Responding to Ben Shapiro's Rejection of Jesus

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I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square, they ought not to have crucified

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Jesus in the public square. Use humanistic principles. It's the same idea. It's the same end.

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I would say, what's the problem with stardust bumping into stardust? In the cosmic picture? None.

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There's no problem. In the cosmic picture, it won't matter. No, Mr.

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President. You are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year.

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I'm sorry, my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

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He is a powerful savior. And the gospel is not a suggestion, it is a command.

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Reverend Moller, don't you sympathize with that? I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living

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God. But I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ, and the gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it.

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A threshold of an amazing adventure. We will explore the spiritual abyss.

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You have not experienced this before. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called

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Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end.

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On the throne of David and over his kingdom to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore the zeal of Yahweh of hosts will do this.

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What's up guys? Welcome back to another episode of Apologia Radio. Carmen, mute your microphone. Yeah, what's happening here?

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Yeah, I got you. I can hear myself talking in the background. Trying to figure out what's going on. That's right. Hey, so we're back now.

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Apologia Radio. Very excited about this particular episode. I am actually very, very excited about this episode.

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That is over there, Luke the Bear. What up? Hey, wait. Actually, you know what? That actually may be my fault.

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That's what I was wondering if you were playing something else. That's what it is. I had it in the background. I apologize to everyone who's listening right now. You're like hearing double stuff.

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Just hang with us. We fixed it. It's not double speak. No, it's good to go. We got it. Okay. So I am Jeff. Poor Carmen.

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Luke the Bear. I know. Carmen, I have to offer you my sincerest apologies. I just blamed you for something that was my fault.

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Carmen. Still keep your microphone muted. Yeah, but still, you stay quiet over there. That's Luke the

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Bear. Hi again for the third time. That's Zach the Bear. Hey, what's up everybody? Director of Communications for End Abortion Now.

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You can partner with us right now. Please do. And what we're doing it for in terms of financially is a fraction.

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That's not even fair to call it a fraction, I think, in terms of what the pro -life movement raises every year through the tens of millions of dollars globally and each individual organization to not even do near what

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God does through His church. Can I say that? And there's no glory in that for us. It's Him.

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It's His glory. It's what He does with His church. It's mustard seeds that become large trees.

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That's what He does. And so we need your help. If you would, go to endabortionnow .com and you can give there. I am fully confident in all that God is doing with faith.

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I'm fully confident in what God is doing through End Abortion Now through your labor with us and through your giving.

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And if you've been able to use it to raise up a force of Christians that are going to end abortion, you can take that to the bank.

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And I know it's going to happen because it's doing it through God's Word in the Gospel, no neutrality. What is up?

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We are back. I'm excited. This is a very important episode. We're going to be talking about somebody that I really love and respect,

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Ben Shapiro last week.

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The conversation that MacArthur and Shapiro had was actually a good conversation. There were some areas of disagreement that we have with Brother MacArthur and we're thankful to God for that conversation having happened and how

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MacArthur handled it. There were just some areas that we think are vitally important to get right that related to MacArthur's eschatology and some other issues actually helped sort of feed

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Shapiro's rejection of Jesus. And we don't want to give any of that to an Orthodox Jew or to a

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Jew who rejects Jesus. We want to actually stick to the Scriptures, allow the Word of God to speak there so we can actually lead those

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Jews to Jesus by the grace of God. Before we get into it, though,

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I do want to talk about a news article. Let's do that because I want to.

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It's so good. It's so important. We just have to do it. Do you have it pulled up? Yeah, I get some background music.

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I don't have it. I thought you had it. Oh, no, I just read the title. We'll talk about it anyway. So it's all over the news right now.

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Some of you guys have probably already seen it. The Boy Scouts.

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Let me say that again. The Boy Scouts. It's in the name. It's in the name, y 'all.

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Boy Scouts. Boy Scouts. I don't even know how else to do this.

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It's in the name. Boy Scouts. Do you remember that Shapiro took a question from someone at the university once and she said, well, who's who's to say it's called

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Boy Scouts? And he goes, what's in the name? It's in the name. Speaking of him, I see the Daily Wire is watching right now.

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Really? What's up Daily Wire? We love you guys. Yeah, we've had Shapiro on. I love

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Shapiro. I'm very thankful for a lot of stuff that he does in terms of engaging the culture with some just sanity and logic.

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We had Shapiro on to talk about the issue of abortion. Hey, Daily Wire, can we do this? You know us.

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We know you. We love Shapiro. Can we organize something where I get to sit down with Shapiro like MacArthur did?

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We will pay for everything. All right. We'll get the flights out. We'll take care of all that stuff.

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I'd love to sit down and sit down with Shapiro just to have a different kind of Christian perspective.

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I would say, and I don't mean this in any way offensive to Brother MacArthur, I would say a more

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Orthodox Christian perspective in terms of how Christians would have responded to some of these questions in history, in particular some of the

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Puritans, the Reformers, just a little bit different and I think it would be a little more helpful.

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And I'd love to talk to Shapiro about this issue of Jesus as Messiah. Let's make that happen. With your audience and our audience,

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I think it would be massive. Daily Wire, let's make it happen. You know that I love Ben. You know that we're respectful with Ben.

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We care about Ben a ton and we actually really appreciate a lot that he does. Let's make it happen. I think with our two audiences together, it would be really, really good.

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Okay, so back to the thing. So you have Girl Scouts. It's in the name, y 'all.

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Who apparently give half their money to the murder of girls in the womb. Right. Unfortunately. Boy Scouts.

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It's in the name, y 'all. Like gender distinctions, right? Like obvious stuff. So as...

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It's not Bay Scouts. Right. So as the Boy Scouts gets... Whoa. Woke. As the Boy Scouts gets woke, the

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Boy Scouts gets... Broke. Broke. Boy Scouts gets woke. Boy Scouts gets broke.

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Right. And that's what happened. It's all over the news right now. The Boy Scouts is suffering. Woke is broke, y 'all. The Boy Scouts is suffering and they're going into bankruptcy now.

