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I am so delighted to have back as a returning guest one of my very favorite guests of

all Todd Friel who is an author a conference speaker and the host of Wretched TV and radio.

He is also going to be a conference speaker at the upcoming G3 conference in Atlanta,

Georgia that we'll be talking about in a little bit today.

Todd and I are going to be discussing social justice hysteria 101 Understanding the

buzzwords.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Todd Friel.

You know, honestly Chris, I think you can stop using the radio voice.

No.

Well, the reason I know that you want to discuss this and why a lot of our friends are bringing this

up at conferences and and other places of importance is because this is not the

social justice we've all been familiar with coming from the pulpits and

Radio and television broadcasts and other media from liberal clerics.

Those that have been notorious for many decades for

being apostate for denying even such things often not always but often

denying such things as the DD of Christ and the Trinity and the bodily resurrection and salvation by grace alone through faith alone in

Christ alone and the substitutionary death of Christ and The major things that

are pillars of Christianity and and and we're not necessarily talking about those

pastors and individuals and denominations who are yet.

And I emphasize the word yet promoting same -sex marriage and abortion and things like

that.

But what we're talking about is actually.

Being.

Introduced to and coming out of The historically more reformed and conservative

Congregations and and clerics.

Am I right?

Yes, sir.

You are.

Can

react a little

bit

like you render

a verdict.

Aren't

that cutting at

this?

Yes.

Something amen.

And by the way, I interviewed on a number of occasions probably at least four.

In the past the BT and you wheel a and two of those interviews were on his excellent book

the decline of african -american theology that was in tooth that was in 2009.

I can email you the mp3s and You will be thinking that you are hearing in a completely

different person.

And the thing that puzzles me is I have not heard he may have renounced that book.

But I have not heard him renounce that book and it seems to be in direct contrast

To what he is saying today.

Did you ever see the interview with Jordan Peterson and that

interviewer?

You mean Justin Briarley?

Are you talking about the unbeliever Jordan Peterson?

He's the psych prop of the universe.

Oh, yeah.

I know I know who that is, but you said he was interviewed in Great Britain.

I thought he might have been on.

No, no, no, and

I

hope

to get

the

beady

on

the program

to

address

this

with.

Someone of the opposing view at some time in the near future and.

It is the whole thing is quite surprising to me because of the.

And

one of

the

one

of the most disturbing things about.

The trends in this movement, and I'm sure you would agree is Not that they are

opposing racism is that they are battling against or combating

against racism.

With racism they are guilty.

Many of them many of the the key spokespeople are guilty of Perpetuating

their own form of racism, but they refuse to recognize it.

Well,

that's it.

Yeah, it's

amazing how things have changed for instance being colorblind.

It used to be a buzzword for liberals to say we should all be colorblind.

Now that seems to be an ugly and horrible thing for Christians.

To seek to be colorblind we have to exalt people specifically because of

their color of their skin or their ethnicity or what -have -you.

Right right.

And

there's

nothing I like more than prime rib while wearing my mink coat, but anyway.

We have some key phrases that we want defined today.

We are going back to school with Todd frill today, and in the classroom We are going to have some key phrases

defined.

And these are phrases that are probably being defined in grammar schools and high schools everywhere.

But unfortunately not to critique The concepts but to promote them, but

let's start with deconstructionism.

Yet burp.

That

would have made this interview, I think infinitely even better.

Yes, it is.

If you really if you really wanted to scare him away, you should have pulled a crayon house.

Yeah sure sounds like it.

Why don't you now explain intersectionality.

Not

in

any

way

shape

or

form.

Yeah, this

is

insane.

Well, let us hear something about black liberation theology.

Many of us have heard about Liberation theology especially in connection with the Roman

Catholic Church and even more specifically in South and Central America perhaps.

Where there have been active?

Priests and missionaries involved in basically bringing socialism

and dare I say communism to different areas and thinking that this is really the way Jesus would have

Our societies to operate.

But if you could tell us specifically what you mean by black liberation theology.

