December 13, 2005

The Christmas Presentation and the Challenge of Writing Narration

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Here is James white. And good morning. Welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday morning back from Tampa, Florida where this past weekend I had the great privilege of being involved with the. Okay, I'm gonna lose a few few listeners here that's okay I'm used that the Christmas presentation at Lakeside Community Chapel, I Did a little teeny tiny part of it actually and Somebody else did the big big big big big part of it, but I was asked to do something I've never done before and that is to write the narration between.

It wasn't you know back when I was at a big big big big church. We did big big big big musicals, you know, that would start months ahead of time and they had these big old sets and you know 250 voice choir and a full orchestra and I think we even did the live animal thing once.

Oh, yeah, we had it. We had a donkey once for the Easter one and things like that. But anyway. Back then you'd you do sort of this pre packaged Thing, you know, you'd had you have one book and you do from the first song the last song sometimes you'd kick one out or something like that, but You know, it was already pre-made well, that's not what we did we took songs from different presentations and songs weren't a part of a presentation at all and then.

What what Michael Fallon did who is the music minister there who also does all of our cruises so a man of many talents. He said alright, here's the overarching idea. Here's what I want to do we want to discuss this here and this here and this here and and so I took that and I think I could do better now now that I've heard the music, you know, and I've seen it and stuff like that.

You know, it was it was a tough job I got admit to look at look at these, you know, look at the titles and read the words the music and Then go. All right. We want to like one of them was discussed the protein jelly.

I'm here. And you know, I'm thinking this is a Christmas musical. Okay, you know a 15-minute excursus off into you know PL forms in the Hebrew probably not gonna work real well here, you know. We'll turn the lights back on and find everybody laying on the on the pews asleep, you know.

That kind of thing competing with the snoring so you've got to really have pacing you've got to have you know. Stuff like that and believe it or not. I know that this is this is shocking to many of you, but.

And in fact, I don't even think that rich can remember this now I think I was already out of that but Back when I was well, I was president of youth choir and then I was in a group called liberation. It's a couple years of voice Did a lot of singing was actually semi musical when I was younger and then get in the seminary and didn't have time To really do much beyond that.

So anyway I've done this this type of presentation Before oh my goodness. What on earth? That's not like a trombone or something hitting a really flat Flat thing and that was my phone on silent. Good grief.

These things are incredibly loud. My son doesn't realize that's what you get for having a telephone on steroids. Wait a minute, don't you have the same phone I have well. Yes, he did. That's my son. Why no if I want lunch.

That's very kind of him, but I need to remind him of what what day is is is which would you like to let? Let Josh know that I'm a tad bit busy here. You can what would he bring? Good question, but he'd be bringing before we're done.

So I'm not sure the program would go real well, but Yeah, anyway Live webcasting folks. That's what it's all about. No, no pretentious snobbery here. Anyways, I I Knew it had to go quickly. And so, you know, it's easy to write honestly, it is fairly easy to write a chapter on something like the proteo evangelium or Isaiah's prophecies about Christ.

That's not that difficult to do. I hate to tell you that that's not that difficult to do what is difficult to do is to summarize with clarity that material in Anywhere from 45 seconds to a minute and a half there was one narrative I had there was two minutes and 20 seconds long As probably a little bit too long, but I I started preaching there and you sort of needed to so anyway.

So we wrote all that stuff and I sent it off. Having no idea how much work had to be done on it because there was also a video presentation you know PowerPoint type stuff with that had to be timed with it and oh my goodness all this stuff and I hadn't looked real close.

I'd noticed the internal narrations and some of the songs but I really hadn't looked at them all that much and I'm sort of getting on the on the on the plane going something tells me I need to do those two and so Thankfully we had you know practice and man those those folks really worked hard.

If you go and you see one of these things I hope you realize that the people that put that on put hours and hours and hours Into that kind of presentation, but thankfully Thursday night we got to work through it and and then Saturday, you know long practices and long practice Sunday afternoon and and It went really really well and really really enjoyed it and I'll admit I I knew that I had a gospel presentation at the end.