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Why? Because everyone's leaving the Boy Scouts. Why? Because the Boy Scouts is adopting all of this liberal propaganda and all of this really distortion of human sexuality and gender distinctions and those sorts of things.

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And so with that, woke is broke, y 'all. Hashtag it, y 'all. Woke is broke. Woke is broke.

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And it should be so patently obvious. We just had a great conversation with our brother... Our little brother radio program.

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Yeah. Our little brother radio program. Oh, it's so cute, isn't it? Cross politics. Our boys over there cross politics.

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Love them. Toby Sumter. Amazing conversation we have with Toby on this whole issue of gender, gender distinctions.

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Straight fire. It was straight fire. It's going to be on Apologia All Access. You can get that at ApologiaStudios .com.

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Let me tell you what, you need to hear that episode. It'll probably be up in about a week or no, maybe by the end of the month. It's Christmas time, y 'all.

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Things slow down here a bit. We take that pretty seriously. We take it very seriously. Yeah, Toby Sumter, just in terms of like,

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I love what he said. Don't you guys love the part where Toby was saying, like, sin is boring. Yeah.

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Sin is boring. The way the world distorts sexuality, the image of God, gender distinctionss, it's boring.

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It's ugly. Being robbed of glory. Yeah, robbed of glory. Like, the whole thing we talked about of Celine Dion and her stupid clothing line.

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I mean, come on. Goes into the, you know, newborn area and she sprinkles, you know, stupid dust on babies.

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Black dust, yeah. And she, you know, spreads it on the babies and all of a sudden they go from like pink and blue to like drab, really gray, stupid looking clothing.

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It's so boring. It's so ugly. Let's be honest, sin is just dumb.

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And that's just stupid. I mean, when you rob a girl of the glory of being a girl, and I love what

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Toby said there, it's like when, when, who's the dude? Who's the dude? Jenner. Jenner.

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When Bruce Jenner cuts off his tallywhacker and he says, I'm a lady. Toby says, that's basically like just a huge middle finger to women everywhere.

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Like, you know, your being a woman is not very special. It's not amazing. It's not glorious. All I have to do is just cut off this appendage and I have all of your beauty and all of your glory.

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It's like, come on, it's what a mockery of what it means to be a lady and a woman and the glory of a woman.

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So, hey, welcome back. This is what happens when you do a radio show after talking to Toby.

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I love what he said. That serrated edge is strong. I love what he said about, you know, how the unbelievers, they worship the created things rather than the creator who made us.

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And, you know, if you're an unbeliever, you have a perspective that essentially everything came from nothing, right?

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Like, that's the perspective. So, in your worldview, if everything that exists can come from nothing, well,

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I guess something can become anything else too. And that's what you have with transgender mania.

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That's what you have with abortion, you know, homosexuality, all of this stuff. There's distinctions that God has put in the world and it makes us dumb when we try not to live like it's true.

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Right. Like, that's what it does to us. It destroys us but it also makes us dumb. Yeah. Amen. Hey, thank you guys who are watching right now on the live feed.

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I appreciate all of you guys and I'm encouraged by many of you guys. Flat earthers, stop embarrassing

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Christianity and go ahead and get out of our feed. And I mean that with all the love and grace that's within me.

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I'm sorry. I'm just gonna take a tangent here real fast. We're having a discussion here talking about leading Jewish people to Jesus Christ and when you troll a feed where we're trying to reach

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Jews for Jesus to talk about flat earth stuff, you show your idolatry. You show your idolatry that this particular scheme is more important to you than leading

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Jews to Jesus, the topic of discussion today. We're talking about proper gender distinctions and roles, you know, like actual real stuff, important stuff.

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And when you take over a feed to talk about flat earth, you show your idolatry. So I would say repent of your idolatry and get on board with, you know, like really important stuff for the glory of God and for Jesus' kingdom.

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Okay. Amen. On that note. So Ben the Baptist says, Hey, Jeff Dirtbin, you're a

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Calvinist heretic. Hey, Ben the Baptist. Hey, Carmen, bounce that guy. Hey, Ben the Baptist, why don't you come on the radio program and let's talk about that discussion of Calvinism.

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I'd love to discuss that with you, Ben the Baptist. Let's organize it. So rather than trolling in the feed here, let's make a conversation happen on the radio program live.

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I think that'd be important to do. And Ben the Baptist. He already said that Calvinism is a doctrine of devils.

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Okay. That's how he introduced himself into the feed. Hey, watch this. And this is what's really amazing about this sort of situation.

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Ben the Baptist is trying to, you know, monopolize the feed and do all this. Watch this. Hide user. You're gone.

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Gone. Bye, Ben the Baptist. So praise God for that little tool there. Tool for tools.

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And you'll never be seen. You'll never be seen again. So, but please feel free to message us at what's the, what's the contact at apologiastudios .com

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Contact at apologiastudios .com. Organize something. We'll put you on the program. But I will just say this. You have to behave yourself and act like a

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Christian. So, all right. Here we go. Let's do this. Let's talk. Cool.

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But not before this. Not before this. We need a little bit of this to start with. Of course.

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This is a really terrible Santa Claus. It's our favorite time of year. It's our favorite time of year.

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Christmas time. We love Christmas at Apologia Church. And yeah.

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So I thought I loved Christmas before I came to this church. But I was wrong. You know, we do it to the extreme.

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You know what stinks about doing this live thing where we can't we have to use royalty free stuff.

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We can't play all of our favorite Christmas clips. I know. That's why I have to play this cheesy Christmas music. I have to do royalty free stuff.

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Yeah. On YouTube. Yeah. We haven't been able to play any. Our clips from our favorite movies.

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All those things. It's like what we do. Yeah. And because every time we play like a little clip we get like a ding from YouTube. It's like, hey naughty.

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You took a piece of a movie and we have to debate with them and argue with them.

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Hey, so Merry Christmas everybody. Enjoy these next couple of weeks for the glory of God. Celebrate God becoming a man.

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Yes. It's an amazing, amazing thing. All right. Let's do this. So if you guys watch last week's episode you saw that we played some portions, little clips from Brother MacArthur talking with Ben Shapiro about just a host of different issues.

