April 23, 2018 Show with Thomas Garrett Isham on “Rock of Ages: Augustus Toplady, The Little-Known Man Behind the Well-Known Hymn”

Live from the historic parsonage of 19th century gospel minister George Norcross in downtown

Carlisle, Pennsylvania it's iron sharpens iron a radio

platform on which pastors Christian scholars and theologians Address the burning issues

facing the church and the world today.

Proverbs 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron so one

man sharpens another.

Matthew Henry said that in this passage quote we are cautioned to take heed whom we

converse with and Directed to have in view in conversation to make one another

wiser and better.

It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next hour.

And we hope to hear from you the listener with your own questions.

Now here's our host Chris.

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet

Earth or listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com.

This is Chris Arntz and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy What is today?

Today is Wednesday.

No, what's today?

Today is Monday.

Today is Monday.

I Frozen my tracks there because I completely forgot what day of the week it is.

Monday April 23rd 2018.

I think that's the first time I ever blanked out on the day of the week that long.

But I am delighted to have for the very first time at the urging

actually not only of One of my key sponsors here on iron sharpens iron

radio Mike Gadosz the founder of solid ground Christian books.

But also I got an email from my guest himself Thomas Garrett isham

when he heard that I had had an interview on one of his heroes of the

faith that he actually wrote a biography for and that was

Bishop McElvain, I believe A born -again Episcopalian is the name of that book

and I was interviewing my friend a pastor Jacob Smith of the parish

of Calvary st. George's in New York City, which is still a Biblically faithful

Episcopalian Church.

It is a low church in regard to worship and They adhere to

the 39 articles of religion and we had a wonderful conversation on my guest book.

But today we have the man himself Thomas Garrett isham who is a published author former

newspaper editor career journalist and licensed lay preacher in the Episcopal Church in the

Diocese of Western Michigan and we're gonna be addressing one of his other books today Rock of

Ages Augustus top lady the little known man behind the well -known him and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron radio Thomas Garrett isham.

Thank you.

And if you could typically when I have first time guests on the

program we Ask those guests to give a little bit about their background what was the

religion of your youth how you were raised if if there was any religion involved at all and

how our Sovereign Lord Providentially got a hold of you and drew you to himself.

I know that just because we are all saved by the same Christ to the same cross in the same

gospel does not mean that we all have identical Testimonies and stories.

I know that some folks can never recall a day when they didn't believe in Christ because they were raised in a Biblically

faithful home others have a more stark contrast in their stories on How

they came from darkness to light but tell us something about yourself.

Thomas.

Yeah, well, I'm one of the

insurer

after

high

school

while

I

went

to

college

and

I

did

the

typical drift that many people raised.

Nurtured in a church go through.

I was an

Anglican

layman.

Really I always thought that CS Lewis would have fallen under the category of evangelical Anglican, but I guess I'm wrong.

Surprising to think that because evangelicals in the u .s Read to

him.

They're probably

as big

as 50

and

in fact

he had a

grandfather who was a low church priest.

So certainly there was some family influence there that

Reverberated

in his

mind, but

anyway, he he reformed definitely reformed

and then from him.

Who's now been

a Canadian citizen for

quite a few years?

Yes, so he's the one who really I don't think

that's

right.

The 39 articles of religion are clearly reformed.

Right.

Well, how are you finding a Spiritual home in the

diocese of Western, Michigan.

What is that diocese like as far as the Episcopal Church is concerned?

Yeah, it's

actually

well the

Midwest in the

high church or in

domestic.

We're on

that

did not

benefit

in diocese.

I.

Don't know if you're familiar with my friend.

Dr. Ashley know who is now in Germany and has been for quite a number of years but

he is Canon theologian for the diocese of Western, Kansas.

Okay, I do know the name.

Yeah, I've read any of his stuff.

Oh, you've got to get his book on.

Thomas Cramner's doctrine of repentance.

You just have to get a hold of that.

Oh, I Make a note of that.

Yeah, and if I happen to find an extra copy, I will mail it to you.

But I'm gonna give our email address out right now for any of our listeners who would like to join us on the air.

It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com ch ri s a r n z

en a gmail .com.

Our topic of the day is Augustus top lady the little -known man behind the

well -known him, which is Also the title of or the subtitle of

the biography that our guest has written about Augustus top lady for the title being rock of ages and

Once again, if you'd like to join us, it's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com, please Give us at

least your first name your city and state in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA please only remain anonymous if your question involves a Personal

and private matter.

Suppose you have a question about Episcopalian ism that you'd like to ask and you don't want to draw attention

to yourself because you are Episcopalian or something of that nature, but other than

a personal and private matter, please give us your first name city and state and country of residence.

If you live outside the USA before we even go in to the discussion of Augustus top

lady, I am going to play a version of his most beloved hymn

rock of ages and This is a version by Keith Lancaster

of the a cappella company That's from his reigning God CD praise and harmony

a cappella worship.

And I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

This is my favorite rendition and After we play this we'll be Continuing our discussion with

Thomas Garrett Isham, so don't go away.

Here is rock of ages by Keith Lancaster and the a cappella company

Praise God.

Hope you enjoyed that as much as I did and Now let us come to a point in your

life Thomas Garrett Isham where you discovered and fell in love with Augustus top lady

and felt compelled to write a biography about him.

