Ending Abortion: The Way Forward

Thank you pastor Rob. Thank you Sarah. Ending abortion the way forward. Proverbs 24 11 through 12 says. Rescue those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering to the slaughter. Oh hold them back.

If you say see we did not know this. Does he who weighs the hearts not consider it and does not. Does he who watches over our soul not know it and he. And would he not repay person according to his work Proverbs 24 11 and 12.

Why the Abortion Debate Needs a Different Approach

You'll show that first slide. This is not what this Presentation is about but it's the principle. Have you ever do you ever feel this way in any area of your life? This one says they are voting for the lesser of two evils and Doesn't work, but it'll work this time.

So they vote for the lesser to evils. It doesn't work. That's not what this presentation is about but it's the principle. Do you ever feel that way in anything that you do maybe in how you approach your sanctification or Any other area like marriage finances you you're working with this method.

Going this direction. It doesn't work, but you feel like it's the right way you try it again and doesn't work. Maybe you feel that way about The abortion issue, maybe you should because it's been over 50 years that we've been approaching it kind of with the same method and so we need to look at a different way of thinking.

I want to encourage you that There is a way forward with ending abortion and I want to present that to you tonight. Hopefully so you can go to the next slide knowingly or unknowingly. We have been brought up or taught a two-kingdom theology.

That two-kingdom theology. Very very simply is this you have the church and you have the state and that mindset. Kind of goes like this they're they're pro-life. There's pro-life legislation. There's pro-life conservative legislators, and it's their responsibility.

And it's the responsibility of the pro-life parachurch organizations To Head the charge in pro-life legislation and And work with the state churches and Christians shouldn't get involved in legislation.

The Bible tells us to share the gospel not make laws. Laws can't change hearts anyway. Our responsibility is to support our church missions and evangelism. It's God who changes hearts. The more people get saved the more abortion will decrease.

Plus There are others who are doing the legislative workforce, and they're doing a good job. So really is there anything else we can do other than Continue to support those many pro-life organizations and vote for conservative pro-life legislators.

That's kind of I feel like many of our Mindset many have this mindset currently. So what is the what is the narrative? What's the story that we're being told by many? Well for over 50 years we have suffered through the decision of Roe vs. Wade.

During that time Christians preached the gospel and supported pro-life organizations. And they supported pro-life legislation, and they voted in they did their duty they voted in conservative pro-life Legislators and we accomplished the greatest victory thus far in overturning by overturning Roe vs. Wade in June 2022.

The courts gave the president and conservatives what they wanted. They gave the decision to choose whether abortion was legal or illegal to the states. 14 states Had trigger laws in place. What are trigger laws.

Trigger laws were put into effect that if when and as soon as? Roe vs. Wade was overturned that this law in that state would be enacted and so in June 2022 when Roe vs. Wade was overturned 14 states and their trigger laws Were enacted and those 14 states became abortion free.

The way forward now is to get those remaining states in the same situation as Those 14 who enacted their trigger laws who are now abortion free and to keep supporting pro-life organizations pro-life legislation and pro-life legislators.

That's the narrative we're being told that there are 14 states that are abortion free. What is the reality. The reality is in June 2022 Roe vs. Wade was overturned tremendous victory really really good and Those 14 states did enact their trigger laws.

Now all this the rest of this information in this section. I got from foundation to abolish abortion. So if you you can find this information on their website. But follow along with the numbers. This is the reality.

Remember what the narrative is that that we're being told and listen to the numbers in 2023. When was Roe vs. Wade overturned June? 2022 in 2023 there were one million two and twenty five thousand six hundred and ninety six recorded abortions.

This was the highest number recorded abortion since 2010. 61 of abortions are what they call self managed using an abortion pill. This is even happening in the trigger law states where they are abortion free.

In fact in those abortion free states Abortion is still legal. There may not be abortion there may not be abortion meals and It may be illegal to sell the abortion pill. However, it is not illegal for a woman to order having her possession and Murder her preborn child by the means of the pill or any other means.

It is not illegal for the woman to murder her preborn child. Many pro-life organizations want to want us to celebrate and I got a lot of this information from my brother who's from Texas they want us to celebrate what happened in Texas.

Texas was one of the the states that had trigger laws that went into effect and They said they say now that in 2023 after Roe vs. Wade was overturned. There were only three abortions in Texas. It's my understanding that Those three were really in the case of the life of the mother issue which is not really an abortion because doctors they tried to protect and save the life of both and In rare occasions, we may lose a child, but it's not really an abortion because doctors are trying to save the life of both people.