Well,

you

know

what's

interesting

about

this is that for those that would claim to believe in the inerrancy of scripture those that would

claim to.

Share a biblical orthodoxy with.

Their.

Dare I say adversaries or opponents?

On these issues.

It is strange that they could overlook the fact that in the New Testament Those that are

targeted through the God -breathed words of Scripture through the Apostle Paul, especially

those that are targeted or exposed as being racists are Jews

primarily who were a Persecuted and enslaved and

tortured and really Attacked and what other other

adjectives that I could use here and verbs.

These were people that were on the lower rungs of society and yet they are

rebuked for being Racist in their attitudes towards the Gentiles.

They are not given some kind of privilege That they are not capable of being

guilty of this sin just because they were Among a persecuted and enslaved minority.

They were exposed as being Wicked in their attitudes.

Do you have any comment as far as that's concerned?

Amen by the way, one thing that one word or phrase I should say that we passed over

Radical feminism we all have an idea of what feminism is.

Well, how radical do you have to be to be a radical feminist?

Amen.

Well I know that you could only be on with us for a half hour and I am so looking forward to being with you at The g3

conference.

God willing in January and we'll be announcing in more detail How to find out about the g3

conference and how to register for it.

Anything in particular yet that you know, you'll be speaking on at the g3 conference.

Okay, great

well of the website for the g3 conference coming up in January is g3 conference

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Todd Friel.

It's always a joy for you to be on the program.

I look forward to your frequent return to our interpreters on radio.

Thanks a lot brother and I'm definitely looking forward to having fellowship with you in Atlanta, Georgia this January.

God willing.

Yeah, I try to use that as much as I can.

Well,

god bless you brother and drive safely.

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Today Christopher Harris is going to be is going to be addressing voter ID illegal aliens and

the misplaced compassion of Leftist America and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to

iron sharpens iron radio.

Christopher Harris.

My pleasure Chris great to talk to you again.

Yeah, it's my pleasure.

Completely as well as my listeners.

And why don't you let our listeners know even though you were on the program before.

They may be Unfamiliar if they haven't heard you before or just because of the time that's elapsed.

They may not remember what unhyphenated America is tell our listeners about that.

Well, I try to keep America is exactly what we sound like a world

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you believe in if

you and.

Well, there is a Battle going on not only in America or

even globally Between opposing forces that disagree

on Let's say President Trump's views on

Immigration or even broader than that.

Even the diverse views amongst conservatives on immigration because they're not all identical and not everyone who's a

conservative agrees with everything that President Trump has to say or to enforce.

But The issues of voter ID and illegal aliens are something that even

brothers in Christ Are disagreeing over.

What is it specifically to start out with about voter IDs that you wanted to bring up today during our broadcast?

Well,

there

was

recently

something

whatever that

looks

like.

Yeah,

and

as

far as

voter ID goes.

There are a lot of leftists that want to Enable

people to vote without an ID and it seems to be fairly obvious.

It's because they want illegal aliens to vote.

And Tucker Carlson brought up something interesting Recently and I'm not saying this is the only time he said it.

He has repeated it.

I think a number of times Tucker Carlson whose program you have been on a number of times he

said that and I'm paraphrasing what he said, but he was insinuating to his

leftist guest That it is racist to assume That

your average black citizen or other citizen of the United States is incapable of getting

some kind of an identification.

He said first of all all Legal citizens have identification and that's

how many people.

In fact how most people who are poor or on the welfare system are taking advantage of

getting? their their finances from the government with their IDs.

So this is really isn't this really all about getting non -citizens to be permitted to vote?

Time you have nothing but time to go

and.

As far as illegal aliens are concerned there are as you

likely know There are Christians Who may even share

much of our doctrine and theology they may not be even in the left wing of

Of Protestantism or Catholicism.

They may be people who believe in the deity of Christ they may believe in the Trinity and the

bodily resurrection of Christ and Salvation by grace alone through faith alone Christ alone in the bodily

resurrection.