And it wasn't till Sunday that I even started going. Okay. Now I know what everything looks like, you know I'm all those folks if I there was no way that I could write that gospel presentation that I was could Give at the end in five to seven minutes.

There's no way I could write that before. I actually had some idea of Where we were going to be standing if you know what I mean at the end of that in the sense of What would people have just experienced?

What would they have heard? What would be the total effect of that then once I had that idea once we did the the address rehearsal Then I could go. Okay, there's. That's that's the impact of this now, how do you you know, bring that home in essence and I had repeated Matthew 125 a number of times.

You should be called Jesus because he will save his people from their sins. Excuse me. That is not by the way Make them savable. But anyways, I I Just used Matthew 125 and I emphasize the fact that That text he will save his people from their sins just clangs.

I mean I didn't say this in the present day. It clangs in the modern ear. Because there's something there that the modern ear rejects and that is that we need to be saved from our sins. Sin is a disease sin is is.

Well, we all do it so it's really not that big of a deal etc, etc. It's like missing a you know, a free-throw shot. Yeah, that's yeah, it's it's well. It's not that March. Remember I told you that I saw that preached missing two kids.

Yeah, isn't that great missing the mark? Yeah, that's what sin is and everybody does it in fact in reality God not gonna hold us accountable. We don't need to be saved from missing free throws free throw shots, right?

So anyway, so I emphasize that first and then I emphasize the fact that if you're gonna be saved from your sins There's only one way to be saved from your sins. There's not multiple ways. And in fact to say there's multiple ways is to in essence Blaspheme God for having sent his son to die upon Calvary's tree.

So I I don't know how long that lasted. Maybe I'll find out sometime. I was shooting between five and seven minutes I think I was fairly close in that in that range and it was odd from my perspective because we did this Almost totally in the dark.

We had those little itty-bitty book light things and that was the only that was the only way we could see stuff was this little idiot. I had two of them and I'd sort of switch between them and making sure the batteries lasted and stuff and which they did fine and That was all I had on so really all you could see of me.

In fact, it must look really funny from a couple of angles because I had this Christmas tree behind me with all white lights. And I'm you know bald as a cue ball. So This this rather strange outline against the Christmas tree Preaching and I couldn't really see almost anybody like except like the first row.

There was just a little glow on them and everything else is just this dark outline out. There was really it was really neat, but it went really really well and really had a great time there. So I thank Mike and saw for putting up with me once again, and and you know, I I must I okay I will take responsibility.

I have once again destroyed Poor Mike's diet. I left those wonderful Cinnamon buns that you get from Costco and Price Club, you know I left a whole box of them untouched at Mike's house and he's gonna have to eat them He's he's going to he's gonna have to eat those.

Because you can't let him go to waste because we were all raised to be told that if you you know Like left anything on your plate that children will starve in Africa and I've never really figured out what the relationship was, but that's what we were told and Since you're told that so many times you're young you believe it and it just becomes a part of your psyche.

So anyways poor Mike's gonna have to eat them and I apologize for that, but Had a great time, but you know what I'm home and I put my bags away and the amazing thing is I Will not leave on a trip again until Two months from this two months from the day after tomorrow.

That is shocking that I don't know that has happened for about four years now. That I've actually been here for that length of time without flying somewhere. In fact, I became a silver elite member on my my favorite airline.

That's I I think and I know some people do 200 ,000 miles a year a quarter million miles a year. I know there are people but I'm an elder in a church. I don't want to do that. And so given that how hard I try to be at my church as regularly as possible I think I easily topped 50 ,000 miles this year 50k this year, but especially with Italy and in the United Kingdom now I'm looking forward to my next trip more than I'm looking forward to Christmas.

Okay, I'm looking forward to to February in London and Glasgow and Inverness like I it's That's gonna be Christmas for me. I mean, that's just as exciting as can be but I'm gonna enjoy the two months here, too.

That's gonna be That's gonna be nice and that probably means fairly regular dividing lines as well. How we're we're here just a couple other things. I know I'm sort of rambling but we have we missed Thursday so I'm catching you up on stuff and We just quick mention of the fact I've mentioned this on the blog.

