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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega Ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Here is James White.

Upcoming Trinity Conference and Recent Debates

And good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon. Heading to st. Louis actually st. Charles tomorrow morning heading back for the 13th year at Covenant of Grace Church, I think it's the 12th year in a row the first weekend in December that's called tradition right there and We're gonna be tackling the doctrine of the Trinity again this year.

I figure after a decade It's probably good to be reviewing what you've done before because something tells me that even people who took the best notes might need a review of such things after an entire decade and So we will be doing that and of course and over the past 12 years or so since we last did this subject I have been debating Muslims and I've had further debates with Oneness Pentecostals and so there you go hopefully that will add to the material that we could present and So that's what we're gonna be doing this weekend.

Today while rowing I listened to the debate between David Wood and Zakir Hussain I was Very disappointed. It's interesting Zakir closed his his closing statement Was basically saying how disappointed he was in the debate.

I was disappointed because Zakir Hussain did exactly What I expected Zakir Hussain to do unfortunately and That was he did the throw everything but the kitchen sink thing once again, you make your presentation and then in the rebuttals you just fire all your guns on every topic every subject and you do it by just making all these assertions that show that While you've read some books you don't understand the process of scholarship you don't understand The arguments against your position you just make these bland statements that because you find it in one book someplace well, that means it must be true and You just throw all that out there knowing that it's completely impossible for your opponent to even begin to respond to the number of points you make and then when he does and he Deflates some of your points, you know, he can't get to the other ones.

And so you just repeat them you go I didn't have a response to this or he didn't have response and it's uh, it's a really transparent mechanism and I had I had hoped To be honest with you. I Really had positive hopes that Zakir Hussain would be more than Than this that that maybe the reason he did that with me was because he was he's young.

He was nervous He was going too fast but a couple months have passed and now he's debating David Wood and he's doing the exact same thing and then throwing in just Unnecessary stuff like accusing David of twisting the scriptures and playing with the text when he's the one who can't read the languages he had done that with With me and it's sort of like really and and how old are you again?

I was teaching this subject when you're in diapers son. So Anyways that's that was an interesting debate and in that sense, but not so much in the sense of If you really want truth to be Presented and handled.

Well, that's that's not the way to do it. And that's that's a shame. So anyways, I am I Do have I've been sort of hitting refresh on YouTube over and over again hoping that the video of the Paul Williams and Chris Green round two debate would be posted and I have not Been able to find it anywhere.

It is it's not in any of my feeds and not none of my searches seem to pull it up. So I Can't I I would really I'm really looking forward to that I have a feeling it'll probably come out over the weekend or early next week and we will definitely get to that I have The rest of Williams's opening statement queued up if we get to it today.

But I have one two, three, four five six seven eight nine nine tabs open in my dividing line materials folder. So I'm not sure how far we're gonna get there. But I don't have to spend a whole lot of time on every one of them.

Just a bunch of stuff that everyone's while I just have to comment on these things. First of all get you know, it's the holiday season and I have some dear friends back east that I'm not sure when I get a chance to do it.

Especially over this weekend, but sometime I need to find the time to get on zazzle and I'm gonna I'm gonna create some special stuff just just for them but it's it's the that the time of the year when you think of others and and the giving of gifts and so on and so forth and and One that you might want to you know, if you have if you have that Emergent person in your life.

Or that that wacky liberal there's there's a new a new item you might want to consider and It's called a new New Testament. Yes a new New Testament and it's any W any W not and you and you it's a new New Testament.

Yes, that's what it is. It is a reinvented Bible for the 21st century. Containing traditional and newly discovered texts, isn't that exciting? Yes, indeed folks. You can now buy it's gonna be coming out from Houghton Mifflin Harcourt in 2013 and Of course, it's been put together by such notable conservatives as Karen King and John Dominic Crossan and Barbara Brown Taylor and people like that, right?

Mm-hmm and What does it contain? Well, it's. It has. It has some stuff from from your regular New Testament in it. There is there is stuff from from the regular New Testament in it but it's it's now got it's sort of been updated and so you've got you've got the Gospel of Luke with the Gospel of Mary and Paul's letters with the letter of Peter to Philip the Revelation to John with the secret Revelation to John and as they say this offers the exciting possibility of understanding both the new and the old better.

I I'm sorry. This is absolutely positively Amazing I predict and a minimum of Twelve copies sold. But it's it's gonna be out there and you know, you may end up running into somebody. What do you think of this new New Testament and you go you mean?

