Interview on BAPTISM w/ @wreckedtoreformedstudios7138

This is wrecked to reformed. Welcome back to rectal reform podcast. I'm your host Randy Atkins and we have a guest. The apologetic dog. How are you brother? Randy I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for being gracious and waiting on me.

Testimony of Salvation and God’s Providential Mercy

I was having to put the apologetic puppy to sleep baby JJ. Yeah for those of you who don't know this is Jeremiah nortier our Brother from another mother in Christ. And as his sign says it don't mean it it don't mean that.

Hey, we got to meet. What was it about a month ish ago at In Tullahoma at the Y Calvinism conference. It was so good getting to meet you and your wife in person. Yeah, it was a blessing meeting you brother and I.

We got a picture together didn't we I think so we. I try to get those selfies when I can right. Yeah, it's trippy meeting people in person that you've seen like on social media. It's just I'm you know who I met that was just I was starstruck, but I kind of couldn't believe it.

It was Todd Friel. I met at g3 cuz he's so tall. He's so intentional talking to you and his head hands are like giant mitts. So he's one. I was just talking to him just kind of nodding my head freakishly tall.

Friel. Uh-huh. I Remember when he was hosting. What was it it was. Was it the way the master or something? I remember they did a collab way back in the day him and like right come over to them. Yeah, I remember that because I was watching that kind of stuff right after I was saved but no, it was the Strange fire conference.

You remember that? Okay, so that's also where I found out about him. I was like who is this knucklehead who is hilarious and I don't know if he gave a plug or I looked up his name. And that's how I became a wretched member was him hosting the train strange fire back when I was in college.

Yeah, man, I loved it. Who were you in college? So I went to college. Oh, man. I got I got to check the memory banks on this one. It was 2011 through 2015. Okay. Okay. See I wasn't saved until Like the end of 2016 the beginning of 2017.

Wow. Yeah, praise God. Praise God indeed. I lived. Everybody who listened to this probably already heard to this. But I lived my whole life thinking that I was a Christian until God humbled me and saved me.

Oh, man. Yeah he put me in the hospital for three days and I was terrified and I knew by the grace of God that if I died in That state I would go to hell. Mmm, and so I I had a hole in my esophagus that was bleeding air into the chest cavity.

Yeah, that was scary. And I prayed didn't know what to pray how to pray. I just said, you know, Lord, please Don't let me die. God, please. Don't let me die and At the end of those three days They were gonna do like an x-ray to see where the hole was so they can go in cut it open suture it up Close it back up and they couldn't find it.

Yeah, it's gone. So that was that was the beginning of God drawing me to himself and probably six months or so later I Understood the gospel granted repentance and faith and was saved. Yeah. That's incredible.

I love hearing people's testimony, especially the ones where there's like massive Providential, you know circumstances like you're talking about. I think all Johnny Mac It wasn't his testimony, but it was his call to ministry.

That was pretty radical. I think he had a Vehicle accident and he landed on his back and was kind of looking in the sky like all right Lord I just want to be all in for you and I was I just like God takes those those trials those circumstances, but you can just see how he's redeeming the time even though the days are evil.

Like God is still right. Amen. Yeah, it was similar to What he he did to me not that it was I was in an accident or anything like that, but I Was very prideful. I was a prideful arrogant jerk and had the mouth of a sailor and Yeah, yeah, and I was chasing everything the world had to offer.

And then I remember after God saved me I was I was finally reading through the Old Testament. I'd read through the New Testament like seven eight times by that time because I was just reading whole books of the Bible, you know every day and I Wanted to know that I had that hope Of eternal life because I was terrified.

I was raised believing that you could lose your salvation. You know one has been a costal church a very liberal Baptist Church and no gospel in either one of them, you know, it's very. Of course the liberal Baptist Church was you prayed the prayer you're fine and the the one has been a coastal churches you better do better.

Justification by Faith Alone and the Covenants

No, I think well, we'll probably touch on that here in just a little bit. Because topic for today is baptism. Yeah so It was it was it was something because I turned away from all of it by the grace of God all that the world had to offer and I Was reading through the Old Testament and I got to the point in the book of Daniel where Nebuchadnezzar was humbled.

Mmm, he came back to himself. He was granted that his mind back. And his understanding returned to him and he said that God is able to humble those who walk in pride. That was me. That was me and I was you know, I think the Lord for it every day for for those three days in the hospital.

