April 2, 2020 Show with Dr. Curt Daniel on “The History & Theology of Calvinism”

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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this second day of

April 2020 and I have known of my guest today for decades.

I've known him.

I think known of him.

Ever since I became a born -again believer in Christ in the 1980s and Especially I have

known of him because I was saved in a Reformed Baptist Church.

And he is a well -known and beloved figure amongst Reformed Baptists and Reformed people in general.

His name is.

Dr. Kurt Daniel he's an author and pastor of Faith Bible Church of Springfield,

Illinois, he's also a well -known as being a Bible or should I say a a book

buyer and seller and collector and that's how I got to know who he is Many years ago, and I'm

so thrilled that I finally have the opportunity for the very first time ever to have him on the show.

We're going to be addressing a monumental nearly 900 page Masterpiece that

he has created the history and theology of Calvinism.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to iron sharpens iron radio for the very first time ever.

Dr. Kurt Daniel.

Well before I go into your personal testimony of salvation which many of our listeners

know is a tradition on iron sharpens iron radio when we interview a guest for the first time they They

give a summary of their salvation testimony.

That is if they are a Christian.

There there are occasions Rarely when I have non -christians on the show as guests because they have something of

value to say to the body of Christ but for the most part we have brothers and sisters in Christ

interviewed on this program and.

But before we go into your personal testimony tell our listeners about Faith Bible Church of Springfield, Illinois.

Okay, I've been pastor here for 25 years.

Well, if

anybody

wants to get

in touch with Faith Bible Church of Springfield, Illinois.

You could go to faith Bible online net faith Bible

online net.

Now as I already informed our listeners I'd like you to give us a brief

summary of your salvation testimony that which would include.

The religious atmosphere if any that you were raised in and what providential Circumstances our Sovereign

Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

Let's start

at the beginning

Sunday.

Some of the gospel came across.

Mainly, I heard the gospel by watching Billy Graham preach on

television to me.

And there was a

Christian

one of

them

who

it was

converted and

very soon everything changed

way back

then.

Praise God.

And how did you specifically come to embrace or first discover and then embrace the doctrines of Sovereign

Grace also Known as Calvinism Reform Theology, etc.

Well, there was a Presbyterian Church.

I was raised in.

I didn't hear anything about this or at least I don't remember Anything about this.

I remember in one Sunday school clown

Calvin and Wow

Arminian

Pentecostal

Bible College.

Strongly Calvinistic, but we're

surgeon

who is Arthur.

Pink.

But all that was new destination.

In fact, it was called the reform doctrine of playing Bettner.

And oh, yeah, that's an awfully big book to be written by a woman.

Yeah, Meredith Klein to.

Picture and I said oops and Read that book several times since then so that was my first

introduction reading these books

did not.

But that was the start of it

all of hyper Calvinism

and I've been a subject in depth ever since you did your doctorate on.

Hyper -Calvinism.

Yes at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland.

Wow, and I did a very large.

Hyper -Calvinism.

Now, I know a lot of folks that I highly revere.

In fact one of them Wrote a very glowing commendation, which I'm going to read in a little bit

for your book who?

Views.

John Gill is a great hero of the faith.

Do you disagree with that assessment?

But he was hyper Calvinist and I am NOT a hyper Calvinist, right?

I think I know who you're referring to.

There's still a little debate about Tom Nettles.

I can say that Tom Nettles been a good friend of mine for

yes.

He disagrees with the assessment that John Gill is a hyper Calvinist.

But of course there are disagreements in the body of Christ amongst friends and people who are closely allied on

theology and other things.

I know that Ian Murray Views John Gill as a hyper Calvinist, but

can you just.

I don't want us to sidetrack us too much.

But it actually is an important question.

Because many people.

In fact, there may be even many people listening right now.

Who would view you and I as hyper Calvinist because we believe in what Calvin taught to a large

extent.

Anyway, they view any person who believes in the tulip.

Even four of the points as a.

As a hyper Calvinist at times.

Could you please define what historically that actually means?

There's misunderstanding about it.

Usually from people that should know better.

The late Norman Geisler was very evangelical and wrote a lot of useful things, but on this subject he was

rather wrong.

Yes.

He said that anybody that believes any or any

Calvinist are simply not true.

Hyper Calvinism began in 1706.

Less than

1 of all Calvinists the essence of that theology.

He does not off at

the word off, but we don't offer.

