Caller Driven Dividing Line

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now. It's 602 nine seven three four six zero two or toll-free across the United States. It's one eight seven seven seven five. Three three three four one and now with today's topic.

Here is James white.

Upcoming Debates, Travel, and Ministry Support

And good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line. My goodness. It is already the 12th of August and I think we're gonna be able to do something from Detroit next week because my Recording I got the recording schedule.

We're gonna be doing and it's all gonna be afternoon evening stuff. So might be able to work out something now. Detroit. I believe is in the eastern time zone for some odd reason. So we might be able to work something out say 10 30 11 ish something like that Eastern Time a couple times next week.

Maybe we'll see as long as we've got good internet from the hotel and stuff like that. But just a reminder for those of you in the Detroit area. Starting the 17th through the 20th. Well, you don't have to be in Detroit area for everybody.

Aramaic broadcasting network ABN. I believe it's a BN sat .com. I think is the URL each evening live Jesus or Muhammad live. I will be on all four nights and we're trying to schedule another marathon.

Sometime around early December actually good try to. I think what I might try to do is work that out. With my trip to st. Louis my annual trip. Can you believe it? I'm gonna be in st. Louis first weekend of December for the 11th consecutive year 11 years same church same weekend 11 years.

That's that's a pretty amazing record and I feel sorry for those folks, but they love me and I love them so all as well. Try to work something out maybe to be a part of the Jesus or Muhammad marathon at that particular time.

But next week 17th to the 20th Aramaic broadcasting network, then the 21st and the 22nd God and culture conference. Information should be on my blog. I need to repost that blog entry. I will try to get that done.

Obviously doing a lot of stuff. I'm gonna have to be doing a bunch of preparation next week. I don't like preparing on the road, but sometimes you have to. For the debates on the 28th and 30th those of you in the New York area Saturday the 28th and Monday the 30th 28th on the sinlessness of Mary and the concept of the Immaculate Conception and on the 30th Is the New Testament evil those debates banners beautiful debate banners done by Hasim son of Ramallah?

King of graphics on our website. Click on those for information on the time and location and all the rest of that neat fun stuff and then Rocketing right into September straight from that point the two debates with Robertson Janice in Santa Fe and then in October could be up in Minneapolis my hometown Conference up there the doctrines of grace and the very next week up in Newburgh.

For the debate with Robertson Janice on purgatory get home home for a few days off with Paul washers ministry heart cry ministries to Peru to train pastors there and so we have a busy busy busy busy time, please remember the ministry in your prayers and.

Yes, yes every once in a while I need to remind folks since we get new listeners. We are not a bunch of rich folks sitting around on somebody's big donation the vast majority of our support comes from from small Donations added on at the end of you know buying some debates or something like that.

And in fact if I could mention something, you know, we're trying to put especially the Muslim debates on YouTube. If you like that if you find that to be useful, could I suggest something to you buy it on DVD?

But but I'm watching it on YouTube I know but we've got to be able to keep doing that kind of stuff. So we need your help. We need your support. It has been costly doing some of the things we've done recently not just the traveling still need some help in that area though.

We got one donation. It really helped a lot for this Falls travel. I'm really gonna need to talk with everybody about Making it possible for me to get to London in in February. It looks like a possibility.

We're gonna try to work something out if you saw the debate with Tony Costa and Bassam Zawadi. It just so happens in God's providence that Bassam Zawadi said he's going to be trying to get to the UK in February as well.

Obviously therefore we will attempt to make our schedules fit. So that I'd be very honored get a chance to debate Bassam there in the UK. But most importantly Doug McMaster's and I Planned last time when I was in the UK.

I I want to see some of the Papyri that are in Dublin and in Manchester Oxford places like that I have a project in mind that I think would be very apologetically useful and so please pray toward the end that that's that that will be able to happen and If you want to be involved in helping that to happen, please consider supporting the ministry.

So lots of stuff going on how many debates? Oh, and I totally forgot. I apologize. One month from this Saturday. Well, actually, it's gonna be a Tuesday. So would it be one month from next Tuesday? I don't know how you figured that out, but it's September 14th I am going to be doing another debate.

Craziness who is the guy schedules my events anyways, oh, that's me. Never mind fire him. Just well. The biggest concern I have as I get older is I'm gonna get into a debate with a with a Muslim and say well That's why you shouldn't follow Joseph Smith.