Because that's what he used to draw me to himself. Mm-hmm. Amen. Amen. I don't have Super radical experience like that. I'd tell people though, you know reformed theology does take a seemingly mundane Testimony and it makes us the sweetest thing that's ever happened because we believe it was a miracle.

Right people of the choice in theology. They can't call the the conversion experience a miracle from above. Now that's because they're trying to be consistent even though our heart screams No a radical change from deadness and sin not seeking God in the light switch coming off right even in the midst of remarkable Providence.

So, you know, what's the valley of dry bones for every one of us? Absolutely, you know, yeah, we might get to flex a little bit of our Reformed Baptist Covenant theology guns because that's the new covenant.

That's right the uttermost. That's right. That's right, I love having this conversation with my Presbyterian brothers out there. Because it's like You just don't understand the covenant. That's what they'll say to us and it's like our response is no.

We do understand the covenant that's why we're Baptists. So I will say this though. Yeah, I was jaded Towards Reformed Baptist Covenant theology and obviously Presbyterian Covenant theology because I grew up I say grew up for about eight when I was 21 Into my mid almost late 20s.

I was very dispensational with with John MacArthur's teaching and as we were talking before we started Faithful man, we love him. We differ with eschatology with him now, right? But when my it's funny because when my eschatology began to shift I was actually preparing for my debates I was reading a lot of books and there were just a few stellar arguments that just hit me different if you will.

And I remember the day I called the pastor. I started with I said Nathan I don't think I'm pre mill anymore. And you know, he said I told you that would happen and we laughed and So what that did was when my Eschatology shifted it allowed me to now hear positive cases for post millennialism thought all millennialism thought and Covenant theology because for the first time I wasn't committed to like a a leaky moderate dispensational Understanding and I read the kingdom of God by Jeffrey Johnson phenomenal book.

Very similar with how with how Rinehan talks about the covenants and going further back to the you know 1689 federalism with Nehemiah Cox and those guys and My mind just felt like it was expanded because now I Feel like I have a better grasp of how God relates to his people in terms of covenant.

So I only knew covenant theology through a Presbyterian lens because I had a lot of Presbyterian friends. Right, and I just couldn't understand the distinctions with Presbyterian and Reformed Baptist covenant theology.

And like you're getting at it's it's way different. You know, I mean, yeah We believe that the covenant made with Abraham was cut with different blood and therefore as a different covenant than the new covenant that's cut with the blood of Christ and as it.

That is the covenant of grace. So anyway when I start when a lot of these pieces started coming together I'm just like man. I can't go back after this, right? Yeah, it's it's interesting because obviously everyone from The dawn of time Adam and Eve all the way to the end of redemptive history Are all saved by faith alone.

Mm-hmm, right? I mean you go through Hebrews 11 you can't you can't just can't avoid it, but there are different covenants and Abraham was saved before the covenant and he was saved before Circumcision and he was saved long before the law.

Mm-hmm, so I've asked before with Roman Catholic who I met who actually bought my vehicle from. We were driving around and I saw his his beads on his hand and I was like What's that and I was pretty sure I knew what it was he's like, oh that's my my prayer beads.

I was like, okay Catholic he's like, yeah, and so I asked him I was like, so How does somebody have peace with God. Oh man, and he's like, I don't know hmm. You should have said who's the blessed man.

I Did I Went to Romans 4. And and and showed him that and then I asked him I was like, do you know how people in the Old Testament were saved? Mm-hmm. He's like, well, they weren't. I was like, yeah, they were it's like by faith alone.

Just like in Romans 4 and in Romans 3, you know 328 we we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from any works of the law and. That's any works at all. Because they would say well, it's it's not works of the law it's things that are pleasing to God and I'm like.

And where do you find that? Mm-hmm? They're like a lot last time and last time we checked the law. Was holy righteous and good problem is this gets back into our covenant theology that law only condemns.

Yeah, sorry to our Presbyterian brothers. It's not a different administration of the covenant of grace. It is a law that condemns because it crushes if it's not a field to perfection. Because God is holy and I'm with you.

All these historic covenants that stack are just more of a testimony against us and Galatians telling us that we need a Savior that can fulfill it perfectly exactly and then. It's like it was a really good conversation because he just sat there and listened to me preach the gospel to him for like 20 minutes while we're sitting in the in the parking lot and and then I called down there because I wanted to talk to him again and He moved back to Louisiana.

