EXCLUSIVE: Interview with the creator of The Real David Platt Documentary: Jeremiah Burke DMW#247

The real David Platt documentary is taking social media by storm. We sat down for an exclusive interview with the creator Jeremiah Burke. Stick around. Exploring theology doctrine and all of the fascinating subjects in between.

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So this is an exclusive Episode so I won't stay too long on the intro the real David Platt documentary has been Released just a few days ago. It's already racked up hundreds of thousands of views both parts 1 and part 2.

I've been railing against David Platt since 2012 after I saw him on the Elephant Room documentaries put on by guys like Mark Driscoll Perry Noble James McDowell and then David Platt Stephen Furtick and just about every one of those guys have been ousted from their church and started a new church with their own authoritarian elder board.

That Allows them to do whatever they want and that seems to be what has happened here in the real real David Platt documentary. We have the creator and participant Jeremiah Burke on Reached out to him.

He was happy to come on. So we've got some additional details for you. So if you watch the documentary and you had some questions, I think hopefully we answered some additional questions for you he was a lovely guest very forthright and outgoing and informational and You know just just an all-around good guy brother in the Lord that just said hey there was some stuff going on this church for years and years and we had to expose it and That's what the documentary is about.

So Jeremiah Burke on this episode. We talked probably geez good 45 50 minutes. I think it was only supposed to be a half hour, but we just got going and kind of talking back and forth but exclusive interview dropping.

Not weekly. I'm just gonna drop this. I just recorded it five minutes ago. We'll edit it down get it out to you guys. So you can take a look for those who watch the real David Platt documentary part one and two.

This is an interview with the creator and he was a participant in it as well. So next voice you hear It's going to be me and Jeremiah Burke. So Jeremiah, thanks for coming on dead man walking. I appreciate it just want to sit down with you and Discuss the real David Platt documentary which you were part of.

First of all, what has been the response that you've gotten from this documentary because it seems to be very popular over the last couple days.

Response to the Documentary and the Church Background

Yeah, there's been a pretty positive response. Majority positive and I mean from what I've seen 97 98 percent pluses has been very appreciative very thankful. You know, there's a couple of Bits of negativity and that's fine as well.

But it's it's gone pretty broad. I mean we've gotten. We've been contacted from people in Europe Russia a gentleman actually asking to to see if we could give him permission to translate it Into to Russian so he can distribute it through through Russia as well, but all over different parts of Europe.

So it's it's it's I guess it's had a pretty broad reach at this point only a weekend. So I guess that's that's pretty good news.

Yeah, the internet's a crazy thing how it kind of can go global like that before we get into too much of the doc. You were prominently Kind of featured in that but I didn't really get to know too much about you and your wife.

Could you give us a little bit of background on who you are and kind of a little bio on you?

Sure. Yeah, I've well start with myself. We've we've been attending the church for I guess 19 years since 2005. On a regular basis became members in 2015. I personally work in the wealth management industry and so numbers are always come kind of something I'm looking into and following pretty closely.

My wife is actually a photographer. So that's what she does full-time and. The church is actually the reason we moved to Northern Virginia. So we're both Kind of from Maryland and then kind of moved west for this church.

So this has been a pretty big part of our lives since Since we got married.

Sure, so there for 19 years. Are you still still attending McLean Bible Church?

So virtually I guess so in 2021. Yeah late 2021 Church leadership decided to Disfellowship us that's after they kind of trespassed us. So we we haven't legally been able to go On any of the campuses. Per our attorney said don't don't do it.

So we're not going on on campuses to attend services, but we attend online. Is pretty much how we attend. So it's it's still kind of up in the air. Apparently they disfellowshipped us and removed our membership.

It actually that was part of our court case. They tried to have us removed from the actual litigation of the judge. Didn't accept their request actually rejected it and said they had no Evidence to show that they actually ever removed us or followed any procedures to remove us.

So in a way, I guess we're kind of members and I guess the way and the church's I were church's eyes. We're not members at the same time. So yeah, so so I guess if someone watches docu.

Yeah, someone watches documentary. They'd go. Oh my gosh after everything you've been through and kind of how you retreated Why would you still stick around? Is it kind of like hey, this is our home church.

This is where we've been for almost two decades. Like we need to see this thing through. Is that kind of the attitude?