That sounds like quibbling.

But what they mean is that the gospel to people we cannot

say or that God desires your salvation.

Because we don't know if

there are does

God desire.

They have

the duty to believe

the gospel but not

to and I.

Great and.

I am NOT nor ever have been a hyper Calvinist and I count some of them as my.

It's an error.

Huh interesting because I know

again brethren in Christ and perfect many whom you know that would consider as

Especially the more severe expressions of it heretical.

There are those.

I mean, it's a diverse group of people.

They're not all exactly alike.

Some believe that the the gate To heaven

is a lot wider than you and I would believe like for instance many among the primitive Baptists.

Don't even believe that it is necessary to be a Christian to enter into eternity with

Christ.

And then you have those on the opposite end like from the Netherlands Reformed Church.

With a much more narrow view of a much smaller view numerically of those whom

will enter into heaven.

But it seems that a commonality is that they Deny that the preaching of the

gospel and evangelism is a means that God uses to bring the elective salvation.

Would you agree with that?

Well the primitive back that

never hear my book on that

Unbiblical.

Yeah other side

you mentioned sir.

You're not a

Common amongst hyper many very godly or a minions in here.

Yes.

John Wesley Billy Graham AW toes.

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And another thing that I think we should clarify before we move on to the history and theology of

Calvinism is your own personal view on the atonement.

There have been some as You know who have misunderstood your view and have considered you

either an Amaraldean or a four -point Calvinist.

And Perhaps you could distinguish between what you believe and what the Amaraldeans believe.

Okay,

that

has been

it's

usually my opinion the

main line, especially for the

elect.

Here's a universal.

It's the

basis for common grace for

saving

benefits

died.

Equally

believe Christ died equally for all men on the other side for

the elect

and there's no Universal effort.

A few dozen leading theologians

at

art

for the

elect and their

Kuiper

dual view.

Huh, which I think is the main view for the elect and.

Guaranteed their salve man.

Would this be like will you would this be the view that Andrew Fuller is known for?

Our Andrew Fuller, yes.

But he is often mythical.

Hagen as Clinton writes

He shed

said it atonement is unique to

the

elect

of the elect.

Well, I want to read a few of the commendations for this book because

number one all of these men that have That I'm about to read their

their commendations Are heroes of mine and all of them have been guests on

iron sharpens iron radio With the exception of Ian Hamilton.

I want to get Ian Hamilton on the show Very soon and all of them with the

exception of Ian Hamilton have written Glowing endorsements for iron sharpens iron radio as well.

But first we have John MacArthur.

He says several years ago a friend gave me a bound copy of dr Daniels notes on the

history of Calvinism and the doctrines of grace.

I've kept it nearby ever since.

It's one of the most useful and informative resources in my entire library.

Well written crystal clear and thorough without being ponderous.

I'm delighted to see this expanded edition in print and then

Stephen Jay Lawson President of one passion ministries who is another one of the most

powerful preachers alive today.

In my opinion this Invaluable volume is a virtual gold mine

containing the rich history and theology of the Reformed truths known as Calvinism.

The beauty of this book is its comprehensive breadth and Accessible readability

that surveys the vast landscape of this immense subject matter.

Ever since these pages first appeared years ago It has been a trusted guide to me

to navigate my journey through the many pivotal individual the many

pivotal individuals strategic movements and doctoral issues of biblical Calvinism.

No serious student of church history or systematic theology can afford to be without this

book.

Without this without this work I should say in your personal library.

Then we have Tom Nettles the aforementioned professor of church history Formally

from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Kurt is a proven scholar and a personal devotee of the doctrines

to which he gives such Careful attention in this book.

It does not merely go over the well -known history already present in many volumes.

Though it does not ignore that but gives both Substance and perspective that is

needed today in a time when there is growing renewed interest in these doctrines.

I personally hope that you will pursue the opportunity to publish this substantial

volume which interacts so thoroughly with Calvinism in its various nuances

and denominational expressions.

And obviously it was published by evangelical press which is why I have this 900 page hardback sitting at

my desk right now.

Michael Haken we also just mentioned him briefly before.

There is no doubt that Calvinism Even though John Calvin would abhor the term has played a

critical role in the history of the Christian faith.

Amazingly though there have been very few studies that have sought to provide a

Comprehensive overview of both its history and theology.