He was only here for like a week or two. So you talk about Providence that yeah God put me there. God put him there and and that The Divine appointment was was carried out according to the God's will him in but anyway so along with that we talk about Covenants we talk about circumcision.

What is it that the law can never do? So depending on how we we want to answer this the law Cannot save us, right? So, I mean we go a different few different angles, but like it's interesting how we talk about circumcision.

I don't know if you were able to listen to all of my last debate. But I brought up that Reformed Baptist Covenant theology sauce To a church of Christ that I promised she was scratching his head. Like why does he keep talking about how the new covenant is better than the old covenant in every way?

I'm right. Oh, it matters because the law new kills right? The law doesn't save us, right? Yeah, and so the the Judaizers in the early church were they fell under the the curse the anathema of Galatians chapter 1 but why was it that they fell under the curse of Galatians chapter 1 is because they Added something to the gospel.

I want to speak to that a little bit. Yeah, because Roman Catholics and the church of Christ. Sorry, if we're getting a little bit ahead, but I don't know you're good I've often said church of Christ are Roman Catholic light.

I just have less sacraments. They don't have a priest there. They don't have a full orb theology. I mean, they're full-on Pelagians like born perfect. You know, I mean. And so but they have a lot of shared response.

That's why a lot of church of Christ will just when they leave church Christ they go back to Rome essentially. I got a book plug. I want to bring up later. But when we bring James Whitewood put it they swim the Tiber.

They swim the Tiber and we're like Going the wrong direction what quoting Romans 328 and Galatians 2 16 about how we're justified by faith in Christ apart from works. What Roman Catholics and church Christ will say not by works the law and we're saying timeout.

Well, we're Paul's telling us what justifies us and you can put any kind of working principle in the the negative placeholder, so don't think that. When you put so much emphasis on The works of the law I'm over here saying that's the best kind of work that you can think of you know I mean and it still isn't going to get you in.

So the fact that you want to replace that with baptism or replace it with some other Sacrament or some other, you know participation on your part. This is why I try to explain the Church of Christ. It's not that they the Judaizers were just believing in the wrong system of religion right there.

You know, they maybe grew up under the the old covenant and they just couldn't let it go because they were used to it. No, no, no, there's something much deeper. The whole apologetic to the book of Hebrews is don't go back to the old it never could save it could never forgive sin.

Why are you neglecting such a great? Salvation in the New Covenant that saves to the uttermost and forgives all of our sin past present and future. Not just your past sins and I have to emphasize that to the Church of Christ because that's what they believe.

They believe their baptism is a reset. Jesus wipes your slate clean and now it's up to you. Back to zero and then it's just up to you to repent every time you sin. But here's the thing the Judaizers were not just going back to the wrong system of thought.

It's they were trying to add Their works now they were specifically works of the law. But I try to tell the Church Christ by your working participation in baptism in principle. You are trying to go back to the Old Covenant that only condemns that baptism that you think is Washing away your past sins by your own efforts that will be used as a witness against you on the day of judgment.

Yeah, because you're not trusting in Christ. It's right, you know, you're whenever anybody adds anything to the gospel. They have a motive. It's a self-righteous motive. You know, they and you have the.

You have the Ceremonial People who they like the sacerdotal stuff so they they actually like These things whether it's Roman Catholicism with the priesthood and and all their you know ceremonies and things like that or You have Those who are religious obviously we see this all the time.

You got Mormons you have Church of Christ. You have Jehovah's Witnesses you have all these people who who who like the ceremonies? But the reason that they like the ceremonies is because they believe that they save them.

That they justify them and scripture does not allow it. It leaves no room for any of that and then obviously. They have Acts 2 38. Which I'm glad that you brought up in your opening statement. Yeah. Context is king.

Sometimes that's what that says back there, right? Yeah. But now I have to I have to leave up the it don't mean that because I mean it I'll read I'll read Romans 5 1 like you've alluded to that. Therefore we've been justified by faith.

Right and they'll be like it don't mean that I'm like, okay. We gotta we gotta go the distance here and define our terms. I see. Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure and I love love Romans 5. Because usually I'll go to Romans 5 or both justification but then also The federal headship of Adam and then Christ, you know all in Adam die.

Mm-hmm all in Christ are made alive. And and that's that's our only hope is is Christ what he accomplished on the cross his life his death his burial resurrection. And who he is. Hmm. I always try to mention that because then you have the people who.