Yeah, I think for for those who are there kind of before the the SBC Kind of got in the church was very influential not only having an impact, you know obviously on our personal lives and the community that was built and Just what you get theologically.

But it was a huge impact on the DC area. A lot of politicians and and I guess big players in DC Would come and attend and so it was a very influential church and and it was a beacon of light. Which is kind of how the documentary opens is just to give people context of what the church actually was.

So in the DC area It was it was very well known and it did great stuff. It really did and so our idea, you know behind the whole documentary and kind of standing up to the corruption was just to bring the truth to light.

You know restoring the truth and transparency and the original purpose of the church which was to impact Washington, you know with the gospel of Jesus Christ and therefore You know with the impact of Washington we could possibly Impact the world so that vision that was there for a long long time Before David came is something, you know, I think would be good for the church to have restored not just for the church of the body, but just for.

The community in the world in general. Yeah, no, absolutely. So You're a longtime member there. Like like you said, I think you said 19 years. Is that is that what I heard?

Attending for 19 years, but a member since 2015 2015. Okay, so.

Longtime attending their member for a long time as well to coming up on a decade and. So when was the first time that you started having some misgivings about what was going on in your home church.

Well, I guess for different people it's it's different time so when when David was presented and I Guess we kind of knew it then but we didn't really know it then. The the leadership of the church was actually violating the Constitution then because they're supposed to bring forward multiple candidates To the church, you know for us to see and and there was no candidates.

It was it was David Platt alone. So there was no one else and and they admit to that at least some of them admit to that to this day and You know y 'all bit of fault there. But I didn't even know who David Platt was he wasn't on my radar.

I guess some people may have known some people may have not not have known but I Think when he first came on there there was a group that that definitely Left at that point because of that one the process wasn't followed.

It was just a violation of the Constitution from the very beginning and two they had concerns with Platt again. I didn't have concerns because I had no idea who he was. Sure I'd say 2019 is probably when.

And I had some friends kind of after that that I know of that left maybe in 2018 time frame. And then more in 2019 and that's probably when when I started to have concerns. Was 2019? And you give some grace right, you know sure in there if you see something, but then it just became Kind of more egregious and and to the point in 2020 where it's like this is crazy.

What's what's actually happening here? But that was the same time Kovac came around and they shut the church down. So even though there was craziness, you know within the church itself and and kind of what they were putting out content wise the There was no way to voice any opposition to what was going on because the church was was shut down.

So I'd say 2019 is is kind of when I started to see things and definitely into 2020 for sure.

Congregational Meetings, Trespass Orders, and Church Politics

Yeah, one of the most riveting parts of that documentary is some of the footage that I think you took if I'm not mistaken I think there's there's some footage of you walking into it looks like a congregational meeting or a vote of some kind I can't remember off the top of my head and It was just it was it was absolutely riveting by it by you know.

Catching like David Platt and some of the leaders turn to you and just run and in. I could never in a million years I mean, I'm the church I attend now is the largest church. Congregational wise and you know, I'm 43 and I think we have about 600 700 people.

It's the largest church I've ever attended. But I could never imagine me walking up to my essentially my pastor and him turning and running and being Bustled away by security. He wouldn't even look in the eye.

I think it was your your lead elder was kind of you know. Taking him back and he go this is just a from what I saw in the documentary from what you're telling me a church member that had questions and.

And to be treated like that it really hurt my heart really because shepherds have a very high standard in the Bible. We read in you know. Go read Ezekiel 34 and what he talks when God talks about his leaders turning their people away and what he's gonna do to them.

Okay, you know and you know wolves among sheep and all that. And you mentioned that video a little bit earlier. Can you expand on that a little bit? Like what was the thought process of. We're gonna go to this meeting and did we want to record it to make sure like everything?

Everything I'm saying and doing is on the up-and-up and it can be documented. Was that kind of the idea?

Yeah, so what was going on they had actually sent. Actually, no one knows who sent it there was an email that had gone out earlier that day. It was signed by the elders or at least the the signature line said elders or NBC elder board something to that effect and it was basically saying after our you know, multiple attempts to contact or not contact you but To speak with you etc to address your kind of consistent opposition to the church and its leadership.