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Israel. Jesus as Messiah. Just a lot of stuff. And again we really, really as we said last week appreciate

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Brother MacArthur. I believe that Brother MacArthur actually led me to Christ in terms of me fully understanding the gospel.

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The call to come to Jesus. Put your faith in him. So we love MacArthur. So our critique here is in no way at all to try to create, you know, enemies or conflict.

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It's just to say as brothers we think that there's a more appropriate and biblical way to answer an

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Orthodox Jew or person who holds to that than some of these answers that came. So what we thought would actually be helpful is we said this.

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MacArthur is a solid man of God and he knows the word of God. He is, he's

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Trinitarian. He believes in justification through faith alone, the final resurrection and judgment and all that stuff. He believes in the inerrancy of the scripture.

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So all that's, you know, important and that's what he believes. But on the issue of justice and righteousness in the world, the

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Messiah's role of actually transforming the world and justice and the law of God permeating all of life, he has an eschatological belief system, a view on the end times, eschatology, that actually forced him to answer some of these questions in an inconsistent way.

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So in some instances you would hear him literally talking out of both sides of his mouth because he wanted to be consistent as a

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Christian because he is a solid believer in the Lord. He knows the word of God. So he would answer one way and you'd say praise

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God and then his eschatology would force him to answer in a completely different way in terms of like, no,

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Jesus isn't really concerned with justice and righteousness and political stuff in this world. But what we were saying and you're going to hear it in just a second here, what we were saying is that when you divide the, or sorry, when you truncate the gospel like that and you really dismiss the gospel of the kingdom out of your message, you actually feed an

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Orthodox Jew reasons to reject Jesus that they ought not have. And all of that is not because the

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Scriptures, it's because of tradition and eschatological views and things like that. So what we're saying is that some of the things that MacArthur was saying,

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Brother MacArthur was saying to Shapiro actually let, can lead to Shapiro saying, and that's fine, that's why

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I reject Jesus as the Messiah. Now I said that. I did, I said that. And this is something that I've been involved in a long time and by the grace of God I've been able to hear and listen to Jews talk and to understand some of these eschatological questions.

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And so I've been there for a long time and maybe some of you guys didn't quite understand what we were saying and then lo and behold

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I find an amazing clip of Michael Shermer, a well -known atheist, discussing the issue of Jesus as Messiah with Ben Shapiro.

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How do you like them apples? I think that's amazing. So I found the portion of this discussion where they literally talk about this subject.

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And so what I thought we would do is just today, short episode. We'll just play through some of this. We'll answer with the Word of God and then hopefully the

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Daily Wire will organize a little discussion between Jeff Durbin and Ben Shapiro on Jesus as Messiah.

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A little meet and greet. Hey, I'll pay for dinner, Ben. You know, I'll buy dinner for you and I. Why don't we sit down in a coffee shop?

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You know what would be really cool is if Ben and I could sit down in a coffee shop and we could just talk about this.

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A kosher coffee shop. I'll even do that. I'll even do that. Maybe have some bagels and lox. Is lox and bagels kosher?

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Yeah. It is? I think. I'm not really a fan of... That's salmon, right? Yeah, it's salmon. Man, I'm not a big fan of fish. I'll eat anything else.

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You could share some Hebrew National hot dogs. Are those kosher? Yeah. Okay. I got the little sub one.

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That's why it says on that note. Way off track. Sorry. Hey, tell me when to stop when you want me to stop.

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Okay. Here we go. And Ben Shapiro. That's going to be really loud. I'll fix that for you guys. Ben Shapiro and Michael Shermer, atheist.

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Here we go. I'll push you on something. You know, my Christian friends and people that I debate really on the resurrection.

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You know, they have a whole series of arguments. You know, if you just followed our reason, you would accept Jesus as your savior. And my answer to this is the great

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Jewish rabbis who are smarter than you and I sitting here. They've gone through all these arguments. Why? Why don't they accept

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Jesus? Why don't you accept Jesus as the Messiah? Pause. I say this from Michael Shermer's perspective.

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He's an atheist. So what's important to note in that discussion is that I would argue that Shermer at that point is actually borrowing from a biblical worldview in order to make sense of his place in the world at the moment.

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So for example, here's what I mean by that. Here's a man who believes that his ancestors were fish. Here's a man who believes that he's a descendant of a highly evolved societies of bacteria.

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Here's a man who believes that there is nothing above us but sky. Nothing transcendent. Nothing ultimately.

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I'm not sure. I think he's a naturalist and materialist. But if he isn't, this wouldn't apply. But if he is a naturalist and materialist, he would believe that there is not anything beyond the natural world itself.

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So that means nothing super natural above nature or immaterial or transcendent.

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He believes that all that exists is a material world. Right? And all that exists is that around us which you can taste, touch, smell, weigh, you know, all that stuff, and see.

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But he also believes that there was nothing in terms of the naturalism part of his beliefs.

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There's nothing ultimately governed. Right? It was purposeless in that sense.

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And so here's a man who believes all that. Who believes that he's an African ape. That Shapiro's an African ape in front of him.

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That all of us are random results of a cosmos that didn't have us in mind. Right? We're all accidents of the universe.

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All that exists is sound and fury signifying nothing. Thank you Shakespeare for that delicious quote. And here he is talking about...

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Like it matters. Like it matters. Like there's something true and that matters. Or reason and logic.

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Or there are guys who are really intelligent. Really intelligent African apes. Like you're acting like there's something transcendent.

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You're acting like there's an objective standard outside of all of us. Something that we can strive for and learn and gain and understand.

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You're acting like laws of logic are real entities. Like laws of logic are immaterial, abstract, universal, invariant truths.

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Like we have to actually hold to these things and things have to be logical. They have to make sense. And these rabbis, they're smarter than all of us.

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They really apply those laws of logic. Really. Where are those at? Where do those exist? Can you touch one?

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Can you taste one? How much does the law of non -contradiction weigh? Mr. Schirmer, where can

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I find it? Taste it? Touch it? Smell it? Feel it? Where is that law of logic? Is it universal?