They they're like, oh, yeah, I believe in all that. But do you believe in who he is? Hmm. Well, he was a good man. Nope, you've missed it completely. He's God in human flesh if you deny the Trinity. Now I always tell people it's like you can be confused on the Trinity.

Yeah, but the moment you deny it you're denying parts of the gospel. Mm-hmm. So I want to piggyback on that. Yeah, you got to meet Keith Foskey at the conference. I did. I did. Yeah. Yeah, so credible man had lunch.

Baptismal Regeneration, Trinity, and Early Church Fathers

Yeah, man. He's so he's organically funny like that's who he is. And that's what's awesome. So got to meet him too and he had me on his channel to talk about Lutherans their understanding of baptismal regeneration you know in the Church of Christ because he's like Jeremiah and I might need some help with this because I Can kind of understand the mindset of why Church of Christ or a cult?

It's kind of a baptismal Justification mindset having your passings remitted in the water. That's what they'll say you contact the blood of Christ and the watery graves of baptism. And he's like, what do you do with Lutherans?

And I told Keith I was like look. This is actually a really difficult question that I've spent a lot of time talking through. And I was challenged to think through this because I've debated Lutherans on baptism.

You know, I mean, yeah, and this is and it goes back to a point. You just made like with the trend you can't be informed of the Trinity and deny it and be saved. However, you can affirm the Trinity be confused and definitely your articulation about it could be all over the place.

But in your heart, you're not denying it. That's actually my upbring. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church we rarely said the word Trinity, but I knew it was reality didn't understand it the Illustration was a man a single man can be a father son and brother and that's kind of like the Trinity and we know that's.

You know, that's heretical, right? That's like it's like water. No, that's modalism. That's here. No. Yeah, I start thinking that's modalism Patrick. Yeah, how dare you Patrick? So when it comes to justification by faith alone The Lutherans will hearken that to the rooftops going all the back to Martin Luther himself.

Praise God used Martin Luther mightily in church history out of the darkness light, you know. Out of the darkness of Rome was that gospel light that justification by faith apart from works? Yeah, what I told Keith was Lutherans seem to try to hold two things that don't work together.

Yeah, and I think they have a busted view of the covenants and so forth but they in one hand will hold to justification by faith alone and they'll try to hold to baptism or Regeneration right and I'm saying those things can't but with the Lutherans I do see a lot of their doctrine reflecting a lot of the early church fathers and you know being reformed Baptist I don't think the early church were Identically reformed Baptist today.

I think they were working through a lot of things I think justification by faith alone and solo scripture is Embedded in the early church fathers and the debate rages on with Roman Catholics on those things, right?

But I don't think they had the balance of view of baptism yet, even though there was a lot of Baptism by immersion going on. I think they are trying to make heads or tails about what's going on with with baptism.

In what way is it sanctifying and sure they they thought that that was maybe identical with being born again. We would say that's impossible because we have a an anthropology that hates God, you know, right?

So I'm very charitable when it comes to the early church in Lutherans because I don't think they I think as long as you don't deny justification by faith alone. Then you can be in kind of a realm of merciful inconsistency.

But there are a number of groups that fundamentally deny justification by faith alone. Roman Catholicism since Trent denies sola gratia and sola fide and I'm like, okay you did that to yourself so when we look at We'll just say saints of history that come before Trent Very gracious towards them because they're not a part of that era that Anathematized in my mind the only gospel that can save right?

So that's how and then the Church of Christ Well along with the other cults will go straight to James to to say Oh, you see this is the only time that faith alone is mentioned and it says not and I'm like, okay.

Well context is King. We gotta go explain what's being discussed there, but it does that make sense? I think as long as you don't deny Sola fide and there's maybe merciful inconsistencies or confusion.

I'm not willing to boot someone out of the kingdom. It's but when they carry that hard denial fully informed of what we're meaning then to me you've committed that Galatian one Harrison. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's Usually my answer with with Lutherans and this was brought up on the post I made About baptism if you believe that baptism saves you you're not saved and and that is a like that the context of that was responding to Church of Christ friend of mine his mom was on the phone and and was on speakerphone and she was talking to somebody and They were complaining about somebody Not living right and they were baptized and I was like that's because baptism doesn't save you and that went into a debate between me and them over the phone and and me trying to preach the gospel to them, but.

Why Baptism Does Not Justify or Save

Yeah, they kept. They can I encourage I encourage you with something? Yeah. Yeah. So what I like to say is baptism does not justify us. Because when we say baptism doesn't save because I agree with you because that's what we're already meaning by saves.