You're basically dis fellowship that was that was the idea and there was a meeting that night and They did it right before that meeting which we were planning on going to that meeting anyway. Because it was the one meeting they were allowing where you could ask questions on budget on concerns that you had with the church and The church won't have any I Guess kind of congregational meetings is what they are.

So the last congregational meeting they had was July July 18th, and I think you can see from the documentary it opens with threats. There's police everywhere. The reason they say if anybody talks Is because in Virginia, I think it's a class one misdemeanor if you interrupt a religious service.

So what they started to do was combine the actual congregational meeting which is not a religious service with the actual service itself. They're that way they could justify, you know pulling people out.

If you combine right an actual worship service with a congregational meeting because otherwise they Under the law it couldn't do anything right because it's just a congregational meeting so they would combine Congregation congregational meets with worship services so they therefore could bring the police in and do what they want to do to silence everybody.

So what they would have is these? Because they can't let the congregation actually know what's happening because the majority of the congregations unaware of. Any of the craziness if you will. So they hold these small meetings where they can kind of control the narrative.

They can kind of control the questioning. And so that's what we were going to was actually one of those small meetings At the church for anybody that did have questions either on the budget or just the church in general.

And you know, we thought it would be good to have record of what they're doing. We didn't think they would actually kick us out. But you know, we figured you know, yeah, I guess there's a possibility there's always that possibility when we walk in but Better to have it recorded so that everybody could see what's actually going on in the church.

Yeah, so so that video and if anyone's listening and they're watching that Documentary we're talking about the it's kind of I think it's in part two maybe and it's halfway through. Here's the thing. I've worked in politics since 2008.

I'm a locally elected official. I've been a legislative liaison at our state Capitol. I've worked on national campaigns been to DC twice did the whole thing right sat down with interior secretaries with Trump and this and that.

This is exactly what? Slimy politics feels like but it was like church politics. And I've seen it at the local level to to where it's like, let's tweak this bylaw. Let's tweak this thing so we can kind of push everyone else out and then our core group of people that have a certain idea.

We can move it forward and no one else's voice matters and that's really kind of how the Documentary kind of spun it and I and I was you know on it from you. It's sounding like that's kind of how it was, too so one can you kind of confirm that it almost felt like there was a.

There was there was a smaller group of maybe men or a board with David Platt. That was kind of like we're gonna do what we want to do and no one else really gets a vote unless you're on board.

Yeah, wait, can you repeat that real quick? I think I just cut out there for a second. I'm sorry. No, that's fine.

I was just saying it seemed like there was a small kind of cabal or kind of group of people that wanted a certain thing. An agenda and in they would then they tweak rules and things like that and kind of to push everyone else out.

So they could kind of move what they wanted forward. Is that kind of. I mean, that's what the documentary Kind of sets up. Is that accurate?

Yeah, so to a degree yes, so there's definitely a senior leadership team of Individuals who are kind of in that group and that would be obviously David you have Wade Burnett who is Another individual they brought on and he's quite a character in the whole grand scheme of things and people should remember his name.

But not necessarily for right now. That's a bigger story down the road. But but David Wade Burnett Joe Carter is obviously involved in that That group or an elder board. I wouldn't put them in that inner circle I would put them into the individuals that were Kind of elevated or inserted into their role because they're they're yes men and David knew that and that's what he had to have.

So In a way, he's kind of stroking their egos because these are just guys from the church and he's saying hey I think you deserve to be an elder. Let's let's put you in the elder board. And so they're they're simply there's yes, man.

I wouldn't consider the elder board Involved in the deep corruption. Yeah. Some of them, you know, maybe here and there but but they were simply installed because they're all yes men with with absolutely no discernment At all, but but there is a group within the senior leadership, which would be David Wade Joe Carter and you could probably include Mike Kelsey who's the new?

Kind of stand-in for David for the time being they know completely what's going on what they've done. So yeah, I'd say to a degree. Yes, there are individuals and then to a lesser degree the elder board is They're just yes men that were installed by David.

The Elephant Room, Authoritarian Leadership, and Shepherd Abuse

Yeah, so in 2011 there was this series of videos that was really pushed by Mark Driscoll called the elephant room dialogues and it had Pastors come together and they were gonna talk about the elephant in the room, right and this was so this is 13 years ago 14 years ago and after watching that David Platt was in that along with guys like Perry Noble Mark Driscoll James McDowell and sometimes I wonder if was that is that the mentality of those guys because Here's what all four of those guys have in common all four of those guys have been ousted from a church.