Dr. Daniels survey of the narrative and thought of this influential worldview

does just that and does it majestically and this

textbook for that is what true edit that it is what it truly is is.

Thus very welcome and will be enormously helpful for all who are interested in

this tremendous Christian movement.

And I'll read one more Phil Johnson who actually has been interviewed on iron sharpens iron radio More

frequently than any other guest in the history of the show Phil Johnson, who's the executive director of grace to you

the media ministry of John MacArthur.

It will be pretty hard to overstate how helpful Kurt Daniels notes on Calvinism have been in

my study of historical theology and the Protestant Reformation.

He has an uncanny knack for untangling hard theological knots

deftly sweeping away confusion and Misunderstanding.

I have gained more insight from this volume than from any other book on systematic theology or

church history.

And yet, this is a resource I I can Say this is a resource I can

and regularly do recommend to lay people even those who are not.

Even those who are just beginning to study theology seriously.

It's rare and refreshing to find a treatise on theology that is so comprehensive and yet

so easy to read.

This is that book get a copy.

I promise you I promise you will thank me for the recommendation and

Those are very I have rarely read and I'm not exaggerating.

I'm very rarely read Commendations that are that glowing hot

as far as their enthusiasm and zeal to promote what you have written here and.

I'm very humbled that they think a

lot of the book.

Yes just appeared one month ago today.

Yes, and dr. Beeky has been a friend for many years.

In fact, I was involved in dr. Beeky's very first radio program

After he left the Netherlands reformed denomination that I had mentioned earlier which he left largely due

to hyper Calvinism and He has been one of my favorite preachers and writers ever since I

became aware of him.

Me too and What I'm gonna do is So I don't stop you mid -sentence.

We're gonna go to our first station break right now.

And then we'll be back shortly.

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We are now back with our guest today.

Dr. Kurt Daniel and we are discussing his book the history and theology of Calvinism

and We've already got quite a number of listeners lined up to have their questions asked and answered.

But before we do that, I just want to ask you a question that relates directly to the title.

There are many people who absolutely reject the doctrines of sovereign grace.

In fact, you might even say that they despise What is known as Calvinism?

They think it's absolute heresy and very often they will say things like

Calvinism began with John Calvin his teachings were novel in the in the 16th

century never before taught.

Some might know enough to know that the Augustine had many elements of

Calvin's teachings before Calvin.

He was a mentor centuries later to Calvin And.

But people equally despise Augustine who are saying this and they will say these are not biblical

teachings.

So, how do you respond to as far as the history of Calvinism?

Obviously, there's a difference between the formalized tulip, which was developed after Calvin

and what we would consider biblical teaching.

Well, it didn't begin a week

left.

So it wasn't just John Cal

but the main thing

is what is the Bible say now?

I would say well,

isn't this

just Evan or a minion

ism would be evangelical Calvinism there is

it that

these are biblical

their views on this.

So where does

your study your massive?

Book here.

Where does it begin with the history of Calvinism?

Begins with what I call pre Calvinism very first chapter.

It talks about Augustine and we're formulating the

so about oh

about a

fourth

of the book.

What would you say from your experience and even your study of of written

teachings by anti Calvinists, what do you surmise is

the the most Central reason why why those who

are anti Calvinists despise these teachings so much.

Well, they

would say it's not

one that they get most

it wouldn't be fair for God to condemn us.

Therefore we have to be able to repent and believe and obey God.

When I totally depraved.

So they go through the one by one say it's not biblical and this is not.

Well for those of our listeners, I mean I have a an overwhelming confidence that the majority

of my audience is Calvinistic but I do have listeners that join

the audience nearly daily that I'm aware of.

Who are new Christians.

Some of them are not Calvinist at all.

Some of them don't even understand it.

Some are not even Christians at all.

I have Muslim listeners.

I have Roman Catholic listeners and even members of cults who listen

but the five points of Calvinism total depravity Unconditional election limited

atonement irresistible grace and the perseverance and preservation of the Saints.

In Summary form.

Could you let our listeners know? what these teachings are and

I know that's difficult in summary form.

But what is the most compelling reasons why Christians? Should believe in them.

Obviously you and I agree that they're biblical.

That's really the most important reason but how these doctrines affect our

understanding of God our Self -awareness of the condition that we are in as

men and women and children and How it affects the way we evangelize

and and so on.

Big question.

Oh, yeah, I went home to

be with the Lord not long ago and many

years ago.

