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It's it's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and biases in another religion

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I think that what's fascinating your raise your razor -sharp on your your your criticism of Islam here

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Yeah, and but what I find fascinating Jeff is that you recognize that with other religions

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But you don't do it with your own because I that may be the case And there's that confirmation by coming up again

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Apologetics live to answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries

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We are live apologetics live here to answer your most challenging questions you have about God and the

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Just remember one thing. I don't know is a perfectly good answer I didn't say

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I'd give you a satisfactory one. I just said I would answer it with that Let me bring in my co -host from open -air theology, which we are also streaming on Mr.

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Tom Shepard from open -air theology. Welcome. Hello. How you doing Andrew? Glad to be here.

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Oh, look The Bigfoot hillbilly is here. He hops Addison. He says Yeah Yeah He's if there ever was a

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Bigfoot hillbilly that that's it right there that would yeah He is proof that Bigfoot exists.

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Yeah, you know, I bet There there's probably a movie on on that that subject, you know,

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I wish I wish we had a movie buff that would just You know You know

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Well, thanks for inviting me on and we are also streaming on on his feed as well at the watch well

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Podcast another good podcast to be found Although we should talk about the fact that out of the three of us did make it into the into the the big brackets there the the

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Dead man walking every year has these brackets and he had the three of our podcasts in there

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Now now, you know Parker you put up a good fight.

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You had some great videos against the Ezra Institute But you came up a little short it came up short, you know,

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I will say I was very proud of the race we ran We we had them there for a while.

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We were It was like kind of going back and forth, you know they were they were up I think like 53 % and we were at 47 and we came back and then we were up by a couple percent and then we were tied for a while at 5050 and that was with you know 300 votes in and then they and then you know as it as it kind of got closer to the end they they took off and then they were up 10 % but I was just glad that we were able to compete we rallied the the the twits on X the on Twitter.

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We rallied the troops and and And and more than that. It was just a lot of fun

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Yeah, and open -air theology was well, but at least I mean

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Parker you can at least you you you lost To a manly podcast though, right?

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That's right I heard you guys lost to women which means you can't be reformed, right? Let me let me just say that Egalitarianism is running rampant.

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It's rampant. I mean they're infiltrating Podcasts even now there, you know,

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I don't know if you notice but there are quite a few women podcasts now that are actually entered into the contest most of them lost

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But a bright heart podcast whooped us like they will be a matter of fact It was 69 % to 31

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I will say I will say it's super interesting that that that you brought that up Tom because there was a comment on the on The podcast bracket and this guy was actually serious and he said feminism

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Will remain in the reformed Christian space on social media while they will while Female podcasters are allowed in the bracket and I was like, dude, you got to stop taking yourself.

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So seriously I'll tell you, you know, what the interesting thing is is the open -air theology We created a a cigar smoking video and it basically had a video and in the first one starts out with the

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SBC And it's a woman smoking a cigar. I think we're we're we're getting in trouble there with that But we go all the way through the reform

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Baptist and everything What's you know who's smoking a cigar and all that but so funny I'm hoping I'm hoping that that video might put us through through one of the other prizes perhaps the

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Patriarchy cigar company. I'm hoping to win that Yeah Well, let me put up let me put up a picture of the

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Of the bracket here if I can This is some folks if you want to go out and check it out. You can go to if you're on X It is if you go to on X.

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It's real DMW podcasts that stands for dead man walking real dead man walking

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Podcast these are the brackets. It's I know it's hard to read. You're gonna just have to go to the website

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And so, you know some some may be wondering where our other co -host is here

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Tom And and let me just put up his comment and you'll see why Drew's no longer here. He said I voted for Jeremy of the

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Ana money. He voted against my rap report podcast voted for the

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Ana money Which was the closest At least the first day, but he then tried to recover and say he voted for apologetics live

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So I actually have two podcasts in in here And so both did make it to the second round.

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I was a little nervous with the Ana money It was pretty close But these folks every day is a new voting

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So yeah, what you see here is listed day four down here. That's what is going on right now

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So you can go out and vote and I'm gonna give you and we're gonna get into Colossians 2 8 don't worry

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That is the topic for today and we're gonna be answering your you know

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We're gonna be answering your your questions that you have. Oh look Drew's trying to save himself now.

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He wants to come back on the show Theology throwdown today. That's another one of the

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Christian podcast community Podcast we actually have a number of podcasts in the

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Christian podcast community that are in here apologetic live Matter of theology the court the

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Caleb Gordon podcast who's who is Caleb's awesome. He's a rock star, man Yeah, if he hasn't joined yet, he's he's he is part of the he's becoming part of the network of our community

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Did it K with Justin Peters my rap report podcast squirrel chatter. He made it to the next round second round Religionless Christianity reformed rookie was so close.

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Mm -hmm. It was like less than a percent That's I think the closest one right now, but he lost that Matt slick live lost in the first round I think

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Matt never got the email that I sent out that said he was in the in the run It was in the podcast bracket theology throwdown

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That's up today It was really hard. I had to choose between truth spresso and Doctrine matters.

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They were both up against each other and truth be known Is in there he's thoroughly equipped with Melissa Lex and then two more

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Christian podcast communities podcasts that were against each other was Truthful of parent versus street talk theology that will go with our brother

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Aaron though and man Oh, he's all the time. I actually I actually

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Voted street talk theology at first to do the underdog and then realized he wasn't the underdog

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Can I take my phone back? Oh, no, so every day go vote now, I gotta let you know

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Folks, I'm calling out an audible now. I need your help because yes This Saturday.

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I'm going up against the king. Mr. The king of our millennial ism the one who has won this

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Contest in the past. Mr. Freight Doug Harbor Freight Doug Wilson Keith Foskey of the your

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Calvinist podcast and I am gonna need every Vote out there to get past Keith Foskey Of course

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Keith didn't make it last year passed a round against James White because James bowed out

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Because he figured he won this already. So why I think if you want my personal opinion

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I think that there was some some greasing of the palms going on last year And I think that there was some money exchanged behind behind closed doors

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I don't know how fair that is, but James White bowing out two years in a row I mean I get it this year.

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He wanted a smaller podcast, but to Keith I Buy it. I just don't buy it, but he did he did go on all the way

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At all I'm just gonna say this, you know, I I did reach out to James I Said, you know, could you please give me a shout -out for a vote for the rap report over Keith Foskey on Saturday now if anyone doesn't know the way

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Keith and Ames know each other James needed it was was really hungry and Keith ran out and got a hamburger for him and came to his

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Hotel room knocked on the door opens the door was just like he hands him the the bag and he's just kind of said it outside so James like do you want to come in?

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He's like, yeah, and he just sat there in silence watching James eat the burger. That's hilarious Funny that that James had to teach him how to how to wear a bowtie as well

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Well, he did he did but so here's the thing you so I said, I I know I know I have about as much chance of winning against him as I did against you

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But let's at least make it fun if possible, please. I said, I'll even bring you a burger to your

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His response was yeah, I'm staying out of this this year Right, I really tried

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That's so funny So so we do ask folks if you if you want to go to the on X go to the dead man walking podcast

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You can find it at real real DMW podcast so that is his handle go there and be voting every day.

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He does it every day except Sunday So it's a new vote every day except Sunday and Saturday.

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I will be needing your vote big -time Because yeah, it's gonna be a tough if I can make it past this round You'll go far.

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I mean you have a chance with apologetics live to against you know, we have another You have another who are we going against?

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So apologetics live will be tomorrow against theology applied Okay, so I'd really like to see you know,

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I mean I got some good ideas there you know If it's me against haunted cosmos to the winners from last year, you know

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I forget if it was haunted cosmos or Kings car It was it was the same guy. I think it was the same guy that was in both

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They were either first or second. So I won't I won't win against them. I'm sure but I Might be at least have some fun with it

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Absolutely, maybe maybe they'll be haunted that year. Yeah. Yeah, maybe they'll get spooked out of it.

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That's right You guys were talking about Bigfoot at the beginning, right haunted cosmos

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You know So so some of the things that we we could talk about and I know you know

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You guys probably watched the Super Bowl. I I kept with my tradition of not watching it

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I've actually watched the Super Bowl II sort of once I I Watched it because our church would have this

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Super Bowl part and I know you can't say Super Bowl. Sorry big game Superbowl is copyrighted.

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They're gonna flag me The they we would have a you know, go to some a house one person in church had a big house and everyone that was really interested in watching the game would watch it in high -definition and Me and one of the

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Deacons who had no interest in the game were in another room so we could just talk Privately but the TV was on in standard def

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And we both at one point looked at each other and realized oh There's a five -second delay because we're like the

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TV's just on so we're kind of watching it and we're hearing when they're cheering like five seconds after our play Or booing so we start like actually watching it just so we could cheer and boo at the plays until the other room knows

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That we haven't Once they told us like will you guys stop it?

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You're ruining it for us because now they're eating it So like all of a sudden there's a timeout like we he and I are doing hand signals and like to cheer or to boo

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And so it was like we would like there'd be a timeout. We're like, yes And then the other rooms like all anticipating son.

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It's like timeout And so once we we got them where they realized that we were now throwing them off It was it was like two minutes before the end of the game

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And I did not know in football that the the two -minute warning is actually like 20 minutes later before the game's over I thought two minutes was like two minutes, right?

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Um, so there's like this two -minute warning and I literally run into the other room and I'm thinking like what's the most bizarre thing?

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I could come up with I run in the room. Did you see that? The guy intercepted the ball ran it all the way back tied it up and they wanted in a field goal in overtime 20 minutes later.

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That's what happened. That's insane Buddy's like you ruined the game. You're not allowed to eat back at the party anymore to Blake.

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It's a five -second delay There's no way I could have guessed that I mean at least there is a timestamp on football

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I mean baseball could just keep on going. Yeah Which they're trying to change the last

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I heard I don't know I didn't watch the football either this year again as well

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But I did hear about the halftime show the whole he gets us thing the whole yeah

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Yeah, that's what I want to talk about. Yeah, I didn't see it, but I did predict I did put a poll out on X You knew they were gonna do something.

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Oh, yeah, I asked I said, how you know, it was like I gotta go look and see what the percentage was It was a large percent of people that knew that it was going to happen that I said

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Okay, are they gonna give some Marxist talk about Christianity needing to be more Marxist and sure enough they did

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Did either of you see that? He gets us campaign Marxism No, I I did not see this one

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Okay, did you see it Parker? Yeah, I saw it but it I Really wasn't paying attention.

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So you did if you if you're playing it again, or I don't I don't know what your plan is I wouldn't be I had no intention of playing a period.

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Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna play it. I Think it really ties along with what you're gonna be talking about in collages to eight talking about cultural cringe

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Christianity a social gospel and how Worldliness has just gotten in the whole theme of it.

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You know, he gets us is basically an idea where God just gets us as we are and he's basically and again going to dismiss our sin

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Because he gets us, you know, he's just all loving all tolerant You can live any way that you want to live

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Christ gets us God gets us, you know, so then that's their premise and it's basically a false gospel leaving people right to hell yeah, and and you know, the thing is they do it under the guise of of Christianity and that's the thing that I think is so You know that we're gonna get into later in the show is the fact that what you see and and you know

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Megan Basham I've had her on my apart my rapper for podcast talking about her book Shepherds for sale and and she nails it the fact that what you have is the

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Marxists are buying They're buying Christian Big Eva types to promote their you know, they're they're

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Marxism it is interesting the the he gets us I have yet to find out

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Who is behind it? They're really really secretive about that and it's like oh we want to be anonymous

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No, it's probably George Soros and you don't want to admit it You know

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Russian. Have you googled that? There well when they first started we I did I tried looking into it and they were

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It was something that they just you couldn't find out who is behind it They were like, oh, we don't want it to be about who's behind the campaign.

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We want it to be you know It's about Jesus and and yet everything they teach about is is not about Jesus.