Set up a new church and then put all of their guys around them with no type of repentance or confession in essentially run a church that is very authoritarian instead of you know, Presbytery or Congregational kind of like McLean was and it's Watching back in 2012.

I think I watched I went Why is David Platt lumped in with these guys because back then he was preaching this like poverty gospel like sell all your stuff. You know, they made like like live for that's how you're spiritual and then years later We look at the majority of those guys in those tapes and every one of those pastors and look at I'm not disparaging any of those I'm just stating facts every one of those pastors for whatever reason.

We're ousted or called to repentance. But finally and then set up a new church and then put guys around them that are their guys and you can't question me. And that's what really irks me and gets me upset is when you see shepherds abusing power like that.

And I just wanted to confirm it. It kind of felt like that at McLean as I watched a documentary of like no look at that. There's not gonna be any checks and balances. There's no accountability, which is really outside of like, you know the law.

It's not biblical right and to have you guys get mistreated like that. What was something? Like I said makes my makes my blood boil. But the one question that was just nagging at me while I was watching this and I'm thinking other people might want to know too If you're a pastor like Lon Solomon who has nurtured a church for decades for years and years and years and then you kind of hand Off the reins.

Was there any interaction from him going? Look what you're doing to the church or look how it's being divided or or was there anyone that went to him and said hey. Do you have any input on this? I didn't see a whole lot from that I don't know how much you can speak to that.

But that was a question that I had watching the documentary. Sure, sure.

So there has not been any anything from Lon so we didn't leave anything out that actually was there there there is nothing from Lon. No comment. No, no nothing. I do have some second-hand knowledge from a very reliable source, but so Lon does have either I guess we would call it a succession agreement or Retirement agreement of some sort, right so that's in play and and for my sources it is ironclad.

He is not allowed to say anything and by that I mean anything negative against the church. That's from from what I've heard. And so he obviously can't come out. If he was in support of David, you know, he obviously would have come out if Lon Solomon had Any support for what David has done?

To the church and he said you would have seen Lon Solomon come out if he was in support. He obviously can't come and support our side because he you know, he can't disparage anything. The church is doing.

Or else his succession agreement and obviously the money that's that's that's tied to that Would be compromised. So Lon has not spoken To us. He's not Given support or to the church in any stretch. Nor has he given support to our side?

He's remained silent and completely neutral at this point.

Yeah. Yeah, that's just too bad. So. Yeah, we're obviously here with Jeremiah Burke talking about the real David Platt documentary. How were you approached on that? Did you have anything to do with the making of the documentary or were you approached by someone?

Where did this idea for this documentary come from?

The Motion Against David Platt and the Documentary’s Origins

Yeah, so I don't think there was a you know, we first, you know, if you see the motion that was put forward In in March of 2021 at the congregational meeting. We're you know, basically my wife asked if we're affiliated with the SBC and David.

You know four or five times in a row lies. And then I make a motion for his removal. At that point there was no plan or idea for a documentary actually, we had Planned to just you know, bring it to the congregations attention that evening and let the congregation deal with it, but the church.

Seriously overreacted. In my opinion, we're not may not seriously overreacted. They just they took the wrong steps following that and then. What happened was when the congregation decided to vote against David's elders because as the documentary states?

There was a vote and we were voting the elders down and there was gonna be a new elder board put in and they were Going to fire David that is 100 what was gonna happen and the church knew that David knew that.

So the first vote that they had and they lost. Then there was another vote. And that's when they started to manipulate everything. So I guess it was right around that point when we thought wow. This is this is getting crazy and so I guess the intent wasn't to necessarily produce a documentary, but the Corruption got worse and worse and worse and You know, it was kind of all out there.

Not a ton of what we had was private apart from our recordings that we took. And then it, you know came together and we thought it was appropriate. Three at one, you know just for our local church. So the congregation could see what was actually happening.

It wasn't the documentary wasn't necessarily intended for the for the wider audience it was the intent was for the church itself so that we could deal with the church matter, but the David and his his kind of Board of Elders and leadership team became so incredibly corrupt.