But what is the reality in Texas? Here are the real numbers in Texas? And again, I got these numbers from foundation of us abortion organization in 2021. There were 55 ,000 abortions in 2021. In 2022 Roe vs. Wade was overturned and the trigger laws were enacted in 2023.

Remember they want us to say that they want us to know that three abortions happened in Texas 2023 in reality. There were twenty to thirty thousand abortions that took place due to the appeal. 32 ,000 traveled out of state to have an abortion.

So therefore it is estimated that between 52 and 60 ,000 Texas babies were border murdered in 2023. 55 ,000 2021. Roe vs. Wade in 2022. 52 to 60 ,000 in 2023 after Roe vs. Wade. Here's some other numbers.

This is from the New York Times in 2020. 465 ,000 in all 50 states in the first six months in In 2023. You'll have to follow with follow the numbers so I'm gonna say it again 2020 in 2020. 465 ,000 in all 50 states in the first six months in 2023 after Roe vs. Wade.

511 ,000 in 36 my 36 minus the 14 trigger law states 511. 51 ,100 excuse me in 36 states in the first six months. This excludes abortions outside the formal health care system, which would include self-managed male male-in appeals from overseas or in other countries.

Self-managed abortions. The largest pill provider for these Self-managed abortion pills is called aid access and they sent out 3 ,500 to states where abortions are banned from within the US an Estimated 88 used them to abort babies.

That's 3 ,000 abortions a month calculating the market share access. 40 ,000 abortions in six months in states that are quote abortion free. That's 80 ,000 a year. This doesn't include women that leave to go to other states.

This is the reality Of our current state in America. There are no states that are actually abortion free. There are no states where abortion is completely illegal. So in reality, we need to reconsider this two kingdom theology and Think about how we are under the one kingdom of Jesus Christ.

We need both from Christians both. What? We need Christians to be evangelizing with the gospel and we need Christians to be involved in legislation, so Let's look at some facts and some misconceptions.

It is true that only the gospel can change hearts. It is true That we should expect people to change their mind concerning abortion once they receive Christ. We should expect that. But in reality, we will always have sin with us until Christ has defeated all his enemies.

First Corinthians 15 Psalm 110. It is true that nonprofits cannot endorse a candidate. However, it is also true that a nonprofit can get involved in promoting legislation as long as it's not their main Objective to be involved in legislation.

It is also a reality that God puts governments in their places and he has also given them their responsibilities. So we are right in holding them accountable to their submission to Jesus Christ especially Legislators who claim Christ as their Savior.

It is true That laws cannot change hearts however We are commanded to protect the innocent with righteous impartial laws that promote equal justice. So what does it mean to be abortion free? Can someone give me a quick definition if you were to say this state is abortion free?

What would that mean? What's a one-sentence definition? Abortions aren't happening anywhere in any form. Anybody else. Bingo. Both of those are correct. So we'll say it like this abortions are illegal and otherwise prohibited by anyone.

That would be an abortion free state. So let's keep that in mind as we move forward and we think about our legislation. So let's start with the Supreme Court. In reality did the Supreme Court when they made their decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

Did they give the states they hand over the states? To make the decision whether in their state it was legal or illegal to have an abortion. Sort of but not really. They abrogated their responsibility Actually to uphold the law.

Over the Supreme Court building as you walk in it says equal justice under the law and the 14th Amendment of our Constitution says No state shall deny any person in its jurisdiction equal protection under their laws.

So the Supreme Court what they should have done was said that from the moment of Fertilization conception that this pre-born child is a person and They should have upheld the 14th Amendment. But instead what they did was they handed over to the states the ability to decide Who should be murdered and who should not be murdered who is a person and who is not a person.

In Fact I think it was one of them wrote this about their decision if it is true That a pre-born is actually a person then they should be protected under the 14th Amendment. So they intentionally avoided their responsibility to uphold the 14th Amendment and gave that to the states.

So before we move any forward I want to give this to you Galatians 324. It says that the law is a tutor To lead us to Christ now I know as pastors and theologians and students of God's Word we We often think of that verse as pertaining to God's law but it it also it is also true when it comes to any law a Law should be a tutor that leads us to Christ.