He shared with Kurt all error.

The doctrines of

grace are based upon a

certain view

of God

Predestination freedom of God things like

God being sovereign

He does whatever he wants to and

can never be blamed

if

particularly

comes out of sin or a

Daniel ordained.

Everything of sin shows the glory of God.

Why did he foreordain sin to reveal either his rock?

Why does God allow disasters and evil to continue in

the world to

turn to Christ

mercy help?

These things are not beyond the control pen.

Oh, that's that's

beautiful.

And in fact, I will take I will start taking listener questions in just a moment, but

I wanted to ask One of my own here.

We in reading the commendations for this work of yours by

greatly beloved heroes of the Reformed Faith.

I can't remember who said this in fact the fact that may have been repeated amongst several of them, but you

have information that you address in detail in your book.

That is not Something that's been repeated in works before yours.

There are obviously you could fill in a library.

With books written on Calvinism both pro and con even just pro

Calvinist literature could fill a library.

But what is it about your book that is unique and what are the specific issues that?

Were mentioned that are really in some ways new or at least addressed in a

more exhaustive manner in your in your book.

Okay, great.

We

have

Susan Margaret

in Dauphin County,

Pennsylvania.

Who asks.

I have heard that the great Anglican Bishop from the 19th century J .C. Ryle was

Amaraldian.

Is that true?

Or does he have a view that's closer to yours?

So

I believe that there is something distinctly for the elect and not for them.

Well, I better stop spurting that rumor then.

I always thought he was.

But Investigation it's useful to get documentation on what

people held.

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We have a first -time questioner and the questioner

this is JB from Amarillo, Texas and JB says

around 20 years ago.

We saw an unexpected sudden surge in the popularity of reformed theology.

Recently, it appears this movement has been tearing itself apart from the inside out.

What do you think is responsible for this?

I don't mean describe what's happening.

I mean what is causing the self -destruction and he has a Second question that I'll follow up after we

take our next break.

I'm not quite sure where these areas of self -destruction that he refers to her But I have

seen some but then you would find it

even in non reforms.

They wound their own breath simply

gets tired more

than he should be.

Bible says we should cease in the body of Christ and in the bond of

love.

That's not what compromising truth of God.

But yes, he may be referring.

I don't know and perhaps JB can Clarify, but perhaps he is

talking about What has been called the neo?

Calvinists the the young restless and reformed movements.

Perhaps he's talking about that.

I don't know but.

Resurgence began earlier and then it spread to a younger generation

in the late 1990s.

Where the young rest

often they had more light in more heat than light and

Calvinist stage we to

grow up to become a little

bit more humble that may be referred.

Yes, and it aren't many of the new Calvinist so -called Emphasizing a

Retreat from the small town and with more emphasis on inner -city evangelism and

things like that.

Well, perhaps go to the next stage and they

stage.

I was a little bit too argumentative.

I remember something that the great George Whitfield young

Whitfield said something and I

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Chrisarnsen at gmail .com and we have a Clarification.

I'll jump.

I'll let him jump to the head of the line again.

JB in Amarillo, Texas.

Said that I was asking about the most recent splits caused by things like

social justice warrior fights that turn to the

left of groups like Together for the gospel and so

on so that that was a little clarification.

I don't know if you want to add anything.

Dr. Daniel.

About that last question that we had before the break where JB is clarified what he was talking about.

Okay, let's see we have Cynthia who is in

Findlay, Ohio and her question is

Let's see, oh she just I'm not sure what she is asking here.

It says Lorraine Bettner, but I don't see any question.

It just says hey, I heard that.

I don't really know what that means.

Yes, and

that is a clarification

on.

Dr Kurtz Reference that joke he told earlier Lorraine Bettner

was a man.

Okay, we have let's see here.

We have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

Greetings brothers Chris and dr. Daniels.

It's Daniel by the way singular.

I find a lot of people immediately Criticize me when they

find out I'm a Calvinist.

I usually let them.

Let's see, I usually tell them that it's a biblical that it is biblical Christianity.

How do you handle these situations when you're faced with them?

Obviously this could take five programs to answer that question, but if you could say anything in summary form, how

do you.

How do you?

What's one of the ways or some of the ways in summary form that you respond to people that are anti

Calvinist?

You don't think it's biblical.

Well realize also they

may be arguing against something we

don't believe.

They may have a wrong view of what we believe right if we Explain it Properly.