The book where they compiled all this stuff together from people who didn't believe the same things. And try to call that a New Testament. Yes, sir. Are you sure you're not reading this off of the sacred sandwich?

I'm not reading this office. This is empatheos calm believe it or not. Oh, man. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep in February of 2012 a Council of scholars and spiritual leaders convened by religion scholar Hal Taussig.

Came together to discuss debate and reconsider and reconsider. Which books belong in the New Testament? So hey, you know the Jesus seminar came along years ago and decided to You know redefine the canon of the New Testament and decided to add the Gospel of Thomas in and when they made their translation the scholars version and.

So, hey. Why not? Why not reopen the issue? You know Luther did it right? Well, no, of course he didn't but it's commonly Improperly said they did and they give you an example here. Take for instance one of the text that was very high on my list and this is Bruce Ray's chow.

Another Stalwart conservative conservative. Sorry. Can't say I was straight face. I Was sent out from power. I came to those pondering me and I was found among those seeking me. Look at me all you who contemplate me audience hear me those expecting me receive me.

Don't chase me from your sight. Don't let your voice or your hearing hate me. Don't ignore me any place any time be careful. Do not ignore ignore me. I Am the first and the last I am she who is honored and she who is mocked.

Oh, never mind I'll stop right there. I hadn't read all the rest of it. It gets a little bit PG -13 there. Anyways, um, yeah, that's that's the new New Testament and With edited with commentary by how Taussig and Available next year, maybe you could give a gift certificate or something put it in somebody's sock.

Oh. Like I said, I predict a minimum of a dozen dozen sold. It will like so many of the things that have come before it pass into the oblivion that it deserves and There you go then we have another story of the bullying of The freedom from religion foundation headed up by Dan Barker and company Kansas town forced to remove cross a town in central, Kansas.

It was founded more than 100 years ago by immigrants escaping religious persecution is once again facing Religious persecution. The tiny town of Bueller is being forced to remove a religious cross From its town seal after a group called the freedom from religion foundation complained that the symbol violates the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

The Group said the cross indicated government endorsement of Christian. Now, of course, we all know that Dan Barker and his boys up there have more lawyers on retainer than certain branches of the US government and they exist to misuse The law to persecute Christians in the United States, that's what they exist to do.

They exist to absurdly reinterpret the Constitution United States outside the context in which it was written originally written and to create a completely secular state they would really appreciate if we would all just keep to ourselves and keep our religious ideas out of The marketplace of ideas and while the this is the city did not want to do this.

The fact is they were threatened with a lawsuit and They just don't have the money to fight it and So, you know, it was a faith-based community, but they can't tell anybody about it now thanks to The militant atheists who hate God and hate the expression of belief in God and misuse and abuse the law to.

It's just sad it's it's really really sad. I can guarantee you one thing there's a single person not a single person who signed the Constitution was part of the creation of the Constitution and The Bill of Rights and so on so forth that would have supported such a thing.

We all know that church services were you were held in public buildings and and Bibles were printed with public monies and you know, these are all facts but nobody knows them anymore because the educational system is corrupt and.

So they're gonna have to remove now. They can have all sorts of secular symbols because see these these folks are secularist. They are secularist fundamentalists. They're secularist jihadis. That's the best way to describe them secularist jihadis instead of using bombs and guns they they use lawyers and.

That's how they they promote their Their secular jihad, but they're out there and we hear about them every year right around this time, isn't it? Yeah, right around this time and Easter is when you hear the most about Freedom from religion foundation.

They're doing their fundraising and I think they'd probably like us to be like Sweden. Sweden. Mm-hmm. I love this one. Wednesday 28th November. Head teachers in Sweden have been told they can take pupils to Christmas services in church.

But Jesus cannot be mentioned. Advent services for children are part of the curriculum. But religious content has been ruled out by education officials. They said prayer blessings or declarations of faith are all banned yesterday's Metro newspaper reported.

Last year, the Scotch government came under fire for failing to mention Christmas in its winter festivals program. St. Andrew's Day. What is this? I? Apologize my my I should know this as as one of Scottish extraction, but Hogman a and Burnsnight, well, of course, we all know Burns Burns night.

We're all mentioned several times in a press release, but Christmas was excluded in January 2011. It emerged that more than three million school diaries with no reference to Chris Christmas or Easter had been issued by the EU Commission.

The diaries made reference to Muslim Hindu Sikh and Chinese festivities as well as Europe Day. But December 25th just carried the message a true friend is someone who shares your concerns and doubles your joy.