We are moving our offices we're not moving all that far, but we we Most of you not well, you know, I'll take that back only some of you I think really realize That Alpha Omega Ministries is a very small ministry in the sense that we have always Because of what we do and how we do it sought to.

How do I how do I express this to do it with with to do it, right. To do apologetics you you need to really be careful about how you do things. We have never had Much in the way of physical stuff. I remember some of the offices.

And some of the office furniture that we we found behind dumpsters and things like that and and that's just you know That's that's not a word of complaint. That's just that we've we've made A dime scream before we would let it go used to say a penny but in our economy today, that's sort of irrelevant.

Doesn't mean much anymore. Yeah, both the buildings that we we have been in are now dirt lots. And well now that another the building is gone. But now that I think there's a subway pretty much right where our my office was.

No, there's not a No, they built it now the 116 Street. They built the strip mall a strip thing of a Bobby Wobber there at least last time I went by unless they've knocked down the new strip mall, which they just built.

So anyways Be as it may. We've we've been in some interesting places and we have really made do with a very very small small area I think I was told earlier today that my my office is what'd you say? 175 square feet something like that.

My entire library is packed into that and these stacks of books are becoming a little bit on the dangerous side especially the the Muslim ones here to my left. Concern that there's good. Come on down.

So anyways, we have found a a wonderful Opportunity we've been given a wonderful opportunity to be able to have a little more room be able to function a little bit more efficiently at it and again at a tremendously good rate.

As far as providing for that space and so we're gonna be moving in late January into February. That's there are going to be costs with that involved and I've mentioned that on the blog just briefly that you know if you Enjoy the dividing line that the blog the materials the conferences the debates, etc, etc.

Then you know remember us if you could we are not Supported by big huge corporations or anything like that. You've never heard us having a matching grant. You've never gotten a cold call sales solicitation phone call During dinner from anyone from Alpha Omega Ministries if you did they weren't representing us.

I can assure you that and So we've got that move coming up to be a lot of work a lot a lot a lot of work. And I'm I don't like moving. I I when we moved into the house we're in right now I said I hope this is zoned for For a graveyard because you're gonna bury me out back.

I just don't like it, but I recognize sometimes. It's It's sort of like upgrading your computer once in a while. You just have to do it and besides that Windows works a whole lot better when it's a fresh install to.

Anyway, that's that's coming up a Lot of debates coming up in in the in the new year on a wide variety of subjects. You've got to give us one. You got to give us one bit of credit and that is We address a wide range of subjects now people are always telling me hey James you should write a book on this hey James you should make this guy and The those that range is way beyond anything that I could ever ever even dream of doing.

I mean you would not believe the subjects that people have very seriously Suggested to me. I needed to write a book on Subjects that I'd never even heard of before to be perfectly honest with you and other subjects that I didn't even think were even semi-relevant To anything, but still we do cover a pretty wide variety of stuff.

We just try to tie it all together for example on the blog right now. We've got the Da Vinci Code series going and we're gonna be finishing that up because we're we've worked through the major stuff. There's only a few major biblical errors to address yet in the in the future and so we're gonna wrap that up and a Number of people have asked me to address the the writings of Bart Ehrman His new book misquoting Jesus the story behind who changed the Bible and why?

He is the he chairs the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He is his writings are the favorite sources for Muslim apologists and atheists and others who like to take his discussions of textual criticism and He really does.

You know it's not so much the facts of textual criticism as the spin that he places upon it now. I'm I obviously coming from the position of faith, and it's interesting. He was graduate of Moody and also went to Wheaton, and and it's sad that he then went to Princeton and and basically apostatized.

And that's really his own his own statement. He will we're gonna listen to some of what he had to say, but It's it's the spin that's placed upon these these these variations. That is the issue and unfortunately because Christians are just simply so Blessed ignorant of how they got the Bible.

And it's very difficult to get a lot of evangelicals excited about studying the history of the Bible and and doing so Without automatically attaching all the naturalistic materialism that our world crams into our brains.