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So It's something that And we'll talk about the the empty deception

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So I I don't mean to cut you off Andrew, but there was I actually

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I didn't want to speak before I confirmed I just looked it up here. It says The he gets us ad campaign is primarily driven by a nonprofit organization called come near Which took over the campaign in early 2024 prior to this

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It was operated by the servant foundation or yeah, the servant foundation also known as the signatory Come near is led by CEO Ken Caldwell and it has connections to the billionaire family behind Hobby Lobby interesting

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That's interesting. That is interesting now, but I wonder who else might be behind like I wonder who started it and yeah

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I'm not I'm not sure when I did my original I remembered my original research last year. I Remembered looking up and getting to Hobby Lobby but then after that it was kind of cloak and behind the scenes in the shadows like you were saying and you can always have people who are

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You can have people who don't want their name known Right. I mean my my uncle owned the

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LA Rams, but he was he he didn't want his name out there So even though he was an owner, it was someone else that who who is seen as the owner, you know yeah, they both had partnership in it, but Hmm, you know now now we know how you had that huge library of yours.

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Yeah, well You know, it's well, I maybe I could find the photo of the when the

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LA Rams won the Super Bowl I got a photo of my of my you know, my uncle's house of the the trophy but You know, it's funny you mentioned about the library.

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And so I actually had a book not that That I pulled from the shelf just because this is the neat thing of having a library you inherit from others

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And you know, I'm selling my my library right now and maybe you'll start see you see books Week -to -week changing behind me because as I'm keep selling them.

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I'm moving things around So if anyone wants to get some good used Christian books, just go to my

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Facebook wall Just Andrew rapper on Facebook find me and I got all my books out there and just DM me what you want

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But this is really neat I got this book from a pastor who had his after he passed away his wife called me and asked asked if I'd come by the office and I didn't go to the church, but I you know,

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I knew him and Basically in in his before he passed away.

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He told his wife that if he passes away He wanted me to inherit his library because he knew the books would get put to use

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So one of the books that I had that I was able to return to the family was I have a book from John MacArthur's Father Jack MacArthur and I returned that to the to John MacArthur's family

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That was when I didn't just sell or give away. I I figured it'd be best to keep that one in in the family

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It had notes in there, but this is kind of neat. I sometimes you get things like this. I got this this is from December 25

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Christmas 1996 this book was given as a gift from a daughter to her father

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Before I was born Two years before I was born and she's just like dear daddy

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I am I am not only giving this book as a Christmas gift

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But also as a gift of appreciation for the many things that you have done for me over the years of my child life

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I know I haven't appreciated the things that you have that you did for me many times

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But I realize now that it was done for my own good

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I also thank you for allowing me to have a Christian mother to guide and and direct me in my daily

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Christian life I understand from mother that this book is one of the many books that you would like to have

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For your own. I pray that this book will give you many spiritual blessings as you read it and study

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Yours truly. Sorry your daughter Trudy and I can't read the last name

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That's amazing It's that's the neat thing when I look at some of the books that I have on the shelf that I've gotten from I mean

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I got some books from the from the 40s. Mm -hmm. You know, it's just kind of neat my wife and I went into Dallas This is a

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I don't know years ago into a half -price books and there was a pilgrims progress in there

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For $5 and I went and I got it It was the first year that they actually came out with colored illustrations for pilgrims progress

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Wow We opened it up and very something so it was similar It was a Sunday school teacher that had given this book to to this little girl and it had a little note

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You know just reading through the the pilgrims progress and I've misplaced the book I don't know where it is now, but I mean stuff like that is just amazing

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It's so neat to see so, you know Parker doesn't understand this because he only understands movies, which I don't understand

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That's kind of true Not so yeah, you know you're studying the the the confessions and all right you're you're

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So folks, I mean you Parker does, you know podcasts about movies and all but and he definitely knows the pop culture

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But he's also trying to memorize like early Confessions. Hmm.

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How about you guys try that? I don't know about that. Let's not do that Yeah, no,

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I I've got a lot of friends I've met a lot of you know, interesting people and people that have become good friends the last let's say what do you say

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Andrew maybe a last year between you and Keith Foskey and Greg Moore Corey wing and Cody fields from Westminster effects podcast doxology podcast and Yeah, there's a there's a good mix of Baptists and Presbyterians and all kinds of different people.

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So I'm actually going back and trying to learn the intricacies of you know, the 1689

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London Baptist and the Westminster and and trying to figure out, you know, who's right so I can be on the winning team

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Well, I can tell you who's right. Yeah Everybody has an opinion on who's right

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Let me just let me make it easier for you, okay, if you want to know who's right, okay

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Oh boy, there we go. There we go right over here. What do we believe? There's the confession that you need to have

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Okay, if you want to be right Forget the Westminster forget 1689. What do we believe by Andrew Rappaport?

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Go get yours For That hey look,

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I'm I told someone earlier this week They they were they they had said they don't like certain but they don't like the labels

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The label, you know because labels are so misunderstood and he's like I'm getting away from using the term

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Reformed because it's just it's becoming such a bad label. Like everyone's just attacking and not understanding

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I said, well, that's why I always go by the label report Ian ISM Right. I'm a rapper for it.

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So, you know By the way, I did get that book. I received that with the Bible.

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I didn't he surprised me with that book So, thank you very much. I just know it matter of fact a couple hours ago and realize that Wow.

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Hey, thank you very much. I Got a book by Andrew Rappaport. Yeah, that's that's a gift that I'm giving to everyone who's who buys books from my library

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I'm just giving them a copy of what do we believe is a gift? So an incentive and actually I got a shelf that has brand new books have not been read

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No markings in them at all that if anyone spends over $250 they get that so So, yeah so let's talk about Just one more thing before you get into Colossians 289 folks if you have questions

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There's two things you could do if you have questions. You'd like us to answer you can if you're watching on X or YouTube you could put those into the chat and we can answer them

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The other thing that I'd encourage you to do even better would be to join us go to apologetics live .com

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You just scroll down till you see a little duck icon for StreamYard Click that allow your browser to use your microphone and camera if you don't want to be on camera

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That's fine Just give access and you can there's a way you can just stop the camera and just use the audio

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But come on in and ask questions is much better that way And by the way, I should have mentioned from the beginning anyone who's who watched last week

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We did have a guy that was very vocal in the chat You know basically telling us that he claimed to be an atheist that he was he could disprove

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Christianity using Catholicism If you guys remember the end of the show last week,

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I I did dare him. I challenged him I double -dog dared him to come on in here this week

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Tom do you see him backstage? He did not show up he might have gotten raptured

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I don't know Yeah, yeah Saying yes, he was vocal.

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Yeah, he was very vocal He was a very vocal keyboard warrior saying he could demolish us.

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I love these guys that could demolish us, but don't come in here Yeah, look, you know,

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I don't know about Tom or Parker. I'm a little fuzzball. I mean, I'm not so bad You know

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Right Vocal as he was

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I mean it was a loving challenge. You're welcome to come on. Let's talk about this And yeah, he's nowhere to be found.

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Yeah, like in his chops, right? Yeah, I look Greg Morse dead man walking podcast thinks it's the funniest thing that I Actually like it when people come in I know when they're ready to debate me on a subject and I don't even know

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I'm doing A debate that night. Yeah, I think that's fun. Well, I don't know what it is about That's so messed up But I think that's a fun thing

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I think that's a that's a place that Most christians should strive to get to because that means that you really know the word and you can you can stand on the word well

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Well, you know, I get asked a lot not that you're like this perfect, you know I didn't mean it that way.

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I just know that's a good goal, you know a good Be ready always to answer me and to ask you the reason of the hope that is within you

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Yeah, and it does challenge us when when we have that we have to be ready and you know

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I'm asked often like how do we how do you prepare? I mean, how do you prepare for a debate when you're not prepared for a debate?

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and You know, the thing is is that There's two areas that I study and when haps did had a class he he was had a school

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He was trying to start up their pet called passing the torch and I I taught I guess the last class That's what you get for inviting me as a teacher.

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I teach the class and and it's getting the school closes but I I was on it was on, uh, you know a debate and apologetics and debate

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And there's two areas that I study if i'm when that happens. It's hermeneutics

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And it's logic now. Yeah. Yes. James white. He'll say Early church history and original languages, but I would say the early language the languages of part of hermeneutics and but Really if you if you know how to interpret the scripture whenever they code a scripture

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All you got to do is back up a couple verses And start reading what it actually says and that's usually all you have to do

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Yeah, and then well and and keep a good faith mindset Well, yeah, that's you know,

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I suggest or exegesis over eisegesis, right correct, but it's all but you're right with the you know we also have to have

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You know, and I just recorded a podcast. Um Uh, he's the reformed reagan, but I I forget the name of his podcast.

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He's in the in the um, uh providential perspective he's in the uh, he

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He's in the bracket I think today Um, and so I just recorded with him on this subject of how do you how do you deal with our differences on secondary issues and not

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Get nasty with one another and it's really we have to recognize that we're all wrong in our theology somewhere

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I mean, I don't know where i'm wrong You know, yes Sister tara's right there, but you put up context as key

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Um, but also logic knowing logic you don't have to know all of the logical fallacies But and and you can take the class that I that I offered you can go to striving fraternities youtube channel and it's there

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Uh, you can watch it for free. It's only like eight classes. So kind of quick and You know,

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I walk through so you can identify When there's a bad logical argument being made you don't have to know what fallacy it is

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But if you can and there's I think I teach that in just one or two classes of identifying Well a good logical statement and a bad one

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You know, and so if you know that You you you can point that out.

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I mean and folks think about this like we do apologetics live Not just to do apologetics to show apologetics

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And so you'll see me do that when people come in and debate i'll just point out Hey, this is this is a logical fallacy because actually the opening of the show we did was with jeff

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Who who was a professing atheist, right? And he couldn't recognize his own atheism

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He he couldn't write he could point out that I could point out errors in Other religions, but he didn't recognize in his own

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He had to finally admit that might be my confirmation bias because I was pointing that out earlier in that show so You know, this is a thing we do apologetics

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Yeah, so You're gonna say sometime no, i'm sorry I was I was commenting on okay

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Good. All right. So let's before we get into uh Colossians 2 -8.

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I I want to bring up one thing of pop culture Which which parker's going andrew is going to talk about culture

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Well, i'm kind of nervous because I wasn't prepared. You didn't prepare me for this. So I don't even know if I know Oh, actually i'm ready for this.

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No, but here's the thing. I do want to talk about and this is going to tie into Colossians 2 -8

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I want to talk about kanye west Hmm You know when kanye west came out and professed to be a christian and There's so many people wanted it to be true

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Yeah, and what happened a lot was people, you know,

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I was one of myself and and justin peters justin peters actually got off of Uh x well,

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I guess it was twitter back then he got off of twitter because The backlash that he got because he's got a larger account than I do

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So he got a lot more backlash than I did and I got the backlash too. I just couldn't I could care less But his justin's wife couldn't stand seeing the backlash he got because both of us were saying hey

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Let's hold up a minute before we say kanye is a brother in christ Yeah, give it some time because you see so many of these people that they just make a profession

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And especially my concern with kanye was he's doing these sunday services Well, if he's a new believer, he shouldn't be doing things like that, right?

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and then on top of that You know, he's selling an album a christian album and he's selling

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Christian t -shirts and people are spending all this money Yeah, like okay. He was on the verge of bankruptcy and he just he just cashed in on a new

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A new group of people that would give him a new audience and and a lot of christians being global Like yeah, i'll eat that up gobble gobble gobble and you know,

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I think Like You know, you could look at the different things already that would vindicate the concern that I had and justin had

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But i'll just tell you after this what past week or so when I heard about the grammys,

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I didn't see it Thankfully, but I heard that his his his wife that he paraded had walked up to the cameras had a mink coat on and Purposely like waited to turns her shoulder.