It should teach us and lead us to Christ. So, what does this teach us what does this decision teach us about Christ? It teaches us that Man is God and man can make the decision whether a person should be murdered or a person should not be murdered.

A Person should be guilty for murdering someone or not guilty for murdering someone. It makes man God to decide which laws are righteous and just and which laws are not. That's what it is teaching an unbelieving world Christ looks like.

But is that what the Bible teaches. I would say that it's not what the Bible teaches about our Lord and Savior that he is God and he decides who is a person who is not a person and who Should be held accountable and who should not be held accountable.

So what about Roe versus Wade? Back in 2022 as Everything everything that you thought about that decision and situation. Was it like you thought it was that abortions really decrease? Are there 14 states that are truly abortion free?

We've seen that abortions have risen. And we've seen that there are truly no states that are abortion free where abortion is Illegal and otherwise prohibited by anyone. So you you are probably most familiar with the term pro-life.

Maybe you are beginning to hear this term called abolition or an abolitionist or abolition legislation, so what's the difference between pro-life and Abolition or an abolitionist? Why have why have we not been able to abolish abortion?

My opinion and I think in many others opinion a lot of the reasons Come from the deceptions the philosophy the motives and actions from not all but for many pro-life organizations and pro-life thinking.

Abolitionism is a purely Christian movement the foundation the motivation and arguments against abortion all come from God's Word and When you hear the word abolition, I want you to think love of neighbor no partiality.

Equal protection. There are many pro-life organizations that are not Christian organizations and even those that are They don't like to involve religion in their arguments. Many pro-life organizations have only promoted legislation that denies equal protection to the pre-born.

These laws these pro-life legislation only Regulate who it is. Okay to murder and who it is not they regulate who to hold accountable for murder and who not. Though some may claim that they hold the same goal as an abolitionist their method is only to introduce incremental laws.

Their argument is This is all we can get at least we'll save some. But we've already been over the statistics. It really hasn't happened. In fact, they've increased furthermore any and every Incremental law puts man in charge of deciding who it is and who should not be murdered and Who we should hold accountable.

Not only do these pro-life organizations only promote simple laws. They actively seek to destroy equal protection laws. So when you also we remember when you think abolition or an abolitionist the kind of legislation that we're looking for is equal protection laws.

Equal protection legislation. In 2022 Louisiana had the first equal protection bill to make it to the floor to be discussed and voted on but in May 2022 77 pro-life Organizations signed an open letter to their leg to the legislators in Louisiana not to vote or pass this equal protection bill.

In fact according according to a representative from Foundation to Abolish Abortion our House speaker our national house speaker Christian Mike Johnson called the pastor leading the way in Louisiana and called Louisiana legislators and discouraged them from passing this equal protection deal.

And if you want to look at it I have a copy of it up here. And if you want to see which pro-life organizations signed it. You can look at the back and see which pro-life Organizations signed and that will be more relevant at the end when we talk about practical application.

What Scripture Teaches About Justice, Mercy, and Partiality

So where do abolitionists get their marching orders? We get our marching orders from God's Word and that's what I want to share with you right now is God's Word and what he says. Micah 6 8 says he has told you old man.

What is good? And what does the Lord require of you but to do justice? Do justice. Think about our pre-war neighbors and think about justice. The Lord commands us to do justice to love kindness or some virgins say love mercy.

And I heard John make this statement. How do we show mercy in this and show kindness? Well, if you look at an equal protection bill, you will not see in there what the punishment should be that's up to the due process and and Juries and judges that's not up to us.

And we show kindness and mercy to those who come to Christ in Repentance and trusting in him and even those who don't we seek out to show mercy and kindness to those who? Are seeking to sacrifice their pre-born child and It says to walk humbly with our God.

And what does that mean? You remember the verse that says. And such were some of you. There's no one who is innocent. There was no one who is not guilty of breaking God's law. We are all guilty. None of us are innocent before a holy God.

And so as we approach this issue We approach it with humility that we are all sinners before a holy God. Leviticus 19 18 says you shall not take vengeance nor hold any grudge against the sons of your people.

But you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I'm the Lord your God. James 2 8 if however, you are fulfilling the royal law. According to the scriptures you shall love your neighbor as yourself. You are doing well.

Psalm 89 14 righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne. Mercy and truth go before you. Proverbs 20 23. Differing weights are an abomination to the Lord and a false scale is not good. Leviticus 9 15 you shall do no injustice in judgment.