I think people are now starting to see that but the original intent wasn't necessarily to make a documentary. It was really just to inform our local congregation of what was actually happening in their own church and how they were being deceived.

Yeah, so across media platforms, I mean close to a hundred thousand views in the first couple days. And it's picking up steam. Just because I think people are very aware now, you know Church goers members things like that.

They want to know about abuse from shepherds and pastors. They want to know about things that aren't being done biblically and not know about it because we want to you know. Heap coals on someone's heads and spread rumors.

But there are really wolves among sheep and there are people who abuse their power and things like that including. And let me just preface this. I have lots of friends in the SBC. I'm reformed Presbyterian.

I have. I grew up non-denominational. I went to a Baptist Church. So so I've got friends in all denominations as long as they're Orthodox Christians and they believe you know. They believe the Nicene Creed.

With that being said I've had some on the SBC side say hey This is this is just SBC not really understanding its books and in kind of just being Apathetic towards something I have other people saying no the yes.

This is what the SBC does and it kind of you know, it'll assume Someone and use their notoriety to grow the SBC. I'm not calling you an SBC expert but you were in a church that had this struggle between it correct me if I'm wrong essentially non-denominational to SBC and then Struggling over whether or not you're part of it.

What do you place any blame on the SBC or do you think there was anything going on there? That was I don't know secretive or untaught or or anything like that or was it just oh we didn't we didn't really understand.

What are your thoughts on that?

SBC Involvement, Money Flow, and Denominational Denial

Sure. Yeah, I think just from our discovery documents alone. The SBC was very involved in in this takeover I mean you can blame a lot of it on on David because he's obviously the destructive force behind everything that's happened since then but He obviously didn't act alone.

Kevin is L very involved in this from the very start. I'll kind of just name a couple of names that we do know what was going on. Han still back was aware. Brian Autry from the State of Virginia SBC V was involved.

Clint Clifton Who was part of NAMM? No longer with us actually passed away a couple of years ago in a plane crash. He was very involved. So there are definitely SBC figures and I think within the SBC world because I know a couple of guys in the SBC who are very good friends and They said this is in the in the higher-up circles.

If this is not only McLean that this has been done to or being done to currently. And I guess it's not even a secret amongst them. But yeah, they were heavily involved. I mean the amount of money that was going to the SBC and the amount of money that was actually flowing from the SBC through McLean.

That wasn't an accident, I mean it's it's. Not quite a million. I think that was flowing from the SBC to the church and then out. Kind of using it as a conduit or a pass-through. But I think it's around 900 ,000 if I'm not mistaken that I'd have to check the discovery documents again.

But it's it's somewhere in that in that range and they're taking this money and moving it through the church. So but it was Kevin Azell was very very involved in this. Hans Delvecque was at least aware but it was it was definitely SBC up at the top orchestrated for sure.

See my thoughts are too if I'm an executive or I'm on any any boards at the national level with the SBC and then I See publicly David Platt coming out and saying we are not an SBC Church, which we know is not the truth.

Was there any pushback from the SBC going like what are you talking about? You're on our website You're in you know, you're you filed legally that way like all these. Was there anyone from the upper echelons going?

No, you are an SBC church. You're a huge church. It's part of our denomination or did we not see any of that from the SBC?

Yeah, I we had friends call. And people we hadn't even actually met probably until the last two or three years that had called in in 2017. And and the SBC if you call a hundred line, they were very, you know open about it like yeah, McLean is is SBC, but the church would deny it and and obviously as you can see today David still denies it but When you call the 800 lines, they were they were very open or even the state cooperative.

They were You know open but this is before kind of everything went crazy and everybody figured out what David was doing. But then you see the deposition tape of Ashley Clayton who was on the executive committee of the SBC.

He was very open with me when I emailed him that yes, McLean is affiliated a hundred percent. But then when it came to his deposition he backtracked and unfortunately for him, I mean he was lying under oath.

Yeah, and you could see that in the deposition tape, but I think It Everything was kind of locked down. No one thought this stuff was gonna go public. I Guess they just thought it was gonna end and that's maybe why he was willing to lie under oath.

But it's out there now. So, you know, he was involved obviously as well from the executive committee.

It's always ironic to me when Christians who believe in an omnipresent God I think they can get away with lying in secret and it'll never come to light. It's like you should fear God more than you fear.