Yeah, yeah, they don't think that secularists have a particular religion. They don't like. Uh-huh, yeah. And EU ombudsman later ruled that a separate sheet correcting the omission was sufficient and a reprint was not needed.

In 2009 Christmas carolers were banned from the House of Parliament in case they inconvenienced MPs having lunch and. The same year Rockdale Borough Council put up Christmas lights in August in order to celebrate the religious festivals of several faiths.

The move was described as absolutely ludicrous by one local president. Yeah, well, there's still people with some common sense, but there you go. Sweden bans the mention of Jesus at kids Advent services.

Mrs. Miller, mrs. Miller. Why are we here? Well Bobby um well you see um Winter Solstice um. Shortest day of the and Sweden. Yeah, it's gonna start getting warmer now. I. We we don't know we we can't tell you.

I'd like to tell you I used to be able to tell you. But I can't tell you Bobby. We cannot tell you unless we'll have to lock you up in a FEMA camp. That's right. Well, then I have FEMA in Sweden, but that's okay.

Also from www .Christian .org .uk. Which is the Christian Institute good place to? Subscribe to and get information. For schools in America face court action unless they agree to put a children's storybook about lesbian mums.

You can tell this is English because that would never appear here. Lesbian mums on library shelves. The book was taken away because of parental objections, but activists are threatening to sue. The book in our mother's house.

Was removed from library shelves at four schools in the Davis School District in Utah. After parents objected. I personally think we need Brigham Young back in Utah. Brigham Young might he might have a few choice words.

About This particular situation the book is still available on request at the libraries. But students need permission from their parents to take it out. The American Civil Liberty Union. Let's liberties Union.

This is again from England. We believe me. We know the ACLU here. Which backs gay marriage has threatened to sue the school district however the school district is sticking to his decision saying that parents should be in The driver's seat.

Yeah, we'll see how long that lasts. One parent complained about the book saying it normalizes a lifestyle. We don't agree with. Well congratulations. Now the parent commented that it is not a natural process to have a complete family without a male and a female again.

Just really common sense, but common sense has pretty much been banned in Western societies and so those of you who still live on the basis of common sense you need to you know. Get a clue. The ACLU claim.

The ACLU claims it would be plural that Constitutional laws which protect free speech mean the book must be forced on to library shelves. Is that the first time the cases involving gay story books in schools have ended up in US courts in?

2006 a family in Massachusetts were upset that an elementary school had failed to get their permission before using a gay marriage storybook. King and King with their young child. But in January 2008 a federal appeal court rejected the parents case saying Schools are not obligated to shield individual students from ideas which potentially are religiously offensive.

Notice once again one of the biggest problems. We have is that while secularism which is a religion unto itself is Allowed to have the entirety of the support of Our tax dollars it is excluded From the realm of religion because people don't recognize it is a worldview unto itself.

They don't think these things through and so it wins by default. Lack of clarity of thought which we see a lot of these days in so many many different ways. One other from the Christian Institute words husband and wife axed from marriage certificates.

The Health Department in the US state of Washington is To remove the words husband and wife from marriage and divorce certificates after same-sex marriage was approved in a recent referendum. The state began changing legal document wording before the public vote even happened.

According to a spokesman Tim Church from the Health Department said space is once reserved for a bride and groom will become more Genderal gender-neutral. We are proposing a change where it will say something like spouse a and spouse be.

The law comes into effect on the 6th of December. Over 30 states have voted against redefining marriage. Just three have voted in favor, and they misspelled favor again because again these are Brits. Yeah.

The UK government has said the words husband and wife will have to be removed from official documents if marriage is redefined and France the words mother and father are set to be stripped from official documents under its plans to redefine marriage.

The move would see the words word parents used and identical marriage ceremonies for both heterosexual and homosexual Weddings. The utter collapse of civilization is upon us as we see all around us words no longer have meaning and We will reap what we sow.

It is truly amazing, and I must apologize to the next generations. I was watching a Wonderful film a couple days ago. It was made in the 1960s. Think it was 65 if I recall correctly. It's one we've probably all seen at some point or another.

It's called the sound of music ah Yes, the hills are alive with the sound of music you say oh, but there's Romanus and that I did. I know I didn't really mind that too much. That really wasn't the focus of anything was it it wasn't but something struck me I Mean aside from all this terribly stereotypical relationship I mean the mother had died and so now you have the overbearing father who's the the naval veteran and and you know the children and are all you know and then incomes.

