

Anthony veneo the New York apologetics calm New York apologetics calm and also reformed rookie calm

01:57:59

Reformed rookie calm Eli Ayala, please repeat how our listeners could get in touch with you

01:58:06

Yes, they can look me up on Facebook revealed apologetics they can download my podcast

01:58:12

Revealed apologetics on iTunes and they can email me questions that I will make podcast episodes out of a perhaps make videos in Response they could email me at revealed apologetics at gmail .com

01:58:24

and just as a quick aside I'm actually I was actually invited to speak at St. Joseph's College in Patchogue, New York and that's at 10 p .m

01:58:33

at the Well, I guess it's the theater the theater auditorium.

01:58:38

So that's at 6 p .m. It's being put on by Basic which is the Christian club that is there and they're expecting well over 200 300 people maybe so I think it's free

01:58:50

You just walk in and you know, I'll be giving a talk on apologetics there as well Praise God and don't forget

01:58:55

Dan But a few goes historical Bible Society where Eli serves as an apologist historical Bible Society org historical

01:59:01

Bible Society org and once again Ryan your contact information Yes, you can find me at truth in life net again

01:59:10

It's full it out truth and as a November life net or you can email me at truth in life

01:59:18

All right, I want to thank both of you for doing such a superb job today

01:59:23

I look forward to having you both back in the show I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write in questions