And they may believe that Homosexuality is a sin and abortion is murder but

they seem to think that it is sinful or on Christ like or

Uncompassionate or selfish or elitist or racist to not

let anyone who wants to come across our borders just come and take advantage

of the the freedoms and liberties and blessings Economic and

otherwise that we have here in the United States.

They just think that if you are a Christian if Jesus were alive. He would not want there to be

border patrol.

He wouldn't want there to be borders.

He would just want us to welcome everyone to cross those lines.

Well, first of all, I don't recall Jesus saying anything about Having a country or a

nation was a sin because the very thing that makes a country in a nation Separate from other countries and nations is that it

has borders.

Isn't that exactly what makes a country?

Unique and stand out from others surrounding countries and nations.

At least it's good to know that Dennis Prager believes in one Trinity anyway.

But in fact, I have a book too strong that I strongly urge you to read in

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That and it goes into the different types of foreigners that were

crossing the borders into Israel and the Old Covenant and how each of these

different types of foreigners were to be treated and Some were indeed to be welcomed, but

not all were to be welcomed and this was according to the God -breathed strict scriptures of the Old Covenant and

David Dykstra is Not saying that we need to introduce everything from the Old Testament into the

new.

But he is saying that there are certain things that demonstrate Great wisdom that there is

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Is if you're establishing a nation and so on so I will try to get that out to you because I think that you will Be quite

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In fact

Christopher we

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Christopher we were before the break you were speaking about the fictitious hippie Jesus.

We

have

a

listener.

From Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

CJ.

And CJ says I'm curious what your opinion is.

From a black Christian the reason why I happen to add your skin color is that today in the 21st

century it?

Appears that anything coming out of a white man or white woman's mouth.

But especially a white man's mouth is viewed with suspicion because the motive of course must be

racism or hatred.

But I'm asking you as a black brother in Christ Do you believe that the leftists in

America would be responding to?

Muslims immigrating to the United States and illegally entering the United States

with the same passivity and Welcoming open arms if the majority

of Muslims were blonde -haired blue -eyed and pale -skinned.

To America.

For them the enemy of my enemy.

Regardless

of the

slave

and the

slavery

that

took

place

in

the

Bible

was

not at

all.

About the color of people's skin.

Not at all.

I mean you had indentured servitude you had prisoners of war and all kinds of reasons that had nothing to do with

Kidnapping people from foreign soil or soil or buying them from Those that

kidnap them and then bringing them back to another land to sell them and slave.

In fact Kidnapping and selling a man in the Old Covenant was a crime punishable by death.

Exactly I was just about to mention that.

I mean that was.

I believe that.

What people even

the

thing that is

interesting though

about

our

listeners

question

when

it

relates

specifically

to

Muslims?

Even if you want to remove the immigration or Illegal entering

into the United States from the equation Muslims if

they are living under Sharia law the first ones among us that would most likely be Executed are

our liberal and leftist friends and neighbors.

It seems ironic and bizarre that they would be so in favor of

Muslim freedom and of course, I'm not saying that all Muslims or even most Muslims want

to seek bodily harm to American citizens or to Christians Jews and others.

There is obviously a very strong element numerically within them that does but

it seems odd that the leftists who are pro -homosexual and

pro -abortion and Pro fornication and pro many other things

that Muslims view as crimes punishable by death.

It's it's very bizarre That they look at them with such welcoming

Attitudes and it's and you can't help but wonder that if they were predominantly

Germanic or Scandinavian if they would have that same attitude towards them.

That's just a theory.

But you know, you just you just have no one have to wonder.

Well, I don't believe that they actually think.

Yeah.

Yeah,

well one

of the

major aspects

and

since we

only

have

six

minutes

left.

I want to make sure we get to it one of the major aspects.

I wanted to discuss with you about this is the misplaced compassion of the left.

Now you might Believe you might even have totally convinced

yourself That having no borders or loose borders and letting illegal aliens come and go

as they wish into our nation.

Especially come into our nation as they wish.

Is the compassionate kind humble?

Selfless sacrificial.