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Is it unchanging? Does it apply everywhere at all times? Or is it something only happening in human brains?

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If it's only happening in human brains, then you're talking about biochemical responses happening in the brain. Which means what's happening in your brain right now is not what's happening in my brain.

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Because we are not having the same brain experience. Which means that all it is is biochemical responses and brain fizz.

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And you don't get truth from brain fizz. And if you say, well no, these are conventions. We decide on these things.

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Well then, you know, then that means the next generation can create a convention that says it's perfectly acceptable to contradict yourself.

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And that's the new standard for laws of logic. Which means the laws of logic are not even objective or true or necessary or unchanging.

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Which means, Michael Schirmer, you just displayed that you're in the image of God and you're borrowing from a Christian worldview in order to make sense of your world and to live in God's world.

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Did you get that? Did you get all that? All that. All right. So that was just a start. And now let's go to Shapiro. Okay, so the reason that I don't accept

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Jesus as the Messiah is because I think that a lot of the arguments in faith... So Jesus as the

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Messiah is a different figure than anything that exists inside Judaism. So when people say that Judaism predicts the coming of Christ, the change in the nature of what

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Christ is, what a Messiah would be, is different from Judaism to Christianity. So Judaism never posited that there would be

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God come to earth in physical form and then, you know, acting out in the world in that way.

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Maybe we could start there. Yeah, start there. So it starts with... And I'll just say this. When you say... Ben, when you say

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Judaism doesn't posit, well, what I would say is, well, what definition of Judaism are you appealing to at that point?

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Because if you're appealing to the Judaism given to us, if you mean by that the

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Judaism given to us in the Torah, in the Tanakh, in what we would call the Old Testament scriptures, if that's your definition of Judaism, like the text of the

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Torah and the Tanakh, that's Judaism proper. Then I would absolutely say let's go to that text and let's get into the

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Word and I will show you that it most certainly does without question show us that God would become a man to save His people from their sins and to bring

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His kingdom and His righteousness and everything else. However, if you're using a different definition of Judaism in terms of you're using the commentaries of the rabbis, if you're using the commentaries of the rabbis and discussions say before Christ or post

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Christ, Jesus Christ, then I would say well obviously, I mean we know that the

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Jewish rabbis rejected Jesus, they called Him a bastard, you know, those sorts of things. I understand that but see

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I don't want to get to that definition of Judaism. I want to say the question is what does the Torah say? What does the

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Tanakh say? Because that's the foundation no matter what we have to say here, the foundation of even that other version of Judaism like the commentaries of the rabbis and the interpretations and those sorts of that tradition that comes from Torah, Tanakh.

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So that's where we have to go to is that we have to go to that standard and ask the question did the Hebrew God actually tell us, foretell us that the

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Messiah was in fact going to be the God man? That's what we need to find out. So the law and the prophets essentially is what we have to go to.

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I think you springboard off of the premier text at the beginning of the episode was the child born, the son to be given, the government being upon his shoulders and he'll be called wonderful counselor and in the

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Hebrew is El Gabor, the mighty God that's the title of God attributed to Yahweh, the

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Lord, Prince of Peace and of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end talking about the kingdom and the reign of the

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Messiah spreading throughout all the earth. Also if you go to Micah chapter 5 you see a wonderful wonderful promise in verse 2 but you

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Bethlehem Judy's imposits that God who are too little to be among the clans of Judah from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel who's coming forth is from of old from ancient days.

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Now unfortunately the translation doesn't really do justice to how awesome that is but literally the one whose comings and goings are from eternity.

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So the one who was there in eternity past that's the one coming to Bethlehem.

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Yes. Right. By the way where was Jesus born? Bethlehem. Right. Oh little town of Bethlehem.

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So that's critical. One thing that if you didn't catch it I want you to please hear this is that in Isaiah chapter 9 this is not just like this verse that just sort of exists sort of suspended in the middle of a text like it just sort of appears out of nothing.

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Just a quick run through as fast as possible if you look at Isaiah chapters 1 and 2 it's God his indictment upon his people for not preserving justice not establishing justice he tells them you need to correct oppression you need to cease to do evil learn to do good he says come to me

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I'll forgive you though your sins are as scarlet as white as snow and it's all listen it's all under discussion of injustice and evil in the world and God's people doing nothing about it and then lo and behold the glorious text in Isaiah chapter 2 that says that God himself will draw the nations up to his mountain very symbolic language there it goes by the way water doesn't go up water goes down so Isaiah gives you this picture of water being sucked up to God's mountain as the nations are pulled up to God's mountain the nations not just Israel not just the tribes the nations

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Jews and Gentiles coming up the mountain of God and it says that God's Torah his law would go forth from Zion the place of the people of God it would go forth so you see

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God saying you're not oppressing you're not stopping injustice and oppression but my

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Messiah is going to bring the nations and the law is going to go forth into the world and then it moves on again and it goes into Isaiah chapter 8 you get this pattern prophecy there of the virgin conceiving with child

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Emmanuel God with us 7 Isaiah 7 7 sorry 7 by the way that of course is a particular prophecy that's not a we wouldn't call that a predictive prophecy we would call that a pattern prophecy that points to Jesus it's very symbolic it's very powerful by the way

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God with us virgin conceiving but then you get into Isaiah 9 and now you have God sort of responding to what he said was going to take place injustice unrighteousness sin, evil all these things and God's going to bring his

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Messiah the nations are going to come up but listen then it says that watch what God's going to do God is going to come himself as a son and as a child please hang on to that Ben if you're listening my friend please hear that Isaiah 9 long before Jesus comes to the earth we're talking about like we're talking about over 600 years before Jesus comes to the earth in his earthly ministry you've got the

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Jewish prophet saying in no unclear terms that a son that's a human and a child a human is going to come and be given to us and then all of the names of Yahweh are attached to the son wonderful counselor

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El Gibor the mighty God everlasting father the word there in the