Think about these verses a pro-life legislation That allows us to choose who can be murdered and who cannot be murdered. Is that equal justice? For all the pre-born. Leviticus 19 15 you shall do no injustice in judgment.

You shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great. But you are to judge your neighbor. Fairly. Isaiah 1 15 through 17. So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide my eyes from you.

Yes, even though you offer many prayers I will not be listening. Your hands are covered in blood. Wash yourselves. Make yourselves clean. Remove the evil of your deeds from my sight. Stop doing evil. Learn to do good.

Seek justice. Rebuke the oppressor. Obtain justice for the orphan. Plead for the widow's case. Isaiah 42 4 he will not be disheartened or crushed until hey. He has established justice on the earth and the coastlands will wait Expectantly for his law.

Isaiah 10 1 woe to those who enact evil statutes. Do you catch that one? Isaiah 10 1 woe to those who enact evil statutes and to those who constantly record unjust decisions. James 2 13 for judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy.

Mercy triumphs over judgment. Proverbs 28 13 he who conceals his transgressions will not prosper. But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion. Proverbs 6 16 through 17. There are six things that the Lord hates.

Seven that are abomination to him. Haughty eyes lying tongue and hands that shed innocent blood. Daniel 10. Deuteronomy 10 17 for the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords the great and mighty.

And the awesome God who does not show Partiality nor take a bribe. So God says he does not show partiality. And what does he tell us in Deuteronomy 1 17 you Are not to show partiality in judgment. You shall hear the small and the great alike.

You are not to be afraid of any person. For the judgment is God's. So, what can we do? Remember that Galatian tells us that the law is our tutor. Which legislation is the tutor that leads us to Christ?

There was there's a Republican nominee who recently had a commercial that said I support North Carolina's common-sense 12-week abortion ban. To support any law of partiality and equal justice is not common sense.

It is sinful and brings God's judgment on our land. Isaiah 10 remember says woe to those who enact evil statutes. What are we teaching but that God is okay with the murder of innocent image-bearers. We are in fact teaching that The murderers are innocent.

We have told them that they are simply victims. We actually turn people away from Christ when we do that but remember abolitionists are willing to call sin sin because God is the God of truth and God has called us to truth and remember that abolitionists are also willing to look at themselves and say such were some of You so we are Just as guilty.

We are no less guilty than anybody else. We have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. No one is too far out of the reach for forgiveness from the Savior and that's the good news. We are all sinners and in need of the saving grace and mercy of Jesus Christ.

Practical Steps for Churches, Christians, and Legislators

So what's the first thing that we can do. First thing that we can do is repent repent of the apathy of Not pursuing love of our pre-born neighbor. We can continue to pray. Pray for our legislators. Pray for our churches.

Pray for the pre-born pray for mothers and fathers. Pray for the abolition of abortion. We can continue to evangelize the gospel as It was truthfully said earlier that it's only the gospel that can change hearts.

It's the only the gospel that can forgive sins. It's only through Jesus Christ that any of this can be accomplished and that anyone can see the father and To be living out the gospel Is to be loving our pre-born neighbors.

The next thing that we can do is be Educating our friends and family about this issue. There are some good and great resources online. The first one is you can go to Love life org. I think love love love life org Legalized life you will see the founder and an attorney Bradley Pierce and he does several session video on What Love life is pursuing what foundation to abolish abortion is pursuing as as it pertains to legislation here in North Carolina.

You can also go to foundation to abolish abortion. Go to their YouTube channel. Watch their docu-series and It has all this wonderful information and even more about the reality of what's really going on and what God would have us to be.

Doing our churches can add a resolution. Just like we did years ago with the Marriage Act. We can add a resolution to our church constitution our church bylaws to say that we are for equal protection and if you are a Southern Baptist Church The Southern Baptist Convention has already done that and we can officially if we so desire in our churches adopt What they've already passed at the Southern Baptist Convention just make our church, you know public about it and then once we do that once we pass and Make it formal an equal protection resolution in our church.

We can fulfill the duties in that resolution be obedient fulfill those Resolution duties. The next thing that we can do is contact our legislators. Let them know that We should be pushing equal protection legislation and there's Two slides that go along with this.

Our friends our brothers and sisters at OSA. I saw that they put this one out and I agree with it when it comes to contacting your legislators. If they say no abolition of abortion, we say no votes. No money.