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They said and just drops her coat in a A completely mesh See -through dress so she basically completely nude

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My understanding was that all the the cameras had to blur it out for tv This is not a christian man folks, right

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Well, and I think too andrews that the whole idea that christians Think that god needs help by bringing a celebrity a well -known celebrity as if Oh, well here here it is.

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We have somebody that's been changed for christ and he's got great celebrity status He's going to be able to to reach people from all over the world because of his status

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And it's like they want to hold on to that and so they want to quickly affirm somebody that has made a profession of faith without without making a

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You know looking at him, you know, who is he associating himself with td jakes and all these other people

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And it's like well, hold on for a second. You know, what does the bible say? you know about uh, what a what a true follower of christ is and and I think you know, god doesn't need help by By converting a and praise god if he did

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But but the whole idea what's the motive behind christianity wanting to say? Yes.

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He's a believer, you know Yeah, when he professed to be a believer I had a guy uh, he's he wasn't a member of our church his wife was and I was

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I was pastoring there and but he knew kanye personally he used to do Recordings with him many many years ago before kanye became well known

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And even this guy who thinks he's a christian. He's an unbeliever a very social justice warrior He and I would talk about it all the time um but we

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You know, he even recognized that kanye Should not be doing what he's doing.

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You know, he even he he had Uh called kanye and told him, you know, if you're now a christian you should be getting out of the limelight right

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And and it was interesting because I I had made a comment and he actually told kanye the comment

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He he said, you know You know my and he referred to me I guess as my as his pastor, but he said my you know, my pastor

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You know had said that you should be You know getting discipled because that's really what

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I think he needed to do if he really was saved what he should do is Go attend, you know a church be discipled under someone.

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There's another guy now an actor. So this would be where You know Parker, you'll probably you know,

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I don't I don't remember the the guy's name, but there's an actor now who recently got baptized Denzel washington doesn't know washington and what did he get baptized like orthodox?

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I'm, not sure it was but I mean they've already ordained him as a minister of the gospel. Yeah, just crazy stuff

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Well, I mean the other one is russell brand Hmm, I don't even know who russell brand is. Yeah.

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So russell brand is um more of a comedic actor He was real into I think i'm almost positive.

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He was more into like the new age kind of stuff and um And I saw a video floating around on social media where russell brand was on stage talking to the pastor

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And there were like one or two points that he made that I was like that's that's not accurate You know, that's not that's not biblical.

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Um, and so I think and and and if i'm, you know being honest I don't think he it was in terms of russell brand.

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I don't think he was Intentionally distorting anything. I just think no differently than anybody else when you become

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A new believer. You just don't know a lot of things and and communications is even even more difficult than you even imagine.

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So uh on certain, you know doctrine or whatever, so I think he was just accidentally um

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Distorting or there there was no malicious intent, but that goes back to what you said tom That's why you know you see when when somebody goes from unbelief to belief and chooses faith

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And I know somebody's probably going to rake me over the cold for saying chooses faith I don't mean it that way. I just mean when they go from unbelief.

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Do you want to be removed from that reform podcast bracket? Because you're lost now your true colors are coming out

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Um There you can kind of smell the humility on somebody and a lot of these celebrities you can just kind of tell that there's not a lot there's still that pride of you know, they're in the limelight and Um, so I guess you know my my co -host and I my co -host name's nick

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He's my cousin and we talk about that We talked about this quite a bit on our podcast where if a select if a christian sees a celebrity claim christ

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Their response should be okay And and then after that it should be exactly what andrew said, you know time time will tell you know, and yeah, you know if you if you show up to the grammys and you you you make a pornographic stunt out of your wife

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Yeah, the writing's on the wall Yeah, and and Luke correct me here.

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Uh, denzel washington was part of the church of christ. So I think it was church of god in christ

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Is it okay? Yeah church of god in christ. It's a christ depending on the group could is is

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The international church of christ is a cult Uh believes baptism saves and so that becomes a big thing drew.

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I saw that too. Yeah, joe joe So the reason sorry, I don't mean to cut you off andrew, but let me one of the comments.

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Yeah Yeah, so there was a there was a podcast I think and russell brand was seen was seen um holding joe boots mission of god

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Read the comment that you're responding joe joe boot. I think is a typo here So joe boot has been uh has been trying to reach out to russell brand to disciple him since brand read the book mission of god

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But hasn't heard back. So yes, thank you for reminding us about that. I forgot but yes russell brand read mission of god

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And was talking about it on a podcast So I did I did hear about that too And that that was drew vanita who should be in here, but isn't you know, he's he's watching

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You know, I mean what kind of co -host is this I mean just because he didn't build for the rap report he's so russell russell brand was like at hotels like like baptizing people in the pools and it's just it's just It I don't

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I don't necessarily think it's a great look. Yeah Mike michael says, uh, i've heard kanye post porn on x2.

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I I did hear on daily wire. I was I heard that all right, so Before we get to colossians 2 -8, let me bring we have someone backstage i'm going to bring melissa in you got a question for us tonight

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Yeah, hi melissa. Can you hear me? Nope, we can't hear you at all. Just kidding Okay, um,

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I have a question. Uh, I was wondering is um Eastern orthodox and anglican are they christians or does it depend on a person or church or where?

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Well Eastern orthodox is really hard. So when I was writing my book, what do we believe?

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What do they believe which is where I was trying to go through different religions? I did deal with catholicism and one of the ones

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I was going to pick up was eastern orthodox And I was always going to pick up buddhism and hinduism when

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I started with the buddhism And I realized you really can't systematize it because there's no set authority

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Same with hinduism. So I moved to eastern orthodox and found the very same thing. It's a very uh more mystical belief system, it's hard to You know,

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I I would put it in the same category of catholicism. It's it's they they kind of split from one another and the the orthodox was more into icons and You know, they would say like looking at the icons and the that's why they have all the stained glass the beautiful churches

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They where the catholics have venerate the saints The orthodox venerate icons and so it's it's a distraction from the bible

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Uh, so I think if anybody is saved within them It is not because of their doctrine

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That they're saved They're they're saved in spite of their doctrine Right.

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I I don't think with the orthodox doctrine At least my understanding, you know where you have to be baptized to be saved where you you have to almost worship icons

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That's not the same gospel message Right, so I I would probably add, you know

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We know that a person is saved by grace alone through faith alone in christ alone

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And so if we change that Yeah, if we if we change that and the object of our salvation if we are adding a little bit of you know

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Some of christ to a little bit of our works that yes, we need to hold to and believe in the personal work of christ

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But then we also need to add Water baptism or we need to add going to church or we need to be able to continue

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To do these works to keep our salvation As if the work that christ did on the cross wasn't sufficient enough to save us

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And so when we add anything else to the gospel, we're believing in a false gospel and so Typically the the eastern orthodox churches would add something to the gospel

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And so like andrew said if there is somebody in that church there, maybe perhaps they are trusting in christ alone for eternal life

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But they're not adhering to what their system teaches So and and god and I honestly believe that if they are truly god's elect truly god's people that god will bring them out of that too

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Yeah Is it the same with anglicans So that's a little different in I mean

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Like there are anglicans. So All right. So the history of the anglican church Was really because you had a king that wanted to have a male offspring and He had a wife that couldn't produce

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Children, and so he wanted to divorce her and marry someone else. Okay, that's really what it comes down to Uh, and so the church would not allow him to divorce to marry, uh, oh

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I forget her name Uh, but but he wanted to he wanted to marry this other woman

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So he could have children and what ended up happening was he just he split from the catholic church and created his own religion

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And that's why in the united kingdom The king or queen are is the head of the church instead of the pope uh, the king took that position and Uh, thank you drew drew is saying and annabelle lynne and that that is her name

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Uh, and and she had a sister and so what ended up happening was is that uh, anbel

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I think it was annabelle in I want to say mary, but I forget but but one of them he married he so he splits he

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Removes england from the catholic church. And so they're very they were very catholic like but without the the

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Church magisterium being the in charge. It was the government that became in charge and so He became the head of the church

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And the irony was he ends up doing all that to only not have any male children from her.

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He ends up marrying her sister And you know, I think her sister is the one that produced a male heir but it it uh the it's very

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It's it's close to catholicism, but there was some reform You know when they left the catholic church, there's a lot of reform that went on.

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So there are anglican groups Uh both in the uk and and more so those that came here to america

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Where they they were formed to have a more biblical message. So jc ryle, for example, jc ryle would be one.

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Yeah Yeah So, yeah, so yeah, and and i'm trying to think there's a preacher a well -known preacher is it yousef

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Uh that is anglican. I forget there's a well -known. Uh, preacher who's was he at fight left beast andrew

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No, I I don't know anyone from Fight left beast that was anglican. Okay, a lot of them are just very high churchy very high, you know

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Looking the part and stuff like that again. What is the object of their faith? Who is

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From England, I think that's that they said that he's sound teacher by anglican.

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I think he is a black man I don't know how to say that. Sorry so, uh

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Seven foot apologist. Are we both trying to put up the same one? I'll put it up He says j .i

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packer was anglican no, I think he was yeah, I think so. Yeah, and uh, you know just a uh, seven foot apologist says i'm gonna put a different comment he puts up And say who he is in a moment, but seven foot apologist says

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Do the eo believe in that salvation could be lost? I I think they do

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I I don't want to say definitely because i'm I I just it's been a long time since i've studied eastern orthodoxy

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But I I believe so dan that you know because because they would they got that from the catholicism that the

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The it you know in catholicism is the church that saves you so you can lose that you you have to keep earning it back

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I think when they replaced it with the government, it's a similar thing and that can be a a false understanding of of what?

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Uh a misunderstanding of how god saves us and that it would be inconsistent So while somebody could be ignorant of of the full truth, you know when you first become a believer

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You're not going to understand the order of salvation you're not going to understand tulip you're not going to understand how

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Total privacy unconditional election limited atonement errors. You're not going to understand those things until later so just because We think you know, we just have a misunderstanding um of of that how

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I All a new believer thinks is they came to christ. They made a decision to follow christ

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And so it's just inconsistent and I think over time as they're discipled that's why it's so important to get into a good church

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Yeah, yeah, I agree Discipled rightly, you know and and drew says, uh, you know, he's giving a hard time not being here

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He says hey i'm taking care of the babies at the moment. Well, he says that and you know

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The thing is that you know, I put up a comment from seven foot apologist. That's dan craft He's one of the speakers at at striving fraternity

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You guys have seen him if you're regulars at apologetics live because he's come here several times But he says we lurk because we have to run for to dinner in a few minutes

48:46

Um when you're seven foot tall dan, you don't lurk anywhere I'm, sorry, dude

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I I don't know He's he's he makes he makes everybody look short it's it's well,

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I mean I saw them aren't known for their ability to lurk I his feet were huge.

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I mean they were like skis in the picture that Very very quiet.

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Yeah, that's what he says. He says i'm very very quiet The size 19 shoe

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I bet yeah when you can stuff shack I guess, you know, you can't be very very quiet. Sorry So melissa does that answer your questions for tonight?

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Um, yeah, just one more eyes one more denomination. Um, Uh, what about you do you know about lutheranism like what

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I you think like they're christian or what Again, it depends.

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I know it's not a very good answer. Yeah, I know On which group? I mean you have you have some lutherans that are that that are solidly saved

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And you you have many who are very liberal Yeah, okay, and I think I think when

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I first When I first became a christian and started learning about different denominations

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I I was basically under the impression like lutherans were so liberal none of them were saved and then I started meeting some

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And I oh, okay. Um Oh, I I his name. I just escaped me pirate radio

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Uh, chris roseborough I hate this getting old stuff guys um Chris roseborough is a christian.

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Well one that I watch is I I think he is a christian I'm, not sure his name.

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He's saying the guy that does lutheran satire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah, he he does a lot of videos for keith foskey.