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Hebrew if you look this up is always that word there of father is not speaking of like heavenly father father in heaven but of creator the father of eternity the one who is over all eternity he is coming as a son as a man but here's what's glorious it says of the increase of his government and of peace there'll be no end so here's this kingdom that's going to grow and grow and grow and grow and grow on the throne of David and over his kingdom to establish and to uphold it and here's what

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MacArthur needs to hear with justice yes and righteousness from this time forth and forever more now for all of you guys who are hanging in the background brothers and sisters who are saying well isn't that coming in the future like Jesus into that later we're going to talk about that Jesus says that he brought the kingdom

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Paul says that he brought the kingdom and the Bible teaches very clearly that the

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Messiah's kingdom Daniel 2 would come during the time of the fourth kingdom and that is from Babylon it lands on Rome and lo and behold

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Jesus comes in during the Roman kingdom the fourth kingdom saying the kingdom of God has arrived it's here at the fingertip reach so what's important here to note is that the kingdom of God as it arrives into history is going to grow and increase and God himself as a son and as a child coming into the world is going to establish justice and righteousness and you know that's great

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I was just going to say and not only that you quoted the promise from Daniel 2 about the timing of Messiah's coming yeah but fast forward over to Daniel 9 in the 70 weeks prophecy too and talks about how he's going to be the anointed one essentially is going to be cut off he's going to die a violent death yes and then after that is the destruction of the temple that comes so it had to be him so the question ultimately like Luke was saying is

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I mean that temple's gone right it's gone now so if Jesus was not the

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Messiah then who is right he did die a violent death he was cut off he was sacrificed he was the offering given for sins and then the temple was destroyed yeah so if there is no

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Messiah now he's not coming yeah exactly so that's the point and this is what I would want to try to impress upon my

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Orthodox Jewish friends and Ben is if Jesus isn't the Messiah there is no

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Messiah right if Jesus isn't the Messiah nobody can possibly fit anymore into it because Daniel chapter 9 no matter how you interpret the 70 weeks prophecy no matter how complicated the timeline is

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I think you could show that it actually lands on Jesus and I won't do that today it's too long of a discussion it doesn't matter though because what you what does matter is that Daniel is told that the purpose of the 70 weeks prophecy is to make an end of sin yep to make atonement for iniquity to bring in everlasting righteousness to anoint the most holy these are important messianic things and it says that the

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Messiah the Prince the Messiah the Prince is going to be cut off and then it says the second

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Jewish temple is going to be destroyed well that's done that's 70 AD right it was a tragic awful awful thing historically historically and if Jesus isn't the one who was cut off before the destruction of that temple who died the violent death that was predicted then there is no

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Messiah and what's important is this is all from the Torah right this is all from the law and the prophets this is all

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Old Testament this isn't anything from the New Testament and so that's that's why it's so important to point this out to a

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Jew yeah and when and when you talk about a different scheme between Judaism believe me the reason I trust and have given my life to Jesus as my

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Messiah my Lord my God the one that I am fully invested and entrusting in with my everything the

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Savior of my soul the reason is not because very fanciful arguments from the

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New Testament or from Christians or just wishful thinking the reason I am a

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Christian in terms of the root of my confidence is from the Torah and the Tanakh the

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Old Testament is what convinces me that Jesus is the Messiah everything you need to know about Jesus as Mashiach to know

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Him as Savior and as Lord is found in the Old Testament the Old the New Testament only amplifies it and so I give another example here when when you talk about like you know nothing about in the

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Bible about God sort of like appearing as a man or taking on human form I would say you got to go back to the

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Torah and the Tanakh because I can't even have time in today's episode to go through all the texts about the

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Angel of the Lord the Angel of the Lord text from the Old Testament my friends the Angel of the

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Lord is clearly Yahweh is clearly the Lord a couple of examples the

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Angel of the Lord Exodus 3 .2 the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush and he looked and behold the bush was burning with fire the bush was not consumed the

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Angel of the Lord the Messenger of Yahweh appeared to him in a blazing fire by the way this is really important too we got to get this right because this is an error we make at times we see a word and we have association with that word and so like we see angel and we start thinking of like right like like cherubim and seraphim like before the throne there's a difference between an angelic creature and the

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Angel of the Lord the Messenger of the Lord the Messenger of Yahweh appears to him in a blazing fire we know who was

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God God but this is the Angel of the Lord another example is Exodus 3 read 2 through 6 and you'll see that discussion or how about Genesis 16 7 through 8 the

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Angel of the Lord founded by the spring of water in the wilderness it's the Messenger of the Lord you have another example

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I'm just going to run through a few here because there's just goodness there's so many here's one powerful one Genesis chapter 19 this is

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Sodom and Gomorrah right this is Sodom and Gomorrah and you have the two angels show up but here's what some interesting language happens here in Genesis where it says oh man this is so cool

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Genesis it's I'm sorry guys I missed that 1923 the sun had risen on the earth when the lot came to Zoar then the

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Lord Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven so you have you have

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Yahweh raining sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven but there's only one

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God there is only one God Shema Yisrael Yahweh Eloheinu Yahweh Echad there is only one

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God here O Israel the Lord our God the Lord is One before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me only one being of God and yet in the

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Old Testament before we have any understanding of Jesus coming and and all these things and we see this distinction in persons happening

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Yahweh raining down from Yahweh from heaven and you've got the Lord said to my Lord said in my right hand to make enemies a footstool for your feet

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Psalm chapter 2 beautiful Psalm where it says in Psalm chapter 2 you have

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God saying ask of me and I will give you the nations for your inheritance the very ends of the earth for your possession this is a distinction between persons in terms of we would say the

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Father and the Son the Father speaking to the Son saying obey the Son or you'll perish kings of the earth so there's clearly a distinction in person happening and then of course this is a beautiful one

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I got to say it real fast and I know Luke's about to say something in Genesis the beautiful text in Genesis between Abraham and Isaac oh man it's my favorite it's my favorite pattern prophecy from the

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Old Testament it gives me goose bumps you have Abraham the father of our faith and his son

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Isaac it says he's the son of the promise the son of his love it says Yahweh tells him go and you take your son