Some of them might say well, that's what I believe or they might say

I need to back it

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We have Anthony in Hoshton, Georgia.

Hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.

H -o -s -c -h -t -o -n.

And Anthony Asks and I have to enlarge Anthony's question because it is

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Chris what does dr. Daniel believe?

I don't know why he's asking me.

Is the most effective way to live and teach these truths today in the light of so many

websites dedicated to casting aspersions on these teachings suggesting there were they were

or there were Gnostic roots and other ignorant kinds of objections.

He has a second question That I will follow up with.

After you answer that he so basically what is your answer to the accusation that Calvinism is rooted

in a form of Gnosticism.

Well first, I would laugh.

It's silly.

It's got nothing to do with

it's got nothing to do with Gnosticism.

It's not no secret revelation.

I don't generally have

attention.

They're talking about otherwise,

they don't know.

You remember you can't fight every

battle in the dark.

That's the main thing to say.

Here's what the Bible says.

You let me also say that people often

Misunderstanding one of the common objections don't

evangelize.

These doctrines should be an incentive to witness not a hindrance.

The thing I read

if we show

them in our life that we put biblical way That will

answer a lot of the object.

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I forgot to read the second question from JB in Amarillo,

Texas.

I apologize JB I said I was going to read it when we came back from the midway break.

Is there anything we can do to repair?

The church splits and so on that he was talking about and get back to where we were

ten years ago and When everything was rolling along wonderfully, I

don't know was it ever rolling along wonderfully.

But let's say we had a bump in the road.

And if someone said or did something that was untoward he needs to apologize.

That's the way but also to see.

What are the major issues wrong.

And I'm saying well we could.

We

have.

John and Bangor, Maine.

Who says do you think that reformed Baptists are far too often

guilty of?

Splitting hairs and having infighting dominate their presence

because They rightfully want to be meticulous about preserving biblical

truth but they wrongfully react to those who disagree on some secondary and tertiary issues

with too much hostility and too much negativity.

Good point and it's not reserved for reformed Baptist.

Baptists in general tend to do a lot of fighting not just a fundamentalist Baptist either.

There are far more variety.

Any other person he did bring out one good

point when a person objection.

Objects to the doctrines of grace to me.

I will often say I Respect and appreciate the fact that you value truth

so much that you want to challenge error.

Even if that isn't really error because a lot of people they don't seem to worry about what

anybody believes.

Thank you for at least valuing truth enough to want to argue about it.

Alright, John.

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What you have also won.

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And again, I am losing my memory badly today.

I think it's just because I'm so excited about this subject.

But but Anthony in Hoshton, Georgia had a second question that I overlooked.

Do you think using Confessions of faith and solid catechisms are the way to go

alongside of solid preaching of these truths meaning Calvinism.

Of course, yes and no in the book.

I state that in creeds.

To show what Calvinists have believed what the Bible says they are not authoric.

This is some new innovation.

Centuries.

Does that

help?

Yes, it does and One thing that I'd like to add is that perhaps

you disagree with what I'm about to say.

But when I have spoken to anti confessional brothers in Christ

Most of whom are not reformed, but some are in the reformed family I

say everybody is confessional whether you want to call it that or not because Once you write down anything

you believe You are really stating what you have summarized from the Bible which is

all a confession and a creed.

Is I Can remember years ago going to a Church of Christ?

Conference and one of the Individuals involved in the conference got up and said that we as a

church Have never had confessions and creeds other than by the Bible and Christ

himself we don't have man -written creeds and I Stood up and raised my hand and I

said, excuse me I have a tract from your narthex in your church here that lists all

the things that you believe.

That you believe in strictly acapella singing that you believe in baptism by immersion for the forgiveness of sins,

etc.

I said this is a confession whether you call it that or not.

So how do you respond to what I just said?

Almost everybody has some even if they don't tell their people about it

a confession of faith.

They never will.

And they had a fire which did have a confession.

It was legally binding because it had been filed with the state, but they never gave it to the preacher.

But they still had one nevertheless.

Sometimes in the truck.

The main thing main thing is

what does the Bible.

It's a and I'm going to.

Read The question from my next listener and have you answer it when we come back from

our final break.

I already know right now that I want to have you come back if you are willing.

To come back for another interview at some point.

And because this we've just scratched the surface obviously of this discussion,

but we have Michael in Princeton, New Jersey my own

personal experience with initial rejection and ultimate acceptance of the Reformed Baptist

theology.