Maria, and she just Love comes into the family once again, and all you know it's all wonderful. I I didn't know it was based on a real story. I didn't realize until I got the iTunes version and I saw pictures and heard about how the real Maria von Trapp had actually been on the set and been rather Domineering on the set actually that the producer and the director was like get her out of here anyway something struck me that Would have to strike especially the younger generation as being so wrong.

But it was so beautiful at the time, and I'm sorry younger generation that you're you're not gonna get to understand this. It's been taken away from you secularism is a very very ugly world view. It's empty.

It's shallow. You're reduced to a mere animal. I'm sorry that that the high calling of a Christian worldview is being denied to you. I really am but remember after the wedding A Captain von Trapp Georg as he was called and Maria returned and Before they have to try to escape because they're gonna try to force him to join the German Navy.

Which by the way there was like a 10-year gap between when it actually happened in this. But they sort of put it all together to make it more interesting and by the way. I didn't climb any mountains either.

They pointed out that if they had to climb the mountains that those mountains they would have ended near Berchtesgaden, which was Hitler's home. That wouldn't have been good. So they actually went the other direction, but anyhow I'm ruining the story for I didn't mean to do that, but remember after after Maria comes home, and now they're married and and Liesel is is calls her mother and oh, I like hearing that and you all remember that and then they have a musical number and One of the lines it just I don't know it was sort of like I mean how many times have we all.

Well, maybe some of you are too young to have ever watched this, but most of us know what I'm talking about here. It had never struck me before. But struck me now. It was you know Maria's talking to her you know her boyfriend has gone off of the Nazis basically and is treating her badly and and he's the one that The captain von Trapp has to take the gun from later on all that kind of stuff, but anyway She's asking about that and they sing this little song that I guess was a continuation of 16 going on the 17th thing and at one point Maria says in talking about marriage and Now you belong to him now you Belong to him words That once were filled with meaning and joy utterly indecipherable in the secularist worldview.

Meaningless the context in which they were spoken and what they meant passe Old school. And I say People are saying oh, but you're you don't want to be behind history. Well when history is heading over the cliff I want to be behind I want to be behind and This insanity This evil this blight upon our culture it is truly an amazing thing and it's It's sad it's that I I'm I'm glad that.

You know last summer when I did Wedding ceremony for my daughter It still said husband and wife or bride and groom. I forget which one it was, but it recognized what marriage is and Marriage had not been profaned.

It had not been reduced To a mere Contract between two people whoever Whoever doesn't matter. Sad. Very very sad and this goes along with a note from again, you know, I there there are times Doug Wilson gives me hives, but most of the time I'm I'm right there with him.

We've debated. We have a lot of things we disagree on but when we agree on things we agree real well and He wrote a blog article Called it is confusion. It is confusion. Comes now word that Germany has perfectly legal barnyard brothels Where pimps get to rent out the livestock for sexual purposes.

Yeah, yeah you you read that correctly. I had seen that and Amazing and he points something out. That is interesting. Leviticus 18 23 Now this is just that plain old holiness code that nobody's really concerned about anymore, right?

No one really worries about the holiness code. Because that's where you're not supposed to wear a mixed cloth. That means it's irrelevant. That's what everybody says. But Leviticus 18 23 says neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith now there shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto.

It is Confusion it is confusion tevil. It's not just to eva an abomination it is confusion. It is a Complete Well, he calls it it is a It is sinful, of course and an abomination, of course, but it's also confusion.

It is dislocated and out-of-joint. It is a muddled monstrosity. It is demented exactly. That's exactly right. It is it demonstrates a a person and then when it becomes legal a People and a culture who are not just confused.

I mean I get confused. Everybody can get confused. That's that's that's not a big deal. But when the categories of human existence Themselves who we are in this world what our purposes are what is good and what is evil?

When that becomes Confused then you have You have something that is demented on a level that's hard to imagine it is confusion. It is a Demonstration that a person has been so given over to their own depravity that the very categories of existence Itself are no longer understandable to them No longer understandable and the scary thing is when those people then have the political power to try to force the rest of us To live in light of their perversions, that's one really really good reason Really really really good reason to limit The power of government is because if for no other reason no other reason than to recognize that man is depraved and When man is depraved and man is in charge of government he will utilize the force of government To Promote his worldview and his depravity because we know according to Romans chapter 1 we know That those who practice these things encourage others Encourage others To do the same thing.

That's why you need to have Limitation on government we then saw Told you had a number of these I was pointed to anything that shows up on on Huffpo Will automatically be opposed to the Christian faith.