Whatever written materials I could about him and including the 900 plus

page.

Copy of the complete

works.

Oh,

definitely.

Definitely.

Okay, that's

a

evangelical

theology, but He being a scholarly type himself.

Respected admired and just loved Augustus top lady.

Is it

Augustus

top lay

an

original

his imagery?

That even is most if here and there

were data and

galleries of little old chapels of the independent and strict

Baptism.

Wow, so that

no

just in a

curiosity.

I.

Will go back to The same question I asked you about your own personal testimony in regard to

top lady.

But before I do that since you mentioned the strict Baptists.

They have a reputation and I don't want to broad brush all of the strict Baptist.

But they do have a reputation for hyper Calvinism as opposed to traditional five

-point Calvinism.

And I was just wondering has Augustus top lady to your knowledge ever been charged with that whether

rightly or wrongly.

Well, I shouldn't all right,

you know, of course.

Most Arminians will call anybody who is a genuine Calvinist.

I for Calvinist.

Well, that's that's what I was saying.

You bet.

Yeah, he's specific.

Well, what can you tell us about?

Augustus top ladies a Religion of his youth how he was raised

and so on and and the different significant landmarks in his life in regard to the

Sovereign Lord drawing him to himself and.

He.

He

would

be dead.

His mother had

several

Anglican clergymen on her side of the family.

And so there

was

that

that

influence

on the father's

side for

that.

Something's never changed.

That's I guess a centuries -old practice.

He made sure he was paid for it and they.

They forked

off his mother's family

the clergy which was too

bad.

Not all of them, but some.

But there

were some good

15 years old that year.

He entered Trinity and he entered with the

idea of preparing for Holy Orders.

He was very sick

1759.

He would have been 19 His first.

He was first published anonymously inferred

Preachers and

later on that it's funny at the hands of Wesley and he was.

Underwent this conversion.

In fact, let me read a question from a listener.

So we don't steal too much of her thunder that is related to that.

This is Jennifer in Gardnerville, Nevada.

She said I read an article some time ago about Augustus Toplady.

It touched briefly on the subject of John Wesley's persecution of Toplady.

Could you expound upon those particular events in Toplady's life?

Toplady

was

not.

Bring it

out get

it.

Toplady

dead.

And then he

signed

with him who

did a

lot

of them.

The dirty

work

so to

speak.

Wow.

Yeah, it's hard to believe if you look at.

I've got the book right by me here that collected works I mentioned over 900 pages of I think eight

-point type Pastor to the

churches

that

rector

of but yeah that

that was quite

a clay

brought

out some

Wonderful writing by Toplady that he might not have not have

done.

There goes Romans 828 again for you.

We have to go to our first break right now and I've actually sent you an email to call in to our different

Studio number because the buzzing that I mentioned before we went on the air is persisting.

Oh, so I did email you the other phone number and if you could please call that when we come back.

Hopefully we will have a better connection.

If anybody would like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name your city and state in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter don't go away.

We'll be right back with our guest Thomas Garrett Isham and more of our discussion on Augustus

Toplady.

Right after these messages from our sponsors.

Tired of box -store Christianity of doing church in a warehouse with all the trappings of a rock concert.

Do you long for a more traditional and reverent style of worship?

And how about the preaching perhaps?

You've begun to think that in -depth biblical exposition has vanished from Long Island.

Well, there's good news.

Wedding River Baptist Church exists to provide believers with a meaningful and reverent worship experience.

Featuring the systematic exposition of God's Word and this loving congregation looks forward to meeting

you.

Call them at six three one nine two nine thirty five twelve for service times six three one

nine two nine.

Thirty -five twelve or check out their website at WR BC us.

That's WRBC us.

I'm James White of Alpha Omega Ministries.

The New American Standard Bible is perfect for daily reading or in -depth study used by pastors scholars and everyday readers.

The NASB is widely embraced and trusted as a literal and readable Bible translation.

The NASB offers clarity and readability while maintaining high accuracy to the original languages Which the NASB is known for.

The NASB is available in many editions like a topical reference Bible.

Researched and prepared by biblical scholars devoted to accuracy the new topical reference Bible includes contemporary topics

relevant to today's issues.

From compacted giant print Bibles find an NASB that fits your needs very affordably at NAS Bible

Calm whichever edition you choose trust discover and enjoy the NASB for yourself today.

Go to NAS Bible calm.

That's NAS Bible calm.

Iron sharpens iron welcomes solid rock remodeling to our family of sponsors.

Serving South Central, Pennsylvania Solid rock remodeling is focused on discovering

Understanding and exceeding your expectations.

They deliver personalized project solutions with exceptional results.

Solid rock remodeling offers a full range of home renovations including kitchen and bath

remodeling decks porches.

Windows and doors.

Roof and siding and more.

For a clear detailed professional estimate.

Call this trustworthy team of problem solvers who provide superior results that stand to

the test of time.

Call solid rock remodeling at 7 1 7 6 9 7.

1981.

7 1 7 6 9 7 1981 or visit solid rock

remodeling calm that solid rock remodeling calm solid rock

remodeling Bringing new life to your home.

Hi, I'm pastor Bill Shishko inviting you to tune in to a visit to the pastor's study every Saturday

from 12 noon to 1 p .m Eastern Time on Wlie radio

www .wlie 540 a .m. .com.