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Yeah, and and and right now, you know, we Until after saturday, we can't mention keith's name, you know

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Saturday vote against keith. You got just you know Anybody associated with keith?

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Yeah Yeah until after maybe maybe it's gonna take till monday for the the wounds to to rub off by the way

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I will say if anybody on x goes and follows cory wing um

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He was in the in the bracket um and he he he was

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You know, i'm i'm just gonna put my pitch in here. I I know that uh You know as one of the sponsors parker you you have to be

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You know non -bias and and and give a vote here, but i'm just gonna say that um

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I I really think that When I look at the brackets man, cory in his video when he lost um

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That was classic. So so in it was I think he was in day one, right? Yeah, he's the first day and um

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He's he's got the civically minded podcast And it was hysterical

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And he he kept doing these videos and why you should vote for him over over whoever he was going against It was actually eschatology matters, which makes it even more funny

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Which is part which and he's part of that. He's part of that. Yeah network. Yeah, that's right and so you just his his

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Lost the after he loses was great. He's got black eyes He's got blood coming out of his mouth and he's like, oh

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My mother always taught me that if you get into a good fight, make sure the other guy knows he's been in a fight

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You know, he's like, I mean he he did he did makeup He gave us an irish accent

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So if you haven't seen the video, you gotta go watch it. Everybody needs to go watch that video. Go follow cory

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Yeah, you can follow cory If you if you have trouble finding him go to the dead man walking when you go to vote and and you can find it

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There. Yeah, it's at civically minded. It's c i v e c E c c l y

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My e c c l y. Yeah Yeah, see if if you join the podcast community instead of you know

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Eschatology matters I I would have helped him to say. Yeah, you can't have a podcast name that you got to spell out every time

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I know well, it's it's civics and ecclesiology. I think yeah what he's going for. I know.

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Hey, let me let me point out What what the seven foot apologist said here? He was talking about, you know, it really read it.

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Yeah, let's go. Sure Let's go ahead and put it up. Yeah, we always got to put the comments up for the audio Here's the long and short of it.

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There are some baptists who are christians some presbyterians some methodists, etc Salvation is not denominational membership

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It's it's an election And so when you think about that The the whole the whole premise of it is there that salvation comes to individuals.

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Yeah and everything What is the object? What are they believing it? What are they trusting it? And if they're trusting in anything other than the person and work of christ alone

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Then they they're believing in a false gospel. So but here here's the thing though. There are denominations

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Typically there are churches that teach right doctrine And so you want to be able to be under the authority of those elders under the teaching of qualified Men who teach the bible biblically what salvation is?

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How does a person become wise into salvation and all those things and that way we know that we're not going to be veering off into some crazy doctrine that think that I need to add something else to my

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To the object of my salvation which which is christ the personal work of christ alone Yeah, and so That I think that's the issue.

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It's a personal salvation. How can I? Be reconciled to the father If if the answer is anything less or anything other than christ alone then i'm believing in something wrong

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And so what it is is that you have People who could be saved

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I knew A girl in college who I think was saved and she still went to the catholic church out of You know out of like what she thought was honoring her parents

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You have to recognize that she was saved because she started reading the bible

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So she was saved in spite of catholic doctrine not because of it and that's the thing we always have to remember

55:10

Amen, so does that answer your questions there melissa? That's very good. Good answer. Thank you.

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Thank you All right put you backstage by the way, uh dan let you know his shoe size there that you asked earlier his big feet size 21 shoes

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Yeah You don't even need to buy flippers when you go swimming Well, the problem is the the problem actually is when you have shoes that big they're all custom made

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They're all custom made. That's right. Yeah um All right, let's dig into some scripture

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Uh and and because this is And folks i'm just going to encourage you guys as we look into the scripture before we jump into the text just uh

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If you guys don't mind sharing this out on the social media wherever you are um

55:59

So that folks will find us here. You can always find us here thursdaynightsapologeticslive .com

56:06

But want to give a shout out because we're also streaming on open air theology. It's a good podcast

56:11

Well, it's not a podcast yet. It's a youtube channel, but they they're uh, they do lives every uh, saturday night

56:18

So it's good to go check them out And then watch well podcast which another good podcast and a good channel

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We're streaming there as well as as parker crashed into our our our feed here, which we appreciate um

56:34

Yeah on on x it's at real parker brown Yeah I I really thought according to greg.

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He told me i'm supposed to look for you know The or it was a part is a greg or keith that told me to just look up the feet of the real fetus

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I'll tell you what do you do you do you know the story behind that? I'm curious so uh, we were we were going back and forth me and keith and like ribbing each other

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And and he hit me with an ageist joke is what it was. So he just started calling me fetus because i'm so much younger

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Which I also think you know, like I think that means that i'm more beautiful too, you know more handsome ruggedly handsome

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Because you know he your own mind i'm younger so it kind of follows with the whole beauty idea, right, you know

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He's getting old And and but he keeps calling me fetus because i'm so young so well

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Let me just put it this way you somebody somebody in his comment section. Uh I'm i'm not an expert on the uh,

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I should be because i've had two kids and we've got one on the way actually But uh the stages of development, you know, like like the fetal stage and then

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Like somebody was like upgrade or downgrade to zygote and it was getting wild in his

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In his comment section because all of his all the people in his comment section call me fetus now too, which is hilarious

57:58

Well, you know i'm just gonna say this, you know You may want to think twice about insulting him too much because he does have three different black belts

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But you know dan Just you know just wants to let you know that fetus means young wrinkly blind and weak fair enough

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I don't know if it's exactly but at the very least I have my whole life ahead of me and they don't

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Well, they still do it's just not Left We will get to heaven before you probably probabilistically that's true

58:37

I mean you think about it in 20 years I mean You're gonna be doing podcasts and neither andrew and I aren't gonna be around Well, I don't want to think about that You know,

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I don't remember the day when I was podcasting with I hate to tell you.

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I hate to tell you in 20 years. I'm gonna be 53 years old. There's still be younger. Well I'm 56.

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So see that you'll be my age I'll be your age and i'll be able to look at the podcasters that you know

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I'll probably be with christ went before and be able to reminisce on the apologetic live episode

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The one episode that I was allowed to be on you're you're always welcome. You're always welcome So, let's let's read some scripture this second say, uh, this is

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I keep saying second, this is colossians 2 8 Yes And I I should

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I should say i'm going to be preaching that this uh a week from sunday at caleb gordon's church um

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Which should we see how caleb's preparing for me coming down? You guys you guys want to see how caleb's preparing

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I I I've seen one but go ahead and show it Cover your eyes. Yeah.

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Yeah, this is this is caleb preparing, you know, he he he You know parker.

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I don't know if you know he he um, he he doubted me and um He just he he wanted to he said that you know sure if I come down there

01:00:04

He would be willing to do a cold plunge. So I made sure I sent a cold plunge down And so this is him in a cold.

01:00:11

I'm not going to play the audio because oh Okay, I guess it's just going to do that. Let's see Okay, we're wrapping around can you see it?

01:00:18

Yeah, so there there he is getting into the cold plunge He's gonna attempt to 10 seconds, come on caleb, look at look how excited he is for this if there's snow

01:00:29

Punches there get it big dog. Get it big dog singing in it

01:00:35

So there he is that's him preparing for the head dunk the head And so if you guys want to come to the conference just go to caleb

01:00:42

Caleb gordon .org caleb gordon .org To god be the glory he is singing in cold plunge.

01:00:55

He's actually a good singer, but he's not right there His voice was was was a tad bit.

01:01:02

Uh, yeah, he's he's hating life, but he's he's yet to break a minute

01:01:07

And uh, but hey for anyone who doubts he walked barefoot in the snow into the cold plunge

01:01:16

So, uh, he's oh I heard that there was a there was a bet or a challenge rolling around with uh, greg

01:01:25

With greg's gonna get in there i'd like to see that. I I heard you mentioned greg about this thing and I didn't hear anything else, but I heard a mention of it

01:01:37

Supposed to be there. Oh, okay. I'm but But folks all you guys that are regular listeners here.

01:01:44

You remember when when tom said he was gonna come And he would do the cold plunge if bringing scalp let your yes be yes your no be no

01:01:55

It's like oh I gotta I got to be in california I i'm gonna be i'm gonna be in california from the first through the 10th and I have a wife

01:02:06

So I was okay. So i'm glad you brought that up because I was gonna say somebody's either Somebody's got to be dying or it's your anniversary

01:02:14

All right, or you just have a wife That is not gonna let me go

01:02:20

You can bring your wife to oklahoma Because and you would need to so she can witness you doing a cold plunge.

01:02:27

Yeah, absolutely So I it's just I don't it's probably not gonna happen We have we have too much going on and I thought

01:02:35

I was going to be able to pull it off but so Word for someone like that. Oh my gosh

01:02:41

Is there a word for someone that? I would say I would can I use a phrase?

01:02:47

Sure faithful husband Hey Husband could bring his wife to the conference.

01:02:58

I thought I thought there was gonna be a movie quote in there Yeah, not on the couch

01:03:07

All right, so let's take a look this is colossians 2 2 8 reading out of the new american standard bible

01:03:16

See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy

01:03:24

And the empty deception According to the tradition of men according to the empty principles of the world rather than according to christ

01:03:35

This really does help us. I I think when we talk about you know apologetics

01:03:42

Because if we think about This so much of the apologetics that the things we already talked about whether it be kanye west or the he gets us

01:03:51

What what is the he gets us campaign other than? Philosophy and empty deceptions of the traditions of men the empty principles of the world and we can get into what each of those things mean

01:04:02

But right isn't that I mean, what's social justice? That's that's the the tradition of the the world's religion.

01:04:08

Sure, right? Something that seems right unto man Yeah, it's it's the would we could we say it's maybe the you know, social justice is the the religious uh the religious

01:04:22

Ceremony or or doctrine of marxism of the religion of marxism. Sure Yeah, you could probably say that.

01:04:29

Yeah, you know It's it's religious drapings. That would be a good word Right, definitely a secular world view what what what is the way that we can just be

01:04:39

Uh that that's all accepting all tolerant, you know that everybody's equal everybody's in the same boat god he gets us and that's the

01:04:48

I guess that's the flaw right because In accepting everybody if there's a dissenting opinion, you don't like you're not tolerant to that so like it is self -refuting right because In the attempt to include everyone

01:05:07

You exclude some Well, no, it's just christianity excluded fair enough, right?

01:05:14

Absolutely. That is true. That's yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, but The the the self -reputation still exists and that's why

01:05:21

I always say, you know quote that uh, I'm getting known for is the fact that we now live in a culture where the truth doesn't matter the narrative matters

01:05:30

Right and the truth is subjective too. Wouldn't you believe say they would say world?

01:05:35

Yeah, they they would say it's subjective because when they've given up god In their attempt to giving up god they gave up absolutes they have to because If if you believe in absolutes and you say there is no god

01:05:49

What is the source of the absolutes if not god and why care about what other people think? Yeah So when you even say that it's uh, man -centered then

01:05:59

Yeah. Yeah, so it's it's Drew how's it going, man?

01:06:05

So parker this is the other co -host who must have put his babies to bed. Oh nice. Nice to meet you.

01:06:11

Howdy Hi, they are all asleep. Yes And i'm sure i'm sure that they're all sleeping on you're my pillow that each one of them have stolen over the year

01:06:23

Yep, so the between the three -year -old and the five -year -old they're on each side of the bed

01:06:29

And then when we get done here i've got to then take them and put them in their bed Because they won't go sleep in their bed on their own

01:06:37

I've got to wait for them to fall asleep in our bed then pick them up and carry them to their bed you gotta you gotta train them better, but But I now it'll be a good time to mention because they they each have a my pillow because they steal them from daddy

01:06:48

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01:07:10

Go and do that. Yeah, and then you you don't know how bad it is. Okay, so in the middle of the night They'll get up and they'll come into our room because they want to get back in our bed and my son

01:07:21

Will grab my pillow and he'll wake me up and he'll go daddy get off my pillow

01:07:27

And then he'll take it from me Because it's his my pillow. Yeah, it is now.