It's maybe someone like you with a little bit of detective skills and It's a motive to expose people. Yeah, so I just blew my mind that you had stuff on the website. Because this is I hate to compare it to this again, but this is politics 101 you will literally have documentation Dead to rights facts in front of you and the politician will look right at you and say the exact opposite.

I mean, that's the feeling I got when I when you see websites and monies and tax, you know stuff and it's all pointing to. Remember that we see and you got to go we are not a member of the SPC. I'm just a man if I was a board member of the SPC.

Oh, what are you talking about? Like how can you lie publicly when all this stuff supports that way and I know I'm kind of chuckling but it's it's really a. It's not only angering but it's sad that you'd have a leader doing that and that's why I'm so grateful That you did a documentary like this just to kind of expose those things and Bring it to light because and this is the kind of one of the last two subjects I want to get to as we wrap this up.

You know from what I saw in the documentary and I just want your confirmation. It looks like for the most part those that were kind of I don't know how you want to put it. The rebels the the milk intense you troublemakers, right?

I mean, that's exactly what if I went to the leadership of McLean right now and said that that's what they would call you. Right, but it looks like you guys did everything Biblically, I mean you really tried to go take the steps go to the elders go to the church.

This was the documentary is kind of like a last resort. It feels like I mean you were dealing with this with her years and years before he said, okay.

Something has to be done. Is that correct? Yeah, so I mean different groups Have done different things over the years. I mean they Multiple members confronted the church when this first happened. But again, it wasn't widespread and they denied and lied about it back in 2017.

And then it's come up even since then on a regular basis some very devout Individuals within the church have approached David himself And and leaders within the church in private meetings, which they shared with me.

They've had documentation that they've submitted and and no answers on this on this SBC affiliation much less the money flow I mean no one had any idea about the money flow until the discovery documents actually, you know Made that stuff clear as you can see the treasure in the documentary wasn't even aware of the money flow.

So this had all been brought up multiple multiple times over the years and everybody was just shut down or the church would use fuzzy words to describe the relationship, but But they would never confirm affiliation or even affirm that that was anywhere near true and so it came to 2020 and I just started doing my own digging in late 2020 and By 2021 because again, I didn't know anything about the SBC.

I had no familiarity with it at all. But I spent I don't know maybe a thousand hours doing research to figure out, you know, where we affiliated where we're not. What was all the evidence and that's what I presented on March 31st and that was.

You know, I thought that was gonna be the last congregational meeting. Because that was a motion that was presented and they still actually haven't addressed that motion but that's why they won't hold Congregational meetings because they can't have anything that they have to actually put in the records of the church.

You know things that are happening. They can't allow that. So that's why everything's been shut down and everything's just basically a broadcast that they do you know their convenience, but this whole SBC thing was Was something that people had brought up for years and years and no one just had any evidence because we didn't have the money flow to confirm it and then I how I Did I actually went to the annual reports of the SBC V and that's where I was able to pull the Transactions and those are hundreds of pages.

I think 170 180 pages. And so if you're willing to dig through those in detail, you can find the answers and that's what I presented. But again, we didn't have any of that until I think 2018 or 2019 had I even known and I found it in 2020.

So but the church had done everything they could everybody was doing everything they could and so the brain before the congregation was Was kind of the last resort and then they they kind of rejected that and so We still have to get it to the congregation.

The congregation must be aware. And so that was the point behind the documentary is to make the congregation of where what's actually happening. Where's their money going? That their leadership is actually lying through their teeth.

Every single week that they say we're not a part of the SBC nor were we ever so It was for the congregation. So to to to bring the truth to them and hopefully.

Leadership to be transparent with what they're actually doing now. I'm unaware. Is the church still claiming that they're not part of the SBC? Or have they acquiesced to that point yet? I'm sorry. Can you.

I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? Sure, is the church still claiming that they're not part of the SBC or have they acquiesced that point? They still.

Have never spoken to that. After they they kicked us out they they've they've never addressed it. To my knowledge, they're still affiliated. I've seen nothing to the contrary. To show that they're not at least at the state level.

The national affiliation they may have removed but the the money flow is was all at the at the state level. So they may be they may not be there. There's no way to tell because they don't even recognize it to begin with but.