We bring biblically faithful pastoral ministry to you and we invite you to visit the pastor's study by calling in

with your questions.

Our time will be lively Useful and I assure you never dull join us this Saturday at 12 noon

Eastern Time For a visit to the pastor's study because everyone needs a pastor.

Charles Haddon Spurgeon once said give yourself unto reading.

The man who never reads will never be read.

He who never quotes will never be quoted.

He will not use the thoughts of other men's brains proves He has no brains of his own.

You need to read.

Solid ground Christian books is a publisher and book distributor who takes these words of the Prince of preachers to heart.

The mission of solid ground Christian books is to bring back treasures of the past to minister to Christians in the present and

future and To publish new titles that address burning issues in the church and the world.

Since its beginning in 2001 solid ground has been committed to publish God -centered Christ exalting

books for all ages.

We invite you to go treasure hunting at solid ground books .com That's

solid ground books .com and see what priceless Literary gems from the past or

present you can unearth from solid ground.

Solid ground Christian books is honored to be a weekly sponsor of iron sharpens iron radio and.

They are the publishers of the book.

We are addressing today by our guest Thomas Garrett Isham Rock of Ages Augustus top

lady the little -known man behind the well -known him.

So go to solid ground books .com solid ground books .com To find out more information

about this book by our guest and I assume that our guest Thomas Garrett Isham is back online with us.

I'm sorry.

I had you on mute accidentally.

Oh.

Yeah, I'm here and I was correct.

This line is much better.

The buzzing is gone.

Oh Thank you.

Thank goodness.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

We have some listener questions for you.

Some more listener questions.

I should say sterling in Greensboro, North Carolina says good show

today brother.

I Top lady that are available.

I guess he must have had John

Owen as a as a hero.

Well, thank you sterling and keep spreading the word about iron sharpens iron radio in Greensboro, North

Carolina and beyond.

We have Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania who asks What have been your findings if

any as to the origin of Rock of Ages?

While you're looking I'm going to give our email address for more listeners.

It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com chris ar n z n gmail .com.

Please give us your first name your city and state in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Have you found what you're looking

for brother?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Legend.

During is

no

for that

really

happening.

It is

something

that came up some years after top lady's

death.

Now he did burn before he died, which is a he

did it.

Well, thank you Gordy.

There is a legend.

Well, it's interesting.

Something that you just said is a question of another listener.

RJ in White Plains, New York Said I have heard that top lady

burned some of the written versions of his sermons.

Which is why they there are so few available today.

Is that true?

And do you

have any idea

why he

would

burn

them?

You like

sermons?

Was he in his.

Was he in his right frame of mind when he was near that the point of death?

Yes, I would say he was.

We

have

a

listener

from

Lyndon Hearst

Long

Island.

CJ who says I know that in regard to pastors and other well

-known people who are greatly beloved today There are those that were not beloved in

their own era.

I was wondering if this was true with top lady and was his hymn Rock of Ages as

Popular when he was alive as it is today.

Okay, here we go.

A not untrue.

Well,

please tell me

please

tell

me he

was

a bachelor

when he had

this infatuation.

Yeah, he was he was but he'd written I am.

He went he went to.

Did you know if he attempted to write her a love song since he was a hymn writer.

Well, he did write her letter and then not a love song as far as I know.

But he did write letters that suggest even kind of a roundabout way of how

how much I real.

We have a main thing.

We have BB in Cumberland County who wants to know can you recommend any?

Documentary or movie about the life of top

lady?

Well, it's about time.

That's you get involved in one.

No, I'm making one.

Well, we have to go to our midway break right now.

This is a longer than normal break.

Grace life radio 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida always requires of us a 12

minute break between our two major segments.

So please be patient with us as we take this Elongated break and take advantage of this time.

Not only to write down information that our advertisers provide so that you can

Patronize them.

It's very important that our advertisers know that you who are listening

Appreciate their sponsorship of iron trip and Zion radio, so please Please patronize them

as Often as you can and whenever you can and also take this time to write in questions for our guest today.

Thomas Garrett isham.

And I'm assuming I'm pronouncing your name brother correctly.

I never asked you up until now.

Well, I.

Actually, it is I show.

Okay.

I apologize for that.

That's all right.

It's an old English name and there are people with that last name who use the

long eye.

Okay.

But our email address again is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris a r n z e n at gmail .com.

And as always, please give us at least your first name your city and state in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter,

don't go away.

God willing we will be right back after these messages with more of our guest Thomas Garrett Isham

and our discussion on Augustus top lady.

Paul wrote to the church at Galatia for am I now seeking the approval of man or of God?

Or am I trying to please man.

If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Hi, I'm Mark Lukens pastor of Providence Baptist Church.

We are a reformed Baptist Church and we hold to the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689.

We are in Norfolk, Massachusetts.

We strive to reflect Paul's mindset to be much more concerned with how God views what we say and what we do

Than how men view these things.

That's not the best recipe for popularity.

But since that wasn't the Apostles priority, it must not be ours either.

We believe by God's grace that we are called to demonstrate Love and compassion to our fellow man and to be

vessels of Christ's mercy to a lost and hurting community around us and to build Up the body of Christ in truth and

love.

If you live near Norfolk, Massachusetts.

Or plan to visit our area, please come and join us for worship and fellowship.