01:07:33

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01:07:47

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01:07:54

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01:08:00

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01:08:17

No children in bed. How about you come in here and say that to my face? I'll say that to your face

01:08:23

There he is They sleep in their bed you sleep in your bed Yeah, you know none of this none of this stuff what what's what's going on here aaron

01:08:33

Unbelievable these days you're having any trouble if you're having any trouble

01:08:38

Um with strife in your household with your children may I recommend aaron's new book quit?

01:08:44

How to end family strife for good It is available. You can you can find it at striving for turning .org.

01:08:51

It's there in the store So, uh, but yeah, I think since I know the author why don't

01:08:56

I just give him a call whenever we have strife You will On that note andrew, you know when you're talking about empty

01:09:04

Empty deceit, you know, it talks about a dis uh, a a teaching that sounds good

01:09:10

But it's kind of empty so kind of in the way that you put your child to sleep sounds good in your bed

01:09:17

And then you move them over Ha ha ha Well direction this is going to i'm gonna move down here

01:09:26

Or you could or it's like getting you know giving uh, you know All the speakers a free bag of coffee at a conference and you got a guy like aaron who's just empty and doesn't

01:09:35

Doesn't drink good coffee. He doesn't You know, that's true We don't appreciate

01:09:41

I love the smell of it. I love the smell of it, but empty. It's just taste is not the same

01:09:49

Yeah, who do we have here? I don't know real parker brown that's I don't know you

01:09:59

With the watch well Podcast he does he covers movies and things like that.

01:10:04

Nice And am bruster is one of the speakers at striving for eternity he also has his own ministry called evermind ministries and his podcast that is in the

01:10:15

Bracket is truth. Love parent. He does have another podcast called the celebration of god, which is an evergreen podcast

01:10:22

It's uh something that goes through the christian calendar and looks at the christian holidays and gives it a biblical perspective

01:10:29

So if i'm not mistaken, I think I voted for you Did you? Yeah, I was gonna say speaking of the bracket i'm concerned i'm behind it's a

01:10:39

I'm at 42 percent in street talk theology, which is a little unfair because isn't street talk theology one of ours

01:10:45

It we have two we have two of our podcasts that are up against each other The other guy andrew and aaron.

01:10:53

I actually I actually thought I I I assumed because your podcast is is a pretty

01:10:59

Well known big podcast. So I kind of figured let me throw a bone to street talk theology

01:11:06

Yeah I ended up after I voted thinking I was voting for the underdog and I and I was ready to put a thing saying

01:11:12

Hey, I you know, this was tough, but I voted for the underdog Oops well

01:11:19

Now there's still if you're listening you can go on to x there's still 13 According to this 13 hours and 49 minutes left that you can vote

01:11:27

You can go on to x you can find the dead men walking podcast at real dmw

01:11:33

Mw podcast And you can go there and you can vote for this fourth round for it's the first round, but it's the fourth day of it

01:11:41

And you can find truth. Love parent and if you don't vote for anything else vote for truth. Love parent, right?

01:11:47

Aaron, so what were you the were you the underdog? No, i'm currently behind because it currently is yeah, so 42 to 58

01:11:55

Aaron, you can get you can get andrew back because he's going up against foskey here pretty soon

01:12:02

He needs all the votes he can get I did I did balance it out because I do have the christian podcast community twitter feed

01:12:08

So I forgot about that. So I actually went in and balanced it out by voting for truth. Love parent on that one

01:12:14

So I wiped myself out Canceled your own vote

01:12:21

I did that. I did that was a very jewish thing to do for some reason. I don't know why

01:12:28

So, yes, uh That was that was tough and you can't say I mean look you're going up against dominic gramadi

01:12:35

Um, the the reality is dominic's not even on x he he was like he goes What is this thing that this twitter bracket thing?

01:12:43

I don't know. I'm not on x Can I can you help me set up an x account? And so I was he we never did

01:12:49

But but here's my here's my thought Like a lot of these podcasts I haven't heard about right?

01:12:55

But the ones I know I go in there I vote for them and then the ones I don't like oftentimes There's there's a they're head to head and i'm like I haven't heard of these

01:13:02

So then what I do is that being a biblical counselor? There is a lot of psychology in what I do not like that I use in therapy or anything like that But just you learn to think how other people think right?

01:13:13

And I can pretty much call uh Who's ahead or who's behind?

01:13:19

Based off of two things one if i've heard of it, they're probably ahead Um, because I don't know most of them.

01:13:25

So that's an easy one, but two I can judge it by the name And i'm I like you and you deliberately if I don't know them i'll deliberately vote for the underdog

01:13:34

Or sometimes i'll just vote for the name that I like. So with like street with uh street talk theology um versus truth love parent i'm like Oh, there's gonna be a lot of people who are in that parenting phase who are just gonna want to go with the one

01:13:47

You know, I just I get it. I I understand it. I I I really I was you know But I get it, you know,

01:13:54

I mean Dominic, you know, he went to jail for 20 years You're you know, people are afraid to go up and he's a crime boss.

01:14:00

I mean, yeah, they don't want to vote against him End up with uh cement shoes at the bottom, you know, that's how it goes.

01:14:09

Yeah, that's right Yeah, he still won't he he still won't tell the stories. We'll put him in jail

01:14:15

He told me You don't want to know andrew you don't know Andrew knows but he won't say it publicly, but he won't get you one on one.

01:14:24

He'll get you one on one No, but he there's certain things that he's like, hey I did 20 years to keep my mouth shut

01:14:32

So See andrew gone to take care of the babies. All right, so so let's talk about speaking of aaron

01:14:38

Let's talk about philosophy and empty deception Oh, sorry. Wow. Wow, that's that's nice good with this.

01:14:46

I mean when we when we talk about apologetics um, I mean this is a thing to to think about to realize that you know a lot of The apologetics that we're dealing with is

01:14:57

We're dealing with people who have been captive They're being held captive by a society that is

01:15:06

Just filled with with a their their view of philosophy with their empty deceptions with their traditions of men and That's what we we will we combat that with is the truth

01:15:23

So so I mean let's let's deal with some of this I mean guys, how do you how do each of you see when it comes to apologetics, uh, i'll start with parker because parker you're

01:15:34

I mean your podcast deals with you know, the influence of movies in our society and I think that's been one of the biggest ways uh in the last hundred years

01:15:45

That has influenced uh That has taken people captive is

01:15:51

Movies and now in our generation social media. How do you see this? this captive this captivation occurring well

01:16:00

Yeah, I guess I would say You know what we say on our podcast is that every movie is a christian movie because in order to have a narrative

01:16:07

You have to build that narrative upon a structure of truth And that truth is eternal so And despite a movie's um

01:16:19

Messaging it has to acknowledge Or borrow from our worldview um

01:16:26

The eternal truths required to even hold itself um to be coherent to tell a story and deliver a message even though the message that it's trying to deliver maybe like marxist or Maybe it's feministic or or or maybe just more broadly secular um

01:16:44

There's still fundamental truths that the movie requires the viewer to believe or else the story can't support itself

01:16:51

So on our podcast we just say we observe what hollywood steals from our worldview so That's kind of where we get this.

01:16:59

Don't watch lazy watch. Well um kind of uh saying that we say is is

01:17:05

If you don't watch well, or you're not actively engaged in what you're watching You can be swept away by the message and start to believe anything

01:17:16

And I mean the the world has really used movies to I mean

01:17:23

I so i'll go back to my childhood and I know You know as a fetus you you you don't know this movie.

01:17:31

Um But I remember watching in theaters the movie kramer versus kramer

01:17:37

And and i've just dated myself and probably most in the audience you're going I never even heard that movie

01:17:44

And that was the last time he went to the theaters Hey, I walked out halfway through mary poppins, so, you know

01:17:53

High standards. I I was bored And and and my dad was upset because he paid 50 cents

01:18:01

There was an inter intermission and my dad said are you really going to sit through the full movie? I'm like, yeah dad

01:18:07

So instead of paying 25 cents, he paid 50 cents And I was bored senseless and walked out and five dollars on popcorn

01:18:16

Yeah So but kramer versus kramer was a movie about a divorce and I remember sitting in that movie my my mother who you know

01:18:27

Was a liberal, you know fancy herself as a uh feminist she

01:18:34

She had brought all of us to see this movie And I remember sitting there and I did not know

01:18:40

At that time. I do not know anybody that was divorced I didn't have a single friend in school and I didn't know anyone who was divorced

01:18:48

And I was sitting there watching a movie and I went there. It's almost like they're trying to normalize

01:18:55

Divorce like they're trying to say it's okay to be divorced and you know, it was years later when

01:19:02

I was older that You know, I started seeing reviews about that movie and people would say like that was the movie that made it

01:19:08

Okay to be divorced and I went that was their goal Like that was their plan and so I think that we see that a lot with the movies is that They they can influence

01:19:24

Very much You know society with with their philosophy

01:19:31

You know I love I love what you're saying about thinking. Well, one of the things that My wife and I have striven.

01:19:39

Is that the word we've striven to do? Yeah strived With our kids is to have an open conversation during after sometimes before the movie where we're realizing like and this is

01:20:00

I might be repeating things that were said earlier are definitely things that you've said on your show Now is it parker?

01:20:05

Is that your first name? Correct parker? No, exactly. You brought in is real Yes real middle name parker middle name um

01:20:14

This I uh, this idea of amusement to um, use yourself Is that that no musing no thinking you're turning your brain off when you turn your brain off?

01:20:26

Stuff just just flies right into your ears and your eyes and you're being influenced by it We need to we we need to reject the idea of amusement, especially when that we're being amused by the world

01:20:39

Because they they have their failure philosophies Uh, we need to we need to be musing and so having those open conversations with our kids uh talking

01:20:50

About what do you think about what was said? What do you think about their worldview? What do you think the consequences that are going to be it's just something that we've done sometimes we spent more time talking about The movie after watching and then we did

01:21:00

Watching the movie as we watched it I think it's interesting that you say. Um, what what how'd you say it you said?

01:21:08

Um, uh Some um, oh shoot. I just lost it But anyway what you said

01:21:14

I agree with what we say on our show is we want to unhook ourselves from the iv drip of passive consumption

01:21:21

Yeah, and we want to combat the passive consumption of entertainment whether that be on social media

01:21:26

Whether that be in the movie theater or at home on a streaming service. We want to combat that so Um, even it's a really good way to start your kids off young too

01:21:34

I do it with my uh now five -year -old where we would watch something like mario and it's like oh well

01:21:41

You know try to like okay. What is right? What is wrong like every movie has to make a moral claim like kramer and kramer i've obviously

01:21:49

Never to watch i'll take over. Thanks. Civ. I appreciate it, buddy Uh, I i've never seen that movie obviously, but my question is even though they were trying to push a message um and normalize divorce

01:22:00

Was divorced looked at as a good thing in that movie or was there some type of remorse or?

01:22:07

Was there some type of? negative emotion that they they that the that the film forced them to um maintain

01:22:19

Yeah Because if there was then it's self -refuting, right? Yeah, I I think it it painted a a tragic picture of a of a how reckless

01:22:31

A divorce can be on the child for sure, but the message was to normalize it. So so we have this dichotomy, right?

01:22:37

So it's like oh this should be a normal thing But it's super sad

01:22:42

And that's incoherent sure So aaron has a guest

01:22:49

Yeah, I invited I invited my daughter ivy to come join us for two reasons one frequently she's she's sitting over there

01:22:57

Uh listening to one half of the conversation. We usually only get to see her give you a kiss goodnight at the end of the show

01:23:05

Well, I invited her in because as I was sitting there saying that obviously she didn't hear anything that you guys had sex

01:23:11

I had my earbuds in but as she heard me say that and explaining what we did Sometimes we talked more about the movie.