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Isaac and you sacrifice him in the place that I'll tell you it's a three day journey to get to this place Mount Moriah and they get to it three days it wasn't like go over there kill your son go to this specific spot with your son

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Isaac the son of your love your only son and you give him there as a sacrifice to me so they get all the way to that place three days later with the wood on his back and then

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Isaac carries his son his only son the son of his love carries the wood of the sacrifice to the place of the sacrifice that's so awesome and they get there and Isaac's like father here's the fire here's this but like where's the lamb where's the lamb and Abraham the father of our faith says

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God will provide for himself the lamb my son and so he binds

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Isaac his son the son of his love who carried the wood to the place of the sacrifice onto that altar and then he raises his knife and who comes to stop him

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Malachi Yahweh it says the angel of the Lord tells him to stop and what does he say in terms of who is the angel of the

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Lord who materializes and appears essentially he's there appearing to him talking to him and he says the angel of the

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Lord says to him you haven't withheld your only son from me the angel of the

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Lord you haven't withheld your son from me I thought that Abraham was offering his son to Yahweh and yet the angel of the

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Lord saying you haven't withheld him from me and then they see a ram caught in the thicket of the bush not a what lamb a ram and they offer the ram and then

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Abraham says this is the mount the Lord will provide it and it was about 2 ,000 years later that the son of God's love his only son his eternal son carried the wood to the place of the sacrifice and where was it that place and what did

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God not do there he didn't withhold his hand to sacrifice his son in that place wow but when you say to me like the

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Judaism knows nothing about God becoming a man you know God materializing you know taking human form it's like Ben I love you man but do you

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Bible like it's it's right there like it's in the text that's what we're going to Christians Christians my friend are not going to the

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New Testament and sort of like fanciful theological footwork saying let's just make a creative story the early

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Jews who turned to Jesus as Messiah were doing so on the basis of the

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Scriptures of the Old Testament as a matter of fact if you read the book of Acts these are all Jewish Christians it says in Acts chapter 9 that Paul is going to the synagogue and he's reasoning from the

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Scriptures proving that Jesus is Messiah from the Scriptures the most beautiful Bible study to have ever been involved in would have been that day after Jesus rose again they were on the road to Emmaus and these

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Jewish disciples are freaking out they're like oh we thought he was Messiah we thought he was this and that he's dead now and Jesus is like walking alongside them and he's like are you slow to believe all that the

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Scriptures have written and then Jesus the Messiah takes them through the Old Testament all the places the

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Old Testament told about Jesus that's a Bible study that I wish I was a part of I wish

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I was a part of that Bible study ok Pastor Lee I was just going to say briefly when you were talking about Yahweh and Yahweh you know obviously in Genesis 1 you have

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God created heavens and the earth God there being Elohim which of course is plural so how does that work and then later on in verse 26 you know it's got

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God says Elohim says let us make man in our image you know so like just more more

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Old Testament language that points to a distinction in persons exactly a distinction in persons alright so more to do

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I know we're trying to go faster guys please forgive me for my rapid fire today guys I'm just trying to get this episode done because we have to leave and do some stuff for end abortion now

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I'm doing my best ok here we go occasionally he intervenes in history but he doesn't take physical form it's one of the key beliefs of Judaism actually isn't it a corporeal

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God no it's not no it's not if you read the Torah and the Tanakh you actually have plenty of examples of God literally taking on human form

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I seem to remember somebody wrestling with God I seem to remember somebody one of our heroes

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Jacob wrestling with God now is that in the book of Matthew or Galatians where is that in the book of Revelation Genesis oh that was in Genesis that's called the

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Torah Ben Ben come to Jesus you've got to come to Christ he's the

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Messiah you are so brilliant Ben listen the only thing that separates any of us from God ultimately is our sin we're all fallen we're all corrupt we all get things wrong you can't reject

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Jesus because of quote Judaism or the Old Testament you can only turn to Jesus because of the

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Old Testament and Judaism real Judaism like the real real deal man

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Ben that's just that's just too easy you know that you are a lot smarter than me Ben you are definitely a lot smarter than me and you should know better than to say that God wouldn't materialize or appear because you know all about God wrestling with Jacob you know all about it also known as Israel that's right that's right so that means that it's a the idea is actually foreign to Judaism of a merged

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God man Isaiah 9 Micah 5 2 we could go on just describing this but that's not true it's not foreign to Judaism unless and that's why

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I tried to make the distinction there that's really important unless what you mean by Judaism Ben is the

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Judaism of the Jewish commentaries the Rabbi's commentaries rabbinic tradition if that's what you mean by Judaism okay but that doesn't make it biblical

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I mean we're talking about what is the word of God say what's the Torah and the Tanakh say I want to know what the Torah says

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I want to know what the Tanakh says I want to know what that says because these Rabbis disagree with each other back and forth and by the way to be fair so do

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Christians Christians will disagree back and forth I mean I'm doing a show today talking about how I disagree with some of the things my brother

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John McArthur said so Christians have disagreements back and forth so where do you go for solace where do you go for objective truth and that standard you go to the revelation of God himself the source

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God spoke so what did God say to Moses that's what I want to know what did God say to Isaiah that's what

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I want to know what did He say to Ezekiel that's what I want to know that's the Judaism I want to get back to I've been talking about real

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Judaism that's what I want to get to who then is who is God in physical form but then dies and is resurrected and all this it's just a different idea than existing

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Judaism so you're not if you mean Judaism of the remnant commentaries but if you mean the Judaism of the

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Old Testament then let's start let's figure that out how about in Isaiah chapter 9 the text we already brought up you have the

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Messiah the Prince Messiah the Prince who comes well that's who's that who's Messiah the Prince Messiah the

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Prince Messiah the Prince is um well he's the same one that's in Daniel chapter 7 so Daniel 9 says

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Daniel 9 says Messiah the Prince comes and he's cut off well that word is used in the

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Old Testament to describe a violent death like sacrifices so Messiah the

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Prince comes to make atonement for iniquity he's cut off he dies a violent death and then the second