No kidding and they want us to make a pledge. That's taking a stand. That goes against the voting for lesser of two evils sometimes it's taking a stand. The only thought that I had on this was We can do this.

However They will just say okay, that's fine because They still have many pro-life organizations that are lobbyists. That fully support them and so to our next slide what we can say to them if you find a pro-life organization that says We are not for equal protection laws.

We can also say to them no money. No donations. No volunteers that would drive the money of the lobbyists to the legislators who would then say Okay, maybe I'll lend my ear to the abolitionists now, but it's not about political strategy.

Ultimately, it's about being obedient to Christ. About a being obedient to his word. It's about the gospel. So I want to thank you for your attention. Thank you for enduring this presentation. I hope that it was informative.

Let me pray if you have any questions John Rice Cameron, he's going to come up here and help me answer those questions. So let's pray. Father we thank you for what you're doing in your church. We do want to repent for our apathy for the state of child sacrifice in America.

Work in us obedience we ask work in us courage. To fully trust in your sovereignty. In your plan because it's good. Pray this in Jesus name. Amen. So who has the first question? Yes, sir.

Legislative Strategy, Equal Protection Bills, and State-by-State Abolition

Yeah, so we're working on that right now. We we've had equal protection bills filed in about 19 states. So next session we're looking at. Probably around that number we'll see but definitely like Texas is gonna have one South Carolina is gonna have a big one.

Maybe Tennessee. It's gonna say we haven't had before and I'm working on North Carolina right now. So Basically, the first step is finding one legislator who's willing to file it. I was actually at an event last night in Gaston County where I live and I talked to like two state senators and a state Rep talked to him about equal protection.

But North Carolina is a tough state because it's it's not really a red state. It's a it's a lot, you know closer and understandably a band fortunately Republicans are. You know, oh if we push this, you know, we'll lose the election but really like once you find that one legislator that gives you the opportunity to start the conversation because.

Until we have a bill like it's hard to even have a conversation because if it's not in Legislation being you know debated and considered then, you know, it's not really a part of that political dialogue.

So the first step is, you know. Finding a legislator to file the bill and once you have a bill filed then you want to sort of rally support. You know across, you know, the churches across, you know grassroots organizations.

And say okay. This is the bill to end abortion in North Carolina. We everyone to call their legislator to support it, right and so then you know call would go out, you know. Contact your legislator tell them to support, you know, this house bill or the Senate bill.

But I think kind of in the long run. The vision for North Carolina is like first getting that yet that bill getting your foot in the door. But there's also a lot of work to be done kind of at the local party level so like each county in the state has its own like Republican Party and so.

Like ultimately we would want to get abolition of abortion in the North Carolina Republican Party platform and You kind of be surprised like not a whole lot of people show up to these Republican Party meetings.

It's but you know when they're voting on resolutions and stuff. So if we got more Christians involved kind of in the process then, you know, we could have a lot of sway a lot of authority. It was funny.

I was talking to a legislator last night. He's actually my legislator down in Gaston County. He said, you know, he said if the Christians would just show up we would control everything. So, you know taking you know, put pushing the party in a positive direction on this would be an important step simultaneously.

Advancing legislation, you know sort of consolidating the Christian Church behind this vision of equal protection. And I think once you see that legislators will increasingly get behind it. And then you know what because you've started the conversation that gives you the opportunity to change the culture right and another like that's a long answer, but the last thing I'd say is that when you think about like changing the culture.

I Got was talking to Candidate last night who's running for an office in education? And I kind of asked her is hey, how would you feel about? Introducing curriculum into the government schools in North Carolina to basically say.

Like hey, like we're gonna teach kids that life begins at conception. We're gonna educate, you know Students about the humanity of the pre-born like like all that stuff, you know, it's not a substitute for equal protection.

It's not a substitute for you know, having a bill to just abolish it but you know. We can do those things simultaneously to help kind of move the culture in the right direction.

And I would just say that there's there's a draft being written. Yeah, so that when we speak to these legislators we can say here's the bill. And then also I would include two other things. Educate educate educate.

So that's the encouragement to you as far as the practical application. When a bill is introduced we do find that champion that champion legislator. We are already working on and have been working on educating our friends and family and other churches so that They know that their support behind them.

And then the other thing too is Not sure the exact state of this situation. But I showed you these two pieces of information. We can do big things and we can do little things. Here's the Open letter with all the pro-life organizations that that sign do not support equal protection bill.