01:23:17

I didn't spend more time talking about it and then watching it. She said And it's so fun.

01:23:23

It's a blast I love doing it great I ended up doing with the kids

01:23:29

Maybe I should have done it more your way aaron because I would actually stop the movie Like if we're watching tv and I could stop it.

01:23:36

I would stop it and discuss it right then and my daughter was like my kids stopped enjoying the movies because They were just like dad you're ruining movies for us

01:23:48

Because you've done that And it's not bad if you do it with moderation, it's not bad

01:23:54

Sometimes I do like one time. I remember my son was watching turbo And turbo this little snail who wanted to be really really fast

01:24:02

And my son asked me dad. Is it okay for him to want to go faster? Because in his mind he's a snail who can't do this thing

01:24:10

So it was okay for him to want that we paused it probably had a good 10 I mean my son was like 6 at the time and we had like a 10 or 15 minute conversation about Godly ambition versus selfish ambition and whatever else and then we continue watching the movie

01:24:23

So that was something that we did man. That's so good. Yeah, but then um, what's one thing like So we sometimes we like to use vid angel and things like that.

01:24:31

So we don't have to worry about Yeah certain language and whatever but every now and then we're watching something that can't be filtered

01:24:38

And one this is one of the things that i've done That if somebody uses some type of language, what's the first thought that goes through your head?

01:24:46

Don't say that don't say that Because so we'll be sitting watching the movie and someone will say any kind of profanity or whatever else and my wife and I for Years now,

01:24:56

I mean she's she's gonna be 16 this fall for years now. We're always like don't say that No, we don't say that and it's become such a thing that even when my wife and I don't say anything.

01:25:08

Yeah, that's great She hears it all she hears in her head right afterward is don't say that yeah, love it.

01:25:14

Love it I'll even say it back to him. Like i'll be like don't say that That's so cool.

01:25:20

I love that. I actually might steal that from you. So we we don't have like a thing. Well parker

01:25:26

Aaron, do you do you uh homeschool? Yes You do. Yeah, so I I think that's important too, especially if you homeschool

01:25:35

There's a lot of times a lot of people would say that people Kids don't get exposed to the world and stuff like that, but through movies and theater and stuff like that.

01:25:42

You can actually Teach your children. Okay. This is what the world sees This is the world views that are going on and this is what we this is what we believe through the lens of christ amen

01:25:54

I was just finishing up, uh, the final episode of the current series i'm in called parenting your children to adulthood

01:26:00

And one of the things that we talk about a lot is the fact that there are certain things your kids need to be protected

01:26:07

From yeah, but the list of things that from which they need to be protected is far smaller than we think it is

01:26:13

And a lot of those things we shouldn't be protecting them from we should be preparing them for preparing them

01:26:19

Answer love that. Yeah learning how to think through it So like you said tom, I think it's a really huge thing.

01:26:25

Sometimes we go into a movie Or we go into a series with the idea like so so as an example

01:26:31

My wife has always loved the tv show survivor and she's always said that survivor is a really good little petri dish to see

01:26:41

Mankind at their worst their most deceptive, you know that they're manipulative all that kind of stuff

01:26:46

It's really just a case study in in in sin in many ways. Um But she and my daughter

01:26:53

Have been watching it more and more and I can't tell you how many times they've gone to an episode or gone to a season

01:27:00

With the idea. This is what we're going to learn about the world and how they think This is what we're going to learn about these different and they've had the transgender issue

01:27:09

Sometimes they have people come on you didn't know what sex they were and whatever else There have been so many of these opportunities where we in a safe environment can pause it or we can talk about it

01:27:18

And it's not just her meeting some person out in the world that she's never seen like she doesn't even

01:27:23

She can't even conceptualize the fact that a person would think this way sure let alone live this way and now she's like She doesn't know what to do

01:27:32

She's encountering that in the safe space where we're able to prepare her for how to think biblically about it and respond to it

01:27:38

Amen, that's awesome. I love that love that and and ultimately, you know, I love that you're doing that I mean i'd hope that most christians are doing that But that's kind of the culture that our podcast wants to create is that becomes a very normal thing

01:27:54

I do want to add a clarification that We say this, um, not every time but we've made it known on our podcast that if we watch a movie

01:28:03

It's not an endorsement of everything within that movie and it's also not Um, you know an encouragement for someone who may feel a certain conviction to go watch that movie

01:28:13

We wouldn't want anyone to ignore a conviction or anything like that So there's obviously biblical, uh wisdom and discernment and what we you know see with our eyes but but for the most part we try to help equip parents with ratings and When we do new movies, um, we talk about do we agree with ratings that the movies have?

01:28:35

Um, do we not agree? Why do we agree or not agree? And then ultimately what we can teach from watching this movie and watching actively watching well, so, you know, it's interesting and I don't want to go too much into it

01:28:47

But there's a there's a show or a program that I used to like to watch was called alone It was basically a great show.

01:28:53

Love it. Yeah, or they would go out and stuff like that and and I do love it and What grieves me though every time

01:29:00

I see it or you know These people who aren't christians and anytime they go fishing with their man -made tools that they made with They didn't have anything when they were dropped off the island and they catch a fish

01:29:10

And they're in this beautiful environment Thank you Universe, you know, thank you

01:29:18

For feeding me. Thank you lake Chickataw for feeding me this fish and everything. They never eat on their own, but they can't they don't want to give god credit.

01:29:26

Yes About the person that created all the lakes in the way. Absolutely And you just see romans one in that and it's like wow and it's like what a lesson, you know

01:29:37

But over a period of time it would literally grieve me to just listen to these people. It's like man

01:29:43

They just need christ paul's talking about in this in this verse, right? They're cap they don't and they don't even recognize that the idea of the captivity is you don't even recognize

01:29:52

Yeah that captivity sure. They're totally blind. Actually. I would like your opinion your guys's opinion on that So how do how do we reconcile?

01:30:00

being trapped in in that vain philosophy and then uh romans one where god puts his law on our hearts

01:30:07

And every man is without excuse every man knows without excuse. How do we how would you how would you parse you guys parse that out?

01:30:15

Yeah, well, I think I think the way I would see it is The the fact is is that people sear their conscience

01:30:23

Right I mean paul talks about that in titus That that people's just they they just go up against sin and sin and sin until it's it just becomes second nature you know, there was an interesting book that I read secular book about Um, forget the title of it, but it was basically about cheating you know, how does someone become the ceo that that embezzles money or it was in the in the wake of all the scandals of all the companies that you know, um,

01:30:49

I forget the guy who got In charged with you're basically ripping off, you know deceiving people with with his business

01:30:57

Uh, which was really funny because he he said well, all he did was copy what the clinton administration was doing but it was a clinton administration that was putting him in jail, right so the doj for clinton was prosecuting him, but uh, and so the the thing that's interesting is

01:31:13

The book was saying no one starts off saying i'm going to embezzle from my company or i'm going to cheat my my customers

01:31:20

It he's he was saying they start off by cheating on a grade to get ahead in school Cheating on the sats to get into a good university.

01:31:29

So you get good at what you practice Yeah, well, it's just it's it's that you sear your conscience so you don't think it's wrong

01:31:37

Enough areas are so deep and that's why like the movies that that's all purpose they desensitize you That's why you know,

01:31:42

I think the reason we have so much transgenderism is tiktok had the goal that china had the goal

01:31:48

Of desensitizing americans to that idea And so it's just having it over and over and over again

01:31:55

So yes, you have that guilty conscience, but the more you you just push against it push against it push against it

01:32:02

You you end up not hearing that conscience. It deadens it. Yeah tears it so that you're

01:32:10

That's when you're taken captive by the philosophy You you still have that guilty conscience, but that's also why when

01:32:17

I do open air evangelism I'll talk about the fact do any of you any of you have a problem with alcohol or drugs or working too much or name the addiction because the reason those addictions are there is because you're trying to get over the guilty conscience of your sin and and so Yeah, I think that god does put his law in our heart and we fight against it so much

01:32:40

That we become captive to the worldly philosophies aaron you were going to say something Yeah, if I understand the correct question correctly, and it's very possible that I didn't

01:32:49

I think there's probably don't laugh at me I think I think there's possibly another level here

01:32:55

Because I agree 100 with everything that andrew just said we do. Um We do cauterize our conscience and it becomes easier.

01:33:04

I I say that you know the primary Um consequences of all sin you can't escape these three it hurts your relationship your fellowship with god

01:33:13

It hurts your fellowship and relationship with other people that also hurts you by making it easier for you to continue doing that same sin

01:33:19

Again, and again That happens every single time but I do believe that romans 1 also reveals a place because we're all completely totally depraved

01:33:27

But by the grace of god, we can do nothing good and that includes his you know His specific special grace and salvation and sanctification justification sanctification

01:33:35

But also in his common grace, right? But there does reach a point where god Gives us up.

01:33:42

Yep, like pharaoh. I I think that I think that's a new a new level Okay, I think that's not just I've cauterized myself the way we all do

01:33:52

Right, but I think potentially there's a there's a line being crossed there too where god is no longer

01:33:59

And I don't want to I don't want to jump into a open a can of worm theological worms here

01:34:05

Um, i'm not saying that he was drawing us and he stopped because we pushed back against his grace

01:34:10

I don't want it to sound that way at all But just that he says, you know, you're you're i'm going to allow you to destroy yourself and your sin now to a unique level

01:34:19

That not everybody gets and so I would say that maybe there's other other line Yeah, so I guess in short it would be

01:34:26

What we want to do By our flesh is to self further self -deceive and then you've got the world

01:34:33

Giving us more of that to to further Cauterize that conscience and then god at some point just says

01:34:40

Take what you want Like you can have what you want and I would say yeah Yeah, yeah leave you to your own to exactly what you do want which is not him

01:34:51

Right. Amen. Yeah and you know kathy here says She said this earlier is

01:34:58

You know deception which we see here an empty deception means deceit fraud or to trick.

01:35:04

Yeah, you're lying to yourself Yeah, yeah, and and it's you know, it's interesting because You know that is that's the meaning of it the the idea of of deception here in in the greek

01:35:18

It's it's the idea of to not just to trick but it's to entice a deceitfulness to lead astray

01:35:27

To cause someone to wander or to mislead So it's it's the idea of treachery yeah, and and so It's the the idea there is it's it's a purposeful thing

01:35:40

And I I like how it's described here as it's it's not just a a deception of trickery

01:35:48

But it's an empty one There's nothing Are you referencing?

01:35:53

This is colossians 2 -8 Because it's interesting ivy's taking um

01:35:59

Ivy's almost a a sophomore in college. She's doing her work online right folks to understand that.

01:36:06

How old is avi ivy? I'm 15 years old And she's what grade?

01:36:14

Almost six credits away from being a sophomore in college. So folks if you want the value of homeschooling

01:36:21

Okay It's okay. It's either that or just somehow he they the kids both are really really smart

01:36:28

They must have got it from the mother. I'm just That's how it works for sure I've never met your mother, but I have met your dad.

01:36:37

Therefore. I think you must have got it from mom Was it in general psych or was it in And biblical actually, okay explain explain what that what that thing that project was you were going over Vanity of vanity is always vanity

01:36:57

Well, don't we were you were talking with your grandfather about the self -deception versus oh, yes so I was discussing with somebody about the fact that um most

01:37:11

Um, let me see if I can get it right Psychotropic drugs are only work because of the placebo effect

01:37:22

Where uh, you know just they're giving a sugar pill and they believe that it worked and I said

01:37:30

That they are lying to themselves And that person pushed back and said whoa, whoa

01:37:38

Lying is when somebody tells somebody something that they know

01:37:44

Is a falsehood is deceitful now my dad

01:37:51

Being a smart person. Wow Uh taught me that a lie isn't just something deceitful that a person says

01:38:02

To try to try to deceive something You can lie to yourself without even knowing that you're doing it

01:38:11

But you're telling yourself a falsehood and it's not exactly important that you know whether or not it's uh

01:38:20

Whether or not you're trying to deceive yourself like, you know that you're deceiving yourself Yeah, and I wanted to ask so you said the verse again was colossians.