That's where it becomes effective in in causing people to either lose their faith completely or or to become silent Christians who don't want to say anything because they don't believe the Word of God is really accurate and so on so forth.

Well. That's perfectly in line dealing with textual chrism. We've been doing that for a long time. I mean my book on the King James only controversy came out in 1995 was written in 1994 good grievance a dozen maybe a dozen years old pretty soon.

And so we've always dealt with the textual critical issue. And we've always recognized the support in dealing with Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and others Bible translation issues primarily with Jehovah's Witnesses, but sometimes like a John 1414 you have a textual variant.

That's relevant to the deity of Christ. That's always been a fundamental part of what we do. But we've expanded that to dealing with you know with John Dominic Ross in the Jesus seminar. Bart Ehrman's book interestingly enough is is put out by Harper, San Francisco and and Harper, San Francisco.

Interestingly enough is also the one that put out the new NT right book. So that's why they mentioned that he had co-authored a book with Marcus Borg and blah blah blah blah blah. And these are the books that end up on the shelves and and so we're dealing with those issues, too.

But they all tie together because my current studies in Islam very much of that has to do with textual criticism and transmission in the New Testament constant accusations of the corruption of the text on the part of Islamic apologists and so it all fits together it all comes together and and the nice thing about that.

And I've always thanked the Lord for this I Said many times. I'm very thankful that the Lord did not allow us to be a single issue apologetics organization. It's not not necessarily something wrong with that.

I mean there are certain people you know Gerald and Sandra Tanner their issue is is Mormonism and more power to them and thank God for them and and so on and so forth but Unfortunately what you do often see is people becoming imbalanced where that one group that they deal with is Hiding behind every bush.

They're behind all the evils in the world. You've seen people deal with Roman Catholicism well the Vatican's behind everything deal with Mormonism Mormons behind everything blah blah blah blah and Their exegesis of the biblical text becomes imbalanced as a result of that.

Since they're always pulling one direction like it like in a tug-of-war since they're always pulling one direction. They can become very imbalanced in their in their own Christian life. They sort of become the negative image of the group.

They're always fighting with well We've we've never been able to be in that position. We start off dealing with Mormonism, but very quickly people were asking questions about Jehovah's Witnesses and and Roman Catholicism came along right after that and and so we've always had to be very Consistent in what we're saying in the in the core issues.

Because if you start getting off-center and dealing with one group. Then there's other groups over here, and they've got imbalanced the other direction and so Dealing with more than one of those groups is forces you if you're going to honor truth anyways to be consistent in what you're saying in all of those areas and I've been very thankful that that that has been the case in in our experience, and it is difficult to know where to walk the line and in as far as What you're going to address and what you're not going to address.

You know I was looking at some of the books I've picked up and There's a lot of interest in the emergent church, but you know what I don't have any interest in it. I really don't and I think the Lord's going to give you an interest in those areas where your skills are going to be.

There are lots of people to address the emergent church issue. No one needs me to do that. You know when I've published books. I've always tried to not reinvent the wheel. It's I don't write books just simply to write a book.

There's there's no reason to do that. There's a really really really good book on a subject I'm not gonna write a book on it. Why do that? I you know there's there's there's no reason to. And the same thing in dealing with issues like that.

There's no reason to to be going into an area where I don't have any particular expertise. You know people ask what do you think about this? I just want to say you know what in that area since this is not my area my opinion is is no more weighty Than than any other well-read layman with a good theological background.

You know that's that's just all there is to it and and I that's one of the reasons when people write to me, and they ask questions sometimes I don't even answer because I Would have to do so much work to even answer it.

And I know that the tendency is well if I say something I'm gonna be held accountable to that till till the till the cows come home in fact They're gonna put all this this weight upon what I say about that even when I'm just giving my opinion on something It's really not relevant to You know to My areas of study and so I I literally have to be careful about my conversations.