The Pope has led you astray or something like that, you know, and I did today. I was on with Todd Friel on wretched radio it's gonna air tomorrow on wretched radio and Well, actually Todd did this first.

He started that we talked about two things. We talked about Glenn Beck and Mormonism and then we talked about Ergon Kanner and When he we did it in two segments and so when he started the second segment he had the done done done the the dragnet music going and He started off saying is he a Mormon is he?

Oh, man. I got my cults mixed up start. Stop that. Let's let's let's try it again. Let's both start with him and I did the same thing a few minutes later I said some of the Mormons I said, I'm sorry Muslims.

They both start with M and you know, I Have never claimed Infallibility and I've I've even put I've even put videos up as it just recently of Of me making mistakes like the 1550 5 Stefanos X. No, it's 1550 Stefanos X.

But anyhow be that as it may I do not claim Infallibility so I I make mistakes too so I could make that kind of that kind of error on the 14th of September. This is especially for those of you who are you know Do things like pray for this ministry and pray for this crazy Apologist who would be running around with his hair on fire if he had any hair to have on fire, but I do not Gillette Mach 2 Mach 3 Mach 3 Mach 2 is very old Mach.

There was even a Mach 2 was there I don't think there was Mach 3 and their new proglide isn't bad. Very expensive. Just ridiculously expensive. I don't know. Anyhow on the 14th of September we are going to be doing the two-man debate I don't know who we're debating yet.

But Michael Brown and I are going to be defending the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity and the deity of Christ against sir Anthony buzzard and another Unitarian and So I have put some of sir Anthony buzzard stuff back on my nano for the rides to Catch up with that stuff.

So Be praying for that as well. That's gonna be live here in Phoenix. I don't have to go anyplace I'm gonna have to get in a car drive to a studio, but obviously Michael Brown will be coming here and That'll be on the Jewish voice broadcast so we won't have control over that.

But hopefully we'll be able to maybe purchase it from them and make it available I don't know, but we will find out that'll be September 14th. It's gonna be very very busy week I think that's two days.

Is that two days after or just before? I don't know. I'd have to look at my schedule it's very close to the base of Roberts Jenna, so I'm I Normally don't schedule myself this way. But when someone contacts to say hey, would you would you team up with with Michael Brown to do a debate?

What am I supposed to say? That's too close to another debate. I'm not gonna do that. No, I you know as long as I'm still fairly young. Relatively young. Okay, I'm middle-aged, but I feel young. We keep doing it while we can do it.

We've still got the freedoms to do it. And so, you know, obviously once again, my hope is When this ticker stops ticking I will have produced a a large body of work that will benefit people for a long period of time.

That's my goal. That's that's what we're doing around here. So anyhow eight seven seven seven five three, three, three, four one and by Skype a dividing that line. We actually have Skype line Skype call lined up and so Let me just get this out of the way because there's one phone call on it and then we'll dive into our calls just.

Obviously there there starting to get lots of inquiries at Liberty this morning on the Liberty newspaper there the news in advance in Lynchburg, Virginia. Article showed up. Canner remains on faculty at LU the former Dean of Liberties University Seminary still a member of the faculty LU officials said Wednesday as Reports circulated that he had cleared out his office this week.

Eric and canner is now a faculty member at LU. Chancellor Jerry Falwell jr. Said Tuesday night in an email to the news in advance. Isn't it weird now. Hasn't he always been? It's almost like saying he is now.

And I'll follow his comment read from the university statement in June that canner whose contract as Dean Was not being renewed would continue as a faculty member. Johnny Moore spokesman for the university said Wednesday that canner would teach online courses now about you.

But teaching an online course is the perfect job for someone who is looking for a job. You don't have to be interacting with a whole lot of students. It's all I could you can do it from wherever you are.

Mmm. Obviously the story continues to develop and I have a feeling there's gonna be further developments in the not-too-distant future. And and we will see but dr. Canner will likely be teaching online courses this fall, but his course load hasn't yet been determined.

Really? This fall. That's coming up awful quick. That I don't know this all this sounds just a little bit strange to me. But we will see. All right, we continue on. Let's go to our Skype caller and talk with Landon.