You can call us at 508 -528 -5750.

That's 508 -528 -5750 or go to our website to email us listen to past

sermons Worship songs or watch our TV program entitled resting in grace.

You can find us at Providence Baptist Church Ma .org that's Providence Baptist Church ma .org

or even on sermon audio .com.

Providence Baptist Church is delighted to sponsor iron sharpens iron radio.

One sure way all iron sharpens iron radio listeners can help keep my show on the air is to support my

advertisers.

I know you all use batteries every day.

So I'm urging you all from now on to exclusively use battery Depot calm for all

your battery needs.

At battery Depot calm they're changing the status quo.

They're flipping the script.

They're sticking it to the man.

In other words, they'd like to change the battery industry for good by providing an extensive inventory

of top -of -the -line batteries.

There are uniformly new dependable and affordable ordering from battery Depot calm.

Ensures you'll always get fresh out -of -the -box batteries.

You can count on to work properly at competitive prices.

Whether you need batteries for cordless phones cell phones radios PCs

laptops tablets baby monitors hearing aids smoke detectors credit card

readers digital cameras electronic cigarettes GPS's mp3 players

watches or nearly anything else you own that needs batteries go to battery Depot

Calm next -day shipping available all products protected by 30 -day guarantees and six

-month warranties call eight six six four zero three.

Thirty -seven sixty eight.

That's eight six six four zero three.

Thirty -seven sixty eight or go to battery Depot calm.

That's battery Depot calm.

Chef exclusive catering is in South Central, Pennsylvania.

Chef exclusives goal is to provide a dining experience that is sure to please any palate.

Chef Damien white of chef exclusive is a graduate of the renowned Johnson and Wales University with a degree in

culinary arts and applied science.

Chef exclusive caterings event center is newly designed with elegance and style and is available for

small office gatherings bridal showers engagement parties and rehearsal dinners.

Critics and guests alike acknowledge chef exclusives commitment to exceeding even the highest

expectations.

I know of their quality firsthand since chef exclusive catered by most recent iron sharpens iron radio

pastors luncheon for details call 717 -388 -3000.

That's 717 -388 -3000 or visit chef exclusive calm.

That's chef exclusive calm.

Are you a Christian looking to align your faith and finances then you'll want to check out thriving financial.

We're not your typical financial services provider.

We're a not -for -profit fortune 500 organization that helps our nearly 2 .4 million members be wise

with money.

We provide guidance that reflects your values so you can protect what matters most.

We help members live generously and strengthen the communities where they live work and worship.

Learn more about the thriving story by contacting me Mike Gallagher Financial consultant at

seven one seven two five four six four three three again seven one seven two five

four six four three three.

Lending faith finances and generosity.

That's the private story.

Every day at thousands of community centers high schools middle schools juvenile institutions

Coffee shops and local hangouts Long Island Youth for Christ staff and volunteers meet with young

people who need Jesus.

We are rural and urban and we are always about the message of Jesus.

Our mission is to have a noticeable spiritual impact on Long Island, New York by engaging young people in the lifelong

journey of following Christ.

Long Island Youth for Christ has been a stalwart bedrock ministry since 1959.

We have a world -class staff and a proven track record of bringing consistent love and encouragement To youths in

need all over the country and around the world.

Help honor our history by becoming a part of our future Volunteer.

Donate pray or all of the above.

For details call Long Island Youth for Christ at six three one three eight five eight three

three three.

That's six three one three eight five eight three three three.

Or visit liy fc .org.

That's liy fc .org.

Hi, I'm pastor Bill Shishko inviting you to tune in to a visit to the pastor's study every Saturday

from 12 noon to 1 p .m Eastern Time on WLIE radio

www .wlie 540 a .m.

Calm.

We bring biblically faithful pastoral ministry to you and we invite you to visit the pastor's study by calling in

with your questions.

Our time will be lively useful and I assure you never dull.

Join us this Saturday at 12 noon Eastern Time for a visit to the pastor's study because everyone needs

a pastor.

I am Chris Arns and host of iron sharpens iron radio here to tell you about an exciting offer from world

magazine My trusted source for news from a Christian perspective.

Try world at no charge for 90 days and get a free copy of r .c. Sproul's book

relationship between church and state.

I Rely on world because I trust the reporting.

I gain insight from the analysis and world provides clarity to the news stories that really Matter.

I believe you also find world to be an invaluable resource to better understand critical topics with a depth That's

simply not found in other media outlets.

Armed with this coverage world can help you to be a voice of wisdom in your family and your community.

This trial includes bi -weekly issues of world magazine on scene reporting from world radio

and the fully shareable content of world digital.

Simply visit wmg .org Forward slash iron sharpens

to get your world trial and dr. Sproul's book all free.

No obligation with no credit card required.

Visit world news group at wmg .org forward

slash iron sharpens today.

Charles Hedens Persian once said give yourself unto reading.

The man who never reads will never be read.

He who never quotes will never be quoted.

He will not use the thoughts of other men's brains proves that he has no brains of his own.

You need to read.

Solid ground Christian books is a publisher and book distributor who takes these words of the Prince of Preachers to heart.

The mission of solid ground Christian books is to bring back treasures of the past to minister to Christians in the present and

future and To publish new titles that address burning issues in the church and the world.

Since its beginning in 2001 solid ground has been committed to publish God -centered Christ exalting

books for all ages.