And who I'm having them with if I don't know a person. I'm gonna be very hesitant to say a whole lot in a conversation simply because of the fact that You know this person may end up putting on a blog someplace, and and now I've got a you know defend all that I just don't want to so anyways that's That's neither here nor there.

It's just I'm thankful that we have had the kind of ministry. We've had and Of course that has limited our size and and always will I think thankfully? Because Goodness, I'll tell you I've seen some very large ministries have some very large problems.

Because they got really a little bit bigger than than their foundation allowed them to be shall we say not talking about financially either though. That's one big huge issue is I just simply refuse to sit here blathering on about how if you don't give $66 .67 right now God's gonna God's gonna take us off the air and all that kind of garbage that I See all the time on television and here on radio and just just want to Go listen to some pretty classical music or something like that instead of putting up with that so anyhow.

Yeah, six six dollars. I think that was yeah. It's just off of six six six isn't it? I think that was I forget what the number was but I saw that what's there? What's her name Paula white is she did she's down in Tampa someplace isn't she I?

Keep forgetting to ask a unicle man to take me by so I can just I can shake the dust off my feet or something. There is no dust in Florida. It's too humid to have dust, but anyway I Guess that doesn't work there, but she's the the chick that can talk faster than the FedEx, dude.

Is that? You know if you know what I mean, and she was this just a couple weeks ago. She was somewhere in the Psalms blasting away at some $60 number and how God was gonna Release you yes, I remember.

Oh, man. I was laughing so hard So disgusting she is she I tell you she could out-talk anybody. I've I have never I mean the FedEx guy honestly and some people I remember the FedEx commercial. But the guy who talks super fast he would have a hard time keeping up with that chick I mean she is the energizer bunny of false teachers.

She's just just Unbelievable pure marketing pure you know making money off the gospel and oh man Anyways, she's she's she is just something something else to listen to but that's where I got the 60 some odd dollar thing I don't remember.

It's maybe 63 something. I don't know, but yeah, Psalm 66 66 honestly I think that's what it was. I think it was it was based on some biblical passage or something I don't know what it was, but Anyhow, I have now burned 25 minutes.

Just yammering away because we didn't have the dividing line last week I Did want to address one thing and and I keep I haven't mentioned the phones are open at eight seven seven seven five three three Three four one a couple a couple things real quickly here before we take a break I got while I was traveling.

One of the reasons I didn't I wasn't really Yapping a lot in email when I was traveling is when one of the problems you have when you travel is I can get mail. But I can't send it unless I go into the net and go into a you know Like yahoo thing and cut and paste stuff and it's just it's just a pain.

It really is so I receive while I was on the road a Email from our Islamic apologist a friend there nadir Ahmed or Ahmed depending on how you want to pronounce that H and Basically to make long story short.

Once again, he said and and we've we've had some conversations with at least one Muslim who's coming to channel? We've had some very nice conversations in about theology. But he has said that that this gentleman will not come on unless he is the term he used was heralded or announced.

And and given equal time in other words He will not call the program to respond what we've said unless we have a formal debate where he has equal time now. Of course, he's already gotten a tremendous amount of time.

We have played his comments in context on this program and then responded to them so he's already been given a Tremendous amount of exposure as far as that is concerned to to make his points and then the problem is we've then demonstrated those points are wrong that he's actually off base and so on so forth and so Everybody knows.

You know, you can listen to the last program we did when when when when Charles called in. We had a little bit of a discussion about the the Lutheran situation and the anti-calvinist Lutherans are out there and So on so forth that people will be treated fairly when they call this program.

They don't have to call up and say okay I get one minute and then you get one minute and then you then I get 30 seconds then you get 30 seconds. They don't have to do that. And I have told This gentleman that if he calls in he will be allowed to make his points and we will interact and I I'll be Straight up front with you.

He has no basis for saying he's not going to call in unless we make it a formal debate because I've been doing this program since the 1980s and anyone who listens to this program and and takes advantage of the archives and and Goes back we'll see that I don't need to play games with someone and if this gentleman calls in I Can let him say all he wants to say and I will prove him wrong because he is wrong.