Started with thinking that the doctrines of grace made God the author of evil and was heretical.

It wasn't until I encountered the writings of Greg Bonson and Gordon Clark on

the issue of theodicy the defense of God in the midst of

evil and pain.

And listen to defenders instead of the attackers that I came to recognize.

The misinterpretations of the attackers.

Could you please explain?

Your own personal understanding of why Calvinism does not make God the author of evil.

I would greatly appreciate your viewpoint On this critical issue, and I believe it keeps many from

recognizing.

It's truth.

That's excellent Michael thank you, and We're going to our final break and we'll have you answer that

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Welcome back.

This is our final segment of today's interview with Dr. Kurt Daniel.

He's already expressed his interest in accepting my invitation to return at a future date that we will

determine after the program is over.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own I would do so very quickly because we are rapidly running out of

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And our email address again is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And Michael in Princeton, New Jersey as you probably recall before the break

Basically said that one of the primary concerns that non -Calvinists or anti -Calvinists have

is that they believe We are making God the author of evil which they find abhorrent.

So, how do you respond to that?

This is

probably

the most

popular but

also says

that God's for

us, but he uses second causes.

They're the ones that

help.

But also Satan Jesus says he's the father of lies and yet as

one says

God never tempts anybody himself by the

devil.

God's sin

in all history was the

murder of the

Son of God of the elect in the glory of God's grace.

Ordain the

attribute

of another

verse that I create

evil.

I the Lord.

So much mystery How can God

for ordain it in a

way that is

probably presently.

Allow.

Ordaining to a great.

And make sure we

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We have Ron.

In Petersburg, Illinois, he's a first -time questioner.

So he's also going to win a new American Standard Bible on top of the book.

If you could ask John Calvin one question regarding the Church of today in America and its

greatest need for short its greatest need or shortcoming in its function What do you think his

answer would be?

Well, I think I know which

wrong the present.

What would they make of America?

They'd say it's

a bit more

biblical and I

think that's what Cal these were great John

todayism.

We can learn from great teacher only the

Bible is charges our batteries to say I want to be

like this.

Thanks, Ron and make sure you give me give me your full mailing address in Illinois so

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We have Charlie in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

In fact I'm going to give Charlie's full name because he's been a guest on this program and he's also a

former colleague of Ken Ham.

He is the founder of six -day creation.

I believe it's calm.

I'll verify that in a second.

I always forget whether it's calm or org.

But Charlie has a question.

And he says I have some friends who claim to be four -point Calvinists.

The point missing is L limited atonement.

Please explain why.

That is the most difficult point to accept.

Probably the most difficult point

people in verses like that.

Also, we have to preach the gospel to all people.

Those do bring out that at the beginning of the

broadcast.

They need to be balanced with other verses that concentrate on the particular aspect.

Just laid down his life for 28

Verses like that when you see those two sides

of the same we can't just concentrate on one.

That would be like saying what Jesus is only a man because it says he's a man.

The other verses that also say he's God.

Well, thank you Charlie, and I did verify that it is six -day creation calm

for Charlie's website.

And that is the word six is spelled out six six day creation calm.

Thank you Charlie for the excellent question.

Going back to that very same question I have heard

friends of mine and Folks that I admire who are not friends of mine.

I've got not gotten to know them.

But who are on the same page with me theologically regarding the doctrines of grace who have said

That no matter how much people protest against limited atonement They're really

very often if not always and even if it's subconsciously really

first and foremost Opposed to unconditional election, they don't like the fact

that their scheme of evangelism has

been Ruined or has been complicated

because they really have a Gospel that they present to

strangers or people that they know are lost Where they are claiming to these people that God

loves them in the same way with the same intensity to the same measure as he

loves Christians and So on.

Do you believe that that's an accurate assessment that people just don't like the fact?

That there are that there is a fixed number of the elect and that there are people.

Yes, some have said it just like that Bible says God has a general love for everybody.

He also has a special love for his people and that

that's built for all people but God has chosen only some.

Why shouldn't Jesus Christ have the right to choose his own pride?

Why shouldn't God have the right to choose whoever he wishes.

And we have to remember two things.

Number one God

is sovereign and

not others.

What's unfair about him not choosing unbelievers that nothing unfair

about God sending them to hell.

Nothing is unfair about amen.