We invite you to go treasure hunting at solid ground books.

Calm that's solid dash ground dash books.

Calm and see what priceless Literary gems from the past or present you can unearth from solid

ground.

Solid ground Christian books is honored to be a weekly sponsor of iron sharpens iron radio.

Hi, I'm buzz Taylor frequent co -host with Chris Arnzen on iron sharpens iron radio.

I would like to introduce you to my good friends Todd and Patty Jennings at CV BBS.

Which stands for Cumberland Valley Bible book service?

Todd and Patty specialize in supplying reformed and Puritan books and Bibles at discount prices that make them

affordable to everyone.

Since.

1987 the family -owned and operated book service has sought to bring you the best available Christian books and Bibles

at the best possible prices.

Unlike other book sites they make no effort to provide every book that is available because frankly Much of what

is being printed is not worth your time.

That means you can get to the good stuff faster.

It also means that you don't have to worry about being Assaulted by the pornographic heretical and

otherwise faith insulting material promoted by the secular book vendors.

Their website is CVBBS .com.

Browse the pages at ease shop at your leisure and purchase with Confidence as Todd and Patty work

in service to you the church and to Christ.

That's Cumberland Valley Bible book service at CVBBS .com.

That's CVBBS .com.

Let Todd and Patty know that you heard about them on iron sharpens iron radio.

And you can call CVBBS .com at their toll -free number eight hundred six five six zero two three

one eight hundred six five six zero two three one they man that phone line Monday through

Friday typically between 10 a .m. Eastern Time and 4 30 p .m. Eastern

Time and if you call and you mention iron sharpens iron radio.

While ordering fifty dollars or more worth of merchandise.

You will get absolutely free of charge the book the salt of the Covenant or the biblical doctrine of

salvation written by multiple authors first published in 1908.

Reprinted with revisions by Sovereign Grace Union of London in 1932.

This is a 271 page hardback shrink -wrapped.

Retailing for $22.

You'll get it absolutely free of charge if you order $50 or more worth of merchandise

and mention Chris Arnzen and iron sharpens iron radio on top of everything.

You'll also get free shipping if you order $50 or more and mention Chris Arnzen and

iron sharpens iron radio.

So you you can't beat that.

Go to CV BBS calm.

CV BBS calm before I return to our guest and more of our discussion on

Augustus top lady the World -renowned hymn writer of Rock of Ages.

We have some other important announcements to make.

First of all we have Coming up right around the corner.

In fact next weekend we have the

The Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology.

Where I will be God willing April 27th through the 29th held at the Proclamation

Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr Pennsylvania.

The theme of the conference is the spirit of the age in the age of the spirit and the speakers.

Include my dear friend. Dr. Conrad and Bayway of Kibwata Baptist Church in Lusaka Zambia

Africa a person who I believe is the most powerful preacher alive on the planet Earth today.

Richard Phillips from The Second Presbyterian Church of Greenville, South

Carolina also a friend of mine who's been on this program a number of times.

Jonathan master who's been our guest here.

David Murray who's been our guest here and Scott Oliphant of Westminster Theological Seminary who I'm

hoping to get on the program soon.

If you would like to register for this conference go to Alliance net org.

Alliance net org click on events.

And then click on The Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology spirit of the age and age of the

spirit.

Please tell the folks at the Alliance of confessing evangelicals that you heard about them from Chris

Arnson I interpret his iron radio.

Then next month from the 29th through the 31st of May the Ministers conference

of the banner of truth will be held in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

The theme is ministers of Christ.

Speakers include Alistair Begg Johnny Gibson Mark Johnston Al Mohler David strain

and Craig Troxell.

That's the banner of truth ministers conference May 29th through the 31st on the theme

ministers of Christ.

For more information and to register go to banner of truth org.

Banner of truth org click on events and then click on US ministers conference and make sure you click

on US ministers conference because The UK ministers conference is happening as we speak.

I was watching some of it via live streaming actually earlier today.

And I hope to see many of you in the orange Sherpins iron radio audience at that conference as well because I do

intend to be there last but not least.

This is the most difficult portion of the show my least favorite portion of the show, but it is something that has to be

done.

I am here now to beg you for money.

As many of you know when the program first launched in 2005 for years

after I never once made a public appeal for a donation.

But now the times are so urgent if you really want this program to remain on the air.

We're gonna know we're going to need some additional financial support either through donations

advertising or both.

If you love the show You don't want it to disappear.

You'd like to share the mp3s the free mp3s that we provide to your

friends and loved ones.

If you are greatly edified by the guests and topics that we have on this program Then please consider

donating to iron sharpens iron radio by going to iron sharpens iron radio comm.

Click support and then click click to donate now.

That way you can donate instantly via a credit or debit card.

This is a fairly recent Update to our website where you can instantly donate.

By clicking click to donate now.

You can also mail in a check the old -fashioned way via snail mail.

Made out to iron sharpens iron radio to the address.

You will see when you click support on iron sharpens iron radio comm.

If you'd like to advertise with us Please send us an email to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris

Arnzen at gmail .com and Put advertising in the subject line, whether it's your church your

power church ministry your business your professional practice.

Such as a law firm a medical firm a chiropractic firm a dental firm, whether it's just a special event you're having.

As long as whatever it is.