Hi Landon. How are you? Hi, dr. White. Thanks for taking my call. I'm very thankful for your ministry and all the work that you do and Wait, my wife and I pray for you consistently, please. Keep up the good work brother.

Well, thank you. That's what we need to hear. Thank you. It also sounds like you're sitting right? It also sounds like you're sitting right next to me, which is really still very creepy, but that's good.

Okay. Yes my question was what is the technical difference between apostasy and heresy and how can I know that I am definitively a Christian and based on the Doctrine of Perseverance of the Saints will not fall into either of those like what assurance can I have?

Well, the the two are related, but they're very very different apostasy. From from the Greek term apostanide to to literally means to fall away and the act of apostasy the the primary act of apostasy found in the New Testament is the denunciation or denial of Jesus Christ by going back to The old Jewish sacrifices that certainly in Hebrews that certainly seems to be related to what John's talking about in a denial of The incarnation of Christ or or something like that.

So it has to do with a denial that Jesus Christ is who he claimed to be and did what he accomplished He claimed to accomplish and what the Apostles taught that he had accomplished and so apostasy would would be a profession of Of the faith and then a denial thereof heresy comes from the root word to choose but it is utilized in the sense of choosing to believe something other than the apostolic Message and generally there there is two kinds of heresy there.

There is damnable heresy Where you adopt which is which would be where the semantic domains cross with apostasy? Where you adopt a belief or a teaching that in that would? necessitate the denial of the central aspects of the Christian faith, but then there are heresies that Involve a An acceptance of or an adoption of a belief that is certainly unbiblical or even anti-biblical but not in the area of That's actually definitional of of the of the gospel itself.

And so that you can you can have a heresy you could you can hold to a heresy that does not necessarily Send you to the the pits of hell because you're not denying who Jesus Christ was or did or something like that.

Now the problem is a lot of folks want to Cross their T's and dot their I's so carefully that that they make connections between even the most minute differences of opinion. Turn them into heresy and hence say if you don't agree with me on This whole plethora of things that means you're fundamentally denying who Jesus was and what Jesus did.

And therefore you know they draw a very very very tight circle around themselves some people so tight that they have to stand on one Foot to stay in the circle because they're the only person that's saved.

Then on the other side you have the the post-modernist or the liberal Today that draws the circle so wide you can't even define what Christianity is now the second question Is a little more interesting in the sense.

I'm sort of wondering exactly what you're what you're going for. I Mean the the believer who professes that the Jesus Christ has come in the flesh that he was the Son of God. They died on the cross for our sins was raised for our justification.

That's a physical resurrection that he's returning again, and that these things are presented to us in the Word of God. You know are you are you are you asking about? Being concerned in falling into error.

Not knowing that or are you more going toward the does the Spirit of God? Promise to protect me from doing that kind of thing. I'm not sure which direction you were going there. I like how you worded it the second way that is my concern as I sift through I've had to grow a lot dr. White honestly I was raised a devout pagan, and I got saved in a very charismatic Church, so I grew out of some really bad you know thanks, you know thank the Lord for Hank Hanegraaff and Counterfeit revival and you know Christianity in crisis because that brought me out of some bad doctrine.

I've grown into You know the reformed faith. I very much a reformed Baptist, and I'm actually a member at dr. Sproul's Church, St. Andrews here in Sanford and I just I've had to grow so much. I just want to know is there security does the Spirit promise security to keep me in Genuine doctrine or saving faith.

You gave perfect definitions of apostasy and and heresy. I know people throw around heresy all the time right you know if you believe in limited atonement That's a heresy. You know I mean people throw that stuff around so my concern is do I have assurance that I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and not be seduced by apostasy.

Yeah, well That's really more of a question of what is what is the nature of? The assurance that one receives from the Spirit of God because You know what might cause a person to deny Jesus Christ and Apostasy is a reality that we see around us anyone who has been in the church for any period of time Has a list of people.

And I don't mean a list of people that we've seen on the internet. I mean a list of people That in our own experience in the church We know and are no longer a part of the fellowship and and our hearts are broken about that and and so it's not just a Hypothetical thing.

I'm sitting here right now thinking of one individual from our own fellowship from years ago and Only only young Christians who are who are inexperienced don't have that that list and so we all We all think about it and we think and we think about it seriously.