01:38:28

What two eight two eight okay, so colossians two eight because one of the things I wanted to say in line with that idea is that this idea of That being deceived by other people

01:38:41

But also even worse than that being deceived by ourselves Are two different things

01:38:46

But they're equally to see their deception. They're equally falsehood They're equally lies, but the key thing about self -deception is the fact that we don't know we're doing it and that is where That is where I think we probably oftentimes get into the most trouble

01:39:01

Especially even with this verse too says see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, right?

01:39:07

Do all of those people are all of those people deliberately trying to deceive us or have they themselves lie to themselves

01:39:15

They honestly believe what they're saying is true And they're passing it on to you with all of the conviction

01:39:21

And all of the honesty I can say of believing that it's true and yet it's still deception

01:39:27

It's still it's it's them believing a lie now It's them passing that lie unto you and I think that's a big part of it and I think it's important to recognize that because That happens a lot and as long as a person isn't deliberately trying to deceive us

01:39:39

We kind of like brush it off like it's not that big of a deal or we take it more seriously because we inherently trust them, but then we also sometimes give ourselves a pass too much because um

01:39:50

Well, you know, we're not deliberately doing it. Does that make sense? Can I ask a clarifying question real quick?

01:39:56

So I guess it sounds like what you're saying is that Deception is not bad

01:40:06

Um Based off, uh, what how do I want to say that deception is not bad

01:40:13

Um solely based off of malicious intent It's bad because it's deception. It's it's inherently it's it's false.

01:40:21

Yeah, because so for example, um A hypochondriac

01:40:26

Can believe they have cancer? With all of their heart And not have cancer.

01:40:33

They're they're telling their closest friends. I think i've got cancer and all this and it's a silly example

01:40:38

But they're not trying to lie to their friends. They have just believed a lie themselves

01:40:43

So I think you're you're the observation is accurate the idea that a falsehood is being stated is just as dangerous

01:40:51

In fact, I would say it's more dangerous When we have been convinced of the falsehood

01:40:56

Than when we're trying to convince somebody of something that we know is not true When we're trying to lie and deceive about something that we know is not true

01:41:04

Um that takes a greater level of of skill in lying and deception than it does when we're convinced of the lie in the first Place, so I think that's just something to watch out for So I I think it's important too when we continue on in that verse it says

01:41:20

Empty deception. Yes According to the traditions of men according to the elementary principles of the world and everything.

01:41:28

So what what is that? That's number one. We're talking about Traditions of men and elementary principles of the world people who are enslaved to their sin

01:41:37

People who are without christ and then it goes on to say Rather than according to christ

01:41:42

So first corinthians 2 14 says the natural man receives not the things of the spirit because why he's spiritually discerned

01:41:49

They are foolish. It's all foolishness unto him. So all of these things so the whole self -deception and the emptiness

01:41:55

Why does it come up empty because we have a false? Identity we have a false thinking that men are so elevated that we can just oh

01:42:04

Let's just go into some self -help and that way I could have a relationship with this god

01:42:09

We have a misunderstanding of who god is and a misunderstanding of who we are compared to him

01:42:16

So that's the problem and we need to have a right understanding of how holy he is What it requires of people to be able to have a relationship with him

01:42:25

And that's that's holiness. That's perfection And we can't be perfect. So we need a substitute.

01:42:32

We need christ's righteousness being put on account We need to be saved from our sin. We need to be washed clean

01:42:38

And so if we have a high and mighty thought and lofty view of ourselves And then we don't understand our condition

01:42:46

Yeah, because one of the things is is that when you look at the passage, right? You have the human tradition and this the elements of the world the idea the elements in in the original greek

01:42:55

The way it was used before the new testament was you're referring to you know, the the elements of the universe, right?

01:43:02

air water fire missing one Earth so those are the four elements

01:43:10

Planet yeah that was the idea it's it's like the universe and things that but but With the new testament it brought in a different idea

01:43:19

So the human traditions and the elements here are both under this idea this this heading of philosophy

01:43:27

And and it describes that This human tradition and these elements of the world under the philosophy seek to prey on people

01:43:37

And this is a philosophy that as you said it's it's it's long been defeated by christ

01:43:44

But it is something that enslaves people Into a world system that tries to pull them away from christ.

01:43:52

Yeah and so This is Yeah, yeah, yeah galatians 4 3 tells us that we were we were enslaved like you just said and then colossians 220 says

01:44:04

You have died with christ To the elementary principles of the world the only way to break free from this deception

01:44:11

The only way to not be enslaved by it anymore is you have to die with christ

01:44:17

To those things. Otherwise, you can't you're enslaved to it and whether you're deliberately deceiving people or not more often than case not

01:44:27

You are fully invested you believe with it all of your heart because god created us to To believe he created us to worship he created us to have faith in something

01:44:38

And so you believe these elementary principles with all of your heart you're willing to die for them.

01:44:43

You're willing to do insane Uh crazy things and I think as a biblical counselor I believe we need christians need to take back the word insane because when you study through scripture about what sin is

01:44:53

Sin is the very definition of insanity It is a mindless.

01:45:00

It is a senseless It's a soulless thing that we do to our own detriment and yet we pursue it we return to our vomit

01:45:07

It is an insane thing. That's what sin is And so people who have not died with christ, they are enslaved they are in delusion

01:45:16

We they are literally insane the incapable of understanding of discerning the scriptures

01:45:22

And that is why the the truth of the gospel of the light and the salt of the gospel So and the work of the holy spirit is absolutely necessary to break that bondage

01:45:31

Yeah, i'm glad you brought up galatians 4 3 because I like the new american standard makes it a little bit stronger in the reading it says

01:45:40

So also we while we were children were held in bondage.

01:45:46

Yes The elementary things of the world. It's a it's a slaver. So that so we're we're

01:45:53

Colossians 2 8 is saying it held a takes us captive What we end up seeing in galatians 4 3 it's holding us in slavery

01:46:04

Yeah, uh romans 6 16 says do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves of obedience

01:46:11

You are a slave of the one whom you obey Either of sin resulting in death or of obedience resulting in righteousness

01:46:20

So you either a slave of christ or you are a slave to your sin Yeah And and this is

01:46:30

I think you know for a lot of folks um so how this applies to apologetics is

01:46:38

We have to recognize when we're out there defending the christian faith Or in the case of you know, we we have the the watch well podcast represented when you're watching a movie

01:46:50

Right you have to recognize that You you're sharing the gospel.

01:46:55

You're defending the faith You're dealing with someone who is taken captive by the empty deception and the traditions of men

01:47:03

Right, right. They're they're they're captive to a philosophy and an empty deception

01:47:09

That is holding them in bondage And and when you what you know If you're going to watch movies or watch social media, you have to recognize the people that are creating this stuff

01:47:20

They're doing it while being enslaved to this philosophy and empty deception

01:47:26

And and this is why Right. It's the idea that sin loves company, right?

01:47:33

This is the whole idea They're enslaved to sin and they don't want to be there by themselves

01:47:38

They they they could feel better about their sin if they get more people agreeing with them This is why when you look at the transgenderism you you see the people who

01:47:49

They want every they want acceptance by everybody. I don't know if you guys saw Uh, I forget where it was.

01:47:55

It might have been minnesota. I put it on my ex. There's a video I put on x um of of a bunch of Uh trans people and i'm looking it up.

01:48:04

Okay. It was in uh, In uh, massachusetts you know all these trans people that are at a you know demanding they be heard and Because they you know, trump is so dangerous and you know

01:48:16

We got to be careful of trump and it it I mean it's hard not to laugh when you see someone with purple hair

01:48:22

And and you know big makeup all over her face or his face I should say, you know, like, you know dressed all the and he's like I was afraid

01:48:31

I had to hide coming here That I was in drag um You weren't hiding it when you got a purple hair

01:48:39

You're you're not hiding. You're saying hello. Look at me. I want attention Okay, and it's funny because they're all going.

01:48:46

I don't want to be here. I don't want to have to be here But here's my socials Yeah victim victim.

01:48:53

I was gonna say the same thing There's nothing about that movement that is trying to be discreet

01:48:59

Correct correct because the one person's like the one person's like look at me. I demand you look at me

01:49:04

It's like yeah, that's the problem. We don't want to look at you like You know, but but see they find they want the acceptance of others and if you don't accept them

01:49:15

It because for them they are trapped and this is the thing We have to recognize when we're defending the faith to these people

01:49:24

They are enslaved to a sinful secular philosophy and an empty deception, right and even the the the morally upright grandma that doesn't have christ is also enslaved in that same way

01:49:44

No, two traditions of men percent. Yes. Yeah Now we're talking about apologetics and I think it's important I think we're talking about apologetics and I think it's important to notice that there are some people who are going to listen to what

01:49:55

Andrew just said and they're going to see see that's why we don't need apologetics because people are

01:50:03

They are blind And no amount of of man arguing a point

01:50:09

Is inherently going to convince them is going to give them sight Is going to convince them of things that they literally need the holy spirit to be able to understand, right?

01:50:19

And so there are people who will who will notice that truth from the scriptures who will understand that and say well therefore What's the point of apologetics?

01:50:26

And I think so if somebody's listening to this and they're going they're like, well, wait a second That's that's actually a reason why we don't do apologetics.

01:50:32

I think you're missing something really key because remember God uses The speaking of his word.

01:50:39

Yes, he uses Theologic, okay That's a that's a real word on purpose

01:50:44

Okay, I don't even like talking about logic anymore because christians we need to be arguing theologically We need that's what we need to be using.

01:50:51

Yeah, he uses that that does not return void As a part of the process of opening up somebody's eyes

01:50:57

So that is not an argument for why we shouldn't do apologetics That is literally an argument for why we need to because they are so enslaved

01:51:05

Incapable of coming out of it on their own of opening up their own eyes That they need the truth of god's word shown into their hearts so that they can expose the sin

01:51:15

That's there and do the the work, uh of uh of redemption and the other word.

01:51:20

I the other our word I could remember. Um, the giving us new life, um Regenerate generation.

01:51:26

Yeah, they were dead the process of regeneration is an important word for Kind of is important.

01:51:32

You're right. I should have remembered It doesn't come by the waters of baptism either guys just in case anybody's out there thinking that It's Hard to speak truth to yourself when you are believing a lie

01:51:48

I say it's impossible. It's it's impossible to speak truth to yourself when you are believing a lie and you need apologetic people

01:51:58

To tell you that truth in love in love so that you can see that you are lying to yourself because Yes, a person lying to another person is very very bad

01:52:11

But when that person is self -deceiving It's I would argue that it might be harder to get out of that Then it'd be harder to say.

01:52:22

Oh, I was lying to myself than saying oh They lied to me to be convinced that they were lying to you is way easier than to be convinced that you're lying to yourself

01:52:33

Right. Yeah, and because you know, one of the things of pride Pride deceives us like pride always tells us we're right and so when someone is

01:52:43

Enslaved by their pride they can't see that they're wrong Sure It's always everyone else is wrong

01:52:49

And this is why like if you ever come upon a person who's who they they never take responsibility for their their actions

01:52:55

It's always someone else's fault They're probably their fault and they just can't see it, right?

01:53:01

You know, i'm glad i'm glad that ivy brought that up that you need other people because god has actually given us

01:53:09

The institution of the church, that's right that we are to belong to so that We're doing life with those people.