And giving thing to do and even Christ like thing to do.

But you seem to be forgetting about the other poor among us that will be most harmed by

that.

It's mainly the poor that are harmed by other poor people that are not even citizens

coming across our borders and Taking jobs away from other poor people.

I mean the left in the name of being the champions of the

Underdog the poor the downtrodden the persecuted and so on.

They are always it seems in the back door Harming the very people they

claim to defend even when it comes to their environmental Positions when they are trying to protect

forests for instance more than they care about human life.

They are putting people out of work.

They're putting people who are involved in lumber mills and all kinds of things.

I mean you could go on and on and on well, I mean the closing down of coal mines and The

opposition to fracking or you could go on and on and on and you have poor to middle -class Americans

losing livelihoods through the leftists.

So -called championing the very people that they'd wind up punishing.

Am I right on this?

That's longer than my family longer than mine.

My mother's Polish family came over here in the early 1900s and my father's Norwegian Ancestors came here in

the 1860s.

So you your family has been here longer than mine.

We

are

out

of time.

I know

that

you

had

to

leave

after

a

one

-hour

period.

So I just want to make sure our listeners have your website.

It's unhyphenated America org.

Unhyphenated America org.

We have a listener in Slovenia Joe that has emailed us a question for you.

All we'll have to just email that to you and you two can privately communicate whenever you have time to.

Because we have run out of time for this interview.

We look forward to having you back very often.

On to iron sharpens.

Iron radio.

Christopher Harris.

Thank you.

Well, god bless you and coming up next we have Joe Jackowitz.

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Iron radio.

Joe Jackowitz good to be with you Chris.

Well before we go into a brief history of family radio.

If you could briefly give us a history and a description of first love radio.

First love radio began about Seven months ago.

So we're brand new.

We're an online global radio station.

We reach everywhere where there are people tuning in Online live streaming

and we've got 24 hour a day seven day a week programming Based primarily on the teaching of

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We've got a variety of genres.

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and preaching programs we've also got unshackled

and many other types of Programming music but the predominant amount

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and Where.

We do have some repeats

who are being

added to our 24 -hour programming? on a weekly basis.

Burden the meat of the word

teaching as well as Application

preaching of the

word and the belief of God's Word has fallen up and the

first love radio.

Org is the website.

That's correct.

And I want to tell us a little bit about first love publications and first love missions.

First love publications was founded in 2006 we have 51

Categories of pub and we distribute them free of

charge and you can go to first love publications Org

and you can peruse our catalog.

We began with one Like I said in 2006 and

we're adding new time.

We've got a number of them.

We are a faith mission a faith ministry where we do not charge people for our public

or nine different tracks holistic outreach.

We've got some really good systematic theology called the

catechism on Bible doctrine and We've got a really good

hermeneutics.

It's ever wanted

to know

translate and

interpret.

Who's the author?

Dr. W

are downing.

Oh, wow, I love dr. Downing and I want him back in the program for some reason.

The last few times I invited him back on our Schedules did not match but he is

one of my favorite interview ease.

One of my favorite guests is a better way of putting it that I've ever had.

I just love dr. Downing.

Indeed, so we you can go to our website and check out our history our beliefs

and we take our publications and distribute Them all around the world during our missions trip, which

is sponsored by our third organ is founded a

year ago.

And launched in Kentucky at one of our sister churches Sovereign Grace Baptist Church.

First love missions has a team of about 13 14 missionaries.

We short -term mission trips every three or four months to different countries.

Right now We have missionaries in four countries.

We're ministering Nigeria in India in

Nepal

Kenya.

Really?

Well Joe in Slovenia should be thrilled about that.

Joe is just is listening now.

At least he was listening when my last guest was just on.

He sent in a question that we didn't have time to ask my guest but Joe in Slovenia.

He is a Southern Baptist missionary there, and I'm sure he will be thrilled to hook up with you while you're there.

Yes, we will indeed hook up.

He is our sponsor actually and he's oh really.

We're we're good friends with Joe Kelly, oh, I didn't I didn't know that.