We all know that I mean if you want again another example of the Utter depravity of our culture just you know, the Huffington Post is a great place to find it, but there's a woman author of introduction to the Bible wrote an article called five common misconceptions about the Bible.

Christine Hayes is her name and I was just looking it over. I forget whether it was in channel or in Twitter. That's someone and it was just I understand why a lot of people See these things and go what what I?

Guess it is one of the advantages that I could not have foreseen I could not have understood in the providence of God why he was putting me through these things but The Lord, you know, it's interesting the Lord used economics to force me through fuller theological seminary.

The Lord brought my firstborn son into existence to force me through Truth. I mean literally we realized my wife and I realized that we were going to have our firstborn child while visiting Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary, I was looking at going to Golden Gate.

I Graduated from Grand Canyon and We were in Mill Valley. That's where I was looking at going when we realized we weren't going anywhere because she was expecting and Man, he came early. So we were in debt.

I don't know. We've ever gotten out of debt after that, but I mean I Just wasn't making much back then and and So we couldn't go anywhere. So I had to go with what was Available in Phoenix and there was only one seminary at that time in Phoenix that that was just one Fuller's Phoenix campus.

That was it. That's all you could do. And There were times I'd come home frustrated. I Had a good friend who graduated after I did came over to my apartment one evening in tears after a fuller class because it was so far to the left of where we were and It was so depressing at times not that wasn't there weren't good classes.

My church history class is real good and and I learned to filter through the liberalism and and Blow the the dust away and get the gems. I really did I really did no question about it. But the fact the matter is God used that to expose me to all this stuff that a lot of people who grow up in our churches and I I've made special effort I really have and I I Commend the dear folks of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, at least those who continue coming to the adult Bible study class.

There are a few who don't but I Commend you for having survived. My making sure that you know this stuff yourself that you've been exposed to it. That you could read this article by Christine Hayes and just chuckle all the way through.

Could just laugh all the way through. Because You just go duh, and you've already heard not only these presentations, but how to respond to these presentations. But that's not the case in most evangelical churches that's not what you'll get and so as a result people right into this kind of stuff and and.

And it really throws them for a loop five myths. Five common misconceptions. Well if anyone held us you know you look at them and The Hebrew Bible and I get correction number three. The Hebrew Bible is not a timeless or eternal work that stands outside the normal processes of literary production.

Well, that's a. That's a loaded statement. Anyways Why can't it be both? Why can't it both be the eternal Word of God that then is inspired in a particular way that? Demonstrates that God used individuals that God enters into relationship with his people.

I mean, it's just Liberalism is always this as a simplification of things anyways. It it masquerades as being so greatly advanced, but it isn't. Its books emerged from specific times and places reading the Bible alongside parallel materials from the many cultures the ancient Near East.

Shows the deep indebtedness of the biblical authors literary heritage of the ancient Near East really I Love when people say that and then I drag out Pritchard and at the ancient Near Eastern texts with Supplements that I've had for years in my library and pop them open and go.

Wow. There's a huge difference here, isn't there? Yeah, yeah, there is but it's just it's just more of the same Repetitive stuff. They're just there's repeating what they've been told there, you know liberalism has its fundamentalism secularism has its fundamentalism and.

Those folks don't really listen too much to what the other side has to say. Um, another thing that I wanted to get to was a Letter from Hobby Lobby stores CEO David Green and as you may know This particular company has an open Christian perspective as to how to do business and.

And Well, just read the beginning when my family I started a company 40 years ago. We were working out of a garage on a $600 bank loan assembling miniature picture frames. Our first real-tale story wasn't much bigger than most people's living rooms.

But we had faith we would succeed if we lived and worked according to God's Word. From there Hobby Lobby has become one of the nation's largest arts and crafts retailers with more than 500 locations in 41 states.

Our children grew up into fine business leaders. And today we run Hobby Lobby together as a family. We're Christians. We run our business on Christian principles. I've always said that the first two big goals of our business are one to run our business in harmony with God's laws and two To focus on people more than money and that's what we've tried to do.

We close early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our stores closed on Sundays while the week's biggest shopping days. So that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest of rest.

We believe that is by God's grace that Hobby Lobby has endured and he has blessed us in our employees. We've not only added jobs in a weak economy. We've raised wages for the past four years in a row our full-time employees start at 80 above minimum wage, etc etc.