01:53:17

They're coming around us We have faithful pastors and leaders who are to be teaching us and growing us in these things and discipling us

01:53:24

But those around us are to be able to and we should accept it Call those things out in us those deceptions

01:53:32

When we fall into them Hmm So for those that are and for those that aren't saved we're commissioned to go to them and do exactly that as well

01:53:41

That's it because I I think there's a difference in in somebody who Well, you guys would agree with this too.

01:53:47

That is not saved. They they are enslaved to their sin They are fully deceived. They their eyes are fully they aren't incapable of coming unless the holy spirit regenerates that person

01:53:57

Versus a person who is a christian who is not a slave of sin Um, but still can be deceived in their own in in their remaining sin

01:54:06

So so because we do have power over sin now as a believer you know, we should be able to receive construction constructive, uh criticism and And and be able to to recognize our sin

01:54:19

Where the unbeliever is incapable of seeing that unless the holy spirit has made them alive yeah, and And and how hateful is it and I know we've all heard this before but how hateful is it to have the map and not

01:54:32

Share it. Yeah. Yeah So the and there you go, and I was gonna go there Ephesians 2 10 for we are his workmanship created in christ jesus for good works

01:54:42

Which god has prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them And so when we have to remember too that when we're out in the culture

01:54:50

We need to engage the culture with the gospel because there was a point in time When I was blinded when

01:54:56

I was lost and it was through the gospel It was through the preaching of the gospel through an evangelist

01:55:01

Through a sermon through god's word as aaron said That that converted me, you know, that's the power of god into salvation.

01:55:09

We need to do his work well, and I know it's it's you know, we got to wrap up and so Let me let me just say this, you know

01:55:18

This is something that we have to realize as apologists Or if for watch well when you're when you're you're dealing with culture

01:55:27

Right. We have to recognize this now. So next week what we're going to cover, uh next week we're going to talk about We we've talked about this week.

01:55:36

We're we we're focused in colossians 2 8 looking at The way that the world makes people enslaved and captivates them next week

01:55:44

What we want to do is talk about false converts. We're going to focus on matthew 7 21 to 23

01:55:50

Again, we'll do open q a but we didn't have many questions tonight We and we didn't get many questions last week

01:55:57

So what tom and I decided to do is we want to walk through some scripture, by the way I should give a shout out earlier.

01:56:03

The twitchy theologian was saying i'm listening while doing my greek Homework appreciate you guys

01:56:09

I was just on the twitchy Theologian podcast had a enjoyed enjoyable time with him

01:56:15

So be checking that channel out and and see that podcast as that drops um, and so The week after that aaron's gonna have to repair himself um, and the reason

01:56:28

I jokingly say that is For folks that might remember we had uh, doreen virtue on and and everybody was like Everyone was like, okay, you know

01:56:39

Because those who watch theology throw down we did one where we discussed yoga and and everyone was against aaron on his views with yoga and so when when

01:56:49

When he came in with doreen virtue, everyone was going. Oh, where's aaron? He should be here for for during so aaron came in and and they had a

01:56:58

I think it was a good Discussion though. They disagreed with one another strongly, but I I would say go look at how they disagreed very respectful to one another um, well, we're gonna have in I was talking to doreen and I mentioned the fact because i'm as some of you know, obviously the

01:57:17

We talked earlier about the cold plunging I do i've really gotten into a lot of health things and part of my morning routine is not just cold plunging

01:57:24

But it's it's also getting sunlight When I can i'm I wish I lived in florida where I could do it easier

01:57:31

But but I try to try to get some sunlight and try to do some breathing exercises and I doreen and I were talking because some of the breathing is

01:57:41

You know has eastern philosophy in it. And so She started to mention to me a friend of hers uh, marcia

01:57:50

Montague martin and grago. I forget how to pronounce her last name. Marcia montenegro You'll have to help me next two weeks when she's on Uh, it turns out actually that somewhere along the line she and I because I actually had her email

01:58:05

I had an old email for her And when I went to put her new email in I went. Oh, I already have you

01:58:10

So we were talking we're going to talk on the 27th about things like breath work chi all of those things, um exciting

01:58:22

Yeah, so we so it might be fun, you know, aaron aaron may you know get in the hot seat again I've already prepped her.

01:58:28

I told her, you know about the conversation with d and and and aaron so she's ready for you at aaron That could be fun.

01:58:35

Uh, so those are the the next two weeks of shows uh, there there is some

01:58:41

Possibility we are working on a possible formal debate Um, and so and if folks want to have certain debates and you know two people willing to debate a topic

01:58:50

Uh be happy to do that, but there there is the possibility Um of a debate with myself and a rabbi

01:59:00

And so on whether jesus is miss would could possibly be the messiah We will see if that comes to fruition because well folks

01:59:09

Drew, what's our record with people that challenge me to a debate and actually show up? Oh I've lost count at this point

01:59:17

I mean, how many? Maybe maybe maybe two three Yeah, I mean they

01:59:26

Golly I mean we had the ben uh ben zion

01:59:31

Yes showed up. Well, okay. So here's the thing This is somebody who either knows him or follows him.

01:59:39

It's because ben zion was on That this guy reached out to me

01:59:44

And he thinks he can make a better argument than rabbi ben zion did interesting

01:59:51

It's very interesting, but he hasn't committed to a date yet Yeah people don't typically

02:00:00

Show up when they say they're going to I mean we had the the hebrew israelite guy that showed up Um, we had the guy from last week that aaron was talking with me.

02:00:09

What is it? Am I really that scary? I mean guys really come on Yes I mean,

02:00:21

I think you guys are cool Real that's that's because real the little fetus has never debated me

02:00:32

I I mean, I agree with everything you believe. Yeah I I guess

02:00:38

I guess which is not true. It's just Yeah, if you want to see an easy thing to say

02:00:44

If you want to see a classic one of my debates go look at the one with r .a Fuentes and myself on debating calvinism where where round round, uh one of the cross examination,

02:00:55

I I convinced I convinced the audience that He was a calvinist as he's arguing against calvinism and everyone saw it but him

02:01:02

And so yeah, that was that was quite an interesting An interesting debate. I really do hope that this guy shows up because that sounds like a fantastic debate

02:01:11

I think it would be but I I fear that he won't show because he's yet to I mean

02:01:17

It's been two weeks and he's yet to be willing to commit to a date so Uh, we always had the coc guy pastor.

02:01:25

Um Yeah Yeah, the church price guy that was years ago norm that was that was around the same time as the r .a

02:01:33

fuentes Correctly. Yeah. Yeah That was uh, uh

02:01:40

John uh I'm trying to remember his channel. Mm -hmm Atomic apologetics.

02:01:46

Um, he was one that set that up. Oh, there he is. There he goes preacher nor he he's he's watching Meet him in the comments and here he is posting

02:01:55

Andrew is always here. My daughter's here seeing the comments and i'm telling her there are two different shows going on Yes, there's the show that you can see in here when you watch the video listen to the podcast and there's a completely different show

02:02:09

Like she's sitting here looking at the comments just losing it Yeah, so if you're not If you're not watching live you are missing out on all the fun

02:02:19

Yeah, that's true. What are you gonna say ivy? Well, it's great though because it's like you're a little scared not scary

02:02:26

It's not that bad the emotions Yeah So, okay.

02:02:37

Here's a question that's come in last minute sarah tara saying andrew. Have you been affected by the persecution towards israel?

02:02:44

uh, i'm not sure what you you mean, I mean Uh for folks who may not know be maybe new to the channel.

02:02:50

Yes. I I am from a jewish background I I am a levites more specifically korhine So we would be the family that would be taking care of temple elements

02:02:58

Um, I was bar mitzvahed um, you know, so There was a lot uh after october 7th,

02:03:08

I think I you know, I wouldn't call it persecution that I suffered but Because it really wasn't it was just a whole bunch of people saying some pretty nasty things about me

02:03:17

And then unfriending me or blocking me or I blocked them Uh, so it really didn't bother me much.

02:03:23

But yeah, I was you know, I I was called the son of the devil um because i'm jewish

02:03:30

I was told i'm Not really a christian um Because i'm jewish, uh more recently haps told me that uh,

02:03:40

I guess joe webbin said that I don't exist Um because i'm jewish because all the ethnic jews

02:03:46

I guess disappeared in 70 a .d. I don't get that one at all But but you're the cause of everything going wrong, too

02:03:53

Just yes, that's true. But jewish people are the cause of everything that goes wrong, which we didn't self -refuting ideas earlier

02:04:01

Well, that was the thing that brand brayden from open air theology when I was on there was like well How are the jews getting controlling everything if they disappeared?

02:04:08

And and so I jokingly came up with you know, look jewish people are are trained to debate where to sharpen our skills

02:04:14

And so I quickly came up with a conclusion Uh, it's called a time machine see us jewish people we have a time machine and we just know to go into the

02:04:22

We go all the way in the future to know how to go into the past so we can control all the money That's why we all vanished in 70 a .d.

02:04:28

Because that's when the time machine was developed Is that really what the yarmulke is you just turn it and then?

02:04:35

There we go, that's what it is that puts a whole new spin on back to the future The yarmulke protects you from the capacitor.

02:04:43

How do you get a flux capacitor in there? It was a sports almanac

02:04:50

Typically minded cory wing says wait andrew you do exist. That's right.

02:04:56

Andrew knew that the eagles were gonna win No, guys guys The secret right here right now

02:05:02

Drew let me in on this a while ago Andrew is ai Yeah He doesn't really exist.

02:05:09

He's just an algorithm. He's a Yeah Yeah, well that Well, that's what that's what was uh haps theory was that i'm just ai yeah

02:05:19

And we are all just figments of your imagination. So is andrew's nickname officially grok now

02:05:25

Yeah, well Considering we didn't call him grok Considering the fact that i've been writing ai for Probably 35 years i've been working in artificial intelligence.

02:05:37

You just call him gpt That's what ai does andrew writes its own code now

02:05:43

Yeah, you're only proving the point derailed All right.

02:05:48

Well, we're gonna go to bed Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, it's about we got to sign off uh, but before we do

02:05:55

I think it would be appropriate to end the way we always see it and Eiv, why didn't you give dad a kiss goodnight?

02:06:02

You know, I mean you always sneak onto the camera to give a kiss goodnight, there we go So so and and similarly in mind it says the yamaka is both a time machine and a faraday cage

02:06:14

The secret is now out. I can't believe it uh You know what since since john's in the audience he says but do babies exist.

02:06:25

I still I I uh, so i've heard Uh, I will I will close by playing an oldie

02:06:31

This is back when matt and I were starting this show and we had an atheist that came in And matt was trying to convince this guy of basic things and and this is how that conversation had gone

02:06:44

Just you said statements either true or false. I gave you a statement and you said it doesn't apply It's not too bad.

02:06:50

It's not only true that statements would be either true or false So is it true that i'm talking to you?

02:06:56

Is it true? That is true statement. I'm talking to you. Is that true? Yes Okay, is it true that babies exist?

02:07:03

um Well, I mean how babies exist Babies exist Babies exist.

02:07:10

Is that true or is it not the case that is true? Uh, I mean if you want to go down the you know, if you want to be very strict about it

02:07:16

I would be skeptical about okay. We're done talking What's the back what's the backstory there

02:07:23

I know I know we got to sign off. So i'm sorry I was just no the backstory is the guy matt was trying to teach him that there's there's absolutes

02:07:30

And and the guy wouldn't even admit he admitted that they're having a conversation but he could not admit That they were that babies exist.

02:07:38

Matt was just asking a basic thing. Do babies exist? That's wild The guy couldn't admit well depends on you know

02:07:45

How skeptical we want to be because he didn't want to give in on the fact that there is an absolute because if there's absolutes

02:07:51

There's god. Yep. He knew that so he all of a sudden was going to deny that babies exist and matt's like Okay, we're done here