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Jewish temple is going to be destroyed again 70 AD it's done it's over Ben so if he's not the

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Messiah there is no Messiah because there ain't no more second temple it's gone but if you look in Daniel chapter 7 who is

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Messiah the Prince he's the one who's actually seated next to Yahweh he's the one who's being worshipped well you can only worship

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God what's Messiah the Prince doing taking a throne and actually being worshipped there are thrones in Daniel 7 and the

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Messiah is on one of them and he's receiving worship so when you talk about like you know there's nothing in Judaism about the

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Messiah being worshipped and God and those sorts of things I would say again let's check out our

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Old Testament let's look at our Torah on Tanakh yep anything else? I know we're rushing we're getting to the end oh oh oh

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I forgot I'm not even bringing up of course the one you know Ben of course I know you have Christians bringing this up to you but when you talk about like nothing about him dying and rising again

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I would say not true either just the Old Testament how about Isaiah chapter 53

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Isaiah 53 we've got a copy of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls that predate Christ and so we've got

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Isaiah 53 in that text and in that text long before Jesus comes

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Isaiah 53 it talks about the Messiah and they thought he was being punished for his own sins but Yahweh was laying on him the iniquity of us all well you've got

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Yahweh laying on this one the sins of God's people and if somebody says well that's just a way it's a roundabout way of describing

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Israel it couldn't be it could not be because it very clearly says in Isaiah 53 he had done no deceit there was no violence no violence no deceit in his mouth had

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Israel done violence does Israel have deceit in their mouths of course so that can't be

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Israel and it clearly says in Isaiah 53 that they were going to think he was dying for his own sins but he was dying for the sins of God's people he'd be pierced through for our transgressions crushed for our iniquities a chastening for our well -being fell upon him and by his wounds we are healed and it says

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Yahweh was pleased to crush him putting him to grief he would justify the many as he'd bear their iniquities but it does say this he'd be counted among the rebels who did

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Jesus die with the criminals the rebels who did Jesus die for who was he counted as a sinner a rebel and then it says what after he dies in Isaiah 53 it says very clearly that he will actually tell of God's name to his brethren well

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I thought he died what's he doing now telling about God to his brethren so he'll see his offspring he'll prolong his days is actually that particular verse he'll see his offspring he will prolong his days he dies and yet he sees his offspring and prolongs his days it's all in the text

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Ben it's all there in the Old Testament it is a powerful powerful thing to have the word of God speaking to us about Mashiach about the

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Messiah and I want to say you know what I'm going to actually leave it to this section because it's going to come up right here this is where we need to talk about it he's not coming

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I'm waiting for the Messiah to come in the form of a political figure remember I said that remember

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I said that MacArthur's and some of you guys maybe didn't believe me and so I hope you'll just give me just a moment here did you hear that that is one of the key reasons besides of course human sin and rebellion but in terms of argumentation that's one of the key reasons

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Orthodox Jews Jews reject Jesus as Mashiach why? because Christians give them an excuse to why?

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because we say things like Jesus didn't bring his kingdom not really it's coming later he's not concerned with justice he'll do all the political stuff that you guys expected of him later the justice and the righteousness the peace increasing in the earth that'll come someday later and so the

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Jews goes then he's not the Messiah why? well tell us why

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I mean Psalm 22 I mean the Passion Psalm of the Messiah just mimics perfectly what

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Isaiah 53 says in terms of his death is piercing his hands and his feet the fact that all the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the

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Lord the families of the nations are going to come back to worship God the posterity shall serve him his posterity shall serve him how's he going to have a posterity when he's laid in the dust of death yeah right that's right so another passage that we quote all the time

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Isaiah 42 about the Messiah bringing justice this is important can we do that let's do it yeah go ahead and read it because this is we all need to hear because listen

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I love brother brother MacArthur I love you so much you are such a gift to God's church but listen do you hear what

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Ben said there he said in Judaism the Messiah has a political component to himself an issue of justice and righteousness and you know what let me say this

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Ben you're right yes Ben Ben Ben Ben you are right right right you are absolutely right the

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Messiah is supposed to have a political component to himself in terms of righteousness and justice and the law of God in the world and bringing peace you are absolutely right and I want to say this and that's precisely what he's doing and he doesn't do it he doesn't do it sort of from military might he does it through the transformation of the person through the good news through salvation he changes human beings he draws the nations and as people love and worship the

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Lord God of Israel because of Jesus they now love his law they love justice they love righteousness and then that begins to permeate around the earth but listen to that text

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Isaiah 42 Behold my servant whom I uphold my chosen and whom my soul delights

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I have put my spirit on him he will bring forth justice to the nations he will not cry aloud or lift up his voice or make it heard in the street a bruised reed he will not break and a faintly burning wick he will not quench he will faithfully bring forth justice he will not grow faint or be discouraged till he has established justice where?

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in the earth in the earth and the coastlands wait for his law the farthest reaches of civilization where there are no people that's where Jesus is bringing his light and his justice they wait for his

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Torah his law his law it's powerful and you know one of the things that's important to grapple with about the message of Jesus is when

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Jesus came into the world he didn't have the truncated gospel that many evangelicals have today in terms of it's just about going to heaven one day that's a truncated gospel is it true that we get eternal life we go to heaven one day?

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yes but that wasn't the sum and substance of Jesus' message what did Jesus say to pray about? our father who art in heaven may your name be holied around the world well that would seem to mean societal transformation if Jesus tells you the

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Messiah tells you to pray that God's name would be holied throughout the world then that would mean the world needs to be changed right?

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because they're not now completely and then when he says your name be holied he says your will be done kingdom come your kingdom come your rule come let it come and he says and let your will be done here on earth how?

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just how much? well the same way that it is in heaven so just how much has God obeyed in heaven?