Here's the resolution from the Southern Baptist Convention. You take a real close look. There's some inconsistencies between the two a convention that passes a equal protection resolution and part of our convention That signed an open letter discouraging someone not to vote for equal protection legislation.

So one of the little things that we can do is look for inconsistencies.

And try to correct those inconsistencies where we find them. Any other questions, yes, ma 'am, so I mean in North Carolina.

Abortion is legal up to 12 weeks. It's really for mothers. It's legal at any point in the pregnancy because the law explicitly says that a mother cannot be prosecuted. For abortion, even if it's after 12 weeks, and that's what we're we're trying to change.

Unfortunately, North Carolina has become a destination state. Because other states surrounding it like Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia Have stricter laws in North Carolina. They either sort of regulate abortion around six weeks or in the case of Tennessee It's at conception.

And so what that does it means is a massive influx of people from those states into North Carolina primarily Charlotte. To get abortions as the Abortion mill on Latrobe Drive and Charlotte's where Love Life has a big presence.

I've been there a couple times to you know, pray with them once in their prayer walks and stuff. But that's like that's like the epicenter for you know abortion in the southeast. And so yeah, like if we had a law of equal protection It would certainly shut that place down.

It would also just make it a crime to assist in an abortion and also to procure one. I think it you know other states right like, Texas. You know, Texas has probably. It's not equal protection, but it has the strictest abortion law in the Western world.

Probably. If I believe that if an abortionist is caught performing an abortion like a doctor not a woman, but it's doctor. He or she could be like thrown in jail for a hundred years, right which is great, right?

Like we want that to be the law, but the problem is that that does not. You know, they're equal protection is not applied and therefore there's still a loophole that allows mothers to legally do those abortions.

Right, and that's why you're seeing the pills flooding into Texas women taking the pills like you understand. So these These these pro-life laws they've written into the penal codes of these states right saying that no Mother on whom an abortion is attempted or performed Can be prosecuted, you know under any circumstance prosecuted or convicted, right?

And so what that does is it essentially creates in the law like special murder rights for mothers and that's what's allowing the proliferation of You know abortion and of death In these states and that's kind of the the the sex like if we look at all for equal protection bills.

Like pretty much all these states have a provision like that in their penal code. No woman can be, you know Forbids the prosecution of a pregnant woman on whom an abortion is tend to perform and so usually like an equal protection bill.

It's pretty simple. All it does is it, you know, it repeals that section. So to answer your question. I'm not aware of any cases in which a mother or a Doctor has been prosecuted and that doesn't mean that that the abortionists are not necessarily following the law yet to think about it like the abortion Industry, you know it has an ideological purpose for its existence and that it wants to Promote abortion and they have this very perverse view of like a woman's choice and all that but they also exist to make money right and and so they don't want to break the law and subject themselves to legal Criminal or civil liability, right?

You know because for their first and foremost concern is self-preservation, right? So usually you don't see, you know abortionists violating these laws but I think oftentimes is partly because they feel like they don't have to like.

Abortion is still available in Texas and all these other states for basically anybody who wants it. I Will say when I was talking I did Remember a case so that there a couple months ago. There was a case in Texas down in the Rio Grande Valley where a Woman in her 20s had Taken abortion pills and obviously these abortion pills are incredibly dangerous for for women.

You know in addition to murdering children, and so she'd had complications With those pills and so she went to an emergency room down in South Texas and They asked her what was going on? And she said that she had taken abortion pills to you know abort her child.

And the sheriff in I think Starr County Didn't actually understand the abortion law in Texas. And so he arrested her. Thinking that you know, hey, he thought that abortion that Texas was supposed to be abortion free, right?

And so there's someone who's come and they've said that they've They've confessed right to committing what he thought was a crime. And so he's yeah. Well, what's arrested that she ended up spending like like two days in prison?

And but she was let out and now she is suing the you know the county and the police department there and unfortunately, she'll probably win because The reality is is that what she did? In Texas was legal.

And so like that's a case where you're seeing that like the confusion that these pro-life laws cause. Right. It's like an inconsistency in the run on the one hand. You have legislators going out there being their chest saying hey like we've ended abortion in Texas this legislation makes abortion illegal and then law enforcement tries to enforce it and You know people say oh no.

No. No, actually this law was written to acquit murderers not to put them in jail. So so that's you know equal protection would would simplify all that it would make it it would actually Make enforcement a lot easier.