You're desiring to promote is compatible with the theology we express here on this program.

I would love to help you launch an ad campaign.

You don't have to believe exactly as I do.

In fact, if there are some 39 articles Anglicans out there I would love for you to advertise with us, even though

I'm a reformed Baptist.

There is a fairly wide spectrum of folks who can advertise you just you just can't be promoting

something that militates against what we believe here in our interpretation radio and So send us that

email to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and please give us your first name

your city and state and your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, that's also the email address where you can send in a question to our guest Thomas

Garrett Isham on.

The subject we are discussing today Augusta's top lady and We

would love to take your questions at Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris ar

nze and a gmail .com.

Please give us your first name city and state and country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal private

matter.

We have let's see.

We have a Question from

Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania who wants to know in Top ladies own time.

Was he more well known as a preacher and teacher or as a hymn writer?

Yes, I've heard of her lady hunting Huntington.

And I what is the other very famous figure from history that was connected to her.

Oh.

No, I'm thinking of a preacher, but that's okay.

I know that my in fact of Mike Gadosh the founder of solid ground Christian books

I can recall in a couple of sermons him bringing up lady Huntington and I don't think it had to do with Augusta's top lady.

I had I think it had to do with another famous figure, but that's okay.

You can you can yes.

Yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah.

By the way, I just wanted to let I wanted I wanted to quickly let you know.

That.

John and Bangor Maine has let us know that George Whitfield was her personal

chaplain.

The

Moravians

did

that's

interesting.

I didn't

think

the Moravians.

Yeah.

Apparently there were some.

Well, yeah, you don't think of them.

They also led.

Their

prayers

led Wesley to

Christ when

he was on

the ship,

right

formed writers

and pretty

sure she did remain a

staunch Anglican.

He was fully committed to and convinced by the click and articles of

religion which we've mentioned the 39 articles also the prayer book and the homilies.

We Calvinist Monarch and after him, of course comes Charles the first but you

side and all of that business.

Anyway, I'm rambling on here.

No, this is a fascinating information.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who says I apologize if I missed

this earlier.

I am aware of what you have said about Augustus top lady being a Calvinist, but was he a

high churchman or low churchman?

Well in

right,

well

some of them have

the

high

element

with

a big C.

Well, yeah.

Yeah, there are in fact the high church some of that more.

Right,

right.

Yes, and he actually converted to Rome.

And Yeah, and he has one of the most repugnant.

Statements that annoys me to no end every time I hear it, which I think is a lie.

I'm not saying that he was consciously lying.

But his statement or his saying to be steeped in history is to cease to be

Protestant.

That just annoys me because I know the exact opposite is true in my life.

The more I learn of history the more I realize that I had made by God's mercy

and grace.

The right decision to leave Roman Catholicism after having been raised in it.

Yeah, I think.

That's a real stretch.

Yeah, yeah that he even tried to do that.

Yeah, the 39 articles actually openly.

Repudiate the Romish masses as idolatry.

Oh, yes.

Oh, definitely.

Yeah, and especially since back then the the mass was in Latin the 39 articles condemn.

Leading a worship service in another language

in another

tongue.

That's

right.

We are different.

Yeah, there's no question.

We have a question from Susan Margaret and Dauphin County, Pennsylvania who asks.

I completely understand that obviously and logically the extreme

left wing of Episcopalianism did not exist in top ladies day, but was there any

open hostility and tension and Debate between those from not only the

low church more Calvinistic wing of Anglicanism, but also the high church more

Oxford movement Romish side.

There

must have been different

different wings of.

Leanings.

Especially after Queen Elizabeth tried to in some way I think didn't she try to harmonize both the the Romish and the

Protestant wings.

Oh.

The Elizabethan copy.

We're gonna go to our final.

Yeah, we're gonna go to our final break right now.

And when we come back, I'd like you to give us the three at least most

significant things about top lady that our listeners should be aware of and If anybody else would like

to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com

Ch or is a RN z en at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name your city and state in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous If your question involves a

personal and private matter and don't go away.

God willing. We'll be right back with more of our guests Thomas Garrett Isham and Our topic of the

day Augustus top lady right after these messages from our sponsors.

Tired of box -store Christianity of doing church in a warehouse with all the trappings of a rock concert.

Do you long for a more traditional and reverent style of worship?

And how about the preaching?

Perhaps you've begun to think that in -depth biblical exposition has vanished from Long Island.

Well, there's good news Wedding River Baptist Church exists to provide believers with a meaningful and reverent worship

experience.

Featuring the systematic exposition of God's Word and this loving congregation looks forward to meeting you.

Call them at 6 3 1 9 2 9 35 12 for service

times 6 3 1 9 2 9 35 12 or check out their website at wrbc

.us.

That's wrbc .us.

I'm James White of Alpha Omega Ministries.

The New American Standard Bible is perfect for daily reading or in -depth study used by pastors scholars and everyday readers.

The NASB is widely embraced and trusted as a literal and readable Bible translation.

The NASB offers clarity and readability while maintaining high accuracy to the original languages.

Which the NASB is known for.

The NASB is available in many editions like a topical reference Bible.

Researched and prepared by biblical scholars devoted to accuracy.

The new topical reference Bible includes contemporary topics relevant to today's issues.

From compact to giant print Bibles find an NASB that fits your needs very affordably at nasbible

.com.