And so I don't I don't approach this from an ivory tower and from you know, some type of disconnected position. I'm an elder in a church and and we've seen people who have who have gone away and It's it's a serious subject and the Bible treats it seriously.

Hebrews treats it seriously but at the same time We have the the Bible's teaching that salvation is first and foremost the act of God wherein he is just he is glorifying himself and God is not glorified in apostasy in the sense that A true believer united Jesus Christ could be lost.

I mean that would directly violate what the Father's will for the Son is as revealed in John 6 39 so there has to be something about the nature of apostasy that is revealed therein and What is revealed therein is the fact that true saving faith is the work of the Spirit of God and that means that both the area that you're concerned in that is remaining true to the truth remaining faithful to the truth confessing the truth about who Jesus Christ is what the gospel is so and so forth is directly related to Your continuation in faith in Jesus Christ.

The subjective experience of your salvation the nature of the Spirit's work in your life. It's all of one thing. It's it's not different things. I think it's one of the real dangers that a lot of people have in their theology is they.

They posit a difference between what they profess to believe and what they experience in their life. And and the reform perspective is there there can't be any difference. The one same self same spirit Who has caused me to be born again the self same spirit who has caused me to confess faith in Jesus Christ is the very same?

Spirit who continues that work within me and who continues to conform me to the image of Jesus Christ, and so it's all part and parcel the same thing and so the assurance that I have as a believer is First of all that which is based upon the finished work of Jesus Christ.

There is no question That Jesus Christ will save every single one of those that are given to him by the Father that is without question. The only question that that that is real For us is not Christ's ability to save his people.

But the question is what about deception? That we we know people we we've seen people that the the the the Antichrist's in first John were in the fellowship and there is a period of time when they made a profession of faith.

But they did not continue in that profession of faith the he who endures the end shall be saved. That's a description of saving faith. And so there is a sense in which we grow in our assurance. That's what first John 5 is all about when it when when John says these things I've written that you might know that you have eternal Life, it's not a you look at the ticket and it's punched and therefore all as well.

It is a the fact that we look through first John and we see that we love the brethren not necessarily Perfectly because of any man's sins we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous.

But we do love the brethren and we love Jesus Christ and we love his truth. We desire to walk in the truth and When we see ourselves being described as believers in that text. That is what gives us assurance now I I don't know how long you have walked the Lord now from what you were saying.

It doesn't sound like you know, 30 years. Could I ask just a ballpark figure how long you've known the Lord? Yeah, the Lord saved me in summer of 98. Okay, so you're looking at a little over a decade.

I think it would be unusual if I as a believer for four decades Did not have a more mature Assurance than you just over one decade because the question would be what have I been doing for? 2 .8 decades if if I haven't been growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, so there is a maturity in assurance that comes over time when you walk through deep dark valleys of great difficulty and you you come out on the other side and you have You you continue to have that saving faith that is evidence that that saving faith has come from the Holy Spirit of God and that.

And that he is working in your life and so on and so forth. So you have the the objective reality the perfection of the work of Christ you have that growing assurance that a believer has. That as you experience obedience in your life as you experience a hungering and thirst for godliness.

That is going to increase Your assurance of your relationship to Christ and as you as you experience his faithfulness that that obviously Grows and and I will never ever forget again I'm talking subjectively here, but I will I will never forget as a a new elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church Going with my fellow elder Don Frye to to visit a former elder who was on his deathbed and to to be there only a matter of hours before he passed into eternity and to see The the evidence of the work of the Spirit of God even the weakness of his physical body in his his trust as He faced eternity that Jesus Christ was his all-in-all and that the righteousness of Jesus Christ would avail before a holy God.

That's that's I. What what a possession. What a what a glorious thing to see that and did that obviously encourage me, of course it did. That's why we are put into a body and are are meant to have fellowship with one another and are meant to go through those Difficult times together because it changes us it changes our lives.

I think of a couple of years ago a member of our church and he listens to this broadcast. He just moved away so I hope his move has gone smoothly and he's settling in where he is he and his family, but a member of our church had a child born that Just no matter that we prayed for for months that this child would live and it was not the Lord's the Lord's will for that little baby to live and to to see he and his wife's faith to be at the hospital when.

When things look like and there are a number of times when it looked like it was all over with. To to hear his profession that that God is good even in the midst of these tremendous difficulties. Did that have an effect on me?