Yes the small world Chris.

Oh, yeah, it is small world big God.

Amen so.

Great.

Well now let's hear a little history of family radio.

I'm actually surprised.

I guess it's been longer than I thought it was.

That family radio Unfortunately entered into a dark time due to apostasy because

I meet a lot of young Christians.

Especially when I say young I'm talking about in their 30s or younger.

Who don't even know what I'm talking about when I mentioned family radio and I'm shocked because they were such a globally

Known presence and at one time Such a phenomenally biblically sound presence

and powerhouse for the doctrines of sovereign grace on the planet Earth.

So tell us about the history of family radio and your involvement with them and so on.

Well family radio really spearheaded and in my view

it said

there there was

a true 2000

later,

but I I began with family

radio and in oral

camping at the time.

But family

radio in

Harold

camping,

but they

bought a

radius.

I admit

they're

online.

They have a

powerhouse

Times he 90

Titled nut and in that book

to take place, I think

in October 1994 so

I guess

and

that

book

and of

course

for and

he called out

of the Church

was the offices

and the Lord's Supper were to no longer be observed and he

really became an enemy of the church.

That's what I left family radio.

I resigned in 2002 and

1984 as an instructor in their school of the Bible which and

I worked in

various the

announcers

and a

I.

But well, I

know

that you have some exciting news about the

current president who wants to be on I interpret.

On radio tell us about that.

Strong possibility.

Tom Evans has been the president of family radio for

over 30 and I met with Tom a couple of times within the last several months

and I was so.

Changes and direction and the present

position and policy of family radio.

Which most people who left family radio and

and it went

elsewhere.

I I know devil it.

You actually just inform me some of something

that I didn't know because.

About the didn't believe in a personal devil.

The reason why I find that remarkable is that I know someone who used to be a family radio

speaker.

Who was kicked off a family radio for believing in the very thing that you just said?

Yes.

Yes, Eddie.

I think the worst teaching that camping espoused is that Christ died twice for the sins of the world.

It's a long story about.

The biggest problem with family radio in my view was really not Most of the teachers or the

employees.

But how campings

wrong.

Hermeneutic that

is an

allegory

the

entire

ministry.

Yes, that was Dave.

That was dangerous airwaves and I don't know if you knew it Joe.

But I gave that book the title and I also did the cover artwork for that book.

Did you really well you have that a great distinction that?

And after that like our theology and our church life and our beliefs and our practice goes out the

window as well.

So at first love

Rejected the

part out that

Christ died reject all me

and I know Tom Evans for a long time.

And I have no read in his honesty I

come back

to the

many people stuck

do not

endure so

that

that

is very encouraging and you will not find those tea family Radio, you can look high and

low Programming from all of these

family radio.

So find that they are beginning to add

Teaching programs again on the air from pastors and others that they did not before because

they did on their old

Phenomenon

out that

Ligonier

and their

their

doctrinal position is

now Christianity

1994 when mr. Camping wrote the book 1994 Tom

Evans and

family

radio There's a level of remorse

or they've been

in this

mode where God

would

have

them

your

platform stream

right now.

Well, I guess we would have to clarify what you mean by that the mainstream within conservative

biblically sound Theology because the mainstream of Christendom today is not something we

want to emulate or imitate or attach ourselves.

We'll have to have you back on the show in fact, but when we go off the air.

Which is going to be in one minute.

I would like to give you some dates that you could choose from so we can have you back on the show and also please

extend my Open door invitation to Tom Evans to be on this program for two hours to

in his own words.

Tell us about these exciting new developments.

Well, I cannot speak for Tom, but in that direction I cannot

give you a definite yay or nay.

But I know he's very much

open

to to talking

with.

We are out of

time brother.

And I know once again the website for first love radio is first love radio org and I'm assuming they can get

the.

Information for the other ministries of first love from first love radio.

Yes, and please please share first love radio.

Well, thank you so much Joe for being on the program.

I want to thank my other two guests as well and everybody who listened today.

I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.