Whichever edition you choose trust discover and enjoy the NASB for yourself today.

Go to nasbible .com.

That's nasbible .com.

Iron sharpens iron welcomes solid rock remodeling to our family of sponsors.

Serving South Central, Pennsylvania Solid rock remodeling is focused on discovering

understanding and exceeding your Expectations.

They deliver personalized project solutions with exceptional results.

Solid rock remodeling offers a full range of home renovations including kitchen and bath

remodeling decks porches.

Windows and doors.

Roof and siding and more.

For a clear detailed professional estimate.

Call this trustworthy team of problem solvers who provide superior results that stand to

the test of time.

Call solid rock remodeling at seven one seven six nine seven nineteen eighty -one

seven one seven six nine seven Nineteen eighty -one or visit solid rock

remodeling calm that solid rock remodeling calm.

Solid rock remodeling bringing new life to your home.

Have you been blessed by iron sharpens iron radio?

We remain on the air because of our faithful sponsors and because of listeners like you.

There are four ways you can help.

First Do you know potential sponsors who may wish to advertise their goods or services on iron sharpens

iron radio?

Second whenever possible purchase the products or use the services that our sponsors advertise and

Then let them know that you heard about them on iron sharpens iron radio.

Thirdly, you can also donate to iron sharpens iron radio by going to our website at iron sharpens iron

radio Calm and click support at the top of the page.

But most importantly keep iron sharpens iron radio in your prayers.

We hope that iron sharpens iron radio blesses you for many years to come.

Hi, I'm pastor bill shish go inviting you to tune in to a visit to the pastor's study every Saturday

from 12 noon to 1 p .m. Eastern Time on wlie radio

www .wlie 540 a .m.

Dot -com.

We bring biblically faithful pastoral ministry to you and we invite you to visit the pastor's study by calling in

with your questions.

Our time will be lively useful and I assure you never dull.

Join us this Saturday at 12 noon Eastern Time for a visit to the pastor's study because everyone needs

a pastor.

Charles Haddon Spurgeon once said give yourself unto reading.

The man who never reads will never be read.

He who never quotes will never be quoted.

He will not use the thoughts of other men's brains proves that he has no brains of his own.

You need to read.

Solid ground Christian books is a publisher and book distributor who takes these words of the Prince of preachers to heart.

The mission of solid ground Christian books is to bring back treasures of the past to minister to Christians in the present and

future and To publish new titles that address burning issues in the church and the world.

Since its beginning in 2001 solid ground has been committed to publish God -centered Christ exalting

books for all ages.

We invite you to go treasure hunting at solid ground books .com That's

solid ground books .com and see what priceless Literary gems from the past or

present you can unearth from solid ground.

Solid ground Christian books is honored to be a weekly sponsor of iron sharpens iron radio.

And as I said earlier, they are the publishers of the book We are discussing today rock of ages Augustus top lady

the little -known man behind the well -known hymn by Thomas Garrett Isham who

until recently I was mispronouncing as isham and Thank you

very much and They are also solid ground Christian books is also the publishers for

another book by Thomas Garrett Isham a born -again Episcopalian the evangelical witness

of Charles Pettit McIlvaine and did I pronounce Bishop McIlvaine's last name correctly?

We already did a program on the subject of Bishop McIlvaine with my friend Who is

the rector of the parish of Calvary st? George's in New York City the Reverend Jacob Smith but if you could for our listeners

who missed that program give us in a summary of What that book a born -again

Episcopalian?

Is about and of course.

Who.

Bishop Charles Pettit McIlvaine was.

Yet Charles Mac

with his

brother.

I

wonder

how

often

that happens

today.

Yeah,

yeah,

right.

All right.

Yeah.

No

he

there was

a revival

because

they

thought

that Christianity

would make men

soft.

Because of a slanderous caricature that they had.

Yes,

but

it

did

causal

and he

just

yes.

I was just gonna say that we will have to have you back on the program.

Perhaps I could even have Reverend Jacob Smith co -host with me since he loved your book so much to re

-address Bishop Charles Pettit McIlvaine.

And once again, you can get the book from solid ground Christian books titled a born -again Episcopalian.

At solid -ground books .com solid -ground books .com if you have a

final word about him.

So we can move on to top lady again.

Oh.

Yeah,

well,

well,

you

can't do

it with him.

Unless we have a seance.

So we will make plans to do that when we go off the air.

I'll schedule you for another interview and we could revisit the life of Bishop Charles Pettit McIlvaine.

As far as our Topic Augustus top lady.

We have a listener in Kinross Scotland.

Murray Who says is it your understanding that top lady's death was hastened

by excessive study?

Did you say he was 26?

37 when he died.

Oh 37.

I don't know where I got 26 from.

Yeah 37.

Well, it's still very young obviously.

Yes, thank you Murray and Kinross Scotland.

Please keep listening to iron sharpens iron radio and spreading the word in Kinross Scotland and the United

Kingdom and beyond.

Now I'd like you to give those aforementioned requested.

Three

major things

about

Augustus top lady

that we

should

remember.

And he was

always

on

good

term

him

writer.

Of his other hymns in addition to Rock of Ages in the book and His

other

hymns are

worth.

Wow.

Is that

available

in

print

today?

It's a secret.

Well, you think it's time for you to give our friend Mike a doctor

call.