And we have the amazed

why does God bother to choose anybody?

What all dirty rotten sin sinners?

Why does God pass over some sinners?

We should wonder why doesn't God pass over all sinners, right?

We're all guilty.

It's a wonderful thing that

God chose.

I will answer we have a

listener in.

England who just wants to send his greetings to you and I apologize if I'm butchering the

pronunciation of where you are in England but it looks like Oswestry Shropshire

England and His name is dr. Digby and he says just pass

on my greetings to Kurt.

We have communicated only by email.

So nice to hear his voice.

Enjoying listening to him very much and to Chris, too.

So, thank you.

That's gotta be Digby James.

God bless you, brother.

Yeah, that's right.

Stay well and be blessed.

Yes, it is.

Dr Digby James and please brother keep spreading the word about this show in

The United Kingdom and beyond.

We always love to hear from overseas listeners in unexpected places.

Before he helped with this book, by the way, oh he did.

Thanks.

Yes.

Well, I'd like you before we Before we get too far into the program with

just with minutes Ahead of us.

I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners regarding this

subject Before we get to any more listener questions if we have time for them.

These wonderful biblical truth

should move us

to should humble us to have

Jim Jonathan

our creator

Creature.

Amen.

We have Harrison

in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Who asks in regard to the divisions amongst Reformed Baptists who agree on most points.

How do you respond to the level of importance the division over the

impassibility of God is?

Which seems to be the most recent issue dividing conservative confessional

Reformed Baptists.

Well, I remember when that came to her head

to it.

This you should

not argue as much as they all

said and done.

There's more agreement than disagreement.

Yes the the Fine line seems to be from what I

gather that those that are not in full subscription with the 1689

confession Over impassibility still regard themselves confessional.

Because they agree that God does not have passions just like men

God doesn't fly off the handle and loses temper and and well.

It did have to do with full subscription because the word is found and

you find out what the different sides believe.

You believe that they they both believe.

God has emotions, but he does not have.

Weak emotions where he falls helplessly with those

provisos.

You find out the differences are not as big as something there seems to be a different.

Most certainly does have emotions, but he does not have.

Passions that is well, there seems to be a difference also

over the changing of emotion of how God could be Pleased with

somebody and then kindle in his wrath against somebody.

That there seems to be a confusion about that how God's.

Well, that's the mystery of grace.

How can God love people that he is angry with.

We were children of wrath

Ephesians 2 3.

And yet that's right.

Let's see.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York and

CJ asks What do you think about?

Calvinists who think that you cannot enter into heaven if you are Armenian and

Also, you cannot enter into heaven if you're a Calvinist so -called.

Who thinks our minions are saved.

You touched on that earlier?

That is that's a disturbing thing.

Extreme Armenians like the Sassanians of the gospel.

But evangelical Armenians are definitely are proven.

They believe the same basic

gospel.

The AW toes say

virtually the

same

to the Armenians.

It's a Calvinist or not Christians.

I say now.

Wait a second.

That's going too far as well.

We are your brethren talking about.

Evangelical Calvinist, is there a non evangelical Calvinist?

Well, they are non evangelistic.

Oh, yes, of course, those would be the but even the hyper Calvinist would be evangelical.

They would die rather than deny their the essentials of the gospel in that sense.

They are definitely our brethren in Christ.

I mean, can you.

Briefly.

Distinguish between Sassanian Arminianism and evangelical Arminianism.

First Subordination ism that Christ is subordinate in

his nature and then that leads to denying it to the subordination to the father.

Yes, the Sassanians did not believe in the full deity of Christ.

But some of the earlier Arminians very friendly with the Sassanians and

considered them Well, these are brothers in Christ.

Really that was the kind of Arminianism that John Owen and I don't

know.

We do not have anything to do with Sassanianism.

Sassanianism was simply let's see here.

Do we have time for one more question?

Okay, Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York wants to know.

How do you recommend we heal some of the hostility between pedo and credo

Baptists?

Well, it should not be hostile.

So my closest friends have paid about yes Binky is preaching my church a number of times.

So my favorite theologians are paid about this.

Jonathan Edwards is for him Baptist and I think that many of

them reach Spurgeon for

in Christ by getting to know each other.

But we can.

We can agree to disagree without drowning each other in the

well.

I want to thank you so much.

Dr.

Daniel if you could remain on the line so I could schedule our next interview off the air I want to remind our listeners that

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