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perfectly so what does Jesus tell us to pray for? that the way that God has obeyed and his will is done in heaven that that's how it would be done here that's what

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Jesus tells us all to pray about so when you say like Jesus he's different than the Judaism and ours is more of a political you know righteousness justice ruler well

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I would say Ben read Jesus words that's what he's talking about the rule of God the kingdom of God justice righteousness the will of God here in this life in this world

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I want to say this Ben if you're watching this listen one of the the struggles that we've had within western

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Christianity please hear me on this one of the struggles we've had in western Christianity is we've had truncated versions of the gospel of the kingdom we've actually in many ways distorted the message of Jesus in many many ways and so we've even lost some of what historic

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Christianity and early Jew Jewish followers of Jesus would have been saying and doing in the name of Jesus in the world and we've truncated it all and we've basically taken the message of Jesus and we've whittled it down to a few abstract concepts but we've lost actually what

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Jesus was preaching that you would love Ben that you want to hear from him in terms of is he the

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Messiah the first thing Jesus does after John the Baptist says repent for the kingdom of God is at hand the first thing

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Jesus does is he goes to the wilderness to the wilderness does what Israel failed to do and it says he comes out proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of the kingdom which is

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Ben what you're talking about when you say political rule or injustice and righteousness and reshaping the world my goodness that's exactly what

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Jesus was talking about but listen Ben he wasn't talking about it in terms of military might and fighting he was talking about in terms of salvation and peace with God when we receive peace with God through faith in the

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Messiah and his work we receive justification a declaration of righteousness and peace with God but we also have been regenerated and changed and made alive with new hearts and now we love

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God's law we love his justice we love his righteousness and what's amazing Ben and Ben I'm not telling you anything you don't know but this is important Ben you know that in history when

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Christians have come into a culture and civilization you know that while it's not perfect Christians haven't been perfect by a long shot you have seen that as Christians have come into cultures and societies they've actually increased the love for God's law the love for God's justice the love for righteousness and all those things like who's doing the majority of like the adoption things in the world with fatherless children is it people that are atheists or even modern

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Jews it's actually who Ben it's the Christian Church who are the ones that have abolished slavery in every single place we've gone in history who are the ones that have ended it through the message of the gospel the

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Christians everywhere we've gone we've ended slavery corrected oppression now

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I'm not saying it's been perfect I'm not saying Christians don't have work to do what I'm saying is that that move of the

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Messiah through his redemption and salvation begins to increase in his government and of peace and my friends there is no end there is no end to it so man are we out of time we're 11 minutes past time all right so I hope this has whet your appetite everybody let me point you to some texts to read about in terms of the

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Messiah himself read Isaiah 2 read Isaiah 11 read Isaiah 42 read

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Isaiah 53 I'm just in Isaiah we haven't even touched the other books yet except for Daniel we did some with Daniel so I want to encourage you to go through those the

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Old Testament texts themselves please do that investigate that and for Christians my brothers and sisters in Christ whom

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I love with all my heart who have had an eschatological perspective that puts the kingdom of God somewhere later just know that not only is that not consistent with the message of Jesus and the apostles but know that it does damage it does damage to our witness why?

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because it's not true it's not true Jesus says that he brought the kingdom he did he taught that he brought it proof you all know this here's one example

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Matthew 12 right I think it escapes me at the moment it's either 10, 11 or 12 it's where they say that Jesus is casting out demons that he's casting out demons because he's you're shacked up with the devil that's how you're doing it you're casting out demons because you're working with Satan that's how you're doing it so Jesus gives them an if then he says if I cast out demons by the spirit of God he says then the kingdom of God has come upon you so question brothers and sisters did

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Jesus cast out demons by the spirit of God if you say yes then then the kingdom of God had come upon them also you of course you can see the apostle

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Paul saying that God has delivered us out of the domain of darkness and he's brought us into the kingdom of his son we can go on for days and testament the

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New Testament itself giving us testimony that the Messiah has brought his kingdom and if you say

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I just don't know about that I would say well let me ask you this do you believe that Jesus is king of kings and if you say yes you mean that means you believe that he rules now as the king over the kings of the earth is he lord of lords and if you say yes

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I would say is that just a pithy statement or do you believe it is that just something to put on a t -shirt or do you really believe it and if you say well give me more

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Jeff I would say first Corinthians 15 the apostle Paul says that Jesus is on the

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Davidic throne now he's not waiting to be installed to the

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Davidic throne he's there now and what's he doing according to Paul in first Corinthians 15 he is placing every enemy under his feet as a footstool for his feet today so we're not waiting for Jesus to take a seat on the

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Davidic throne he according to the apostle Paul through inspiration is on that throne right now putting

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God's enemies under his feet and the very last enemy to be defeated is death so Jesus is on the throne putting all of his enemies under his feet

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I say he's the king that was always promised but he's not ruling in the way that men would like to rule with military might he's ruling through salvation and redemption

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donation a month when you do that you actually support the work of Apologia Church to get the gospel around the world and so please do you got anything else you want to say no man it's been a great show

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I wish we had more time we have to I'm sorry guys scraping the surface yeah we are we have to go today guys because we are we have to go film something for end abortion now so please pray for us actually for that and I just want to thank you all so much for your support this year it's been a huge blessing to us we're grateful for you go to ApologiaStudios .com

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to get more content and to sign up for all access what else this is the last show of the year right

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I think it is the last show of the year if you guys would please pray for us because we we're going to be launching our end abortion now 2019 stuff in the next couple of days actually please be in prayer for us that God would use that in a mighty way he has now brought the message of the gospel against abortion to Southern Ireland Northern Ireland Canada United States Australia and New Zealand and it's all been through our joint effort it's not our thing it's partnership people of God doing this together around Jesus and the gospel by the way are you ready for this because it relates to the

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Ben Shapiro thing completely bringing justice yeah do you get that do you see it now it's

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Jesus and his message and his rule over us that brings about justice increasing in the world are you seeing it now now all we need now is for the whole world to come to Jesus and then everybody will love

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God's law and his justice and righteousness and then you'll have a world that is essentially gone from the garden to the desert back to the garden

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Garden City Garden City baby alright y 'all so praise the Lord that is

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Luke the Bear peace out and Merry Christmas Merry Christmas everybody I'm Jeff the Ninja and Happy New Year to you in jail and that is