Yeah,

I don't know

if it's in his death it

just.

Praise God.

Yeah.

That is view.

He assured

them that

his views had not

changed and

he advised his

listeners

did not long

after.

Mm -hmm.

Top

lady

remains.

Yeah,

that's.

I don't know if

that's where my.

Dear friend who's now in eternity with Christ Al Stein had a photograph of himself taken behind a

Pulpit that was either Wesley's pulpit or in Wesley's Chapel

one of the other.

So obviously if it was in Wesley's Chapel, it may not have been original but My friend Al's this was

with Whitfield's here.

That's what I did.

I say, who did I say?

I meant with it Wesley.

Oh, I meant I actually meant George Whitfield is what I meant.

Yeah, because my friend Al Stein was one of these very rare Individuals who was

in assemblies of God pastor and bishop and yet he had become a five -point Calvinist.

Yes, they're very Arminian aren't they.

Yeah, and he had as his greatest Hero

that that was not Preaching or writing the God -breathed words

of our Savior you know as far as an uninspired for lack of a better term that his

greatest hero of of an uninspired human was

George Whitfield and he tragically was killed in a car accident

and Called home to be with the Lord, but he was truly a unique brother in Christ.

And I always enjoyed interviewing him on the old iron sharpens iron radio program.

But.

Truly amazing.

And You also Earlier on mentioned

something that I think bears repeating especially since solid ground Christian books

is in the process of trying to get enough people to pre -order

in a pre -publication Offer that they have the complete works of Thomas Manthan the 22

volume hardback set on Smythe's own on acid

-free paper.

They're trying to get this 22 volume set back into print in hardback.

The the 22 volume set that Charles Haddon Spurgeon called a mountain of sound theology

By the 17th century giant of theology Thomas Manthan.

Can you tell us again what the connection was as far as an inspiration to top lady?

Yes.

Well,

yeah

top lady

great.

Well once

again, if you

want to

find out more about

this.

Pre -publication order will you get a 22 volume set? of the

complete works of Thomas Manthan 17th century giant of theology.

Go to solid solid dash ground dash books calm solid dash ground dash books calm and put in your pre -publication

order and.

Your debit or credit card will not be charged until the books go into print.

So you don't have to worry about that.

The caveat is they need enough people.

To.

Pre -order it in order to go forward with this project because as I said, these are

hardback volumes Smythe's own on acid -free paper.

They don't want to do anything less quality in regard to this.

This.

Treasure trove of wisdom.

So go to solid -ground -books .com and find out more about that.

Let's see, we have an anonymous listener Who says I have loved ones

in the Western, Michigan area.

Can you recommend a thoroughly Calvinistic low church Anglican or Episcopalian?

Congregation.

Hmm.

And There is a PS.

I'm also looking for one in Maryland is a PS.

Yeah, well, I

well looks like you have to start one.

Yeah, yeah.

We.

Well, I'd like you before we run out of time.

Let our listeners know also about your book contramundum.

Oh.

My.

But his.

But you

borrowed the

phrase from

Athanasius.

The phrase

that is

connected

with him

against

the

world.

Oh.

GK Chesterton who was a Roman Catholic, so

In regard to political things, I'm sure that some of our listeners

who are more actively involved in politics, especially may want to look that up and By the way,

you can order most books that are offered on iron trip and Zion radio through our sponsors Cumberland Valley Bible

Book Service CV BBS comm CV for Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible book service

comm and Make sure that you mention Chris Arnzen of iron trip and Zion radio

if you order from them, and I'd like you now to have three minutes to Summarize what you most

want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners before we go off the air today.

See, I guess

I let me

write

his urge.

Yeah.

I was just gonna announce our email address one more time if anybody has time to squeeze in a question.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

We may have time for one more.

But anyway continue.

I'm sorry.

Yes, and I think that from what we have learned about Augustus Toplady and

Also Bishop McElveen and other great Anglicans of history that we have addressed on this program

Thomas Cranmer who we have addressed in previous programs with Dr. Ashley.

No.

We can use this information To I think bring biblical truth to our Episcopalian and

Anglican friends who are either lost or caught up in Roman

Catholic leanings or what -have -you.

We can steer them to the truth of the doctrines of grace by reminding us Writing them I should say of these

great men of faith who were thoroughly Anglican while being thoroughly reformed

and it well.

Once again, I want to make sure that our listeners have the website for solid ground Christian books is solid

ground books calm.

Solid ground books calm and You could look up our guests

books by just typing in Isham in the search engine for Isham.

Isham do you have any other contact information that you care to give?

Great that's solid -ground -books .com and I want you all to also mark your calendars for

tomorrow.

We have Jim Osmond returning to the program to discuss his book selling the stairway to heaven

critiquing the claims of heaven.

Tourists those who claim to have been to heaven after a a near death or

brief death experience.

Jim Osmond is going to clear up fact from fiction regarding to these reports.

So, please tune in tomorrow for that broadcast.

Also, don't forget that we have on this coming Thursday April 26th, we

have Marco Barone Who is the blogger at philosophy of the cross blog

spot comm.

He's going to be discussing his book Luther's.

Augustinian.

Theology of the cross that's this Thursday.

We're still working on finalizing this Wednesday's program, but I want to thank you so much Brother Isham

for being on the program today.

I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far far

greater Savior than you are a sinner.