I have the facts. He doesn't have the facts and that's why he's not calling. I'll be perfectly up front with you. He's not calling because I told him I said look If you're going to attack the New Testament and you're gonna attack the textual critical foundation of the New Testament.

You will be challenged on the basis of the original languages. I will have a critical edition of the New Testament sitting right in front of me and I will challenge you point by point and You better be prepared to respond.

That's why he won't be on is If you're given equal time where you don't have to do interaction and that's why I will not do Debates anymore. I made a big mistake last year when I didn't check a debate closely enough and find out it had no cross-examination.

Folks if you've learned anything from listening to my debates, you've learned this a Debate takes place in the cross-examination. That's when you find out up until then all you have are competing presentations and that's all this gentleman wants.

He wants competing presentations of the same length. He can make his points and He doesn't have to respond to what's what is Called cross-examination not going to happen not on this program. He would be treated fairly.

He knows that the the facts are in. And if he doesn't want to call us just because he doesn't want to call all the rest of these excuses just have their excuses. They don't have any meaning. Because a foundation would have to be provided to say hey, you don't treat people fairly you have a long history this no I don't okay.

In fact, I have a I have a history of being on programs where I'm not treated fairly and I live through it you know what that's just life you do the best you can and So, you know if if the tables were turned I would Certainly be more than happy to put myself in the position of answering questions if someone had given my presentation the kind of review that had been provided here, so I I'm just gonna say listen to the comments that I made about 25 minutes into the program I'm not even gonna bother writing a long email.

I've been over this too many times already. Sir, if you want to call in the phone lines are open if you don't want to call in. Just fine. Just there's just one thing any of your followers who say I'm quote-unquote afraid of you.

That'll simply be a demonstration a clear Demonstration of the fact these folks just are not functioning any type of factual or logical foundation whatsoever. That's that's just all there is to it 877 -753 -3341 we're gonna take a break and then I've got some Bart Ehrman Material and also some stuff on Calvinism to get to or your phone calls all depends.

We'll be right back.

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The Bible, Textual Criticism, and the Bart Ehrman Discussion

Welcome back to the dividing line. I Was sent a link there. There is no end of links. I really wonder if there is any remember that that TV commercial they had last year I think it was where this guy is sitting there surfing along and also it says warning you have come to the end of the internet and I don't think that is really possible longer.

I Don't think there is any end of the Internet the Internet's becoming well Skynet. We know what's gonna happen in the future anyway. And I was sent this this this link That there is no end to the To the Dave Hunt style of Misuse of history, it's it's easy by being selective in your citation and by Utilizing standards for other people that you would never ever ever Want to be applied to you by the generations that will come after you.

To make John Calvin look like a terrible horrible man. John Calvin was a sinner and he admitted that much John Calvin did not want to take the role that he took in life. He wanted to be a quiet scholar.

He wanted to live in a library. I understand that kind of desire. He did not want to be in the position he was in but the fear of God was struck in him and he felt it was his duty to do so and sometimes God's call is Such that we minister in an area that is difficult for us and not not necessarily easy.

I was sent this This link to this Bible life org, it's King James only attack on on Calvin and Calvinism and as far as the actual teachings of Calvinism there's nothing here. That's any that's new. I mean You've got your standard silliness from Dave Hunt maybe this is where Dave Hunt got it or there's barring from Dave Hunt or there's just simply a Entire, you know mountain of stuff out there.

I don't know but be as it may. It's just so sad to see Christian people of the past ravaged by by individuals who will not even try to be semi Fair as to what they're saying. There there's all sorts of You know and I was asked to respond to this and I'm you know Calvin John Calvin's murder of people who held different doctrinal views.

That sounds you know, it's real easy to get people all excited about that as long as they're completely ignorant of history. The only people are impressed by this type of stuff is is that you are completely Ignorant of the entire history of Of Well all of history of that period and Toto you know as soon as I start hearing somebody beating the cervidis drum, I just roll my eyes and I and you know ask a few basic questions and you know, I understand these people are well Yes, but they're a little bit like people back in the medieval times that that suffered from what's called anachronism.