Yeah, what they want to immediately do is say well you're denying First Peter 3 21 and Mark 16 16 now. There's a whole context and but what I've noticed is they can't tell me I'm wrong when I say baptism doesn't justify us the closest verse that they will push is I think it's 1st Corinthians 6 11 you you have you were washed right?

Right. You were sanctified Justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ by the work of the Holy Spirit. And so there's an assumption with wash there. I'm over here like look Titus 3 5 1st Corinthians 6 11.

You're gonna make your case that wash always means a wet immersion in baptism, right? Oh, that's that's something that gets the conversation in the direction that I want to go is saying baptism never justifies a person.

Yeah, and and there's there was it was kind of clickbaity. Mm-hmm the way. Oh, I see the way that I said it. Because sometimes you got to draw them out of the woodwork, oh, you're right. But the reason why I did that is It's because I was talking with Church of Christ and I wanted to see How many people was gonna comment on it and the biggest response was I guess all the Lutherans are out and I'm thinking Well, not all of them.

We've got a lot of them. Yes. Because it's case-by-case. Yeah, it is case-by-case it is person by person and if they go consistent in Martin Luther's inconsistency. Then they're not saved if they're trusting in their baptism.

They don't know the Lord. Yeah, no, that's a great point because I forget the Latin of what we're getting into it's either the work working. Like you're talking about the X Oper a operato, I cannot remember the Latin but it gets into this fundamental distinction.

Are you trusting in the sacrament itself to do the work? Or is it the person's trust that we would come along say in the finished work of Christ? Well You know the the timing of when I remember Calvin and his commentaries.

He was he was pretty gracious with people being regenerated before during or after baptism. Now I'm not Presbyterian so I don't have to agree with Calvin on that. I think it's painfully obvious and this goes back to our view of the Covenant that You you have to profess faith in Christ in order to receive the sign of the new covenant that oh By the way is better than the sign of the Old Covenant so to be regeneration.

Definitionally like to be people. Roman Catholics can point me to everyone they want to in church history and I value church history. But I tell people The church has been sanctified Over time and I'm all for simple reform on I can look back and always find the true gospel that's always saved but we I I say we see growth we see reform and things are getting refined and that's.

Yeah, yeah, I don't wanna get all preachy. Oh, no. No, you're good. That's that's good stuff. I I talked to a friend of mine All the time about this kind of stuff. When he he complains about all the the division and everything because some people do divide.

With others obviously on eschatology on baptism when they shouldn't, you know, Presbyterian Reformed Baptist. But Our job isn't to Divide over secondary tertiary issues if they fall into those categories Church of Christ baptism Does not fall into those categories so we divide with the cults.

But like I was telling them I was like When you look back at the early church. You see a lot of problems when you read Galatians, you see a lot of problems and I mean There are probably churches like Galatia I'm sorry, first Corinthians the church in Corinth.

That say Galatians, I guess I did why Galatia had its issues too. I mean, I'm you're right with both. All right, but. Then you look down through church history and you see these things being refined. I mean we had Baptists being drowned.

Right, yeah, and we had I cannot remember his name but he was down in the terror hole when Martin Luther was nearby and he knew about it because He believed what the Bible said about baptism and so he didn't have his children baptized and so they put him in a hole for like six or seven years until he died and.

So we're seeing these things being refined we're even seeing you know what I see as a great refining in eschatology where you have this push. Eschatology matters and it does it's not what you divide over unless they go where into the heresy of full preterism.

And and that's really where we divide but you have people that have very strong opinions and they don't know how to have their opinions and not divide. Mmm. You've been through that. Yeah, I try to encourage people to learn This this under have this understanding of theological triage meaning that not everything is a first-tier gospel issue like the Independent fundamental Baptist a lot of those that you disagree with them on one point and then you're out.

You're out you're kicked out of the kingdom Church Christ are like that a lot and I've noticed it's the heavy legalistic groups that are that Fundamentalism where everything is a first-tier issue. I've tried to explain like this.

What I believe is first here is you gotta believe in the right Jesus and you got to receive the right Jesus the way that He prescribed and kind of backing up in the conversation a little bit. You gotta believe that Jesus is the second person of the triune God who took on flesh and is the God man.

That's kind of first step. And by the way full preterist will redefine Jesus no longer being the God man. So I tell people yes this this heresy has Redefined everything in Christianity. Yeah, but for sure and then and then receiving the right Jesus the way that he prescribed.