Then it says but now our government threatens to change all of that. A new government health care mandate says that our family business must Provide what I believe our abortion causing drugs as part of our health insurance being Christians.

We don't pay for drugs. It might cause abortions, which means we don't cover emergency contraception the morning after pill or the week after pill. We believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception.

Something is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes against the biblical principles on which we have run this company since day one. If we refuse to comply we could face 1 .3 million dollars per day in government fines.

Our government threatens to find job creators in a bad economy. Our government threatens to find a company. That's raised wages for years running. Our government threatens to find a family for running its business according to its beliefs.

It's not right. I know people will say we ought to follow the rules. That's the same for everybody, but that's not true. The government has exempted thousands of companies from this mandate for reasons of convenience or cost.

But it won't exempt them for reasons of religious belief. So Hobby Lobby and my family are forced to make a choice with great reluctance. We filed a lawsuit today represented by the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty.

Asking a federal court to stop this mandate before it hurts our business. We don't like to go running into court, but we no longer have a choice. We believe family people are more important than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than turning a profit.

My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees. But the government is going to make that much more difficult. Government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and following the law.

I said it's a choice no American and no American business should have to make. The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of companies, but will not exempt Christian organizations including the Catholic Church.

Since you will not see this covered by any of the liberal media, pass this on to all your contacts. So there is David Green. And we know they have filed a suit. And I'm looking at ordering some model rockets from Hobby Lobby.

Just it's sort of like going to Chick-fil-A, you know I think what I'll do is I will build a model rocket that I bought at Hobby Lobby while eating Chick-fil-A. I think that. Now the grease from the chicken might affect some of the joints, you know I'm putting the fins on or something like that.

They won't paint real well, but no one really cares about that. But so I think I'm going to set up a day sometime in the not-too-distant future because I was looking at the at the rockets and There there's something look pretty cool.

They didn't have any two-stage. I love two-stage rockets. There's so much fun. I mean you really gotta go out in the desert, but but a two-stage D. Oh, man, that is just too much fun. You weren't him.

You weren't a member of the Estes Aerospace Club as a young man. Were you. I was I was I even I even remember the little t-shirt I had where you could you'd it was an iron-on type thing and as you went through each level.

You'd get a new color set of it was the thrust coming out of the engine type thing and it and the look farther. It got the better colors and subway. Oh, that was. I live for that. I live for that. I had college roommates that made their own model rocket fuel.

Oh. No, I didn't know no including one accident where he tried to make it in liquid form and it got smoke all over. Okay. No, I didn't do that. I know Dr. Oh, do you still launch rockets with your dog?

Daisy? May. Daisy May has been dust for many decades. I'll go a Daisy May's been gone for a long long time, but it's been about seven years because we have to now drive. I Don't launch rockets anymore.

Yeah, I mean even in a park if you get any wind at all, and you really put a decent engine in it. It's gonna end up in a neighborhood on somebody's roof or in a pool or being eaten by a Doberman or something.

You know, like I said last time so anyways. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm gonna set some time apart to to make a model rocket while eating Chick-fil-a, that's that's how I'm going to impact my world.

Not really, but it'll make me feel a lot better. That's for sure one more thing and then we'll switch over to Finishing up some of this Paul Williams stuff get back to it as I've promised that we will.

Sola Scriptura, the Canon, and Jason Stelman

I Was pointed to a comment from Jason Stelman in regards to the issue of sola scriptura. Someone had asked him. Could you elaborate on James Wright's response to your questions regarding sola scriptura.

I thought you made a valid point regarding the implementation of the principle. But I don't remember if you mentioned in the podcast how he responded. I'd be curious to know how he dealt with that one.

My question to him and the response from Jason Stelman was my question him concern how souls which are initially kicked in in the post Apostolic Church and his response was there was a significant gap between the death of the last Apostle and the church's realization of God's revelation Was to be limited to the canonical text.

I'll just stop for a moment. This demonstrates real confusion on Jason's part and That I mean that makes sense when you're when you're in the throes of apostasy. You're gonna be confused, but it's confusing two very different issues one is the issue of the canon of Scripture and The other is the ultimate authority of Scripture.

Now if you want to conflate them you can do so, but I didn't conflate them and If he was You know maybe one of the mistakes that I made was more of an assumption on my part that as a graduate of Westminster Seminary He would understand reform theology and understand What Warfield and others had written on these subjects, and he would be able to recognize the difference? between external canonization issues and Internal inspiration authority issues and the categories related there, too I did mention the fact that and It almost sounds a little bit like what's been called the white question.