Did I grow in grace? Did I grow in an understanding of God's goodness? You better believe it. Does all of that add up over time to where when I sit back I go. Wow, look at look at all the things God has done in my life and look at his faithless.

Look at the consistency of his character over time. What a what a tremendous bulwark that is. In the midst of trial and difficulty. So yeah I hope we grow in the grace and knowledge Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that we means we likewise grow in the assurance that we At the same time so there's it's multifaceted we cannot limit it and and boil it down to just one aspect.

Very good. Thank you very much. Dr. Why. I was a perfect answer. Um, I was also wondering if I could just get your your comments on your opinion of the Southern Baptist Convention. Put the put the clutch in here pull it out of fourth gear down diverse gear here.

And In what way briefly. Okay. Yeah, I speak recently spoken with dr. Steven Lawson. He was at a convention down here and he seemed encouraged that there is a group of Reformed Brethren within the SPC Al Mohler himself saying that the old Armenians are dying off.

They don't have a lot of younger guys within them but yet I speak with other young SBC pastors and they seem to think that the contentions are so strong and The disunity is so big that the SPC is just going to shut down in five years.

I just wanted your personal opinion on that. Do you think it can be reformed? It's being reformed or is it just going to shut down and well, I I certainly don't believe the Southern Mass Convention is shut down.

There there you know, I think the best person in the world to to ask about that's Tom Askell. Tom has his His finger on on the pulse. I I really don't. But I I know a tremendous number of good godly men.

And it is very encouraging to see young men. I met a young man this this week named Tyler. I was very encouraged to hear sigh Ten brook and caught on Unbelievable radio broadcast and I'm gonna be meeting him next week when I'm speaking at a Reformed Baptist Church in the Detroit area.

It's great to see these young men vibrant Zealous, I see myself there 25 years ago and You know God continues to build his church and he's I don't think he's done with the Southern Babs Convention in any way shape or form.

And I do see an openness in the part of a number of people there. Are they gonna run into the old crusty's? Yeah, but The fact the matter is the vast majority the old crusty's Do not accurately represent the position that they're denying and people know it and they see it people are seeing what what the Norm Geisler's and Dave hunts of the world are doing and they're seeing these things and You know, we're going into a it's good there's difficult times ahead in the United States of America and Western culture and that makes people very serious about their faith and That's one of the things that I have to keep holding on to, you know.

It's easy for me to lack faith in regards to how we're gonna keep this ministry going if there's Economic failure in the future and things like that and yet I also need to remember, you know what God's people not only are generous people but they they resonate with people that are serious about what they're saying and They're serious about the gospel and they're serious about the defense of the faith.

And that's what I've got a I've got a you know Glom on to there and that's the same thing in the Southern Babs Convention. So but the best person I would direct you to for a much more in-depth answer and with much more hands-on experience we Tom Askell a great brother in the Lord and He really knows what's going on there, but we got full lines here Landon.

So we're gonna move on. Is that all right? All right. Yeah. Thank you, brother. Thanks for calling. God bless. Bye. Bye. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Let's go to plain old landlines here, but that's okay.

2 Peter 2:1 and the Meaning of Bought

Let's talk with John. Hi John. Hey, thanks for taking my call. Dr. White. Yes, sir. I'd be an apologist one day perhaps maybe after I retire or so.

Well, we. I'm a mathematician right now. Oh my goodness. Well, we are all apologists one way or another and so. You're a mathematician. Well, we could have could have used you in channel a little while ago.

We. Anyway, what's going on?

From the other day $1 somebody but at 2nd Peter. Chapter 2 verse 1.

Okay, real quick question. Have you read the Extensively long article on 2nd Peter 2 1 at ailment org. No, I haven't. Okay, I'll direct you to that because we have full lines and I'll give you an answer but It's it's there.

There's a lot of material to go into and Simon Escobedo Wrote a an excellent article. It's in the reformed theology section. If you click on articles, it takes you back to the 1990s vintage Website version of our articles which have never been updated.

But there's a whole thing there on 2nd Peter 2 1 But but just just briefly Depending on what the assertion is. Generally the assertion is that the The phraseology Utilized in 2nd Peter is that denying the master who bought them the assumption being a this is Jesus B bought means to Die for them on the cross and therefore since these are false teachers that Therefore this demonstrates universal Atonement.