My mind is equally important with believing the right Jesus, which is by faith apart from your works. Yeah, so you can tell me you believe in the Trinity all day long but if you're if you are talking about the necessity of your baptism or talking about the necessity of a Sacrament or your working participation in any way you have committed the Galatian one heresy.

Even if you're trying to tell me well, I'm not doing works of the Mosaic law. I'm like you are doing exactly what the Judaizers are doing even though they were doing it with the the law of Moses you in principle are No longer holding to this law gospel distinction.

You're obliterating that and you're making the gospel law and that's really the fundamental problem that the Judaizers were having. When Jesus talks about you can't put old wine in new wineskins. He is not talking about just the Old Covenant he's talking about the perversion of The the Mosaic law in the Old Covenant that is legalism.

Trying to mix that with the new gospel covenant and they're incompatible, right? They don't work. So I'm just saying the Pharisees of old. Especially of Second Temple Jews. They got that wrong and all the the works righteous Religions of the world and the cults are doing that kind of same Galatian one heresy and that's why when you see my debates I wore for definitions of terms and yeah tell people don't like that because I'm not gonna if you I'm not gonna let them define terms.

I understand if I don't define these biblical terms the enemy will. So I will spend all the necessary time defining terms and then being consistent with those terms when we go to proof texts. Always looking at context, right?

Amen. Yeah, it's it's it's really really really important. Were you were you able to watch my last debate that I had with the Church of Christ minister on baptism? I think that was the one that I was I Listened to your opening statement.

I hadn't gotten all the way through it. Because it's been a very busy busy. Oh, yeah. Well, I was gonna say I won't spoil you just look forward to the cross-acts. I just want to let you know. Okay, but you may remember.

So a lot of people don't understand why I'm going so like in my opening statement the the thesis I should say is was written water baptism is Necessary for our justification before God a lot of people scratch their head and think why doesn't Jeremiah go to acts 238 and the baptismal proof text to negate.

You know the the affirmative because I'm saying this debate no one realizes it but is about justification. Right. Yep. The affirmative is gonna go all to the proof text. They're gonna beg the question.

They're gonna come up with their own definition of baptism and and just kind of redefine everything. So for me, there's kind of two parts. You maybe remember this in my opening statement I defined six terms and then I went to a parable.

Do you remember which one it was? Trying to think of it it was the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. Yes. Yes, because that gets to the heart of the disagreement everyone so what Baptist and Church Christ have historically done is they've gotten in.

You know bickering matches over acts 238 in the proof text you're not gonna make much headway. He's gonna have a good point over here. He's gonna have a good point and they're just gonna disagree disagree disagree.

But what are the things already being assumed in acts 238? Well a bias from the Church Christ and Roman Catholics are. Some kind of works are okay to participate in for your justification before God and I'm over here saying okay if we hold the faith alone and we're gonna be consistent with what Genesis 15 6 said with what Jesus taught on in the Gospels and what Paul preaches on through the book of Romans Galatians and We see demonstrate in the book of Acts.

Well, there's more fundamental issues afoot and so in my six definitions and I try to encourage people if you can Understand these six terms this will help you for most of the heavy lifting when you go to any proof text in these kind of Conversations I said you got to understand faith works justification sanctification Baptism and the word obedience or obey.

Yes, when you understand how those words relate to each other, but are different they all have different semantic. No domain. Faith is not works. Yes, you can't ultimately separate them. But they must be distinguished and then the same thing with justification sanctification.

If you understand that well that acts 238 is not a big not a big deal. No, there there are more nuanced points. But you're equipped to understand that a repentant faith is what justifies you before God and now we are called to obey in sanctifying works to a command to demonstrate our faith to the world to give glory to God and so, you know, I got accused in my debate of allowing my Systematic and biblical theology to override the proof text and I'm like, dude You got to define terms and when you walk away with the conclusion you better believe that better be consistent in light of everything else and.

Yeah, one thing that I I always point out is what happened directly before acts 238. Mm-hmm. They were cut to the heart they listened to the Peter preach the gospel. Yeah. Yeah yeah, so I mean when you see and There's there's two two things that where they were cut to the heart.

There was The three thousand and then there was the people who didn't Believe right in in chapter eight. I believe it was when Stephen was preaching of the book of Acts and. And So Peter preaches the gospel, but what kind of response?