Is that the general gist? Yeah. Yeah, right. Okay. All right, just just a couple of things to to look at their To understand in fact, I let me see if I can Put this in our chat channel for folks there.

They might find it to be. Oh, it didn't pop up. Oh, well I tried to post this in our chat channel for the folks who are following along there. Just a couple of things to focus on. First of all, this is not a soteriological passage it is odd that people would attempt to determine the breadth of the atoning work of Christ by going to a passage that is Condemning false teachers rather than going to the specific text in Hebrews and other places That specifically identify not only the perfection of the work of Christ But specifically refer to the many and and the fact they're perfected by the work rights all the rest that type of stuff.

So the first thing is to to point out that this is this is an a at best. Well, if this means this and this means this then it would mean this rather than going to the positive text And establishing a universal atonement.

Secondly the term that is used for and in the New American Standard It says master some of the translations say the Lord who bought them. The Greek term there is despot. Ace. It is not the normal term courios That is used in salvific texts despot.

Ace. You see you hear the normal term despot there, which we take into English in a rather negative sense but it means a sovereign Lord one that can act without reference whatsoever to His subjects or to anything else an absolutely Powerful Lord and that is the terminology.

It's being used here. Secondly The term that is used for bought is agar adzo and in every place where agar adzo is used in regards to the atoning work of Christ there is always a Price mentioned purchased by his blood etc, etc.

If this is referring to a salvific agar adzo a redemption rather than a The despot assigning to someone a role as you have back in Deuteronomy 32 Excuse me. Then this would be the one exception to the rule.

You would have to say this is the one place where the salvific work of Christ is in is in light. But for some reason it's the one place where the the price that is to be used Is is never is never mentioned.

As that article will go into when you go into the Old Testament text you'll find Old Testament texts that use agar adzo and this language Desperate that does taste language of a sovereign Lord assigning certain people even to positions of Judgments and that'll go into that.

So that's the background of the second Peter 2 1 text. It's it's a it's a long article. Yeah, I got it up here. Okay, you got there.

What advice would you have to a young apology somebody who wants to be an apologist to this somebody who works full-time? I study systematic theology when in-depth. Oh.

Yeah, I think that that choice right there is the most important one that is.

Yeah, but left my own devices. I would take that to the degree and get the equivalent of a PhD in systematic theology before. How much do I? Right.

Right, well that is where you'll get an exactly opposite answer from me than you would get from William Lane Craig who suggested people Study the philosophy and not theology obviously from my perspective.

The theology is first and I would say that in studying systematic theology, I Am very much a biblical theologian and I think the original languages are absolutely vital. I don't care what you're studying if you're studying systematic theology.

You'll you will read great theologians and yet even great theologians will say some pretty silly things about certain texts and you have to be able to Go into the exegesis those texts and even then you can look at the greatest exegetes and sometimes exegetes have Blind spots or carelessness or more often than not a political agenda denominational agenda, whatever else it might be and so I.

You can you can get started on Greek and as a mathematician you've already got Yeah, you've already got you've got that you've got the alphabet down already. I would imagine so that's not a that's not a big deal I would I would put it very high on the priority list and very early on in the studies because I consider it I consider an absolute tool a foundational element to be able to go there.

And if he at least you do Greek even then The vast majority of your citations of the Old Testament from the Greek Septuagint anyways, so that that gives you a real head start. I'm not saying don't study Hebrew.

But what I am saying is the vast majority of your your citations can be in in Greek anyway.

Well, I found that there's a common presupposition that I'm not convinced is necessarily true. Okay. Well, but if it's true with an old or if there's necessarily denied creation.

Interesting. Well, obviously having the having the languages down is is extremely helpful. It's not a Gnostic Initiation into something, you know, I've said many times What is the original Greek saying?

Well, it's pretty much same thing The English says but it does it is absolutely vital to evaluate Claims people make in regards to things so highly recommend it. All right. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay.

Thanks, John. All right. Bye-bye. By the way, I don't know if anyone put that in channel Skype lines. Oh, oh, it says has lots of Skype Skype lines open. He can have more than one. Never mind, that's okay.

Just just nod. Yes or no, he can have more than one sort of yes and no, okay. It's a bit of a nuanced answer. He can put them all on hold but he'd have to transfer them over here, which takes a few seconds before we connect up.